The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Thy Kingdom Come by Marsue And Jerry Huerta

Episode Date: September 26, 2024

Thy Kingdom Come by Marsue And Jerry Huerta Amazon.com Contemporary history and progressive revelation regarding the Hebraic festivals are the basis for a renovation of the traditional historicist's house and its perception of recapitulation in the book of Revelation, which does not disturb the historicist's view that the papacy is the Antichrist. Under this new interpretation, John's use of recapitulation was modest as compared with the traditionalist's view. The new view correlates the prophecies and illustrations of the seven seals with our modern-day market-driven society, the prophetic era of the Laodicean church, the autumnal festivals, and the "the time of the end" in Daniel 8:17. The correspondence of the apocalyptic horsemen of the seven seals with the historical accounts of the Protestant's rise to prominence and their termination of the churches' influence in our modern-day commerce is incendiary. Moreover, the correspondence pertaining to autumnal festivals regarding the final judgment and the apocalyptic horsemen of the seven seals is no less provocative. As is the case of all such correlations that come to light through progressive revelation, they become a blessing for the sons and daughters of God and a reproof for those who walk in darkness (Revelation 1:3).

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one on the tiktokity and all those crazy places on the internet today we have an amazing young man on the show we're talking about his newest book a jerry huerta is on the show with us today his book is entitled thy kingdom come reevaluating the Historicist's Interpretation of the Revelation, out January 4, 2022. Based in Tucson, Marceau and Geri Huerta have dedicated countless years to rigorous study of the various interpretations of the book of Revelation. Their commitment to understanding and interpreting these ancient texts has accumulated in this significant publication through their extensive research and thoughtful

analysis. They bring the vivid imagery and narration of revelation to life, presenting it in a way that resonates with current era and reaffirms the Protestant historicist interpretation. They were driven to write the kingdom come due to the perceived shortcomings in existing schools of esthetology, which often fall short in interpreting the four horsemen of the apocalypse, I'm the fourth, and placing them accurately within historical context. Their quest for deeper understanding led them to explore and ultimately share their findings

through this book. Welcome to the show. How are you, Jerry? Thank you, Chris. Thanks for welcoming me. Is it true that I'm the fourth horseman? Is that in the book of Revelations, the Chris Foss show? Is the fourth horseman? I don't know if it's true or not. Are you deaf? I might be. I have COVID right now. I could just be comatose and I just don't know it. I'm talking to myself. So Jerry, give us a dot coms. Where do you want people to find out more about you on the internet. The.com is thehistoricist.net. You can find that on, of course, yeah, that's my

website name. Okay. And then give us a 30,000 overview in your words of what's in your new book. The book is about the book of Revelation. And and it's actually taking a the historicist point of view and analyzing and making some re-evaluations on the way they place the seven seals the book of revelation four horsemen of the apocalypse and basically reasserting that one of some of the principles in interpreting the book and you you bring the story to, I guess, semi-modern day where you put it in kind of, would you call it a parable maybe for the new story? Or how would you describe that? It's just an evaluation of the narration and the symbolism and how to place it. Okay.

What led you to write the book? What was the inspiration? The inspiration goes back to, I think, how a lot of people, and particularly if they're raised in a Christian household, they see that the Bible is presented to them, the Bible stories, so on and so forth. And the book of Revelation is probably the one that's most fascinating, or it could be the most scariest to some people, I guess. Some people shy away from it. But I didn't shy away from it.

It fascinated me from the very onset. The imagery, the symbols, the story, the darkness and the light of it always brought my attention to it. And that very early on in my Christian walk is when I really started delving into it and getting on the internet internet i mean later on i did get on the internet and started debating the issues about how it's how it's to be interpreted and and and that's how i got to end up writing the book because i remember somebody kind of was somewhat said sarcastically it said you ought to write a book so that's what actually led me to write the book they wanted it you gave it to them now Now, why do you feel that revelations need a better interpretation,

maybe more descriptive interpretation? What makes your interpretation different than maybe other past interpretations either? It's different, but it's not, it's still mainstream. I mean, it's mainstream historicism. Now, what I do is I do

build on their foundation, and what I build is either going to be rejected or accepted. That's what it says in the book is that all our works are going to be tested at the end time. And if we are entering certainly into some difficult times for this Christian church, our ideas and our concepts are going to be tested. Like I said, it's from a mainstream perspective. And if there's anything different about it, it is in how to place those seals in time. And are we supposed to be looking for this narration and symbolism in the seven seals in time?

I do believe that unlike the other points of view in the mainstream of Christianity, there is a definite timing that we can look for them. And my book brings it out, we should be looking for these events during our time, modern times. And I really bring out that imagery in that. And the keys that unlock that, one of the keys being the Hebraic cultic calendar and its festivals. Now, what is the Hebraic festival? How do those relate to your thesis? The Hebraic festivals are the Hebraic calendar. They're festivals divided up between the fall and the spring festivals, spring coming first, of course. And it's analogized to the planting.

There is an imagery in Christ makes in one of his parables about the sower of the good seed, and he sows the good seed in the world. That's the quote, the kingdom of God. He calls that the kingdom of God. Now, that is a takeoff on those festivals there was a spring festivals in which there was a planting and they represented the time of christ first advent there was four different oblations that were occurring right there and he fulfills them they were foreshadowing certain events in the plan of salvation that would occur at his first advent.

Now, the fall festival, some seven months later, were to depict his return and the judgment that would occur at that time. And there are certain oblations and there was a lot of symbolism. And that symbolism foreshadowed what he's going to do when he returns. So that those Hebraic festivals in the calendar are really comprised of two events, the spring, representing Christ's first advent, and the fall ones representing his return. That is a template that can be used for interpreting the book of Revelation. So, tell us a little bit about your history. How did you grow up? What got you into the field of religion?

What were some of your influences? And then right up to writing the book. There isn't a lot of influences other than my curiosity and debating these issues on when the internet came into existence, debating these issues on on when the internet came into existence debating these issues as as i said my background is just simply layman i am a layman but i take off on the on the priesthood of of the believers which is where protestant protestantism commenced. Now, the priesthood of the believer is the belief that we are responsible for understanding the scriptures and knowing them and understanding them. And I took that challenge from a Protestant perspective of the priesthood of the believer and decided that as everyone, everyone has, that's a Christian, has that responsibility then to understand the scriptures.

And if he feels that something is not quite right in the body of Christ, that is his responsibility to voice those criticisms or admonitions. And that's what led me to write the book. And so now people can kind of get, do you feel like it's maybe easier to digest in the interpretation you put it in for people to understand Revelations? Yeah, especially because I do take the Hebraic festivals and use them as a template in opening the book. When we should, actually what that template does

is tells us when we should start looking for these certain events that are narrated and symbolized in the book of Revelation. The seven churches, there's seven churches. There's actually seven churches, seven seals, seven trumpets, and seven plagues in the book. And the significance of the churches, seven churches, is there was supposed to be seven months in between the spring and the fall festivals. Now, they were foreshadowed then of those seven churches. And those seven churches are not just historical churches that in Asia Minor at the time of Christ.

They also represent seven eras between the two advents of Christ. When you read the seven churches, you will see that they reflect the history of the church. And expositors began to see that probably at the time of the Protestants were rising and started realizing that those seven churches did represent seven years in the church. Certainly the Laodicean church, the final one, represents this period that we're living in because it is a church that thinks they're rich and increased with goods. That's our market day-driven society that rose along with the merchants. And that's evidence that those churches do actually reflect the certain times and periods of the history between the two advents of Christ. So, with prophets, how do the prophets, how do they have relevance in your thesis?

Well, prophets provide the symbolism themselves the pattern in the hebraic culture to understand how this these events are supposed to work out now the prophets understood that there was going to be a final and a high judgment at the end of the time. And it was supposed to be on that seventh month. Now, if the churches represent or were foreshadowed by those seven months in between the spring and fall festivals, then the last one is going to have to represent the time in which that final judgment occurs. Now, the seals are indicative of that judgment. So, we should be looking for the fulfillment of the seals during the time of that final church. And so, we should be looking to match the symbolism and the narration of those seals, and particularly the four horsemen, for events that are happening in our time. So, with the four horsemen, explain to people maybe who aren't aware what the four horsemen are

and need a reminder, what do they represent? That's the value of looking to the prophets. The prophets understood that horsemen, or the final judgment was supposed to be comprised of trial upon his people, and his people are the church today, that is exemplified by God sending their enemies against them to cause them great distress, and the prophets used the symbol of the locust to represent that trial against them and the locust had the appearance of horsemen the locusts have the appearance of horsemen and that's what we see in reference to

the four horsemen of the apocalypse okay those horsemen represent the trial that's going to go upon his church be upon a trial that's moved upon his church in order to refine them and prepare them for the final events when Christ returns. Those horsemen are, and the narration of them, is what we should be looking for and reconciling it to history during then our time, because we are in the final church phase. The fact that I said that the description of the final church that it is, thinks it has some great material wealth that fulfills everything they need in life. And that epitomizes the church today, being that we are in this market-driven society. It is imbibed a lot of those ideas that happiness comes from materialism, and that's the ethos or the spirit of this church today.

So we should be looking for what those four horsemen exemplify in our time, in our society. Next question for you. How did the rise of Protestantism change modern society? That's kind of like jumping ahead here, but let me just say, kind of define those horsemen and why we should be looking for them in the time of our society then. The first horse is said to subjugate. It goes forth and conquers. So so we should be looking for some entity that goes forth and subjugates people at in the final day in our time not in the final day our time which are the final days our time and then because of that subjugation the red horse then appears it is it is invokes an idea of war there's wars that occur when this first rider appears.

It goes forth to conquer, and it creates warfare, as conquerors do. And then the next horse, the black horse, exemplifies or invokes images of economic commotions, okay? It states there's prices of wheat, prices of barley that create hardships because in the next, in the very next verse it says, but do not hurt the oil and the wine. So in essence, the setting of these prices of the barley and the wheat cause these economic commotions, hardships. And the fact that the horse is dark or black represents since there's something in just unjust there balances are also in the imagery of the black horse so there's economic upheavals that are occurring during these times too the wars economic upheavals and this concept of conquest are all mixed together and coming forth during we should be looking for those events in our time

and then these all these commotions come down to the fourth horse rider which is which you said They're all mixed together and coming forth during, we should be looking for those events in our time. And then all these commotions come down to the fourth horse rider, which you called yourself earlier. And that fourth horse rider represents death. All these commotions end up calling death by the sword and by famines. Now, what could be looked at as fulfilling all that imagery and all that narration is the rise of Protestantism. Protestantism went forth to conquer. And wherever the exploits of Protestant missionary occurred, so did imperialism and colonialism follow. Now that's historical fact that I bring out for a great deal of documentation in my books. And I'm working on my second one right now. Those commotions of war are caused by the fact that Protestants changed society, secularized society, and along with the rise of the merchants,

then that caused the rise of the merchants to follow. And so as Protestant missionary imperialism went out, so did the rise of colonialism and the increase of wars. The nations became conscious of themselves that they could become rich by cornering the markets on the resources, and that's what colonialism is all about. And by cornering the markets in those or attempting to corner the markets in those resources, they created wars. And they also created these economic upheavals like the Great Depressions, the recessions, all these things are exemplified in the rider of the black horse. Our economic disparities between the rich and the poor, all these things we're facing in modern times that have never existed in the history of

the world to this extent. There been wars in his in the past but not like the wars in our century the first and second war says first and second world war over the resources of the world and all this commenced with the rise of protestantism by changing this the place of the church in society. It secularized society and caused the merchants of the earth to rise, and all this competition over resources and wealth have occurred since then. And there's been no greater amount of death by the sword than in those two First and Second World Wars. So what I'm saying in my book is that the four horsemen have been

riding forth since the time of the rise of Protestantism. Now along with the rise of Protestantism, it wouldn't have been acceptable for them, for these things to occur, except that Protestantism also rose, broke away from the church and the tyranny of the papacy and its corruption of society. And it created a situation where Protestantism also led to a lot of good things, like the Republican forms of government, the freedoms and liberties that we have today. But there was, as in every good thing that rises and is is as a movement by god then the arch deceiver comes along and tries to spoil it and that's what he did there was factions within protestant that's that really pushed society to the to the far left in secularism

and that's how the other emulations arose these commotions arose the imperialism and colonialism that also followed protestantism the wars for the resources of the world followed also and then the economic depressions recessions and commotions that occurred because they set prices not by not by righteous means or having the church having some sort of part in the running of government. They took the church out and they created social conventions to determine how the economy should be run and the greatest disparities between the rich and the poor have occurred because of that. Wow. The other question I had for you, there's something about the four horsemen and merchants. And I think you may have talked about that already mixed in with what we've been discussing.

Is that correct? Yes, because as I said, with the rise of Protestantism, they changed society. They took the church out of every aspect of the government and the running of the state. And then that allowed the merchants to rise. Now, the church is said to go, there's going to be a great falling away prophesied in the New Testament. And it's going to be at the end times. Once again, that's during the time of the Laodicean church or the final church or the final events that lead to the judgment of God. Now, the church in its apostasy then is, in the book of Revelation then, is likened to Babylon.

And Babylon has this part in causing the merchants of the earth to become rich and increased with goods themselves. See? So there's this tie-in between the rich merchants and Babylon, but knowing Babylon is the apostate part of the church and the final days, they have a collusion together. And that collusion is in the fact that Protestantism is a secularized society which allowed the emergence to rise. So in the end, as we wrap up,

in the end, as we wrap up, what is the end benefit that many people can come away with after reading your book and understanding what Revelations is about? Okay, the end benefits. First of all, it goes back to the responsibilities of the of the priesthood and the believer that unless we come back to some traditional points of understanding what are the responsibility of the believer is then we're going to this is this is what led to our the situation that we find ourselves into today with the rise of the with the merchants and the

the riding forth of the four horsemen, apostate Protestantism being the situation that we're in right now, because in particular, there is some documentation that I'm going to be presenting, especially in my second book, of the place of evangelism, the evangelicals in this. They divorce themselves or basically set aside the traditional importance of theology and for an emotional or personal experience with Christ. But without theology and going back to our foundations and having a good understanding of what has developed so far as far as what the church and theology is all about. This is why these things are happening today. So that's the importance of knowing Revelation because it starts bringing out these aspects in our lives. Certainly the book says there's a blessing to be derived by keeping

what is written in the book. How can you keep what is written in the book unless you understand and know what is in the book and how it works out in our lives. And most important is knowing the change of the mindset that has occurred because of the rise of the merchants. This rich and increase with goods is a self-sufficiency. It's a self-interest ethos that we have today. That has touched everybody, not just the people in the church, but it's telling you that the church has been conformed to the world because they do have this ethos of self-interest above the common good. In the past church, the Protestants, when it first rose, it lifted up the importance of the common good over self-interest because that's what the gospel is all about.

We're admonished to put ourselves beneath what is family, our self-interest below what our interest for the family, for our communities, and for the believers in general. Where our mind has been changed in our contemporary times to accept an ethos of self-interest and selfishness. And that has been the big part in bringing down the church. It's the great, in essence, the great falling away of the end time. When the common good is not the priority of the church and its members any longer. Wow. Vanity.

My favorite sin. Vanity, exactly. Final wrap-up. Tell people where they can pick up your book and order it up where fine books are sold in your dot-coms. Yeah, it's any place that Amazon, you can get it online at any place that sells books. It's all over the place right now. A lot of

bookstores. And it's thehistoricist.org is where you can find my website. There's a lot of information. And I also have a blog, The Historicist. It's through the Google. The Historicist. You can look that up and have a blog and

have a lot of this information on there. Thank you very much for coming on, Jerry. We really appreciate it. It's been very insightful and I know a lot of people are into this and maybe they can get a better understanding of it thanks to your book. Alright, thank you, sir. Thank you. Order the book wherever fine books are sold, folks.

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