The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – The Sea Glass Soul: Forged by Fire, Tempered by the Sea by Jamie Zenteno

Episode Date: July 14, 2025

The Sea Glass Soul: Forged by Fire, Tempered by the Sea by Jamie Zenteno Jamiezenteno.com Amazon.com The Sea Glass Soul takes the reader through the process of how sea glass is formed and shows how that process parallels the stages we go through in life. We start with shattered pieces and then fight our way through oceans of experiences as we are sifted among a host of elements to be adorned with refinement. How exactly does one go from being broken to understanding their intrinsic value? What happens when we get stuck amongst the rocks? How can we recognize when we need to keep working on a particular area? The Sea Glass Soul helpfully includes journaling prompts in each chapter to guide the reader in examining how God can use difficult seasons for their benefit. The author authentically shares of her own tempering journey through various hardships, which include caregiving for loved ones, coping with broken and lost relationships, and an immense internal struggle to find her own value. This story of overcoming offers to walk with the reader as they find peace from reflection and embrace the immeasurable worth to be found in their sea glass soul. About the author My two beautiful girls and I live in a little country farmhouse down in Southeast Texas. Every year we pick mulberries off the trees and wait with anticipation for the honeysuckles to bloom. Though I may be new to the writing industry in a professional setting, it has always been a passion of mine. Close friends will tell you this was something they always saw me doing. At the young age of nine when my fourth-grade teacher brought in an author to our classroom, I had this burning desire to one day be just like her. Spring of 2021, God woke me up at about 3 AM and said write. For a few seconds with half dazed sleepy eyes, I questioned Him. I still remember the words, “Ummm …. God …. life is sort of messy right now, you’ve got the wrong woman. “ Again, He prompted me to write. So, I agreed. I opened my black leather journal, turned to the back pages and my pen let loose. When I say this is a book from Him - let me tell you it is!! He gave me the title, the subtitle, the chapters and what every single one was going to be about. About two hours had passed and there in the middle of my living room floor feeling complexly broken - God was saying it’s time to share daughter. Within the short years I have been on this side of heaven, my life has been less than easy. I have struggled with feeling broken and have watched how this world creates sharp edges from those experiences. Yet through the years of watching my mother fall sick with a terminal illness, several miscarriages and a divorce - God picked up my pieces and made them into something beautiful. This book shares my heart and soul for people. I prayed many years ago for God to give me the eyes and ears to see people as He does. I believe through the experiences He’s allowed in my life He has done just that. The chapters mirror my desire or life mission as you will, to see people restored to a healthy state of mind.

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Some guests to the show may be advertising on the podcast, but it is not an endorsement or review of any kind. Dearly amazing young lady on the show, we'll be talking about her book called The Sea Glass Soul, forged by fire tempered by the sea. Out December 3rd, 2024, Jamie Zanteno joins us in the show. We're going to be talking about her book, her insights, some of the different work that she does, etc. etc. She has two beautiful girls she lives with in a little country farmhouse down in the southeast Texas. Every year they pick mulberries off the trees and wait for the anticipation for the huckle honeysuckles to bloom. Though she's new to the writing industry in a professional setting, it's always been a passion of hers and close friends will tell you this is something they've

always saw her doing. So welcome to show. How How are you, Jamie? Jamie Sweeney I am doing well. It is sunny and we've got that Texas humidity down here going on. Pete Slauson Oh, boy, that takes so many. Well, as long as you got the barbecue, you're in business. Texas barbecue is great barbecue. So Jamie, give us your dot coms. Where can people find you on the interwebs? Jamie Sweeney Sure. So people can find me at jamiezenteno.com. Super simple, very easy, and short and to the point. Pete So, give us a 30,000 overview of what's inside your book, The Sea Glass Soul. Jami Zanteno So, this book is how God takes all of our broken pieces and turns them into something beautiful like sea glass. So, we know when

something breaks, it's not pretty, and we've got all these pieces on the ground, and they get swept up, and then usually the breaking, it sucks. It's not pretty. So we have to go through all these different seasons and elements. So it's a very sweet alliteration that God gave me to take these broken pieces, because in order for sea glass to become beautiful, it has to go through into the ocean, gets dumped there by pirates or sea captains or something. Who knows? That's what happened to me pirates don't mean the ocean. I had to walk a plank. Oh no. So it goes from these broken pieces and it has to go through the storms of life and then it has to get sifted through the waves and the salt has that dehydration process

that goes through the glass also. And then it gets washed onto the shore. But sometimes when we get washed onto the shore, we have to go back into the sea for another life lesson, we're not done yet. And eventually we get washed on the shore and, you know, God picks us up and is like, hey, this party view is done now, let's go back and finish the other party view. Pete Slauson Yeah, I think I've been pulled in the sea a few times on some of those, some of those sandpaper routes there. But, you know, it's right. You have a picture on the cover of the book. I'll talk to, tell it to people who are watching the show live. The cover on the picture of the book of some beautiful sea glass. That's the glass that, I know there's a place in

California, I think it is, where they have, I think it's called Sea Glass Beach or something, or Rainbow Beach or something. And I guess a boat had gone down that, back in the early 1900s or something, that had all these bottles, glass bottles on it or something. It was probably a bottle of... I don't know, maybe it was a thing of Coca-Cola or something. But anyway, somehow or another, there is this concentration of glass there. And it goes through the process you talked about and washes up. And so there's just this rainbow of this glass. And of course, it's not sharp anymore. It's now rounded off.

And there's probably part of that analogy and what you're talking about. Yes. Yeah, then you can pick them up and, I don't know, put a glass, glue a glass bottle back together if you want to. I mean, you could try. It may not have, you know, capacity to hold very much water or a drink in it anymore. That's my problem. Every time I put myself back together, I still have leakies everywhere. I'm like, something's not, something's still not fixed. No one's perfect, right?

Yeah. Where did you get the idea for the title? Kind of one of those moments when Gladwigs showed up in the middle of the night at 3am. He's like, hey, you're going to write a book. And I'm like, hey, no, I'm not. And he's like, yeah, get your paper out. Let's go. My R.I.P. It's pretty demanding at 3am. What the hell is going on? So I got my journal out. I'm like, okay, well, if So. This guy's pretty demanding at 3 a.m. What the hell is going on? So I got my journal out and I'm like, okay, well if you're gonna give this to me, you're gonna have to really give it to me.

So he gave me the title and it was The Seedglass Soul. I'm like, okay, well what am I gonna write about? Because you can't just have a book with nothing in it. And he started giving me the chapter titles and what all was gonna be in it. I'm like, okay, well I guess we got a book after all, then let's get working on it. Pete Now, have you ever been exposed to sea glass? So, like, if I was thinking of a great book title, it's a great book title.

I wouldn't remember like the sea glass beach or whatever it's called in SoCal. Kirsten Thank you. So, we kind of have our own little secret spot. My daughter's here on the Gulf Coast of Texas where we go find seed glass. And my oldest daughter was four. We went to go fishing and we started looking for seashells and we found seed glass. I'm like, well, what if there's any more out here? So we started finding several more and we have a jar in our bathroom full of seed glass now. And in fact, when my boss goes on vacation to different places, she brings me back seed glass from different places around the world so it's kind of neat

it's a cool collection. Yeah what a great analogy too. The yeah I love sea glass the only problem is it kind of looks like candy maybe you're like tempted to chew it you're like don't do that it's glass. Yeah in fact we my youngest daughter she found one that looked like a little Sour kid. She's like, momma, it's like sour patch kid. I'm like, you can't eat it. Pete Slauson You can't eat it, because that never ends well. But we've probably eaten a few glass in our lessons we learned in life or the dichotic moments we go through in life. And so, you kind of use that analogy of the sea glass on how we go through these cathartic moments in our life, these challenges, these

internal struggles, and how we kind of find ourselves again. Is that correct? Lauren Larson Yes, sir. Yeah, and that's how I came out with the subtitle to the book. So, Forged by Fire, Tempered by the Sea. So, a lot of our life storms are, they're hot, they're not great. Sometimes we get burned and we get scarred from those things, but it goes to the alliteration of being tempered by the sea, we're tempered by the life lessons and the people around us and the friendship and the fellowship and the community that we have with our friends or other people or God that comes into our lives and helps us to balance things back out. Pete I mean, it's a great way of thinking about stuff.

It's interesting how sometimes we understand things better when it's told through a story sort of analogy, as opposed to when, you know, if you just tell people, hey, just be a better person. And you're like, well, that's great. What do I do with that information? But sometimes stories like this that have like an analogy or a parable to them, they, you know, we can understand it better because we see it from kind of outside of ourselves. You know, what's that old saying?

The fish can't see water and we can't see air. It's hard to see the analogy is it's hard to see outside of ourselves. Yeah. Fish can't see water. Yeah. I think it's an analogy. The, I don't know if they could taste it. Do you think you could taste sea water? I don't know. I don't know if they have taste buds. I'm not sure. Maybe. I'm not sure. Or someone should look into fish have taste buds. We should check that out because I don't know. That would be like, I don't know, but that would really, really suck too. Cause if you like you taste sea water, I don't know. There's no joke. I like some things you wouldn't want to taste in sea water. That's right. That's

right. You're like, you're like, ah, I think I'm in the kiddie pool. I know what that means. Right. So tell us about you and your story and your life. What was your journey through life? And imagine maybe some of the things you draw and stories you tell in the story in the book are from that. So give us a rundown on what your journey was. So I grew up kind of fast. My mom was diagnosed with a neuromuscular disease when I was 10 years old.

So big sister had to become kind of that mom role also at being 10. We really weren't sure how long she was gonna make it, so there's a lot of life lessons that go along with that, having to grow up really fast, having a lot of life lessons that go along with that, having to grow up really fast, having a lot of responsibility on your shoulders. But in turn, if I would have gone through that, I know I wouldn't be the person that I am today. So, fast forward, I've had a lot of ministry opportunities through church and mission work and youth ministry, and got married, had some kids. Things didn't work out the way we wanted to. So there was a divorce

and it got kind of messy and we'll just leave it at that. Pete Slauson Yeah, that's kind of how divorces work actually. Lauren Larkin They're messy. Pete Slauson There are very few I see that aren't. Lauren Larkin Yeah. So, in the middle of going through that divorce is when this book was forged. And throughout the writing process, there was a lot of lessons that I learned and I had to learn how to control my anxiety and my fears and things like that because there was a lot going on in different places. I'm like, man, I didn't want this.

I didn't want to be a single mom to kids. This sucks. This is crazy. But within that, God gives you the people to come into your life to help you through that process and walk with you and help you rebalance out everything. Pete Yeah, yeah, that's some good, some, you know, those are cathartic times, divorces, it's the identity of the death of a marriage. Now, you mentioned the ministries and church a few times. What is your relationship to that? Did you grow up in the church? Did you find it later? What's the story of your journey there? Kirsten Yeah, so I was born and raised in church, and my parents actually helped put the stones on the church that I grew up in as a kid.

So I've been in church my whole entire life, and whether it was helping box stuff up for a garage sale or doing kids' ministry or being on the worship team. There's always been a spot where I've been at church somehow. But of course you grow up and you have your own rocky times and you find your own path in life. And so at the end of high school became a missionary to other countries. I went to Russia a couple times, went to Belize a few times. And after that, got into youth ministry, became a youth pastor and worked with kids for, I think, five or six years. And then we moved to a different church. And as this book grew, I forged a new ministry, Jamie's Antonio ministry. So, it's been a different kind of walk. It's been a whole

new experience, but it's been a good one. Pete So, are you a minister or a reverend, a preacher? Jamie So, not a pastor, not any of that. So, Jamie's Antonio Ministries is there to encourage the modern world, however that may be. So, I am a blogger. I blog a couple times a month. I also have a full-time job and I'm a mom, so I got to fit it in when I can. Pete. Also, I have a full-time job and I'm a mom, so I gotta fit it in when I can. Yeah, mom's a full-time job too.

Lots of stuff. So I do blogging, but then also I have a retreat coming up called the Sea Glass Soul Weekend Retreat. So that'll be where I take 10 women and we're gonna go to Galveston Island and we will be going through the whole entire book and really, I hope that as women attend this retreat that they can find their own healing and where God wants them to be at and they can find their own sea glass soul by the end of the weekend.

Pete There you go. Well, that should be a lot of fun. And people, what's the website you can give us again where people can find details on how to contact you about this. Jamie Zantino Sure. So, that is jamiezantino.com. And if they go to shop, then all of those event details are right there. Pete Slauson And you're doing a lot of meet the author stuff I see here too, where you're towing around, having book signatures and stuff like that. That's gotta be fun, right?

Jamie Zantino And it's fun. Everything's local right now and I hope that that grows as more books come out. But it's been a fun journey and I connected with a little small shop on the island. It was really crazy. A friend of mine was shopping. She said, I really think you need to check out this shop. I'm like, okay. So we went down there and turns out this shop is a block down from where my family used to have a 1900s ice store on the island. I'm like, well, that's really cool. So just have my history re-introduced back onto the island like that. It's really neat. Mad Fientist... Yeah. And it looks like you did one last year called Paint Your Ocean

Workshop. Kirsten... So that's actually coming up. We're going to be doing that this fall too. In October, it looks like. Yeah, so Paint Your Ocean Workshop that has that idea of, I believe that artwork is a way that we can express our feelings and our emotions and whatever form or fashion, right? And so the point of this workshop is to get people who attend to paint their feelings basically on a canvas So we're gonna go by the ocean and we're gonna paint and we're gonna if you have a messy heart And it feels like a hurricane then hey paint that if it's calm and peaceful like a sunset on a summer day paint that

Let's get those feelings out. Yeah I'm looking at the picture of the easel there on the beach that you have set up, and I'm thinking, yeah, it shows a beautiful picture of just kind of a placid ocean, a little bit of waves there coming to the shore. But I can see someone, they paint some really stormy, dark picture and you're just like, yeah, we need to help you. Yeah, we pray for you now. like, yeah, we need to help you. Kirsten You know, the power of Christ compels you to start throwing holy water at them.

But yeah, no, that's really beautiful. In the Sea Glass Soul Weekend, the Galveston Island, my understanding, it's a beautiful island there. You know, the one thing, I moved back to California. I grew up in California as a kid, and I lived with the ocean. I was a beach kid. My mom, you know, she had enough of us during the summer and so she would take us and try and drown us in the beach.

No, she didn't. We did try and drown a couple of times. I think I was trying to kill my brother off, but I found I was the first child. So when the second child came along, I was like, I get half the presents? What the hell? You're a first child. So when the second child came along, I was like, I get half the presents? What the hell? Yeah, you're a first child? Kirsten Kuhn Younger siblings or something. I get it.

Pete Slauson Yeah, I'm always like, man, you're cutting into my Christmas action, buddy. You got to go. So, so I grew up that way. And then, I can't remember how many years ago, but I moved back to California for about three years. And, and I really, to California for about three years. So anytime I was having just the worst time, whatever life, this, that, and the other,

business, bullshit, all that stuff, I would go down to the beach and take my dogs down the beach, that helps too. I would tell you, the beach would ground me because, you know, I go down there with all these problems in my head and all these anxieties, all these worries and fears and whatever, you know, and you would just sit there and just the lapping of the waves that just, just the calm of the ocean and some about the consistency of it too, I think is calming, and you kind of breathe, I think, better down there because you're breathing in that wonderful sea air. Maybe there's something about the salt in the air. But man, I'd sit down there for about

a half an hour, hour, and I'd look at the ocean and I'd look at the mountains and I'd look at the sunset and I would just think, this stuff has been here for millennia. And you know, all this sand that's washed up on the beach, I mean, maybe it was a small sea glass sort of experience because it was sand. But I look at the sand and I'd be like, this stuff has been here for eons of time. This sunset that I'm watching is going to be here long after I'm gone and probably has been here for eons of time. And everything's been fine for, I

don't know, I guess the earth or universe. But I just may realize how small my stupid little problems were. Like by the time after about an hour I get done, I would be like, you know, it would help you open up your aperture to the big picture of life and the world. And, you know, sometimes our little problems are just silly little problems and they'll be gone tomorrow. And sometimes our little insecurities and whatever, you know, we have bigger problems sometimes that take more time to solve, but it would kind of put things in perspective. And so, yeah, going to the beach really helps.

It would always reset me and I would come back thinking, you and your silly little bag of problems, Chris, not going to grow up. Yeah. That's definitely what it was for me too. And I wrote a lot of my book, By the Sea. I had this spot by the rocks. I would go sit the days I didn't have my kids and I would just sit there in my journal and grab ice coffee or Chick-fil-A on the way there, sit in the back of a truck and just sit there. But for me, it was as the

waves are coming to me, then I would just kind of say, okay, well, as the waves leave and take all that junk with you. Take my life, securities, just let it go. Yeah. Bring in the fresh and take out the garbage. Maybe that's why I enjoy standing in the, I always enjoy standing in the ocean with my feet and you kind of feel the waves move away from you and then come back in. It's almost like a little massage sort of thing, but you know, feeling the waves crash up against your feet and your legs and you know, and you just feel like you're connected to something and much bigger than yourself. And I remember sometimes I would just sit there and I'd be like, God, my problems are

silly. I can solve these. It's not that big of a deal. I'm going to be fine. All this stuff was here tomorrow. It'll be here again tomorrow. I can survive. And it would just give me that perspective.

So I like how you're doing the workshops there and different things. Do you do any coaching or call counseling things of that nature that we need to promote? I haven't yet, but we'll see where that goes. Yeah. Now this is your first book, right? Yeah, this is the first book. I have another one that I'm starting to write and then my daughters and I, we are starting to write a children's book. Pete Slauson Oh, there you go.

Lauren Larkin Mm hmm. Pete Slauson We just had a children's book author on, I think earlier today. Lauren Larkin Okay, awesome. Pete Slauson There you go. And yeah, I mean, children's books are really great because we need more children to read. That's really important. Yeah. I mean, looking at these stupid ass phones and growing up that way, I mean, I don't know about you and how young you are.

You're very young. But for me, I grew up in the age- Thank you. Not young, but I think you. We grew up in the, I grew up in the age where we didn't have phones. So you go look at the beach and you go do things and you go meet people and you'd interact with them one-on-one. And, uh, you know, and then these phones kind of, you know, are different. So I have a different perspective

on the world. Maybe you do too, but a lot of these young people, you know, they two years old, they were handed a iPad or a phone to keep them busy and kind of babysit them a little bit, but they've grown up with that world and a lot of them, you know, they can't see beyond this little sort of thing and they have trouble interacting in the world. So I love people write children's books. Do you want to tease out anything about it? Is there any anticipated date or title or? We, it's going to be about butterflies is down here in Texas. We're actually in the pathway of a moderate butterfly migration.

Really? So that's going to be the theme of it. It's not going to be a moderate butterfly. It's going to be a different kind. But the purpose of her little story is going to be she's going through life and she wants things to be a perfect way. And she's trying to figure out how to be this certain way. And she gets frustrated because it's really just not working out. And so by the end of the story, she's like, okay, let's reset. Let's look at the bigger picture. So that'll be kind of the premise for the children's story. Then the other one is going to be talking about different emotions and how they impact us and how to express those in a healthy way. Pete Yeah. That's always good too, because children sometimes struggle with being able

to express their emotions or being able to understand their emotions or what's going on with them and ask for help and different things. You know, the world comes at them really hard because, and they don't have a whole lot of callousness to, you know, me, I'm a jaded old man. You can throw shit at me all day long. I'm like, yeah, okay. If you're going to kill me, just leave. But yeah, I mean, when you're young and it's hard to interpret the world and I think a

lot of the children's books, they really help women or children interpret the world and kind of understand things or what's going better. And, you know, basically like, why are adults fucked up? How to understand your adult. Why is your parents dumb? No, I'm just kidding. Why are your parents the way they are? Like, what's going on with that?

And yeah, understanding, you know, giving them an outside picture, because sometimes they're, you know, sometimes they were parents that are on their own journey of trauma and resolution and trying to find that sort of thing. So I think that's, I think that's a worthy endeavor. And then you're writing with your daughters, I guess? Yeah. So two weekends ago, we had our whole kitchen table full with papers and drawings and storylines and plot twists and how is this going to work. But I want them to learn how to do those things too. So when they get to be older, they have another skill set in their pocket and they have something

to look forward to. Like, hey, like we published a book with Bob. Pete That is awesome, man. I mean, I wish my parents had got me started on that journey much earlier and stuff. But you know, it is what it is. But I'm glad you're getting them into it. Because yeah, it's kind of cool when you write a book. It's really hard. But when you first write a book, you get to walk around. People kind of treat you different too. It's really weird. They're like, oh, you write a book? Mr. Smartypants over here. Lauren Ruffin I don't know. There's a lot of editing. Pete Slauson That's the only thing I don't like about book writing is the editing part.

But you know, if you survive that whole thing, you come out the other side. And then what's really interesting is people just kind of look at you different because they, they understand how hard it is. A lot of people have tried to write a book and they, they just get lost in it. So what's, what's the future of what you see in your book writing thing? Are you gonna focus on the children's book? Do you just see maybe some other books coming out

of this one or a series or anything like that? Well, I think it might be a parallel journey with children's books and women's encouragement books. That's kind of where I think I'm gonna end up landing. I don't want to go too wide with my focus and then miss the niche of people I'm trying to focus on and reach, but I think that as far as women's ministry books, I do have several ideas already lined up. And then for the children's books, I'm kind of help allowing my daughters to guide that journey, but my little one, she

was already saying, oh we could have like a series of five books. And then she gave me the titles for my quote. Slow down. We got to get one done first. Yeah. Yeah. One, one of the time, but you know, people get there. Now I think you had a support you have just recently for those listening, sometimes 10 years from now on YouTube, it's 2025 in, what month are we in, July? There was recently some flooding that happened in Texas, and you're doing some support for that. Tell us about that. Kirsten Yeah, so it's probably a global story by now. So, Kerrville, Texas Hill Country, they had a lot of flooding, and they are inundated

with a lot of support already, which is great to see One thing that Jamie's and tenno ministries is kind of taking on is we are collecting school supplies For the schools up there. I'm in contact with three of the schools up there already and so we've got different boxes around town, so we're collecting the school supplies and Two weeks from now we'll be taking a drive up there to go deliver it to these kiddos. It's not going to help with all the burdens that these families have losing their homes and their loved ones, but if it can help with starting off with school and the families don't have to think about that burden at

least then hey, we can help with that. We can't do it all, but we can all do our part. Yeah. Something that can help them kind of return to normal. That's usually what people are looking for in crisis like that. They're trying to get the kids back in school and achieve some sort of a relativity of normalcy after something like that. And what a tragedy. I think they're still looking for some of those young people that were in a youth resort. And just some of the stories have just been horrifying to come out of there. But yeah, definitely good to help other people. What else have we talked about or plugged that we should let people know about, you?

Lauren Luzinski I mean, I just want to encourage everyone to keep on doing the best that they can. And I don't really have any other updates besides the Sea Glass Soul Retreat, the workshops and just getting these kiddos taking care and the best that they can. And I don't really have any other updates besides the sea glass soil retreat, the workshops, and just getting these kiddos taken care of for the whole country. Pete Slauson Well, thank you very much for coming on the show. We really appreciate it. Give us your dot coms. Where can people find you on the interwebs? Jamie Sweeney All right. It is www.jamiesandtenno.com. Pete Slauson Well, Jamie, thank you very much for coming on the show. We really appreciate it.

Jamie Sweeney All right. Thank you. Pete Thank you. And folks, order up a book where refined books are sold. The Sea Glass Soul, Forged by Fire, Tempered by the Sea, out December 3rd, 2024 by Jamie Zanteno. Forged by Fire, I did that the other night. Had the Taco Bell's buffet. So next morning it was a Forge by Fire. So I'm not sure what that means. People are like, there's no such thing as the Taco Bell buffet. That's the point, folks. Anyway, guys, thanks for tuning in to everyone.

Go to Goodreads.com, Forge has Chris Voss, LinkedIn.com, Forge has Chris Voss. Chris Voss won on the TikTokity and all those crazy places on the internet. Be good to each other. Stay safe safe we'll see you guys next time and that should have us out