The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Things To Remember Before I Forget: My Plan for My Care by Niki Tucker, Jenna Tucker

Episode Date: November 9, 2025

Version 1.0.0 Things To Remember Before I Forget: My Plan for My Care by Niki Tucker, Jenna Tucker Things to Remember Before I Forget is a journal for people on the path of aging who seek a more comfortable, happy life. By identifying options that reflect your individual desires, this book empowers you to create a plan of care on your own terms. If you or a loved one are dealing with a diagnosis of dementia, this journal also offers prompts to record the things that are most important to you, along with your preferences for care, so there will be no need for guesswork when it is time for the family or a care partner to assist you. Written by Niki and Jenna Tucker, a mother and daughter team with more than twenty-three combined years of experience working in the field of senior care and memory care, Things to Remember Before I Forget is a thoughtful companion to help you achieve the best quality of living in the later stages of life.

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Nikki Tucker, one of the authors, joins us on the show. And you can find when you Google the book, it's under Jenny Tucker, as well as the author. So we're going to get into it with her. We're going to find out more about her details and why she wrote this book and all that good stuff. Nikki holds a master's degree in social work and is a licensed social worker with certified care manager. She runs a senior services agency in Portland, Oregon, providing in-home care and care management to vulnerable adults. She and her daughter, Jenna Tucker, our CNA work wrote, sorry, I got a computer. camera my way. Jenna Tucker is a CNA and together they wrote this journal with to help people

plan ahead for their own care needs. Welcome to the show, Nikki. How are you? Thank you. I'm doing great. Happy to be here. Happy to have you as well. Give us your dot-coms. Where do you want people to find you on the interwebs? C-star. That's S-E-A-S-T-A-R, Senior Services.com. So give us a 30,000 overview of what's inside this new book so the the the what the 30,000 overview what's inside your book what's inside my book okay the book is a guided journal it's not something you're going to sit and read it's something you're going to fill out and the purpose of it is to make your plan for your own care take control back over your life so that if you end up with a traumatic brain injury or dementia or something else where you're not able to verbalize what type of care you want

you've already laid it out for the people providing your care. That's kind of the overview of the entire book. Well, that's an important thing to have, right? Yes. It is. We were talking before the show. I know a lot more people are living longer and they're having aging issues. Dementia, Alzheimer's.

There's, you know, those people do have brain injuries. I've had some friends that have fallen in their old age and gotten some brain injuries that affect them in their ability to move around and noises and stuff like that. So it's important to have these, you know, even if you're a young person, you know, you're riding a motorcycle, you get a brain injury in your coma, you know, people can know how and what to do with you and how you want your care to be. Does it include, what's that, what's that thing that they talk about in wheels and stuff? I know I have one after COVID that talks about what should

happen if you are brain dead if you want them to unplug you or not so there is a there is a part in there about what type of care you would want in certain situations like you were had a terminal disease or were unconscious but these are not legal documents and we state that in the book this is not a legal document it's just to let people know what you want but we do encourage people please see an attorney and get those legal documents drawn up as well those are important to have so that people know what to do. The only problem is as soon as I declared that I want to be put down as soon as I'm brain dead, my employees keep coming trying to figure out how to unplug me. So evidently I've been brain dead for a while. But we all know that. What prompted you to write

this book? It was kind of funny because my daughter and I were working on a mother-daughter guided journal. We answered questions about our life and growing up. And I was getting ready for bed one night after after working on it and I got in bed and I am I hate to wear pajamas. It's just a thing of my I hate to wear them and I'm getting in bed and I thought I need to tell my daughter not to put me in pajama bottoms when I go to bed when she's taking care of me 20 years from now and then I kind of laughed and thought well she's not going to remember that 20 years from now I should write it down and then literally it's like a light bulb just went off on my head and I jumped out bed and I woke up and I said Jenna Jenna we've got to write a book and

we sat we were up till three in the morning coming up with well what about this and what about that and all these different ideas for things that we would like to know if we're taking care of somebody that we'd like to know about them. And that's good to have, I mean, nowadays, because, you know, people don't think about these things. They're kind of macabre to think about, right? One of the things I don't like about these discussions is it's kind of like, well, let's talk about you when you die, you know?

That's part of the book, too, unfortunately. I'm looking forward to you being dead and let's talk about how cool it's going to be. you're gone and you know it's just there's some macabness to it that's just uh kind of depressing i find and and we ask where the treasure's buried that's oh yeah yeah am i in the will or not exactly you know that sort of stuff yeah how much do i get from this uh whole thing here you know it's it's it's it's it's just uh i i saw a lot of this sort of issues in the mortgage business um where people would you know put seize their parents home because they were quote unquote, you know, they couldn't

live on their own. Oh, nine times out of ten, I found they were. It was just usually an asset grab usually. And, oh, grandma can't function well. I've talked to grandma on the phone. She functions pretty well. She came in and signed her papers and stuff. But, you know,

so I've seen a lot of interesting things happen with fights between siblings over inheritance and money and throwing the parents and the old home folks, as far as I'm concerned, sometimes to wait. too early. And, you know, because grandpa is $30,000 in his equity. So we should, you know, he can go early. And that's one of the questions we ask, too, is, you know, what type of care?

You know, do you want to stay at home with a caregiver? Do you want to be in a facility? I look at these senior facilities. I'm in and out of them all the time. I'm thinking, oh, my gosh, they've got food and they've got house cleaning and they've got activities. I'm thinking, where do I sign up? But some people are like, I want to stay home with my furniture and my things around me. And so that's one of the things that we don't know what people want until they've written it down or told us. Yeah. I know my mom, you know, it's important for her to have her care in the home. No one wants to die in a hospital or be in a hospital bed unless it's, you know, completely necessary. And she also has some special insurance that pays for her care.

That's true. Is that really good? It is. We see a lot of people who don't have that and it's expensive, but when you want to go and live in a facility and you don't have money in savings, but you've got that long-term care policy, that's a golden ticket. It really, I really think it is, or at least I hope it is, you know, the insurance companies are kind of a pain these days when you ask them to pay out. But, you know, it builds it in so that she can stay in her home longer. You know, I feel the same way. My grandmother died in her home, and, you know, it's just better down at home.

I hate hospitals and doctors offices with their passion. In fact, you know, so her having that access, knowing that she wants, above all things to try and live in her home as long as she can and die in her home, that's important to her. And so she's communicated that and she's invested, I mean, over decades for the service to take care of her. And, yeah, I mean, it's really important. My sister, of course, she took care of my sister for a longest time when my sister developed MS and started falling apart. And once it got to the point where, you know, my sister required two people to help her with the bathroom and help her get showered, you know, you have to move to a medical facility. There was, there's just a way you can take care of people sometimes once they get to that point. And so, you know, my sister has to live in one of those nursing homes and they're not always fun.

She's been in several different ones and all sorts of issues and employee issues and personnel issues and number of nurses. is. And so it's not fun. And so, yeah, being able to stay in your home, it's way more comfortable than, you know, eating hospital food, I guess. I don't know. And one of those things, Chris, when people move into those, and that's kind of what spurred this on to my daughter in memory care, but when we would take someone on home care, people would come to our attention that needed care, and they couldn't tell us what they like. They couldn't tell us what they like to eat or what time they want to go to bed. And so we just make up a care plan based on, well, we think they might go to bed at 8 o'clock,

but we think they like corn, so we're going to give them corn. The book is the purpose. So you can write down ahead of time. So when you go into that home, they've got all that written down. They don't have to guess at what food you like or your bedtime routine. It's all in place and people can be cared for the way they want to be. Yep. My mind says I want tacos and pizza 24-7.

I had a client that I was told when I'd go visit him to bring a McDonald's. And I visited him once a month, and he was nonverbal, but I'd walk in that door with that little golden archer's bag, and he would just light up. He would be so excited to see that. But if we didn't know that ahead of time, he would have never gotten McDonald's again. Oh, wow. Well, that's really important to know. I mean, you've got to have some of those goodies just sneak in from the hospital food and

whatever. Now, tell us some more details in the book. And you recommend that everyone should do it at probably at any age to, you know, if something happens to you, you get a car accident, et cetera, et cetera. What are some of the chapters in the book? What do they discuss and things? So one of them is a chapter called About Me. And it's just very basic.

Who am I? You know, what do I like? What are my preferences? What's my personality like? Am I an introvert? Am I an extrovert? You know, so it's a little bit about you and your personality. That's the first chapter.

another chapter is like said foods what are your food preferences do you what vegetables do you like what ones do you dislike what fast food do you like what is your preference to drink and so it's all about food food allergies are you allergic to anything a third one is medical information it's kind of frustrating as the care manager I'll get a client and I'll take them to the hospital and they'll want to do an MRI and they'll say can we do an MRI and I'm like I don't know I don't know if there's a metal in this person's body. And so that's one of the questions that's in the book is medical history. Can you have an MRI? Another one's immunizations. Immunizations are a hot topic right now. Some people don't want them. Some people give me every jab you can. So one of the

questions is what immunizations have you had? Which ones do you want to continue to have? And so people, again, can decide for themselves what they want. That's important. It's important to know these things most definitely and then how you want your care maybe maybe you should have like a you know how van hailing used to have like that list of things they wanted on their show writer and they would do as a test to see if people actually read it and like i think ozie had a thing where he only wanted brown m&ms so someone had to go through a whole bag of m&Ms pull the brown ones separated that people's in that's so they knew the stage is going to work i think i think it came out at one time the stage crashed or collapsed and they realized

that the promoters weren't paying attention and so they're like we need to if they'll pay attention to the basics these things they'll pay attention to everything else hopefully so that's what I would probably have in mind I'd be like I want just the red M&Ms to be playing my bowl every

day yeah and you can I won't eat them but I'll just make sure but you know that you they know you read it and they know what's going on better or I'll just be an asshole about the whole thing I'll be like I want red M&Ms on every third day but every fourth day I want green

but I can tell you you're going to drive a caregiver crazy then I can already see that right now I want to take care Chris you take care Chris and I only want I only want hot caregivers too and we get that we get that we get these really we get these older men who are like I want a young caregiver to come give me my shower and you have to say I know Oh, a shower. I didn't even think about that. What am I doing? We've had those requests.

Yeah, all I know is like Marlon Brando, you know, he had a really great nurse, and he ended up marrying her. I think he gave her everything, too. So she cashed in on that deal. Yes, but, you know, I mean, you want to stay alive, and, you know, that's like a, you know, a hot nurse to keep you alive. I remember my dad, he called me one time, and he was really depressed. he gone in the hospital and

he turned total gray and got all of his fluids were wrong and so they had to reanimate him but I remember he had a pretty fearful thing going on of his voice and he called me up and so I started talking about hot nurses and if he'd hit on the nurse I was just doing a rap

and that made him cheered up he cheered up and suddenly he was laughing he was happy and you know he's married he's not going to do anything and but you know just just just uh you know getting the guy cheered up in his life. Sometimes that can help.

So what else in the book should do we need to tease out or maybe we should cover? Well, and that's interesting. You mentioned what he was scared of because that is a section and there's, what are you afraid of? Because if somebody has dementia and there's a thunderstorm, it's important for us to know that they're afraid of thunder so that we can react accordingly that they're not misbehaving because of just no reason all, but the thunder is frightening them.

And so there's a section on what scares you or what makes you happy, What cheers you up? It asks about childhood memories that are important. It asks about loss in people's lives. What have they lost? So just a lot of different questions. So we can really get a complete, you know, 360 degree picture of who this person is and what's important to them. It might help when the person gets Alzheimer's dementia because I've heard different things like, what was a good example of this?

It was, who's the guy who sung the song, the Italian Krooner. Tony, Tony Bennett. Tony Bennett. And Tony Bennett had this thing where he got Alzheimer's, and he couldn't remember hardly anything. But if they gave him a mic and put him on stage and played the piano or one of his songs, he would kick right into gear and sing him. And, you know, I would imagine having some of this data, maybe if you're a caregiver who didn't, who wasn't a family member of this person, you could look through this data. And maybe you could find stuff that would help, you know, maybe calm them, you know, play their favorite music, you know, help make their experience you know if i had dementia you know my favorite bands is metallic and rush i'd love to have you know that played every now and then i might i might come out of dimension

long enough to head bang do air guitar you know music is amazing i have had clients completely nonverbal who don't say a word and then we get music therapists in and they are singing along and i'm thinking where did that come from it comes from a different part of the brain and music is just it's almost like a miracle to see what happens but it's funny because the songs that we sing with our clients are things like you know my Bonnie lies over the ocean or bicycle built for two and I can't help

but wonder what are it going to be the songs you know 30 40 years from now that it's going to be a dirty gangster rap that people are going to be like ah I don't want to hear that ah what do you say talking bad about women what was that word yeah so yeah but

shaking booties in the in the rest So, I guess. Yeah, exactly. Future. It's amazing to see, to see how people respond to music. Yeah. Yeah. I should look into what my sister, what we're doing for my sister in the music realm of that.

I know, I know she, I know she loves music and there's music she loved. So I don't know. Maybe we should look into what that's about and stuff. So, yeah, I might be used to look into it. We tried to get music therapy for most of our clients just because we've just seen really good things with it. Mm-hmm. Well, that's important. So let's talk about some of the service you offer on your website. Is this open to a lot of other folks out there? Or how does it work? So we are, I own a home care agency. And so we provide caregivers and people, for people who want to stay home, we'll provide a caregiver in the home to take care of them, you know, everything from just companionship to assistance with showering, bathing, dressing, medication, administration. We also do kind of a specialized service we have as we do outings where we take clients out of their home or the facility.

We take them to medical appointments or social outings. We're in Portland, so we're near the coast. We've taken clients to the coast for the day. And we have wheelchair vans so we can take people who are in wheelchairs also. And then we provide care management services, which it's kind of like the things you or your mom are doing for your sister where you provide the care for her. You're making sure that she has good caregivers. making sure she's in a good facility, you're arranging for music therapy, and that's what

our care managers do. They coordinate services for seniors. So those are the services we offer in my agency. And people can reach out to you for help and stuff like that. Do you do consulting or coaching at all or anything like that? We do consulting. I get called some people who just need some help of, you know, what do I do for mom or how can I do this? And so we'll talk to them and kind of walk them through the steps. Yeah. It's, you know, these are the things that we have to deal with. And, And, you know, it's sad to watch people disappear and, you know, and who they were disappear and they forget you, which is really weird, you know, because you're just like, you know me. I remember there's a time where my sister would call me once a week and wish me happy birthday.

And I remember pushing back and being like, Delaney, it's not my birthday. Are you okay? And then finally, I had to learn. I kind of learned this on my own. I made it up. And we've since had some characterics like yourself on the show that talked about this. but one of the things I had to learn was sometimes it's easier just to play along to make it easier for them. And so I would always, you know, once a week, oh, thanks for remember my birthday, Dylan.

Oh, it's so wonderful that you care, yada, yada, yada. Because when I told her that it wasn't my birthday, that would be very upsetting to her. And then she would be confused and upset and anxiety. And so it was better just to play along. And, you know, I'm not going to win any wars of being right. And you're right. We have a client that the son visits his mom every couple weeks, and every time he visits her, he keeps telling her dad's dead.

And every time it's a brand new trauma to her because she can't remember that her husband died. And we had to coach him on, don't do that. Yeah. Interferval. Yeah. They're very true. Very true. My sister has the same thing.

Every now and then she'll bring up my father's passing. And where's dad? One of the other things that's really hard is sometimes she'll be like, she'll, She'll be like, when do I get to go home? That's the other kicker that kicks you in the fields. She'll be like, when do I get to go home from this place? When am I getting out? And my mom will have to deal with that process.

So, oh, what can you do? What can you do? These are the things that we deal with. But I'm glad you put out this book. Do you see you putting out other books that maybe can help people through these dilemmas of aging? You know, I really don't because there's a lot of good books out there, a lot of other ones that deal with other topics than mine, but also to do with aging. My daughter and I are actually working on a children's book now, so we'll see how that goes kind of at the other end of the lifespan. Nice, nice.

A children's book, is it going to deal with the same sort of topics or maybe something? Yep, just something fun, something different. I have two grandchildren. They're three grandchildren, but my grandsons are two and three, and it's kind of geared towards that age and just kind of some fun stuff that we're working on. Yeah, it's probably a little too young to give him the option of, why doesn't Mommy remember who I am anymore? Yeah, kind of a little bit. We probably shouldn't, probably shouldn't share that with five-year-olds yet. Give us some time before you remember the rest of the only.

Yeah, that's a hard one. That's a hard one to grasp. Yeah, yeah. Why? What's the horror of getting old? Yeah, I mean, it's bad enough. They're dealing with, you know, Santa Claus and the monster under the bed and all that stuff. Why pile on at that point, you know?

Besides, you've got to pace yourself at the horrors you're going to find. There's plenty of time to learn about, like you said, all the horrors that are lying ahead for you. You're trying to have your shit scared out of you for the rest of your life. But, no, this is good. You know, my mom, she has her folder of things that she needs taking care of if she were to become incapacitated, maybe a coma. So she has things that she has this folder where she has things that, you know, medication, that she needs to be on, bills that need to be paid.

I think she has most stuff automated, but you have to make sure that the plates are spinning and everything. Part of it is my sister's care because my mother cares for my sister, so someone's got to take that over as well. And so I don't know, is this stuff you recommend as well, the financial ends of it, the paying bills?

And then, of course, she has in the folder what to happen if the unthinkable happens, of course. Right. It has, in the book, there's information about, how our bills paid or they set on auto what are the passwords to log into those

so people can log in and pay that for it. My mother, thankfully, when my mother passed, she had her computer and she lived alone so everything was, I just logged into the computer all I had just clicked the thing and popped right up and made it very easy for me. She probably didn't need a passwords? Is there a way to

ordain somebody as the person to go in and delete your web browser history? Asking for a friend. I have a friend like that. I've already told her a couple things she needs to do when I'm gone. I need to have two computers set up. I have two computers set up. The one that the family can get into to find out my YouTube money and my accounts and stuff.

And then just, I don't know, that computer over there. Exactly. That's why you clear your browser every night before you go to bed, Chris. Oh, that's, that's, I'll make a note of that. So, yeah, these, I mean, these discussions, are, how do you, how do you advise people and how to have these discussions? Because I hate having them. I just, I, I love my mom. I hate talking to her in the sense of like, if she's not here or if she dies. I really want her to live to like 150 and she doesn't want to live to 150. Evidently,

I can't, I can't, I can't even talk her to live into 100, but, I mean, she's, she's the one who's got to do it. But how do we how do we broach these things not being so uncomfortable? Because it's uncomfortable for me and I don't like it. I think that's one of the things this book helps with because it does ask a lot of those uncomfortable questions. Okay. So you let the book handle the uncomfortable things like. And then go through it with her. Say, hey, mom, you put this. Do you want to expand on this? Or do you want to talk about this? Can we have a discussion about it? Oh, there you go. Giving them a book to write down the thoughts is also a diary piece to it. So like they can right, when they're filling out their section, there's a part where they can say how they were

feeling on that day. So it's kind of a journal, too. And it just kind of really opens a door for conversations to have with your family about what you're writing. Does it give instructions on how to cut other family members out of the will that are the shitheads in the family? He does not. I need to do another version. Yeah, could you do an updated second book for me? How to how to make sure that you don't take care of the bad family members and the I had to identify them, how to strike them from the will, and also make sure they don't show up at the funerals. I got lucky. I just had one older brother, have one older brother.

And he and I, there was no fighting. He's like, here's the money. I was the executor. I would send him, this is why I spent the money on. Here's how much is, and he wouldn't even, I do spreadsheets, these elaborate spreadsheets of where the money was going. He never even looked at him. He says, I trust you. Yeah, the executor of the will, I mean, that's a lot to take on.

I've had some friends had to take it on. And sometimes you've got to pay bills, even though you don't have, you know, you got to take care of certain things. And so, you know, there's that, you know, knowing how to navigate probate, knowing how to navigate, I guess, an attorney or reading of the will, you know, all that, all that stuff, you know, it's hard. Do you talk about that in the book, or is that maybe now in the second book we're establishing? It's a little bit on that. Basically, it's just, do you have a will who's the executive? Yeah. We don't go into, like again, we can't.

Some of those are probably attorney related, huh? Yeah. We refer people to talk to an attorney and get their help on that. Yeah. Always consult your attorneys. Yes, exactly. And we're not a medical provider. That's it.

We're not medical provider, so we're not giving medical advice either. Yeah. And that, you know, that's something that's important, too. My mom takes certain medications for her health, and she wants to make sure that those are taken. You know, I have to take magnesium on a daily basis or my whole bowel system decides to turn to cement. I've learned that the hard way in my old age. And so I have to make sure my magnesium's up. And so make sure you give me magnesium every day, maybe an egg ball.

I don't know what that means. A can of Coke. Maybe a Mountain Dew, you know, maybe a red hole. Dr. Pepper. Oh, I was a big Dr. Pepper fan in high school. We filled a hole. They installed, they didn't have pop in our high school. high school back of the day. This is how old I am. It was before they invented pop

clearly. And they were like, they had a big vote of whether or not we should have pop machines. And so we finally, after fighting and arguing with high school for years, got pop machines. And so we were always high on Dr. Pepper caffeine and probably a diabetic delivery level of sugar. And so we filled a whole high school locker room with Dr. Pepper cancer to celebrate that win. And it has a lot of cans. Now I look back on it's a lot of cans. Yeah,

we even made the yearbook where it's, we got a picture of us in front of this. And I'm just sitting there looking at how skinny I was. And I'm like, now I know I'm fat because I drink all that mountain dew for, don't even start. That's the worst thing. To me,

that's the worst thing about getting old is that I can't eat like I used to. It just, I can't drink like I used to. I can't do anything like I used to, you know, everything, everything hurts or if it doesn't hurt, it will hurt tomorrow.

Exactly. I should put that in a coffee cup. I'm old now. Everything hurts and everything that doesn't hurt will hurt tomorrow. I have to keep reminding myself, I'm not 34 anymore because I'll want to lift and I'll want to do something. I'm like, Nikki, stop. You're not 34 anymore. Yeah, my mom's like that.

She's like, I'm going to go preying the trees, okay? I'm going to go put a ladder up against the tree and climb up it and prune it. You're in your 80s, mom. Come on, please don't. It's easy to forget. Yeah, it's hard to admit you're not young anymore. I just watched Betty White on a TV show the other day. And she said this line, and it just struck a chord with me.

She said, even though you're old, you're still you. And for whatever reason, that was just like, you know, even though I'm 64, it's still me inside. And I forget that I'm 64. I'm still me inside. And so I think even though your mother's 80, she's still her inside. Yeah. You still want to be in your youthful brain and you run around and do whatever. but yeah, some things don't go well.

That's how I got hernia's. I was like, I'm young enough to lift. My body's like, no, you're not. Fucky. So as we go out, anything more you want, people to know about your book and the work that you do? I would just really encourage people to take a look at it

and write these things down so that people know so that you don't end up being cared for by people who don't know what you want. Even though they go, oh, I'm married, my husband knows me. My husband does not know that I cannot stand. canned can peas. And so he might serve me canned peas one night. And I'm like, oh, I hate those things.

Don't give those to me. So you might think, well, I don't need to write this down because my loved ones know all this stuff. Trust me, they don't. Yeah. Plus, if you pissed off your husband enough, he probably will serve the canned peas just despite. Probably so.

That's probably what I'd do. Yeah, probably so. She's looking to me going, you know, I hate these. And I'm like, it's the only thing to eat, honey. Yeah. Remember that time that one time in 1982 where you remember the thing I did in 19282 where you remember the thing I did in 1986. Can't piece for you.

No, I'm just kidding. Don't do that, folks. That's not nice. Yeah, yeah. Just pull the plug and that. And the other thing I want to leave with people is get your advanced directives done. Get your health care, get your financial power of attorney. Every new client I have, I say, who's your health care power of attorney?

Who's your financial power attorney? Those are the two most important documents you can do, even more than a will, because somebody will figure out your money, you'll be gone. What do you care? But your advanced directives are the most important thing. Yeah, like, I recently went in for hernia surgery, and man, the hospital made a big deal about having those two documents. And not only did they make a big, there was like a whole thing I had to fill out, not only did they make a big deal of it, they were like, well, if you don't have them, we'll take care of it for you. Wink, wink, wink.

Yeah, yeah, those body parts are worth a lot of money and resale. So if you want us to be your power of attorney, we'll be the one who decides whether we should unplug you. Yeah, that's the thing. And you don't have those, you don't have those. You're going straight to guardianship, which I've been a guardian before, too. And guardians, they know nothing about you. And they just, they'll make decisions. I mean, they try and make the best they can, but they don't know.

They don't know what you want. I expect the hospital would just be like, how healthy is that livery's got there? Yeah, just some plug him. Yeah, we don't, we, it's more. And I've actually heard that if you do have a donor card, they are more, they are more, they are more interested in. Oh, my gosh. Not carrying through with you.

So make sure. sure you have your instructions you know and the other things too is like one of my things is I don't want to if I'm brain dead much more than I am now already I don't I don't want to be resuscitated I let me go I don't want to I don't want my sister lives in a horrible life with MS and dementia in a way that I would never want to live and uh in fact I've instructed my mother that in my will it says she has to place a pill over my face take me out before that so I think that's legal isn't it I don't think so If it's in the will, it's in the contract, shouldn't that be legal?

Well, not unless you want an 80-year-old woman to be sent to jail, Chris. I mean, the judge is going to be like, you put him out of his misery. Now none of us have to listen to his crap on his podcast. Yeah, I think that was justifiable homicide right there. I don't think so. I think that's how that would work. A judge will be like, I've heard his podcast. No, we don't need to bring him back.

We've had enough of that. 16 years and 2,500 episodes. Yeah, let's move on. Anyway, guys, well, thank you very much for coming to the show. We really appreciate it. Give us any dot-coms and final pitch out for people to order up your book as we go out. C-Star, S-A-S-T-A-R, Senior Services.com, and the book is available on Amazon. Well, it's been fun to talk about some of these dark, morbid things, but they're necessary.

Life and Death, you know, it was funny. We had somebody talking about taxis early. on the show and I really joke about death and taxes are the two main keys. Now we've covered death. Covered them both. So we covered both in one day. That's what we do on the Chris Faw Show, folks.

Order up per book where refined books are sold. It's called Things to Remember. Before I forget, my plan for my care, Nikki Tucker and Jenna Tucker out March 15th, 2020. In fact, recently you started thinking about the podcast. So one of the interesting things about the podcast is it's designed

to continue into perpetuity. The YouTube, we've been on there for YouTube for 18 years and unless someone stops the account, it will keep, it will keep showing the videos of all the wonderful people we've had on there and it's kind of a time capsule now

of people that have passed people that are 16, 18 years younger on our first shows that I send I send in videos, I'm like, boy, you really have aged. And so I think one of the things I've been thinking about recently is trying to make sure that the podcast episodes have been produced would would continue into perpetuity they will on

youtube as long as google doesn't ever suspend the account which i don't know why they would or they go out of business or sell or something which i don't think they ever went at this space but uh we're trying to think of ways to make the podcasts keep running in perpetuity so the people can always access it and uh that way we can be talking to some people 50 years from now or something i don't know wow that's kind of weird to think about yeah and something i've thought about because this is my one true love in life and next to my dogs and family. Some of my family that's put it out way. They won't be named. But, you know, I would, I would kind of like to have that. So I'm going to, I'm going to read your book and make a plan.

All right. Sounds great. Thanks to my answer for tuning in. Go to Goodrease.com, Fortress, Chris Foss. LinkedIn.com, Fortress, Chris Foss. And you see why it's important to think about these things. Maybe you want to be buried in your Chevy Chevrolet car or something. I don't know some people do that thanks for june uh thanks for joining and be good to each other stay safe and uh i'll see you guys next time