The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Tom Clancy Act of Defiance By Brian Andrews and Jeffrey Wilson Part of A Jack Ryan Novel

Episode Date: May 20, 2024

Tom Clancy Act of Defiance By Brian Andrews and Jeffrey Wilson Part of A Jack Ryan Novel https://amzn.to/3V80Xt1 A rogue nuclear Russian submarine is steaming toward the East Coast of the United States. For President Jack Ryan, memories of past events may seem stunningly vivid, but the dangers are terrifyingly real in the latest entry in this #1 New York Times bestselling series. US intelligence is reporting turmoil in the Russian navy. Their deadliest submarine, the Belgorod, has unexpectedly launched, and taken along with it a long list of questions. Who authorized the departure? What mission is it on? And, most disturbing of all, what weapons do the giant doors on the sub’s bow hide? It's been four decades since a similar incident with the Soviet sub, Red October, ended happily, thanks to a young CIA analyst named Jack Ryan. Now, President Jack Ryan finds himself with fleets of ships, squadrons of jets, and teams of SEALs at his command, but what he doesn’t have is insight into the plans of the Belgorod’s commander. It falls to a younger generation of Ryans to do the dangerous work that will reveal that information. But there’s always a price to be paid. When the final moments tick away, will Jack Ryan have to choose between the safety of his country and the safety of his child?

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So we'll be talking to them in a second. In the meantime, or further show your family or friends and relatives, go to goodreads.com for chest Christmas, linkedin.com for chest Christmas, Christmas one on the tickety talk. You know, this crazy place on the internet, the newest hottest book of Tom Clancy series of Jack Ryan novels are out May 21st, 2024 Tom Clancy's series of Jack Ryan novels are out May 21st, 2024. Tom Clancy, Act of Defiance, a Jack Ryan novel comes out and it's authored by Brian Andrews and Jeffrey Wilson. Welcome to the show, gentlemen. How are you? Doing great. Great to be here. Thanks for having us. So what a great intro you have. That's just mind-blowing. I'm a little tired just from that now.

It's a bit overwhelming, the brain bleed and everything. I think it's missing something, though, Jeff. It's missing the diving alarm. Yeah, that's right. Diving alarm. Aruga. Aruga. There you go.

I don't know. We need to add some sound effects. We're going to have the guy who did the cut. He's going to do, I'm just here for the brain bleed. We're going to have a sound bite for that. And then maybe we should do the Aruga. Yeah. I think for our episode, you should put the military stuff.

We should do Tom Clancy, the submarine, the October thing. Maybe we'll have a sound bite from, from what's his face around October. Yeah. Jeff can do impersonations. Do the, do the one, one impersonations. Do the one ping only. One ping only. What was his name, the second in command there?

One ping only, McKenzie. Anyway, we're getting sidelined, folks, gentlemen. Already. Yeah, we're having fun. So, gentlemen, give us your bios or rundowns on background on both of you guys so people can get to know you better. So I'm Brian Andrews.

I'm the more attractive half of Andrews and Wilson. I also pick all the verbs. I'm sort of known for my verbs and this co-authoring duo. Before I met Jeff, I was nobody. And, you know, I was just crying. As he likes to say, he found me crying in my beer alone at a Thriller Writers Conference. But I actually did do a few things. I was a submarine officer in the Navy.

And so I rode around on a Fast Attack 688 class, which is the USS Dallas in the original movie. I was in one of those. And so very exciting for me to have an opportunity to be part of the team that takes on and carries this legacy for the Tom Clancy series. There you go. He brings all the looks and I do all the work, I guess, is how we're framing this.

Shots fired early, folks, on the show. Yeah, so I'm the Wilson half of Andrews and Wilson. I'm Jeff Wilson. What a thrill to work with your best friend for a decade doing something that you love to do and now to be doing it in a Clancy franchise. Like Brian, I'm a Navy veteran. I was a combat surgeon with the East Coast Base SEAL team, functioned under JSOC for a couple years, and then did some task force work after that. So that's my tie to 14 years in the Navy. And now I sit in my underwear on my lanai.

I don't know. However many books we've written now 27 or 20 or 30 i don't know a bunch of books that's me that's me and i just realized we should have you guys on a separate show to talk about war shadows i guess that just came out yeah four minutes came out this one here the tour the tier one thrillers is that so we've got that tier one series. Book eight, it's called Ember. It comes out in July. Okay. But this other book, Four Minutes, is a little bit, it's a standalone.

It's its own thing. And that one just came out a month ago. Okay. I have War Shadows, say, is May 14, 2020. Oh, you know why? Because the backlist of the tier one is just coming out in mass market paperback. Okay, it's the paperback. Yeah, War Shadows just came out, I think, on the 14th in mass market paperback,

and they're staggering those out. Okay, and so you've got the Tier 1 there. I see you guys got a lot of books that are trying to figure out here, so good for you. And please come back for all that stuff if you want for your June launch. So let's get into this book. This is Tom Clancy, a Jack Ryan novel, Active Defiance. Can you give us a 30,000 overview, each of you, on the book and your thoughts on it?

Yeah, you know, this was an exciting book to write simply because, in fact, the way they seduced us into the franchise, what Morgan did was they manipulated Brian. We were very busy. We got a lot of stuff going on. And when they hit us, it was sort of a terrible time. Like a dangle. They had a little dangle. Yeah.

The little dangle was, hey, by the way, your first one, it's going to be on the 40th anniversary for the Hunt for the Red October. So my submariner writing partner sort of glazed over, and I knew that. No, I hit that lure so hard, right, Jeff. I'm like, yeah,

exactly. And that's really what it is. The act of defiance is almost our love letter to the first novel that Clancy ever wrote. That was really, if you think about it, you probably read it as a kid. Like we did. It launched the genre,

like the military thriller genre that Don and Mark Graney and Josh Hood and Jack Carr and us, he invented it. Like it started with Hunt for the Red October. And so this book, Act of Defiance, is really meant to be both this balancing act between the nostalgia of that book and going back to that first novel, but also updating it for the modern world and what's going on in the world now, what the submarine force does 40 years later. And so that's sort of the overview of how the book started. Brian, if you want to give a sort of elevator pitch for the book. Yeah, I mean, I think that that was a great intro and my elevator pitch would be, you know, what everything you loved about the hunt for Red October, we're trying to do an act of defiance.

But, you know, sort of taking that Top Gun Maverick approach, you know, so you had Top Gun. That was Naval Aviation in 1984. Top Gun Maverick, different threats, different technologies, same community, Naval Aviation. Let's do that with Hunt for Red October and Clancy. So, Active Defiance now, you know, Jack Ryan, that Jack Ryan character, he's so iconic, and he's been rebooted, you know, many times in film. Now we have the John Krasinski Amazon series, which is great, but he's a young man. He's out there, you know, doing, doing spec ops. But in this book series, you know, Jack Ryan has aged up. He's the president of the United States and he's, he's president, you know, he can't be out there, you know,

jumping out of helicopters, you know, shooting people and stuff. So one of the things that we thought was really exciting is we wanted to take a character from the Clancy family. We picked Katie Ryan. The last time you saw her, she was a little girl in Patriot Games, and now she's all grown up. And she was sort of a metaphor for what's happened to the submarine community. You know, when I served, there were no women in the submarine force. Now it's a mixed force. Men and's a mixed force. Men and women are both serving officer enlisted. And so Katie Ryan is sort of taking that mantle.

She's an intelligence analyst at LNI. Like her dad, she's a dog with a bone, and she's the one that sort of figures out what's going on here when the Russians launch this stealthy super sub. There you go. We need a good, was there ever Hunt for Red October 2? I don't think they ever do a super sub. Yeah, it's called Active Defiance. It's this.

That's right, yeah. It's ours, baby! Yeah, there you go. It's time, let's get that on the movie screen. Tell us about both your guys' upbringing. What were some of your early influences i think i think we had one of the tom clancy authors on the show and i think it was mark greener and he said he said his first book they ever read was tom clancy and what were some of

your influences did you when did you start writing when did you kind of know that you had a knack for it etc etc yeah i'm a little a year or two than Mark Graney, so it wasn't the first book I ever read. But I did grow up on that genre. Like I was very eclectic in my reading, but I read all the Clancy books as a young man and from high school on. And then I also read John McCarr and all the classic spy novels, Ludlum. But I love Stephen King too. And so I

was reading that kind of stuff. And that definitely informed my passion for writing. I started, unlike Brian, I started writing very early. I came to storytelling probably as a 10-year-old. I started scribbling out little stories on a notebook and published my first short story when I was 14 years old. So writing for me, I've got a very eclectic bio. I've done a lot of different things in my life, but writing has been the constant for me. It's pulled through every single career I've ever had. I've always been a writer. So definitely influenced heavily by Clancy. Being able to come full circle and write in that universe is absolutely amazing. I was raised by parents in the military.

My dad was an Air Force pilot, later worked in other parts of the government, we later discovered. But I grew up in Berlin during the height of the Cold War, West Berlin, walking along the wall. I passed through Checkpoint Charlie when I was still there, saw the East German border guards. So that heavily influenced me as well, and probably informed my love for those kinds of stories because I sort of grew up in that backdrop.

Yeah, that was a different time to grow up. I mean, you know, the wall and USSR. I remember hiding on my desk going, this will save me from nuclear bombs. Yeah, right, exactly. Maybe if my dad would have taken me to Disney instead of Auschwitz, maybe I would have written children's books. I don't know. And we'll never know. But we're glad you guys are doing this.

Now, do we have both your guys' stories in? What do you mean? I lost track because there's two of you. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So I was raised in a Skinner box. It's one of those psychological boxes where they feed you. I had a little stuffed animal that they gave me, and I could hold that. I was raised in a Skinner box. It's one of those psychological boxes where they feed you.

I had a little stuffed animal that they gave me and I could hold that. But that was the only human interaction I had for many years. So then the Navy took me and I was a submarine officer, which is sort of like its own Skinner box, right? They put a whole bunch of people, 100 people underwater and they turn them loose with nuclear weapons. And they just want to see what's going to happen to these people they sleep to drive them they have no communication with the outside world and they entrust them with the the national defense through the strategic tribe so that's sort of my my background but i got into writing because you know we weren't you know we didn't have internet we didn't have email we didn't have anything to do. We had to be rigged for quiet. So you would pass the time telling stories.

And I would kind of go around to the different, you know, guys I knew on other boats. And we'd pull and port. I'd collect all the funny stories I could. I'd save them up. And then I'd sort of dole them out, you know, over time on deployments and stuff. And that sort of human tradition of just sort of like sitting around the campfire in my case sitting around the nuclear reactor to tell stories that's that's how i got started so there you go sitting around the nuclear reactor just keep your hands warm

campfire stories right in front do some marshmallows right in front of the nuclear if that marshmallow is cooking you know something else is cooking too. That's true. That's probably not a good sign. Canary in the coal mine sort of deal. I think I'd read or heard somewhere, and I don't know how this is accurate because it was probably on the internet, but I think I heard somewhere that either Tom Clancy wrote

The Hunt for Red October or the screenwriter who converted it to The Hunt for Red October had never been on a submarine before and somehow they did a pretty good job of getting it right is that is that i think that's i don't know for sure but i think those are both true but what clancy was so gifted at was research and seeking the company of subject matter experts. You know, he spent a number of years researching, and his brilliant mind was able to fill in the gaps, and he came up with this thing that people are like,

oh, my God, we've got some leak because this is so plausible. And so I think that he was able to do all that without being on a sub because he was able to surround himself with people. He was in the D.C. area at the time. What we were able to do was not unlike that. First of all, we're Navy veterans, and that helped tremendously. Brian being a submariner was obviously invaluable. to write this book by Tom Colgan, the first thing we did was reach out to the Navy to see if we could sort of replicate what Clancy was so good at, which was engaging with Department of Defense.

And they were awesome. Like we actually should almost put and the Navy on the cover of the book because they were very engaging and accommodating. They lined us up with subject matter experts from the three-star, he's now a four-star admiral who was in charge of sub-lance at the time, and all of his team and crew, to the crew, enlisted and officers aboard two Virginia-class submarines. They flew us out to the newest aircraft carrier. We got to fly F-star admirals and being able to use them as our research in how to reflect their stories into the book. That was what really made the book work. You know, the only time I had been on a submarine was I toured one, I think, in Long Beach. Isn't there one in the bay in Long Beach or somewhere down in SoCal?

And I'm a big guy. I'm 6'm six two and i'm a fat guy uh and i was fatter at the time and man you want to talk about claustrophobia i almost there was one portal i almost couldn't make it through i was like i'm gonna get stuck in this middle of the city you're gonna have to figure out how to cut me out that that That is some close quarters. Yeah. My dogs bug me if we spend too much time in the room. I don't know which one you toured. You might have toured one of the old diesel boats or something. Those were really small. Yeah.

The modern submarine, it's not huge, but it's much bigger than those. The fast attack submarines like today's Navy, they are three levels, 35 foot approximate diameter hulls. There's room to get around, but you're bumping into people everywhere you go. If you're the type of person that doesn't like being around a bunch of people or you get claustrophobic, it's not a place to hang out. It's easy for him to say, Chris, because he was a submariner. We went out to sea on the Virginia. I had been on a submarine one other time while I was on active duty, and it's too close.

It's too tight. He's not about how big they are now. I never went on the little diesel boat, so I don't even need to compare it to, but it seemed pretty damn small to me having been on an aircraft carrier before. It was really, really small. Before we went on the Ford, the state was really really small and we went on the the ford the stateroom we shared a stateroom on the ford we walked into this thing we're like oh my god it's like a studio apartment you know it's two of the captain's staterooms from a

submarine in that one stateroom that we have in stateroom the largest stateroom on the submarine is like the size of my bathroom like it's so tiny it's ridiculous i kind of imagine that even i mean that yeah the boat we were on was pretty small and it was it was an older boat obviously because they retired it but yeah just just the you know i and i don't do are you can you be over six foot in those things oh yeah no i'm six one okay because Because I was hunched over. Yeah. I mean, you hit your head a lot.

There was one guy who was 6'4". He always had scabs on his forehead because he always hit his head and stuff. So, yeah, it's not good for posture if you're tall. And then on deployment, sometimes when you're going you'll they'll line the floor with cans and they put plywood over top of them because that you you don't have storage for all the food you're going to need and that takes another eight to ten inches off of holy crap yeah yeah and guys will sleep in the torpedo room they'll put they'll make racks in the torpedo room so you might be sleeping next to a torpedo. Oh, yeah. Well, that's how I feel. Sounds like my first date

marriages. Hot run. Yep, there you go. I already exploded. Hot run, Chris Voss' bedroom. Yeah, if I was on a boat like that, I might nuke myself. We doing nuclear jokes now on the show? Is that what we're doing? This will teach you to have a song.

Putin was definitely trying to play with one on 2022 evidently so i guess that's the sort of mode we're at in life right now is just joking about chernobyl what could go wrong tell us some of the plot lines out of the book or i mean obviously with novels you can't give away the middle and the ending but can you give us any tease-outs of scenarios or storylines or anything you can tease out to get people to pick up that book faster? Sure. You want to go?

Either way, I mean, you know, the elevator pitch is sort of that balance between nostalgia and new story that we were talking about earlier. You know, rogue Russian submarine with a new class of weapon that our intelligence community is aware of sets to sea and disappears and no one knows where it is. And a Ryan needs to be the dog with the bone that won't let it go until they find it and, you know, make sure that America is safe. So a potential nuclear threat, intelligence officer who needs to unravel the mystery, and two superpowers pushed to the brink

of war that would be the that would be the summary that sounds like my first seven marriages that's what we do we change the number every time people come up to me and they go how many marriages do you have because you change it every time i'm like i have zero that's the fucking point that's that's where the joke lies actually why didn't you ever married i never get tired of being happy do do any other tease outs that we want to do of the story pot lines maybe scenarios i mean i think that the big teaser for this book is if you if you read hunt for october and you really liked it you know you're gonna have some really cool sort of nostalgic moments we have some cameos of some beloved characters from that first book we've got tie-ins you know sort of back to

ramius and i think what's really fun is we wanted to say you know let's imagine what happened right before red october put to sea and there's some ripple effects from some of the decisions that Ramius made had on other Russians that, you know, you never saw or heard of in the first book. And now, you know, 40 years later, those decisions, as they so often do in real life, you know, have repercussions. And so when Belgrade puts to sea sea we've got a whole bunch of baggage going to see with it and that's really really fun and exciting is there any chance we get sean connery to come back and reprise the role or cameo for for the second well i mean yeah it

has to be ai but with this being dead and all that that was a really dark joke i said up there i i love sean connery by the way he's my one of my favorite bond actors i think jeff should have to talk like connery the rest of the interview i should have made both of you do that come on and talk we should do that with all the others we should make them come on and talk about their main character talking the accent of their main character yeah that might be might be interesting or, I don't know, annoying or something. I mean, everyone would have to get really good at that Sean Connery Scottish. You'd have to serve drinks, I think, if you're going to do that. Yeah.

One of my favorite lines from Red October is, I would have liked to have seen the mandana. I don't know why. We even have a shout-out to that in the book. What are your favorite memories or lines from The Hunt for October? Oh, that's a good one. The one ping only. Of course, you can't not have that.

But I think my favorite scene with Sean Connery is once he meets Ryan and they're underway. And they're trying to get destroyed by this Oscar Russian submarine. And he says, what books have you read? And he tells him and he goes, I read this book. Your conclusions were all wrong. And the look on Baldwin's face. What are you talking about? I love that scene.

Love it. And we made sure to put that one. Halsey acted stupidly. Yeah, so Halsey makes a guest appearance at Halsey's Legacy. Oh, yeah. The savvy fan is going to pick up a lot of fun Easter eggs in this book.

There you go. Maybe we can get Baldwin back to reprise his role or something as long as he doesn't shoot anybody. There's a lot of dark jokes in the show today. What the fuck's going on? But yeah, I mean, I would like to see him reprise his role. I mean, I still think he's an amazing actor. I think we've had his brothers on, and they're wonderful people too. It's funny, they tell the joke of how there's only one baldwin brother and any there's only one baldwin brother they're just there's just a bunch

of them faking who the other brothers are and so it's it's funny that they they're in on the joke but yeah the hunt for october so many great lines from that movie one of my favorite lines of sean connery's isn't from hunt for october so forgive me but it's the line from it's the line from the Untouchables where he he he passes what's his face and and you know he he finds that he has a gun and he goes you know what do you do and he tells him that he's a he's a GI officer whatever it was an FBI officer basically but at that time they call it something different and And he lets him go and he goes, you just turned your back on me and you know that I have a weapon. And he goes, you claim to be with the FBI. Who would claim to be that that that wasn't?

And so I love that line. I use that line just about everywhere I go. Who would claim to be that that wasn't? And people would be like, what the fuck? You're vice president of I don't know, Comcast? Who claimed to be that that wasn't? And then of course, you know, here ends the lesson. I love doing that to people.

Tell them something or mansplain something and I'll be like, here ends the lesson. So, yeah. You gotta love Sean Connery. He's just such a thing. Except for that one movie where he wore those one freakish sort of clothes in Highlander, I think it was, was or something some of the highlander i'm not really sure about so please don't cover that now i'm seeing on the on the amazonian here

you guys have another book coming out in the tom clancy novel series in december 3rd 2024 defense protocol ah there you go we'll expect you guys back for that that's required now this is a contract what's funny is the kindle version has a really cool cover on it but the audiobook and the paperback all say that there is no cover yet or title oh somebody messed up there's not supposed to be a cover for any of them yet and the the hard cover says final cover to be revealed yeah and but the kindles might be giving it away i don't know i'll look while you're talking yeah maybe there's something we know they're not supposed to put it up yeah i've had people on the show that like yeah that new book we're doing it's not supposed to put it up. I've had people on the show that are like, yeah, that new book we're doing is not supposed to even be on Amazon.

What the hell? I'm like, I don't know, man. I just found it. That's supposed to be top secret. I'm like, take it up with Simon & Schuster, the publisher. Is it outside? Yes. Yeah, if you look at the Kindle version.

We just talked about that yesterday, that they were going to wait. It's a cool looking cover in the Kindle version. It's a cool looking cover in the Kindle version. It's so cool, right? They're like, oh, we have some ideas for the cover reveal. We didn't know it was Chris Voss mentioning it. It's Chris Voss mentioning it. It's very great news on the show.

Yeah, this isn't the first time we've done that. And we're just like, I don't know. It's on Amazon. One person was like, how did you know? That's a damn secret. I'm like, it's not very much of a secret if It's on Amazon. One person was like, how did you know? That's a damn secret. I'm like, it's not very much of a secret if it's on Amazon. It's like hiding something on the first page of Google.

Everyone's going to see it eventually. I was just dicking around. I was like, because the cover came up first on the Kindle when I searched it. It's in the list of your guys' books. Then when you click hardcover, it goes final cover to be revealed.

And then the paperback and the, and the audio book are like, yeah, we're not talking to the powers that be. We'd love to have you guys back for your new book series. You know, we've had Mark Rainer and all the other Tom Clancy offers on the show. So why have you been holding out

on us? We're just trying to wait for you to build your audience. We've only been doing this for 16 years and 2,000 episodes. Finally made it. We finally crushed our threshold. That's usually the joke we tell when we introduce people's bios.

We'll read off CNN. They've been on CNN, MSNBC, all these great shows. And then we're like, and they finally reached the we introduce people's bios you know we'll read off you know cnn they've been on cnn msnbc you know all these great shows and then we're like and they finally reached the pinnacle of their career coming on the chris fosh show that's just the joke we spin but i'll accept that it looks like i was going to ask you what the future holds but i think yeah amazon just gave it all away do you guys let me ask you this i don't know if you tell us this i'm sure our listeners are probably wonder because they love your books and they were really excited when we announced you were going to be on the show. Do you guys have a book deal for a certain number of books coming into the future?

Too many, Chris. We're exhausted. We're going to be doing at least the next three Clancy books. We still have a contract for the tier one books, so they're going to be continuing for the foreseeable future. The next book in the Sons of Valor series comes out next year. Fourth book in Shepherd series comes out next year. So the answer is my wife is sad to know that, yes,

there's a lot of contracts that mean we're going to be writing three or four books a year for the foreseeable future and no vacations and no Saturdays off. That's probably fine with her at this point. I mean, you know. Yeah, it could be. We've been together a while. A few of my friends, their wives are at Target twice a day because once is not enough. I don't know why. And then their Amazon payments are bigger than my sugar daddy charges.

So I don't know what that means. Yeah, if you're like an Amazon VIP, you know that you should be worried. Yeah. payments are bigger than than my sugar daddy charges so i don't know what that means yeah if you're like an amazon vip you know that you should be worried yeah i like see these videos of guys who record they come home and there's there's like a half a truckload of boxes on the front doorstep and they're like every single day every single day you know single day. You know, keep her happy. There you go. Anything we haven't talked about that we should flesh out on the Tom Clancy novel release we're doing? I mean, I think we do want people to know. I mean, we did mention it, but as much as we love the Clancy series and Jack Ryan, we also are quite proud of our other other works so the tier one series is the series that we first started

co-authoring together and it follows the navy seal john dempsey into from from the the navy seal world into sort of the spooky world of task force operations and and that series is you know what really put us on the map and we're so grateful for that series and all the fans that that read and and love it and and you know a lot of times we know that people don't have time to read because they're traveling and commuting and whatnot but we have a really talented voice actor his name is ray porter and he's you know sort of the the shakespeare the brad pitt the you know the the the the pinnacle of voice actors and he narrates that Tier 1 series and Sons of Valor series.

So if any of your listeners like audiobooks, we highly encourage you to check out Tier 1 and Sons of Valor and Ray Porter, who brings all these characters to life. Brian, I have to ask you, are we allowed to mention that the Tier 1 series, Four Minutes, and Shepherds have all been optioned for television

and that we have a couple movies in the works. Because if not, I won't say it. I would not mention that at all. The plugs are here. No, that's exciting, guys. That is awesome. Congratulations. Let's get them on.

Those options sometimes sit for a bit, but yeah. The great thing is now with Amazon and Netflix and Disney and Paramount and I don't know whatever the hell's going on this week i can't keep track of them all i think i pay more in subscription fees to all those than i used to pay for cable um but you know they they are able to fund so many different great productions that you know hollywood would probably never greenlight because they're stupid no i'm just kidding but you guys do do some weird films there hollywood come on man stop stop remaking i don't know what's a movie we don't need godfather 4 okay the first two were

great i don't know about the third one but stop it you know some some shit doesn't need to get remade like they just remade fall guy and and i'm a fan of i'm a fan of lee majors you know i grew up with six million dollar man and the fall guy and i guess i got the tune playing in my head right now and i was in love with whoever the lead female role was in that you know my whole teenage years was lee majors and and so i thought he was just the consummate dude and to see them try and do some sort of fall guy rip off with i don't know some guy who's looks like he acts like he's a little light in the lower loafer sometimes or talks that way i don't know i'm not being how do you really feel chris i'm just saying i'm just saying you can't keep it all in man it's not healthy yeah yeah that's

what that's what i have the show i get it out it's like my therapy you know it's like you should never remake led zeppelin stairway to heaven right yeah no one should there should be like laws that there's like certain things you don't remake and colliewood just loves doing that but i'm glad like amazon does a lot of great things and netflix and there's so many great opportunities for stories to get told and produced and and get out there so i'll look forward to having one of your guys or all of them let's make it it's a great time to be a storyteller. We've got a film that's set up over at Amazon right now. And, you know, we've got a lot of stuff in various stages of development.

It's been really exciting to grow our storytelling into that other medium. There's been stuff that's gone on Amazon that I'm just like, wow, that would have been great for the movies. You know, HBO. What was that one with the president with HBO? That one guy got me too, but it was such still a great series and show, the movie the way it was done. And I don't think Hollywood would have ever done it that way.

So it'll be great. And yeah, let's have another, let's have a Red October 2.0. Anytime, man. Let's do it. I wonder who the lead character would be for it. Do you guys have any thoughts on who a good lead character would be to play

the parts in that? It's Katie Ryan. There's so many talented female actors right now. Then we have our own ideas about Jack, too. Do you want to discuss them or should we leave? I think we'll get in trouble.

We've actually had the conversation with the producer. Oh, okay. We don't want to get yelled at. I'll give away the secrets. I don't want to get yelled at. There you go. If you need a really fat old guy who's cantankerous on the submarine who can't fit through the doors, I'm up for that role.

We'll have you sitting on the pier. Everybody that comes to Lord. I'll do you sit on the pier and everybody that comes to Lord? I'll be some fisherman on the pier. Yeah, there you go. What the hell's going on? What did I catch today? There you go. I'll just be the old man in the sea,

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But andrews-wilson.com is the only one you need to know. There you go. We got everybody? Would Liam Neeson be a good Sean Connery, Red October 2.0? Actually, he could play our guy. he does have this is he scottish you know the ransom guy who's like i will find you i have a particular set of skills maybe they hire liam neeson to be the russian submarine captain yeah yeah that's what he's

saying i could see it there you you go. There you go. You know, the Russian they had that had that opposing ship in Hunt for October. He played that so good. Oh, yeah, yeah. You idiot, you've killed us. You've killed us. In fact, that's a great actor, huh? Anyway, thanks for coming on the show, guys.

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