The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Unraveling Procrastination: Insights from Chris Abdey on Overcoming Delays

Episode Date: October 6, 2024

Unraveling Procrastination: Insights from Chris Abdey on Overcoming Delays Procrastinationstation.ca About the Guest(s): Chris Abdey is a seasoned Procrastination Coach with over 20 years of experience in various industries. Chris is dedicated to helping individuals overcome procrastination and reach peak productivity. He is the mastermind behind transformative programs such as "Procrastination to Productivity" and "The Balance Blueprint: 8 Weeks to Life Harmony." Chris integrates practical strategies with mindset mastery, empowering clients to revamp their approach to time management, focus, and motivation. Episode Summary: Welcome to this enlightening episode of The Chris Voss Show, where Chris Voss delves into the realm of procrastination with a true expert, Chris Abdey. Discover the secrets of transforming productivity blocks into streamlined success with the help of tailored strategies and mindset adjustments. In this episode, listeners will gain insights into the varying types of procrastinators, learn practical tips for overcoming procrastination, and understand how emotional blocks play a crucial role in our attitudes toward productivity. In an engaging conversation, Chris Abdey breaks down the five types of procrastinators—Perfectionists, Warriors, Dreamers, Crisis Makers, and Defiers—and how each type approaches tasks differently. The discussion progresses to understanding the psychological barriers and "heart walls" that impede productivity. Chris Voss humorously reflects on personal anecdotes of procrastination, serving as a real-life demonstration of common pitfalls and potential for transformation. The pair further explore how creative minds often encounter unique procrastination challenges, waiting for moments of inspiration to act. Key Takeaways: There are five main archetypes of procrastinators: Perfectionists, Warriors, Dreamers, Crisis Makers, and Defiers. Each has distinct reasons and psychological patterns influencing their procrastination habits. Understanding what drives your procrastination is the first step in overcoming it. Procrastination is often a defense mechanism. Emotional barriers, sometimes called "heart walls," can significantly impede productivity by harboring subconscious fears or past traumas. Creative individuals often delay actions, waiting for moments of inspiration. This is a common subconscious process involving brain activity working in the background. Compassion towards oneself is essential when dealing with procrastination, acknowledging it as a product of one's environment and conditioning rather than laziness or incompetence. Notable Quotes: "Procrastination is not something inherently wrong with you… it's a signpost." "We're either moving out of a place of fear or a place of joy… most of us are operating at a place of fear 95% of the time." "You are doing the best you can with the information you have on hand at that specific time." "You can do whatever you want to do… But you have to believe that you are able to do it." "Procrastination is a big deal… If you just would just have done it, you would've been fine."

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That's right, ladies and gentlemen. Thechrisvossshow.com is coming at you live. Coming at you live, as Tesla would say. Welcome to the big show. My family and friends, as always, for 16 years and over 2,000 episodes, I've been screaming at you through the mic like I just did now. We have an amazing young man on the show. We're going to talk to him about how to, he's a procrastination coach.

So we're going to find out if he helps you procrastinate better or more, or if he helps you procrastinate less. So we'll get into that. I actually didn't ask him which it was, so we're going to find out. But anyway, in the meantime, for the show, your family, friends, and relatives, go to goodreads.com, 4chesschrisfuss, linkedin.com, 4chesschrisfuss, youtube.com, 4chesschrisfuss, chrisfuss1, the TikTok, and all those crazy places on the internet. So we're going to get into it with chris abdy he's a procrastination coach with over 20 years of experience

across various industries and a passion for helping others chris empowers individuals to break free from the cycle of procrastination and achieve peak productivity and as the creator of programs like procrastination to productivity here let me cut that as the creator of programs like procrastination to productivity. Here, let me cut that. As the creator of programs like procrastination to productivity and the balance blueprint, eight weeks to life harmony, Chris combines practical strategies with mindset mastery to help clients transform their approach to time management, focus, and motivation. We were thinking about just having him on next week because we wanted to procrastinate some, but we decided to have him on now. Welcome to the show, Chris.

How are you? Oh, yeah. Thank you. Thank you so much for having me on the show. Thanks for coming. Let's do this next week. No, I'm just kidding. So give us your dot coms.

When can people find you? Where can people find you on the interims? Yes. Just where, like, all my contact and all my special deets. Is that what you want there yeah yeah the dot coms socials wherever you want yeah i don't do social because uh it's a major distraction you know i got to kind of practice what i preach so i'm only on linkedin right now find chris abdine and i'm the only one on linkedin there so that's good and procrastinationstation.ca is the main website. And you can schedule a quick

chat with me there, or you can catch me on LinkedIn. The awesome sauce, LinkedIn is a great place to be. So are you a procrastination coach who helps people procrastinate more and better or less? That is an excellent question. And actually, it's a little bit of both. The first thing that we have to understand is that procrastination is not something inherently wrong with you. You're not broken. You're not lazy. It's just that it's a signpost, right? So I have worked with individuals who they don't necessarily want to get to their deeper issues because, you know, who has time for that? I don't really advise that, but, you know, they're in a crunch and they need to learn how to work with their procrastination. So that I can do as well.

You know, it doesn't matter if you're working with it or you want to sort of beat it. The process is kind of the same. The main thing is just knowing why you do it in the first place. Knowing why you do it in the first place is probably an important basis for, you know, understanding what you're doing. Why do we tend to, on average, I guess, because there's probably maybe some reasons, but why on average do we tend to procrastinate? You can take as long as you want to answer.

Oh, for sure, for sure. So there are five different kinds of procrast. Oh, for sure. For sure. So there are five different kinds of procrastinators, five different main archetypes. And there's actually way more, but the big five are what you're likely going to fall into. The first ones are the perfectionists. So the perfectionists need perfection, right? You know, it's fear of failure, fear of success, fear of not having anything left to do once you actually do succeed in that goal. And obviously perfection, nothing's ever perfect. So we just never release anything and never do anything.

The second one are the worriers. So we can all probably relate to this one a little bit. It's the what ifs, right? My wife tells me to mow the lawn. Okay, I'll get right on that. I go to the garage. Oh, wait, what if the lawnmower doesn't have any gas oh no it's got gas and they say oh wait wait you know what if it rains oh

you know it's okay it's nice and sunny outside oh wait what if my neighbor doesn't like the noise you know and so on and so we can make up so many what-if scenarios that we don't want to happen that we can just wind up not doing anything. The third category after the Warriors is my personal favorite. I fall into this category myself, and that's the Dreamers. And, you know, we like, we're visionary sometimes. We plan, we're entrepreneurs waiting to burst out. And, you know, we're worried about the details. So we can plan all day.

We got these big ideas we love planning ideas we either get stuck on not knowing where to start and so we get overwhelmed or we get like analysis paralysis you have too many choices or and again you don't you just don't know where to start or you just get bored you're bored with the details the idea is awesome but you know oh i gotta you know to do this i need to you know i want to paint my room perfect example i want to paint my room oh great you know i got all these designs laid out i'm gonna put some space up here i don't know some star wars i don't know whatever i like my little pony doesn't matter and then you start getting the details oh you mean i gotta wait a minute i gotta scrape the paint I gotta prime the paint I have to do that no man

that sounds boring I'm done I'm not doing it after that the dreamers you've got my personal favorite the crisis makers these are the people that I actually coached through procrastination you know you're asking if I coach people to procrastinate better. And those are the crisis. They work well under pressure. They're always, they get that burst of creativity. Maybe they love the adrenaline, but they're always doing things at the last minute. And, you know, it always boils down to either that sort of adrenaline rush, that creative rush, or it's just creating importance. So nothing's important to me until it's

right at the last minute and if it's not me i'm not gonna do it and so that that's the crisis maker in a in a you know in a nutshell and a lot of us did that too master procrastinator right here high school you know i was a crisis maker did two years worth of art projects in one weekend. Still got a better grade than the guy that worked his butt off for two years. I like how you're bragging about that. If that came out wrong, I'm not advocating that. I got way too lucky. So yeah, that's the crisis maker.

And then the last one, a lot of us have this as well. And actually a lot of parents listening might be interested in this one too is the the defier right we don't like being told what to do especially when we're younger so we have issues with autonomy you know we want to feel like we're in control it's actually the easiest kind of procrastination to conquer so i don't really deal with a lot of a lot of defiers i deal more with the parents of the parents of you know defiers but that's just normal i don't even consider that really procrastination but it it is and that's just really simple it's just tweaking one thing from have to to i get to or i choose to i choose to do this because i don't want the consequences of that people are interesting because they move on either one of two things fear fear of loss pure penalty or gain i suppose and i think my understanding is most

people only move over fear most of the time is that true so this is sort of an aside mini mini psych 101 course we're we're either moving and it's a way over simplification but just just you're absolutely right we're either moving at a place of fear or we're moving out of place of like passion or desire and the majority of us it's about 95 5 split so 95 of the time we're operating at a place of fear and five percent we're operating in a place of joy there are ways you can change that but that is those are our main motivators which is why i tend to work with people and we try to see if we can you know nudge the needle just a little bit to the upside let me ask you this they were i had seen something and of course it was on the internet so i don't know if it's true or not. Of course, I think I just discounted our own show.

We're true. We're real people. These are real people we have on the show, and I'm an AI bot, but the guests are real. So I was seeing this thing one time about how highly creative entrepreneur types, maybe ADHD, but like like ceos people are highly creative and you know adhd is known as the co disease um for all the right reasons i guess or maybe crazy and manic were highly successful many times and a lot of ceos have it adhd learning to ride the ride the tiger if you would this is a whole nother thing but i i heard was from i don't know some crap i was watching the internet i guess that creative people tend to not get started right

away so if you hand them a project let's say they're in a let's say they're an architect right and so some people they'll hand there's an they'll hand them the project, they'll go, here's what we want to build. And they start going at it. And they've got all pre-programmed and they're going to put that building together, whatever it is. And creative people look for inspiration. And so they tend to procrastinate because they're waiting for that inspirational fire or that moment that comes to them you know sometimes you're in your shower sometimes you're asleep in bed and all of a sudden ping there's that idea and you're like hey that's the way to solve it and i do that a lot in fact i

rely on it which also means you know i pay my bills once every five years no i'm just kidding don't do that folks don't procrastinate on your bills but you know it's basically they're they're giving leeway for that creative juice to kick in or what i like to call just bullshitting my way on why i'm procrastinating anyway what do you what are your thoughts on that it's it's not it's not you know it's not as we said bullshit because we do tend to do that and it's not that we're not working on it when when you're doing the creative process you have to understand that you know not a big percentage you know somewhere between 90 and 98 percent of what we're doing is all in the back of our head anyway so you could be you could be sitting there watching tv and you know you won't even know this but subconsciously you know you're

probably thinking about a dozen other things and you know you know, so that's why you get those flow moments in the shower is because you're in a state of mindfulness, which is actually one of the biggest things to help overcome procrastination. And when you're in a state of mindfulness and you sort of calm the front of your mind, that gives room for some of these ideas from the subconscious to sort of punch through. It's also why you have those waking thoughts at 3 a.m. like, you know, did I turn off the stove? Yeah. Do those things, right?

Yeah. That's pretty interesting. So you have to calm the front of the mind so the back of the mind can do stuff? That is correct. The back of the mind just does stuff on its own. It's the front of the mind that's not paying attention to the back of the mind just does stuff on its own it's the front of the mind that's not paying attention to the back of the mind oh you know i used to have this thing where i used to be able to i if i sat down and play piano and i'm not i'm not taught to play piano

i took some classes full disclosure i took classes when i was in eighth grade but i sucked at them and hated it but somewhere i fell in love with the piano in my in my 30s and i can sit down and improv tunes and and play and i don't i don't like playing anybody else's stuff i do the same thing a guitar i like writing my own stuff but i'm most adept at writing stuff and creating music when i'm blitzed to the wind in vodka. And so I would say to, and then I would also do a thing in my kitchen. I had this giant kitchen with living room, going in the living room, and I would sit there and maybe eat nachos or whatever. And I play guitar on a, on a big standup thing because it's hard to do on a couch.

And I would watch TV and I would get really creative in both those instances. And I asked my psychiatrist or a psychiatrist once at a time, how come I can play beautifully when I'm blitz to the wind and we're talking blitz to the wind on vodka. I'm gone, man. My head's resting on the, on a piano top part and I'm gone, but I can play that piano like nothing else. And I know where all my notes are. I can hit all my stuff that I reach out to find. Same thing with guitar. I would come up with all sorts of great licks watching TV.

And I usually wasn't that drunk on that, but the piano just flows. In fact, I wrote, I think, most of a CD one time in the studio I had set at my house. All fucking blitzed out of my fucking mind. And a lot of my fucking mind. And a lot of musicians do that, you know. Heroin, drugs, rock and roll, you know, that's all synonymous. In fact, I often joked after Metallica and St. Anger came out,

you know, they got off all the alcoholica that they were always on. I'm like, can we go back to the drugs and alcohol? Because this album fucking sucks. So what do you say to that? I mean, that's kind of an example of what you were saying where, and oh, the psychiatrists, what they would tell me is they would be, yeah, you're very left-brained and logical. And so what you're doing with the alcohol is you're suspending your left brain and you're giving your right brain the ability to run around and play.

And that's why that works. What do you think of that? Yes, that is fairly, that is fairly accurate, yeah. So what really happens in that area is as you're sitting there, and this happens to me too, when I get completely blasted, I won't speak English, I'll speak fluent Spanish. Oh, really? It just comes out.

Now, are you good at Spanish? Oh, yeah, let's see there's a there's a couple of components here for this because i've spoken in tongues on vodka but you know no one knows what i'm saying yeah but the so what what happened is i actually learned most of my spanish while i was drunk so i can only speak spanish when i'm drunk so there's a couple of different things that are happening when when you do this right i think the story of how you learned it while you're drunk is something we should maybe know about oh yeah i got i got no shame in that i was just kidding i was a i was a street person i i was always out in the street

this is how i learned because i spent 15 years in central america and the best way to learn is throwing yourself into immersion you can't see it now but i was actually kind of a bit of an introvert i needed alcohol to loosen me up and i wound up actually learning a bunch of stuff and just being completely drunk and then not being able to recall it i can recall i can recall all of it now and you know it's practicing stuff but in those early days i could only do it when i was drunk and it's true because you because you're getting rid of your inhibitions because one of the things we don't know is that the brain is awesome at recollecting things, music, whatever.

If you sit and you listen to a piece of music and you watch the fingers over the keys, you will retain that information. But, and this is one of the running theories, is that you can't play because you say you can't play oh it's as simple as that it's a it's as simple as that you can do whatever you want to do

but that's the key again it's whatever you want to do and for whatever reason and again this is where you know you could you can go to therapy for a ton of time and try to figure it out but normally it's a very deep root thing right but if you're saying that you can play piano and you know you only really do it when you're drunk it's because you know you're turning off that that logical part of your brain so now you are total and your subconscious is moving forward and it's giving the it's giving that sort of that creative boost right it's kind of like when people get again stoned or drunk or high or whatever it flows more because you've got your inhibitions gone which means you're not calculating every single word you're writing you're not calculating every note you're playing whereas you would be when you had that function on yeah that Yeah. That's interesting. That makes sense. It really does. So some of the

things you help your clients with are emotional blocks and heart walls and how they sabotage your productivity. What are heart walls? Actually, that's not my concept. I just want to be right up front that that's not my concept. I'm not stealing it. It was the first time I read about it. It was from Michael Singer. And also this, his name escapes me right now, Farzen. He's actually up in Toronto as well. He does a lot of work with that as well. The heart walls are kind of, they're what they describe as these incidents.

They may be traumatic, they may be not traumatic. But what happens is we build up these walls around our heart. It's very metaphoric. So if you, for example, almost drown when you're a kid, you're not going to want to go around watering. So you're not going to want to learn. So every time something comes up like that, you get more, you get guarded. You'll actually start to avoid, actively avoid anything to do with, you know, water sports or anything like that. And it's one example. It's not everybody's example, obviously, but if you get bitten by a dog, you will naturally not want to be around dogs and you'll have this emotional response to dogs. And you may even find yourself go to your way to, you know, not go to pet stores

or, you know, if a neighbor has a dog, you won't go by the neighbor's house or, you know, all these little things, but we don't even really notice them. And that's why we call them, you know, the emotional blocks are the heart walls because they're walls around the heart or the emotional center. And yes, I do work with people on that because sometimes what you think it is, isn't what you think it is. You know, somebody said that they had a fear of spiders, right? It doesn't, I'm like, okay, that's, that's not really what I do, but okay. So they, they were talking about how they wanted to actually start a reptile and spider, you know, those shows that go around that they wanted to do that. And they had tarantula.

So I want to be able to get, you know, I want to be able to get this tarantula up there. So he was procrastinating on starting that business because he said, I hate the tarantula. I can't deal with it. I can't deal with the tarantula. Okay, all right. Let's analyze. Why? Why is that?

Did something happen with that? And it turns out that when he was a kid, he fell into a spider's nest. He actually had one crawl into his mouth. He kind of had to understand that before he was a kid he fell into a spider's nest and he actually had one crawl into his mouth you know he kind of had to understand that before he could move forward and you know you work through that logically i mean the tarantula is not going to go in your mouth bro but but you know joking aside you know it was just as simple as that another case is you know when your fear being judged so if you were criticized by your parents a lot as a child you know you when your fear of being judged. So if you were criticized by your parents a lot as a child, you know, you have that sort of built up in you.

And so you're less likely to try and put yourself out there again. Right. So that's kind of what was meant by all these heart walls. And he also refers to them as like thorns. So you get a thorn in your arm. I love this metaphor by Michael Singer, the untethered soul. So he uses that metaphor, the thorn in your arm. I love this metaphor by Michael Singer, the untethered soul. So he uses that metaphor, the thorn in the arm. And rather than pull the thorn out, we just, you know, we bandage it up so that we don't bump it.

We, you know, maybe put a cast on our arm or, you know, maybe we eventually develop this device that holds our arm in the air so that it can't get hurt. It's really interesting. Yeah. Do you find that what was the question i had it just hit me and it was a great question that slipped out it's i'm still recovering from covid so wait wait i still have covid brain evidently do you find do you find that you know that was it so one of the things i found with with one of the reason things i found with procrastination is it will you know i'll put it

off and i'll put it off and it'll seem like it's so big it's so huge and you're just like oh my god it's gonna take hours to do blah blah blah you're just like oh my god dude it's gonna just it's just so momentous and then i i kind of have this rule about about attacking stuff that i procrastinate or stuff i need to do you know eat the elephant one bite at a time right yeah and so i finally when it you know push comes to shove and there's a gun to my head going you better get this done or else which is the only way i do things when the mob shows up and says either either you get the test done your blood will be on this contract it's like godfather reference people a lot of times i'll focus on it and it's something i thought was going to be like

two days of pain was like really just a focused hour and i'll get done and i'll go you're an idiot you've been procrastinating that for months putting it off it took an hour. And I think sometimes, like you aforementioned, it related to people don't evaluate, I guess, on anything. I mean, there's probably still a whole lot of people who think that purple aliens are real, right? And everyone knows they're green. People don't assess risk models very well, right? If they think, you know, what's probably likely to kill you, you know? There's probably a whole mess of people that think they got a 50% chance of getting hit

by a meteor every day. I don't know. I'm just throwing out examples. So what's your thoughts on some of that wrongly perspective thinking and why we procrastinate thinking it's going to be, you know, this huge thing and really we're just kind of jerking ourselves around, I guess. Again,

that, that this really goes back to procrastination being a defense mechanism, not a very good one, but it's a defense mechanism. It's, it's like anxiety, you know, or worry,

you know, because something is dangerous. Basically bottom line is it's a leftover from our caveman days, right? When we, you know, we might, we might think twice about going out to get berries if, you know, that big cat's out there. So when you think about it, when you reframe procrastination as a defense mechanism, then you can sort of try and understand that, you know, the brain will make up all sorts of excuses to keep you comfortable and keep you safe. More so comfortable than safe, but that's, that's the main reason behind it. Yeah, definitely. You know, it's, it's interesting. I've kicked

myself so many times after I've done something that where I'm like, where I'm like where i'm like man you wasted all that time and you just if you just would just done it you would have been fine right and yeah it's it is difficult because that can spiral you what i tell a lot of people too i mean i i still i still procrastinate stuff you want stuff to feel bad about i actually put off recently this year. I put off talking to my mother because it was uncomfortable to me, you know, going to see her in the nursing home. They told us she was dying. We knew she was dying. I was always too busy. I was always busy with something else, putting something off.

So I finally got into the calendar. And she passed away the Sunday night before the Monday I'd scheduled to go see her. The procrastination, you know, it, you know, robbed me of my final conversation with my mother, my mother. And the reason I say this is because, you know, you have to have compassion when you talk about procrastination. OK, because it's not your fault. It's a defense mechanism and you are operating on the you're doing the best that you can with the information you have on hand at that specific time and that is a universal truth nobody goes out specifically to do the worst possible thing they can for themselves no so you're doing the best you

can with the information you have at the time. Now, whether that information is right, wrong, or erroneous, missing, it doesn't matter because you're always doing the best that you can. There is no other, I mean, there is no other option. You are doing the best you can with the information that you have. And so you have to have compassion with yourself and just understand that one, it's not your fault. You know, your environment attributed to it, your upbringing attributed to it.

That being said, it's not your fault. It is, you know, should you decide that it's your duty to do, then, yeah, it is your responsibility to do something about it. But the fact that it happened, no. Yeah. Procrastination is a big deal i can imagine you have just should have an endless supply of clients now on your website you have a procrastination profiles quiz i'm planning on taking that i don't know next tuesday friday i don't know we'll see what's about the quiz so the quiz is it's literally eight questions you know it's a free quiz to sort of help nudge you in the right direction. If you feel like you might be procrastinating, it'll give you the big five that you fit into.

Again, you might fit into more than one, but it'll tell you the main area to sort of start asking questions. Right after the quiz, there's a calendar link, too, that you can book time with me. It's free of charge. I'll sit with you. I'll explain the archetype. I'll ask about your situation a little bit. And I'll give you an action plan that you can take. Whether you work with me or not, at least you'll be able to have a little bit more clarity maybe, understanding, and do something.

Yeah. And you also do a free consultation, I believe. Yes. That's attached to the quiz. If you don't take the quiz, I's that's attached to the quiz if you don't if you don't take the quiz i might just run you through the quiz anyway but because i'll need to know i do have people sometimes that come to me and say you know i had one guy he wanted to paint his fence and i said i said i don't know why and he said he didn't know why but i said is painting the

fence a problem no because he actually was doing it while he was talking to me so like okay so where's the issue so that that and that scenario i may tell you okay let's just sit down do the quiz together eight questions it's literally takes 30 seconds you know 30 seconds yeah it's a pretty i'm taking it right now actually i'm going through it i'm i'm kind of feeling it taking it right now, actually. I'm going through it. I'm kind of feeling like I'm reading through some of the questions going, wow, I'm really awful at procrastinating. I'm really good at procrastination, actually,

and just awful at procrastinating, I suppose. So, yeah, so people can do that. Now, I think, do you have some courses on your website, too, as well? No, no courses right now. I had thought you have some courses on your website too, as well? No, no, no courses right now. Okay. I had thought about making some courses, but the issue I have with courses and procrastination is that if you're a procrastinator, you may procrastinate on the course too. So I'm actually working.

It's a legitimate concern, man. That's true. I could see it. I actually had this round table. Yeah. I mean, you got people coming to you with a you know a procrastination problem clearly they they're going to procrastinate i'll give you a real a real scenario i had just when i was creating the course i i had people that were

going to go through the material and try so i had somebody put on my calendar five times and they didn't show up four times they showed up on the fifth time and they still hadn't they hadn't started the course so i said okay you know i need to reevaluate how i'm going to do this that's why i sort of settled on that there's no real courses but i'll i will be running workshops in the future where you know they're bite-sized you know mini-sized workshops but that's still a future wow everyone should take your your courses or your course yet not your course i have covid brain people i'm gonna be saying that for the next year that's my new default if if if the girlfriend's hey you didn't take out the trash hey i got covid brain

you're like that was five years ago you had covid anyway so i just took your quiz and everyone should take your quiz was what I was trying to say. And son of a bitch, if it didn't nail me out of the park, the dreamer, the visionary with endless possibilities, that is me. So I can attest that your quiz is correct, sir. Again, it doesn't go into the deep one into the deep deep end because again you know that's you probably don't need to go into the deep deep end either there's you know those those personality quizzes where you know it's like i'm i'm an iftpsn ty something that's that's as many types of procrastination there is doing like you don't need that you don't need all that yeah you just need the basics of am i fucked up and do i need to call chris

don't call chris to fix me well i would like to do a small thing there i'm not here to fix you you're not broken uh you know despite well chris well despite what people might tell no see this is something in general. You know, people tend to think they're broken or whatever, and you're not broken. You are operating how you were programmed to operate, you know, environmentally, emotionally, physically. Your upbringing does a lot. Your environment does a lot. And it's not that you're broken.

It's just you've been conditioned to behave in certain ways based on mostly your environment. So I can blame my parents for this? Is that what you're saying? Only until you're 18. Once you're 18 and somebody points it out to you, that's where you draw the line. It's like I said, okay, I can blame mom and dad for everything up until 18,

and then even after that, I can blame mom and dad for everything up until somebody points it out to me then it's on me yeah i've got a brother still blaming stuff at 50 years old it might be time to let that go buddy i won't say which brother it is since there's only one of them anyway let's see yeah brother shaming on the chris fosh show welcome to tuesday so you help people go through this process they can call you they can work with you i i think it's funny you can't do a course because people will progress the course yeah the panel did not go well the panel did not go well i can see why that you know it's like it's like it's i don't know it's like being in a clinic and bringing a bottle of booze

anyway what are some things maybe we haven't talked about that you want to tease out i know you have a youtube channel it looks like a podcast anything we need to promote there i mean yeah i do have a podcast again it's a it's fledgling it's still very much in development but it is designed to, you know, showcase guests who have overcome procrastination or who are top of their game. And yeah, that's pretty much it. That's just, you know, at Procrastination Station, capital C, capital A. I don't know why the capitals matter, but apparently they do. Oh, wow. That is, that is, that is, wow.

I mean, people just, people just do. It is the way that they are and are the way that it is. So give us your final thoughts. Pitch out to people on how to pick up the phone and the Internet and get interested in you and what you're doing there. Oh, for sure. You know, yeah, just pick it up. I'm available all the time by WhatsApp.

You know, everybody says I'm crazy for doing it, but honestly, I'm talking to a bunch of procrastinators you're probably going to hit me with an email first and then he'll probably call but my whatsapp number is you know plus 289-968-2639 that's plus 289-968-2639 and yes i will answer you i'm and you know i was going to make a joke about, you know, maybe tomorrow, but I thought that might be bad form. But no, I am always open and willing for conversations and just how to better help you move forward. I should probably consider being a procrastination coach because then I would kind of have a gun in my head that if you're going to tell other people how not to procrastinate and

you procrastinate all the time, then what kind of coach are you? So maybe it would hold a gun to my head i don't know i mean you know having worked with a bunch of you know there's something to be said for that honestly because you know i i was a master procrastinator it still happens still happens and just as just as you know most addiction therapy is better when you get it from a you know a recovered addict, you know? I, and I personally don't go to therapists that don't go to therapy and I don't, don't have coaches that don't go to coaching. Dude, you know, you gotta, you gotta take your own, you gotta sit from your own cup,

you know? Sit from your own cup, walk your own talk, talk your own walk, all that sort of good stuff. Really important. So it's been wonderful to be on the show, Chris. Thank you very much for coming on. We really appreciate it. Oh, thank you for having me.

Yes, and thanks to Ronis for tuning in. And we get your.com as we go out. Did we get your.com one last time? Yep,.procrastinationstation.ca. And everyone go there now. Like, just drop whatever you're doing and go now. Don't procrastinate because, you know, you'll forget about it. So don't do that.

Anyway. So thanks a lot for tuning in. Thanks to Chris for being here. Go to goodrese.com, Forge says Chris Voss, linkedin.com, Forge says Chris Voss, Chris Voss won the TikTokity and all those crazy places on the internet. Thanks for tuning in. Be good to each other. Stay safe.

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