The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Sugar Be Sugarin’: Your No-BS Guide to Taking Back Your Health by Erin M. Reardon MD

Episode Date: March 24, 2026

Sugar Be Sugarin’: Your No-BS Guide to Taking Back Your Health by Erin M. Reardon MD https://www.amazon.com/Sugar-Be-Sugarin-Taking-Health/dp/B0GGN61V3F Fixednation.org Why You’re Tired, Stuck, and Struggling With Your Health (and What to Do About It) You’re not lazy. You’re not broken. And you’re definitely not just getting older. What if the real problem isn’t willpower, calories, or time in the gym, but a metabolism that has quietly been pushed off track by sugar and modern food? As an ER physician, Dr. Erin Reardon has treated the end stage of metabolic disease for decades. Diabetes. Heart disease. Fatty liver. Obesity. Hormonal dysfunction. Chronic fatigue. By the time people arrive in the emergency room, the damage is already done. This book is about how to prevent all of it! Metabolic disease does not begin with a diagnosis. It begins with symptoms we are taught to ignore. Low energy. Brain fog. Weight gain. Cravings. Poor sleep. Blood sugar that creeps higher year after year. In Sugar Be Sugaring, Dr. Erin explains how sugar disrupts metabolism, drives insulin resistance, and keeps people trapped in cycles of hunger, fatigue, and frustration. Not through trends or blame. Through biology. This is not a short term diet book. This is about how to live a long, healthy life with less suffering! You will not be asked to count calories, track macros, or punish your body. Instead, you will learn: Why sugar behaves like an addictive substance How metabolic dysfunction develops before disease How food labels are designed to mislead you Why exercise alone cannot fix a broken metabolism A simple, science-based way to quiet cravings and stabilize blood sugar Dr. Erin’s Jumpstart Method has helped thousands of people lose weight, regain energy, and improve metabolic health without extremes. If you are tired of doing everything right and still feeling stuck, this book will change how you understand your body and your health. The fix is not more discipline. The fix begins with the food.

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She is the author of the latest book to come out called Sugar Be Sugar and Your No BS Guide to Take taking back your health by Dr. Aaron M. Reardon. We're going to get that with her and find out all of her details. Her book came out January 26, 26, my birthday. Most people don't know I was born this year. It's kind of one of those things when you're a vampire. So anyway, and also her book has a forward from it from Dr. Jason Fung, a friend of the show. He's been on several times and always recommend his work as well.

So we're going to end to the deeds on that, as the kids say. She is a board certified, emergency physician, breast cancer, survivor and founder of Emergency Health Fix. Over 25 years in emergency medicine, she witnessed firsthand how often doctors are simply too late to prevent the chronic diseases they treat. For years, patients asked her to fix them at a stage when she knew prevention would have been far easier to repair. What she didn't expect was to face that lesson herself.

She assumed she was just overweight, exhausted, stressed, and getting older. She didn't realize she'd become the exact metabolic combination that leads to the the disease and that a serious diagnosis was developing underneath it. As a physician, she felt she should have recognized it sooner. That realization changed everything. Determined to get ahead of her disease instead of reacting to it, she shifted her focus to teaching metabolic health, strategic nutrition, and intelligent fasting. She's author of a forementioned book, supported by leading voices in metabolical medicine,

and she now leads interactive app-based health challenge programs across the U.S., helping high achieving individuals, take control of their health, reversing disease, and preventing it before crisis strikes. Welcome to the show. How are you, Doc? Wow, that was a lot. I'm great. There you go. You've been up to a few things there on your bio. So you've been doing it. Yeah, I'm doing great. Thanks for having me. There you go. There you go. Give us dot com's websites. Where do you want people to get to know you better on the interwebs? Probably the easiest way to find me is really on Google. You can go straight to Google, look for me at Fixed Nation, F-I-X-E-F-E-Fixation with Dr. Aaron, and that'll bring you to my website. My website is Fixnation.org.

It'll bring you to my YouTube channel, which is where you can feel and see how I teach right there on YouTube and, you know, connection everywhere else that I am. I'm everywhere. I'm on Facebook. People can reach me just about anywhere. There you go. So give us a 30,000 overview. What's inside your book?

My book is a side-by-s-s-s- side. It's my life story, how I went from being an ER doctor to the doctor that I am today. And it's also a map, a map for how to make yourself healthier. So it's a no BS guide, an easy way to get healthy fast. And yes, the title, the title tells you where it's at. To get healthy is the fastest is to cut the sugar, to learn all about sugar and how to reduce it in your life to get well fast. And I know, so like we mentioned, Jason Fong, Dr. Jason Fong, Fung, wrote the forward on this. And I think you've done some work with them. Is that correct? Yeah. Yeah. Jason is my buddy ever since, ever since my own diagnosis. So we go back and when I, when I wrote this book and

in my new life, I'm much like Jason. And so, you know, when he agreed to to write the forward for this book, I was like, oh my God, that, that is incredible. I can't believe that. And he was like, what do you mean? We're like, we're rowing the same boat. We are, we are in the same family. We do this thing together. We make people healthy. And Jason is, he's really the same type of doc is me. There's, you know, a slew of us across the world. And in my ear, I think that we're all, you know, everybody knows this stuff. But then when I start talking to people on the streets, I realize actually, no, we're just, you know, we're talking to each other and nobody actually knows all this stuff. So the docs that I hang out with are the docs who realize that traditional

medicine isn't really bringing the promise home of making people healthy, which is the reason we all went to medical school. You ask a doctor, why did they go to medical school? And every one of us went to school to make people healthy. But then quickly we learn, you know, we learn about symptoms, we learn how to make a diagnosis, we learn how to recognize illness, we learn how to treat it. And we're well into our career before we realize, we aren't, we aren't really making anyone healthy. We see the same people coming back over and over and over again with chronic diseases. and in the ER where I was, when I started young, it was exciting there. And it was mostly people like on television who were coming in, nearly dying.

And, you know, either we're going to save them or we're not. And we become the hero sometimes. And the other times we get used to talking to people about death and we're pretty good at that. Wow. But over time, in my, for 25 years in the ER, life outside the ER completely changed. You know, people wanted everything fast. And they can read on Google. If they have belly pain, they go on to Google and they already know what are the top five things that they're worried about.

So they don't want to make an appointment with their doctor and two weeks later be seen and two weeks after that get the CAT scan. Oh, yeah. Now everyone is in the ER. Anytime I put something into, do I have this on med.com or whatever it is, it just basically always comes back and says, you're already dead. Tells you're going to die. He died five days ago or something. And now is part of this a memoir of your journey of coming down with cancer and, you know, and how you dealt with it.

Yeah. So, I mean, what was going on in the ER with me was that over time, I was realizing, man, we are not really saving any lives. And more and more, the ER these days isn't crowded with people that are dying today. They're crowded with people that have chronic conditions that are chronically killing them. And so it just became a sad kind of landscape because more and more everything was ending up in the ER. And because of that, the hospital system, the insurance systems, they don't want to help anyone. They don't want to pay for all that stuff.

and more and more I have it all falling in my lap and I'm not able to fix it. And like you said at the beginning, in my intro, everyone would ask me like, Doc, can you fix me? And that's the reason why it's in the title of my company is called Emergency Health Fix. Because at first when people would ask me that, I'd be like, oh, that's cute. You know, I could put you back on your feet and but you're going to go back to your doctor and let your doctor fix you. But then when everybody ended up in the ER with me being their primary doctor, I realized we're not really. fixing anyone. So it got really frustrating. And luckily for me, I had a friend, my best friend moved into my neighborhood and she's an ER nurse. So she knew the whole frustration. She was like,

you know what? Let's just forget about that. Let's just get you and I healthy. Let's just focus on you and me. Let's us feel great. And she's, you're a doctor. Bippity boppity boobboo. Just do your thing and make us both healthy. Give us a six back by summer. And I was like, six back by summer. Okay. That's great. But I don't know. I don't know how to do that. I saw when we learn as a doctor. Oh. And it wasn't until I had a friend talking to me in my yard and saying that to me that I realized,

20 years into my career, I realized I don't know how to make people healthy. That's not what I learned in medical school. Yeah. I mean, it sounds like the picture it draws for me of what you guys are doing in ER trying to just patch people together that come in is, you know, you're trying to, what's that old,

is there an old parable about the Dutch? boy who's always trying to stop all the holes in a dam that's leaking, but he doesn't have enough fingers and stuff to block it. And, you know, you're just constantly trying to stop the bleeding, as it were. You know, I know, one of the things I've always thought was really interesting and sad was people I knew, even people I knew, they would go in and get that stomach shrinkage surgery and so they could lose weight. And then they would put all the weight, they'd lose some weight for a short while.

And they put it all back on then some. And you're like, but you did the surgery. Yeah. And, you know, they, I mean, you guys patch people up in ER, but they just go back right back to eating Big Macs and snorting lines of, snorting lines of high fructose corn syrup off of the Coke bottle there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, okay.

So my friend and I, we went on this path of, you know, the whole path that everyone does, the exercise more, they eat less. And we kept exercising more and exercising more and eating less and eating less, nothing happening. So eventually, I just got fed up with it and was like, you know, the whole path that. like, you know what? I'm a smart person. I am an ER doctor. I'm a smart person. I ought to be able to figure this out. There are people, you look around. There are clearly people who have figured it out. So I just started reading the science, science of wellness, the science of prevention. And when I turned it on us, we quickly got really, really well, really, really fast. We dropped a ton of weight. Both of us dropped like six pounds. Yes, I do. We both dropped a ton of weight.

But more than that, we really discovered our own energy. We started turning our fat into energy. And all of a sudden, we couldn't stop. Just we were overjoyed. It was like somebody pulled the wool off from over our eyes, you know. Like we came out of the fog. I call it like coming out of the carb coma. Because you don't even realize how many things are holding you under until they lift.

So once we did that, it was so evident so quickly to all of our friends around us. that we had friends like left and right asking us, can we help them? Can we help them? And that's what I mean, to tell somebody I'm going to make you look better and feel better is the thing that drags people into me still. Yeah. Because, you know, I can tell you, I can make your blood pressure better. I can make your cholesterol better. Who cares about that? Nobody's interested, right? It's not, it's not exciting. It's not sexy. Nobody cares. But the moment you start feeling like you can't look

better, you don't like how you look in the mirror, that's something you want to fix. I don't know. I'm 58 and starting to have issues. And so I'm at the age where if you do tell me that you can make my blood pressure better on my, what was the other thing? You said? I'm a blood sugar better or something. I am kind of turned on. Chlesterol. Obesity. It's your blood sugar. It's your blood pressure. That does kind of turn me on those topics because I'm old. I can go on any time. And we started feeling like 10 and 20 years younger. We would look at our pictures and be like, what the heck? Why do we look so much younger? It's amazing. In fact, that's why we have ER doctors like yourself on at least once a week, just in case something goes wrong during a show. All right, wait, I'm going to tell you, though. So I'm bringing it back full circle to the ER. So we started looking and feeling great. Within a few months' time, we had 20, 30, 40 friends and family from across the country

who wanted to do this. And we were just texting them. Like, this is what we're doing. This is how we're literally how we're eating. I was showing pictures of my meals and people were copying my meals. And they were getting the same results. So it was amazing. But what was more amazing to Sharon and I, being that we were working in the ER, is that more than weight loss, we started to have our friends and family calling us and be like, hey, I don't need that medicine anymore.

Hey, I canceled that surgery. Hey, do you know my blood pressure is now normal? I don't need my diabetic meds anymore. My doctor's telling me I don't need this. I don't need that. It took, you know, just making all of our friends looking and feeling better and then having them all echo back to us what was happening. We realized we did actually have the fix. We did actually figure out how to prevent all the disease that we were seeing in the ER.

And as soon as we did that, we would go into our jobs now with a new energy. When people say, can you fix me, I'd be like, you know what? Yes, I can. Yes, I can. I just, I need to come home with you. I need to see what you're doing. I need to correct what you're doing at home. So it got really exciting.

And it got super exciting. And we started envisioning this as, wow, this is maybe like a business. This is crazy. How many people we were making better fast. So right as that was happening, and I had just lost my 50 pounds, which a lot of that came out of my chest, I realized I had a lump. Really? So all that excitement came to this screeching halt. Because in that moment, I had like complete fear.

Oh, my God. Now I have hundreds of people following me down this road and did my road lead to cancer. Wow. Yeah. So thank goodness. Thank goodness I have my degree. I'm an MD. So that got in the back door with a lot of conversations.

So immediately I was, you know, contacting every person I could contact. Jason Fung had just released the cancer code. So I was in his DMs. Like Jason, I need to talk to you right now. And I was talking to all the metabolic experts from around the world, all the cancer docs from around the world. And the coolest thing about that. that is every one of them that I talked to, I was like, listen, I got these people following me. I know that you guys are all suggesting the same things.

Is everybody dying of cancer left and right? What's going on? And they're like, hey, hey, hey, hey, you know, what's happening with you is horrible. But listen, you already know how to fix it. Like, you're already on the right past. You're doing it. And you're helping everybody. Just keep doing it.

So I was about the healthiest cancer person that ever was. Really? Yeah, really. I mean, my oncologists were like, this is amazing. What are you doing? And I kept telling him, I, you know, I take care of my metabolic health. I know how to, I know how to stay energized. I know how to stay well through this diagnosis.

That was a horrible time for me. But, and in the beginning, I couldn't really see it. You know, all the docs that I talked to, Jason Fung, when I talked to him, and he was like, you are going to be so much more popular when you come through the other side of this. Oh, yeah. Understand these. People don't want to hear what to do from somebody that's never been sick. That's never been overweight.

they want to hear from you. How did you do it? How did you do it through it? You never buy it a restaurant with skinny waiters. I know. And I really, I did not, at the time, I was, you know, it was really hard for me. But the people who were following me then still follow me. And we've all come through it.

And we're all doing great. And we were going on to save a ton of lives. And he was right. They were all right that it did actually launch us into a new space where I understood medicine on a whole new level, right? I understood what it was like to be on the other end of a really bad diagnosis. And come out of it. You're thinking you're going to die and nothing's going to make you better.

And coming out of it using the tools that you had developed. Yeah. It's amazing. It's amazing because now on my teams, I really combine the people who are really well that want to stay well, people that want to prevent things and people who are really sick that need friends and need support for getting through. And I can give them the. confidence that we can get you through. So working together like that is really powerful and it's

really fun. Yeah, powerful and fun, the way we like things. Now, the book is, you know, got sugar in the title. You know, you've told us where you pointed to where the doll hurt, on the doll where it hurt, the sugar hurts you. What is, what is this, what is sugar about and why is it, is it, is it bad or is it good? What are we trying to say here, I guess. Yeah. So sugar is bad in every way. Ah, you write this down. Sugar, sugar is poison. Sugar is addictive. And, you know, the book goes into a lot of the history of sugar.

And maybe a lot of the history that people don't understand. I mean, there were hundreds of years ago, we fought wars over sugar. There was a lot going on because sugar is an addictive substance and people value it highly. And there's a really simple experiment that I love. There was an experiment with mice. The mice were addicted to. cocaine. So they were already cocaine addicted mice. And they took those mice and gave them two pathways. At the end of one pathway was a pile of cocaine. At the other pathway, the end of the other

pathway was a pile of sugar. The mice routinely chose the sugar. Wow. You don't have to have a straw and erasably to snort it. So that's why. But to me, that's all you need to say about how addictive sugar is. And then once you realize that and the fact that we still use sugar as a medicine in the hospital. It soothes you. It puts you to sleep. So we still use it in babies to sue them. Once you realize that and how addictive it is, we start talking about why it's in all of our food these days, you know, and why, like, RFK is on the war path to get sugar. I'm not political, but I'm with him on that to get sugar out of the system and to flip the food pyramid and be like, hey, all this sugar is poisoning us. It's actually, it's literally causing all the illness out there

because it's, it's inflammatory. Just keep in mind, unlike the, just keep in mind, unlike the mice, he was storning cocaine. He chose the cocaine off the toilet, according to him. That's according to him, folks. That's a direct quote. Anyway, whatever the brainworm said this way today. So, yeah, hopefully that really is going to happen. So I discovered the sugar was bad when I used to drink 15 Mountain Dews a day and

drink vodka at night, which is a form of sugar mixed with Mountain Dew as a chaser. And God knows what else I was eating, you know, fast food. I've been sitting all my life. So I'm always on the road eating and doing my adventures, building companies and stuff. And I've always, I always eat on the road. And, you know, it's the worst food for you most times and most places unless you're even like dining salads at McDonald's has high calories. I had put on a lot of weight. And I read the book Presto by Krista Penn Gillette.

And then I got to know Kray Ray, who's featuring the book, is his consultant for dietary stuff. And I started fasting. And I didn't really know what I was doing, but I started losing like three to four pounds a day. I was that fat. And I lost over 100 pounds three months. And, you know, then I stopped the Mountain Dews. I think I started the Mountain Dew. That's what really accelerated it.

I kept the vodka, but I stopped the Mountain Dews. And then I started really seeing the dangers of sugar. And shortly after that, my dog started having where anal sacs are, started having bleeding. and she had to be drinking for a while. She was drinking funny. And I didn't know what that was. So we went to the vet and they go, she has anal sac cancer. And the reason she's not drinking is because the cancer, you know, cancer doesn't really kill you.

It just kills your organs by fucking with your system, right? So it was, you know, feeding, it was telling the pituitary gland to put out all this, what is it in your blood that it puts out so that it will kill the livers and kidneys? Lots of carbon? No. Calcium. Calcium. Oh, yes.

That's why she was drinking like a fish. Or no, she didn't stop drinking. She was drinking like a fish. That was it. So anyway, I went in. The doctor gave her a three-day death sentence and said, come back in three days, take a lot of pictures. And then come back and we'll call it. And that was it.

And so I went home going, she's got a death sentence, so we don't have anything to lose. Let's Google some shit on the internet. And I found this folks that had found that their dogs were healed from cancer or survived longer with cancer by eliminate sugar from. their diet completely and feeding them high fats. And I knew that she had a three-day death sentence. So I'm like, what are you going to do? And I talked to some people there, you're going to kill her all fat and you know sugar. What the hell? And I'm like, you know, what did we have to lose here, right? Yeah. So I put her on a high fat diet, started buying the hamburger that you can find that has 20% fat or something. It's crazy. She wouldn't eat sardines, which are, I guess, the highest.

And then I put on this high fat diet and I took sugar out of a system. There's sugar in all these damn dog treats and crap too. And she recovered to a certain degree. She started normalizing drinking. She started running around. She started eating again. That was the other thing she stopped doing. She stopped eating.

That's why the vet was like she stopped eating. This is the signal they do when they're done. Turns out that wasn't it. She didn't want to eat the dog food because the dog food was filled with sugar. And somehow her body was like, this shit is not going to help me in my condition. And so I switched to that diet and to almost the chagrin of the vets and the shock of the vets over almost two years, a year and three quarters, she lived. And she came every day for treats and she played and she ate the best food.

Of course, I fat meat diet. And she got as much as she wanted. And she stayed alive for 1.75 years. and the docks were just aghast every time I take her in. They're like, I can't believe she's still here. And the cancer did slowly grow on her. And for a time, it seemed to stop for a while. But in the end, it was really arthritis that knocked her off.

She lost her ability to stand. And it was probably the cancer too. Didn't really help back there. But it was a really good example of cutting out the sugar. And since then, her, what we learned with her has saved so many other dogs. We don't have dogs that they've had total shutdown. down to organs and shit. Yeah.

And they're like, yeah, you need to, you just kill this dog, the liver shut down, the kidney shut down. And we brought them back from death just by that single element of high fat diet, no sugar. Yeah. It is amazing how quickly it happens. So like my protocol is in the book. My protocol is a five-day protocol.

It's like a guarantee that you wake up. And once you feel it, once you know it, you don't go back. You're like, oh my God, it's amazing. And what you're saying, I once had a client who, after training her on how she should be eating to feel better, she was like, she had a bunch of show dogs. She had five show dogs. She was like, oh, I'm going to, I guess I'm going to feed them exactly what. I'm going to feed myself what my show dogs eat. She was feeding her dogs better than herself.

Wow. I think my dogs do that. But, yeah, I think humans are animals. So, yes, this applies. This applies to, you know, I'm always trying to, social media is always trying to be like, you know, you'd be a better company if you would just talk to only 52 year old women who are hormonal, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, you know what?

No, I teach something that is safe for dogs, cats, girls, boys, women, babies. This should be how we're all eating. We should all be reducing the sugar. Now, what about this high fructose corn syrup or the fake sugars like the stevia and the all that other jazz? Okay. High fructose corn syrup and stevia, I would not throw. in the same boat. Okay.

I'm just throwing examples. Anything with high fructose corn syrup, 100% you want to keep out of your life. What? Anything that has a chemical name like that to begin with, that's the worst thing for you. Stevia is not terrible. Stivia is better. It does not, it's been known to not spike your blood sugar, not spike your insulin. So not mess with the hormones that lead to weight gain.

But even if you keep adding stevia into things, you never really get. rid of that penchant for wanting everything sweet. So I have this, I have this thing that I say sweet calls to sweet. When I start pointing it out for people, they start to understand. Every time you eat something sweet, it's like playing the lottery with your brain. Your brain will wait around for that next sweet. You know, it'll just keep waiting and it'll wait for a good 48 hours. Yeah. It's that dopamine hit at once. When you understand, you're addicted to a drug, really. Yeah. You know, and they've engineered a lot of foods this way. You know, McDonald's and other companies, they've engineered their foods in a lab to get you addicted.

They're the only difference is they're not in Mexico, making barrels of this stuff, but they're in America making it. It's completely legal to feed it to you. But that's why after you eat that crap, you don't feel you've gotten any nutrition, so you want more to try and get, you know. Exactly.

It is absolutely designed to be addictive, and it is filled with sugar. And they call the sugar 50 different names so that you don't recognize that's what you're eating. It's so hidden now. It keeps you coming back. Yeah, it's so hidden now. I'll have all these people that come up to me.

It'll be like, yeah, crazy, he's stuff. There's no sugar in it. It's good for me. And I'm like looking at the back and a million different, I don't know, ingredients in Swahili or something that you can't even pronounce. And yeah, you're like, I'm pretty sure one of these is some sort of sugar coating, coated COD element. You know, one thing that my friend Ray Kroni is Kray Ray from Penn Gillette's book,

did with me to deal with that sugar thing. I don't know if you do this with your clients, but I'll just throw this out here. But one thing that he does is he has you eat potatoes for two weeks, nothing but potatoes. And if you've ever thought of suicide, try that. But what he does with that is the starch is pretty dead. And so what it does is it reset your tongue and your sugar biases and all that addiction that you have to sweetness. You just get used to eating, nothing. And then when you go eat a salad or a nice peach or a nice blueberries or orange or something that's healthy for you, you're like, damn, this is taste better than I thought it did. Yeah, it's like flavor explosion. And it kind of helps reset your stuff because one of the problems

why people don't like, you know, the healthy stuff is it doesn't taste this crazy dopamine-filled jacks sugar, spike-be stuff. And so once you retrain your brain, and I suppose you don't have to do the potatoes thing. You don't really have to do that. But if you can if you can just re-stick with something different and go for a while, you'll enjoy stuff. I buy salads from farms now and the, just the way it looks, looks tasty. The salad, the lettuce and store looks dead to me. I'm just like, this thing looks pale. But yeah, you're right. Changing that taste, a palate or whatever you call it can make all the difference because you don't crave it anymore. Yeah, it's hard. But the, the longer you stay away from it, the better everything gets. And so when I, when I work with people,

I bring people into challenges. So we call it a challenge, right? To like actually stay away from sugar. And I connect people from all across the U.S. on my app. They can talk with me, talk with their coaches. And we exchange. This is what we're eating. And we help them. I have a ton of cookbooks too. They come with my program. So we help them actually know what to eat and make it easy for them to put things on their plate that taste delicious, that pull them away from the sugar. And the longer you stay away from it, of course, we have to pull them through detox because they go through a detox, which only solidifies the fact that, yes, this is addiction because you're going to go through detox symptoms. That's where my ER work comes in. I'm a specialist at detox if nothing else.

So I help them through that. And then within four or five days, they're on the other side of it. And they're like, wow, this is incredible. It doesn't take long. You just kind of do the little fast there of the sugar fast. It doesn't take long. And like you said, you did things a little bit backwards with your fasting. That's like what I call the one-two punch.

When I'm helping people get healthy, I go for the sugar first. Yeah. Because once you start controlling sugar, I call it the GLP-1 effect. I see the GLP-1 drugs out there. And I'm like, if only these people would meet me first, that is exactly the effect that you get when you simply reduce sugar. You get the GLP-1 effect. Your hunger is completely controlled. Yeah, and you're reducing the geo-the-revement.

the should insulin spikes. Once you have your hunger controlled, now you can maybe eat one less snack in your day. And then once you're eating one less snack, it's two less snacks and then maybe one less meal. And so you naturally kind of roll towards that intermittent fasting kind of lifestyle.

So that's exactly how I teach people. First, we're going to cut the sugar. That's the giant obstacle to what's holding you back from achieving everything else you want to achieve with your health. And then fasting is the next, like I said, one-two punch on that. So do you, is there a certain fast you recommend? I know there's different variations, you know.

Sometimes people do really long fast. Sometimes people do 24 hours. My success was doing a fast, you know, I'd have coffee in the morning with no sugar, no milk, just black as my soul. And then I'll go as long as I could before I'd eat my first meal. And it would use to be a salad or, yeah, it used to be a salad or some vegetables. And that was where I was losing like three pounds a day. I cut it all pop.

I got rid of all the mountain dews. Still was drinking vodka, but I was losing 3 to 4 pounds a day. Like women on Facebook hated me because I would post it every day. Facebook is my accountability partner. So I would post every single day how much I was, I had eaten the day before and when I lost because anytime I would be sitting around in the house going, I should go get McDonald's burger.

I'd be like, you got to post tomorrow. No, not doing that. But yeah, it really helped me. The other thing, you know, like you talk about, with sweets is learning to replace those things. So one of the factors I learned was if you can reteach the tongue of the palate to, and you can take and make stuff that's veganese, okay? That just covers the five trillion versions of veganese, so don't write me people. You weren't really vegan. But by you learning to prepare that food and season it, you know,

you can take, I forget the fruit, the jackaloupe. I think, no, it's not jackalope. I think it starts of the J, but it's a, it's the version of the durian, but it's not the durian Asian fruit. And it's it's like bubble gum. I forget the name of it. Jack. Jack, something. Jack fruit. There's a jack fruit.

Yeah, I think it's jack fruit. Yeah. There you go. Good. Jack fruit, Chris. Could be Jack fruit. It's fruit, Chris. Yeah, Jackfruit.

And so I learned to make like barbecue, I can't, I can't pull any terms today. Barbecue pulled pork, you know, season with with jack fruit. fruit, bubble gum tasting fruit, and you season it, you cook it, taste just like, just like you're eating meat. It's nice and fatty. And so I learned to do all that, and that really helped. And, like, today, I keep lots of fruits and vegetables around the house. So if I get a sugar, yesterday I got a sugar craving.

I was on the way home, and I was like, a little evil voice said, you should stop and get yourself a Coke. And I was like, no. And I'm like, I know you have raspberries and blackberries at home, and you love those. So you're going to go home and you're going to eat those. And I did. And that fixed my sugar craving. Okay.

And that shows you know something because raspberries and strawberries are the healthiest fruit of the fruits. So I would call all fruits desserts. They are nature's desserts. Oh, yeah. So I do not recommend that people eat a whole lot of fruit. But if any fruit, the super high fiber fruits that are also very sweet, the berries are the best. Yeah. Apple is good for your gut health for my understanding.

I'm not a doctor. I don't eat a lot of pineapple, although I don't eat a lot of pineapple. although it has a good amount of fiber. So any fruit that has a decent amount of fiber is a better fruit than others. Definitely. And so I just keep that around the house. The other trick I have, if you didn't pick that up, the audience didn't pick that up, is I learned this one rule that's really good. And you're welcome to use it.

If it's in your house, it's in your mouth. So don't bring it home. So when you're playing that Fosterian bargain bullshit at the store, was like we all do. we all go, I'll buy that case of Orioles, but I'm only to have one a day. You know, you're doing that bargaining with yourself? No, no. In fact, the best thing is look at your car when you pull up to the thing and go, how much of this shit do I really not need to be eating?

And just pick it up and put it on the shelf. I've done that a million times, get a few dirty looks from the grocery gals. But anytime I find myself doing that fosty and bargain crap where I'm like, I only drink one can of Coke a day. I've even done the thing where I'm like, I'll buy the small cans of Coke. And that way when I have a Coke at home, I'll just be having half a Coke. You know what you do? You drink three of them.

Yeah. Yeah. No, you're absolutely right. You got to get them out of your house. I don't bring it home. And therefore, it does not get in my mouth. And I'm really lazy too. So if I really want a Coke, I've got to go get in the car and get ready and find the

keys. Then I got to go get me a Coke. And you know what I do? Because I'm lazy. I go, I'll just eat whatever's in the fridge or have a coffee or something. That's exactly right. That's why I always, I tell my clients all the time, do not buy those protein bars, all that easy keto crap.

Do not buy that stuff. If you're going to make yourself one of these keto bombs and they need a sweet treat, make it for yourself. Promise that you'll make it for yourself because you know what? All of us are too lazy. We just won't do it half the time. And then you don't have it, which is way better for you. It's way better for you to not have those sweets.

When you cure yourself of the addiction, and a lot of people, the other thing people don't realize a lot of times when you're hungry, you're not really hungry. You're dehydrated. Yes. You need water. You don't need another McDonald's burger filled with salt with all that sodium that's going to lock up your throat and just make you want to drink more and eat more. And so it's really wild. So what else have we talked about?

We've been just having fun here on the show. You asked me about fasting. I have a whole ton of YouTube videos about fasting because I teach all kinds of fasting. This, in fact, I'm teaching a course right now called spring fasting for a whole group across the country. And they're learning how to be prolonged fast. In that group that are fasting, you know, just 12 hours in their day and it's a stretch. And that's what you, so you got to start. You have, you always have to start low, you know.

So if you have not gone through a day where you haven't had a 12 hour stretch, including sleep, God, you've got to start there. Okay. But then you keep going. And I always, I think the easiest thing is kind of what you explained. I mean, I don't know if you were doing OMAD, one meal a day. But for me, yeah, it was kind of like, it was kind of like half a meal of salad or eggs. Okay.

So when people ask me about the quickest way to fast, to lose weight, the quickest way to gain health, to drop meds, I always tell them 18.6. 186 is the easy. So fast for 18 hours. Choose six hours in your day when it makes sense for you to eat. Is it the time that you want to be with your family, the time that you want to eat a meal out and be with friends? Or are you a morning person? It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

So just choose six hours. Stick with those six consecutive hours and have 18 hours where your body's fasting. That will heal your body so fast. Yeah. If you can go beyond that, so beyond that is what I teach. Like right now, as I speak to you, I'm like 48 hours into a fast myself. Oh, really? Yeah.

All right. I'm fasting with my teeth. You haven't ripped my head off or done anything that I do after 48 hours. I'm like, rah. No, and you can hear me. I'm like excited. The thing that fasting, that good energy does to you is it lights up. up your brain. It turns you on. You're not asleep anymore. So, especially on days when I want to

have the word recall, I want to be able to speak clearly, represent myself. You know, on important days now, I will fast on purpose. Yeah. And just being consistent with it, do you believe in, what do they call them bad days or what do they call them cheat days? Cheat days? Of course. Yeah, of course. Of course. Yeah. Sometimes those cheat days can bring back with sugar. I'm going to have birthday cake. That's one of the reasons that people will push away from like the whole the whole low carb concept. Oh, I can't live my life without sugar. And that's not at all it. It's just I want to teach you where the sugar is so that you can choose when you want to have more and when you want to have less. And you'll learn over time that most of the time you feel a lot

better when you choose less. But of course, you can add it back anytime. You just got to be, you got to be careful of that lotto system coming back. Anytime you put it back in, now your brain's, oh, that's a choice again. Okay. And then you have, and then you'll have hunger for a few days that you have to deal with. So it revs up your hunger. But it's kind of like heroin, man.

Yeah. Once you get off, you got to stay off of it. You take a little hit. You might, you might end up back on the streets. Yeah. In our culture,

though, I mean, you can't avoid. It's, it's sugar is tied into love. It's tied into happiness. It's tied into all these joyful events. And that's part of being well also,

having community, being involved. So you don't want to totally take yourself out of life by never having sugar again. That's why my book is called Sugar Be Sugaring because it's good. It's bad. It's everywhere. That's what the title means there. Everything is kind of good in healthy moderation, right? I mean, I go out, I go out to eat almost every other day. You know, I work from home, so I got to get the hell out of the house. And, you know, a lot of times I'll make chicken at home and cook that and season it. But sometimes I just want to get out

and go eat. I try and eat healthy. Usually chicken when I go out. It seems to work really good for my for my protein and my body and fitness and working out. And, you know, I'll have a Coke. I'll have a Coke when I'm out. But I have one Coke and I usually get a medium. I don't get one of those, I don't know what is Del Taco the other night. I ordered like a, they were like, you want a regular or a medium? And I didn't think about it.

I was like a regular. And they gave me a regular Coke that it was like a multi-big gold person. It was like huge. I was like, oh, man. And see, the problem is I know I'm going to eat that or drink that. if I sit there because I kind of have an OCD ADHD thing where I'm obsessed and compulsive. If you put anything in front of me that's liquid or food, I'll eat it. I'll just eat it.

And then I'll be like, you know, same with vodka. So we can't do that anymore. Hangovers got too bad. But I'll just sit there and work it. And I learned to use that habit against me or for me by doing that with water. So I have a great RO system. I have great tasting water. I found that was the key to losing weight and fasting because if you,

If you have really great tasting water that's super clean, then you're going to stay on your fast. Yeah, I don't know what story I started to tell, but it's gone now, but I think I still gave some good information. I segued too many segues. Welcome to Chris Basha. It's the ADHD of me. But, yeah. Now, how do people work with you? Let's talk about some of the offerings on your website, so we get some offers to move here.

What do you have on your website for programs and how do people know if they're a fit for you as a client? The best way to know if you're a fit for me is probably to watch me on YouTube, right? Because when you join me in a program, you're watching me through your phone. I'm teaching you through your phone. So I do what I call little micro lessons. Okay. I always had people ask me in the ER, can you fix me? Can I see you, doctor?

Can I see you? Because I like you and nobody's ever explained to me like you do that I can fix myself. So I, you know, so I figured out that that is my gift, that I can explain complex things really. simply. And I like to do it in just five, five minute aliquots. So I tell people like when they say I don't have time, I'm like, if you go to the bathroom three times a day, you have time to learn for me because that's how, that's how quick I'm going to teach you. That's usually where you watch all the YouTube videos anyways in the back. That's right. That's right. So my programs are filled with me by video. You're learning from me. You also learn from your teammates and your coaches and all of the other

things that we share with you. But I think if you go to YouTube and you hear me talk and you kind of don't like me, then I'm probably not a good fit for you. If you kind of do like me, then I'm probably a good fit for you. You're probably going to learn a lot from me. Yeah, I would say that's probably the easiest way to know if we're going to be able to pal up together and make, you know, make you healthier. I just subscribed your YouTube channel. I found it there. Emergency Health Fix, Dr. Aaron Fixed Nation. Folks, you can find that on the things there. So I'll check it out. Yeah, but it's, this has been the best investment I've ever made in East. eating healthy, getting rid of sugar, you know, paying attention to what you put in your mouth.

You know, we talk a lot about on the show, I don't know if you're covering your book, but we talk about gut health and, you know, how even if you have a bad gut, it can cause your brain inflammation and, you know, then you won't think straight. I think most people on Twitter have gut health problems. Anyway, whatever that means. We like to call back joke on that. You talk to people. Now, one thing you mentioned, too, if you don't mind, we're going a little long here.

I don't know if you need a heart out. But one thing you did mention that I want to get back to was women who might be paramedopausal or menopausal are over 50. You said something about women over 50. They're dealing with hormones. And I have a huge dating group about 5,000 people. A lot of women over 50. There's a lot of things they talk to me about issues they're going through with menopause and stuff. And it's really hard on them.

And so can sugar, regulating sugar and doing some of the things you recommend in your book help help them get through those? Yes. Yes, yes, absolutely. Absolutely. Because what I like to tell people, we were just talking about this last night with my group, what I like to tell people is when you hear experts out there who want to tell you how to get healthier, who want to tell you how to lose the weight, the weight that all of a sudden you can't lose because your metabolism is slowing down.

What I tell people is the hormone, when we say you got to correct your hormones, we're not talking about the sex hormones. I think in the public, everybody immediately goes to estrogen, progesterone, testosterone. And then if you're at that point where you're like, I don't have those anymore, so there you go. That's my problem and I'm never going to be fixed. That's a problem with your thinking. Those hormones are small compared to the hormones of metabolism. And the hormones of metabolism that get fixed when you drop sugar are insulin and cortisol.

Yeah, cortisol. Those are like, I call those the king and the queen, right? Like the estrogen and the progesterone, these are the kids in the room. This is, yes, when you lose, when you start. to get older and you lose those hormones for men, testosterone as well, as it is harder to lose weight. But it doesn't mean that you can't. Instead of paying attention to the kids, you just go straight to mom and dad. You start paying attention to how can you fix that insulin? How can you fix that cortisol? You do that primarily by dropping the sugar. There you go. Yeah, some people, they get

confused on, some people that use this excuse. I can't do it because, you know, my hormones are all screwed up from menopause or, you know, parmenopause or old age. and stuff. Yeah, I need to see people think, oh, I'm, you know, I'm old. We're eating a big Mac. As soon as you start, as soon as you start eating right, you feel a lot more, a lot younger, a ton younger. And you stop worrying about that stuff as well.

You're like, hey, I suddenly feel better than I did when I was 20. My body loves me now. It's thank you for putting nice stuff in us and not drinking mountain dew and vodka. You know, I quit drinking vodka back in, I think, 2020 when the COVID came along. And I just couldn't 50 my body was just like, fuck you, we're not doing this with you anymore. You want you want to look at a bottle of vodka? You're going to get a three-day hangover headache, just looking at it. Yeah.

But that's sugar too. To my understanding, alcohol turns the sugar in your system. You mentioned that. I was like, who he knows that. You mentioned that. Yeah. So reducing sugar in your diet really makes you a lightweight because of its link to alcohol. Because of the way it's processed.

So I have to warn people when I take them off of sugar in that. first week. Hey, if you're a drinker, that one drink is going to, it's going to be about five times the effect that you're used to. So please don't, please don't drive tonight. Don't be the driver. And what you figure out over time when you do a, you're a long term low sugar, low carb eater, when you do that, you realize over time, you need less and less and less alcohol for the same effect. Yeah. And really for most of us, eventually it's so little that you're like, why may even, why don't even drinking anymore? And you just quit. It makes it a lot easier to quit.

There's a lot of studies that show that as well. People that get admitted with alcohol detox, they put them on low-carb diets, and they actually have less cravings. It's amazing. The only downside about not drinking alcohol anymore and being healthy and your body will love you for it, I seriously guarantee you,

is anytime you go into a restaurant or you go someplace and you're like, take the wine glass, they treat you like you had a problem. Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were an alcoholic once. So we'll tell you, or we go on a date, night, you know, some girl goes, are you going to order a drink? I'm just going to have a coffee, but go ahead and never wine. I don't care if people drink around me. I don't have a problem, but that bothers me too. It bothers me that they treat you like a kid, right? They take away the

glass and they give you like a paper cup. Yeah, I should be, I just be like, no, I'm going to drink my coffee out of the wine glass. But no, I have my water in the wine glass. I would still like to use the fancy glass and feel like I'm out. I don't, you know, I don't drink either. I drink. I I drink zero alcohol. And it's, it's because of the whole low carb thing, yes, but it's more because of my cancer diagnosis. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's a toxic.

It's a toxicant. I don't know. Is that right word? Yeah. Breast cancer, breast cancer, prostate cancer, colon cancer. And the number one cause is obesity. The number two causes alcohol. So losing the weight was great.

But now I feel like if I, if I take a drink and then God forbid my cancer comes back, because any cancer patient knows once you're a cancer patient, you're always, you're always concerned. certain that it's going to come back. You've got to do everything that you can. You can empower yourself to feel like at least if it does come back, I won't be in the position where I'm like, man, I wish I didn't have that drink yesterday, you know, thinking that that could have. So I just, I stay away from it altogether. And a lot of people feel social peer pressure from it. I've had so many people say to me, like, don't you feel weird when you're out with a date or you're at the club or a bar with

some friends and you're like the weird one who's not? And I'm like, my friend's don't even know what I'm drinking. I ordered a Coke. For all they know, it's a Roman Coke. They don't give a shit. And they're not like, let's check your drink and inspect it to make sure there's booze. They don't give a shit. It looks like I'm drinking a Coke. And I don't have any problem with it because, you know what, it feels so good not to have to deal with that. It feels so good not to have that three days of water bloating because you've dehydrated your system. Like I used to, at the end, I was ballooning up. Like I put it on five pounds, I swear, water gain for the hangover.

and then you'd pee it out over two or three days and you're just like, geez, how much water was in me. Yeah. And it's the makers of beer and wine that just perpetuate this idea that like you're a loser if you're not drinking like everyone else. And I think I was just listened to, I think it was on the Huberman podcast. He had somebody on his show that was like he was talking about addiction. And he said, you know, I think it's like something like 10% of the population drinks 100% of the alcohol that's sold. It's not a lot. That's probably me back in the day.

I mean, I never had a problem. If I was out of vodka, like I wouldn't be starting to drink weird shit. I'd just be like, okay, I'll get some tomorrow, whatever. But I definitely abused myself with it. I used it for abuse a little bit. For a long time, it was the sugar, it was the fuel. So I'm an entrepreneur. I want to work later.

I got stuff to do. You know, I'd get a shot of vodka and suddenly I had some pickup energy and I'd kind of relax a bit. And so I'd be a little less stress. And, you know, I'd go for it. I kind of worked in my 30s a little bit. I don't know. Maybe I thought it was better than it was.

And I thought it was helping me sleep, which is the dumbest thing ever. I can't believe I believe that for 20 years. But, I mean, it does help you sleep if you pass the fuck out. But that means you're going to wake up with blood in your eyes in the morning. Yeah, not sleep. Pass out. Yeah, you're going to pass out. But one other thing I was going to run by you, and I think you mentioned it about

testosterone and different things, I had the worst problem for two or three years, even after you and Dr. Fung on the show and reading all I read, I could never get beyond 24 hours. I couldn't get to the 24-hour mark of fasting without crashing. Like I would start spinning the fuck out. And it wasn't like a hunger thing where I got to eat somewhere. I'm going to kill somebody. It was just functioning. I started shutting down.

And I couldn't figure out what it was. And so I just kept my daily, you know, wake up in the morning, you know, don't eat before bed, have a coffee, maybe have a lunch or a late brunch. It goes as far as you can. And then, you know, drink lots of water. Oh, and my other two tricks are. My other two tricks are water and then a spoonful of apple cider vinegar if I get hunger pains. I know you're going to say that.

And there's one other thing, salt, licking rock salt. You can get this mineral salt that's really great. I couldn't figure out what it was. And then about two years ago, I went and had my testosterone checked. And I did not have any free testosterone. I had the basics. But I've been working out for three years and couldn't build a lot of muscle and I was stuck. And I had low testosterone.

And once I got my testosterone, my body rebalance and now I can go beyond 24 hours and I'll hit the wall. That's interesting. I was thinking you were going to say that you were over fasting. When somebody tells me, like you said that you had been, you know, eating like one meal a day or half a meal a day. And if you do that for a long time and then try a long fast, you will often fail because you're over, you're over fasting. Your body's not supported enough to get you through a longer haul. Oh, really? Yeah.

I teach a lot about that. I still got plenty of fat to change. how not to overdo it. Yeah, I still got, I still got plenty of fat to cannibalize. But, you know, one of the great things I remember Dr. Funk came on the show, he said,

he said, you know, most people think that if you don't eat overnight, that somehow you'll die. I'm going to die. You know, thinks that. Everyone I train,

everyone universally, when I come into a fasting program, you know, at 9 o'clock their night, they're like, are you really sure, you're really sure that I should go to sleep. It's okay.

I'm going to be okay. I remember feeling that way as well. I remember that way. I used to think that way. I'm like, I've got the shakes. I must need food. I'm going to die any moment now.

A lot of that is mental, right? Oh, yeah. When you're not used to it, you will work yourself into the shakes like you just said. You can work yourself up with worry. And that will make you not get through it. But we work with teams, that's part of the joy of being on a team. It's like just the comfort of being together and going over that hump together. And having that accountability team that you're providing for people as a coach really,

helps. Oh, yeah. You know, I did that with writing my book, Beacon's leadership. You just having that accountability makes you do the work because you know somebody's going to call your bullshit out tomorrow. And that really helps. But I'll never forget, Dr. Fung, he said, yeah, most people can live like 30, 60 days as long as they have water and vitamins, you know, they can live without food. And I told them how heavy I was at the time, which was like 350 or something like that, 300 and 320 or something. And he goes, yeah, Chris, you could probably go a whole year without eating. I'll never forget that. I was like, oh, okay. All right, you are the doctor, and that's probably true, it's considering how much I have here to cannibalize. That's true. I mean,

and holding hands through it with an ear, doctor feels better. Yeah. Plus, you know who to call if you start getting those chest pains. So it's like a dual, it's a dual offering there. Yeah. I can't feel my left arm. What do I do, Doc? Well, an emergency doctor. Get your ass down. Anyway. So, Dr. Aaron, anything more you want to pitch out to us before we go?

I mean, you said how you were struggling so long with your health. I mean, I just would reiterate that. I was similar to you, very stressed out. The ER is a very stressful place. And I was, you know, constantly like eating M&Ms and Diet Coke's and pizza and anything that would come in the door. There's no time to eat. We would just eat anything. Oh, yeah.

And that, on top of all the stress, I mean, 20 years of that is what I think probably caused my cancer. I'll never know. But it's the whole reason that I try to teach people now, like how to not get into that trouble. It's horrible, horrible. Yeah. Just take care, better care of yourselves. I wish I could go back and tell myself when I was a kid some of this crap. And, you know, I grew up in the 70s when we had real sugar in our stuff.

In fact, I kind of like getting those old sugar coax, the real sugar, one you can buy from Mexico. I kind of like those. I'll have one of those every now and then if I can get one of those, I'll have one. And they're fairly popular where I'm at, thankfully. In fact, Home Depot has whole cases of me. You could buy that. But don't do that because then you bring it home. And if it's in your house, it's in your mouth.

Just buy them one at a time. Because I mean, I'm serious. I can't tell you how many times I get a sugar craving and I'm just lazy. And I'm just like, oh, I'm going to drive to 7.11 to get it. I'm not doing that. It's trapping. You know, I just have some berries and, you know, I don't know, make myself another coffee. Coffee's been like the greatest thing for me.

I know a lot of people hate it. I hated coffee before I gave it Mountain Dew. I thought it was the nastiest crap in the world. But then again, my palate, like you talked about, was so addicted to sugar. I needed to reset it. And now I love coffee. And I buy really nice coffee and espresso, so that helps. Yeah.

I mean, if you could eat sugar the way we used to eat sugar, it's so much healthier for you. Right? Like stop buying toll house, Nestle, cookies and all that. Make a cookie for yourself from scratch. I mean, I supported the Girl Scouts the other day and I bought five packs of cookies for 30 bucks. It was like a dealer or something. And I always support the Scouts and any of these young kids that come out and they're being little entrepreneurs that are trying to sell stuff. I remember how hard that was. I wrote about it with my book.

I remember how hard that was as a kid selling Scout a rampant tickets. So I bought a whole bunch of five bags of those Girl Scout cookies. and then I took it on my mom and took a few of the cookies themselves and left. So that's the little trick there. You can still support those. You left them to your mother. Which is probably, you know, that's like giving drugs to from one drug dealer to another because she loves sugar too. I said giving to people in the neighborhood, your church friends or something.

But, you know, I mean, so you can't support the sugar industry, the Girl Scouts, namely, but you don't have to eat the cookies. So just giving them the money. You take them to the ER. I used to just give the Girl Scouts or the Scouts the money, and I'd be just like, I don't want the food because if I take it home, I'll eat it. So here's just the money. And go ahead and make double the profit there, bud. That's better.

I'm teaching you some really cool mathematics of entrepreneurism here. That's a better plan. For Valentine's Day, Easter, all of it. Give money. Yeah. Better plan. There you go. Instead of buying sugar, let other people get poisoned by sugar with the money you give them.

I don't know. That sounds wrong. Anyways, Doc, give us your dot com as we go out and final pitch out, where people can find out more about you. You can find me at fixed nation.org. That's F-I-X-E-D. Make sure you don't go to fix. Chris went to fix F-I-X-Nation.org,

and he found a bunch of spay and neutery or animal-type information. Fixed-F-I-X-E-D, fixnation.org is where to find me. There you go. There you go. And we also, we expect to check from whoever that other company was, now that we plug their cat-fixing. service there. I'm all for it. I'm with Bob Barker on that. Spay and neuter is wonderful, but it's not going to find me. I grew up walking the dog with him. He's a wonderful man.

He was a wonderful man. And maybe he was still as in our memories. So there you go. Order up her book where we're flying books are sold. And folks, please, I'm a living embodiment and validation of what she has all talked about and written about here. It will change your life. It's kind of a, it's kind of hard to get on the other side of this, not learned, but your body will thank you. My body every day just goes, thank you for not being a jerk anymore. And then it still gives me a list of things to work on. It's not like my wife.

It gives me plenty of honeydos. Can you stop eating this thing? You know, every now and I eat bad. Every now and I go to McDonald's. So if you see me at McDonald's, don't take pictures and put them on the internet and call me out. Unless you see me every day, then please do that because I have a problem if I do.

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