The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Unlicensed Medicine: Releasing Ancestral Trauma and Unleashing the Power of your Lineage by Dr. Meher Chahal

Episode Date: February 9, 2026

Unlicensed Medicine: Releasing Ancestral Trauma and Unleashing the Power of your Lineage by Dr. Meher Chahal Drmeherchahal.com https://www.amazon.com/Unlicensed-Medicine-Releasing-Ancestral-Unleashing/dp/1967587345 What if the emotional trauma you’re carrying isn’t even yours? Dr. Meher Chahal thought she had escaped her childhood trauma and shadows by becoming a psychiatrist. Initially, she was passionate about joining psychiatry as a result of her mother’s schizophrenia and the impact of the illness on her family system. But everything unraveled when she discovered her maternal ancestor was found guilty of the murder of her husband in a trial that made Indian Supreme Court history. Her carefully built career, her denial of past trauma, even her sense of self—suddenly, none of it felt real. In Unlicensed Medicine, Dr. Chahal takes you on a raw, unflinching journey from psychiatric residency to ancestral healing, revealing how generational trauma lives in our bodies and shapes our lives in ways we never imagined. This ancestral trauma essentially becomes a soul-level karmic debt that a child carries out of love and loyalty to the family system of origin. This isn’t your typical self-help book filled with gentle affirmations. This is shadow work for the brave—a guide to facing the parts of yourself you’ve been avoiding and alchemizing your deepest wounds into power. Through the lens of Family Constellations and somatic healing, Chahal shows us that breaking generational cycles requires more than positive thinking, conventional medications, and talk therapy. It demands radical honesty, nervous system rewiring, and the courage to feel everything you’ve been running from. If you’ve ever wondered: Why you keep repeating the same painful and self-sabotage patterns Why meditation alone isn’t enough Why your “perfect” life still feels empty What’s really beneath your anxiety, depression, or unexplained rage This book is your wake-up call. This is root cause healing at the deepest layer of all trauma. Something which most self-help books miss. Drawing from both Western psychiatry and spiritual healing on a soul level. Dr. Chahal offers a revolutionary approach to understanding trauma—not just as personal wounds, but as inherited burdens passed down through generations. With unflinching vulnerability, she shares her own journey of pain, discovery, and continuous healing—because this work is never truly “done,” and that’s exactly the point. Unlicensed Medicine is for seekers who are done with surface-level healing. For those brave enough to look into the shadow cage and reclaim what’s been hidden there. For anyone ready to honor their ancestors while returning their unprocessed pain. You are the cycle breaker your lineage has been waiting for. Warning: Side effects include sudden self-awareness, expanding your consciousness, audacious authenticity, and the uncomfortable realisation that most healing modalities don’t even come close to the root. The Good News? This powerful healing therapy may just heal your relationship with money, power, sex, and love! Since these are all deeply intertwined in the systemic constellation quantum field. After all, what’s the point of healing if it’s not practically useful? Because the experience of the material world is the most spiritual experience for a soul on this planet. About the author Indian-American doctor, model, psychological astrologer, angel investor and visionary entrepreneur trained in Family Constellation therapy Born into a lineage marked by her mother’s schizophrenia and a murder in her maternal line, she experienced firsthand the weight of trauma that Western medicine alone could not explain. After 11 years in medicine and psychiatry, she left the conventional path to follow a deeper calling. Her discovery and training in Family Constellations revealed a system she calls the most powerful healing modality on the planet — one that unites the science of epigenetics with the wisdom of the soul.

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podcast, but it's not an endorsement or review of any kind. She is the author of the latest book that came out October 22nd, 2025 entitled Unlicensed Medicine, releasing ancestral trauma and unleashing the power of your lineage. Today we're going to be talking with you, a wonderful young lady on the show about her insights and everything that goes into it. We're going to talking to Meher Kahal. Did I get that right, Doc? Chehal. Cheel.

So we're going to get into with her book, her details, and all of her stuff there, and should be a pretty interesting conversation. Some of the insights of her, she's the author of the aforementioned book, a teacher who helps people understand and heal inherited trauma. Dr. Chahel is a former psychiatry resident who quit Western medicine to focus on deep healing. Her powerful and vulnerable journey involved navigating her mother's schizophrenia and a family murder. Wow. Her insights on inherent trauma come where over 90% of our trauma isn't even ours is deeply insightful and aligns with personal transformation.

Welcome to the show. Doc, how are you? Thank you. much. I am doing well. How are you? I am doing excellent. If I can just start speaking correctly, that would be great if I can get the words right. So, give us any dot-coms websites. Where do you want people to find you on the interwebs? My website is Dr. Mejah. And my Instagram is also Dr. Sweet and Simple. Yeah. So give us a 30,000 overview that you can on the website there. the overview of the website.

I'm sorry, of the book. Of the book. So the book is deeply, it's very, very deep. I would like to start with that. It's a personal memoir of healing from my own healing journey, of like healing from complex trauma and really, you know, discovering the amalgamation of where Western medicine and Eastern medicine meet. And that's through what I discovered was systemic and family constellations therapy, which I am also trained in. I discovered this shortly after

leaving my Western medicine training. So it talks about somatics, which is body-based healing and systemic and family constellations therapy. And yeah, with personal example, examples and teachings about this. So this is essentially, yeah, I feel like it's a trauma is something which affects every sphere of your life. Like it seeps into energetically into everything. So it's kind of a broad healing, healing perspective. Yeah. Well, we talk a lot about this. A lot of the show over the years, especially with lots of doctors like yourself that have been on the show. And trauma, especially unhealed trauma from childhood, just carries through adulthood and pretty much all of your life, unless you deal with it. Does that sound like your findings as well with trauma?

Yes, but I would like to go way deeper than that. You know, what I have discovered it, it's so much more than like, oh, you know, because my mom was like that, so I'm like this. Oh, because that happened to me, so I'm like this. When you really start delving into like epigenetics scientifically side, as well as the psychological ancestral side, you know, you will see these like dynamics and patterns repeat in all kind of up the lineage. Like, you know, the kind of relationship that I have with my mom, my, she mirrored with her mom.

And my grandmother mirrored with her this thing. So it's like it's so much deeper than just my life. It's a ripple effect of like this ancestral, yeah, trauma essentially till like somebody really wakes up and, you know, tries to like break the pattern and stop the pattern. Yeah. Now tell us a little bit about your life and your upbringing. what got you into psychology or some of these different healing modalities. Give us some of that story because I think people definitely want to hear it. Yeah.

So I went to medical school. You know, I represent the stereotypical Indian kid who can be a doctor, lawyer, engineer. Unfortunately, I was really good academically, so I only had the doctor option. You know, I went to medical school in India. And I really did not like any other Western medicine branch. And I was obviously drawn to psychiatry because of my mom and really figuring it out. My own personal mental health challenges and how like psychiatry help with that. So I, that's what kind of got me into pursuing like a psychiatry residency.

And then when I kind of got there, I really like realized that. And wow, it's like don't judge the book by its cover and it's so like it doesn't even come to the root of the problem. There's so much of like just numbing and like boxing people into a label or diagnoses and just it's like a systemic level problem. And I just, and for me personally, depth is a really big driving force. Like it gives me a sense of like purpose. And I just kind of saw it as like this. revolving door and like just adding like another diagnosis, another medication. So I was deeply unfulfilled with with the truly like Western part of it. That's what got me to leave it. And then I,

you know, synchronistically discovered this lady, my mentor who was trained in system and family consternation. She actually used to be a pharmacist and she had a near death experience and then she transitions to family consolation. So then I started like, you know, first I was her client and then I trained with her and I was just like blown away by by by and for the first six months, you know, she would send me like research papers or like, you know, the workings or and the mechanisms behind it. And I was like, I don't care. I have intellectualized my feelings all my life. I don't want to read the science behind it. It's working and that's all that matters. I don't want my brain to like

going to this. So like for the first six months, I didn't even want to like read the literature because I saw so many like quick shifts in my life with it. So that's how that's how I kind of discovered this and just to give a little bit of background on like family and systemic constellations and, you know, what the origin of that was. So the father of family constellation is Bert Heilinger. He was a German psychotherapist. He was a Catholic priest. And he fought in World War II. And, you know, from, from war and stuff, he had like PTSD and a lot of trauma. So he kind of went on his own healing journey and went to actually Africa where he met this tribe called Zulu tribe. He stayed with them for like months and months. And first, they really

helped him heal and they introduced this ancestral healing modality to him. And then they trained him in it. And he was like, you know, why am I not incorporating this into my traditional psychotherapy practice? And that's when he like brought it back with him to Germany and started doing this. And, you know, like I found it really, really amazing how he would, he would really try to find equilibrium and balance and restore order, which is a really big part of like the healing of constellations. And he actually bought Hitler's house after he passed away and he would, yeah, he would take, he would actually have Nazi soldiers and victims of like, you know, the of Jews who were like of this of these crimes. And he would try to like really bring peace and healing towards this at Hitler. home and hold these like workshops there.

So I was just like, I just thought it was so futuristic and amazing. Really like, you know, the kind of results you get in therapy from like 10, 15 years, you get it without like talking in like a session. And it's this is not just me preaching or like selling the latest, oh my God, I found the solution to everybody's problem, but this is a common. narrative that like other women that I met at workshops also shared that like, oh my God, this is like worth 10 years of therapy. That was such a common sentence that I would keep hearing. Well, therapy is therapy. And, you know, dealing with these issues, addressing them,

cleaning them out, etc. etc. Now, I've heard of generational trauma. Is ancestral trauma similar? Are they different definitions, as it were? I think generational would encompass ancestral. Ancestral would be a more like a part of generational because, of course, like, you know, the boomers experienced a certain kind of like world events and trauma. And then like, you know, Gen X did and then like, you know, millennials did and then Gen Z. So that I would encompass as generational trauma And when you really take your family lineage into this thing,

that makes it more ancestral. More ancestral. So you talk in the book about different things like being a cycle breaker for your lineage. Talk to us about some of the effects and some of the things on here. I see there's some good news and some warnings about being a cycle breaker. Well, I would say, you know, the first step of healing or making any kind of change in your life is like an increase in consciousness and awareness to even like realize that there's an issue or a problem which needs to be changed. So that's the first step. Like if you can't, if you can't see that something is broken, you wouldn't even go down the path of trying to understand and heal it.

So, you know, I would say that that, you know, I think the pain of it got so much that it really pushed me to seek this modality as a healing. Yeah. Yeah. Describe this pain for us because there may be people in the audience that they're going through the same thing. And maybe they haven't identified it as a pain or maybe they're in pain and they don't know what it is or why it is. What was that like for you and how would you describe it? I really thought like, you know, how we started speaking on the show that it was very much like, oh, childhood trauma. Like my mom has schizophrenia and, you know, I deal from the, you know, kind of classical symptoms of like neglect and, you know, overachieving and perfectionism.

Like, it was very like X equals to Y and very cross-sectional. And when I really started doing consolation sessions, I started realizing how damn deep this runs and how these patterns were like present in like women before my mom and like her mom's mom. And so it's it goes like almost seven generations back. So it really broadened broadens that. And I would say that if there is a. you know, like you said for people in the audience, if they're like struggling with something, if there is like a particular pattern that you're just not able to break through or a particular kind of like, I don't want to call it like a curse, but you know, there's something there's a level of a block or a stuckness that no matter how hard you try or how many sessions of therapy you get or how much you talk it out, it just doesn't go away. I would say that there, it's

probably there's something there which is much larger than yourself and much deeper and goes way back in the line than just yours. You know, if you could really like broaden the lens and kind of see it from that perspective. Mm. Bronding the lens. See it from that perspective and stuff. Now, with the, uh, doing the unlicensed medicine with uh, helping release the trauma. You know, you studied like scientific medicine and all that sort of good stuff. Why do you feel that this works for you and your clients and other people better than maybe traditional medicine? What's the difference in betterment to good, bad and evil, I guess,

or whatever here? I, you know, I, I still do respect psychiatry, so I wouldn't want to, you know, I think that there is a time and place for everything. And one of my therapists, to always tell me meher life is not or it's and i really resonate with that i think there is a time and a place for medication like you know if somebody's acutely suicidal or somebody's going through withdrawal of course sure like psychiatry is like life saving but when it really comes to like going down the root of the problem and really eradicating that i don't think that western medicine comes anywhere close to it. Especially because, and it's not like a doctor problem because most of my colleagues were very nice, my attendings were very nice. It's not them that they don't

have empathy or skills or intelligence. It's the system. It's like you have to practice medicine by what DSM, which is like the Bible of psychiatry, like you know, you have to somehow fit the diagnoses into that box. And, you know, you know, you can't just if somebody comes to you can't just discharge them without a diagnosis. You know, so the system benefits of billing and then insurance and then pharma companies, there's like so much like complexity involved in it. So it's like a systemic problem and not so much of a doctor is not good to patient problem. And it's it doesn't even scratch the surface. And I just, I feel like I was not making any genuine difference. I just felt this sense of like frustration that,

oh my God, we just discharge you from the psychot like on Monday and he's back like 48 hours later. And like, what am I doing? Like I'm just increasing the medicine by like 50 million. I'm like, is this going to be the rest of my damn life? Like this is this is not helping anybody. And you know, Chris, I feel being really, really honest. It was still like. I'm sorry, I shouldn't laugh over this, but it's. You know, it's really sad and the reality is that I'm really blessed that I came from like privilege where my family was supportive and I could leave. And in India, the medical system is a bit different. We don't take student loans to go to medical school because it's like much cheaper and stuff like that.

But in America, you know, like I've had like colleagues and batchmates who are in $300,000, $500,000 debt. And they can't like just wake up one fine day and be like, I want to leave residency because this is a bunch of bonoony. So they have to like, you know, go on with that. Yeah. So there are like so many like multiple factors. And more than the adult part, I think where I really felt like, oh my God, this is bad karma. Was the kids. Was the children part where I was like, oh my God, I am using my hands to diagnose this little six year old with opposition to define disorder, ADHD,

Intermittent explosive disorder, all because that damn kid didn't want to go to school on Monday, Wednesday and Friday. And I was like, I am ready to like sit in and over and take the kid to school and stand outside. I think that would like help the kid more than me slapping on one more diagnosis. So it was really the kid's part, which was really like, man, this is unethical. The kid has not even started living their life and I'm already diagnosing a 13, 14 year old with like schizofertil. free and bipolar, like, I don't believe in this. You know, you've already created a medical file this thick and the person hasn't even face the real world yet.

Like, they're not even eating yet. And I just, you know, I'm like, I'm spiritual. I do believe in karma. And I just, I was like, this is not good karma. So, yeah, those were just some of the reasons why I was like really unhappy with like, with Western medicine. And like I said, it can be life-saving if you're like suicidal or you're very depressed or you're going to withdraw. I don't think that there is no place for it.

I think there is you need to use personal discernment. But as far as like a root level problem, yeah, I think that there is something deeper there, something so much more deeper. Yeah, a lot more deeper, as it were. Yeah, so it's pretty interesting. what you offer here and what you talk about, you know, some of the,

you know, most of those clients that you talked about, were they in India or were they in America? They were in America. Yeah. In America,

I was in Brooklyn, so they were over there and it has a very, very busy psyche. Now, why do they call it shadow work? It is shadow work because it is all the

uncomfortable, kind of more taboo or undesirable parts that you don't want to look at. I remember I had a teacher once and she called the shadow, your shame cage. You know, things that you, you know, things which are, you don't want to take a look at and you just, you don't want to deal with.

So you kind of like play sweet, sweep under the rug. You hide the skeletons in the closet till one day, you know, you can't like ignore it till it gets. what you repress has to come out in like uglier ways sooner or later like Freud said that. And the word shadow was really like Kalyang really spoke about that, you know, that each of us carries a shadow and the brighter the light, the darker the shadow. So, you know, I, that's what really drew me into this. And I, yeah, I think I'm really like attracted to that kind of work.

Oh, wow. So you basically help people with this. Now, I don't know if you want to promote any of the stuff on your website, but you help people with some of the issues they might have what we've talked about here. And do you want to promote any of that so that people can check that out? If they need help, they are hearing the broadcast. Yes. So I think the only reason I'm not actively promoting it is because I'm in a transition.

I'm actually moving back to India to Mumbai. there's a lot of like transition happening in my life that's why I'm like avoiding like any kind of work commitment but if anybody wants to like reach out to me personally all my details are on my website and they are more than welcome to email me book a session with me I think it's it's pretty up and running so yeah and what's the website again so you can find it doctor meherchehal dot com so give us your final pitch out to people to order up your book contact you your website website and all that good stuff as we go out. Yes, if this is, if you've been feeling like you've been on your healing journey for a long time, or you're just starting it, or you're really frustrated that you've tried every damn thing from like plant medicine to like six different site meds to like, I don't know, you know, everything and nothing seems to be working. I would say there's no harm or side effect in trying constellations. And there are a lot of constellation practitioners all over the world. It's actually practiced all over the globe.

It's just not as mainstream. And I think that was kind of my intention to, you know, like when something is so powerful, why is this not being like promoted? So that is kind of like my intention with it. Try it out. You have like nothing to lose and you might just. be super surprised at what you may find, which may come through in your lineage or your ancestors. And, you know, so constellations is a very, for me, it is a perfect representation of spirituality

and science. It's, it's so epigenetic and it's also so spiritual and soul level. And when you heal, you know, you essentially are healing for your lineage. and your ancestors, you know, your ancestors, you are, you have the opportunities that your ancestors prayed for. And when you really heal that connection with your ancestors, you are able to receive a lot of life force energy from them, those blockages or those entanglements or those severances from family and ancestors, once you're able to kind of remove that to constellations, you get so much so much more blessing and love. Oh, wow.

And just energy from your lineage. And you need that for so many things, whether it's your creative baby, your project, your business, money, so many things. So it's truly very practical and also materialistic, but also very spiritual. So it really satisfies my both left and right brain. So I would say that, like check out my book, licensed medicine. It's in, I think, Bons and Nobles. It's on

Amazon. It's on Kindle. It's, and then there's my website. If you're interested in booking a one-on-one session, yeah, that's that's what I would suggest. All right. Sounds good then. Well, it's been

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