The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – The Reaper’s Dance: 1000 Days of COVID by Ravi R. Iyer MD

Episode Date: July 21, 2023

The Reaper's Dance: 1000 Days of COVID by Ravi R. Iyer MD https://amzn.to/3Y2G1U3 From the suburbs of Washington, DC, and northern Virginia to the bat-infested caves of Wuhan, China, Dr. Ravi Iyer traces the myriad networks of the virus that brought the entire world to its knees for twenty-four months and decimated the lives of millions in its path. The Reaper’s Dance puts you in a ringside seat to the horror of the COVID pandemic, the calculations of men who were in positions to influence the fate of millions, the science that might have unleashed the pandemic, and the science that saved the world. From the failures of governments and leaders to the triumphs of individual men and women, The Reaper’s Dance is a story of the complex and compelling tapestry of human hubris and humility, courage, and cowardice, with an enduring, cautionary message for all humankind. The Reaper’s Dance is a must-read that will inspire you, shake you, and wake you up. Additional Praise for The Reaper's Dance: An intensely gripping account of the COVID pandemic. The writing is fast-paced and the book reads like a thriller but remains factual and very well-cited in its references. This is a book to be savored and returned to for its continued relevance long after the last page has been read.... H. H Dr. Ravi Iyer has done a fabulous job in pulling together the story on the political stance changes, the thinking on the origins of the virus, and weaving it into the narrative in a fast-moving book that gripped me from the first page. I kept catching myself thinking as I read it, “Oh yes, that did happen”, “Trump did indeed say that” … and shake my head in disbelief as I read on. I liked the stories of the specific patients that peppered the evolution of the analysis of the pandemic. Also the bit on the seniors with cognitive decline … it hadn’t occurred to me how difficult it would have been to care for that group.... A. B

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Anyway, he is the author of the newest book that just comes out. June 7th, 2023. The Reaper's Dance. 1,000 days of COVID. When I first read the title of The Reaper's Dance, I thought he was written about Fridays at my house. But I don't know what that means in Vegas. But The Reaper's Dance. 100 days of COVID is what we'll be talking about today. His newest book has come out, and you can read it and order it wherever fine books are sold.

Ravi Iyer, doctor, we should say MD or doctor, Dr. Iyer, is the founding physician and president of the Ayer Clinics LMG, a top doctorate of practice in Fairfax and Loudoun County, Virginia. And he is the director of clinical research for Loudoun Medical Group and a published physician, scientist, entrepreneur, and inventor. He has several patents on drugs, devices, and supplements with applications in the canine and human fields. He's also the founder and CEO of Active Power, Inc.,

a nutrition and wellness company. Welcome to the show, Dr. Iyer. How are you? Very good. Thank you for having me on the show, Chris, this is definitely a milestone for you, as always, and a milestone for me, too. There you go. Well, it's wonderful to have you. Give us your dot com so people can find you on the interwebs, please. Right now, I'm in the process of building my platform, my author platform, which should be up live by the end of this month.

But you can get me at my clinic at dreyerclinic.com. So if you just go, it's I-Y-E-R-C-L-I-N-I-C.com. And you can email me at dreyerur at ayurclinic.com. There you go. So give us a 30,000 overview of what you, kind of some of your background on what you do as a doctor. So I have a very diverse and eclectic background. I trained as a physician in India.

I got my physician's license in 1983. So this year I have been a physician in India. I got my physician's license in 1983. So this year, I have been a physician for 40 years. Congratulations. And subsequent to that, I broke ways with the traditional mold of going into clinical medicine. I went into research for a good eight to ten years. I got a doctoral degree in biochemistry and molecular biology in India from All India Institute and then I got recruited as a postdoctoral fellow. I was at the Mass General Hospital in Harvard Medical School as a fellow. I was there first at the MGH for three years and then for another two years or so at Children's Hospital in Dana Farber. immune regulation of the body's ability to fight infections against viruses and difficult to kill bacteria. So when I finished the fellowship, I happened to come to D.C. to collect an award.

I got a Young investigator award in 1980, 89, 1993. And so at the award ceremony, I happened to meet the chairman of the Department of Medicine at George Washington. And long story short, we struck up a conversation, he made an offer, I, I thought thought about it and then I picked I took up the offer and started my residency as an internal medicine resident at George Washington finished my residency got my license to practice in Virginia and relocated to Virginia to start a practice in 1996.

For about a year I kind of played around with the library and then I founded the Iyer Clinic in 1997 and haven't looked back ever since. I started the clinic at a time when everyone was going to group practice and I branched off and I decided to do solo because I wanted to practice a kind of medicine. a very high value, high intensity and high quality something that was not being reimbursed very well. And you're trying to give quality, more quality than the market could bear. So, so you're, you're on the, what I call the bleeding edge of the curve at that time. And, and I bled quite a bit. It's always that bleeding in your guys in your business what's that about yeah instead of being in the leading a bleeding edge yeah the bleeding bleeding and bleeding this title my new book on leadership yeah so so but then it worked out

because then people started coming because of the quality we were giving and we grew. We were able to buy our first office suite and then over the next few years we increased our presence to three offices. And since 2013, we have been consistently being awarded the top doctor award in Northern Virginia. Wow. Yeah, I see that here. Northern Virginia top doctors year after year and stuff.

Yeah, it's a peer recognition. Roughly about 800 physicians are chosen and given that designation out of about 10,000 in Northern Virginia. That's pretty good. I used to get an award for being the worst doctor ever, mainly because I'm not a doctor. But no, that's just a joke. I don't really. But no, congratulations. That's joke. I don't really. But no, congratulations. That's quite an award and everything you do. I know something on your website.

There's the Dr. Iyer's MyoRub. Am I reading? Can I see? Yeah, that's right. That's right. What does that do? Well, that's a liniment that I made. And that's actually part of the active power company that I started but in 2007

my mom was visiting me and she was complaining of joint pain and she cannot tell she cannot tolerate her knee was hurting and was keeping her up at night and she can't tolerate ibuprofen it tears up her stomach so she couldn't use all those medicines so i since i have a chemistry background and i'm a biochemist i concocted this liniment out of some herbs and other stuff in the kitchen and uh uh i you know tried it uh on knee, and she felt better. And over the next few months, I set up a basement lab, very much like Breaking Bad. I set up a lab in my basement. No, because I have a chemistry background.

I know how to do that kind of shit. Actually, I know how to do the Breaking Bad stuff. So how good was the meth you made? No, I'm just a chemistry background. I know how to do that kind of shit. Actually, I know how to do the breaking glass. So how good was the meth you made? No, I'm just kidding. Was it blue? I'm a big fan of breaking glass. Yeah, I see you like blue a lot. Yeah, yeah, there's a lot going on with the blue.

I had one other go on the show, and he's like, you got a lot of blue going on there. So it's a roll-on huh it is it is a roll-on but you can you can you can unscrew the roll-on and you can pour a little in your hand and wrap it in there but it's pretty it's uh it uh it works very well it works better than most of the other stuff that is there in the market i'll talk to my mom about it. She had her knees replaced, and she suffered a lot and still suffers. After the show, just send me your postal address, and I'll send you something complimentary. That sounds like a good deal.

The only problem was she had her knees replaced with hips. Wait, that doesn't work. It seemed like a funny joke in my head at the time. So let's talk about your latest book um let's get into this uh you wrote the book uh that's called um uh the reaper's dance uh one thousand days of covid now the reaper's dance is usually what we call fridays around my house in vegas when i throw a good party but uh why did you call the book The Reaper's Dance? And give us a 30,000 review of what it's about. Well, during COVID, my clinic got transformed overnight from a regular internal medicine

practice into Northern Virginia's, one of Northern virginia's busiest and we were the first community covid testing and treatment site oh wow in that area and then so over the next three years it was a pretty intense experience and one of the things that became very evident to me going through the entire pandemic experience was this, that our society, not only the US, but globally, societies were being fractured along fault lines that were being exploited for by unscrupulous people for their own benefit and and the emotional triggers of of populations were being those buttons were being pressed willy-nilly and uh there was no one out there who could actually step up and say hey listen you guys are being used you need to understand that you don't need to play the game this way and so this thought kept coming and i also saw my 40 years of work being uh being unraveled at a very foundational level by the forces in society. So it was not so much the virus.

The virus was just a symptom. But underlying was this huge fracture of us versus them and divisive rhetoric that was being spewed blindly in many ways. So I decided to encapsulate the experience we had at the clinic and write about it in a very powerful way to drive the discussion of where do we go. Okay, the pandemic has come, it has gone. We are left with the vestiges of the pandemic as a seasonal flu that is going to sicken you for about a week to 10 days, and then you're going to come back. That's where the virus is, and that's where it's going to head going forward. But there were so many open questions about why did it have to be this way?

Why did 1.13 million people have to die in the US? Why did 8 million people have to die globally? Why did it have to be this way? And how is it that we stumbled so so badly not just in one country but globally in the management of this condition and and one of the other things that was very evident as i started doing my research was that there is very very strong emerging evidence that this pandemic was man-made. It got now authorities in the U.S., CDC, the National Bureau of Biological Safety, they all are coming out with clear indications that this was a lab accident in a virology lab in the epicenter of the

virus in China that resulted in the release of this virus that initially infected three of those lab workers and those those are reports not I'm not saying it is the Wall Street Journal saying it and then it's not that they're saying it back in 2019 they were said it in 2019 20 they said in 2020 and they said it on June 20th of 2023 you know know, barely a month ago, they came out with the name and the photograph of the, of the individual who was hospitalized. Wow. Yeah. So, so the, the, so as I wrote all of this, it became evident to me that my book was describing not just the experience of us at the clinic.

It was describing the experience of our community. It was describing the experience of the experts in academia academia experience of experts in public policy politicians um ordinary people on both sides of the Atlantic uh and it it took a life of its own I actually the book practically wrote itself I started writing it on december 10th it was complete it was complete essentially on february 11th oh wow uh december 10th 2022 i finished it on february 11th 23 and then between 11th and may i was february to may i was just tinkering with it and i was polishing it here and there. But we sent it for an editorial review and things like that before we published it out on Amazon.

So what do you tackle in the book? Do you just try and tell the historical history of it or where we went wrong? Do you try and clarify some facts what's the take on the book that you try and present as I read a passage sorry I'll read I'll read a read a powerful passage on this okay I see you day 15 the nurse steps in to check on the woman in the bed. She's barely visible lying there somewhere beneath. The tangled maze of ventilator and intravenous tubing. Above her, a fluorescent green blip dances its way across the screen of a monitor. Yellow numbers glow out readings of pulse, blood pressure and oxygen saturation level.

The room is filled with the low hiss of the ventilator meter. But the woman in ICU bed number five doesn't notice it. She's sedated deep under a proper fall in due sleep, blissfully unconscious of the disease that has ravaged her body. Now only the chemical cocktail of the drugs dripping into her veins and the mechanical beat of the ventilator are forcing her life force into a being a reluctant tenant in a body fast approaching the point of becoming a dwelling incompatible with life.

I have been this woman's doctor for many years. She did everything right. She isolated, washed hands, covered her face, and stayed away from crowds. Her husband, daughter, and son all followed my guidance to a T. Pity that the rest of her friends did not. Too bad the neighbors on her friends did not too bad the neighbors on her street did not somewhere out there someone had felt they had a greater right to their breath of maskless fresh air so this 48 year old beautiful wife and mother will

have to give up her right to all of her breaths a 50 year old man will have to watch the love of his life, struggle to give up her ghost through a cell phone video and a teenage son and daughter will spend the rest of their lives without the breath of a mother fanning their cheeks. Now, my patients in my clinic had access to much greater comprehensive guidance and knowledge about viral mechanisms and methods of prevention and safety than the White House coronavirus briefings in 2020. Wow. What was tragic was that no one had the courage to call this out. Yeah. The emperor was prancing down Pennsylvania Avenue in naked narcissistic splendor, attended by fawning, self-serving courtiers, and no one could turn their stunned gaze from the

horrific spectacle long enough to declare the obvious before them all. Everyone kept trying to manage the buffoon in the house in the hope that somehow the damage could be mitigated and contained from papers that would be whisked away to briefings that would be tailored long before the pandemic u.s policy was being crafted by a shadow government of public servant managers who had decided that they had to quietly save america from Nero at its help. Before, all over the world, morgues were overflowing. Graveyards were running out of space. The dead were being buried, lying on their sides so graves could be cut narrower and more bodies stacked per square

yard of terrain. Globally, a hundred roams were burning. The fires of hell were blazing and the devil and his minions were dancing in an inferno fueled by a growing field of corpses scythed down by a reaper wearing a crown of spikes. Wow. I love your writing. It's beautiful.

It's extraordinary. I mean, it's very poetic. I really love how you describe the situation and the verbiage and adjectives you use. It's really beautiful. I like the way you put it. Yeah. So it hit us in the clinic at a very visceral level. And it became obvious to me that there were questions that we had as a society to answer with regard to how we deal with the world around us, uh deforestation and uh um global climate change is going to bring more and more of us in contact

with wildlife and there are more viruses like this out there that will make the jump from animals to to humans with or without human help. And if this is how we are going to deal with the pandemic, we really need to get our act together. That is very true. You know, it really became kind of Lord of the Flies situation. And as you mentioned, the thing without good leadership at the executive level of our country, it really became Lord of the Flies. I mean, I was thinking just the other day

about how all the states had to fight for PPE, what was it, PPE? Yeah. Personal protection. And, you know, I was listening to the Federalist Papers. um the federalist papers and the federalist papers um i've been listening to that were written by hamilton and and i think uh some of the other uh founders that wrote a constitution and they were talking about how one of the great ways of

making us a country uh out of all the 13 states that were there at the time was because they could group buy for medicines and they could group buy for stuff. And I remember thinking, yeah, I remember during COVID, all the states were fighting each other and driving up the price of PPE. And they shouldn't have been. There should have been a federal agency buying all that stuff and distributing it. But, you know, such was, you know. We had the same problem in the clinic. And so what we did was the PPE that was so priced out of the market was disposable. So we decided to switch gears there was no there was no

shortage of cheap windbreakers and ski pants oh wow so these are polyester material that are impervious and can serve as ppe so I bought enough for all my staff. Wow. And we used to wear that and treat our patients, and then at the end of the day, take it off and put it into the laundromat's hot water cycle. And there it is. It's clean and it's ready for the next day. And ski pants worked as masks?

Not as whole body. As whole body stuff, wow. As whole body overalls. That's pretty awesome. Pretty innovative. Yeah. It was kind of like Lord of the Flies and it certainly it certainly, you know, the book

Lord of the Flies, it certainly didn't bring out the best of us in some cases. I think in some cases it did, in some cases it didn't bring out the best of us in some cases i think i think in some cases did some cases didn't but i think your point to to you know uh most people uh don't uh didn't perform too well you know maybe we should look at that in the future and see if we can maybe do better so i talk about that i talk about about that mentality of us versus them and i talk about it it comes out of a particular mentality of looking at life as if there's a perpetual shortage of resources so 99 of people live life as if they have to hustle for the things that they want in

their life. Otherwise, it'll get away from them. Somebody else will get it and they will lose out in the race. And they approach life as if the things that they want are physical objects bounded by time and space and therefore if they don't grab it somebody else is going to grab it or it's going to decay or it is going to disappear or get consumed or something in some way it'll go away so I call this the not enough life like not enough time not enough money not enough love not enough money not enough love not enough friends not enough recognition not enough not enough not enough everything is not enough and the not enough life i describe it as a poverty that can never be filled and if you look at the lives of successful

people of of people of enormous power and accomplishment they don't live their life as if it's a shortage of resources they live their life they look at the things that they accumulate in their life not as objects but they look at the relationships that they have to those things. And they are focused on the relationship, not on the end goal object acquisition. And when you do that, what happens is you shift from being a consumer and a hoarder to becoming a steward and a leader. The difference between a steward and a leader is they don't approach life from a shortage mentality. They approach life from an abundance mentality. They approach it not from a poverty mindset.

They approach it from an abundance mindset. And the abundance is in their attitude, not in the in the actual objects. So when you shift yourself to that abundance mentality, then what happens is automatically you can switch to out of the not enough life to life that is focused on progress and you'll also simultaneously shift from an us versus them conversation to a we conversation right now everything is us or them us or them and what we need to do is we need to move from an us and them us and them have to start talking about it as we. And the we has to include even the animals, the plants, and the nature around us,

because otherwise nature is going to kill us. That's true. You know, we're starting to see the effects of, you know, all the things that are going on in the world, like global warming. You know, right now we're doing this broadcast. effects of you know all the things that are going on the world like global warming uh you know right now we're doing this broadcast 125 degrees yesterday in Qatar that is so that is measured to be at the outer limit of what is humanly survivable Jesus so you can't even go out and try and survive going outdoors or shopping, huh? 125. 125.

That just sounds like just not fun, basically. And, you know, we've got climate change with, you know, you can debate all you want, but it's clearly getting hotter. It's clearly, you know, and sea levels are rising. You can be like the frog in the beaker saying, yeah, yeah, it's getting hot, it's getting hot, but I ain't going to jump out yet. And, you know, I mean, you can say what you want about rising sea levels and stuff, but insurers are pulling out of Florida right now. My friends in Florida, there's been a ton of insurers leaving.

It's getting hard to insure your house and insure your car there because, you know, they're concerned about more storms, more issues, more different things like that. The water in Florida is close to 90 degrees. Oh, wow. So that's going to translate into more storms, right? Yes. Yeah. There you go. 90-degree water. Would you get into water that's 90 degrees?

Yeah, I don't think I'd do. How hot is the... I know I'm in a hot room in the sauna, but I don't stay in there for very long. I'm 20 minutes, 15 minutes at the sauna I think it's 220 in the sauna um but uh I don't know how hot the jacuzzi is when I sit in it at night but uh yeah

it's pretty interesting so you wrote the book what do you hope people get from reading your book what do you hope we learn the number one thing I would like people to learn is that they really need to collaborate people need to collaborate people need people need to people need to read up

and educate themselves about their surroundings the people need to reach out across the aisle they need to start looking at human beings as human beings first rather than rather than tribes right now you right now you have an evangelical tribe you have a Baptist tribe you have a Muslim tribe you have you have an evangelical tribe you have a baptist tribe you have a muslim tribe you have you have a republican tribe a democrat tribe you have a maga tribe you have a never trump tribe you have an only trump tribe you know it's it's a whole bunch of tribes and what we need is somewhere along the way is, hey, man, hey, lady, are you there somewhere? Yeah, we all need to learn to get along, someone famously said one time. Why can't we all just get along?

But I love the beautiful way that you uh wrote the prose in the book and uh and talked about it um and and and brought the humanity into it because i think i think a lot of a lot of humans first we are first and foremost humans before we even know our names. We are first and foremost humans before we even choose what religion we will adopt and live with. Yeah. And that foundational reality has to be gotten back in touch with.

Otherwise, we are doomed. That is the death knell. When humans stop looking at ourselves as humans first, and we see ourselves first and foremost as an ideology,

that is a problem. Serious problem. There you go. I like how you nailed that. We see each other as an ideology, that is a problem, a serious problem. There you go. I like how you nailed that. We see each other as an ideology as opposed to humans. I know there are people who celebrated people dying during COVID. It sounds like a lot of the book and the stories you have in it are taken from your experience as a doctor of medicine and in working in the patients thing I don't think a lot of people have told that story because

every one of the stories so we have I have the nonfiction part of it and then I have the human interest stories every human interest story in the book comes out of genuine patient encounter, a real patient. The names have been changed. Certain scenarios have been changed so that it's not easy to identify, though the individual people can recognize themselves when they read the book. Sure. And, you know, we need stories like this to understand the horror of what went on in ERs and in hospital beds.

You know, it kind of became a thing like with school shootings in this country where people just tune it out and they don't really see the actual horror and the death and and uh the bodies and everything else and so it's good that people that witnessed the horror of what went on and in these things are sharing this and and uh yes there was there was just a few weeks ago five men got crushed to death in the depths of the Atlantic Ocean trying to get to the Titanic mm-hmm the the whole world could relate to the horror of that on the same day as the five people got crushed the total death toll of all the people who died of covid in the u.s reached 1.13 million holy crap that what i'm saying is human beings

cannot comprehend 1.13 million they can comprehend five so five appears real because you they can put those five people into their dining table they can put them in their car into their living room and have coffee with those five people and they can relate to five people and it becomes very difficult to bring out horror when you're talking 1.13 million yeah during covid there was a a doctor friend of mine was uh and i were talking about it the us had 200 000 more number of deaths because we didn't get our public health policy act together than Canada. So we're comparing two advanced societies with good healthcare systems. Canada had 200,000 less deaths and just south of the border, the US had 200,000 more deaths. So my doctor colleague friend said, when you hang one person, when you hang one person when you kill one person you hang

for murder when you kill 200 000 it just becomes misguided policy yeah it was interesting to see how you know politicians and even now there's deniers of it in the political side um you know could run around and misrepresent stuff and never be held accountable because i don't know i guess it's the first amendment or free speech that prevents them from being held accountable yet people died i mean you had you had a president the narcissistic president told people to inject bleach at one point and people did uh there was a couple, I believe, in Florida that after they heard him say,

inject bleach, they went and did it. And what a horror show. And why isn't someone held liable for that? I mean, it's a story to think about. The way our society is crafted, life is not fair. And justice, no matter how much you want it.

Serious? 55 and I'm just getting this message? Damn it. Life is not fair. And justice does not always prevail. But I do believe there is an accounting that happens.

I believe that the American people are not stupid. Some of them. Let's not push them. And an accounting was done in 2020. And it's still being accounted for. So it doesn't matter. Over time, everything will shake out, and history will have its final say.

But at the same time, the average people, the message that I want to get out in this book is that people need to educate themselves. An educated voting population is the surest indicator for a healthy society. And our population is not educated. That is the one thing. That's true. There's been a lot of decline in education over 20, 30 years.

My mother was a teacher, and she used to complain about how budgets were always being drawn back and school sizes were being doubled and tripled on her, and it was harder to educate people and blah, blah, blah. And yeah, it seems like the dumber we get. There is the old George Carlin adage that, what is the old adage? You know, imagine how dumb the average person is and realize that 50% of the people are dumber than them. So there's that. I love George Carlin. He's brilliant.

His satire is unbelievable. It was probably the cocaine. But yeah, he had a little bit of an issue with cocaine for a few years, which probably led to his early untimely death. But no, there's always the dumb people. But I always assumed that we would, in a dark time, we kind of kumbaya as a species a little bit there, at least a little bit. There's some sort of fantasy I suppose I had that we were

enlightened and that we would behave better in certain times. Really, it just became Lord of the Flies in almost a modern sense of people going completely crazy. I mean, seeing people flip the hell out over stuff. Just really extraordinary. So anything further you want to tease on the book before we go? Read the book. I got a copy here. It's available on amazon uh it's easy uh an audiobook version is

coming out probably by the end of this week it should be out on amazon too so it's there on kindle paperback um if you have kindle unlimited it's free for you um and if you have Kindle Unlimited, it's free for you. Um, and, uh, if you are economically disadvantaged and you want to shoot me an email, shoot me an email and I'll make sure you get a free copy. Oh, well, that's wonderful. That's wonderful. Help some people out and, uh, and get everybody going there. Well, thank you very much for coming on the show, Doc. We really appreciate it.

Thank you. There you go. And give us a.com so we can find you on coming on the show, Doc. We really appreciate it. Thank you. There you go. And give us a.com so we can find you on the interwebs, please. D-R-I-Y-E-R at I-Y-E-R-C-L-I-N-I-C.com. So it's Dr. Iyer at Iyer clinic.com. And the website is Iyer clinic.com. There you go. And we'll have a link for that on the Chris Voss show as well.

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