The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – The Devils Pair (The Road Devils MC Book 4) by Marysol James

Episode Date: August 11, 2024

The Devils Pair (The Road Devils MC Book 4) by Marysol James Amazon.com About the Guest(s): Marysol James is a prolific romance novelist hailing from a small town in Ontario, Canada. A cancer survivor, she delved into writing after facing health challenges and career changes. Marysol has published over 30 contemporary romance novels across various series, including the Amazon and iBooks bestseller "Dangerous Curves and the Road Series." With a knack for weaving action, adventure, and steamy romance, Marysol's storytelling transcends genres. Episode Summary: In this episode of The Chris Voss Show, Marysol James takes the audience on a journey through her writing career, discussing her latest book "The Devil's Pair." With a focus on twin brothers from a motorcycle club engaging in a unique relationship, Marysol shares insights into her process, inspiration, and the interconnected nature of her book series. From battling cancer to diving into the world of romance writing, Marysol's evolution as a writer is as captivating as her novels' storylines. Marysol James elaborates on the challenges and triumphs of crafting romance novels that blend action, suspense, and intricate plotlines. As she delves into the intricacies of her characters' journeys, Marysol reveals the underlying themes of redemption, love, and the struggle to leave behind a dark past. Dive into the vibrant world of Marysol's MC series and discover the thrill of adventurous romance laced with unexpected twists and captivating characters. Key Takeaways: Marysol's unconventional journey from a corporate career to becoming a bestselling romance novelist. The intricate plotline of the Devil's MC series revolving around a motorcycle club's attempt to turn over a new leaf. The blend of adventure, suspense, and steamy scenes that captivate readers in Marysol's novels. The impact of Marysol's writing on readers, with several attributing enhanced intimacy and excitement to her books. The anticipation of future releases and the interconnected nature of Marysol's book series across different genres. Notable Quotes: "My readers were telling me, 'Oh my God, you must be so influenced by Sons of Anarchy.' To this day, I have never watched Sons of Anarchy." "I think it's about perspective. For some, it’s too much, and for others, it's not enough. But for my readers, it's the sweet spot." "The sweet spot, I think you have some books that are made for men on men, right?"

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etc etc and maybe you'll learn something too her latest book had come out called the devil's viking the road devil's mc book number three marisol james is on the show with us today we'll be talking to her her new book the book four in the series we'll get into here in a second we'll get the title from her as well so we're going to be talking to her about all the insights of what went into her writing books she was raised in a small town in canada or as i like to call it canada i don't know what that means a and it raised in a small town in Canada, or as I like to call it, Canada. I don't know what that means, eh? And it's still a small town, and she's still a small town girl at heart.

She's a cancer survivor, cinnamon bun lover, and hardcore caffeine addict. Cheers, cheers. Marisol crosses genres in her writing happily and enthusiastically. Today, she's published 30 steamy, sexy, slinky, contemporary, erotic romance novels spread over five different series. I'm just reading those verbs. It made my nipples hard. Including the Amazon and iBooks best-selling

Unseen Emmy, Dangerous Curves, and the Road Devil MC series. I've evidently written about me. Her books incorporate action adventure suspense military elements and some surprising plot twists and turn oh no his pants fall off again no i'm just kidding welcome to the show marisol how are you good thanks chris how are you doing i am doing excellent it's gonna be fun to have you i was, I was, I started, should I read that, some of that part? She's published 30 steamy, sexy, slinky, erotic romances. You know, maybe you should think about recording some romance audio books.

You've got the, you've got the voice for it, you know? Yeah. And then, I don't know, there's a joke there I'm not even going to run with. But my favorite part is why they always have sex on the beach all the time. I, you know, none of my characters have ever had sex on a beach. Really? I can promise you that. Because it's not, no, I mean no, it's not sexy.

It's uncomfortable. Yeah, Sam gets in all the wrong places, I hear. Everywhere, everywhere. There you go. No one needs that. That's Fridays around here. So give us, what's the title of your new book that's coming out Monday for release? It's called The Devil's Pair.

And it's the fourth book of the Road Devils MC, which is Motorcycle Club series. And yeah, it'll be out Monday on Amazon exclusively. There you go. Exclusively on the Amazonian. So give us a dot coms. Where can people find out more about you on the interwebs? The best place is my website, which is mariceljames.com. And everything is there.

All my media, all my socials, all my books, my newsletter, my email, everything is there. So if anybody ever wants to find me, go to my website. It's a one-stop shop. There you go. So give us a 30,000 overview of what's inside the new book. Oh, wow. It's hard to say without getting into the first three books, but in a nutshell, I can say that it's a story about twins

who enjoy being with a woman at the same time. So there's your sound bite. Twin with one woman at the same time. So there's your soundbite. With one woman at the same time? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a book about threesomes, basically. A threesome book. Is that what they call it? I don't know why they call it.

The pair, I think you said. It would be like a thruple, except part of the thruple is twin motorcycle club brothers. There you go. So this is where the sexy steamy slinky thing definitely comes my nipples are hard again there we go i'm doing my job there you go what what is this this now this is four of of four book series correct no there'll be a 10 it'll be 10 books okay so you're gonna keep right not even halfway through now every single member of the motorcycle club

is going to get his own book. That's the way that my series mostly work. I introduce the cast of characters in the first book, and then every book in the series after that. The couple of the first book, their story carries on throughout the whole series, but every book is focused on a different couple. There you go. And in this case, it's a couple of dudes who are twins, eh? Yeah.

Twin brothers. Twin brothers. Eh? Your Canadian accent is really good. I'm pulling out my Canadian, yeah. Yeah, I hear that.

About, about. There you go. I am a big Rush fan and Second City fan. I love Canada. Canada's nice. Everyone says I'm Ricky on Trailer Park Boys, but I don't know. I haven't decided.

I always think I'm the other guy because I used to drink a lot of vodka and carry around drinks with me all the time. You can't be Canadian without the beer. I'm sorry. Without the beer. Yeah. Yeah. It's got to be beer.

So tell us about your upbringing. How were you raised? When did you know you wanted to be a writer, or when did you start writing? Like you said, I was raised in a small town in Canada called Georgetown, Ontario. And the oldest of three kids, working class parents. And education was really, really stressed at my house. So I went on to university, got a master's degree in international law. And so then I basically started my career. I was in Poland teaching English for a couple of

years. And then I moved over to Guangzhou, China. I got into managing an English school. And then I moved over to Hong Kong for five years where I managed a bigger English school with a bigger staff. So I went really international, but also really business focused. That was really my thing. And then from Hong Kong, I moved to Warsaw, Poland, where I worked as the chief operational director of a huge publishing house. And so basically, I was brought up to work in business, international stuff. And that is what I did for quite a while. Did you do any writing? Was there any, you know, writing sort of inspiration going on? Were you thinking about any, you know, writing anything? It's kind of sad in a way, because when I was little, like really little, I wanted to be a

writer. That was my dream. And when I was nine years old, I was diagnosed, like really little, I wanted to be a writer. That was my dream. And when I was nine years old, I was diagnosed with cancer. And I was really sick for three years. I lived in the hospital. And part of what they suggested to me was that I write. And so I wrote a whole book about a girl who lived in the hospital. And it was this full length fiction novel that I don't know where it is now. I would love to read it. And that was when I thought to myself, I'd love to be a writer. I think that would be a great thing to do.

But my parents really discouraged that, unfortunately. And like I said, then I got on the master's international law business track. And I lost it a little bit. But before I got into romance writing i did publish a collection of short stories and i did publish two full-length contemporary literature novels that were across the board the critics and the reviews loved them

but nobody bought them except the critics but critics bought them and i know and so that was when i thought you know this is so i at the time i was working in business i was working in management and i was just writing for myself for fun but there was no money in it at all until the romance kind of happened and what brought you into the romance genre were you always was that always kind of your thing from when you started writing never you know i i had never read a romance novel i had never even watched a soap opera although my grandmother did and she kind of kept me up with all the plots not that i knew what she was oh god and it's just intricate i mean she was into dallas

and hotel i think but you know but i i was working as the chief operational director at the time when I lived in Poland, and I got sick with cancer a second time. Oh, no. And I was promptly fired. It was a company, yeah, based in Paris, based in France, and they just let me go. And I had a decent severance package package two years, but I was unemployed. So, um, a second, no, I mean, I lived in Poland, so the health insurance was really good, but no, so I was basically flat on my back dealing with chemo, nothing to do, nowhere to go.

And a couple of friends of mine said, you know, I had just finished writing my second quite heavy literature, contemporary literature book. And I said to them, I don't know what to do with myself now. And they said, why don't you write the exact opposite of everything you've ever written? So anything to do with law, academia, business, really heavy short stories, really full-length novels about really dark stuff. Why don't you write a romance? And I said, I wouldn't even know how to begin that. I haven't read a romance. I know nothing about romance.

And they said, exactly, exactly. It's so not you. Treat it like a little mental health vacation. Treat it like almost a joke. So we laughed the whole way through it, my two friends and I. We made it as stereotypical as possible. It was a sexy cowboy romance. And there was a city girl who inherited a ranch.

And she shows up and everybody hates her and she hates everybody and we just laughed and laughed and laughed and i wrote it in two weeks and i thought that was the end of it but my friends said no no no you've got to publish it so i said okay so i put it on amazon self-published it and just forgot about it completely forgot about it until money started landing in my bank account like significant like thousands of dollars and i'm thinking what on earth so i went to the amazon analytics and this thing had turned into a summer beach best-selling novel oh wow yeah it was a beach read. They were bringing the sexy cowboys to the beach.

And I thought, what on earth happened here? So my friends then said, start a Facebook page because people are going to be looking for you. They bought your book. Now they're going to know about the author. So I started a Facebook page. And suddenly people were saying, loved your book. It was so great. I loved it so much. It was just it was late. It was it was sexy. Where's the next

book? And I'm thinking, what, what next book? I mean, I barely wrote the first book. Don't you people know I wrote this because I was flat on my back from chemo and I laughed the whole way through it. But I had nothing to do. So I wrote the second book and I put it on Facebook. The book is now for sale. Here's the link on Amazon. Self-published. It was a bestseller.

And then suddenly they were saying, where's book three? And I'm thinking, I mean, by this point, I'm sort of like, I've earned $20,000 on three books in just a few months. It was amazing. It was amazing. Then I got tired of the sexy cowboys and I started my next series, which is called the Fighting for Love series, which is about MMA fighters. These guys own an MMA gym. They're karate guys. They're boxing guys.

So I did that. And that was a bestseller. And by this point, I had beaten cancer. And I was ready to go back to work, like looking for another management position. And then it occurred to me as the next royalty, you know, payments came in that I was earning more money on this joke, some romance thing that I was doing than I had ever earned in management at that point. So I thought to myself, like, why would I, what am I doing? I can work at home. I had two small boys by this point. My time is my own. I have the fan base. I've already written four books. I think I have a full-time job. Why am I looking for one? And honestly, Chris, that's fell into romance writing. I just fell into it. So it's a classic case of sometimes a job finds

you even when you're not looking for it. There you go. That kind of happened to our podcast back. I think five years into our podcast, things to be slowing down and and it didn't seem to really be being a thing and i think it was five or seven years in and so we were focused on a bunch of other stuff and then we started noticing apple came out with their thing where they started promoting podcasts and they decided to become a central hub and i started getting these messages like you where i'm like there's's sit down. What's going on? We haven't put up anything in a year or two on the podcast. What's going on?

Like, why is there's, and they just kept flooding in. I'm like, people are watching two-year-old content and they're liking it. And they're like, we better go make some more stuff for those people. That's kind of what reawoken the podcast after seven years. They're just like, well, shit, if people like something. And the content was all like a year or two old. We'd kind of taken a break and done one or two here and there. But I'm just like, they're watching two to three-year-old episodes on technology and CEO interviews.

And so, yeah, it's a wonderful thing to have when your audience is watching. But what were you kind of doing in between? Like you said, you were doing other stuff. We had multiple different revenue streams. So we do YouTube videos, review products, and we were making really good money on YouTube at the time, back in the good old days. And so that was a whole different thing. So we were kind of focusing on that. But yeah, once Apple re-injected a thing back into podcasting, it really took off and it was crazy. It's funny how one thing will just change the whole sort of course of your professional life, isn't it? Definitely.

So how come these covers always have to be so salacious? Oh, yeah. Because of my readers. Listen, Chris, I know my demographic. I know my readers listen chris i know my demographic i know my readers i know what they like i know what they're after i know what they buy yeah he's just people are climbing all over each other in the pictures and stuff i know and his shirt is ripped off her shirt's coming off no one's got their shirt on in any of these nobody nobody do you know actually i've had to there's been a few places like i one of my series is on audiobook the unseen enemy series is on audiobook and i couldn't use two of my original covers because

even though the covers are fine for amazon ebook and print book. The audio book is on ACX, which is then put onto Amazon and ACX has different standards. So basically I, I uploaded all my covers and two of them were rejected. So I had to design entirely new covers for two of my audio books. So yeah, they are, they,

they did. Some of them do probably go a little step too far in some ways there you go it's always funny when you look at romance novel covers because you're like that leaves nothing in the imagination there but i suppose it gets people to read it and get enticed by it i noticed you use tattoos on a lot of folks is that a big i do yeah because my guys tend to be ex-military or bodyguards or special ops or motorcycle club guys or karate guys fighters and you know bouncers what you'll find is the majority of these guys who work in these professions tend to be quite tatted up so yes definitely they do the tats they do the tats so now this is a part of a four book series that will eventually be,

I think you said up to 10. Tell us about the other three books in the series. It's actually kind of funny because I wrote the first book and then my readers were telling me, oh my gosh, you must be so influenced by Sons of Anarchy. And do you know, to this day, I have never watched Sons of Anarchy. So I know that I probably got my idea to go into the MC series, because I think Sons of Anarchy was just starting to get hot around that point. So it was something I'd heard about. I've written, my guys are former one percenter motorcycle club guys. And the first book begins about a year after the new president named Wolf Connor has determined to take the club straight. So they've dropped all of their dirty blood contract money kind of situation. They're out of the drugs, they're out of the drug running, they're out of the gun running, they're out of the prostitution, and they're trying to just live off their tattoo parlor, their bar, and their garage. So, this is the premise. This is where it begins. These guys are hardcore, but the ones who have decided to remain in the club are really trying to live

life like they're paying taxes and you know they're really trying to be on the up and up the problem with i think anybody can say with having had a bit of a past when you try to go straight sometimes the past starts to drag you back and this is what the first second third fourth books this is the thread through the entire series is these guys keep trying to do the right thing and nobody will let them do the right thing so I have planned the entire ten book series so I know where this inevitable kind of car crash is gonna happen and when and what it's gonna be but this kind of looming sense of dread and almost sort of destiny begins in the very first book and

it will just build over the series there you go it's godfather 3 just when i think i'm out they drag me back in that's exactly what it is yeah that's exactly what i keep telling my judge i'm like i tried to be good but then i was bad but it's everybody else this is what keeps happening to these guys is you know dead bodies keep turning up and murder and they have to keep killing people exactly right i call it mondays before caffeine but you know these poor guys they're really like honestly they're trying so hard to do the right thing and be the good guys and everybody's like yeah no we don't want you like that we don't want you to be the good guys you gotta be the badasses we're trying to stop all the murdering there are so many dead bodies in this series i mean i just keep killing

people left and right it's so satisfying who hurt you as a child no i'm just exactly right exactly right sounds like my backyard right now there There's something so cool about, as a writer, being able to just off terrible people in the worst ways you can imagine. Are you married? Not anymore. No, no. I joke with some of the married romance novels that are always murdering people off. And I'm just like, does your husband keep one eye open at night? I suppose it is worrying to be in a relationship.

I'm so creative. I'm so creative with it as well. We've had some ladies on the show that in their novels, if someone in life screws with them, they'll put them in their novel and kill them. You know what? Good friends of mine in Poland gave me a sign. I don novel and kill them. You know what? Good friends of mine in Poland gave me a sign. It's literally right here. It's above my desk. Can you see that?

Careful. It's backwards. Careful or you'll end up in my novel. Somebody gave me that as a gift and it's right above my desk. This is my writing area where I'm sitting and it's right there in front of me. Every once in a while I think, you mother... you're going in my book you're going in my book and i'm going to kill you two books from now and i do and i do pieces and everything and also i i torture a

lot of my characters as well so i'll skin them i'll drown them you know what they live they live they're fine this is supposed to be romantic it is it is you have to read it to understand but these mc boys are not yeah they're they're not they're not choir boys you know there you go it's hard to change your stripes what is that saying you can you can't take the ghetto out of the boy yeah i mean in my case you can you can take the girl out of canada you take can't't take the Canada out of the girl. You know, I played hockey as a kid. Oh, there you go.

That'll give you the spirit of murdering. I'm still a little bit elbows out, you know, in the street. So, shoulder barge people who won't move. If you've got to get through, you know, Target or something with, you know, elbows out. Living in China, like getting on and off the public transport in china it was elbows out all the way otherwise you were just literally kind of like pushed back on the waves of people yeah yeah thank god i'm tall and broad so i just push my way through anything and if it was a bunch of china people i would just i don't know i just i just post my arms on all their heads

and lift myself up you could i'm only five4", and I still towered over them, so you would be really fine. I'm 6'2", and I can give people a look like, you best get out of my way. Oh, there we go. And they'd go, he has resting bitch face. We should probably get out of his way. He looks like he's not right.

He's in the mood. So there you go. Tell us about some of your other novels. Now, do you have other series going on, multiple series that are threads that are running on different oh yeah yeah i have i mentioned the sexy cowboy series that's called open skies and it's five books and that series is done and then i mentioned the mma fighters series that's fighting for love and it's five books and it's done and then iseen Enemy, which is my only series on audiobook, and it's eight books and it's done. And then my other series is Dangerous Curves, which is about a dive bar

called Dangerous Curves. This is where the bodyguards and the MC guys and all the criminals kind of come in. And that's eight books and that's done. And then I have this series, which the fourth book comes out on Monday, and it will be 10 books. And then I have another series about wounded warriors coming home from war, who have joined a support group, and there's 10 men in the group, and each one of them will get their own book. And that's a, I've written one book of that series so far. And the thing about my series is they all do interconnect so a lot of my characters will wander sort of from series to series and i think of them like easter eggs for my readers because they get all excited when they're reading you know the mc series book and in walks king from the dangerous curve series because he's a he's a he's kind of a badass king.

He's got some skills. So whenever there's a situation that nobody knows what to do with, they look at each other and they say, we should call King. So King comes in on this white horse and saves the day. And my readers love that when King makes an appearance. He appears in this book as well. Just a little spoiler alert for my readers. You will see King again in book four you know what i was thinking they always have all these hot steamy sex scenes in in the books do you

have that oh god yeah very explicit you know what's funny though is no it's very but you know what's funny is is i read my reviews i and i've stopped reading them now after 30 books i'm like listen if you want to read my stuff fine if you don't want to read my stuff, fine also. But in the early days, I was really worried because of course, like I fell into this by accident. I didn't really know what I was doing. So I thought, I better see what the readers think. And it was funny because I would write a book, it would have, I don't know, let's say four quite steamy sex scenes. And I'd read a review that says, oh my my god this book was just filthy it was horrible I threw it out the window I've never been so offended in my life

and then the next review down would say these are the mildest sex scenes I've ever read I was bored yeah so I'm thinking it's about perspective I I suppose. So for some people it's too much. And for some people it's not enough, but for my readers, like my fans, it's the sweet spot. And I choose that word carefully. That's why everyone's after the sweet spot. Now, I think you have some books that are made for men on men, right? Am I saying that right? Yeah. I have one book that is to men and it's my only and it was kind of an experiment because i wasn't sure how my readers would feel about that because my demographic is largely women

but i had introduced the characters early on separately and then i thought you know what i wonder how it would go over to have a gay love story. And I'd never written one. So I just thought, you know what? What the heck? What's the worst that can happen? It tanks. And then I go on to book eight and everybody's happy again. But my readers loved it.

They loved the fact that I did something a bit out of the box, a bit adventurous. And it actually sold extremely well. I didn't see any dip in. But I think part of the thing is that people were invested in their story because I had introduced them for so many books, and they were kind of moving closer and closer together with every book. It was advancing. So I think it was inevitable that I ended up with a book for them.

So I was actually really gratified to get that response there you go hey people love hot sex no matter who's involved i guess that's what i discovered yes do you ever do you ever make a book where everyone is really hot but they're all bad in bed i think you should make books that are closer to reality do you think i should do that i'm not sure how that would sell. Do I put that under fiction or do I put that under self-help or do I put that under... Every sex scene is 30 seconds. And disappointing. Yeah.

Everybody turns over angry. Was that it? Nobody needs a cigarette. Yeah, nobody needs a cigarette. I used to have one of my girlfriend's girlfriend used to say, it's a little hard to fake an orgasm when you can't get past the second and i always thought it was a funny line she wasn't too happy with her boyfriend but doesn't sound like it no yeah but you know i mean great sex everyone's looking for great sex i

suppose hi some people are i mean sometimes i'm just looking for a good meal first sometimes sometimes you give me a lasagna or spaghetti or pizza or tacos i mean sex tacos i don't know it's a toss-up it's a toss-up back rub sex man now we're talking right i'm like a bear you give me a back rub i'll fall asleep do you know what's actually really funny talking about like bad sex and my books just let's just talk about this for a minute. I get messages from my readers who tell me that I saved their sex life and their marriage. Seriously. Okay. It's only been three emails over, you know, eight years, but still three emails and three marriages that I know of where they would read the sex scene or whatever, and they would kind of get all hot and bothered and then kind of go and you know kind of attack the husband or kind of say let's you know let's let's let's do

something a bit different you know i've just been inspired and i want to try something a bit different and he's game of course yeah and it's saved marriages and it's improved sex life so what can i tell you chris i uh hand more of my married friends your novels. Seriously. They need all the help they can get over that. Hand it over to your lady friends and you'll be attacked. You'll be attacked. That's why I always tell people, they're like, Chris, why did you never marry? I never got tired of being happy.

So there you go. What's in the future for you? We know you got the book rounding out coming up on Monday, but what's on the horizon beyond that? More books. More books. More sex things. that? More books. More books. More sex scenes. More books. This is the great thing about being self-published is I'm my own boss. I run my own schedule. I do all my own promotion. I design my own covers.

I do everything. I'm kind of feeling really positive right now. I'm feeling really energetic right now. So I already have my next book in the series, the fifth book, started. So I'm on a roll for the next book as well. Keep on rolling, girl. I shall. We have prolific authors like yourself we have on the show. And sometimes they're on the show about every four months.

We're just like, another book. Okay, okay all right put them on yeah seriously that i i mean i write a book when i when i'm on like when i'm really on and i can focus and it's just really going well i can write a book in about six weeks i know seriously it's it's so much fun i mean it's something that like i said i never planned to do i certainly wasn't educated to do it but it is just so it's just my passion now and it's so much fun and i love i just i love i love everything about it i couldn't picture a better job and the whole idea that i earn a living and support myself and my son on sex scenes is shocking but it's myFans, you know. Beach joining OnlyFans. But it's my life.

It's my life, and it's how it's going, and I wouldn't choose anything different at this point. Women love it. Have you ever been approached by a big publishing house to try and buy you up? Never, no. Never. No, and it's actually kind of interesting

because people keep asking me if any of my books are going to be made into a TV show or a movie. And I think it's the Sons of Anarchy thing again, where there was a series of motorcycle club series. And I keep thinking my son is in college right now studying film and filmmaking. And I keep thinking, you know what, maybe I should, but then the thought of having to sit down with my son and plan out a sex scene. I mean, I feel like that's traumatic for the poor child. So, no, but I would be so open to working with somebody, not a publishing house, because I've got friends back in Canada who work with publishing houses.

And if they get a book out every two years, they're lucky. I like my publishing schedule what i would like to do is work with a young filmmaker and turn some of this stuff into into short films or a mini series i think that would just be so great i would be so open to that yeah i think you need to get an agent for that sort of thing because we have people on the show and they have agents and they work out getting options to you know know, they sell the options to Hollywood and there's some pretty good money in the option business because whether or not

they make the movie or not, they pay you pretty good sum of money for the option to sit on it. I think you're right. You're just getting, it's 30 to 50 grand just for them to sit on your work and whether they use it or not and then eventually it times out and it comes back to you and you're just like,

that's 30 grand juice I made on top of what I already made. I've got a good friend in Canada who is with the publishing house. So she has an agent and her book has been bought and optioned and it's just sitting there in like, it's just sitting there in limbo, but the money is in her bank account. Yeah, the money's in her bank account. It's like, great. It's, you know, I've had, I've had some authors on the show,

they have multiple author, they have multiple options sold their thing over the years. You know, it gets optioned for a couple of years, then somebody else, they let it go, and then somebody else picks it up, and it just kind of swims around Hollywood. See, here we go. Look, look, if anybody listening out there is an agent

and they want to pick up an MC series or, you know, a Black Ops series, ex-military series, you know, call me because I'll talk to you about that for sure. I'm open to it. You know, we have all the Tom Clancy people on the show. We've had everybody except for Tom Clancy for some reason. And we have, and then they all usually, like you, have their own series and their own things they're doing with multiple books and plots and characters. Someone should do a hybrid that's a mix between a romance novel and like a Jack Ryan sort of novel where it's like Red October, only there's hot sex scenes somewhere throughout the book. I'm sure that's been done. Has there not been done?

Maybe not. No, maybe not. been done. Has there not been done? Maybe not. No, maybe not. James Bond, maybe, a little bit? A bit of that, yeah. But my books definitely have the adventure. I mean, like I said, my guys are sort of bodyguards and ex-military, and when somebody gets kidnapped,

they go and save them. And thanks, she has wild sex with them. There's a bit of that, I suppose. It's Friday. Friday's around here. Your Fridays sound awesome. They are, but it's

a lot of cocaine, hookers, and blow. We spend most of the weekend trying to recover. I was going to say. How do your Mondays feel after all that dancing and partying? It depends on how much cocaine we have left over. Anyway, don't do cocaine,

folks. Those are jokes. Don't get after me. Anyway, give us your final pitch on the show for people to pick up your book on Monday and your.com. Listen, Monday's book is going to be probably one of the hottest I've ever written.

I mean, I think it's something that my readers are really excited about the whole threesome thing. It was a lot of fun to write. My imagination went into overdrive and then another 600% on top of that. So, if you're looking for an adventure, if you're looking for romance, if you're looking for, looking for a sexy, this is the book for you. You can probably read it in four or five hours and double back and read the whole series. There you go.

Thank you very much for coming on the show. We really appreciate it. Thank you for having me. It was a lot of fun. Thanks, guys. There you go. It was very steamy. It was a steamy show.

Sexy. Slinky. Slinky. Slinky. I know I love the word slinky. It doesn't even make any sense, but people know what it means. Yeah,. Slinky. Slinky. Slinky. I know I love the word slinky. It doesn't even make any sense, but people know what it means. Yeah. There you go.

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