The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – UNLOCK YOUR POTENTIAL: Own Your Power, Master Your Emotions, and Live Your Best Life Today by Matt Traverso

Episode Date: December 6, 2024

UNLOCK YOUR POTENTIAL: Own Your Power, Master Your Emotions, and Live Your Best Life Today by Matt Traverso Amazon.com Matttraverso.com If you want to reach your full potential and fulfil your dreams while making a difference in the lives of others, then keep reading... Henry David Thoreau observed that "Most men lead lives of quiet desperation and go to the grave with the song still in them." It's so easy to get caught up in the day to day and forget why you're doing this in the first place. And before you know it, time runs out. So many of us feel as though we're not living our best lives or being our best selves, but what if you had the key to break free from the same old patterns, reignite your passion, and step into the life you were always meant to live? Drawing on years of experience coaching thousands of clients worldwide, Matt brings a wealth of knowledge, insights, and practices to help people uncover and bring out the best in themselves and others. Through compelling narratives, practical exercises, and real-life examples, this book will fuel your drive, boost your confidence, and empower you to be your best. Unlock Your Potential is for anyone who wants to unleash their full potential and harness their inner strength for personal and professional success. The practical methods in this book have already transformed the lives of thousands of men and women all over the world. In Unlock Your Potential you'll learn how to: Become the conscious creator of your life Harness your emotions as a source of strength, insight, and empowerment Awaken your true inner strength Rewire your brain, and reprogram your mind, for more happiness and success Break free from fear and limiting beliefs Increase your sense of confidence and inner peace Remove the "shoulds" from your life andmake room for what really matters Build momentum and develop habits that will turn your dreams into reality And much more Gain the power to direct your life by accessing resources and skills to succeed in ways you didn't think possible. If you're stuck doing the same things or feel like you've tried everything but you still struggle to get the results you want, this book will help you get unstuck, break free from the limitations of your own mindset, and build the confidence you need to achieve your most important goals. Perfect for anyone who wants more joy, growth, and true fulfilment, Unlock Your Potential will inspire you, challenge you, and most of all, help you achieve lasting success and happiness in the areas of your life that are important to you. Don't settle for a life of struggle, stress, and frustration. Start reading Unlock Your Potential today and transform your life for good. Whether you are seeking personal growth, professional success, or a deeper connection with your true self, this book is your ultimate guide to unlocking your full potential and living your most inspiring and fulfilling life. Get your copy now, and start your journey to unlocking your true potential and unleashing your best self.About the author Matt is a transformational coach and coaching skills trainer. For the past 25 years he has dedicated his life to personal development and inner transformation. With thousands of hours of coaching, he's an expert at breaking old habits, unlocking human potential, and enabling people to operate at their best. Over the years he has coached thousands of clients, from CEOs and senior executives, to business owners, entrepreneurs, and everyday individuals seeking personal growth. Matt also serves as a mentor coach for professional coaches looking to improve their skills, has appeared on television and radio for his coaching expertise, coached leaders of all backgrounds, presented internationally at conferences and seminars, and has been cited in media outlets, from leading newspapers to niche magazines. His clients include some of the most renowned companies and organizatio...

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to be the game of life as always for the show your family friends and relatives go to goodreads.com for chest christmas linkedin.com for chest christmas christmas one the tick tockety and all those crazy places on the interwebs in the sky. We have the newest author out with his latest book, Unlock Your Potential, Own Your Power, Master Your Emotions, and Live Your Best Life Today, because you don't want to live your best life tomorrow. If you do it today, then you'll have a best life tomorrow, too. I should probably map that out better in my head before I say it. Anyway, it was out April 30th, 2024. Matt Terruso joins us in the

show. We're going to be talking about his insights, what made him write the book and some of the input and stuff that he put in it and how it can help you. Matt is a transformative coach with more than 25 years of experience. He works with CEOs, athletes, entrepreneurs, and everyday people who want to get more out of themselves and their lives. He mentors coaches at all stages of their careers, from beginner coaches to seasoned professionals. Welcome to the show, Matt. How are you? I'm very well. Very excited to be here, Chris. Good. Very excited to have you as well.

Matt, give us any dot-coms. Where do you want people to get to know you better on the interwebs? My website is mattroverso.com. So give us a 3000 overview. What's inside your new book. This book has, has occupied 14, 15 years solid of my life, it really and rewriting it i rewrote it about too many times too many to count but anyway you know the reason why i started this journey was to really find out for myself the best ways to maximize my time on this planet, this gift, this miracle, utilizing my own inner resources in the best possible way. And of course, as I did that, along with all sorts of courses and

coaching programs that I was both taking as a participant and offering as a coach. At the same time, I was also distilling these ideas whilst trying to write them down. So clarifying in my mind what I was learning, what I was doing, because I was so excited with the results that I was getting and that my clients were seeing in their lives that's amazing man and so that gave you the inspiration then huh exactly and i just wanted to clarify crystallize it as much as possible but of course it's always evolving if i if i if i if i if i were to read it again every every time I would read it, I would make some alterations, some changes. Every single day.

So finally I said, I got to stop reading it because otherwise I will never publish it. So unlock your potential. Give us a kind of summation from your book and how we can unlock your potential. Of course, we want to just tease stuff out. We don't want to give them all the data. They got to buy the book for that. Yeah, sure. You know, my coaching journey and my journey in personal professional development

and coaching and self-help skills, tools, life skills in general, I started 30 years ago in the 90s. I'm a psychologist as well. And I actually studied NLP, Neuro Linguistic Programming for many, many years. I'm a master trainer of NLP. So I actually, in the book, you have the best because in the old days I thought it was due to a bunch of techniques and strategies and tools there are still lots of tools techniques and strategies but there is a different outcome a different purpose in this book it's not just a bunch of techniques to learn but it's it's all about you the reader becoming who they already are more of who they already are of who we already are. So maximizing our potential by being more of who we are.

And I keep repeating it just to make sure that our audience can really get it, which is about to put it very simply and bluntly and almost insultingly to be yourself. And why is it important in the title of your book, you have the line, and almost insultingly to be yourself. Be as you are. And why is it important in the title of your book, you have the line, master your emotions. Why is it important to master my emotions and have some maybe still control there? Yeah, that's what life is about. Life is our emotions.

If we have millions, billions of dollars we feel crappy we feel depressed we feel resented or angry all the time or frustrated our life is about depression sadness frustration that's our life and many i mean you know, overall, many people find themselves, unfortunately, in these sad situations and sometimes take their own lives. And they have a ton of money, like Kate Spade in New York, a billionaire. And just, you know was she was fairly recent but so i think that emotions are the alpha and the omega the beginning of the and the end is where the juice is it is where our life is being lived and and that's and that's what we care about anyhow. I'm actually sometimes closing my eyes when I actually say these kinds of things because our life is not outside. We don't live in the beautiful Rolls Royce, in the beautiful.

It's not like we don't live in things, in objects. We live in here. I'm pointing to myself. And here is the result of how we use this thing between our ears. It's important to learn how to use it, since everything else will not suffice and guarantee our happiness at all unless we master our emotions by mastering our mind by mastering our thinking yeah so we need to think over our emotions then we need to use thinking to control and master our emotions so that they don't get the best of us maybe yes that's a that's a simplified

way of saying it and i think luckily fortunately now we know from neurology that mental activity is where we live that's it that's the name of the game. Mental activity, we live in here. The principle of thought that shapes our perception, our reality. It's whatever we do inside, the meaning that we give to things, experiences, situations, people, circumstances. That's where the juice is. And it could be a good juice or a bad juice. If it's a good juice, you are doing great. If it's a bad juice, it doesn't matter how great the circumstances,

people still feel like crap. And what I'm actually ideally through the book people will will realize that regarding the process of thinking the relationship between thoughts and emotions they realize that what's happening in here that is essentially determines and shapes our emotions, and we don't live in the feeling of objects, things of the world, of people, but we live in the feeling of our thinking. Whatever we're thinking at the moment,

that's what we are thinking. Whatever we're thinking at the moment, that's what we are experiencing. And it doesn't matter what those people say. Sometimes people feel, you know, hurt because those people say those nasty things or they are unkind, uncaring, unloving, whatever. But that's not it. Because usually, you know, that's the reason why people, you know, as a coach with 30 years experience, usually, typically, the difficulties, the challenges people present in a coaching session have to do with their relation with in the realm of relationships and not necessarily like a romantic relationship because although that is included but just relating to other people and hallucinating what other people are thinking of them ah why do you call it a hallucination what we call it why did i call it a hallucination? Why did I call it a hallucination? Yeah, because it's not reality.

It's our perception. That's a good question. Very good. It's only our perception. We humans are not in a position and will never be in a position we cannot we just can't know how the world what the world is we cannot know what a circumstance is because the circumstance is neutral 100 and people can say whatever they say, can do whatever they do, but they have no power, not because we have the incantation, the affirmation, the declaration, the powerful declaration that people don't have the power to influence, you know, my feelings. It's not that,

even though some people do these kinds of things, exercises, drills in seminars and workshops. No, but the reason is simply that it's not somebody's words, either kind, loving, beautiful, awesome or not that make us feel whatever we feel ultimately what makes us feel whatever we feel is what we hallucinate to use to answer the question we want what we hallucinate within because you could actually say a wonderful thing to me but if i hallucinate all right he's saying that to make me feel good but he doesn't mean that you know people can come up with all sorts of stuff in their mind and even to repel some genuine sincere compliment and vice versa some people can say not nice things to somebody, and this person can have any reaction, any response, any reaction whatsoever. Can start laughing hysterically, can be totally indifferent, and any other possible reaction that we can think of. Infinite number. And we know that that is true think of infinite number that what what and we know that

that is true so why is that true because we just you know we don't we don't nobody knows what's out there we think oh we have these eyes that we actually see what the world is like that's crazy that's what we think that's a thought but what we know from neurology what happens is that data or data like data like you guys say and just pours pouring on through us and we just make it internally we create a psychological experience we just make a guess a good guess as to what's happening out there, what's happening around me. And that's a real guess. That's why two people can see the same, can witness the same car crash, for example,

and actually have a completely different experience and report a different recollection of the event, each believing 100% genuinely believing of their own truth, whatever it is that they are saying, they are reporting, we go and see a concert, somebody likes it, somebody doesn't, we read a book. We get two different interpretations or experiences from the book, the movie we just watched. There are all sorts. We see a building. Somebody says that's beautiful. Somebody says that's the worst example of architecture.

And on and on and on. Golf, you like it somebody doesn't yeah i remember you know a friend of mine he was actually having this beautiful experience he brought his girlfriend to hawaii and you know the first day they wake up and he wakes up and she is just pacing up and down frustrated she could not wait a second to leave Hawaii then you know finally you know we they settled this so it's essentially that why is that important why am I talking about this it may be yeah I mean if we realize that what the reason that the feelings that we have are not determined, are not the result of circumstances, people or the people that your wife that betrayed you or she cheated on you and things like that. That's not the case.

You might say, hooray, I'm free. I don't know. I'm just kidding but you know when I actually challenge my clients with a lot of respect and a lot of ultimately once you have empathy connection you know you want to explore what's going on and usually we find out that what's going on, they have bought into a general hallucination that everybody's supposed to agree with. Once we realize what we've been doing, that we bought into a cultural conditioning or cultural way of responding to something like you get fired you're supposed you're supposed to get drunk and get depressed and get drunk again that's what you're supposed to do yeah but there is no bio biology in the human system that translates being fired with feeling bad.

How many times, like Disney, Walt Disney, and many, many others, other famous people and not famous people, just people that say, okay, I got fired. Thank God for that. How can I make it the best thing that's ever happened to me that's a great question by the way and there's always a way say okay so this is finally the call from the universe telling me quite clearly start your own business or start your own company or just go to another company but with a different attitude go to another company to make a contribution because if you got fired you weren't you you were you were not being very valuable to that

company otherwise they wouldn't have fired you yeah so emotions can be an obstacle that prevent people from reaching their potential. You know, I've often said, you know, emotions aren't reality. They're kind of rose-colored glasses to our own internal experiences in life. You know, if you have trauma or if you have some sort of emotional damage or perception, it's really just your own interpretation. So, like, you know you you provided some examples before you know i i always use example where two people can go to a party one person can see that it's

an awful party and everything they see is all the people who aren't having fun and another person going to a party same party and they can see all the people that are having fun it's a great party and they both come away with two different perceptions of that party and based on their emotions and their filters of interpreting that you know i mean two people two people can watch a sunset one can be like oh my god it's so beautiful it's amazing another person can be in horrified emotional terror that the world's ending because the sun's going down and we never return so i use those as two extreme examples yes and you said something you know i want to pick up on something you said just now you mentioned we have our own filters that's it that's it everything that we

experience is being filtered through through our own personal subjective unique individual filters so that's why it's good to be unique to you and we think that it's not mine my my. We think that, no, no, no, it's not me. It's them. It's those people. It's the world. It's the stock market. It's the circumstances and on and on. Yes, absolutely.

I just wanted to actually, you know, make that distinction. Yeah, there are lots of examples like that. Everything is like that. Although very often we are just trapped into generalizations and we just go along. Yeah. And so that's why it's so important to use logic and reason is because you can get closer to the truth and what goes on with it. So how has writing this book affected your personal and professional life? Quite a bit. Personally, my personal life and my professional life, how have they certainly, like I mentioned earlier, it's been a great opportunity for me to refine and distill these patterns of thinking, that's been very useful to me personally and professionally because, you know, I don't have any other occupations.

I've been doing coaching all my life. So it just helped. I now have a coaching school. I mean, I've been running my coaching school for the past six years. And yeah, actually, it helped me in all these different ways. But, you know, I wanted to mention something about emotions, because that's what most people are usually interested in? Are you interested in how do I change my emotions? And right, because if we actually wait for the emotions, probably you mentioned that earlier. So it's very important to change our emotions. Yes. But if we wait, of course, sometimes we have to do that as well and we do do that as well but ideally it is

to prevent negative emotions in the first place how do we do that we just stay centered grounded present to ourselves in harmony in tune with and we do well, we do very well. Simply because when we are feeling, when we are having an emotion, if we try to change it, and I know that because I've been into changing emotions for decades, for at least two decades, through neuro-linguistic programming primarily, which is a bunch of tools and techniques and strategies. But these days, I stopped using these tools and techniques. Because otherwise, people think, all right, it's because of that technique that I resolved that negative emotion. And it's something like there's too much forcing. And that forcing bit, I stopped liking it.

And now I want things to be as genuine and authentic as possible what do I mean I mean that I found out I made a great discovery I didn't really probably I knew it unconsciously but not consciously but now I know I'm actually for for example this is something that I distilled through writing the book I realized that we come to this world with a good feeling. A good feeling. The feeling of being alive. And it's a great, awesome feeling. The feeling of being alive.

And we have it from the very beginning. We have this awesome feeling. So what am I saying? I'm saying that our default is well-being. Well-being is our natural state. So we don't actually need a bunch of techniques to make us feel good. Feel good is what we are at our essence, at our core, we are well-being. We are resilience. We are love.

We are joy, happiness. Just look into a newborn baby's eyes and what do you see? Pure joy, bliss. That's what you see. Except for those times when it's wet or when it's hungry. Other than that, normally, except for those times, it's doing amazingly, this baby. So that's, you know, just a clueless, no unnatural state, which is just pure, good feelings. So what gets us out of these good feelings are, I call it contamination, contaminated thoughts, that misleading thoughts that, distract us the interference that takes us off out of our natural state of awesomeness of again well-being and joy and and love so no that's a great thing to keep in mind. And in more practical terms,

we want to realize if we are not feeling good, let's just let those feelings pass without trying to change them, trying to push them away, trying to analyze them, trying to avoid them. If we just know that what they are is not reality, because that's what people think. They hallucinate. You have some thoughts. I mean, I say, you know, in general, people have some thoughts and you generalize. OK, so that's what's happening. Oh my gosh, my life, wow.

And they actually, you know, and they do all crazy, crazy things. Even those people that, you know, you know, crazy people doing crazy shit that they regret for the rest of their lives. Why do they do that? Because, and then they regret it and then they say, oh, my gosh.

Or, you know, those crazies. Sorry if I mention, you know, the other guy that has your same name, that hijacked your name, Chris Voss. We're talking about these bank robbers. And they are so regretful when they are inside the bank and they regret having done, having robbed the bank in the first place and they can't wait to just get out safely as safely as possible and so why do they do all these crazy things people all the time and much much worse things because at that time they believe in their thought okay all right we actually have clarified that an amazing principle the more people believe in their thought. Okay. All right. We actually have clarified an amazing principle. The more people believe in their thoughts, the more they get themselves into trouble.

The more instead we clearly identify and see thoughts for what they really are, i.e. transitory, temporary mental impulses, period, nothing else, the better we feel, the more centered we are, and the more we are in a place, in a position capable of taking things, challenges, difficulties in stride. Yeah, most definitely. So let me ask you this. What would be one piece of advice you would give to someone who feels stuck in their current situation and struggling to move forward? To become honest, to get honest with themselves, really honest, honest, dirt honest with themselves and saying, hey, first of all, take stock and be responsible.

Why are you finding yourself in this rut, in this hole, in this stocky situation? Why are you stuck in the first place? I mean, it didn't just happen. Oh, my gosh. It happened like the rain or the sunshine. It doesn't happen like that. You know, there's there are there are things leading up to that state, the more we embrace lovingly, caringly, responsibly, all all of that, the more we are in a position now to, wow, now take things, take life, take control of your life, of your situation, and start making new decisions,

new choices, and moving in a new direction, and start experiencing a new reality, new perceptions. And then, of course, it starts with asking yourself, what do you really want? What's most valuable in your life? If this were your last day on earth, what would you be doing? How would you spend it? You wouldn't actually, you know, you know, get upset over silly things and just waste it. No, you would actually, you know, do, you know, all the most loving things you can think

of. Yeah. Sometimes mortality brings us to realize that some things, your problems, sometimes you're just way overblown and just a hill of beans. What are some exercises in your books that you've included? Do you have a favorite one and its benefits that happen? Yeah, Chris, yes, good question. Yes, I have several, many exercises.

I think some very powerful ones are the ones that help you change your belief systems. But the one that I find most characteristic, or it's one of my favorite, because I also provided, I've done it myself, and you know, it's writing your own personal manifesto, your internal commitment statement, a personal manifesto your internal commitment statement a personal manifesto do i have to go to like montana and get me a cabin in the woods to do that do you need to go into a cabin in the woods to do that you know take it like a to a weekend i'm referencing the unabomber it's a unabomber joke that kind of dates me it's a good idea it would be a great idea to to go for it you know for a weekend in the woods

so that you know you're just you and yourself and and writing coming up with maybe 10 15 20 declarations more than declaration they're just statements that just remind you just to remind you who you really are who you think you are why you're here what's invaluable for you what are your priorities what do you value most? What are you most grateful for? And who is this person that you call yourself? Because, hey, it's not your body. We all know that. It's your brain, which part of your brain?

Definitely, definitely. Some people have their brains. So I don't know. It's on social media, Twitter. You know, ultimately,. Ultimately, the essence is even your worth. But that's not even an easy question. Also, we actually have to hallucinate a little bit and we go with our values because what else is there? Most definitely. So in your book, you talk about mentors and role models.

Why is it important to have a mentor? And do you want to talk about one mentor who significantly impacted your journey? Yes. course. And then, of course, at every stage of our life, we give answers that are different to the same questions. For example, had I answered, had you asked me, had you asked me that question 20 years ago, at the beginning of my career, I would have said, oh, a coach allows you, a mentor allows you to actually to have the clarity and it gives you tools and strategies I know not today not at all and anyway you know what I what is very actually very valuable yes it gives you clarity

because he asks you they ask you questions usually a good coach because then you know there are different a mentor is quite different to a coach a mentor is taking you under their wing and and mentoring you and and and sharing everything they learned passing along all the wealth of knowledge that they've accumulated in their lifetime. That's like mentoring. Coaching is not giving any solutions. It's not giving any answers. It's not providing any resources, but it's just putting you in a state where you find in a context create to create an insight

friendly space a space an environment very conducive to you having your own realization your own insights and coming up with your own answers and solutions so that's coaching but you know what i what i what i what i actually you know the reason why i say yes right now today i'm answering this way the reason why it's been very valuable it's because it allows you to see that we are all very human. Yeah. So you actually, you know, you navigate life with more kindness, gentleness, and ease, much more ease. That's it.

Ah, much more ease. That's definitely good. Definitely good to have so what do you hope as we go off people come away with with the book what do you hope they learn what do you hope inspires them etc etc with the book i would like for them to to to to number one have their own have their own insights because that's what that's how the book is is is is is geared up to be to really inspire inspire the reader to have their own insights and ultimately if i were to to say okay what would be my preference that they get i would actually love for them

to be more of themselves to fall in love with themselves to treasure themselves to deeply honor themselves respect themselves truly truly love themselves somebody might think yeah that sounds very selfish not in that way not at all because I believe and correct me if you you know if you don't think so you know if you know if you have a different idea that I'd be interested I believe that the more we feel good about ourselves the more we express this goodness to others the better we treat others the more we extend our love and gentleness and kindness to others as well. And in fact, so much so that that's the primary reason for taking, maybe, I don't know if it's the right, both ways are both important,

for taking so much, so much, so much care, so much care of ourselves for taking care of ourselves so much is because we can really then love others as so much as well. So it works both ways. But I think, you know, the focus is taking care of others by taking care of ourselves. And I don't think that we can really do that if we don't take of ourselves first like it's written in the good book love thy neighbor like thyself you know in in an airplane in case of emergency they say put your mask put the mask on your mouth first otherwise you wouldn't we we cannot if we don't love ourselves how on earth can we love others so i think that okay back to your question is is is yes i would love for them to fall in love

with themselves be fully themselves who they really are and and just and and and the process that they will go through the book, between the lines and in the lines, is just many different ways of loving ourselves, appreciating ourselves, respecting ourselves. Anyway, that was my question. Do you agree that if we want to love others more, a good place to start is by loving ourselves more? Definitely. Because you can't share something that you don't have and so if you aren't happy inside if you don't love yourself

it it it will affect your interpersonal relationships with everyone else and it will be reflective of the results you get so you've got to be able to make yourself happy first. I mean, you gave some great examples of the plane, you know, put your oxygen mask first on. But, you know, there's a lot of people that go through the world and they've got a lot of great advice for everyone else, but they don't take self-accountability to their own selves. And, you know, if you're miserable, if you're unhappy as a person, it's going to affect your results and it's going to affect the people you integrate with and all that good stuff. So this has been really insightful, Matt. Give us your final thoughts as we go out for people to pick up the book, to talk to us, pitch out a little bit about what offers you have on your website, courses, all that sort of good stuff and how people can reach out to you to do business with you, to have you coach them and help them through their issues yes anyway

that was uh there was a nice note what you were sharing uh and maybe you know of course we just want to do it you know just listening to ourselves listening to our wisdom to our inner guidance our intuition anything that i shared and we talked about in this podcast should not be taken as a tactic please don't because if if that's the message then i didn't convey the message effectively enough so we just it's it's natural again like babies are loving and they want to share the love they don't do it as a tactic let's model newborn babies not when they're teenagers and not even when they're four or five no no when they're like newborn babies really that's real real pure love pure magic anyway my website is Matt traversal calm and the spelling is M a TT and the last name is traversal t r a v e r s o so it's one

word with three T's calm and I actually speak other languages so i'm not gonna talk about my upcoming which is going to start very soon my coming coaching certification program because that is in italian i also speak french but this one is for the Italian for those who speak Italian. Sure, it's come diventare coach.com. But if you actually speak English, then if you go to Metroverse.com, that's not that's in Italian, whereas yes, but you know, on my website, I provide coaching services, one toto-one coaching programs that they can actually, you know, find information about. Also find information about the book.

And currently we have it in paperback, hard i i tracked i tracked him down this great narrator with a very good american accent his name is charles constant so he just finished he finished narrating it and it's available on audible.com and amazon.com it's been wonderful to have you on the show, Matt. We've learned a lot and inspired people a lot. They should go pick up your book, Where Refined Books Are Sold. So thank you very much, Matt. We appreciate it.

Likewise. It was very enjoyable. Thanks very much, Chris. Thank you, sir. And to our audience, pick up the book, Where Refined Books Are Sold. It is entitled, Unlock Your Potential, Own Your Power, Master Your Emotions, and Live Your Best Life Today. entitled unlock your potential own your power master your emotions and live your best life today i mean unless you really don't want to live your best life today you're like i want to live my worst life today so i'm not going to buy that book but if you want to live your best life today

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