The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – The Green Glitch: What’s Behind the Devil’s Lettuce? by Jason Tremko

Episode Date: July 3, 2026

The Green Glitch: What’s Behind the Devil’s Lettuce? by Jason Tremko https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0GW9GWVPF Marijuana has changed. The conversation hasn’t. From 3% THC in the 1970s to today’s ultra-high-potency products, cannabis has evolved into a commercial powerhouse-reshaping culture, classrooms, and communities in real time. In The Green Glitch, educator, author, U.S. Army veteran, and 12-step recovery leader Jason Tremko brings a rare frontline perspective to one of the most urgent social shifts of our generation. Drawing from research, lived experience, and years working directly with young people and families, Tremko examines the rise of high-potency THC, the normalization of use, and the mental health questions many are hesitant to ask. This isn’t politics. It’s not nostalgia. It’s a reality check. Look for the accompanying documentary now streaming on multiple platforms, The Green Glitch extends the investigation beyond the page with expert interviews and powerful real-world stories. One message. Two formats. A conversation we can’t afford to ignore.

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book. He is a retired U.S. Army veteran, educator, award-winning author, and filmmaker, and a recovery advocate from Western North Carolina. After serving 20 years in the military, including nine years as a recruiting station commander, interviewing and meeting thousands of young people, he began noticing a troubling pattern tied to substance abuse, high-potency THC products. That concern deepened over his years as a high school teacher and youth mentor, where students increasingly open up about addiction, anxiety, dependency, and emotional withdrawal connected to modern Calvinist culture. Motivated by his firsthand experiences, he wrote his book and the documentary film that he's

made exploring the hidden impact of today's marijuana industry, especially on youths and family, through research, personal stories, and frontline experience, and challenges. Cultural assumption, including legalization, and asked difficult questions about normalization, addiction, mental health, and the future generation. being helped by high potency THC. Welcome to the show. How are you, Jason? I'm doing pretty well.

That's a good day to be on since we're only on Tuesday. Hey, that's right. No, you can say the complaints for Friday, but I don't know. I'm just joking around. So, Jason, give us to you. Dot coms. Where do you want people to find you on the interrupt, sir? Yeah, I'm pretty active on social media.

So YouTube is really my go-to. So if you go to YouTube, search JT books and films. Dan sign. That's the best way to find me. Or just search Jason Trimcoe book. and you'll find me on there. And you've got it on Apple TV, too, the movie. That's right.

Yep, yep, Green Glitch. It's distributed by BitMax out in California. It's on Apple TV. It's on Google Play and YouTube movies. All right. This is your first movie book, book, and or movie? It's actually my second book. But I figured, you know what?

Why not just do a film and a book together? I'm out kind of doing the film circuits right now, and I've actually made it into eight different film festivals. Oh, really? Yeah. Got Best Documentary. out of four of them. So I'm pretty excited about that. Maybe you have a future minute. Future is one of those documentary folks, eh? Hey, you know, who was that guy, Michael Moore, I think, did that. And then the guy

who did the McDonald's thing where he ate McDonald's for 30 days. He kind of did a whole series of other things. And so, yeah, if you kind of get that genre of talking about stuff, people like it, they'll follow you. So it was a 30,000 over you. What's in your book in the movie? So basically, when I, when I started this project, I was thinking it's going to be a difficult project to get into. Obviously, it's kind of not a popular opinion to be writing about the negatives of high potency marijuana. But when I actually started researching, I found a lot of stuff that was kind of like right in front of my face. It's obvious. It's in plain sight. It's kind of hidden in plain sight. So it actually ended up being a very easy project to write about. And I was like, I'm going to put my

skills together with video editing, turning into a film as well. And it's been pretty well received. I've been kind of surprised because 70% of people are. are in favor of legalizing marijuana. The first thing I want to say is I'm not here to demonize people and say, hey, you shouldn't be smoking weed. My job is just to educate people. And I'm more focusing on how it's affecting kids because I've spent a lot of time working with young people, youth and kids.

And there's a major problem that people aren't really seeing at that level. So I'm kind of trying to bring that to the surface. Their brains are still developing, right? Yeah. Of course, I know some people on Twitter who have that. Might be the owner. We use that a callback joke, kicked Twitter around. And I'm never going to call it whatever.

What name they're calling now? Anyway, jokes aside. Yeah, and I'm someone who's lived in Las Vegas for 25, 30 years now or something like that. Something like the 20 plus years. And there's a distinct line between addicts who have addiction personality types and the people that don't. I've been one of those people that, thank God, I don't have an addiction personality. Otherwise, I'd probably be broken up in the down by the river. Now I'm living up from the river when I'm still in a van, but I'd be down by the river.

But in Vegas, the statements I think they make on people that are addicted to gambling, drugs, alcohol. An addictive personality is going to addictive to anything, picking your nose, whatever. Although that's probably safer than gambling and alcohol and drugs. But I don't know, you could just bleed yourself to death. Anyway, sorry, there's a lot of macabre horror shit going through my brain. But so we had a horror author on yesterday who had some great, great things. But I've seen the difference between people that have addiction in Vegas and at Carat personalities of people that don't. And I think most of us don't have addictive personalities.

But the numbers they state in Vegas for people that are addicted to stuff are way, it's just PR that they're just putting. There's way more people. I swear to God, it's 30%. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think it's kind of the same thing with kids and high potency marijuana. I kind of lived it out with my own kid.

And that's what kind of really made me get into it. I was like, what's going on here? I saw it as a military recruiter for my nine years, how it kind of had that pull on kids and they wouldn't get up the weed. They'd rather smoke the weed than to go make something of themselves. So I kind of saw it, but then when it hit home with my own daughter, it was like, wow, there's more going on here than what people realized. And then I started seeing those same patterns and kids at schools.

And I was like, man, this is something that needs to be discussed. Yeah, and I imagine is these, what are those things, those electric cigarettes called? Your carts and your vapes. Yeah. Yeah. I've watched people adapt to that vape crap. And I'm like, didn't we have this stuff with smoking? I grew up in the smoking era where they eventually got rid of most of it and created a social stigma where enough people.

Every time I'm talking about a smoker smoking outside a building, I'm like, they still make you? Like, but somehow these vape things. things became like a thing. And the kids love it because, you know, they got the flavors of child flavors of cherry. And I don't think they ever had cherry cigarettes. Maybe they did. I don't know. I never smoked any, so I wouldn't know. But yeah. And so I can see why this is a big problem. You talk in the book about how in THC was maybe 3% in the 70s. And now it's ultra high potency. Talk to us about that research. Yeah. Like you said, 60s and 70s, it was 1 to 3% typically. There's a major narrative.

thing because if you meet people, I'm 43. So if you meet people my age are a little bit older, when they talk about marijuana, they'll say things like it's not addictive. Or I could quit cold turkey, but that's because a lot of times they're associating with what marijuana used to be. It's not the same drug anymore. My daughter, the very first time she used marijuana, it was at 60% strength. Oh, really? So, and that's, that's very common. I was actually talking with the sheriff out here a couple days ago. They just found a 500 milligram gummy at a middle school eighth grade. Oh, wow.

That's not the place for that. Yeah. I can't even do a 500. I can't, I don't even do 50. Give me a break. 500. Yep. So imagine like smoking this stuff all day long like my daughter did.

She got to the point where she was all day. She'd have to wake up in the middle of the night to be able to feel good in the morning. And eventually led to her having cats. of an anoid hyperamesis syndrome, which is a newer thing that doctors are finally starting to acknowledge. No, it's basically if you don't have marijuana in your system, it makes it where you can't eat. Oh, really? Yep. So my daughter, when she would try to quit, she would end up puking so much.

She'd be sick all day when it got to the point where she was like, I'd rather just stay smoking because it's easier than to try to quit. It's almost like an opioid withdrawal. Yeah, it really is. Yeah. And that's because she was using up to 90% strength with these waxes and oils and stuff that the kids are using. So it's a lot of people don't realize that that's happening to the young people. And that's mainly what they have access to. They can't walk around school smoking a blunt that smells up and down the hall.

They're hitting high potency products that are very high strength. Yeah. Years ago, my first run in with marijuana, no, it wasn't my first run. My friend would always try and get me high smoking it. It just wouldn't work for me. And I have a high tolerance for drugs, which has actually been pretty good to keep me out of trouble, I suppose. And then one day I visited his house in California after California had legalized marijuana. And I was 350 pounds, a very large guy.

And he tried to get me high at a couple times, and we'd burn through a lot of marijuana. And he, that was a hundred bucks worth of marijuana. And you just, you feel nothing? I'm like, yeah, I, sorry, man. I just think got it. Any other drug in the same way, I have a high tolerance, even Tylenol. I have to take three or four Tylenol to do what normal people would do with one or two. And he gave me a cookie.

And he goes, I got you a cookie. Maybe this will work if you eat it. And it was a hundred milligram cookie or something like that. And I never really consumed the thing. And I said, how much should I eat? He goes, you should probably eat half. And I go, and I go, okay. And he goes, no, I just eat the whole thing.

because, man, you're really fighting stuff. Man, I went through the worst freaking ride of for 24 hours where I was throwing up and going through hallucinations. And I think I threw up everything that I'd ever eaten in the past two weeks. My system was clean by the time I was done. And it was really bad because I definitely eaten out way on my thing. And so I stayed off of marijuana for a long time. But now the doses I take are like 10 milligrams, 15 milligrams.

And I can't imagine a 500 milligram gummy or even 100 running around some kids that have never done that before. And they're young and small and they have no, they have no, what's that where you build up a. Yeah, tolerance. Yeah. And just imagine most of the kids, if you actually watch my documentary, I have kids that are on there that they started 10, 11 years old with this high potency stuff. And interestingly, if you go around, I would challenge it or anybody listening. go to a Walmart or something, run into a kid that looks like they're about 13 or 14 years old and just ask them how many people, what percentage they think in their school actually smokes.

Most of the kids that I've talked to, they're going to tell you 75, 80 percent. And this is 10, 11 years old. While people are celebrating legalization, they're not realizing that this is affecting kids at the low levels, the young ages and it's leading to, like I said, CHS. And the fact is, 44.7% of users are advancing onto harder drugs. Yeah. And I really believe that, I really believe that smoking is just not good. Yeah.

With these electronic cigarettes, there's been a bunch of these weird things where you, you have people that are in their teens on, on oxygen vents, where their lungs are gone from the complications, some explode in your face, some of the cheap ones. Yeah, two students had to get their lungs pumped. It was crazy. Really? They could do that? It looks at all, man.

Yeah, it doesn't at all, man. Yeah, it doesn't at all. I'll stick to edibles. And the addiction thing, I've had friends that they do the same thing with cigarettes. They've got a, they'll wake up in the middle of the night to smoke a cigarette, just like your daughter, to smoke the blunt. And I'm like, dude, if I reach a point of, where I can't, where I can just be like, yeah, I'll get that later.

I drink pretty heavily for most of my life. And I had to drink heavily because, like I said, I have a high tolerance. It had to be half a bottle of vodka or whatever. And I get a basic buzz as most people would. There's a lot of consumption that has to take place. And so I drank pretty heavily for a long time. It was like energy juice. I got stuff to do at the end of the night, drink some vodka.

Oh, I got two or three more hours of drive time and get my stuff done. but I wasn't up in the middle of the night. If I ran out of vodka and it was past hours to be driving or I had gotten some in me, shouldn't be driving. I just be like, fuck it. I'll just get some tomorrow, whatever. It was never a big deal. But for my friends that have addicts, I've had addicts friends that they'll drink for alcohol,

they'll drink the hairspray. I had a girlfriend who drank hairspray, which you couldn't get booze. It was the other thing they would drink. It's just nasty shit. What they would do, oh, Vicks, Vicks stuff. It's got a little bit of alcohol in it. That's all they're looking for. They're looking for that hit.

He's doing that overseas. That's crazy, man. And I imagine if you're doing marijuana, they don't let you in the military, right? You're recruiter. No, they don't. Yeah, and that's actually one of the things that really interested me because it's like marijuana had such a high pull on these kids. They'd rather live in the worst living conditions knowing they need to join the military,

but it was just too hard to give up the marijuana. Yeah. So I have trouble accepting that that, that's not a problem. Yeah. You don't want to, these are the best years of life. You don't want to tune out.

I built, I started building multi-millionaire companies, but my first company I was 18. I built our first two multimillionaire companies at 20. These are the best years of life. I'm always telling my niece and nephew that I'm like, I would kill an evil person to be your age again.

Like, for real. And they're just like, you would really murder somebody? I'm like, if they were evil, they'd have to be really evil. But I would do it because I would kill to be 20,

especially if I, I could know what I know now. And you didn't start marijuana usage till 2017, I think when Vegas legalized it. And so I was a grown adult. And even with booze, with booze, I quit. I just, one day, I just, you get old, your body, you look at booze and you get a hangover. Your body's just, fuck you, we're not doing this anymore with you. And so I just quit.

Same thing with Mountain Dew. I used to drink 10 to 50 Mountain Dews a day. I just quit one day. That's what kept you going on the show. And so it's, it's, but I. don't have addicted personality and my brain was fully developed by that time and I don't know my I didn't really start even drink until 30 so I skipped the whole youth getting into the whatever I think I was trying to cigarette when I was like 12 or something that was like so gross and I was like spit that out

but you know if you have addictive personality I like to say living in Vegas I've seen that a lot now it says you're a 12 step recovery leader have you been through the addiction process or recovery process or did you get involved in that with your daughter? Yeah, I worked with a 12-step recovery program back in Virginia, you know, quite a few years ago. It was after that, actually, that I went through it with my daughter. So then it kind of, once I started writing this book and the film and everything, I was kind of like, you know what, I'm going to get back into this. And since then, I've made the connections out here in Western North Carolina. And we're kind of just working together to, we're actually working on a grant right now out here to, to expand the recovery options because

there's not a lot of options for people. There's a lot of people struggling with addiction, especially out here in Western North Carolina. So we're trying to give opportunities for people. But my work is more focused on the underlying factors, you know what I'm saying? Because, again, 44% or excuse me, 44.7% of marijuana users will advance onto harder drugs. Yeah. So that's almost half. So in my opinion, we got to take the drugs out of the, out of the kids' hands. Yeah. I was lucky my advancement into cocaine, all different. was giving me a post nasal drip that was in, I felt like I had a cold. And then a little bit of coffee rush.

And I was like, this is it. But I have that high crazy tolerance. And I'm not like, everybody's different. He falls to do that. I'm really lucky I had that. But, but yeah, I can see how people get into other things. And a lot of times what you talk about is addressing the underlying issues. Yeah.

One thing I noticed is, is like, I started watching the rehab shows back at WEC when they were kind of hot there for a while. The one guy, Dr. Witch's Face from an MTV show had, I forget his name, but he had a, he had a, he had a, he had a, he had a, he used to have a sex show with one of the other podcasts, first, early podcasters on MTV. And, and then he had a rehab show. So you could see his, I think it was Lachianano or something in California. And but you could, they have these stars come there and all these people. And what became apparent watching these shows is that a lot of people that use drugs, They're trying to medicate either some sort of childhood trauma or issues that they have. And if those could be addressed, that would really be a thing.

A lot of people that abuse drugs are medicating the trauma that they have unresolved. A lot of times it's sexual trauma in childhood. And so they're going to go through life just constantly trying to medicate the pain when really someone needs to sit down with them and be like, let's talk about your childhood. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, a lot of the kids that I've talked to and interviewed and stuff from my book and filming and whatnot. That's, you're exactly right. A lot of times that's where it started from.

Yeah, yeah. And so, sitting down with those people and getting them help, a lot of times if they go through recovery with counseling and stuff, and they can deal with those things. Yeah, you mentioned about the potency thing. So right now in America, most states, there's some that you can't. I think California just add themselves the list. But most states, you can order under the farm bill. from just about anybody across the nation in any format of you can offer you can get the 500

milligrams the 100 milligrams you get in all different variances and you can have delivery to your house in a state where it's technically illegal to have marijuana yeah and somehow there's kind of I guess some weak and nod I guess as long as you don't buy enough to come across as a dealer or selling it that'll get you in trouble yeah that's that's interesting too because still even in states that it's legal to consume recreational. It's still illegal to consume it while driving. And like I said, I pill back the onion. And actually, one of the things that I found out was in Montgomery County, Ohio, they actually had researched some coroner reports. And they found out that 42%

people that were killed in car crashes actually had marijuana in their system recently used. And Chicago, excuse me, Boston University actually took it to the federal level. And they analyzed the Department of Transportation Records and found out from 2000 to 2018. That's a long period of time, 18 years, that cannabis-related deaths actually more than doubled. So it's kind of consistent with what Montgomery County found. It's illegal to drive in all 50 states while consuming cannabis. You're impaired. And if you take, like I take cannabis at night to fall asleep and with the edibles and even next morning, I'll feel still inhibited. I'm not going to go driving. and stuff. It's still obviously in my system.

It's good that you could be honest about it too, because most people, they won't be honest about it. They want to fight me over over these tough conversations. No, I mean, there's probably, I've often wondered how long it stays in my system. It may be my system for 24 to 48 hours. Yeah, like I take two Benadryl, I'm done for hours, man. It's crazy. That stuff knocks me down.

Yeah. And you can literally order this stuff anywhere in the nation. I'm looking right now. I don't remember on the companies that I use, if they ever check my real, ID or validated that I was of age. Some of these companies, some wacky, every time, I'm probably going to start getting ads now because I just Googled 500 milligram THE. But yeah, we shouldn't.

I'll look at this. But yeah, so you made the film of it. But yeah, this is a big deal. If young kids should not be able to get a whole of these drugs and other things, their brains are still developing. And we certainly wouldn't want to end up like people on Twitter. Yeah, that's really interesting. The sheriff I was talking to, this guy told me, and I,

didn't even know this. This is interesting. I know it's in North Carolina. It may be federal. I don't know. But apparently there's no age limit for somebody to purchase cannabis. Probably on the end of the farm bill. But not for cannabis. So that's something that in my opinion really needs to be changed. It's a weird thing, this farm bill that I was like, it's illegal in some states. Like one of my friends wanted me to ship some marijuana supplies down to Texas. They were visiting Texas and were flying in from Australia. And I'm like, I can't do that. It's fucking Texas, man. Yeah. Yeah. They don't, they're not, they're not really the most excited THC people down there, from what I understand. Yeah.

And yeah, you don't want to go to jail. But evidently with this farm bill, you can send this stuff anywhere. But even, even kids getting hold of stuff. So there was like a, my stuff is locked up and it's high on a shelf and stuff. But my dog, a couple months ago was in the backyard. And he was exhibiting maybe he had a poison a spider bite. He was some sort of poisoning. And it was a pass-out poison.

And the only time I ever seen it is when my puppy was bitten. She tried to chew up a spider and a bitter, and she was so small, and she was succumbing to health collapse. And she was falling over and couldn't stay awake, and we had to rush her to the yard. And so it was that same sort of thing, but someone suggests that looks like cannabis poisoning. And I'm like, there's no way that she would get mine. And then I realized that we have all these young kids that throw shit in my yard on all three areas. Utah, there's a lot of kids here. And way too many kids, I think.

And so they throw shit in my yard. And I don't know. I'm like maybe somebody just thought it was funny to throw maybe an edible in the yard or whatever to see what my dog would do. But yeah, when we took him in, I don't think he exhibited anything that would. I think we tested for that. We did a big blood test on him. But it's dangerous stuff, man. A baby gets a whole.

Can you imagine a baby got a whole of a 500 THC thing? Yeah. Some teenager thought it would be funny to give it to a dog or give it to a baby or somebody who is not suspecting it coming. And that's just way, number one, way too much to start with, if anything. And then I think there needs to be more determination. Like in schools, we need to talk about people who have, people who have addiction personalities. Yeah. Yeah.

Because I can walk. I've had friends that have addiction gambling problems. And of course, they're all the same. They smoke, the drink, drugs, whatever. Whatever it is, they're addicted to it, eating too much when they gave up cigarettes or something. And so I'll take, they're like, hey, I want to go to. the casino we'll go down the local casino and me i walk in there and i see all the opulence and i go yeah this game's rid against me fuck i'm not playing it but he walks in and he sees the like

kid to can't shut dude he will he will become he will change he'll become another person and it's like they're obsessed in a in a in a thing and they're just like almost like hypnotic and you're just like hey dude wake up man yeah what are you doing on the real head table here man let's go get some Indeed. So that difference in identifying those people early on and letting people know, hey, by the way, you have an addictive personality. That would be great to know early on because then maybe you can have some conscious awareness, maybe, of you can get into. It seems like a lot of the students that I run into because once I started kind of seeing and talking to my daughter and helping her through her stuff, I kind of picked up on the trends. So the morning sickness and stuff like that. So I would see the kids coming to school. and instead of just, you know, beating around the bush about it, I just ask them straight up, you know, are you smoking pot? And they trust me.

They know I'm not the type that's going to write them up and send them to the administration because I understood after going through it with my daughter that it's actually addiction. You know, I started just ask them straight up, are you smoking pot? And then I would ask them, do you like it? Do you want to keep doing it or do you want to quit? Most of the time the kids actually, they want to quit, but they know they're addicted to it. And most of the time, they've been using for a long time, which actually right now I'm running an ad that's titled, 60% of parents don't know their kids are smoking high potency products. And that's actually the stats right now. 60% of parents don't know that their kids are using.

And I was one of them because like I said, my kids, she was already addicted to high potency products by the time I find out. Wow. She's using for two, three years. And most parents don't have a clue. Kids that are struggling in school. and actually some of the stats that I've read are showing that marijuana using kids under the age 18, they're twice as likely to drop out of school. You got kids that are struggling.

And one of the kids on my documentary film, his name's J.B. So if you see the film, he actually came to me because I helped him out getting clean and stuff. He'd been smoking since he was 11 years old, struggled all the way through middle school, high school. And now he's making straight A's. That's good. Yeah. He came to me and said, hey, can I talk on your film? Yeah, that's awesome.

I shares his story. So I think the big thing is parents need to be aware and realize that it is a problem. It is an addition. That's starting at a young age with kids. And we got to start having the tough conversations. It really interferes with the learning. I can't imagine. Like I said, I didn't start drinking until my late 20s.

I was busy running companies. I didn't have time off. And then I really didn't start cannabis still 10 years ago. I don't know. No, hold on. 26 minor, no. Anyway, whatever it was when Vegas started. Clearly, clearly I'm taking too much TSC.

The brain is going that or I'm 58 and the brain's going one of the two. I've done too many podcasts today. But I'm just old folks. That's just it. The brain's gone. But yeah, being at that age where you're in development, your brain's still developing, you're still trying to figure all your stuff out. The reason I like THC, and I only use it at night to go to sleep.

I have, when you get older, you have trouble sleeping. It's like they go, hey man, if you're old, you got to sleep eight hours, you're going to die. You're like, I'm going to die because I can't sleep eight out. Your body is in this weird state when you get older. You get five hours now, it is. Yeah. And so I take THHC mostly sleep. It's a bedtime pill that I take and I go sleep like a baby.

Do I want to drive a car? Hell no. I don't want to do anything. Sorry. Now, are you taking CBD gummies? I think there's CBD in the THC. Yeah, yeah. I got you. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, okay. And so I sleep. And I'm not driving anywhere, but like you mentioned before, it's really become a problem I can tell because I see there's lots of road signs from the, from advocates and please, hey, if you're buzz driving, you're, you're, you're under DUI. You're under control. But I can't imagine being young doing that when you're trying to function and build a life and become something. I waited long down the road. Yeah.

To where I had a lot of control. Thankfully, too, with social media and all those things. The kids that grow up with the shit nowadays, there are so much pressure because they have to feel like they conform to all the fake millionaire fronting on Instagram and crap. So now, you mentioned CBD. Is there also same issues with CBD? No, no, no, that's a whole different. That's a whole different product. So, yeah, I don't even, I don't even worry about that. Some people, some people like CBD.

I call it, I call it liquor light or marijuana light. But somebody gave me some CBD stuff. And I was like, that's really cute. It's nice. I don't know what that did, but I guess maybe whatever. But yeah, it's young people, and especially these high things, I got to check. I don't even know if they check for my driver's list. I think they did take my driver's assistance, it's accompanied, but there's now so many of them that are doing it now.

So who knows, maybe you can probably find somebody who'll give you a wink in and an odd and slide one by it. Yeah. Now a lot of people don't realize there was a kid actually, Texas, like you said, they actually just prosecuted a kid. I think he was 17 years old. I wrote about it in my book. I can't remember his name, Ralph Head. But he actually killed, I think it was five people,

and they put him away for life. They prosecuted him for high potency marijuana in his system. Wow. They know they can prosecute people with it now, as you can't see how recently it was used unless you're going through a corridor report. They're working on developing testing methods that law enforcement can use. Because again, if almost half of people getting killed in car crashes,

have marijuana in their system, is that a reason for concern? In my opinion, it definitely is. It says here that THC stays in your system. I'm just Googling this from anywhere from a few days to several months. Yeah, and that's the thing, too. The old school marijuana, like 30 days, people would go to the store. You'd take some, you know, what's that juice? Everybody would drink cranberry juice or something, cleared out your system.

Yeah. But now the modern stuff, that stays in your system for 90 to 120 days. Yeah. I learned that when I was a recruiter because I'd be like, dude, there's no way. You quit smoking. I haven't used it in 60 days. And I'm like, no way, dude. So, but now I understand.

Yeah. This is your chronic daily use, 10 to 15 days, chronic heavy use multiple times daily, 30 to 90. I remember staying with my one friend who had an addicted personality. Yeah. I remember I was crashed at his house in California. And I heard some in the middle of the night. I got up because I was like, I know, somebody, break in the house or something? What's going on?

And I think my dogs were barking. And so I got up and he was outside smoking at 2 a.m. or 3 a.m. I'm like, dude, it's freezing fucking cold out here, man. What are you doing? Yeah. If I woke up in the middle of night and I was like, that'd be nice to have some vodka. I'd be like, yeah, I'm not.

I'm asleep. Bye. Good night. Shut up. Do it tomorrow. And I mostly have used between alcohol and pretty much to go to bed at night. I don't know. Drinking and thinking you're sleeping better is the dumbest thing ever.

And I did that for 20 years. Imagine taking 90% in a cart while you're dropping off your fifth grade at the school parking lot. You see people vaping all the time. And you don't know if they're vaping cigarette stuff or that's legal technically. Some people are doing both. Yeah, they're doing both or they're doing the one. But man, you go to California. You can damn smell it, man.

Oh, yeah. I just went to California. And anytime around LAX I was standing around outside, it would just come from everywhere. And I was like, holy crap. Oh, yeah. I'll actually be out there. Yeah, I'll be out there this October. My book was, or he is a finalist for the International Impact Book Award.

So I'll actually be out in Hollywood this October. But I usually tell people, the stuff that you can smell, I'm less concerned about that. The stuff that you can't smell is what the kids are using. And that's that high potency stuff. Yeah, the edibles too. Yeah. So that's. Even chronic, what is it?

What is it? What is it here? Hair follicle test can pick up 90 days. Yeah. Yep. Wow. Some can pick it up forever. The, and it's an interesting.

thing. But yeah, what do you, what's your, you work with the military and stuff and have worked with the military in the past? What are your feelings on, on veterans that are using it for PTSD? We've had a lot of people that show that like it for that. Yeah, I've done a lot of thinking about this. You're not the first person that's asked me that. Here's what I would tell people. And I wrote about this in my book. If you look at how many people are on antidepressants, okay, to include veterans for PTSD and things like that, I get it. I've been there. I've got my combat tours in. I get it. been there. There's a large percentage of people that are on antidepressants. You could do a simple

Google search and look up the dangers of using high potency marijuana with antidepressants. In most cases, it's actually making symptoms worse. The antidepressants themselves are known to have side effects that can cause suicide. We're the second largest suicide community in the United States. So you're already at risk. You're taking antidepressants, but now you're smoking a whole bunch of high potency marijuana on top of it. What do you think is going to happen? And it's the same thing with kids because, and I wrote about this, my daughter, she started struggling with anxiety and things like that.

So what do we do? We take her to the doctor, try to get her some help like any good parent would do. Doctor asks her, are you smoking marijuana? And of course, she says no. She doesn't want to get in trouble. They can't tell the parents. They can't tell the school because they're in trouble. Administration, they're going to get in trouble if they're smoking pot right at school.

you know, they lie to the doctor, so then the doctor prescribes them antidepressants. Then the kid continues to smoke the marijuana. High potency products, 70, 80, 90 percent strength on top of an antidepressant. Parents are like, what's happening? Why are my kids' symptoms getting worse? So there's something I wrote about. But I think in regards to your question, it definitely affects the veteran community. And I think a lot of times we may be making situations worse instead of better without even realizing it.

Or we just don't want to be honest. about it. Yeah. And one of the reasons I should post that why I waited until I was in my late 20s and early 30s, I would have been in my 40s, I think, when I started marijuana. 40s. One of the reason I waited is because my

parents read us the Riot Act on drugs from a very early age. And they were Mormons and they were take drugs or even caffeine if you're Mormon. You do now, after the Mormon Church bought the Coke Facility Company, then they made it okay. It's weird how that

works. They have a trillion-dollar investment company. But they're also church. But yeah, so my parents drilled that into us and they put a lot of fear into us and told us a lot about a lot of addiction issues. And my grandfather had died from alcoholism. He was one of those guys who had addicted personality and he had bottles hidden everywhere. They had Randall Holmes and properties he'd oversee and different things. And when he died, they found like all these hidden vodka bottles And so I'm lucky I didn't pick up the disease from inheritance from him, but of addiction. But it's something that, you know, a lot of people that have come on the show, a lot of the veterans we found the show that talk about PSTD, I really feel for him because they have a lot

going on with that. And I had one time I took a drone up in my neighborhood in Vegas to film some fireworks, and I flew it right up into the fireworks. And then I put the video up on the local next door. I think it was so all my neighbors could see it. Everyone loved it. And a couple weeks later, this guy wrote me just desperate. He goes, please, are you the guy flying the drone over my

house? You're triggering my Iraq. I think a drone's coming from me over the thing. And I'm like, sorry, but that's not me. I'm not been flying lately. My brother, Fourth of July, he cannot. He has to wear headphones, put music on. So, yeah, it affects everybody different.

For sure. Yeah. It's a challenging issue. It sounds like you've got some techniques in there. that you have that are for other folks or for the future, what maybe we should do or some best practices maybe that we should start doing. Yeah. My big thing is change the narrative. You know what I'm saying? We can't talk about marijuana as being the same as it used to be. You can't just say, oh, it's just weed because it's not just weed anymore. We're not talking about 60s, 70s, 80s wheat. High potency products is a whole separate problem. We need to be careful

by acting like it's not a big deal because again when you do your research kind of like I literally have hundreds of points here I could talk about yeah and I see the positives I see the negatives and I understand the positives because I've talked to a lot of people I've had people who lost their legs or struggle with major cancer or anything like that they've reached out to me and told me that the marijuana helps them like you say it helps you sleep things like that and I'm not here to say don't take it like I tell everybody that's only one side of the story. Yeah. I'm focusing on the other side of the story because of the things that I see with these kids and I see how it's leading them to to bigger addictions. Because in America,

we talk about a bigger problem with drugs. Everybody says, I want to fix it. But when you look at marijuana as a root cause for that addiction, nobody wants to talk about that. So you can't really say I want to fix the problem, but then you don't really want to fix the problem. You know what I'm So you've got to start being honest. You know what I'm saying? Look at the root causes. Now, Australia, medical marijuana, they're doing a great job, in my opinion, because they actually maintain medical marijuana in a pharmacy.

You actually have to have a prescription for it. So now you know you're getting actual marijuana at the dosage that is prescribed to you. I'm fully in favor of that because that shows the real deal. People that actually have prescriptions, it's the real deal. Most people in America are self-proclaimed. medical users. And that's actually proven. I've data to back that up. And over half of medical users actually meet the criteria for cannabis use disorder. So it's no different than abusing

percissette or the other drug. You know what I'm saying? The big thing is we got to change the narrative. We got to start calling it what it is. And that's a hard pill to swallow, no pun intended, for people who use. And that's the other thing too is be open-minded. I didn't write this book to get rich. 70% of the people are. are for legalization, but most of the people that I get feedback from are people who abused the drug for many, many years. I haven't had a Canadian because recreational is legal there. He was a dispensary owner, and his kid actually was using high potency products, stacked

with medication. It led to him committing suicide. Oh, wow. Yeah, you don't want to be stacking stuff. Yeah, but that's what the majority of people are doing. Almost every kid is on an antidepressant and they're using. Focus on the problem. In California, you're right, there's some fluffiness in there.

In California, I remember my buddy said to me, he wanted to give me the 100 milligram cookie. My buddy said to me, he goes, it's so easy to get the medical card. I'm like, really? He goes, yeah, you just go in and they kind of coach you a little bit. And they go, yeah, just tell us you had a migraine or something or back ink, something they can't really track down, roaming pain. Yeah, and they're not looking for it.

medical. You know what I'm saying? Call it with this. I just want to get high. He just want to go high, man. Yeah, let's call it what it is. And that's, that was his case. He'd smoke the illegal street marijuana all of his life. And then when it became medically, but I was surprised. I'm like, yeah, you just go in there and they go, do you have migraines? And you go, yeah. And they go, okay, here's a prescription. Yeah. And I'm like, it's that. It's that easy. Yeah, now I think you can actually do it online. My daughter was telling me that. Oh, seriously. Just go online. And so the big thing, you know, the message I'm trying to get people to understand is that 70% of people want to legalize marijuana, but we're not thinking about the effect that that is having on the kids. Yeah.

So before you just rush into that, you know, peel back to any, because I'm not saying don't get your marijuana. If you, if you have to have it, it helps you. Yeah. But do it the right way. You know what I'm saying? Go get a, go get a prescription or because it's like you, you got to think about how we're impacting the future generation. We're already struggling with recruitment numbers in the military. Right now we're doing pretty good.

But I was just at a conference because I'm an ROTC instructor. And I'm listening to them talk about, they're concerned about the future of officers because less than 10% of the whole United States even qualifies to serve as the military. With weight and being out of shape. That or drugs in your system. Yeah. So I don't want to have a draft. I don't want to go back to that.

But what are we doing to make it better for the? We should bring it back. A lot of Gen Z is kind of tuned out from what we're, from what the studies and the data is showing. A lot of the young men, they don't want to really go do anything. They're not interested in marrying and wifeing up. And some of that relates to a dating problem, feminism and different other issues that are separate from that. But I wonder how much that's drug, drug influenced, maybe. I'll tell you this. My daughter, she wanted to go in the medical field. And she would tell you everything. She shared her story in my video and in my book. She would tell you.

She wanted to go into the medical field. The reason she didn't go into the medical field is because she was scared she couldn't pass a drug test. Wow. And I can tell you a lot of people don't go into career fields because of that reason. Yeah. They may not admit it, but it is 100% true. Yeah. And it's not a good place because you have access to more trucks.

Yeah. Yeah. I just saw this TikTok video. I think it was one of the videos from who's that guy who does the documentary from all the people who've destroyed themselves. white something. He does these videos of people that are prostitutes on the street and people that have really had some bad times. I think I've seen some of his work. Yeah. You know what I'm talking about. Yeah. And this guy, I just recently saw the video, he was a hospital doctor of some type. And he literally was stealing drugs from his hospital. And it got so bad this wife kicked him

out of the house. He lost his hotel room. He lost his car. He was literally living at the hotel. or I'm sorry, at the hospital. He would be the first one to show up in the morning and then the first one, the last one to leave, and people were starting to figure out. And he was steal drugs from the morgue. Evidently when you die in your hospital room, they take all your belongings, they throw in a bag,

including whatever medications you were taking. You know, whatever is all just your property. And so they pair it with your body when they put you in the morgue. And so he found he could go out in the morgue and just rifle through and find all these drugs that no one would ever really track if they were there or disappeared. And so he was making kill. And then at night, he would just go hang out with crack dealers at their crack place, palace, and smoke crack with him. And then he'd be back at work. And it was crazy. So, yeah, that's probably not a good place to be when you have access to free drugs.

Yeah, I know in the military, if you ever had a history of smoking weed, you're not able to go into the medical field. Oh, yeah. You don't want somebody running a gun or a billion-dollar mission. or an F-16, whatever, and they're high. Yeah. It's not going to go well. Yeah, and that's what I'm saying like that. Yeah. That's what I'm saying like that narrative is so important because when we're just like,

oh, it's just weed. Yeah. You're stopping people from careers that you're going to need in the future. That's just one area, one angle of the problem. Do you think if you legalize it and put in good rules and regulations like we have with cigarettes and alcohol that might help? Let me put it to this way. So this stat right here will blow your mind.

Okay. And it's really shocking to me that nobody talks about it. Are you on your computer? Yeah. Just Google how many vapes are FDA regulated as of today? Are approved? Do you want to go with approved? Yeah, or approved, yeah.

Okay. 45 specific vapes. 45. Okay, so here's what I want you to consider. So 45 as of today. Okay. From 2019 to 2024, the FDA received 21.6 million applications from vaping products or vaping companies, 21.6 million. Okay. Wow. And as of now, you just said 45. 45 products. That's all that's approved. So right now in the United States of America, almost 90, I think it's 93% of vapes that are sold are illegal. are illicit. And nobody's talking about it.

Why? And the other thing, too, is that there's a company out of California, believe it or not, they're called Infinite Chemical Analysis. Okay, they reported that 80% of the products that they tested were illicit and 62% of them were tainted for high pesticide levels. And 40% of them fell for high lead levels. Some of them were over 300% the legal limit of lead. So how is nobody talking about this stuff? Back to your question, when you look at stats like that, you can see it's not going to work.

What should have happened was we should have saw the warning signs. And I laugh about it all the time because I'm like, do you think back to COVID days, right? Time frame. What was the big reason everybody said I don't want to take the vaccine? It's not FDA approved, right? It's not FDA regulated. I love to say that. But yet almost all vapes on the market after all that amount of time,

are still illegal, illicit, and not FDA approved, and yet we go buy them up by the millions. Yeah. And kids are the most vulnerable. Yeah. That we celebrate it. Adults are celebrating it. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? We need to take this into account and deal with it. I remember with the smoking fight and battle that went on for decades with who was that company that had most of it? There was books written about it. Nabisco, NBC Nabisco, Nubisco. But it was apparent. They had some smoking ads,

had the earliest subconscious stuff put in them, and they finally advertisers agreed they were going to stop doing that. But I remember the cool ads, they would have the word sex or something in the smoke, or there was all sorts of sexual innuendos. The camel had basically a penis on his nose. And then the camel, one of the attacks they made on it, was it was designed to appeal to children

because it was like a cutesy animation guy, right? And so they started shutting that down. And with these vapes, there's blueberry, there's mango, there's all this stuff that clearly you're appealing to kids. Yeah, yeah. I don't give a shit what my animals taste like. I don't give a shit what my, you do have to tap off some vodka. But when they're offering these things, one of the reasons I took one drag of a cigarette at junior high. I went to someone to brought and tried smoking cigarettes.

was the key was it tasted awful. It was like coughing and sputtering and I'm like, this is gross. I feel like I have an ashtree in my mouth. And that was my first experience and it was my last experience.

And that was good. But if you were to put blueberry or mango or other juicy fruit crap in there that made it sweet, I mean, I can see that. I can combine it with a marijuana cart at 60% strength.

That's what kids are doing. So, yeah. It's wild to me. So people can check out your check at your book they can check at the movie and all that good stuff and all that good stuff what you're doing give us a final pitch out for people to order all those stuff up and integrate with your things reach out to you if they're questions etc etc yeah i i would love for you all to reach out to me have a friendly conversation i don't mind debating people i like hearing all sides of the

story i would just encourage people to have an open mind but hear both sides of the story it's not always just the positives you need to talk about you need to talk about the negatives too and i try to bring it from a I guess legalistic way, so to speak. You know what I'm saying? You can laugh. We can joke around and stuff. But I also try to talk about the true facts. Everything in my book, I got a copy of it right here.

Everything in my book, I have over 130 references that are all reviewed on here. And actually right now, Chicago University has my book. University of Kentucky has my book. And like I said, it's a finalist for the International Impact Book Awards. It's been peer reviewed. It's one awards. everything I'm talking about is research-based. I'm not a doctor.

I'm just a normal person who's concerned. And if I can find this information, just like kind of what you just did right there, Googling it, just right in front of our faces. Just have an open mind, be real. You can find me at YouTube, Jason Trimco Books and Films. I got a bunch of stuff on there.

I got Facebook. Same title. Just look up. T. Books on there. We'd love to chat with you. Maybe you're a parent who, you know, wants to learn more information because in an hour,

we barely touch on everything here. But if you're a parent who's concerned, because like I said, 60% of parents don't know their kids are using. So if you want to know more information, my book is a good reference for you. My film is a good reference for you. It's $2.99 on Google Play on YouTube movies.

I think it's the same price. It's $2.99. So go watch it. It's 56 minutes long. I'm going to give you a lot of stuff to think about. Yeah. Go watch it, folks, learn some things.

And I like they used to say to my GenX slash, kid, parents. It's 10 o'clock, do you know where your kid is? You need to be involved with your kids and talking to them and know what's going on. I see too many people that are just totally tapped out. Parents that just live on their phones. Yesterday, I was at a eater burger joint, and somebody had three or four kids, and the parents were just locked into their phones.

And the one kid's trying to tear down the umbrella that's on the outside patio, the burger joint, and he's standing up on the, and he's this little kid, he's standing up on the table. So if he takes a tumble onto the cement, I want to see a kid get hurt, right? And he's also trying to destroy the property of whatever. And these people are oblivious. The kids are running out screaming at the top of their lungs. And I see that a lot in a lot of places now where the tuned-out parents,

they're just locked in their phones and their kids who's raised in hell. You've got to check in with your kids. You've got to keep open dialogue. You've got to pre-talk to them. My parents put the fear of God and death and drugs into us at a young age. They were talking to this way early before we could ever come into contact with it. And I think that was really important. And it kept us away from drugs.

We were kind of like, oh, that sounds like a bad thing. Yeah, lead by example, right? It's illegal to drive in all 50 states. Put the blunt down while you're driving. What are you teaching your kid? That's true. If you've got a big booze cabinet and dad's getting hopped up every night in front of the kids, but he's going, hey, don't do as I do.

Yeah, they're not going to take you serious. They're going to end up just like you. Yeah, they're eventually going to break into that cabinet. We did that when we were kids with our friends. I remember we broke into the beer, the beer hidden area of our, of our parents. So anyway, and the Playboys. We found the Playboys too. That was big back in the day.

We ain't never going to be perfect, you know what I'm saying? But try to be the best that you can be. Just remember kids. You don't want your kids turning out like me. Yeah. Just care. That's what boils down to. In CD drilling, he's been learning a lot of stuff.

Wow, that's shocking. Do as I say, not as I do. I was going to say that line. Thank you, C.D. So thank you very much for coming this show. We really appreciate Jason and very insightful. And, yeah, more things need to be done with our children. Yes, sir.

To prevent these things. And I've seen the vape things where it burns their lungs. And it's permanent. You're fucked for life. Yeah. Lung and all that stuff. Popcorn lung, that's it. Yeah.

That's crazy, man. So that's why I always, never mind. I'm not going to do a joke. So that's why I always mainline my alcohol. No, don't do that, folks. I'm just joking. Anyway, guys, order up his book where refined books are sold. The Green Glitch, what's Behind the Devil's Lettuce.

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