The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Unlocking the Power of Present: The Art of Now with Steve Thomas

Episode Date: September 18, 2025

Unlocking the Power of Present: The Art of Now with Steve Thomas Creativepostures.com About the Guest(s): Steve Thomas is an innovative thinker embarking on a midlife awakening through creativity and unconventional experiences. A native New Yorker, Steve has a rich background in finance, having climbed the ranks on Wall Street. He is also a burgeoning writer and artist, currently exploring profound life philosophies through personal writing and engaging in creative projects. Steve shares his insights and journey through his websites, moronsmemoir.com and creativepostures.com, where he encourages others to seek unique perspectives and embrace creativity in their lives. Episode Summary: In this stimulating episode of The Chris Voss Show, host Chris Voss delves into the world of creativity, personal growth, and unconventional wisdom with guest Steve Thomas. Steve shares his transformative journey, which was spurred by a significant midlife realization that drove him to pursue a more creatively fulfilling path. Throughout the conversation, Steve emphasizes the importance of living in the present moment, experimenting with life, and the transformative power of creativity. Chris and Steve engage in a compelling discussion on the value of storytelling, self-discovery, and overcoming societal pressures. Steve's philosophy of embracing one's inner "moron" as a means to cultivate humility and openness forms a central theme. He touches upon his unique practice of writing a thousand words daily and illustrates how this discipline fuels his creativity and personal development. Steve also highlights the enriching nature of improvisation, both in sales and life, and how creativity serves as an essential outlet for personal expression and growth. Key Takeaways: Embrace creativity as a fundamental aspect of personal growth and transformation. The practice of storytelling and sharing personal experiences aids in healing and connection with others. Living in the present moment enhances self-awareness and reduces anxiety about the past and future. Creativity is not about profit; it's about authentic expression and personal fulfillment. A disciplined daily writing practice can boost creativity and serve as a form of meditation. Notable Quotes: "Jumping straight out of an airplane with no parachute and trusting in something is the way to go." "The only time is now… What are you doing with it?" "If you create art with the thought to sell, it's not art anymore." "Freedom is doing what you want to do when you want to do it." "We can only live poetry and you have to be connected to that poetry for it to happen." Resources: MoronsMemoir.com CreativePostures.com Social Media Handles: Available on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, X, and LinkedIn YouTube Channel: "Sitting with Steve" and "Moron Etal"

You wanted the best... You've got the best podcast. The hottest podcast in the world. The Chris Voss Show, the preeminent podcast with guests so smart you may experience serious brain bleed. The CEOs, authors, thought leaders, visionaries, and motivators. Get ready, get ready. Strap yourself in. Keep your hands, arms, and legs inside the vehicle at all times.

Because you're about to go on a moment. Monster Education Roller Coaster with your brain. Now, here's your host, Chris Voss. I'm Oaks Voss here from thecris Foss Show.com. Ladies and gentlemen on the way, thanks for coming on the air. With us, folks, we certainly appreciate having you guys for 16 years, 2,500 episodes of bringing the Chris Foss show of all the most amazing minds, the most amazing opinions, and the most amazing guests who bring you their stories,

their cathartic moments of life, their journeys, their lessons of life. with you so you can make your life better and of course survive maybe some of the same pitfalls that we all seem to fall into in life and no you're not alone and know that there's a blueprint out there to survive just about anything except for you know if a piano drops in your head

that might be different but don't do that folks I highly recommend it it's in the fine print of the show anything guys go to good reason Comfortius Christos LinkedIn that comforge that's Chris Foss is that in the fine print of the show and Facebook.com. That's Chris Foss. Opinions expressed by guests on the podcast are solely their own

and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the host or the Chris Foss show. Some guests of the show may be advertising on the podcast, but it is not an endorsement or review of any kind. It's a very amazing young gentleman. We're on the show. We're going to be talking to Steve Thomas. We're going to end to it with him.

Welcome the show, Steve. How are you? Mr. Voss, Chris. What do you prefer to go by? Chris is fine. Chris. really nice to meet you really great to be here thank you to meet you as well and thanks for being here uh give us like i don't know if you have a title you want to give us or give us a dot com where

people can find you on the interwebs you can find me on morons memo dot com and also creative postures dot com two different websites both in need of plenty of work so thank you so do you want to give us a 30,000 overview of who you are and what you do i didn't have a bio so i'll let you You do the intro. Oh, right, then. Basically, I am your garden variety, 40-year-old plus, who is having a midlife awakening and decides to do it in a very creative and death-defying fashion. And I live to tell the tale.

And I believe that jumping straight out of a airplane with no parachute and trusting in something is the way to go. And I got one version of that. Jumping out of parachute is, you know, well, that's kind of how we go through life, right? We were talking a little bit that in the pre-show. How we go through your life is kind of that way. What do you think about that? I think the only time is now. The only time is now.

It's, you know, you think about yesterday, you think about tomorrow. It's just figment of your imagination. But now it really exists. And what are you doing with it? it's a joke or it could be make you laugh or make you cry and I think some people call this being present you know I found this through Eckhart told a lot of years ago was there a point that you reach where you made this discovery

was there an aha moment where you're like hey you know what I should quit worrying about the past and the future and take care now uh well I've had a few of those experiences some of them trauma induced and some of them plant medicine induced. But either way, getting present and being in the moment, when it happens and you know you're in the flow, it's a good place to be.

When were you aware that you're utilizing the strategy and policy in your life? I think for me, I'm still like a lot of people are coming on. wherever they are, it's like this final project. I am very not a final project. I'm just like an in development kind of thing. Yeah. So as I'm learning more, whether it's physics based or magical based, which I have yet to figure out if those aren't the same thing anyway. Probably. Yeah, right? And as I continue, I start to see these similarities between things. And then I tried things on. I wear a lot of different hats, people that have watched me. And I think that's part of

life, is just trying on the different hats and not taking any of them too seriously, but, you know, loving them just the same. Yeah. I mean, you bring up a good point. The, you know, I think we all kind of sometimes with age reach a clarity point where we go, oh, and kind of what helps is you can look behind you and you can see this trail of trauma or issues or problems or mistakes behind you and there's kind of a consistent pattern in the in the detritus where you're like yeah maybe it's me and uh you kind of go maybe i should talk to a therapist or maybe i should you know read a book or try and figure something out and you know you kind of start seeing the patterns but you know like you say we were talking pre-show about about this thing you have about walking backwards do you want

to tell us about that and how that works and staying present for you yeah i mean you know in order to become present we need some neuroplasticity like we need to be in the moment the brain's got to be kind of working for us that's why traveling is called a trip and why we get a lot out of traveling because you're very neuroplastic when that's happening. I started a practice of walking backwards, physically walking backwards, based on many people have heard of him, knees over toes guide, saying it was good for your back, good for your knees. So I started doing it outside, you know, and walking backwards. And I did this for a while and to the point where I noticed it wasn't just the physical act of

walking backwards, but the mental aspect of seeing the world via walking backwards, trusting that you're not going to fall backwards while you move, and knowing that you, this is how we live life. We don't see what comes next. We have to live looking back at our past and making those past decisions help us make the forward decisions. And as that kind of like really just sank in with me from just a walking backwards practice, I started doing that in different aspects of my life,

and I often ask, if someone says, like, oh, why'd you write that poem? Why are you making that song? I'm thinking of, like, what is the craziest thing I could do? Because I'm just going backwards. And I was about to tell you the big pro tip for your audience. If they take anything from this episode, it's this. This is where Walking Backwood works.

You go into Costco. Next time you go, you go backwards. Start at the end of the store. get the stuff right what do you need there you got the paper towels you got all that stuff that you actually need fills up your car you keep going backwards all everyone's going the other way you're sneaking around them you go around by the time you're finished you're going to spend $300 less and you're going to be at register one or two where there's no freaking lines you just walk backwards through Costco say $300 you're welcome like I'm just saying you're

welcome hi and then of course people think you're crazy so they get out of your way it's easier to grab stuff off the shelves right I don't mind. I'm from New York City. You know, if they don't think you're crazy, you're crazy. That's true, yeah, probably, yeah. That's what my mom used to tell me when I was a kid. Anyway, the...

Now, you've written some books. Tell us about some of the things you've done in your life. What has been your life's journey? It sounds like you've worn some hats and tried on some hats. Tell us about your life's journey. How did you grow up? What were some of your influences, et cetera, et cetera? I'm a born-and-raised New York City.

kid, Brooklyn, Staten Island, lived in Queens of the Manhattan. The only borough I haven't lived in is the Bronx, which unless you're from the Bronx. There's no reason to live there. Hey, shout out to my BX folk. Where did you grow up, Chris? I grew up in SoCal, to the California. All right. On the other side of the world, they're from New York, New York.

Yeah. New York? You want to give me your best New York impression. I don't have, I don't think I have one. New York, New York? I don't know. I don't know. I don't. I hear you.

Well, funny story is that when I was trying to get going in the business, I work on Wall Street, I had tried to become a salesperson. This is after 10 years of climbing through the shit pipe. I'm trying to become a salesperson. And my managers at the time said, we can't put you on the phone with clients because you sound like Joey bad to donuts. And I was like, I like donuts. If somebody showed up to my house with donuts, I'd let them in, right? Especially a bag. I mean, when you have a bag, a whole bag of donuts.

A whole bag of donuts. And I had not heard that term before, but, you know, modern-day millennials might say it's derogatory. To me, it wasn't. It was fine. They said, truthfully, we don't like the way you sound, your accent and whatnot. Go to try to get diction classes. Diction classes, wow. Diction classes and go to this thing called Toastmasters.

So I looked up Diction classes. They cost about 50 grand a year. And when you're making 42 grand, that doesn't really equate too much. So Diction was out. I went to Toastmasters, which is, you know, it's like the AA for people who are afraid of speaking, right? You know, everybody gets a chance. They go around. It's fantastic.

They called on me to do a random speech. I did the speech. They came home to me afterwards. They're like, why are you here? This is for people that are trying to get. I'm like, I'm here because my boss has told me to come here. And they said, do me a favor. Other people need it more than you.

And I was like, I got you, whatever. Wow. So I got kicked out of those minutes. So instead, I actually signed up and went to improv at the Upright Citizens Brigade in Manhattan, like Amy Poehler or the S&L. A lot of people that are in commercials or trying to get on TV shows are there. And I wound up doing a few levels of, of improv, which I felt great about.

Anybody who wants to be in sales should definitely take improv. It just helps you communication skills 100%. Anybody should take it. It's just great. And then I went back to my bosses and said, hey, I took improv. Yes, and they were like, that's not what we asked you to do. Oh, wow. So it didn't work that well.

But as I tell my story, I kind of said, well, sometimes in life you got to stand up and say, take me or leave me, because this is just the way it's going to be. And I, as I had to do a couple times, I was like, you either move me up or move me out. And they moved me up at that point. I was gifted with the ability to take a phone and make phone calls. I wasn't given any accounts, nothing like that. I was gifted with this phone and this huge ability to pick it up and call people. And so I did.

And, you know, less than anybody, they might not want to give you the phone. And then when you get the phone, you probably don't know what to do with it, just keep calling. Just keep dialing. There you go. Plus, you sell well if you sell, like, you know, enjoy bananas or whatever. Donuts. Yeah, join donuts. The donut smell would wafer over the phone.

They'd be like, who would smell those donuts? Yeah. The, you know, I mean, sales is an interesting thing. And, you know, one thing I learned a long time ago, I was a kid when I discovered this is I realized that, you know, back then you had the Sears catalog, the J.C. Penny. catalog and i won't describe what happened with that thing but uh i realized that life was a giant catalog where you could choose you know gen z's like what's a catalog the uh i'm like confusing the gen z list the show we love them and uh and so uh i realized that you could choose things in life i'm like wow i don't have to i realize that society who's pushing a narrative on me of how

i should be as a person or a man but i really and you know like careers because i everyone hustle you when you're a kid. They're like, oh, you're going to be or you grow up? I don't know. Um, your mom's boyfriend. Uh, that should have been the, should have been what I should have said. But, uh, you, you just didn't know. And so you're kind of like, I don't know, uh, you say all sorts of stupid shit just to placate people. But I realized that life was a, uh, thing. And then I realized that I had a choice of what I could choose to do. And that was empowering in a lot of ways. Because a lot of people, they don't wake up until 40 or 50 in a midlife crisis and realize they've been living in someone else's dream. What are your thoughts on that?

And how old were you when you figured that out? Where were you? I was probably with my pants down in front of the J.C. Penny can't along. So you knew what you wanted to do at 14 years old? No, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You were asking me a question of what did I find what I want to do? I know what you found in the magazine.

I had some magazines You had those deliver too Those big things you could use To settle the table You could hit You could hit somebody with those things And kill them That in the phone book

But The yellow pages But I accidentally started my first company 18 It wasn't And I wasn't sitting around like today Where you're like I'm an entrepreneur I just did it

And I was out of desperation Because I got fire For McDonald's with long hair and and so I You got fired for having long hair or just Yeah, fired for having long hair for McDonald's. I, I, I, we moved up to Utah where there's a cult here and they're all religious.

Oh, yeah, yeah, look at that cult. And the and they. Don't come after me, Mormons. Yeah. I'm in New York. I don't think we have to wear it. Yeah, you'll be fine. They, they'd have to pack up the 10 kids and five wives and head out.

out there to get you. You can just send the five watch. I don't think they can, yeah, you don't want that. Don't send the five watch. Yeah. I know. But, no, I think, so I, you know, I got the, I got starting your own entrepreneur business. And, you know, once you get that drug, you just, you know, the freedom and be able to do what you want and stuff.

I never let go. But, yeah, I just kind of tripped into it. And so I've been broken ever since. Good. best way to be right yeah i mean it's kind of nice to write your own checks and stuff do you want to plug your book i know you have a youtube channel as well i want to make sure we get some plugs in here for you do you want to plug some of the things you're doing over there i'd like to plug but i'd also like to ask you a question if that's okay am i right yeah you talk to a lot more people than me and you're

you're obviously seeing people that are going through their journey right so you're you're you're a a watering hole on the road to people's self-awakening journey, right? Like, that's kind of with the change, I think especially over the last 20, 30 years, the change of Americans' relationship with, like, religion and kind of spirituality, where are you seeing commonalities there? Where are you seeing us coalesce? Because I feel like there's a big energy shift going on. I feel like there's definitely consciousness changes going on.

You're talking to people that are in process mostly, even if they don't know it or they, like, so from your perspective, what are you seeing? What are you picking up on? I think a lot of people are learning to tell their stories and that sharing them are important and that by doing so, they help other people realize that they are not alone. The show is really a collection of story collectors, I'm Agree Up by trade, and I love stories. love people's journeys. I love this into people there. I'm sick of all mine. I had to live mine, so I'm over it. But I love hearing other people's stories. And so a lot of people addressing,

I think a lot of people addressing their traumas. They're addressing their childhood issues that maybe they weren't, you know, they weren't fully aware of. And, you know, because we're all children at some point or some people still are. But yeah, it seems like a lot of people are kind of at the point where they're telling their story and that's probably part of their healing. As you say, They're kind of in that, you know, they're kind of that new self-discovery of who they are. And so a lot of people like that. And they're kind of finding their purpose and their voice in life of what they like to talk about and what they like to help other people like. So I'm seeing a lot of that.

You wouldn't find it on Twitter social media, but the great people who come on the show usually have those stories. That's amazing. Yeah. And I've thought a lot about that as I, you know, I like to say that everybody, you know, Nobody's special, but everybody's unique. So it kind of keeps me grounded and also kind of out there at the same time. And one of the things that I've been working on just to give you a sneak peek of, you know, it's, again, everything's not always fully baked. But I believe, so I was a suppressed creative for, I don't know, 35, 30, 40 years, basically.

I was always a writer, but I got into finance. I got into these places where you're not writing. You're not creating. it was just it's about making money that's all it is and then when I kind of quit my job lost my job got fired whatever you get read it in the story

I had I found myself and this was a moment of faith where like you could call it energy God whatever you want said boom write a fucking book and that's why I wrote the book because something said fume write the fucking book and I wrote the book and I wrote it quick in a week and then edited the shit out of it

whatever but within the writing opened up the gate of the practice of writing. So I believe thoroughly that it does not matter what you write, but that every person we are connected to writing

as a form of expression deeply and generationally, like thousands of years. And I have adopted a process called a thousand words and I write a thousand words every day. Do me?

Every single day. And if I missed one, I treat it. I hold myself accountable. And then I do 2,000. So if I go on vacation, I'm not around, then I got to come back and do 7,000 words. So I am going to be guaranteed to be writing 360K in a year. Wow.

And when did you start that? I started in like February, this February. Yeah. Do you write in the morning or night or just whenever you get time during the day? Well, it's funny. I came up during this process. I found out that I'm time polar. I'm not bipolar.

I am time polar. tell us what that is AM Steve is like AM Steve's like a fucking wizard Like he knows shit that like He's not supposed to know He's on the in the Himalayas He knows stuff

PM Steve is like Andrew Dice Clay's brother Right They're like Little boy You have a little bit of Andrew Dice Clay I was going to ring that up earlier I love that dude

Three blind I see how they run Where the fuck are they going I love him I first saw him on his first appearance on Roddy Dangerfield Wow That's like 86, 86, 85 Him and Sam

I'm still I'm under the influence of surgery drugs Him and Sam I forget his name But you know he was killed in that car Sam Kinnison Sam Kinnison Oh man that's a show

God Oh there was I mean, it was all the greats there. It was that one guy who ended up with a home remodeling or home show. Tim Allen. I mean, it was like a who's who, a future. And he was just showcasing them as up-and-coming talent. It was just extraordinary.

And I just love watching Dyes, man. Just seeing him piss people off. And, of course, you know, come with such great comedy. It was great. I recently rewatched. I recently saw that exact show that you're talking about. Yeah. He could not perform that act today.

I don't know if you've seen him. I've seen him. He goes around on TikTok and he goes up to people and tells him that he won't autographs stuff. It's kind of funny. Sometimes he goes to famous people. He's like, no, sorry, I'm not doing autographs today. And like, who are you? Because he looks kind of different in his old age.

I love that Dice is still himself and nobody knows who he is. It's like one of my favorite things. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny shit, man. That's why when you say, like, what do you want to promote? It's like, what I'm promoting is people being regular people and just helping people because it's the right thing to do. Regular people. Regular people.

Regular morons. We're all freaking morons. When you start as, this is the whole thing. When you start as a moron, you can then admit that you don't know everything, look someone in the eye and grow together. If you come from some, that's the whole moron thing. If you come from your perch, it's like, I don't got time for that. So the people that are like uncomfortable by this, I know right away that it's like, okay, you're, you're, have some type of supremacy issues, like you got something going on. It's like, and it's fine.

That's fine to be. But I think that coming from humility, that I don't know things, please teach me. I'm open to hearing. I think that's just a better way to live. And that's the moron way. That's the morons unite. I, dude, you need to do a book with the title, The Moron Way. the morons way you need to do this i i'm you know you if you're pumping a thousand words a day

but i think you need to create a mantra i think you're creating a movement because you're right as soon as we kind of get off our soapboxes and our high horses and our attitudes and our narcissism and we meet each other as human beings and talk to each other like you know is that what the show does uh maybe we should change the byline on the chris fox the chris fox the chris show where human beings actually talk to each other for a change then we'll do another show where people just look in the phones the whole time and just murmur to each other

that's a whole different show so what are some other Steveisms as it were I mean there are a lot of them you point them in a direction you're likely to get a Steveism see that would be your byline

that could be like what we say morons. And then that's the title or something like that. And then a collection of steveisms. Yeah, sometimes I say Stevie ponders. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Make that your Twitter tag?

Yeah. But here's the thing, Chris. I got to tell you the truth. Like I love the idea that we can communicate in so many ways. I think it's really fantastic. I also fucking hate this. Like I hate the whole idea that I have to stay

connected. The poets out there know that you can only live poetry and you have to be connected to that poetry for it to happen. The moment it becomes, I got a post, I got a this, I got a that, I got to that, that's not poetry anymore, it's fucking horseshit. And I see it and like, I can start and go with it. And I'm just like, I was off social media for like eight years because I'm like, until I have something to sell them out. And now I had a book. I'm like, all right, I got something to sell. And I'm still like, this is a echo chamber wasteland. Like, so, yeah, have a handle, have of this.

Or have a talk. You want to talk with Steve? That's the show, sitting with Steve. Like, I want to have real talks or real people. You want to come on, we talk, you know, chop it up. I think this should be a podcast sitting with Steve, chopping it up, chopping up podcasts. They're probably, someone's probably got a chopping up podcast maybe already.

Probably nailed that title down. You know, all the good titles are gone, I think. including the Chris Fosch show. That's a great time. I got to tell you, the thing about creativity, which people should understand and is another thing I try to talk about is the reason, I mean, I think AI is the biggest threat to a lot of jobs, but it's basing its decisions on things that have happened and algorithms and da-da-da-da-da.

True creativity comes from a different place, and you're taking, and this is when people are like, oh, I manifest, they do this, write something down. You're manifesting words on a paper. Take it from where it doesn't exist, make it exist, and bring it in. That is what creativity is. It's what makes us different. And that is the medicine. The medicine is in the creativity.

So if I'm promoting anything, I'm promoting creativity because I live it, I breathe it. And I still sit there and I sling bonds for a living, bro. Come at me. Like, I do pretty well. But I'm incomplete unless I'm creating. So I'm just promoting that. you know what are your thoughts on being creative as an artist uh like recently i return to photography and i'm a very logic and reason sort of guy i'm very masculine

and very stoic you know the only time you can get me to cry is if my dog dies or i don't know the bad guy loses in the movie or something but uh they shoot they shoot out Pacino and godfather or something uh that'll get you every time you know robert de nero But, you know, I recently turned to photography, and I've been doing it not as a business, but as an art. I've been really enjoying the creative process as an outlet, as a meditation for all the other stuff I do. What are your thoughts on that? And should people have more of that sort of engagement to creativity and art in their life, maybe? I think I'm really happy for you that you found that.

I hope that that continues to fulfill you and sustain you and help you grow. as an artist and in the things that you know one of my first boss told me do what you got to do so that you can do what you want to do ah i love that and but a lot of people do what they have to do and they never even get to choose what they want to do freedom is doing what you want to do it that's all it is and that's true freedom if you have the freedom to choose photography i think that's amazing i'm working with uh i work with an artist his name is mr will Um, anybody who follows me, sees, I always have videos with them. This guy is a master artist.

I tell you he's a master. Most people don't believe me, but he's a master. And he's been working at the Staten Island Mall at a kiosk for 40 years. After being a world, a famous painter in China, famous painter in China. He started, he came to America because he became a teacher and he did not like teaching he said teaching is where you go to die that's not what a master is supposed to do i was born to paint so the only thing this guy does and draw and paint and create and he's been doing it for 60 years he's 69 he's doing it since he's eight years old 61 years this guy's all he does is

one job and he doesn't sell it well and he doesn't you know make a big deal of it but he is amazing and he says if you create art with the thought to sell it, it's not art anymore. Now it's something else. He goes, I don't think about what they sell for. I don't think about anything. And he's got all his paintings, and he's art for art's sake. This is what he, and he's, you cannot be thinking about turning a profit or anything and still call it art. And we're losing that in this like, what are you promoting thing?

You know, I'm not, I want you to know, I'm not coming at you. I know, I know. I know. I know what I mean. You know what I mean? Like I'm promoting like I'm just making shit and I got paint things on my wall that I'm working with this guy on and I think that is something it's a message that I think needs to get out there create art for art's sake yeah and you know I've felt that way too with the new thing I've gone into because people are like are you going to turn this into a business and I'm like no I think that would I think that would taint it for me I think I would ruin it for me I like kind of just being lazy fair and you know the thought of having a brand or, you know, someone on set who's paying and being like, well, I want not this way.

And I'm like, well, that looks stupid. I'm not doing that. And so I've been really enjoying it the past two months. It's giving me an outlet. And, you know, you're right. That's something I'm going to keep in mind. And I'm going to definitely remember for the show forever is, you know, if you're paying for it.

But yeah, I think, I think more we need to do that kind of self-care. Like, I just find it meditative to go, I'll go downtown and I really won't go with an agenda much. Sometimes I'll go down and I'll be like, okay, I'm going to put it on the shutter setting or the aperture setting and I'm just going to shoot all shutter stuff and I'm going to try and make some art. And then, you know, sometimes I go down with a certain lens and I'm like, I want to, you know, I'm just going to just going to force myself to use this lens, you know. And instead of a zoom, maybe a hard prime, you know, where you've got to, you're going to have to move around. And I have a lot of fun with it. I find a lot of cathartic sort of meditation.

I think more people need that in their lives. Maybe we need more art and creativity and release that way. Creative, my book was, I wrote at the end of the book that this was my creative catharsis. Once you start to feel that you're allowed to release some of these things through art art takes what's very hard and beyond words and puts it into like so what mr woo does what he's he's a painter right and people hear that word all the time painting painting painting and they forget that you can't have a painting without some paint

it's true it's true uh mr woo uh i'll have to take a look at his artwork and stuff the do you want to give a plug out to his website i will give a plug out to Mr. Wu at the Staten Island Mall at a kiosk in the middle right in the middle he's been there for 40 years he's got Instagram if you let's put it this way the easiest thing I can tell you is you follow me you'll see his stuff because I

am his number one fan I believe you know this guy deserves to be famous while he's still alive I really don't like what he believes like and you know what most of the artists believe. Like, I want to be the one to say, no, Mr. Wu, like,

they'll know about you, like, because you're that good. I think Steely Dan did a song for him on the Katie Light album. Are you with me, Dr. Wu? Are you? You know, silly Dan fans, I get that joke. Anyway, so as we go out, give us a roundabout on your thoughts. And final sort of pitch out you want people to maybe leave reminded of the show. I would just say, if you made it this far, you likely know me or you hate me,

or maybe you're trying to get to know me a little bit. And all I can say is I'm a regular person in the path, in the journey. We're all on the path journey. There is no better or worse journey. It's all about sharing as you go along. It's all about karma and doing the right thing. it's all about art for art's sake and if you're not afraid to be a moron then you will succeed and that's all i got for you and if you ever need help along the way i'm a real dude i'm connecting

to all the real people and um we'll find ways to help i still i still love to see this moron book the way of morons morons the way of morons morons or not Mormons the way of morons which i mean they're too very close, similar. And the way of, what else, what else we do? The Moron Club, the journey of Morans or something. Or maybe the Moran Bible, something like that. So. A lot of ways.

I mean, you're right. Let me fall back to that because I think that's really interesting what you do. And, you know, we have a lot of authors on the show and writers that want to be writers that listen to the show. When you find that you're writing those 1,000 words a day, I think it was, what do you usually right about. Is there an agenda that you keep, or is it just whatever's top of mind? So I started not knowing what to do. I've fallen into a few different containers, I would say, that I think I can use, that become, you know, structure for it. That is, I'm working on, I'm working on something I can release to the public. It's going to be called cosmic creativity,

and, you know, it will hopefully be a little bit prompt-based so that people can have an easier time understanding exactly the process that is in development as we go. Because just like, you know, I'm like Frankenstein, just practicing on myself here. That's what I got. Like Frankenstein, you know, you bring them some good points. We're all in development.

We're all hopefully evolving. I've seen some people that aren't. They're decalving, I'm pretty sure. But they're on Twitter. And that's a good call. It's a callback joke for the show. And we refuse to call it, whatever the Nazis are calling it this week. He sells those scammie cars or whatever they are.

So anyway, I watch them pile up in the parking lots over here. They're not selling. Anyway, so as we go out, Tell people your dot coms. Where can people find out more about you, learn more about you, see your YouTube channel, et cetera, et cetera. YouTube channel, sitting with Steve is one of them. The other one is Moron et al.

There's one there. You will find rap videos. Yes, I did a rap song. I also did a music video for Stad Island called Orange Boat. You'll find that there. You can find my website, www. moronsmemoir.com, as well as www.creative postures.com. If you're an artist needing a little mentorship,

reach out to us there. I'm all on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, X, LinkedIn. I'm really there. That's actually me. And find me there. And if not, see you when I see you. See you when I see you. And there'll be links on the Chris Faw Show page.

You can check out there as well. Well, thank you. It's been fun to have you on and insightful as well. We certainly appreciate it, man. Appreciate you. Thank you. Thank you. And thanks, John, us, for tuning in.

Go to Goodrease.com, Fortress, Christchrist, Christvost, LinkedIn.com, Fortezs Christfoss, Facebook.com, Fortesch, Chris Foss, and all those crazy places in the internet. Be good to each other. Stay safe. We'll see you guys next time. That should have some.