The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Unlocking the Warrior’s Path: Finding Purpose and Balance in Life with Kamran Loghman

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Starting point is 00:01:31 enlightened warriors, philosophy and discipline. He's been an advisor to numerous VIPs and has also advised some of the most recognized global brands. And for more than a decade, he worked closely with Apple senior executives on various global projects. And we're going to be talking to him about his new venture in his podcast, Rise of Giants. Welcome to the show, Cameron.

Starting point is 00:01:54 How are you? I'm doing wonderful, Chris. Good to be with you here today. Good to have you as well. Give us any dot coms. Where do you want people to get to know you better? Really simple. Rise of Giants with an S, riseofgiants.com.

Starting point is 00:02:06 There you go. So give us a 30,000 overview of what you do there. I think the best way to do that is just kind of go back in time and see why it was developed in the first place so people can better understand it. Since a young age, I was a very curious kid. Obviously you can see Eastern philosophy, business know, business, being consultant, you know, all of that. It shows you that I'm kind of a 360 degree type person. I like to dive into different things and study. So as I'm doing that, I as a young person, and I'm talking about, I was 11 years old, I started both on the

Starting point is 00:02:41 Japanese classical martial arts. And that was just my own interest. But then eventually became academic. I mean, I started researching around the world and I'm one of the leading experts in the migration of martial arts from South India in ancient time, all the way to Japan and China. But then, you know, I also was very much interested

Starting point is 00:02:59 in philosophy of life. So I went, not only got my degrees in Western philosophy and Eastern philosophy, but really yoga. I mean, when I say yoga and meditation, I don't mean things you see on YouTube. I mean, I really spent time in India with some of the greatest experts that were out there. You know, I deeply, I mean, 50 years I've been involved in martial arts and, you know, yoga and all this other thing. But why? Because I was always, since a young age, I was looking for kind of a manual in life, and everything I touched, you know, that I would have given my own son,

Starting point is 00:03:29 everything I touched, you know, was really great, no criticism, but it was not comprehensive. For example, yoga is great, you know, in terms of, you know, mind and body and health and everything else, you know, but, you know, it doesn't talk about relationships, which is a huge part of human life. It doesn't talk about prosperity, I mean, putting bread on the table. You know, there's just, we have so many, I mean, I don't have to preach this to people, people already know that there's so many different aspects to human life, it's complex. So, how do we put our hand towards something? And the more I looked into this thing, and this is just, I want the audience to kind of visualize this, this is not something that happened overnight, the more I'm looking into this thing. And this is just, I want I want the audience to kind of visualize this. This is not something that happened overnight. The more I'm looking into this thing over the decades and decades of study, research, practice, and I want to bring practice into it because I practiced it to the best of the best. You know, I came to the conclusion that there is a theme that going across culture around the globe, it happens to be that some countries have documented it more than others.

Starting point is 00:04:25 For example, India had kind of documented it more than others. They were really good in documentation. That this theme is the theme of the warrior. And when I say warrior, I'm not talking about the brutal, violent person. We're talking about the epic warrior. And when I say epic warrior, I'm not talking about Vikings. Imagine, for example, I don't want people to get stuck in this example, but the heroic examples of Hercules, who has to go on a journey and overcome a lot of challenges. This concept in mythology is called heroic journey. And this you find around the globe, and it's about a hero, it's all metaphors, symbolism, a hero that goes on a journey to find what he's looking for, the truth.

Starting point is 00:05:06 And in this way, he has to face challenges and obstacles and battles and overcome a lot of difficult things. And then as he just keeps going forward, eventually he comes to the end of his destination and he has to face all of his own evils. There's two battles. One is an external battle, which is the battle of life. You know, the things that are out there, adversaries, whatever, nature.

Starting point is 00:05:28 And there's an internal battle which is happening within the mind of the warrior. As he overcomes all of that, then eventually, again, this is a metaphor, this is a story across cultures, this person comes back to their village, now they're completely transformed and they become a catalyst for other people to also to uplift other people and do better for them. This is not a light subject. It impacted a lot of people. In fact, George Lucas built the entire Star Wars on the heroic journey being influenced by professor of mythology, Joseph Campbell. He had a lot of talks with Joseph Campbell regarding the development of the of the of his movies. So the metaphor is there. Let me just say one quick little thing as I'm going through is that the warrior, they call him the enlightened

Starting point is 00:06:09 warrior. That means their mind was enlightened. These people, ethical, they were, and I will explain a little more as we go forward, but these people were, the whole domain was not domain of men. I mean, you find throughout history, enlightened giants were female. And they were incredible. Then something else happens, and I want to again bring the people to. The more you study all the mythology, all the philosophies, all the things, I mean, from Japan to India to anywhere, all around the world,

Starting point is 00:06:38 whatever, north, whatever, every one of them are warriors. It doesn't make any sense. In fact, let me just bring something, something like yoga that everybody thinks is so passive, which it is. But the founder of yoga, Shiva himself in India was a warrior. Why? Because life is challenging and you need to build that concept of warrior. Now, take this to modern world. You know, when it comes to leadership, to management, take it back to business, you

Starting point is 00:07:03 know, getting off up on the, to management, take it back to business, you know, getting off up on the wrong side of the bed every morning. The warrior has done that. And you may say, what does that mean to my life? The way they explain is this. You can either take the heroic journey, which is battle tested by these people for thousands of years, millennium, not decades, or centuries, and then apply that roadmap so that you reduce thousands of years, millennium, not decades or centuries, and then apply that roadmap so that you reduce liability of mistakes or life be forced you. There's no choice into the journey of life and the chances of mistakes and this and that and the other go on.

Starting point is 00:07:37 So this is why I was looking for a comprehensive approach and the more I look at it, I see the warriors are talking about savings. Believe it or not, I mean, Some of the biggest bankers of all time were the Knights Templar. I mean, that's why they got killed by the King of France, because of their money. So the relationship is very important. Why? Because imagine a table, all right, with four legs. If one of the legs is missing, the table is going to fall off. So the way they look at it is that one leg is your mental fitness and physical fitness. They're not talking about health, fitness. The other leg is your prosperity, you know, you have to have money to put it on the table.

Starting point is 00:08:12 The other leg is your relationship. And the last one is your philosophy of life. When I say philosophy of life, they don't mean spirituality, they're not talking about God, and they're not against that, but they're talking about your purpose, your place, why do you get up in the morning? All right? So, these four have to be together. Now, you can be very prosperous, that means one leg is very strong on the table. That's not the goal. The goal is balance of the table.

Starting point is 00:08:37 You have to address all four of them. Let's take the example. You can be very rich, but have a very bad relationship. You're not doing good. You can have a great relationship and not have enough money. You're not doing very good. You know, so all these four legs have to work. So this is why when I mean by comprehensive approach to life.

Starting point is 00:08:57 So I sat down one day, I go into my professional business and academic, and I've been doing this researching all around the world, all of that. I said, you know what, I need to put this out there for people because, you know, obviously we cannot go to deep subjects here today, but just let me put this out there for people because at least we have a template. We have, we can start the conversation so that, and I've been a practitioner and researcher both, so people can come to it. And personally, and I'm going to stop here, let you jump in. Personally, I kind of felt an urge to do this, and I'm not doing it for money because I wanted to do gold money. And again, I've started so many businesses and sold businesses, I will do that. This is for really prosperity, is for my legacy, I want to put it out there.

Starting point is 00:09:46 And the reason I got really urged to do this, to push this forward, I see so many things out there that is very hard for people on YouTube or this or that or social media to decipher from reality versus the other. Six thousand different versions of yoga. I wanted to go to the authentic things and bring it to people and say, listen, this is what it really is all about. So look at it and make your own decision and decide what you want to do with it, and how a portion of this can help you. If you want to go deep into all of it, great, but if not, one part

Starting point is 00:10:19 of it may completely rejuvenate you and take you to a different part and a section of your life that you need to go forward and propel you in that way. Why isn't it, you know, you talk about many things there and you know, part of it, the hero's journey. I mean, that's something that men don't really talk about anymore because of a lot of reasons, but, and a lot of men are lost now. We're seeing that where they're not going to college, they're not starting families, they're having a hard time dating because of a lot of things. But part of what men go through is hero's journey. Women when they're born and when they hit 20, I mean, the world loves them. For men, we're not loved until we can get to a point where we can contribute something to society, where we can contribute and make a family, and we build ourselves into something.

Starting point is 00:11:08 I mean, that's why young men are sent off to the military is because, you know, sending them as fodder for war is about the only value they have. They don't have anything they can contribute to society. So they have to, you know, they spend the next 10 to 20, 30 years building themselves into something. Men's peak in their value, what they can contribute, their earnings and what they're valued for by women don't peak until about 50. And so having that hero's journey has been really important.

Starting point is 00:11:37 It used to be that a lot of young men went to see movies because they featured men on their hero's journey. James Bond, you name any major role figure, that's why men usually lead, plus women want them to lead in masculinity. They do a hero's journey and it's always been celebrated up until recently. I don't think the movies really celebrate the hero's journey of men as much anymore in their woke contents of stuff. I'm an independent voter, used to be a Democrat up until recently. It's a thing we don't talk about and get back

Starting point is 00:12:11 to. And a lot of men seem to have lost their purpose in life, their warrior sort of mentality. I don't know if you have any thoughts on that. 11 Yeah. I mean, I think it's, I have a lot of thoughts about it. I'll come back to men in a second, but let's even talk about kids. How much suicide do you see among kids? It's because of the fact that the values, which are called the code of warriors, which are the way I teach them at U.S. Naval Academy, is the codes of living are not there. Let me just mention why I'm saying this in response to your discussion. PTSD did not exist among samurais because

Starting point is 00:12:45 they had Bushido, the Koda warriors, they practiced Zen meditation. And again, now US military and also the English, they're looking into the meditation and mindfulness for this kind of purpose. But I think it's extremely important to realize that to become a warrior is not just about brute force, it's not about strength, it's not about dominance. It's about the, it's an intrinsic thing. Yes, you have to have a fit body, you have to have energy. In fact, one of the, we will discuss this, one of the gates, they call it, different from, I don't know, so many years ago or not, life will force us to face these things. Whether it's an illness, whether it's relationship, whether it's financial, whether it's a bad manager, whatever it is, you are going to have to be able to endure the problems and challenges of life. This is why throughout history, and this hasn't changed, becoming a leader is not

Starting point is 00:13:53 a certificate because you took a six-week course certificate in Ivy League school. Believe me, I've done this. I was in charge of executive education at a major business school. You become a leader because you're forged in the challenges of life. You know, we have that in our Western culture here, you know, the the cowboys, you know, you fall from the horse, you get back on the horse. And this is not unique to us. I mean, you have it in the among the Japanese warrior, Nana Korobi Aoki. You tie six times down, seven times up. So the philosophy of life has changed.

Starting point is 00:14:23 Okay. You can dress however you want to dress. You can do whatever you want to do. You can do whatever you want to do. You can do whatever you want to do. six times down, seven times up. So the philosophy of life has changed. Okay, you can dress however you want to dress. You can do whatever you want to do. That's not enough. But your inner spirit, you know, I'm not talking about spirituality, ghost or this, that your inner consciousness, your inner spirit has to be built and developed for the heroic journey to face things in life. And you have to do that. Whether you are married, as you said, you want to provide, or whether you're not and you don't have children, you want to provide for yourself, the heroic journey is unavoidable. You either

Starting point is 00:14:55 start it now or at the age of 65, 70, you start regretting, you know, and loss and regret is another space, believe it or not, in the heroic journey. How do you deal with that? So, I hope that answered your question. Yeah, most definitely. So how do people find their purpose? How does, especially a man who considers himself a warrior, find his purpose? Purpose, okay, it again has to fall within the categories of life that I mentioned, which is relationship purpose,

Starting point is 00:15:28 your fitness and health purpose, your mental fitness and physical fitness purpose, your prosperity purpose, and the philosophy of life purpose. All right? Each one of them. So, for example, on a relationship, it's black and white. Don't start making it esoteric. You have to take care of yourself, you have to take care of your wife, you have to take care of your children or partner, whatever it is. You have to be there for each other. That's the purpose, all right? You don't abandon people. That's the warrior. Doesn't matter what happens, you don't abandon. You know, you fall down the ancient time, the horse, which depends on you, that loves you, stands next to your body, even if you have been wounded in battle. So you don't give up. So that's the purpose, purpose very practical when it comes to financial you know your purpose is that you have to put the money is not

Starting point is 00:16:10 greed there's nothing wrong with money man you can make as much money as you want but don't get lost in the emotion of the money okay be always in control of it and as when you are there you're managing it again you're the warrior you did that your money is a tool you know you're managing it again, you're the warrior. Your money is a tool. You're not becoming the slave to the tool. Otherwise, it's called toolishness, you're losing it. So when it comes to, I think what you're getting at is the personal purpose. Each person has to, there is a part in yogic and philosophy and warriors and every culture, let me just take the Indian version of it because it's a cross culture. In India, for example, they call it vichara,

Starting point is 00:16:47 which is self-reflection. As you do that, which is by the way, it's become kind of a fancy word right now for business people to do self-reflection, which they don't. But a lot of our older generation, you know, really top people, even Albert Einstein used to go for walks with their colleagues, smoking a pipe.

Starting point is 00:17:04 Yes, it was unhealthy, but they would be talking and self-reflecting. We don't do this anymore. Self-reflection is one that shows you what drove you as a child, what were your interests as a child. There is always a part of you as a child that never changes. Okay, that's one driving force for purpose. Don't ignore that. The other one is your dreams. Of course, the dreams has to be, people say, follow your passion. It's not as simple as that in the warrior studies. They even talk about that.

Starting point is 00:17:31 Passions are important, but it has to be really supported by data. So is it practical? I mean, I'm not talking about from a financial point of view. Is it just a practical dream or are you just dreaming nonsense? So you put different components. So Chris, the way you find your purpose, and we're obviously not going to a session on finding a purpose today, that's not a workshop.

Starting point is 00:17:54 The way you find the purpose is different components have to be looked into, responded, answers found. And when you put all those things like a puzzle together, you find your purpose. And how do you know you'll find your purpose? You're going to get out of bed in the morning like a jackrabbit. I don't care how old you are, because you're on fire. Pete Slauson Find your purpose. It's very important in life. Excuse me. Tell us about your history. How did you grow up? What were some of your influences? All that good stuff. Olajandar Hussain I grew up in Iran when I was up to 11 years

Starting point is 00:18:29 old. I come from a very privileged family back there, but I left Iran at the age of 11. I went to Switzerland and I've never gone back since. And I grew up in Europe and then I came to the United States. I've been here for 45 years. And my whole, you know, obviously I was very influenced by my father. My father was, you know, a doctor, a professor, and very much an academician. But really my major influence were the great thinkers of the world since childhood. I started reading books. I mean, I'm not trying to exaggerate here, but the reality is that one day I sat down about 10 years ago and I counted, I read more than 7,000 books.

Starting point is 00:19:07 Wow. And, you know, I just since the age of 11. And you know, I was reading, I was reading Aristotle when I was 14. So I started reading all these things trying to figure out, I was an extremely curious person, trying to figure out what is really going on. So the great minds of the world and then the great minds of the world were not enough for me. I had to actually go meet them. So I went to India, I went to around the world, I traveled and tried to find out who are these great thinkers, who are these people. And of course, when I started working with Apple, I had to do massive research to be able to help

Starting point is 00:19:40 the senior executives back there, and also the academics. And so, there is not one thing that influenced me. It was just a whole, you know, just together aggregate of so many different things that when I look back after 60 something years, that, you know, made me think the way I'm thinking right now. Pete And you invented pepper spray? Yusuf Yes, that's kind of interesting thing too. Years ago, my wife and I were in France, I haven't mentioned this anywhere, but I'll tell you this today, exclusive for you, Chris.

Starting point is 00:20:09 I was in the street coming out of a bank and we went to a small luggage store and lo and behold, in this very little luggage store, somebody had followed my wife who had taken money out of the bank and attacked her with a knife, so I had to fight him. And that made me think about the fact that if I'm not there, how is she going to defend herself? Yeah. So I come to United States and I put all of my skills into practice, spending hours and hours at National Library of Medicine in Bethesda, Maryland.

Starting point is 00:20:40 And eventually I became an advisor and started working directly with FBI Academy in Quantico, Virginia. And the concept came from me actually from the samurai, which is called Matsubishi. It's powder they used to put inside a little box of pepper and they used to blow it at the opponent's face when they were in a really close encounter and they could not draw the sword. So I made that by bringing scientists, researchers, all of these together, and I was guiding everybody,

Starting point is 00:21:08 not from a business point of view, from the vision point of view. And we developed a very high level. Let's take, for example, how you take aspirin from a bark of a tree and you make it into aspirin the same way we took really the ingredients of chili peppers and made it into a process that is safe, effective

Starting point is 00:21:25 and sprayed. Now sprays are different things like mace and all that existed at that time in those early days. Pepper spray existed as a dog repellent, but they're very weak. They would freeze in cold weather, all sorts of things. So we made it into a reliable weapon grade product. I had all the patents and it was just through my effort and my company's effort that we wrote, I wrote all the manuals for law enforcement.

Starting point is 00:21:48 I trained at the initial time, 4,000 top trainers of law enforcement agencies across the country and became a standard issue for everybody. And our own little company became a pretty big company. I went to 47 different countries around the world and that's why you see pepper spray on everybody's hand and belt in police officers. And then of course the civilian market came out of that and people started using that. So that was just another chapter of my life in that way. So what made you finally, you mentioned you work with Apple executives. What did you do in your work with Apple?

Starting point is 00:22:19 I mean at least just a general overview I guess. I mean I brought the whole project which was called Create, Lead, Achieve, to them, which basically I brought the leadership, the creative thinking and strategy, innovation and all these different things to them based on the Warrior Program that I have today. People don't realize the strategy comes from Warriors. You know, believe it or not, the most creative approach to combat, to challenge and all that came from the warriors. You see that across China, Sun Tzu has been the art of war, many of them in his book, and there's so many great books

Starting point is 00:22:55 that many of them are not even translated. So I brought all of that to them and for, you know, many, many longer than decades, this became a standard issue for development of top executives back there. Wow. That's pretty darn cool. On your website, tell us some of the offerings that you offer people. What do you offer in terms of, I know we need to get a plugin for your podcasting and some

Starting point is 00:23:18 of the advising you do. Tell us about that. Let me just say a little about the process of the warrior, you know, the Giants, enlightened Giants, we call them the enlightened warriors. It's really the way they did it is that they went through not what steps and phases, but what they call gates. And these gates, the reason is gates because it's like you enter into another cave, to another environment.

Starting point is 00:23:42 And each one of these were another space, was another paradigm shift. I'm coming to your question in a second, because I need to preface it with this. So what they did is that they created a process in which a person takes the heroic journey going forward and through these 17 gates. It actually the first one started purpose and meaning. So you don't have that, you don't have any drive to do anything. Then it's about assumptions and beliefs.

Starting point is 00:24:09 Then they go deep into perception and consciousness. Consciousness has become a very interesting word. Everybody's using it, but guess what? The concept of chit-chakti or chit actually comes from the warriors from ancient time in the yogic tradition. So all the rishis were just the top warriors of the ancient time were yogis Who were the founders of yoga's and all of them actually introduced the concept of consciousness? In fact, the most profound study of consciousness is done by them and is you know

Starting point is 00:24:39 But but this but the doctrines and texts are not available to common people. They don't go after them and they start studying Then came the concept of self-protection, you know, you know, after self-protect, not just because you want to fight in the streets. They were not for fighting. They were not violent people. You never start a war. They were enlightened warriors. When I say samurai, for example, let me just profess this.

Starting point is 00:24:59 We're not talking about, and I want to be point blank English. I'm going to say it as it is. We're not talking about the drunken samurai violent who's just drinking sake all the time. We're talking about the enlightened samurais who really made massive changes. So when we talk about warriors, that's what we're talking about. So they started the whole concept of fitness of the body and mind, both agility mentally or physically, speed mentally or physically, endurance physically or physically, endurance physically or physically. So the whole concept of vitality was another gate. Then listen, something we all live

Starting point is 00:25:30 with, which is horrible. But how do you deal with, I brought PTSD before, how do you deal with stress? I'm not talking about shallow sitting down and breathing and just thinking about good pictures. How do you really deal with stress? You know, when you're in battle, war is happening. All right. How do you deal with anxiety? You know, how do you deal with fears? How do they deal with it? They have a process. They did that. Then believe it or not, they talk about self-sabotage, something that brings the greatest people down, which is addiction. How did they do it? And we're not talking about, you know, detoxing here. How do they deal with the concept of addiction and mental issues that is just like a glue, you get attached to

Starting point is 00:26:10 something and you can't let go and brings everybody down. You know, it doesn't have to be substance abuse. I mean, it could be bad habits, could be things that doesn't let you grow, doesn't let you to go in this journey. It's like they stay, they give examples in the method of mythologies at thorns is attached to your legs and you can't walk. No, all right. So how do you move that out? So it's all there. Yeah. Yeah. We all have to overcome difficult challenges. How do they do that? So that was another gate creative strategies. We talked about Apple. So how do they come up with strategies? Because you need strategy for prosperity. You need strategy in your relationship. You need strategy in life. How do they come up with that? Where they have 36 strategies where they really, really profound strategies. Prosperity, we talked about that before. What was the concept? We're not talking about how to, you know, invest in stock market. There is a generic format for prosperity, that they apply to everything. And one of the interesting

Starting point is 00:27:05 thing really that it starts with your mind. I'm not talking about manifestation and money and this, that, the other, you see really practically, how do you think about prosperity? What is your philosophy of it? What do you think about being lucky? Do you feel like you're undeserving? They work on you to make sure that you get to a point that you become a winner, you become an achiever. And of course, finally, it's the rise of giant leaders. So, you asked the question, let me go back to that. So, what I did is that I'm here trying now to put this entire 17 Gates on riseofgiants.com and on the Rise of Giant podcast so that people can get into it, can enjoy it, can learn from it.

Starting point is 00:27:46 And it's free of charge. We're not doing anything with that. We're just putting it out there for people to look into it and start the conversation, start the questions and all of that. And we're building each one of these gates really extensively as we're going forward to people, those who are interested in it, they can really deeply go into it and make it part of their life. So that's what I'm doing at this time, basically putting the podcast out, making the Rise of

Starting point is 00:28:08 Giants available, make myself available when people have questions and things like that and they can all reach me through the riseofgiants.com. So that's what I'm doing really in answer to your questions. Awesome, Saas. Excuse me. So give us the dot coms as we go out tell people how they can reach out to you How they can on board with you, etc, etc is rise of

Starting point is 00:28:31 Giants with an s.com again rise of Giants calm and you know, it would be great if you can go in there and sign up It's for free. There's no catch. There's no free trial. Nothing. It's just free Just go in there sign up and we don't use your email so that we can be in communication with you. So when new things comes up, you'll be the first one to know. So that's one of the things you could do. The other one is definitely check out the Rise of Giants podcast, it's on every platform.

Starting point is 00:28:54 And thanks to you, more people are gonna be able to hear about it, so that they can just immerse themselves. I truly believe that we are at the time, and I don't mean this politically or anything like that, because that's all people think about today. We are at the point in society and in civilization that we really need some of substance here, substance, not just for the soul, for the mind, body, soul, relationships, life, all of these things, prosperity, work, business. And I want to say this to you, Chris, and I'm saying this and I'm looking at everybody

Starting point is 00:29:29 out there. This is the most powerful transformation I have seen about reinventing life and work. And believe me, I have left no stone unturned. I've looked at everything. It's truly a powerful thing. It's been acid tested, it's been battle tested for ages. Yeah. Hundreds of years, thousands, eons of time, you could probably say.

Starting point is 00:29:51 So it's been wonderful to have you show insightful. More people need to get on their purpose and find their hero's journey, their warrior's journey. Men are struggling right now. They're not going to college. They're not starting families. And there's a lot that goes into that. It's not men's fault as much as you would think it would be. And they need to find their purpose again. They need to do their hero's journey.

Starting point is 00:30:08 They need to do some of the things that you're talking about. Too many of this generation has been raised in emotionalism and doesn't have the masculine mentality to do the hero's journey and find their purpose. And that's what a lot of men need right now. Anyway, thank you very much for coming to the show. We really appreciate it, Cameron. I thank you so much, Chris, for your time and it was a pleasure. Thank you and thanks for tuning in. Go to Goodreads.com, Forchess, Chris Voss, LinkedIn.com, Forchess, Chris Voss, Chris Voss 1, The Tick Tockity and all those crazy places, the internet. Be good to each other. Stay safe. We'll see you next time. And that should have a sound.

The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Unlocking the Warrior’s Path: Finding Purpose and Balance in Life with Kamran Loghman

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