The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – The Mass Killer: Six Case Histories That Tell Us Why by Gerald Schoenewolf

Episode Date: October 23, 2023

The Mass Killer: Six Case Histories That Tell Us Why by Gerald Schoenewolf https://amzn.to/473rfzt The United States as twice as many mass killings than any other country in the world. In 2018, there were 18 mass killings in one year. Many critics say it is the accessibility of guns in the United States that is the cause of the mass killings. But guns have always been available in the US, particularly since 1781, when the second amendment was passed granting citizens the right to own guns. But mass killing began to multiply at the end of the 20th Century and continued to do so into the 21st Century. People kill not because they have guns, but because they have an urge to kill. The urge to kill is brought on either by an emotional disturbance or a cultural disturbance or both. The urge to kill many people is brought on by an even greater disturbance. Mass killers are the products of dysfunctional families and dysfunctional cultures. The traumas of childhood and the frustrations of living in a dysfunctional culture lead to the eruptions of mass killings. This book probes the minds of mass killers and the meaning of their killings. It begins with an introduction to the psychology of mass killings, then offers six case histories of some of the most notorious mass killers in recent American history. It ends with a chapter on how to prevent mass killings. About the author Gerald Schoenewolf is a New York State licensed psychoanalyst, a former adjunct professor at the Borough of Manhattan Community College, an author of 30 books, an award-winning screenwriter and a filmmaker. He was born in Fredericksburg, Texas, a small town where everybody spoke German, and he came to New York at the age of 19. He has worked in New York ever since. His books include 14 works on psychology and psychoanalysis as well other nonfiction works; also nine novels and a book of poems and drawings. His book, "Jennifer and Her Selves," was a top paperback seller in its first edition by Dell. His screenplays have won first prize in film festivals in the USA and the UK, and have been in the finals of several other festivals. He produced and directed two of his screenplays, "Therapy," and "Brooklyn Nights."

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Because remember, stories are the owner's man's life, as Chris Voss used to like to say, as if I can quote myself in the third person and people think I'm completely insane. But if you've been here for 15 years, you know that I am. We have a gentleman on the show who is a multi-book author. He's going to be talking to us about his latest book and some of the insights that went in behind it. Gerald Shanoff is on the show with us today. His latest book is called The Mass Killer, Six Case Histories That Tell Us Why. So this should be very interesting.

Just came out July 28th, 2023. He is a New York State licensed psychoanalyst. Maybe you can tell me what's wrong with me. Well, we don't have that much time. We only have like half an hour, not 10 years. He's a former adjunct professor at the Borough of Manhattan Community College and author of 30 books, count them, an award-winning screenwriter and filmmaker. He was born in Fredericksburg, Texas, a small town where everyone spoke German.

Do they still do that? And he came to New York at the age of 19. He's worked in New York ever since. His books include 14 works on psychology, psychoanalysis, as well as other nonfiction works, also nine novels, and a book of poems and drawings. His book, Jennifer and Herselves, was a top paperback seller in its first edition by Dell. I think one of my personalities is named Jennifer. Let's see. His screenplays won first prize in film festivals in the USA and the UK.

He's been in finals and several other festivals. He produced and directed two screenplays, Therapy and Brooklyn Nights. He published all of his novels himself, and he joins us here with his latest book, The Mask Killer, Six Case Histories That Tell Us Why. Welcome to the show, Gerald. How are you? I'm fine. Tell Us Why. Welcome to the show, Gerald. How are you? I'm fine. Thank you for inviting me on the show. Thank you for coming on the show as well, Gerald.

Give us dot coms. Where do you want people to find you on the interwebages, sir? Well, I have a website called dr all of my books on it called thelivingcenterpress.us. Okay. And so people can go there and check out your book. By the way, there's also a site called themaskiller.com. Ah, that's a good one to have. That's a great title, too, for dot com. It's hard to find dot com titles like that. So, you've written 30 books. What motivated

you to want to write this book? Well, I was just disturbed, like I guess most of us are. I'm deeply disturbed, actually. Not about your book, but yeah. Yeah, I was disturbed about how many mass killings there are and how they keep mushrooming. You know, in, you know, like the 70s, we had maybe one or two mass killings a year. But right now, this year, we're having them almost every other week uh we we have twice

as many mass killings as any other country all those things caused me and i didn't like the explanation that other people were giving for why we have these mass killings so So I decided to do a study myself and see where that led me, which led me to a different place than most people. And you're, of course, using your background in psychology, psychoanalysis, and digging through those. Why did you pick these exact six case histories that you cite in the book? i picked them because i i thought they were representative of mass killers uh and um you know they all had things

in common mass killers are generally young men generally young white males, although there are exceptions, and they generally feel, suffer from depression and, you know, hopelessness. They have a lot of rage. All of them have a great deal of rage inside of them and in my book I came out with a new theory about rage where wherein I categorize three categories of rage rage one which is someone who has rage but it's still functional and rage two which is somebody who is scarcely functioning and the rage is leaking out in different places in their lives and then stage three the rage has built up so much that the person cannot contain it anymore and it explodes out in a mass killing and so uh so those are the functions you identify these with. Are these six case histories the six worst killings in America?

Yes. One of the killers, the man who killed 61 people in Las Vegas at a festival, I think 61 is the most highest rate of mass killings. Sadly, yes. He's in the book. And he was kind of wasn't he different than a lot of

mass killers you see nowadays? Most seem to be very young, kind of incel teenagers or young men. I thought it was kind of interesting that he was kind of older. I mean, he's kind of our age. Yes, he was older. He was different from that point of view.

But he shared most of the other traits. For example, he was an externalizer. I'm sorry, an internalizer. An internalizer is someone who holds on to their anger. And so the anger just builds up inside of them. They never learn the skill of handling their anger as it arises. A healthy person, you know, takes care of their anger as it comes up and it goes away.

These people are not able to do that, so it just festers inside of them and builds. He was similar to many others that I've written about in the book. There you go. Now, do you break down whole profiles, psychological profiles on these six people? Do you psychoanalyze

them in the book and say here's are you able to identify there's a point where they stepped off the map and took that started going down that dark road that many people don't take? Yes.

Each of the six case history starts out with a the the narrative of the killing itself uh so i i i found all the details i could about each of the killings and i dramatized it because i'm also a novelist so i dramatized it then i went to a uh to their childhoods i tried to find as much information as i could about their childhood so that the next section is what happened how they were born uh you know for example uh one of them was this Korean guy at Virginia Tech, who killed about 23 or four students. His childhood was, all of these people had traumas in their early childhood. And for him, what happened was his mother, he was born inorea and his mother was matched his his mother was forced by her her father to marry this man she didn't like she was an educated woman and and

he was a blue-collar worker who had nothing in common with her um and so then she she had to marry him. And then she right away was forced into having children. First was a girl. And then the second one was the man, Chow, who I wrote about. And when she had him, she had postpartum depression. Postpartum depression is a very, very traumatic thing for a child. Because when a woman has postpartum depression, it means she doesn't pick up the baby. She lies in bed all day depressed. She doesn't pick up the baby when he cries.

If she does pick him up now and then, it's with an angry face. And a baby feels those vibes. It feels the angry face. It feels the anger in the body posture and in the way the mother hugs the baby. The mother doesn't hug the baby with tenderness when they're

going through this depression so when this happens a mother can go into this uh this kind of depression for months or maybe even a year and research has shown that such babies end up with a lot of developmental arrests there's one one theory that says that autism is caused by this. And this boy did develop a kind of autism, and he could not really relate to anybody, couldn't relate at all. So that led to his growing up very, very disturbed and unable to negotiate any kind of relationships. He was an isolated person.

And which one was this one? This one was like in the, I think, around the late 80s or early 90s. Maybe later. I wrote the book about a year ago. Okay. So your thesis in the book is that guns don't kill people. It's people who have an urge to kill. And the urge to kill is brought on by either an emotional disturbance or cultural disturbance or both. And you believe, correct me if I'm wrong, because this is kind of a question I set up for you, that guns aren't the problem, because

we've had guns since 1781, according to the thing here in the Second Amendment. It's this urge to kill, and this disturbance that seems to be prevalent. What's causing this? What are the

mass killers' products of, according to your book? Well, I want to just uh address about guns first um you know um yeah you you're right uh guns have always been available but but uh mass killings have been a recent phenomenon that started out in the 70s and it's the last last few decades and um you know people think well if if we banned all guns then that would stop the mass killings i don't think so i think mass killers are madmen and they would get guns from the underground they that they'd get them wherever they could get them so uh they're just disturbed people and it's it's not guns that that can do the mass killings it's the disturbed people that's true there's a lot of people that have guns uh that that don't go on mass killings now and i was was reading earlier from the bio on the book,

the description of the book, so I want to make that clear. Now, also in the description of the book, you state that mass killers are the products of dysfunctional families and dysfunctional cultures. The traumas of childhood and frustration living in dysfunctional culture is what's leading to the eruptions of mass killings. So do I understand that correctly? That's the premise of your book.

And what are these dysfunctional families? I mean, it seems like every family these days is dysfunctional. Is there something special about the makeup of certain families? And what part of our culture is the dysfunctional? I'm asking you. I probably have some guesses. But according to your research, what is the dysfunctional portions that are contributing to this?

Well, I think dysfunctional families are in all walks of life. Yeah. walks of life yeah i i think that as we became a uh a happy successful culture and this happens to all cultures i think throughout throughout history when cultures start to become successful and have more leisure uh then they start to decompose the the things that held them together in the beginning start to fall apart and so so adults are more interested in in doing other things than parenting parenting is a lot of work it's a complicated thing it is a lot of work yes It's a complicated thing. It is a lot of work, yes. Right? Are you a parent?

No, I'm not. That's why I'm not a parent, actually. I'm lazy. But it's a lot of work and it's probably one of the most complicated jobs that anybody can do. I agree. You know, you have to be healthy yourself to be a good parent. And most people aren't.

They don't prepare for it, and they just drag whatever sort of traumas they have from their childhood. Right, right. So I think parenting and families have deteriorated. More than one-third of families are one-parent families nowadays. Yeah. And that doesn't work. That brings, that brings me to an interesting theory, um, that people have about this sort of thing. Um, we've seen, uh, we've seen, and I don't know if you've studied this, but you know, we've had people like, uh, Warren Farrell on the show

with his book, the boy crisis, why boysuggling, and we're still seeing it now, where boys, you know, the rise of this incel generation, we're seeing boys not going to college anymore, not interested in becoming providers and protectors. We're seeing an increase in single women that can't get into relationships.

You know, it's projected by Morgan Stanley that childbearing women between the ages of what is a 25 to 44 won't be in relations or have kids, uh, by 2030. And the prospects don't look good for them if they want to try and have a family after that. Um, the, since the sixties, we've seen the increase of divorce rates in single-parent homes, particularly single-mother homes, since that time. And if you study the rates of people who are in prisons, people who have all sorts of social problems, they come from single-parent homes. and a lot of these, according to Warren Farrell,

and a lot of the studying you can do on some of these killers, is an absentee of fathers. Do you think that, I don't know if you've read any of this sort of studies, or do you find that these hold any weight to the bearing of what caused these killers to be triggered? Yes, I think those are definitely facts. As I said, I think it's more than a third of families have one parent, and it's usually the mother, like you said.

And absentee fathers, it's a big problem because boys who grow up without a father they don't have a someone to model how a man's a and even even bad fathers are better than no father most of the time that's true that's just true or at least that's true in my opinion and for what I've seen and read, you know, the other thing is we've moved more towards, without alpha fathers in the home, we've moved towards an emotionalist society. and i grew up we didn't have to put warning labels on stuff you just kind of had to know in a darwinism form that if you jumped off a bridge it would kill you you didn't have to have a sign that said if you jump off this bridge it will kill you if you wrap your head in plastic it will kill you we didn't have to have any of that because we either just knew

or it sounds harsh but darwinism would fix the problem with people who are too dumb to figure it out. And probably, you know, I hate to be mean, but that's kind of what Darwinism is for, is to flush out the weak and embrace the strong. But we seem to have moved from a society that's like that since the 60s where emotionalism rose. And it became, we went from a logic and reason society to an emotional society. And these boys, instead of being programmed with fathers and alpha fathers in the home who taught them logic and reason and a stoic sort of control of their emotions that uh they became more feminized these young boys especially if they don't have a father in the home uh and in doing so they tend to act out in their rage i mean there's a reason these are young boys always doing this there's a reason these boys are usually incels so they don don't have relationships that are healthy with women because they've never had a father show them how to be sent your way, maybe how to date and stuff.

Do you think there's any merit to the theory that I'm suggesting? Oh, yes. I think there's a lot of merit to it. I think that I have to say something controversial. I think and this was in my book that the feminist movement has been you know destructive to the family and to boys. I mean I think a lot of mothers you know feminists talk about toxic masculinity and things like that. And I think that that's a model that many, many women follow. And so there's a new double standard now with regard to girls and boys.

Boys are seen as toxic as soon as they're born and treated that way. And told they're toxic by their teachers, which are largely females now. I mean, males have left the business of teaching. We've had psychologists like yourself, child psychologists, who come on and said, yeah, the schools aren't a healthy place for boys anymore. I don't think they're healthy for anybody, not for girls. They raise, you know, narcissistic girls, you know, who don't know how to have a regular relationship with a man. And social media probably contributes to that as well. You know, the stats are real. I mean,

if you pull the stats, these are according to the U.S. Bureau of the Census and Department of Health. 90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes. 85% of all children exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes. This% of all children exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes. This is the U.S. government, Center for Disease Control. 85% of you sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home. They're literally filling our prisons. You wonder why our prisons have exploded? This is it.

You wonder why the shootings have exploded? This is likely it. 80% of rapists motivated with displaced anger come from fatherless homes. 75% of adolescent parents in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes. 71% of high school dropouts come from fatherless homes. 71% of teenage pregnancies come from children of single parents. 70% of juveniles in state-operated institutions come from fatherless homes, and 63% of youth suicides are

from fatherless homes. Those are facts. So, you know, and so I think you're right that you know, these dysfunctional families, fathers not in the homes, fathers being removed in the homes, is a

real problem. You know. I was writing about this today that I hear this from people that go, I can be both parents. I can be the father and the mother. We don't need one of us. I can do both. What do you think about that sort of mentality? That's a rationalization.

Obviously, you're very informed on all of this. You just quoted all those statistics which are true so yeah and so so there's the problem with the family dysfunctional families but then the the young man grows up in a culture that is dysfunctional you know we have a culture that's divided but and but it's it's like violently divided and and uh and and um you know i talk about how this got started in the book i i believe this got started with the uh vietnam war uh you know that's the first time that that liberals started to protest in violent ways. You know, the Vietnam War protested students usually started taking over campus buildings,

and the police would come and they'd show they'd throw bags of shit at the police or bags of urine or rocks or whatever, and people got killed. That was the first time we had violent riots. Before that, it was peaceful protests. After that, the other movements, the black rights movement, the feminist movement, gay movement, the transgender movement, they all followed suit. They all had violent protests and they all, they didn't want, they didn't try to use constructive language. You know, Martin Luther King used constructive language when he was organizing his peaceful protests.

But the constructive communication went out the window. So eventually, as the liberals and militant liberals started to become more violent, then there was a backlash from the conservatives. It takes two to fight and so yes both sides have been fighting and uh it's uh it and this divide affects everyone in the country just as if you have a family where the mother and father are divided and fighting it affects all the children. Yes, most definitely. I mean, I can sit, I can sit across from people and I, I can, I can see traumas. I can tell you if you're, if you, if you're grew up with your mother or father, I know what abandonment of father or mother looks like. Uh, and I can see a whole life

and, and go, here's, here's where that was affected. Here's where that affected, and I'm sure you can too. I've studied this a lot because it's been interesting to me to try and understand why these shootings are happening, why they're increasing. I think you're right. We move from a society that went from something that was logical and reasoning to more of an emotional society, as I said before, let me offer you this, uh, theory too. Um, in the sixties, we saw the rise in the starting of the collapse of the family union.

And, uh, we saw the right, and you can, you can go right to the charts and the facts on this. So if you think it's my opinion, I mean, and you're out there hearing that and believing that go, go pull the charts. Everything starts to go off the rails in the sixties. Um, family unit breaks apart, the rise of single parent, uh, the divorce rates, you know, we're all animals. Our internal paradigms are to breed, are to procreate and make families, especially as men. I mean, we have a paternal sort of protector sort of thing that we get off on, protector, provider. And when we get success, we go and form families in fact we usually marry who's ever in front of us at the point that we're at um the uh when people can't uh when when when

people aren't meeting when people aren't getting together when people aren't seeing a future together and being able to exercise or chase down their biological function to procreate, I think they get angry and violent whether they realize it or not. Do you think maybe that sort of sentiment that started settling in in the 60s is what kind of led to that violence? Yeah. It's kind of a side, what do you call it? It's not a direct thing, but it's a side thing. Like, I think a lot

of the incels now, that's the reason they're angry and you're seeing them shooting stuff up. Well, I think that love and power are on opposite sides. If you're able to love, if you're able to be attached to other people and experience

love you don't need power but if you don't have that the more you don't have love and and affiliation in your life and the more you're going to look for power and the people who join these these groups like the the black rights group and the feminist group and gay and transgender they they're doing it for power they're they're people who have who are not able to function normally in their lives are have love and affiliation you know love nurtures but if you don't have it then then you seek power yeah because you're trying to re-establish the balance of of a masculine and feminine and and you're basically you're breeding paradigms well i mean we basically have this need to breed and

procreate and create families it It's, it's our, it's, it's everything. It's why we do everything, you know, for a young man, the reason you get a job, the reason you buy a car,

the reason you dress nice, the reason you shape your whole life is so you can provide for a family so you can attract another woman. And I believe women, you know, they do the same. They spend all their time trying to figure out how to attract men. And it's because we have these internal drives that we are supposed to propagate the species.

And, uh, you know, you can put all the fancy stuff on top of it, but that's our drive. But I think the more, I think I'm not sure that I would blame it completely on the liberals or black people or lgbtq i think generally people people if they cannot um achieve their paradigms to breed and and uh grow then that's their issue because these are mostly white boys that's the other interesting thing about it now conversely i'll have people argue with me about you know what we've been talking about stats so far and. And they go, yeah, Chris, but every kid who has a single mother doesn't go out and shoot up a school. And so somewhere there's a separation between, you know, kids that grow up with this thing and then kids that really go off the deep end. Where do you think is the lane that they get off on that is the biggest problem in spite of all these factors?

I mean, you know, just not everybody who has a dysfunctional family lives in a dysfunctional culture shoots up school. No, it's a matter of degrees. It's a matter of how dysfunctional it is. And these killers that I've written about in this book all had extremely dysfunctional families. And so it's a matter of that. And then culture, our culture right now, I believe there is more prejudice against white men than they are the scapegoats of society right now and

everybody every group gays Feminists blacks Transgenders that they're all You know making white white males the scapegoat And so these men grow up in this atmosphere and they're not even allowed to defend themselves if a white male says, well, but, oh, you're just a white male saying that. So they can't even say anything. And so that blocks them up even more and stirs their anger even more. Well, as you said, and then they turn to power, and a gun is power in the way they see it, and they fantasize about it.

I wonder, too, there's a nature to all these young men that they don't have girlfriends. Am I correct in that assumption? Yes, they have no. So they're incels, usually. They're isolated. They don't have any girlfriends they don't really relate to men except that they form they become allies with other mass killers yeah so weak men uh go to weak men and see this is the other reason i think is because i my understanding is most of them don't

have strong alpha fathers in the home and uh they have father abandonment issues or whatever the case is. The father's been removed from the home. And so they don't have the example of a healthy alpha male, masculine male that teaches good masculinity and healthy masculinity to them. And so they're just lost boys, if you will. I don't know if you think that's... Yes, yes. We have a whole generation of lost boys now, for sure. We do.

I mean, when you see how many of the boys falling off, not going to college, not pursuing families, not dating, there's so many social problems to all that. You see that a lot of them can't afford to date or get married or have kids or get a house with, you know, the economy being the way it is. But, you know, this, it's really interesting to me. We have these young men that don't want to go to college now and, and women hyperglyphously date up.

They date a guy who's in college or who's been to college. They date a guy who's got a successful career trajectory to raise a family with. And one of the problems that the Morgan Stanley thing cites is that these women aren't going to have someone above them who earns more than them. Hyperglymously, they can chase and secure for mating, they're going to be the top earners. And men aren't attracted to someone

who earns more than them. So there's a real dynamic problem we have coming down the line in our society if young men aren't going to college. They're not going to college. And women are not that interested in getting married. Many of them aren't dating in right now because they can't find and you know they're told by by feminists to you know to make sure that everything's always equal but what that means is that they control the relationship

and uh they you know you say that that boys are lost but i think that girls are lost too in the sense that they they've been led astray uh they they're up there now they're they're high functioning but i don't think they're good mothers and and i don't think they they they really realize uh what's happened to them. Because many of them suffer from depression. There's research. Oh, massive, yeah. You know, I've been single all my life, and at 55, I'm still dating.

And one thing that's interesting to me, I've kind of watched the arc of dating culture and mating. And before Sex and the City came out, there was a different sort of attitude of what women looked at me for. They looked at me as a provider and protector. And okay, can this guy have kids and be a family? And then it seems like Sex and the City, when it came out, it promised, hey, go run all over town. And then when you're done being on the town bicycle, Mr. Big will show up, the rich guy who's super good looking, and he'll scoop you up and save you from, I guess, old age or something. And that's when I saw things really change in the mindset of women. And other people have alluded to this as well um now we have this narcissistic social media stuff that i think is really impacting women because the addiction of the dopamine hit of attention and validation is huge

and you you you meet people that they can't get off the train like they can't have an intimate relationship one-on-one where one man's attention and validation is good enough in a marriage they've got a you know they've got the whole world including guys from dubai who can dm them and they can put up a sexy post and you know get hundreds or thousands of dms and likes um and and i think it i think it hurts women i think it i think it because it's a dopamine hit for them. And so it becomes like an addiction drug. You see women walking around and they're on their phones 24-7. They almost don't look up anymore.

And I see healthy relationships being broken up over social media. Some guy can just come into a DM of some woman who's married and start flirting with her and, you know, she's bored and a five-year marriage or whatever. And there you go. And then she's divorced. And then these kids are left on the street. But what I see now that's interesting to me is when I was in my late twenties, almost thirties, I started dating women that were in their twenties that were getting, coming out of divorces. Then they had a half cook family, you know, and I'm like, okay, all right. This seems, you know, they, they got married at like 20 or 18 in the, in, in, in my, in their eighties.

Um, and you know, here they are coming out of their thing. They've got their first family. And what's interesting is they were still young enough where they could easily get a second husband to help finish raising the kids and and and do the progression because that you know men look for beauty and femininity when we mate so what's interesting to me is now in my 50s i see women in my 50s that are going through their very first divorce with a half-cooked family. And they're looking for men like me to wife them up, to take care of their family and finish the job. But I'm 55. I'm not looking to start over with a new family.

And most, most men my age aren't, we're not looking, we've already done that. The family shipped or, you know, we've shipped two families. We're looking to go retire and travel and stuff. And so I'm just in shock at how many of these families I see out my dating marketplace that are in their fifties and, and we're told things that, yeah, go and wait, do your career. And you're, you're just wondering what the end of that cycle is going to look like. Yeah. Well, you know, as a, as a therapist, you know, I, I, you know, for the, for 47 years I've been doing therapy and, um. And, you know, it seems like as I've done it over the last few years, the people I've worked with have become more disturbed.

The young people today have more disturbances than they used to have, say, when I first started in the 70s. You know, it's because the families are just falling apart. People are not as conscientious about being parents today as they used to be. They're more conscientious about their careers. And because you see, there's only an intrinsic reward in being a parent. You have a career, you get these external tangible rewards, more money, promotions, all this kind of stuff.

But parenting doesn't get these kind of rewards. So it's not as an attractive thing for women. Well, I mean, you see, we live in a divorce fad culture, is what I call it, where it's, you know, I've dated divorced women all my life, single mothers all my life. After about 28, it was all pretty much divorced single mothers all my life uh after about 28 it was all pretty much divorced with single mothers and you see this on social media on instagram on youtube and other places it's celebrated like it it's it's a fad where it's like hey it's great it's not that big of a deal but they don't see

the ugliness the crying and every now and then you'll see somebody get honest to go this is really hard. I feel guilty. I made a mistake. Well, the reason you feel guilty is because you know you fucked it up and you're screwing up your kids. I hate to be honest about it, but that's just it. You know, my parents stayed together until we left the home. Were they the best parents that got along well and should have

been together and had a great happy marriage? No, they weren't. It wasn't all that great, but they did it for us. So we grew up with the masculine and the feminine in the home. And because we could see the dance that went on and the engagements, even the strife, we learned what it's like to have a masculine and feminine in the same home raising us so we can be shaped by it. Even though it wasn't perfect, we could see the fallacies of it, and we've learned from the fallacies of it. And that actually is important as well.

So now you see these people that they're just like, well, I'm not happy or worse. I'm just bored. Yeah. I'm just bored. Yeah, I'm just bored. I miss going to clubs and doing whatever and, you know, getting chased all over and attention to validation for everybody. I'm just bored. So I'm going to get divorced. 90% out of all the divorces right now, educated women are filing 90% of the divorces.

If they're not educated, it's 80% of the divorces are filed by women. So you have to ask yourself, what the hell is going on? You know? Yeah, well, you know, again, feminists have, you know, guided women towards, you know, well, if it isn't working, get rid of him. Move on. The men are always blamed for whatever problems there are in the family. Now, in my book, I wrote the last chapter is about how can we turn this around.

And I've advised something. I don't think they're ever going to be done. For example, I think that parents who want to have children should need to get a license to have children. You have to have a license

to drive a car. You have to have a license to be a barber. You've been saying something I've been saying since I was 20, and this is the reason I didn't have kids. You should get a license and you should have to go to college for two years to get educated. And you need to get all your psychoanalyst

shit fixed before you can have kids. You need parent training, and it could happen in college. I mean, you don't have any courses in college on how to live. Yeah. And those are happen in college. I mean, you don't have any courses in college on how to live. Yeah. And those are what are needed. I think everybody should have a few years of therapy. I agree.

But, you know, because if parents were licensed, then, you know, these obvious people like schizophrenics or borderline personalities would not be able to have children. You know, it's needed but whenever you suggest that there are always these people oh no you can't interfere with with parents you know you can't ask them to be licensed yeah it's it's interesting i i've been saying that for a long time uh you know it's just like it's just it's almost like a comedic joke where it's just like hey i don't think about parenting you don't either we got all these traumas from childhood let's just drag him into a marriage and uh fuck up these kids and what happens is is um the you know if you're abused as a child and you don't have any therapy, you're going to abuse your children. It goes, it goes again for generation. Generational abuse, generational trauma as well. Yeah. I mean, it's,

it's good that we have books like yours. Um, and like I said, when I discuss those to people, they always say to me the same thing. Well, according to your, what you're saying is, you know, every child who grows up without a father, an alpha father, uh, should become a serial killer and clearly they don't. So there's something wrong with your thing. It's the same analogy that you argue about, uh, guns, uh, being the killers of everybody. Um, so I mean, is there any way that we can identify, is it just, it's can identify, is it just the right mindset of a person, or it's just the highly dysfunctional thing?

Is it, you know, some of the people, some of these killers do seem to have some real mental health things, where they just, I don't know, they were just born off the train or something, maybe? No, I don't believe they're born with it. I believe it's it's in damage cause and uh you know i i think that they you know they definitely there's a lot of mental illness and they you know nearly all of these these mass killers um they write things they post things that say they're going to kill people. They always reveal what they're going to do.

Yeah, they warm it up and everyone just ignores them. People don't take them seriously. This last guy in Texas I wrote about, you know, in Uvalde, Texas, there was this mass killing. And people were calling him, they had a nickname for him, like the school killer or something. I mean, everybody knew, all his friends saw him that way, and he was constantly talking about it. But nobody did what they needed to do, which was to stop him. That's the funny thing about, it's not really funny, him that's the funny thing about it's not really funny but that's the interesting thing that's ironic uh that that about these killers is you'll you'll

interview and people be like yeah we always kind of knew he was going to go off the rails it was just a matter of time let me ask you this uh in the 80s up until the 80s we had um we had a lot of mental health institutions around the country. When I grew up as a kid, if you were a teenager who had some problems, there was a mental health that was run by the county that they would send you to and put you in a room and give you some pills and all that sort of stuff. A lot of that system was disabled and disassembled by the reagan administration in the 80s and since then you've you've kind of seen almost the same trajectory of rise going through of mental health problems in this country do you think that's a contributor where we don't have enough mental health support in this country for these boys when they start showing signs of being problematic that

we can't we can't really get them help or there seems to be less ability to get them help yeah well many of these mental health clinics uh you know i i'm i kind of am very critical and i've stated this in the book of psychiatry psychiatry thinks that that mental disorders are biological. And so they cite these theories, like the chemical imbalance theory. Everybody in psychiatry was saying that depression comes from a chemical imbalance. And what they meant was serotonin, that they thought that disturbed people didn't have as much serotonin.

Well, that's been debunked now. It was never true. One psychiatrist wrote a theory about it and everybody, monkey see, monkey do, you know. It was never true and they've now completely debunked it. And now they'll probably make up another theory as to why everything is biological.

But, you know, because they want to think that way. They don't look at the complexity of human darkness. Yeah. And, of course, now we have the Board of Psychiatr is claiming that masculinity is toxic in and of itself and needs to be removed from society it's kind of interesting the more women have gone to college and filled the psychiatry boards how that suddenly become a thing uh and and this is you know if anything we need to return to masculinity and logic and reason because like i think our society has just become too emotional and where women can handle being emotional and they can handle freaking out

women aren't aggressive like men men are aggressive and we are killers by our nature that's our nature is hunter gatherers weers. We are killers. We were given upper body strength. We were given the penchant to kill, to succeed. Women, we're not. They're very passive in what they do, and they're designed to be different than us. But if you give, in my opinion, if you give the right mixture of emotionalism without logic and reason masculinity and healthy masculinity to a young man he is going to react violently and maybe maybe he just becomes a problem person or maybe he ends up in prison or maybe he kills but that's what we do it's the wrong it's the wrong uh cocktail to give us as men i I don't know. That's my theory.

Well, yeah, I think it makes sense. But I think that, you know, the notion that men are, say, evil and women are good, you know, that kind of prevails through fairy tales. Yeah. And in our culture, you know, that kind of prevails through fairy tales. Yeah. And in our culture, it's everywhere. Men are to blame for everything. Fathers are discounted in media and everything else.

But you see, women are violent psychologically. Yeah. You know, I mean, the feminist movement, which continually complains about male bias towards women, but the feminist movement itself is one of the most biased against men movements that you'll ever find. It's incredibly misandrous. Yeah. I mean, our whole society is full of those kind of lies. Yeah. I mean, it's widely accepted on social media that you can bash men all you want. There's like billions of views of how to manipulate men, how to abuse men.

Men, I've seen things about how men should be put into extinction. You know, kill all men. There's actually a hashtag for it uh but if men even talk about women's nature or try to educate each other on women's nature their accounts are removed and blocked and and the hashtags that can oppose those the ones that are left up by women in the billions uh are are there and i think these boys, they grow up and they see this and they go, what the fuck? I'm the problem? Well, great.

I'll give you what you want. I'll become the problem. Yep. Exactly. There you go. Well, this has been really insightful. Give us your final thoughts on the book to pitch out to the audience as we go out in your dot com, Gerald.

Okay. Well, I'll show you my book. This is the book. Let's see if I can get it on. The Masked Killer. It's available on Amazon and on the, what's that other place? Barnes & Noble. It's available on all those places. And it's, you know, I think it's a,

I hope it's a much needed book that sheds some needed light on this growing problem. And I, you know, I, I hope that, I hope they'll sell some copies from this show. There you go. There you go. Uh, and, and I think everyone needs to read up about this and understand it. There's a reason it's young boys.

There's, I mean, women don't, women aren't violent. Men are violent, uh, because that's in our nature. We're designed to be protectors. So we're designed to be violent. If we need to protect our homestead or wives or children, our paternal interests, uh, if we need to provide for our family, we're, we're designed that way. And so there's a reason this is white young men doing this. Um, and, uh, the more you look at it, the more, and, and the facts, I mean, if you don't

believe me, go look at the facts. The data is all there. So there you go. Thank you very much, Cheryl, for coming on the show. We really appreciate it. Order the book, folks, wherever fine books are sold. The Mass Killer, Six Case Histories to Tell Us Why, came out July 28th, 2023. Thank you, Cheryl, for coming on the show.

We really appreciate it. Okay. Thank you for having me. I just want to say that the book people are reading it and it's a page turner it uh i wrote the case history so that they're very very absorbing there you go i think it's a book that people will enjoy as well as will enlighten them but anyway thank you for having me on thank you for coming thanks for tuning in as well go to goodreads.com,

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