The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – True Learning: A Renaissance in Education by Trudi J Carter

Episode Date: September 6, 2026

True Learning: A Renaissance in Education by Trudi J Carter https://www.amazon.com/True-Learning-Renaissance-Trudi-Carter/dp/177883583X Have you ever wondered why some students thrive in the classroom while others fall behind? Parents are naturally concerned, and teachers wonder whether they’re taking the right approach. Based on the author’s experiences in education, True Learning includes teacher-led lessons with high student participation. Real-life stories describe the analytical thinking that creates effective life=long learners. These inspirational and innovative strategies are the models for children’s success in school. Lesson plans and teaching methods must adjust to new classes and changing curriculum. With the extensively tested ‘lesson design system’ explained in True Learning, every adult can easily create unique ways to encourage student learning. As an original and inspirational guide, teachers and parents – especially those who homeschool their children – will find True Learning is a unique education system ready to use today.

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Opinions expressed by guests on the podcast are solely their own and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the host or the Chris Foss show. Some guests of the show may be advertising on the podcast, but it is not an endorsement or review of any kind. to hear an amazing young lady on the show with us today. We're going to be talking about her book, and she has written several books, so we'll probably delve into some other ones too. It's entitled True Learning, A Renaissance in Education. Trudy J. Carter joins us in the show. We're going to get into her works and what she's trying to share with the world

and how to enlighten the world and make it better. His career in education has taken her from New York to Iowa and Georgia. She taught in the classroom from first and eight grades, as well as advanced programs. Through returning business and innovative methods, she has seen firsthand how adapting teaching strategies to the child can transform outcomes for all children. Her practical yet creative approach to lesson planning

and writing children's stories fosters analytical thinking and lifelong learning. Wheelworld skills based on compassion and caring are woven through her books. Five decades in education bring this unique approach to cursive writing. understanding the thinking behind the letter making and the needs of the children, this work reflects imagination and thoughtful challenges. She presents a practically yet creative approach to cursive writing that fosters analytical thinking and lifelong learning. Welcome to the show, Trudy. How are you? I'm fine, Chris, and I love that introduction. Well, it's about you.

People always ask me, can I pay you to have you follow me around and introduce me to every room I enter, just like the president? So you. Here you, here you. Entering the room now is Trudy Carter. So Trudy, give us your dot-coms. Where can people find out more about you on the interwebs? All right. My internet.com is trudy-carter.com.

And when you go there, you'll see all my books. You'll see a little overview of each one. And my professional one, the branding one, is in process. So that'll be out a week from tomorrow. And then when you open up Trudy Carter.com, you'll carter.com you'll you'll come to the new one and i'm so proud of the young woman who is doing this for me she's just fabulous i also have a fun one it's called floral graces dot com and it's a combination of flowers and the different qualities so kindness thoughtfulness perseverance all those 133 words are

there and that's because that's something we can grow and we own it No one can take it from us. We can find it in others and find it in ourselves. It just reminds us we're each unique. We're each a very, very special person. And we have these qualities to share with others. So it's a slightly deeper approach to who you are going from true learning. And your background is an education. Tell us, give us a little feature on how long you've been an educator and how that kind of influenced your writing in these books. All right, we're going to go way back in time before some of these listeners were even thought of. We're back in 1960s sitting in a counselor's office with my parents. I want to be a landscape architect, and they are all like, you have three choices, my dear.

You may be a nurse, a secretary, or a teacher. Because most expectations were you to get married in a few years. So investing in somebody at that point in time was a lot of money. for somebody who'd get married and have children. Anyway, my dad suggested teaching. I went into teaching, and I really had hoped to not do it. I'd graduate and go do what I wanted to do. But I fell in love with it.

I fell in love with the whole process. The education course was marvelous, and I decided I would be a teacher. So it became a teacher. And what is it that you love about teaching and stuff? Now, remember, this is someone who didn't want to be a teacher. What did you want to be, by the way? A landscape architect.

A landscape. I love gardening. Yeah, I love gardening. So my whole point was for the children is how much can you do? So when I started teaching, I would train the children to help clean the classroom. I would train the children eventually, as I got better there, how to edit a paper, how to correct grammar, how to improve their spelling. So I was teaching the children to be more effective learners, but that took years. That did not happen.

I wish I had my book when I started because it would jumpstart me on a lot of the small pieces that just happen over time. Now, who is this book targeted to? Is it targeted to other teachers who need lesson plans and teaching methods? There are lesson stories. So every lesson becomes a story talking about the child and then sometimes about its thinking. behind it. So when I wrote it was for teachers and substitutes. As I got into it and met homeschooled people, I thought, no, it's also for homeschool. Then when I started talking with principals and administrators, I thought that they need a workshop. And then I remembered my education teacher.

And I thought, you know what, anyone in education, even the child, at a 13-year-old read the book, who really enjoyed it. So everyone who's interested in education will get a get a sense of what is it about I did business training with this book. I did business training. Really? It really is an education basis book. It's process, process oriented. And I see a bottom byline that says 18 strategies to create the authentic learners of the future. Why is that important to create the authentic learners of the future? What does that, what does that do for that future there? Think about AI for a moment. It seems to have taken over.

Everyone's excited. You can buy an AI program for this and that. But it's really a collector. It's a collector of ideas and then it sorts them out and then you get the results. It's like making the same ingredients combined a different way. But the creativity, the synergy that comes with working with another person, that's what the focus is in this book. Ah.

Yeah, it's pretty wild. all the different things you can do for kids, but you want the authentic learners, but you want people that learn over a lifetime, that they can think independently. I think that's the problem we have in this world. We have too many MPC bots that just, they don't think, they just kind of move like, some people I honestly see it just looks like cattle in a field. I grew up looking at farms when I was young, and it just, cattle just standing there going, you got that sound down exactly right.

Yeah, yeah. And they're just walking around like zombies sometimes, especially with the phones. And I'm guilty of that too. So I'm not calling out of school. But yeah. And so you taught for how many years as a teacher? I was in the education business for five decades. Wow.

That's a long time. Holy crap. I don't count time anymore. I've given up on time because after I was done with that, then I started writing the children's books. And I put the thinking in the children's books. So we have Melville and we have the Pelican. and then we have all this thinking going on. So I never really quit.

But in the business, between tutoring and teaching and business training, it's been five decades. Oh, wow. Congratulations. That's a lot of time to put up with a bunch of unruly kids. But, you know, it's interesting. It's like, yes, they're unruly. But they're the most interesting children. Oh, yeah.

Their imagination. Yeah, they're out to disrupt the classroom, and that's a creative ability. Yeah. I'm glad you recognize that that's. a that's a that's a thing to be used to improve everything some people you know they see kids and the way they act especially boys you know right now they've really they've really subjugated boys you know taking away at recess and you know boys need to burn off that energy that they have a rambunctiousness and uh you know we've had a lot of authors in the show that talked about how uh boys are

you know being left out in schools are treated like uh dysfunctional women um you know why can't you be like the girls. You know, it's really, it's really challenging. I don't want a boy to be like a girl. Thank you very much. I think guys are interesting and unique. Who builds the buildings? Who designs the race car? Excuse me? I'll take the guys. Yeah. It's been a, it's a challenge for them. I think we're going to have somebody on again who's going to talk about that. And it's, it's one of those things. But you want, you want the minds of both men and boys and girls, I guess I should say, to be an unlearning mindset, to be sparked and to be excited. Because, man, there's nothing worse than when you have a boring teacher or boring education plan or somebody.

There are some teachers that are going through the Mucow thing. I think very few. I don't want to paint that on all teachers because every teacher I've met, they really care. They have a lot of integrity. They want things to do better. They don't get in this business for the money because there's no money in it, really. And they do it out of love. And I think that's, I think that's exemplary.

A lot of my teachers, even the ones that flunk me, and a lot of classes I flunked on purpose because I didn't need the credits, they still had an impact to me. I don't know. I was pretty shy kid back then. I didn't say much. I was pretty introverted, but I was dumb enough to be to know I was, I was smart enough to know I was dumb. So whatever that meant.

But, no, so this, this is kind of made more for adults, teachers, this true learning book. Now, the other books you have, how many, do you have there of the other books you've written? Okay, I'm not done with this yet, but yes, I'll show you the other books. All right. What more do we need to know then? Okay, so this is process-oriented.

Okay. You're talking about being in the class, being shy, being bored, checking out mentally. In this book, the children are constantly involved. They have a learning partner who's the same ability. So if they're deliberate learners and they need time, they're paired together. if they're high creative and go off the charts all the time they're paired together so that they're working with someone who sparks them at their level of thinking which is all of them but the process that goes on is always provide the information ask what ask them what vocabulary they need on the board

so that they can do whatever the activity is and spell it right let them work together especially at the beginning of the year they write their sentences together they write their paragraphs their poetry they do everything together with a partner that takes away the boredom that puts the child in charge then they have to come up present the information i know for heaven's sakes so they get used to standing in front of their class and they begin to encourage each other so when you're halfway through the year your children are able to edit correct grammar work together present information and the second half of the year it's like how much are you willing to let them do and let them go for teach them and then see if they're utilizing or doing the stuff, right? Can they do it? Can they be the assistant teacher? My favorite one was the Roman Empire. It was a tough unit.

Fifth grade, children do not understand the elephants going over the Alps with no sense to them. So I asked, how would you like to learn it? A play. They always choose a play, by the way. So they voted on doing a play, and I formed groups of four, balanced groups, mixed groups, and then assign them part of the book the day when we had books and said no props

I do not want fig trees in my classroom you have to present part of the information each of the four of you so no one gets to just tag along and ask questions and teach the class and grade the papers and hand them back so they all did it including my child who was barely in my classroom just barely got into the class

and she stood up and did her piece and everybody applauded. It was like they'd never seen her do anything. This was wonderful for her. And then one boy regaled the class with the entire review of the Roman Empire. He had never raised his hand before. Wow. They applauded and cheered him. He just blushed pink. He was so excited. But you see, Chris, they had done it. They were involved. They presented. They asked questions. They took quizzes. They were completely involved far more than if I'd been the teacher. Ah.

I like that. They were the teacher. Yeah. If you don't mind me jumping in, I was just going to affirm that in saying one of the things I loved, there's, and I'm not cracking on teachers, but I'm just saying that I love something more than another thing. And some teachers, they get up and they teach, and it's a very logical process. And they're just basically talking at you the lessons you're learning and you need to take

in that data. But the teachers that engaged the class and gave you what you're talking about and made it fun and made it interesting and tactile. The problem was, I would look at math, and math is important for people that use math for science and rockets and building engineering. We all need math. We use math. We all use. But we don't all need to learn algebra and trigonometry. That's for people who go that next level, and that's their brain frame.

and when your brain turns off from some of these classes in school that you don't really need to learn, but they try and force you to do it for credits and, I don't know, just to employ people. I figured out in high school that I only needed 26 credits to graduate, and they had 54 classes that I needed to take and pass. And I'm an entrepreneur for reason because I cut corners and find innovation. And so I just said, why do I need to pass 54 classes when I can just pass 26? I wasn't going to go to Harvard. My parents are poor.

I was going to have a Pell Graham. I wasn't that bright of a kid to go to Harvard or anyplace else either. And so I just said, fuck it. I know my trajectory in life. And thank God it turned out good for me. And I did do my own education. I should all led that. I gave myself my own MBA through the thing.

But yeah, teachers that have that interaction that make it very, What's the word? I'm looking for tactile, the teaching, the lessons. In biology class. Interactive. That's the, that's the perfect word. That's why you're a teacher. I'm not. In biology, you know, I'm a pod tester. I'm just a stupid podcaster. But with biology, you always had stuff to play with in front of you. And I didn't like biology. I certainly skipped the frog thing. That was beyond me. That was, yeah, I was like, no, I'll fall off. I'm not doing that. And I don't care. That's great for people that like that stuff. But I still remember that tiny little heart. Oh, my God. I didn't even get that far.

I was like, my hero. My hero in my books, by the way, is the frog. That's true. Now, the rest of your books, they're all geared towards children. Is that correct? Yes. Yes. And then you mentioned, one book you mentioned you have for cursive.

And I grew up in California with a really healthy school system. We were, we were, we knew the alphabet and could read and write by kindergarten. Most places they don't. Wow. You can do it. It can be done. Yeah. And then we, by fourth grade, we were writing poems.

We were doing stop motion movies. Just like you do in Hollywood. They literally taught in fourth grade. In second grade, we learned cursive. And I still, I still have a romance to that memory. I still actually have the bottles. and the pen ink and the Montblancs were they? Oh my gosh, they went all out.

Oh, yeah, they're still in the storage room. And I kind of have, and I learned cursive. And I miss that romantically, that era of learning that. I don't know if I could do it now, but the art form of, why do you think cursive has, I think you alluded to a little bit, but why do you think cursive has helps with brain activity and learning and growing and stuff. In the beginning of the book, I put in some research that I found that indicates that

children who learn cursive are better thinkers because you're forming a letter and you're connecting a letter and they connect different ways. So you're constantly thinking as you're writing, you're thinking of the process. And the process is what it's all about, whatever book I'm in. It's the process of thinking. That's key. So I invented this based on printed letter because I was on vacation one summer. and I was terribly bored.

And I thought, what does the children don't have? And I thought they don't have an easy way to teach themselves person. So I took the printed letters. I took the simple ones first, like letter C and letter O and letter A. They all have a beginning the same. And I created steps. So I put the steps of the cursive letter that put the printed letter and all the steps, little arrows, little description, little practice words at the bottom,

and did that for the whole book. It took a little while. But I want you to know, C, A, and O, the first three letters, make two words, Cocoa and Coquo. That's it. Only two words, I can give the children to practice. If they know something else, please let me know at Books by Trudy at gmail.com, because I'd like to know some more words. But anyway, we got the cursive book done.

For some reason, I've not been able to get it up on P with the Amazon group. It won't take that last step. So right now, when my website comes out next Friday, be able to order the cursive book on the website. And I had an artist to do the cover

because it's for the children. And there's a little ink bottle you talked about in the tree. So they can teach themselves cursive. Adult can teach themselves cursive.

My brother passed one to someone who didn't speak English very well and said this will help you understand the letters and the words that go with it. Oh, wow.

He used it for that. Yeah, he's pretty creative. That's wild. That is wild. That is wild. Now, tell us about some of the other books you have that are there. Okay. We have, this started out as a nice little trilogy, three stories in one book, blah, blah, blah, blah.

But I have a very creative artistic team. They came up with this. And it's eight inches by eight inches. It's hard about it. It's a great course. What are we going to do with this? So we called it the children's copy table book, the first ever. So this is now a coffee table look.

And the illustrations are in the... Can you read us the title so people can Google that? Yes. A trilogy of the Great Forest Adventures, a children's coffee table look, the first ever by Trudy J. Carter. So if you go online and look up Trudy J. Carter, this book will come up.

This book will come up. Now, my concern was it's expensive. Hardback. Pages are dark green, scrolls on the edges. beautiful artwork in the back. This is an expensive book. What are we going to do? So my person that I work with said,

how about three smaller books? They can buy paperback books. Once again, the design team said, let's put the scroll work. And the next thing I know, the inside had scroll work. Oh, wow. That's beautiful.

So this team has been like awesome. So we have pictures in the back. We have a little photo album in the back that shows the pictures. the characters. Oh, wow. And it's just, it's a little squirrel. Yeah, a little red squirrel.

And yeah, yeah. Kids love that. My book signing lady suggested I put one, two, three on the side so they would know the order of the book stories. So everybody pitches in. Everybody pitches in. And all of a sudden, my books end up more wonderful than I had planned. Yeah, that's wonderful.

And the stories about what's involved in the stories. Is this one there with the dragon and frogs, or was that a different book? No, dragons and frogs. In fact, I had the first one, this is a couple years ago, but I did that Can Dragons and Frogs Be Friends? Everbys. Before that was the six-year-old

book, Can Dragons and Frogs Be Friends? So the sixth-year-old book has a coloring book in the back. Oh, okay. They go in the back, they grab the crayons, and the illustrations are all in the back so that they can color them. So that idea

got carried forward and we do the coloring book for Can Dragons and Frogs Be Friends? Oh, there you go. And so there's a real song for each one in the coloring book. So again, these are not originally ideas for me to jump off with, but somebody else says, why don't you do this? And off we go. The illustration work, again, is awesome.

I'll just hold up one of them for you. But they just do awesome illustrations. Oh, wow. Now, why did you pick dragons and frogs as the characters? What drew you to that? High school, or college. I had a silk screening project. And like you, I was like, why am I doing silk screening for no reason whatsoever?

So why don't I make a little story of Melville and Throckmorton? And so I have a little paper copy of Melville and Throckmorton starting their story. When I retired, my son found it because, Mom, you need to make this into a book. So I wrote the story, got the book published. and then kind of like let it go, went on with my life, did a little more teaching, went to another publishing company, and they said, oh, you need to upgrade the book, we'll get better pictures and add more information. So the six-year-old book went up to an 11-year-old book. And I had two boys buy them each the other day, two brothers. One bought the sixth-grade, six-year-old, and one bought the 11-year-old. And I said, please come back, and we can see how you thought of these two books. And I'm getting all these notices across you, and I do not know why. I don't think they're from you. No, that's probably something else.

I don't have my glasses on. Yeah, so I can't. So are there any other books we want to feature and talk about? Okay. And mind you, this lady, giving me tired. Somebody interrupt you, but the hundred monkeys, okay. Yeah, 100, and it's under stories and rhyme. I think isn't that Twitter, 100 monkeys?

Isn't that what's going on in Twitter? The 100 monkeys, I don't know. The original 100 monkeys was an experiment on an island. Oh, I thought this was Congress. Yeah. I think that's 235, isn't it? Yeah, I stretched it a little bit. Yeah, you did.

Anyway, wonderful illustrations. Groups of 10, so they see what 10 monkeys looks like in 20, and this is 30 monkeys. Again, a very creative artist. And it's all written in rhyme. Oh, really? It's hurrying outside, her arms wave in the air. The huts built for me, she wails in despair.

And so the rhyming words. A three-year-old listened to this the other day and turned to his grandmother, a good friend of mine, and said, they weren't very nice monkeys. She never got to take a nap on her cot. And I thought, oh, this child is going to go far. Anyway, they saved her from an Anacama snake. and they become heroes. But written and rhyme, counting by tens, and lots of fun about bossy monkeys and hero monkeys,

heroes at the end, which goes to show you there's hope for every child. Hero. Hope is the wonderful thing that humans have that gives them an enduring allure. Now, with rhyme, why do you think that's important to developing young people's brains, maybe? It's a different way of thinking. When the children are little in school and they're learning words, they'll learn rhyming words. So that's how you'll get them to get several words in a row. So cup, cup, they learn to spell by rhyming.

Then they hit the real English language and things don't rhyme. So I ate something, but I have eight cookies. And now it doesn't look the same, sounds the same. drives the child crazy. So somewhere along the line they want to give up on spelling. And one boy came in. He was in sixth grade. His mother said, teach him how to spell.

And I looked at him. I said, surely you know how to spell. He goes, yeah, but nobody cares. So I don't bother. I said, really? For this hour, you're going to care. Every time you spell the word wrong, I made him write it five times on the board.

By the end of the period, and he was like, okay, okay, okay. Spelling's important. He met someone who cared. There's nine different ways to get children to spell properly. Oh, really? Some of them, I observed a lot of teachers. I got to go with teacher classrooms and demonstrations. And they would have the most, and still believe teachers are our renaissance.

The teachers out there who are trying different things, they are today's renaissance. One first grade teacher, she just let the kids yell the word out loud. They yell out the word they couldn't spell. She wrote it on the board or one of the kids spelled it for them. And that was how she made it. sure they spell word properly. But it's in here. There's nine ways to get spelling. I could have used that

because I still can't spell restaurant properly. Try spelling Renaissance. I don't know why I picked that word. Renaissance, I think I can spell. Every time I look at that word, I go, there's one and two S's that's what you have to remember. Yeah. I don't know why I picked that word.

Yeah. I just think about the guillotine and then I can do Renaissance. The French Renaissance was that part? I don't know. Yes. I flung to histories. Somewhere in there, there's a story. So what do you hope the teachers, with the first book we featured, as four teachers, what do you hope they come away with and they utilize the book for? Process.

Getting the kids to do the thinking, the back of the book in Chapter 11 has all the different types of intelligences and all the different processes of thinking. So when they're in Chapter 11, you're teaching that child to think, to do timelines, to do diagrams, to do all kinds of activities. So they're thinking. There's even a section in here that teaches you how to do mysteries with the child, oral mysteries and puzzles, because that's what makes them think. And the six levels of thinking, and then they're applied to six levels of questions,

at which point the children take over writing the tests. And now the children, and they do it as a review, and then they take the book test. And they're always so surprised. Oh, look, my question is on the test. You can't think different ways with uriced test. It's going to be facts or it's going to be implications, but it's going to be similar thinking. So once the children can think, then test taking becomes easy.

The class that I did the Roman Empire with, we just did everything. Oh, I had such a good time that year. It's all in here. But at the end of the year, when they took the national testing, the Iowa test basic skills, it's national. And their scores went way up more than the usual one year. Even this, quote, low child went up almost two full years of growth. Wow.

And the assistant superintendent was out to the building and a hustle. How did this happen? Wow. And the principal said she pretty much did what she wanted. She taught the kids to be teachers. So that's, think about the one room schoolhouse. Yeah. One room schoolhouse.

Every child had to be a teacher. Oh, wow. Yeah, if you can get them to help each other too, yeah. Let me ask you this. You live through a lot of changes to education over those years. You probably lived through some of the racial stuff, the desegregation, the Ruby, what was her name, the young girl who they had to call National Guard in Alabama to have her go. And then there was the George Bush, no child left behind, which my understanding is it was a complete failure. Can, I don't know what your thoughts are on it.

I'm open to them. Can teaching be legislated properly, or is this something that we just, we just need to try and support teachers in some way to make it so that they have the tools they need? Because they all care and they want the best. But I just think we really kind of screw them. I remember my mom was a teacher for almost 20, 25 years. And I remember one day she called me. I've owned companies on my life, so I'm used to have.

an expense account. They are my expense account. And as she called me, she goes, yeah, I just came home from the craft store. I spent $250 up there. I go, well, that's cool, man. I guess they give you a pretty nice reimbursement package for materials for school. And she bought the, I think I may have left out, she bought the materials of the craft store for her students for her classroom. And she was teaching elementary school. So you know, you got to have fun. You got to have pictures and, you know, all sorts of material. Yeah, you got to have all the stuff. And she's like, no, they don't paint. me for that. That's just out of my pocket. I'm like, you're paying $250 a month out of your pocket to help these kids. It is a damn shame that teachers have to have one of those book drives or

whatever, bake sales. We'll give trillions to people building bombs and F-35 fighters. I think we're kind of seeing in today's world the result of some of that legislation and problems because people, it's like living on the set of idiocracy of the movie right now. It's just beyond this is beyond the bill. The hard part is when they turn around and say, how are your students doing? And do you deserve the race? Yeah.

I have the students all graduating, reading on level. And when they're not, then at least for me, that was the excuse of why would you get paid more money if you can't. The first year I taught, I quit. Because I had three students, I couldn't teach how to read. I didn't know what to do.

So the second year, my friends were going back, It's a nice summer vacation here, winter vacation. Guess I'll do teaching. So I went back into teaching and karma came along and I had four students who couldn't read. And they were kept two years behind. And I'm thinking, okay, I failed the first year. What am I going to do with these children?

That's different. The curriculum stays the same. Go back to first grade and review that and so on and so forth. And then we did a play. We did a play in science about poisons. and I told the boys, I can't help you. I have too much to do. You'll have to work together and write your own pieces to say in the play.

So they did. And they succeeded and they were very excited. And once again, the non-teacher in me said, why don't you boys work together on the assignment? So I would introduce the assignment and they would spend their hour together working and figuring out all the answers and then I'd check them. and at the end of the year, their testing was high enough that the principal had them skip a year. Wow.

Skip a year. Skip a year. You're going to hell of a teacher. Yeah. But again, that's what I started thinking. If the children work together and they're watched over, I don't like to just throw them together. I teach them how to work together and nod your head yes and ask questions and say good idea. So it's in the book.

So they do know how to interact. But that's what I realized they learn more when they work together. Not the best kid telling the low kid, but the synergy of ability grouping, that's synergy. That would help the children learn. And I thought, whoa. So for me, for this book, for the teachers that might be wondering, should they get this, this is an inspirational book. you are the Renaissance, you will think of your own ideas, you can try these, make up your own,

but you will see new ways to involve the students, and that's when the thinking becomes intelligence-based rather than AI or memorization or whatever. But Chapter 11 has all the different thinking levels, multiple intelligences. I chuckled when you talked at the beginning about how school wasn't your thing. There are six other intelligences. You're good at the intro and the talking with others. That's your intelligence. That's your genius.

So this is a natural for you. It's just, it's that and really bad jokes. Okay, I don't know what intelligence that is. You'll have to pick your own. They're dumb jokes. They're in the back. They're in the back. We just hit the low-hanging fruit of bad jokes.

So, yeah, that's how we roll. So as we go out, give people. people, a final pitch out to order up your books and your works and how they can get to know you better? All right. Right now, the books are on Amazon except the cursive book. That will be on my website, Trudy J. Carter.com starting the end of next week, she'll have it all done. You can order the curse of book there. You can also bulk order, so the prices come down. So if you're homeschooled, you can do that. All the other books are up on Amazon. Again, if you want to book order, You could also go to booksidepress.com.

They'll do book orders for you in bulk. So if you need more than one, go ahead and use them. They're phone numbers in the front of the book, and it's on my website. All right. At gmail.com, I set that up. So if someone wants to get in touch with me and says, what would you do with this? And why, when I tried this, did it not work? Oh, I did it work?

So books by Trudy, spelled Trudy with an eye. at gmail.com you're welcome to send a note there I'm glad to respond if I get 5,000 you'll have to wait a few days and then then that's pretty much it for now

I haven't set up I have a Facebook I have Twitter I have all but I'm not using them so I'm not going to recommend them I'll put them on the website so when they're up and going you can connect with me through there

so I'll make sure it's available after next Friday week from tomorrow all right sounds good there'll be a link for all that too on the Chris Vos show. Well, thank you very much, Trudy. I have one more letter. I have my letter.

Oh, that's right. Go ahead and read that for it. This is for my students. Hold tight. This is for all my beautiful students. I'm going to read it without crying, too. Okay. To my dearest and most precious students from New York, Iowa, and Georgia.

Thank you for being in my class, for being my student. Your smiles lit up our day. your tears reminded us to be kind. Your helpfulness made our day go more smoothly. Sharing with others made us all a success. Please remember. And I mean this most sincerely to each and every one of you. I loved you.

I still love you. With happy thoughts for each of you, Ms. Carter, aka. Mrs. O'Brien. Thank you, Chris, for the privilege of sharing that. Thank you for sharing it. And what you share with your work as an educator and changing people's lives.

What a thing. What a beautiful thing. So thank you very much for coming to the show. Trudy, we really appreciate it. Thanks for tuning in. Order per book, where fine books are sold, all of them, actually. The first one we featured, True Learning, A Renaissance in Education by Trudy J. Carter.

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