The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – The Art of Strength: Sculpt the Body—Train the Mind by Tammy Wise

Episode Date: March 12, 2026

The Art of Strength: Sculpt the Body—Train the Mind by Tammy Wise https://www.amazon.com/Art-Strength-Sculpt-Body-Train-Mind/dp/1982209461 Bodylogos.com Apply Tao principles and active meditation to resistance training to transform tension into strength! Your body’s design has been honed over millions of years. It has its own inherent wisdom, and it knows what it needs and how to survive. Our modern lifestyle has undermined that wisdom. The result? Exhaustion, anxiety, fatigue, tension, pain, even sickness. The Art of Strength: Sculpt the Body ~ Train the Mind is a Book/3D-Video Learning System that gives you a foundational understanding of how your energy is motivated–and an approach to accessing and channeling that energy to achieve your full strength. Based in Tao theory and practiced in your workouts, this is the how-to for living relaxed on the inside and strong on the outside. Aided by 15 video tutorials, readers will gain a comprehensive philosophy on how energy optimally flows through the body and how tension obscures that flow. While new fitness trends emerge from one week to the next, The Art of Strength offers a far more integrated approach: deep insight into Eastern thought coupled with a self-analysis system and physical fitness workout routine which integrate for a complete mind-body wellness experience. This innovative combination of in-depth book content and 3D animation will guide readers to the emotional root of physical tension. A 3D avatar and live video model demonstrate internal and external energy movement, while practical Tao principles are explained and related to workout challenges. The Art of Strength shares the nuts and bolts of the BodyLogos® practice to offer you an understanding of your own blocks to living the power of your intention. Stop chasing success and experience it with ease!

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that's going to inspire you to be better and smarter and take care of your spiritual self. The book is entitled The Art of Strength, Scope the Body, Train the Mind, out November 26, 2018, by Tammy Wise. We're going into what that means of sculpting the body, training the mind, And I don't know, maybe we should get your brain on a Zempec or something.

We're going to find out what she means and how it works. Tammy Wise is a widely respected mind-body strength expert, owner of Body Logic, I'm sorry, Body Logos, Inc. A holistic fitness and beauty company. She's the author of the aforementioned book and creator of the Mind Body Adventure app. Voted the Best of Fitness by Timeout New York twice. She's been widely featured in the media and blogs regularly for medium.

She started out as a Broadway dancer to tap minister. She is truly a Renaissance woman. Her studies as an avatar master and Inka Energy Medicine Guide joins her license. I'm learning how to spell new words today, evidently, in herbal medicine, meditation, eastern nutrition, and acupressure. reflexology and cosmetology. All of our influence in her New York City practice and holistic straight training method, Body Logos, which unites principles from both Eastern and Western philosophies. Welcome to the show.

How are you, Tammy? I'm well. Thanks for having me, Chris. Thanks for coming. Give us your dot-coms. Where could people find out more about you on the interwebs? At bodylogos.com. And that's B-O-D-Y-L-G-O-S.com.

So give us a 30,000 overview. What's inside your new book? The Art of Strength is my old book. We can talk about the newer book maybe after we talk about this one. But this book is a approach to strength training that integrates emotional training as well. I see the body as a blueprint of your emotional story. Your posture has meaning where you collapse, where you're strong, where you're coordinated, where you're not. every attribute your body has is telling me something about what's going on in your emotional makeup. So as we sculpt the body, we get to train your emotional body into being the person who you'd like to be. We're not always that.

Sometimes we're just doing our best to survive. So this book helps you to be a bit more deliberate about becoming. Be deliberate about becoming. I mean, why is this important? I mean, can we just have a scrambled brains for minds and just all get along, or is that just not working these days? I think if you really look at things right now, you see that it's not really working right now. Everything seems fine in the news. Oh, really?

So even look at your own personal story. Not everything went the way you necessarily wanted it to go, whether it was traumatic or just disappointing. We get stuck on certain things. It gets sticky. and all that stickiness lives in your soft tissue. So you have an IQ in your brain, in your mind, that helps you to manage the things that we might get tripped up on. But to actually make it so that we don't get triggered in the first place by certain things, we need to change the body. Because that's where the emotion of the story lives.

The memory of the story is in your mind. That's one link. The emotion of the stories in your body, that's a second link. Both these links need to be addressed to create positive change. Now, are these Tao principles that you adhere to in the room? They are. Yes, in the introduction, you called me a tap minister, but it is down minister. Thank you for that correction.

I called you a tack minister? A tap minister, yeah, but I do tap dance, so it wasn't that far off. But, yeah, it is a Dow minister. It's an Eastern philosophy that precedes Buddhism. Yeah, I was, what about that? Oh, yeah, you know what? So my apologies, I have a, I have a, there's a camera that sits on the screen. It looked like a P, because the line goes across.

My apology. You know, we have these people, they do this tapping thing. So I just figure, well, I must say tap. Oh, yeah. It's one of the dangers of having a giant camera on the screen. So a Tao minister, what is Tao? Tell us, let's lay a foundation definition of that. So you could think of Tao as nature.

So as a Tao minister, I follow the principles of nature. So the cyclical life force that what goes around comes around. So we believe in coming back. The theory of Yan and Yang. The theory of Yan and Yang is from Tao. The five element theory is from Tao. Now, when you say you believe in coming back, is that reincarnation? Do you believe in?

Yeah, that would be reincarnation, yeah. Okay. And so you're on a mission to redefine strength, and to do that partially in the brain and body. Now, is, you know, one thing I learned in going to the gym in my later years, because I didn't in my early years, was it's not really so much about going to the gym to work out your muscles as it is, you know, learning to discipline your mind, learning to, you know, go do the things. things that are hard and sometimes painful to exercise the body, but strengthen it, right? And maybe that's why we're resistant to be working on the mind because we're like, oh, this is going to take some work. And I really want to watch the Kardashians today and drill out the side of my face and lose

IQ points. Is that kind of what it's about? There is an element of mindset that's super important to just getting to the gym, right? but my work takes it one step further than that. So say you're doing bicep curls in the gym and what you're really feeling is your shoulders. So the function of your bicep is to pull desirables towards you. So that's the emotion it carries.

Your shoulders are all, it's the widest part of your skeletal frame. It's about your morals, your values, what you stand for, what you stand by. So if you're feeling your bicep curl in your shoulders instead of in your bicep, It's because you're overworking the shoulder. And so when you try to pull desirables towards you, you might want to think about how you're disrupting your morals and values in how you do it. In the ways in which you do it. So I start to integrate, watch how the body responds to challenge. Poster is my guide.

I think of your physical alignment with gravity as a spiritual relationship. ever goes askew when you challenge that alignment has meaning. So posture matters. Poster matters. Change your posture, change your life. That's really true. I found that, you know, I've, in my family, we have this C sloucher kind of thing. I don't know.

I call it the computer crunch. That's still mine over years of sitting in front of a computer being an entrepreneur for, you know, five billion hours a day. And yeah, I mean, I notice that if when I stand up straight, things really change. In fact, my posture changes when I go to the gym and work out. Like, I will go there feeling like a Sautover humbug that's been hit over the head too many times by life. And, you know, I go there kind of beaten up. And then after our workout, I feel really energized. But I swear to God, I stand two inches taller.

And, you know, my back straight, my chest is out. And you know what? The same exact thing happens when you're happy. Oh. You stand up taller. You open your chest. You're awake and alive. Your endorphins are flowing.

So it's like, what do you change first when you're feeling all collapsed in your sea posture or when you're feeling kind of down in the dumps? Start with your posture. And then by changing your posture, you might feel the inspiration to go to the gym instead of it being like, Let me just get myself there. Maybe I'll get inspired once I'm there. You know, it all starts with the posture. That's what plugs you in.

The way I look at it is that Earth and Sky are like a plug. When we can plug in, we're plugging into a source energy, and we're a resource. We die. The universe is forever. So your body Logos method outlined in the art of strength distinguishes the different. between tension and strength. Can you expand on that a little bit? Sure. The short answer in that is tension is energy that has stopped moving. Stress is energy that's in flow.

So you might be able to relate to this if you're in the gym and you're lifting your heaviest weight and you hold your breath and you like everything's tense as you're doing it, but you feel really like you achieve something when you finished it. The question to me always is have you? Have you just created more tension? in the body? Or have you actually created a current of strength that has as much release in the body as it has contraction

so that you can release tension holding patterns as you build strength? Release the patterns as you build strength. Because energy is cyclical. So as you're contracting up through something, building strength, you have the potential

to release down through another muscle group. It's opposite. it and release tension. Hmm. So how did you come up to develop this body logos method? I lived through incest for three years from the ages of 10 to 13. And I disassociated from my body pretty regularly. And when I did, I felt like a divine hand just plucked me out of danger.

And I was in a place where gravity went through my body. body in such a graceful, integral way. I felt loved. I felt safe. I felt relevant. And then I would be sprung back into my body, which was totally tension base. And I would be afraid and tight and in, you know, ugh. And so I was in this ping pong game, which was completely out of my control between being tense and afraid and muscling through to being in this divine. divine light that flowed through. And so I wanted my real life to be my disassociated or altered state. I wanted that to be my reality.

And so at 10 years old, I asked my mom if I could go to ballet class. So I thought that would be a place that I could learn how to align like this. And I was extremely committed to making this transition and as a result became a really good dancer. And 19 years old was on the Broadway stage with the chorus line. So my career continued until I was 50 years old and I'm now 63, but I'm now committed to body logos now that my dance career has come to pretty much a close every now and then I go out and do something, but it's pretty much come to a close. And so, yeah, that's how I came to body levels. Oh, yeah, being a Broadway dancer, I mean, that's, that takes a lot of grit. That takes a lot of work, a lot of practice, you know, hours, tens of hours, hundreds of hours,

thousands of hours of, you know, take it probably eating right. It's been an important aspect of that. Probably not at McDonald's every day if you're a Broadway dancer, maybe. That's right. That's right. You do have, there are sacrifices that we make. It's a short-lived career. It's very all-encompassing, but it's short-lived.

It doesn't last forever, you know? Yeah, yeah. So you just appreciate it while you have it and you do what you have to do. That must have been a fun experience of meeting a lot of people and entertaining a lot of people and working your art and, of course, as well. Truth is, Chris, I'm having more fun now. Oh. I am. I feel like then I was creating joy from the outside in, and now I feel like,

I create joy from the inside out. Oh, that's pretty good. I mean, we all need joy, and some of us definitely need it from the inside out, because, you know, sometimes on the outside, we smile and we're like, we're fine. Yeah, I call that the smile of pleasantry. The smile of pleasantry. It's not really, like, inspired in any way. It's like that meme where the, where the dog's sitting there with the coffee cup and everything's on fire in his house,

and he says, this is fine. So what separates you from traditional strength trainers and coaches? You know, we've had them on the show, the guys who do the weights and the roids and all that stuff. I mean, imagine yours is more mind-based, maybe. I don't know if it's more mind-based, but it's more feeling-based than accomplishment-based. So you're always in field. So you're doing an active meditation that has a therapeutic quality while you're pumping iron. So I may not push you to go as heavy and go for the burn.

I will applaud you in releasing the tension that you're holding in your shoulders while you're lifting as heavy a weight as you can. So I will applaud alignment always over-accomplishment. That's the accomplishment. To me, strength is being able to meet a challenge, create a positive change without compromising. yourself. And if you're creating tension in your body while you're creating that result of picking up something heavy and you're just creating more tension, then I don't see that as not compromising

yourself. I see that as compromising yourself. And I don't see that as a positive outcome. You know, I just see that as more tension, more tension, more forcing something, forcing a habit instead of adopting a ritual that has meaning in the doing as opposed to the meaning is only when it's over. You distinguish between people being and people doing during their workouts, and that's a valid point that you put there. You have the art of strength and the art of posture online programs on an app called the Mind, Body, Adventure. How is it adventure? I feel the reason I feel like I bring people joy from the inside out is because when you have that comes about when you're releasing attention, it is mind-blowing.

You're like, oh my God. Like, you have so much more agency to create happiness in your life than you think you have. And so when you start to learn the principles of body logos, you realize that you can create positive change all by yourself. You don't necessarily need the therapist and the trainer and the partner and the whatever. Your body, if you learn how to listen to it, is a best friend, is the therapist, is your guided meditation. It gives you all those things. And I'm not saying we don't all want a partner.

I'm engaged to be married, so I'm very excited about that. But being able to make yourself happy, I think is something we all want. Yeah, because being unhappy isn't that fun sometimes? Yeah. I mean, I think some people do enjoy it. They're miserable because that's their jam. Yeah. But I like happiness.

It's really cool. You know, yeah. It's good to have that. Now, you talk about strength training and meditation in the Body Logos program. Is breathing an important consideration? I know that breathing helps alignment and it kind of helps expand your rib cage and get just to sit up taller and get that posture and fix. Yeah, and it expands that diaphragm, which is under your lungs, which is like a cutoff muscle. It's a transverse muscle in the body.

So a lot of things can get stuck in that area. So breathing is super important. You talked earlier about the C posture and how much you're at the computer kind of feeding that C posture. If you wanted, I could lead you through a breathing exercise that helps you get rid of that. Oh, let's keep, we don't diagnose Chris on the show. So let's, we'll keep talking about your plans, your programs and stuff like that. Sometimes it can get a little, it can get a little bit dry radio, if you will. When people go to your website, tell us about some of the offerings we have here on what people can do

and how they can get in touch with you to utilize your services. When you first come to the site, you can get a free. PDF of the Psyche muscular blueprint or the mind body blueprint of the body which is where your body carries different emotions and it gives you a little bit of a rundown of how you can start using that

in diagnosing your own posture or analyzing your own posture and beginning to use it in a workout so that's something that they could get free just to get an understanding they also have a monthly blog They can join my list so they can get the blog once a month. I don't do a lot of mailings.

It's just once a month. And I talk about in these blogs, living life from a mind-body perspective, what that looks like. And there's all sorts of information about the book, about my app, the mind-body adventure. And I also have a beauty line

that's called Wise Beauty, and they're each product. It's really a self-care line. more, it's not makeup, it's not cosmetic. It's all about being beauty in the most natural way. And there is a emotional component that goes with each one of those products too. So as you use it, you can think about this aspect of yourself and just, you know, stay in touch with yourself as you're using it. So there's that information there. If you're interested in somebody speaking, I love to come into corporate environments. In the mind-body adventure, there are two products,

the art of strength, which is parallel with my book, the art of strength also. And also the art of posture. The art of posture is for the person who's not a workout person, but would like to have better posture, would like to alleviate that C posture, and would like to feel better sitting at their desk, you know? You know, I think that all of my work revolves around everybody needing a get over it practice so that they can look good and feel better. Everybody wants to look and feel better. And so I think the more we have ways of doing that, whether it's in the gym or doing a small

little breathing exercise at your desk just to get yourself upright, it's not about digging so deep all the time. Sometimes it's just about remedying that posture so that you stand those few inches or sit those few inches taller. So when there's a pot of people at a big desk in a corporation and you're the one who wants that promotion and you're sitting tall and available and open, you're going to be noticed. You need the standout peak performer. Yeah. I noticed that you look. Yeah, I notice I interact with people better when I use good posture, when I'm breathing well and stuff, you know, I notice when I slouch, you know, the breeding is very shallow, right? Yes.

Which is good because I'm not putting a lot of oxygen in my system. That explains why I fall asleep at my desk. No, I wish I, I'm 58. I wish I could fall asleep anywhere. As long as you don't fall asleep at the show. Yeah, exactly. That never happens because I have such a great guess on. That's why.

I learned stuff from them every time and keep entertained. But, yeah, I'm 58 now, and sleeping seems to be the issue. You talk about this, too, on your thing. Correct the computer crunch. on your website. Yeah. So like corporations will bring me in for wellness days. Oh.

And I'll have a little booth, a little chair. We do a little, sometimes little hands-on body work. I also do body work. I have a massage table right here and work on people in that capacity as well. Because a lot of the tension holding patterns, you know, massage is going to help you get it to start softening. So you can start to listen to what's inside. Listen to know what's inside your body, people. It's telling you to quit eating that McDonald's when you have that rock gut or that Taco Bell rock gut.

I've had that thing in the middle of the night where you're like, oh, my God is kicking me. Why did I eat that? Big Mac. It tastes good, and now it's just suffrage all night long. So all your programs are listed there on your website. And do we cover the app, the in-depth that we want to? to the mind-body adventure app? Yes, it has the two products, the art of strength, the art of posture, for the exerciser, for the non-exerciser, to be in their body in a more comfortable way.

So yes, both those. The art of posture is still being worked on. It's not quite done. So it's got a face, but it doesn't quite have a body yet. I'm in the process of working on that one now. Do you haven't anticipated a release thing? I actually do not. I'm one of those people that don't put that kind of pressure on myself because it,

I'm so in feel in the production that I'm not a forcer, but I am very committed. It will be done. But it'll be done. I'm going to guess by the end of this year. I have a wedding to plan this year. So things are getting interrupted by that. But my hope is that it's done by the end of the year. Congratulations.

It's now it's available on the app store for Apple and Google Play. And you get a first week free when you try it. You know, you can utilize it, train on it, and kind of understand how things going. got a few reviews here from Shape Magazine, New York Magazine, the Dance Spirit Magazine, the like the data you've shared there. Anything more we need to know about all the work you do before we go out? How can people onboard with you? What is your perfect client maybe look like or the ideal client that you're, you know,

someone who wants to work with you? Yeah, I love working with very ambitious, committed people. If you're just working out because your doctor said you have to work out, probably not my client. I like people who are curious about personal growth, people who are ambitious at their job and want to be like a peak performer. I like working with people who, any age, really, as long as they have the commitment. But the tendency is it's sometimes the younger people want to move faster and go, they just want to work out and they want to go heavy and they want to go fast and they want to do more and they want so i'm generally my clientele is on the more more mature

side not meaning old necessarily but grown up they're a little grown up they've oh you want people to grow up too it seems to be a lot of that to not growing up yet in this world you kind of when you start understanding trauma and people's psychology and a lot of the blueprints They inadvertently pick up, I don't know if inadvertently is right, but they pick up from growing up and how it shapes their whole life. You know, there's a lot of people that are still stuck in childhood. Yeah. And you kind of have to sometimes when they overreact, usually sometimes based on their trauma, you kind of look at them and you go, I see a four-year-old throwing a temper tantum in front of me. And that's where they're stuck.

And, you know, you can kind of look around the world and see a lot of us behave like children sometimes. I'm sure I do too, if not all the time. People in the audience are like, yeah, he's really, he's really funny, but he's like a child most of the time. But I don't know. I keep, I don't know, I don't have any jokes that I can make up there that are funny. I do think that your tendency is to be childlike, which is very childish. Oh, okay. And I don't think any of us enjoy ourselves when we're acting childish and throwing a tantrum.

It's not fun. But it happens and it happens to all of us. And I would say that, you know, we've all been influential. by our childhood. And do we get triggered by things? Everyone does. I don't think anyone escapes it. Yeah.

You know, this kind of work, this mind-body template, is good for everyone to take a look at and begin to understand that our mind and our body are together 24-7 our entire lives. And they are never apart, and they are affecting each other. So sickness and pain and... And all these things that we feel are being done to us and we have no control over, maybe we have a little more control over it than we think, just energetically to try to change some of the old wounding that just sits as sticky tension that stops life from flowing.

Yeah, I think we need to be able to send one of them on a vacation so they can take a break from each other maybe every now. Yeah, separate vacations. Excuse me. Yeah, separate vacation where they can, you know, maybe get separated. Because, yeah, living 24-7 with somebody can sometimes be a little odd. I've been living together with my brain and body for 58 years and we're all sick of each other. Yeah. You seem to be doing all right there, Chris.

Yeah, I suppose so. I don't know. We've learned to take better care of the body than we used to, you know, we don't drink the pop. And we have a pop every now and then. But only if I go out to eat, we don't bring a home. And I don't know why I'm saying we. I'm just a guy with two dogs. It's your mind and your body.

That's the way. Yeah, that's true. Thank you. Thank you for covering me for me there. I thought, man, the Alzheimer's really kicking in now. That or, you know, I do have my multiple personalities. It's about 20 or 30 of them. And whichever one's there, it's kind of a wee situation.

Yeah. So as we go out, give people your final pitch out to pick up your book, how they can reach out to you to get to know more, handshake you, you know, figure out if they're a client that you want to take on. Give us that pitch. All right. So the book that you want to go for is The Art of Strength, Scope the Body, Train, The Mind. And the website is Bodylogos.com.

What is coming, you can go there and you can contact me through the website, but my email is Mind the Body at Bodylogos.com. And if you're curious about the work, sometimes I do, annually I do an online course. So that's an option. one-on-one training is an option, virtually or live. And I have an upcoming book coming out called Radiant Wisdom. And that'll be out before the end of the year for sure. And that's co-authored with 17 other women.

And it's all about feminine empowerment. Ah, feminine empowerment. All right. Thank you very much for coming the show. We really appreciate it. It's been very insightful. And thank you very much. Thanks for having me.

Thanks for coming. Thanks for joining us for tuning in. Ordered the book where refined books are sold. The art of strength. Sculp the body. Train the mind. Get smarter instead of dumber or something. I don't know.

And work on that sea sitting, folks. I've had that all my life. I just, you know, I was born into a computer age and just sitting. Just, oh, you know,

one of the things I have to remind myself is get up off and then move about. That helps. Yeah. Otherwise, you're just sitting there. And the sea sitting gets worse. Like,

eventually by the end of the day, you're just sitting there. with your head on your keyboard going, what the hell happened? Maybe that was in the days when I drank. Anyway, guys, thanks for tuning in. Go to Goodrease.com, Fortesschast, Chris Foss, LinkedIn.com, Fortess Christchristch, Christfoss.

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Consult a doctor for any resulting brain bleed. All right, Tammy, oh, great shit.