The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – The Story of Paco by Lynne Andia

Episode Date: January 22, 2026

The Story of Paco by Lynne Andia https://www.amazon.com/Story-Paco-Lynne-Andia/dp/B0FJQB46MR How does he feel about the changes in his life? Paco, a bichon frise, tells the story of his life from his birth in Tennessee with his littermates to his homes in four other states, where he experiences different weather and adventures and meets people and dog friends along the way. A sociable dog, Paco loves the chance to play with other dogs while telling us how he feels about the changes that take place in his life, the jealous feelings others reveal to him, and how giving things a second chance is a good idea.

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Today, we have an amazing young lady on the show where we're talking about her book, but in the meantime, go to goodreach.com, Fortresschuschristchristch, Christfoss, LinkedIn.com, Fortress Christfuss, one, the TikTokity. All those crazy places in the internet. The latest book out July 8th, 2025, The Story of Paco by Lynn Andeia. We're going to get into it and find out this story of her beautiful little puppy dog. He was cute as a button who's on the cover of her book. And, of course, everyone knows I'm a dog lover, so it's hard to, it's hard to not feel for

these wonderful animals. She's a organizational development consultant. She helps employees perform as efficiently and effectively as possible and to support their organizational goals. This might be through diagnosing, eliminating obstacles to performances, modifying culture, helping employees adapt to change and creating environment. that supports performance. She has an MED in adult education and an MS in organizational development from two U.S. universities. Welcome the show. How are you, Lynn? I'm good. Thank you. It's a little bit

beautiful weather down here in Florida today. It's not too hot and it's not too cold. So I hope you're enjoying good weather too. Give us your dot-coms. Where can people find you on the interwebs? Okay. The best place to find me is on LinkedIn. My LinkedIn is pretty comprehensive. And they'd be to find the book, The Story of Paco, to find how to access it, as well as some articles that I've written about organization development and organizations. Yeah. And it looks like you've written quite a few books, a lot of them on HR and organizations and companies. Yes, I've, you know, pretty much about my field, which is, of course, organization development. Most people might think that more of organizational psychology, whereas you mentioned, the whole idea is how do we use

behavioral science and psychology to make things better at work for people so that there's less confusion, less conflict, and less of everything that, you know, we really want to avoid. Where's the fun in making people's lives easier? Are we supposed to just beat these employees down and make them work like slaves? No, I'm just, I mean, that's what we do around the Chris Vos show. We let them out of their cages every now and then. Or they're cubicles. We call it cubicles, but they have Gates. Now, you decided to write this story, kind of a departure from what you have tend to wrote about in your books in the past. Tell, give us an overview of what's inside this book. Well, you know, this is a story of Relive Kakko's journey from birth until his

unfortunate death at a ripe old age of almost 17. And really talks about, you know, his birth in Tennessee and then his journey through several states. He went to New Jersey, Pennsylvania, to Texas and then finally to Florida. And he talks about his experiences, meeting other dogs and people and things that have happened to him on his little adventure. And so it is the story of his little lucky. And tell us about Paco. What kind of dog is he, what does he look like for people that are listening to this

on the audio? Well, I can show you a picture of him. It's on the cover. He's a bejean. Freezer. He's a, this is him. A bejeon. Yeah.

And Bijon frisers were our little lap dogs. They were originally from Spain, and at some point they traveled with sailors. Eventually got sort of landed up in France, where they were, you know, the dog of kings and queens. And when they got tired of them, they became little circus performers on the street, street performers. And so today they're just darling little dogs that are, you know, very well-behaved, very lovable, and they're just perfect for children. Yeah, they're really cute. They have that beautiful white exterior and, and I've seen them perform, you know, bejons. They're really pumped, aren't they?

I think a lot of people like that style of dog, breed of dog. And so he lived with you. You raised him from a puppy 17 years. That's a really good run for a dog. Yeah, he was actually two months to the day shy of 17. We got him when he was five months old. he was supposed to be a show dog but breeder kept him

but when he got to be about five months old he realized that he had a crooked incisor which just meant that he was no longer able to be a show dog and so we got him in. That's a bummer. Total bummer. But yeah, he would make a beautiful show dog those dogs usually do.

I own Huskies and I think those shows are fixed because Huskies never win and they should have been a little. But I also think that about my Raiders with higher coaches every year. So I don't know. I could be just picking the wrong team. Who's the audience you've written this for? Who really cool? Do you want this to appeal to? You know, when I thought about it, I thought, you know, the audience is really for children who have a dog, want a dog, or just love dogs. And so that's the audience. Primarily, it's for children, I would say,

from ages five to maybe seven. And then young readers at maybe seven, eight, and nine might want to read it. And so the audience is really for, you know, children who would love to have a dog like this, but also to be able to learn for him because, you know, he was able to adapt. He raised change and he was able to balance his sad feelings with the excitement of meeting new friends and having new adventures. And, you know, if an older child reads it for himself, he may be able to relate to the feelings that the dog expresses as he experiences these new, you know, adventures. And if you're an adult reading it to a young child, you could be able to use it to really prompt conversation with your children about kindness and resilience and the universal feelings of jealousy, the fear of change, and the joy of making you friends. I remember when I was a kid, we'd had a, when I was a young child, we had a boxer.

He was quite big, it was a little bit. He could, he could burl all his way around. And then someone stole him one time when we left for Christmas vacation. and it was a pure red boxer, so I guess they wanted some money or something. But we never got another dog, and I fell in love with the, remember the Benji series for love of Benji and all that? Yeah, I became a real big Benji fanatic. And, yeah, I just thought the dog was so amazing. And so, yeah, it was quite the thing.

And I fell in love with younger dogs, but then as they were older, I don't know, for some reason, fell in love with wolves. So it's kind of enrolled on that one. And I forget it ever since. No, I'm just kidding. The fur is lovely. I love waking up with a mouthful of fur and fur in my coffee cup, but it's a labor of love. But yeah, these little dogs sure are cute. So would you call this a memoir of you or a memoir of you and your dog or a memoir of your dog? How would you frame this? You know, a memoir is written in the first person and it's a work of nonfiction. So it's based on the author's experiences. And Paco writes it from his perspective. So I guess the question is, is Paco the author? And I think he is. So yes, it is a memoir. Every new state that he traveled to is a new chapter

figuratively and literally in Paco's life. And, you know, that's where he gains his experience to tell this story. Ah. And 17 years. I mean, what a journey. And did you just have him during that time, or did you have other dogs? I only had Paco. He was the fellow. He was the main dog spoiled or rotten, probably, because he got everything. But 17 years is a good run. The oldest Husky I've gotten to do is just shy of 17. And then I think my other one was like 14.

And then my last one was 10. And then the other two are approaching 10. So it's kind of, it's really tough that you can spend as much time with these dogs. And they just, they just get right into your heart like nothing else because they have unconditional love. and they're hard to they're hard when you lose them it's a lot of grief there's some people that surmise that it's harder to lose a dog than it is another person because you know people can be kind of jerks you're like well I love them but there was that jerk part but you know dogs are just one out of percent love you know other than maybe eating a shoe of yours every now and then or chewing

something up or pooping on the bed or something you know out of you know they're wild stuff that sometimes they pull. They're just the greatest. And even then, they're sorry for it usually. So, yeah, except in puppy phase, like puppy phase, they just have to chew everything. So what do you, what do you find when you wrote the book that helps people with responses to change and dogs and people? How does that apply? I found that, you know, for dogs, as you know, are creatures of habit.

They love routine. And so, you know, you change their routine, and that can prompt some stress. And so people could be really anxious about a dog's ability to acclimate to a change environment. And that's true for a lot of people. You know, there's a lot of comfort in knowing what's going on. So, you know, a dog can be, you know, find this disruption rather unsettling. Some of them become more vocal. They become clingy, aggressive, or restless, and they can become stressed.

And, you know, there's this whole thing about resiliency. And so, you know, the question is, are dogs resilient? And I don't really know that, but Paco is seeing relatively unresistant. unfazed about all this change. And, you know, there are two things that can help explain that, I think. When I got Papa, he was five months old, and so he was with his mother for a long, long time. It gave him a lot of time to develop. The trust you build with his dog and the deep connection to you help reassure him. And on the way, for example, as we traveled from Pennsylvania to Texas, it was by car. Papa hated going by car, but he sat with me in the back seat the

entire way where I really could give him the comfort and the reassurance that he's needed. And whenever you experience the unknown and discomfort of change, having others who have been through the change and who can support you can really go a long way. And so, you know, with both people and dogs, we need to provide them with attention to find out what they need to be able to go through it well. That's good advice. That's good advice. Because, you know, sometimes they're scared. Like, I remember the first time I took one of my dogs on an elevator and she was flipping out because he's like, why are we stuck in this box and why is it moving?

And, you know, all that. And so it was kind of interesting how that played out. But yeah, getting in the elevator was definitely a trip for my dog. She was just like, yeah. And I'm sure they hear things that perhaps we don't because, you know. Oh, that's a really good point, isn't it? Yeah. I never thought of that.

Yeah, I never really thought about how that's probably a thing where they go through that and stuff, huh? Yeah. As some of the other things about the book, you talk about jealousy. What does the book tell us about jealousy? In terms of what Paco told her, you know, he experienced jealousy because the two of his good friends expressed it to him. And, you know, when we experience jealousy, it's because we perceive some sort of a friend. It could be a threat to a valued relationship or possession. And Little Mary was threatened by the perceived loss of love from her owner.

And it might have been about possessiveness as well. And probably the bond that she had with her owner and the fear of losing her owner's attention were the causes of her jealousy. They say that, you know, if a jug is jealous, it may whine, it can growl, it can engage in aggressive behavior. And that was true for Mary when she saw that her owner was. paying attention to Paco, she didn't like him. She yanked him by his earflap. She dragged him several feet while growling at him. And Papa never went back to her owner again. He just got the message that, you know, I need to just stay away. And it was also the fear of losing affection for Mary that another dog bit Paco on the nose because Mary seemed to prefer Paco to this other

particular dog. So, you know, a lot of similarity there to what goes on with people. people are not getting along there eh but yeah it's a oh what can you do it's uh it's crazy how the dogs are so it sounds like it's got some life lessons intertwined with it uh you talk about dogs resisting giving things a second chance and what we can learn from him at giving things a second look maybe correct um and for you know papa there were a couple of things that he tried he didn't like and he never did it again you know for all of us you know take Taking a chance can be scary. You might want to jump out of an airplane. It might be exciting and thrilling, or it can be terrifying. You know, is the roller coaster right going to be great or not? So you don't know what it's going to be like. And when Paco fell into the pool, it was definitely unexpected. It was scary. He spurted water. He gulped as he came up for air. And so he learned, don't go into the pool. And he never did again.

you know, when he went from his loving birth home into a plane where it was dark and scary, you know, that was another new thing for him. And he said to us he never wanted to go into a plane again. If you want to give things a second chance, you can learn from your past experience so that you can make a better choice, you can make a better plan. But obviously, you know, Paco wasn't able to do that. He couldn't process how to make the plane ride better or the pool experience better. So he just learned, don't go into the pool.

And, you know, even though I might miss out on fun, even though when he saw his best buddy Teddy jump in, he just said, I've been there, not doing it again. Teddy's pretty smart. I like how he rolls. So Teddy's quite a smart little boy after 17 years. What are some other topics that adults might explore with a child or reading the book? Is it, I guess it's a good book to read to a child? Yeah, I think so. You know, for example, a lot of parents have the experience of trying to get a child to eat a different food.

It's a challenge, and if they're successful in getting them to try it once and it doesn't go well, you know, they're never going to try it again. So if someone reads a story to a child, it's really an opportunity to talk about giving things a second chance, like trying a different food a second time or maybe trying to participate in an activity or a sport that didn't go so well the first time. You know, it's also an opportunity, I think, for an adult to talk to a child about any changes that might be going on in their life, like maybe they're going to move or even going to school or getting promoted from one grade to the next. You know, parents could really use it to encourage them to express their feelings of sadness or fear and help them do what most of us don't do joy change, which is we tend not to focus on what good might come from it, but we obsess about everything that we're going to lose might go through that change. Good lessons of life through the book. And I've learned to be a better person through my dogs as well. Any advice for people thinking about getting a puppy or a dog of the size, a smaller way dogs there like Paco?

Yeah, and I'm sure you'll have some ideas as well. You know, you can find all kinds of guidance on the Internet. But there are a couple of points that I'd like to make. And one is, you know, a dog is an animal. Paco looks like a toy, but he isn't. You know, baby animals are adorable, whether it's a bunny, a baby elephant. or a puppy, they have enormous appeal and they're seductive and they're very hard to resist. We can't buy a dog on a whim, right? It's an investment of time and money. You have to spend time

to pay attention to them, to discipline them, to train them and love them. So the first thing to keep in mind, I think, is that, you know, it's not a spontaneous decision. And if your child is reading this book with you and the inevitable question comes up of, you know, can we get a dog? You might want to be ready for that, right? The other thing, you know, the other thing, you know, thing that I really think it would be good advice for people is that don't get a puppy too young. Never before eight weeks and the longer the better. Mother dogs really pay a huge role in shaping their pup's early development. They learn how to interact with siblings and their mothers. They practice playing. They learn boundaries. A mother dog is going to teach a puppy that you don't bite too hard or

she'll yelp with them or growl or maybe stop playing with them. And that's really important for the dog to know the control of the strength of his bites. And so, you know, dogs just stay with their moms. They're more secure. They're more confident. They're less fearful. And so I really suggest that, you know, you get a puppy that was with the family between 10 to weeks, 10 to 12 weeks, if you possibly can. And I think because Paco was with his mother for five months really helped him become a much more competent and resilient dog. Oh, and I have one other idea before I let you pipe in, Chris, with yours and that is you have to have patience

as one of your traits. You know, puppies don't know what you want and you need to be patient with them while they learn and I'm sure Paco would suggest the same to you if you asked him. So what do you add to my points Chris? What would you suggest to people who want to get a dog?

I would say first do a lot of research and I love your points. I agree totally with all of your points. Great points there. I'd say do a lot of research. Find the dog that fits you, you know, and the other thing is find out if you need more than one dog or if you need a yard. Like for dogs like this, a house is okay, but I think I'm a big believe that dogs need a yard and they don't need to be kept in crates all day. If they've got to be kept in crates all day,

you're doing something wrong. When they're puppies or you're doing crate training for for going potty, then a crate is fine. But there's a certain point where you don't need that anymore or you shouldn't eat that anymore. The other thing I would find out is, you know, I have breeder friends that they don't let people have dogs until the kids are like 12 or 10 or eight because they just don't know how to deal with the dog. You know, I've watched, I've watched, you know, well-meaning toddlers that are, you know, they're kind of babies, I don't know, two or three. I'm not, I never had kids, so I'm not good at calling their age, but, you know, they're about two feet off the ground, two and a half feet off the ground. They're pretty much at

the height of the dog's head. And I've seen. I've seen. I've seen. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not a kid. I'm them go up and they'll, they just want to grab and pet the dog, but they've got those little claw fingernails, and they'll, they'll just grab the dog like a claw. And of course, the dog, you know, that hurts the dog and the dog will take and bite them. And then you got a little kid going, you bit me. And it's like, well, I watch what you did. You claw grabbed them. And they just don't understand these things because they're children. They just haven't developed enough. And that can cause some real problems. I've seen dogs that they've had abuse. They've poked at in their cage, their crates, when you try and either go in, reach into their crate

to grab something, you know, even giving them food or a tree, they'll be defensive. You know, I've had kids come out of my house and poke at my dogs through the fence. So it's really important that you have a good setup in your home, that your family's stable, too. I see a lot of people that get dogs that shouldn't have dogs. You know, if you're overwhelmed with three, four children, probably getting a dog is going to help you not be overwhelmed and you're bringing dog into just a chaotic environment and that's really hard on the dog and it's really hard on the kids too like i you know we were i we went through this as children too where my parents got like a little black labrador and i think they tried one

other time with us where they got a dog and you know we promised we'd feed it and play it with it and clean up to poo and you know we'll do it and you know my parents went yeah we know how this game works you're not going to do it. I'm going to end up stuck with his dog. And, you know, sure enough, that happened every time. And, you know, a lot of times, you know, the dog could just be that flash in the pan attention thing. And then we'd be off to something else. Well, the poor dog needs love and attention. You know, my dogs almost have a schedule with me that I have to go spend with them. You know, every time I get out on a podcast, they go check on them. But, you know, having doggy doors, having a way for them to get out to go potty, to go wander around the yard

are really important. And I highly recommend it. I think that's some of the advice. One of the things I didn't do was when I got my huskies, I didn't do research on huskies. I just thought it was another dog. And huskies are a whole new level of crazy and independent. Thinker, they're very independent. And I had no idea what I got myself into. And probably not until six months or a year later, I started looking up stuff, reading,

and finding out that I was way off base on so many things that I was doing with my dogs and is why I was having problems. So do a lot of research. That's really important. Yeah. And, you know, one of the things about beijons is that they don't like to be left alone. Yeah, the very family. I will send my dog out in the yard, but he doesn't spend much time out there unless I'm out there with him.

And, you know, so you need to take that into account. Yeah. With huskies, you have to have two dogs. It's really crazy. When I first got my first husky, I was in my mind for the first year, I was taking her doggy daycare. And she's still come home just cracked out with more energy in a second win. and I'm like, we've seen you to doggie daycare and it burn through all this crap and I'm tired at the end of the day. So my friends kept telling me, they're like, you need a second husky, you can't win husky.

And I'm like, shut up. I'm not doing that. It's stupid. That's illogical. It's just double the problems. Turns out it's not. It's the opposite. The two of them will go play.

They'll go hunt. They'll go adventure. They'll go do all their stuff. They'll fight. They'll roll. They'll play. It takes such a load off you. But you need two husky.

And then you've got to be prepared for stuff. Like, you know, with huskies, you're probably never going to have to wear. If you want to wear anything black, you're going to have to take it, I don't know, out of the house and change it into bathroom stalls somewhere. But even then, it's still going to have those airs on it. You know, your little bejean is a beautiful white puppy. I'm sure maybe, did you have a lot of shedding there? Well, the good thing about bejons is that they have hair and not fur and they don't shed. So you have to grow them.

So that, you know, that is another big chore. Their eyes get that stuff on their eyes. Yes. Yeah. I remember when actually, yeah, one of my employees had a bejean. He'd bring it to work every now and then. And he was really funny because he was like this male model. And he had like this little dog and we're like, that's going to interesting.

He's like, he was like on steroids. He's like a big guy and he had this little puppy. And you're just like, shouldn't you have a man's dog? But I'm just funny. But he had one of these and the nose would always get all dirty in the eyes. And I'm like, you need to go out and cleaned up. You know, one of the interesting things that my breeder said, I mean, she's been breeding these dogs for decades. She told me, give him purified water.

Really? She said, because if you give him tap water, he'll get little red, little red, I don't know what it is, something red around his eyes. That's very attractive. And she was right. I was giving him to be purified. stuff for a while and sure not we got this ugly red stuff around his eyes and so you know bottled water so another thing for people to think about is expense right yeah and surgeries and hospitals and all that stuff yeah i mean i just learned something new we just got a boy dog for the first time

out of the five husky dogs i have and uh i was about to go get him uh neutered i think neuter spade I don't know which one of my friends says, whoa, whoa, whoa, with boy dogs, there's some kind of plate that closes on them and you got to give it two years. And I had no idea, never heard of this plate thing. There's some sort of growth plate inside of it that needs to form. And if not, you can create problems down the road.

And since I've only had four other girl dogs, I had no idea. You know, I usually usually after, whenever you can send them for six months or whatever, to get the cone of shame on them. They have to wear for two weeks. It's a nightmare. I'll be, I'll be asleep at night and listen to them banging and on the door, the doggie door trying to get through. Yeah, the cone of shame is always, I hate that two weeks. But anything more we want to talk about and tease out about the book on the story of Paco or anything else you're doing with your works. Um, you know, I just,

I'm fine. Obviously, you know, I'm working with people. I'm working with people in the workplace and all the, you know, obstacles that people have to go through. And, you know, one of the things that happens at work, happens in your personal life, is this whole thing about change, which really interested me and certainly interested me about, you know, Paco and how he adapted to change. One of the things, I guess, what I'd really like managers to recognize is that, you know, Paco's story says a lot about his heart. And managers, when they are introducing a change to their workplace, are very logical about it. You know, we have to, you know, we have to, do this, then we have to do this, and then we take care of that. And they neglect to think about

how the change is going to impact people in terms of the changes to their relationships or to their routines or to their insurities or to their sense of loss. And so, you know, when people are reading the book, although it's not for adult, you know, I hope one of the takeaways would be, you know, if an adult is trying to introduce change in the workplace, how can he or she start thinking about how can I make this easier for people by recognizing that they have insecurity about change. They have a fear of change. It's uncomfortable for people. And when you're asking them to do something new, if they were really, really good at the old way of doing something, this new way now is going to cause them to step back. And they're no longer that expert. And so, you know, putting a little

bit of healing and empathy into initiating change is really helpful. And I hope, you know, Paco's way of staying, okay, this might be, you know, a loss of my friends, but guess what? I'm going to have new friends and I'm going to have new adventures and I'm going to have a new state to visit. So I hope they can take some, you know, really realistic applications from it and think about how they can use that in the context of work. Learning, growing, and developing more. And you can learn through Paco. and it's a great way for children to learn as well. And, of course, reading to your children is really important. We always advocate for this on the show.

We have so many authors, so we're kind of biased a little bit. But, you know, my mom read to me in the womb. She read to me as we grew up. She wrote to me stories in the womb. And, you know, reading to your kids, especially nowadays, you know, I was lucky I kind of grew up in that era where we didn't have social media. So people had to read to each other and entertain each other. But, you know, I understand.

understand my parents, you know, babysit the kids with the electronic devices, but there is a time to give them some balance and show them that there's a reality outside of that other than just doom scrolling through. Can't imagine being eight doom scrolling through the internet. Can you imagine going through the era right now as an eight-year-old? I think you're from my generation-ish. You know, I tutor second graders in reading. The way that school is orchestrated these days is just bizarre. bizarre in my mind. It's nothing like how it was when I went to school. And each one of the children have the laptop that's assigned to him or her. And one of the reading things that we do is they go online and they select a story and there's a narration of the story and then they have to go back and read it themselves. And then they have to take the quiz by themselves. And it's really, I think, takes away from that whole, you know, you read a sentence and you might stop and say. So what do you think that means? Or have you ever heard that word before? Or what would you do in that situation? So it's a

little bit more wrote. And I guess as they get older, it's the whole process change it. But it seems like they're missing out on a lot of let's read, let's talk, let's figure out what's going on here, you know, and really have a good discussion from it. What do I know? Well, you know, I mean, I've learned more from my dogs than maybe they've learned from me. I think most of them they just sit around. They're husky so they just sit around and go, this guy's an idiot. You know, they're pretty independent thinkers, and they're designed to be that way so that they can stop the dog team when they're out in the wild. And, you know, even though I'm yelling much, you know, they have knowledge ahead of them that tells them, hey, this is a dangerous area.

I need to stop and not listen to my owner. Unfortunately, you do that with everything. They're like, no, don't go out the gate. They're like, I'll get back to you on that. Meanwhile, I'll go out the gate. It's how they roll. Well, thank you very much for coming to show. We really appreciate it. Some great life lessons and lessons for children to utilize as they grow up. The story of Paco out July 8, 2025.

Lynn, give us your dot-coms. Any place on the interwebs you want to be able to find you before? It would just be my LinkedIn, and it's just Lynn Andia, L-Y-N-N-E-A-N-D-I-A. It was wonderful to have you on. Thank you very much, Lynn. Okay, well, thank you, and enjoy your dogs. All right, thank you. You too.

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