The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Unveiling Hormone Secrets: Balancing Health with Dr. Edward Eckert

Episode Date: July 6, 2025

Unveiling Hormone Secrets: Balancing Health with Dr. Edward Eckert Hormonify.com About the Guest(s): Dr. Edward Eckert is a renowned expert with over 30 years of experience in women's health and bioidentical hormone replacement therapy. A board-certified OB-GYN by the American Board of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Dr. Eckert received his training at Emory University, the University of Florida, and New York University’s affiliated hospital. He graduated from the Medical College of Wisconsin and founded the Menopause Institute in 1994 to delve into menopause research. Dr. Eckert later created HormoneModify.com to focus on personalized bioidentical hormone treatments. Episode Summary: In this engaging episode of the Chris Voss Show, Dr. Edward Eckert shares his wealth of knowledge on bioidentical hormone replacement therapy and the intricacies of balancing hormones for both men and women. The discussion delves deep into the flawed perceptions and misinformation surrounding menopausal symptoms and hormone imbalances that prevail even in today’s medical practices. Dr. Eckert candidly demystifies concepts like perimenopause and underscores the critical nature of hormone balance at all ages. Dr. Eckert provides a comprehensive look at the realities of hormone imbalances and the impact on both physical and mental health. He explains how he dedicated years to develop scientifically-backed, individualized hormone treatments. This fascinating dialogue explores how imbalanced hormones can manifest as anxiety, depression, weight issues, and more. Dr. Eckert also shares insights into the influences of external factors like diet and environment on hormone levels, calling attention to modern issues of early menstruation and diminished hormone production due to environmental estrogens. Key Takeaways: Dr. Eckert highlights the inadequacies in traditional hormone treatment methods and emphasizes the need for personalized, well-researched approaches. Hormone imbalances can contribute to a wide range of symptoms, including fatigue, mood disorders, osteoporosis, and more, impacting overall health dramatically. The podcast underscores the importance of monitoring hormone levels for both men and women as early as their late 20s if symptoms arise, despite common misconceptions about age-related norms. Environmental influences significantly affect hormone levels, with newer studies indicating the impact of multiple COVID-19 vaccinations on premature hormone deficiencies. Dr. Eckert offers a fresh perspective on menopause and urges individuals to seek expert evaluations to properly address their hormone health concerns. Notable Quotes: "In reality, I see problems that occur could be from adolescent years that progress onto the young reproductive years… there's a trend, and the trend is the ratios of hormones that exist." "What we really do differently is that I spent about 10 years researching the whole aspect of what it takes to balance a woman's hormones." "We have literally tens of thousands of patients all over the world." "We eliminate stage two, three, and four breast cancer. We have zero in 30 years." "One of the most common reasons women come in to see us is that their husbands or boyfriends tell 'em they can't have sex with them."

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Today we an amazing young man on the show. Were we talking about some different things about hormones? I've had some interesting things that have gone on with my hormones over the years. Uh, we'll get into some of that with testosterone replacement therapy. And of course, what women go through with their issues with hormones and of course as they age, menopause and stuff. So we're going to be talking to Dr. Edward Eckhart, or Eckhart, Dr. Edward Eckhart today

about some of the different things on what you can do to make sure you're staying balanced in life in the brain and the chemicals and all that stuff because we're just one big meat package convolvulation of hormones. I think that's a scientific term they use, maybe not. Anyway, Dr. Eckert has been working in the field of women's health and bio-identical hormone replacement therapy for over 30 years before launching Hormonify. He became board certified in OBGYN by the American Board of Obstrogenics and Gynecology in 1988. He was trained at Emory University, University of Florida, New York University's affiliated

hospital and is a graduate of the Medical College of Wisconsin. He established and founded Menopause Institute in 1994, and dedicated years of research into investigating the treatment of menopause and its sequences, I guess. I'm missing the Latin that he's got down here. He founded hormonify.com in order to expand the already successful prescribing of bioidentical hormone replacement therapy. Welcome to the show, Dr. Eckert. How are you? Thanks for inviting me. Nice to be here. A pleasure to have you as well.

And thanks for coming. I've got a lot of questions for you. But before we get into that, give us any dot coms, any social media you want people to find out more about you. Well, the best place to go is to harmonifide.com because we have information there. It's on the newsletter section. I wrote about 25 articles to basically help people understand terminology and the basis of what we do and why we're different and how it works. So give us a 30,000 overview of what you do there. What are some of the different products you're doing and, and ways

that you're helping, I believe both men and women when it comes down to it. Is that correct? Or I understand. Yeah, we have, we have a modify from that as well. We found that we're treating the women aspect of relationship and they go back home and the poor guy is not able to do what he has to do, so therefore they bring in the husband's boyfriends and it becomes quite a party. What we really do differently is that I spent about 10 years researching the whole aspect

of what it takes to balance a woman's hormones. When we learned in residency and medical school was absolutely incorrect in my experience. We were taught that Peremorin or estrogen was the basis of hormone treatment. As it turned out, that's completely fallacious. I did research into every article that was written about Permanent and found that indeed there was no real good research studies support what they were saying. So that was an eye-opener for me

about the pharmaceutical industry and how they were selling things. And really what they were doing is marketing without adequate research. So what I learned over the years is that if marketing aspect of the pharmaceutical industry is really what they call research, they research into marketing. So I had to redo all of the preliminary studies for me to understand if I give X amount of hormone

to a woman in this vehicle, what's going to be the blood level? That was the thing that was never done. So it took me about a thousand women over about 10 years to say I'm going to give this method of delivery, whether it be a pill, a suppository, a trochee, which is a highly technical gummy bear, whatever it was, what is the distribution into the blood, into the organs in two hours, four hours, six hours, eight hours, 10 hours, 12 hours, do the whole work so that we can go ahead and establish a program that not only works, but is also economically efficient. So that was my approach to it. I started really doing it heavy in 1996.

And I started researching the patient clinical studies and came to the formulation is that we more or less use today and about 2002, 2003. So we have literally tens of thousands of patients all over the world and our point at this at this juncture we are now looking at becoming a completely national company. We have we're finishing up our proposals to the HHS to help us study further the ramifications of our program because our preliminary studies show that we basically eliminate stage two, three, and four breast cancer. We have zero in 30 years. We have no osteoporosis, no related fractures, zero.

We have zero uterine cancers. We have minimal heart disease progression. So all of these things are due to the proper balancing of the hormones, including the four main groups of hormones that we utilize. And when do you need to start making sure your hormones are balanced? Is there a certain age you need to start making this?

That's a great question because people think that there is distinct stages in a woman's hormonal life. In reality, I see problems that occur could be from adolescent years that progress onto the young reproductive years that progress on to The woman in her 40s progress on to the woman in the 50s There's a trend and the trend is the ratios of hormones that exist we had a little blip in the culture because everybody was put on birth control pills for everything and

As Elon Musk says, you know that really created quite a problem in a water supply, which he's correct. It also provided a big problem with the boost in breast cancer, because it's basically an estrogen dominant treatment regimen. So we really are moved away from treating symptoms, masking them with birth control pills and getting to the etiology, not the symptomatology, but the cause of the problems that we see. And we have about 26 symptoms related to hormone deficiencies. And some people don't even realize

they're related to their hormones. For example, anxiety and depression gets worse. Weight distribution gets worse. All related to hormones. So osteoporosis is all related to the hormones. If we can cure 100%, then the premises is that we absolutely know what causes osteoporosis. And it's not a deficiency of the chemicals that the pharmaceutical industry wants to

sell you. For example, antidepressives. Now we know for a fact that 90% of the time they don't make you less depressed. You've heard about, you know, we have 60 million people on antidepressants. We have more depression in America than we've ever had. So that's not a cure. So I look at we've ever had. So that's not a cure. So I look at things a little bit different. It's not a cure.

So what we've done is we did the studies and then decided the best method, the most consistent method is something called the troche. The troche has been around for 150 years. We perfected it. We changed the compilation of the gel so that it lasts longer in the mouth It does but you put in the cheek here or here and we do it twice a day dosing because that's what you need to Have even levels throughout the 24 hours and it absorbs directly into the bloodstream It's in a sufficient predictable and we are very happy with that method We also have suppository we rarely use the pills

Because the pills go through the stomach into the portal vein into the liver. You don't know what you get. Yeah, because it'll lead it up. You know, I never really worried about hormones most of my life. And I think in my 50s, I started lifting, going to the gym regularly, I changed my life and improved it, quit drinking. Uh, and, and I couldn't build muscle. I was, and I have like little injuries, not really injuries, but I pull shit. And I, I, for three years I worked my ass off and I couldn't build muscle.

I mean, I could build some muscle, but I would just hit a wall and I couldn't figure out what was going on. I, you know, everything's still working in the bedroom department. And, uh, so, you know, I'm just like, well, you know, I'm just getting older. And then I was going through, I didn't realize the time, but I was going through brain fog. I would, I would wake up and I would like, I would literally feel like I was crawling into bed five minutes, 10 minutes later. Like I would, I would crawl into bed and go, what did I do today? What the fuck? I swear to God, I was crawling in this bed five minutes ago and I'm crawling back into it to go to sleep. And you know, there's, you know, there's the podcast

and all the shit that I do. This proof of, and I could, I could at least go like, okay, I, I guess I did some of this, but like, there was like a million things that I wanted to do that I never got done and And so I went in finally, you know, I've been I we'd have enough people on the show they're like you should check your testosterone and I went in and had it checked and Turns out I was I wasn't too bad. I was like 400 but my free testosterone was in the toilet So I had like actually actually 400 is pretty low for a young guy like you. I assume you're about what, 48? I'm 57.

I know, I'm kidding. 57? You look, you look, you look 48. So that's a very common issue. The most common complaint we have in our male division is going to be fatigue and poor muscle development. So not ED because most of the guys we treat are in their 40s and low 50s.

But a very interesting compilation here is that your adrenal gland is probably shot. Foggy thinking, fatigue, the adrenal gland is a precursor to the male hormone testosterone. So most people don't understand this. Even urologists I speak to, they don't even understand that you've got to check the adrenal gland. Why? check the adrenal gland. Why? Because the adrenal gland will burn out if the testosterone goes low. It tries to produce more and more testosterone, and by that case, they burn out.

Adrenal gland is extremely important for your immune system function. It's very, very important in establishing, balancing, and almost every aspect, including brain function. So if you're having fatigue, whoever's listening, fatigue, and your doctor says your testosterone is normal, did he check the adrenal gland function? Does he even know how to check the adrenal gland function? Most of them don't even know how to check it. It's ignored because there's not a lot of pharmaceuticals for the adrenal gland.

There's no motivation to study it and do what has to be done. We, because we use supplementation by top physician quality companies, can replace and show the levels going up. It's amazing. You can actually quantify through hormonify your levels of adrenal gland function and testosterone. By the way, your level of 400 for a young guy like you

is extremely low. Really? Okay. Yes, it's extremely low. That's why I told you it was kind of okay, but that's because- The problem was the problem, the free- That's because, again, pre, we'll talk about pre in a second,

but that's the reason why doctors who are not properly trained, just look at the quote normals on the right side. Like when you get a lab test, your lab value is 420. What is normal? They give a range. Oh, you're normal

I see that all the time. They tell that I had two today two patients went to the gynecologist Oh, it's normal normal for who normal for some in 70 normal for some in 38 We're in their cycle So they don't know enough to know what the value should be that what took me ten years to figure out So case after case after case whoever's out there listening You've gone to college is gonna tell you it's normal your family does say it's normal because they don't even know what normal should be I just look on the range and your case it's within the range of men in America Yeah, you know if they're 90 so therefore you're in the range

But actually for a guy your age with your activity level where you're working on the gym you need much more Yeah, I they try and keep me about my clinic cars keep me in the hundreds right now That is a total is not as important as free when people don't realize this total is already bound up So when you give yourself less an injection testosterone It's gonna be free for a while and that free will really spike up But the freeze what's available bioavailable to the cells in your body Not to bound up ones that's bound up by this x-bonding globulin, which you don't measure a lot of doctors measure

I don't know why they measure with a protein But basically what's free and available that includes for women to what's available to your testosterone? Is what you need to focus on, not your quote total. They uh, uh, yeah. And so within three days of it usually takes, they shoot it in the butt. So it takes like about three days to fully get in your system. Within three days, I started to wake up from brain fog. And I remember the first Monday I was doing three podcasts and I came out of the first podcast

and we usually do them at 11 a.m. mountain. And I came in the first podcast and I was like, why is it not Thursday right now? Like why is it still fucking Monday? Like I couldn't figure out why it was still Monday. Like I had a weak brain fog delay. And then I did my second podcast probably a couple hours later same day Monday and I came out and I'm like what the fuck is going on? I remember thinking to myself oh the weekend the weekends here it's Friday.

This is my last two shows and I get to do the weekend and then I'm like wait it's still fucking Monday. You know we should talk about the fourth dimension where there's a no, no such thing as time. You're going into the fourth dimension now. And then by the end of the show, we'll be at the fifth dimension, right? No time and space. Yeah. And then I came out of the third one. I'm like, why is it not Monday again? Why, why is it still today? This is fucking freaking me out. It took me like a day to realize I was living

in like a week delay of fog. And then I came out of it and it was just, it was like heaven. So anyway, so yeah, I've witnessed firsthand how important this is. Now, one of the things I did want to bring on the show and ask you about is I've been seeing this trend talking about menopause and para menopause on TikTok. And it's really taking off and becoming a topic of, of, uh, what people are trying to,

I don't know, they're trying to, you know, all sells some coaching bullshit. Tell us about is it, what's the realities of this and the truth behind medicine. Well, the truth is, is that here at Home Modified, we don't use terms that have no meaning. Perimenopause is a good one that we see a lot on the internet. Like they have these new definitions of what perimenopause is. Who cares? It doesn't matter what you call it.

You measure hormone levels. This is the, this is like the 21st century. The history of menopause is interesting because the original words, menopause, is pausing of your menses. That was because in the 1850s, it was illegal for a doctor to touch a woman's genitalia, period. Couldn't do an exam, didn't do pelvic exam, didn't do Pappa Nicolae, didn't do anything. All that he was able to do was get a history.

So have you had your period now last year? No. Well, then your menopausal, go to the midwife, we'll get you some concoctions to treat you. Period. That was 1850, almost 200 years ago. They still use terms like that, that have no absolute scientific basis. So what we did was forget those terms. We use them because

people use them, but on the other hand pre-menopause, a seven-year-old girl is pre-menopausal. What does that mean? That's true. I have a patient, she's 60 years old, she comes in, she says I'm perimenopausal. She has no hormones. She's done, but she wants to be perimenopausal because if she's post-menopausal she feels old. So therefore there's a whole psychological concept that is being pushed by people who know nothing of what they speak.

I know, welcome to the modern world of the internet. They know nothing. Are you sure? Because the internet seems pretty factual. Yeah, it is. It's where you look for facts. But I do think that the definite, I have an article in my newsletter that said,

what is menopause anyway? Because it doesn't mean anything to me to us here, or modified. We look at the objective, we look at the subjective, the history, we look at the objective information that is obtained through blood work. And then we formulate a plan period, who cares what you call it. It has no meaning except for maybe feeling, a touchy feeling sort of thing where I guess I'm pre-metapausal. Okay. If you want to be pre-metapausal, that's fine. But it doesn't mean anything from my perspective in terms of treating patients. Now we treat hundreds of patients a week and we have yet to have the need to use the word. So if I understand you correctly, to clarify your point, it, it really is just case

by case, individual by individual. What is your, you know, age is a factor and some other factors are probably, but, but, but basically, you know, when your hormones are fucked up, your hormones are fucked up by some sort of, well, we try not to put it in those terms, but I would just say if, if you're out of balance, if you're out of balance, if you're out of balance, the yin and yang is off, you need to be put, not just fix the hormones at a deficient, but also know the ratios of the four different hormones to work. And that's what took me 10 years to figure out.

So getting back to your analogy about perimenopause,-medicine, in the reality though, is that I have patients who were told at 29 years old that they need to see a psychiatrist because they were having metapausal symptoms. They went to the psychiatrist, got put on antidepressants, anti-anxiety medicine, whatever it was, sleeping pill, whatever it was, and didn't help. They just felt sluggish and drugged. They came to me, we got them off the medication, we checked them, and sure enough, they were having levels that are severely deficient called premature ovarian failure. So I just had a patient today who was

told by three doctors that there's nothing wrong with her. This is the problem that we get in medical establishment today. They got three seconds to see the patient because they gotta go ahead and get to $6.42 per patient. They don't wanna deal with the issues. The patient says, this is happening to me, ABCDE, and they get lab work, it's normal, goodbye. Where do they go? The next doctor, our psychiatrist. That's the worst thing you can do.

You know your body. There are things changing. It could be 28, 38. It could be whatever age it is own it and Then find someone who's going to know how to deal with it as opposed to blowing you off and saying it's fine. It's fine This is crazy in this age. It's crazy stuff. I every day I see it from intelligent doctors You're fine. What does that mean? I'm feeling, I'm feeling nine symptoms, you know, and that's, that's not fine. You know, yeah.

So if I'm a woman or a man out there in the audience, uh, and it sounds like you're focused on a woman. How do I know? Give me some ideas of what some, how do I know if I'm having symptoms or if I'm just, you know, just having a bad day where well, there's, there's 20, there's 26 symptoms associated with female hormone and balancing that we established is from increasing anxiety, depressive moodiness, inability to deal with stress. Uh, we have hot flashes, night sweats, insomnia, brain fog, fatigue. Uh, we have vaginal dryness, inability to have intercourse, inability to climax, no sexual issues that come into play, both men and women, by the way.

Most women when they meet them though. And so that's not only menopause, that's just, that's just, uh, it's, it's chrysophos. You know, you have that effect on them, right? Yeah. That's what I pulled. Yeah. Tinder all day long. The, no, the issue really is about how do you get through the nonsense?

And I've learned over the years that what you have to do is throw out all of the nonsense and start from scratch. And that's what we did. So the program is very structured. I have rules and regs. I follow the guidelines, the American College of OB-GYN, but I especially do not allow the patient's symptoms to go unnoticed. The laboratory testing is very important. We have extremely amount of ability today to measure almost anything. I mean, you know, those that use porcelain toilets, we can measure your porcelain level, make sure you're not porcelain toxic.

For example. Yeah, I just made that up, but I made that up and it sounded good at the time. Okay. So I was gonna have that check because I'm paranoid now. I didn't believe me half the patients who hear it say, really? Oh, wow. I got to get my personal level to all new tick tock channel you just created. But getting back to I was going to finish getting back to the fact that nutrition is very important. And all of them, men and women. Wow. Very important. Level one nutrition, level two sex hormones, level three adrenal gland, and level four is specific things that happen to the patient, including believe it or not, the COVID vaccinations. Really? Well, I've seen so many young healthy people develop premature

ovarian failure, premature testosterone deficiencies, and young men 20. And the commonality is multiple COVID vaccinations. Really? A lot. And the literature is full of infertility rising, you know, tremendously. Wow.

That spike protein was not a good thing. Let me ask you this. One thing I know, so I have a sectomy. And so one thing I noticed was a lot of my girlfriends that get with me, they can go off the pill. I'm cut. And so there's no risk. Did they cut one or two? I don't know if they cut one or two. They cut. That's all I know. And I wasn't around for it. I was I was asleep the whole time. I had you make I'd make sure they cut both of them.

Otherwise, every other, you're going to be protected. Well, I seem to have been fine for 40 years or something. Yeah, they probably cut both. That's good. I'm just making sure. I had 22. Yeah. All right.

I had lied and told them I had four kids, and in Utah, that's pretty normal by 22. So they believe me. But I mean, it's the best investment I ever made in my life, but, uh, one of the challenges they have is they'll go off their birth control and they really enjoy being off of it. They really love it. And it seems to balance them. And so, you know, I might have a year relationship, a couple of years, few

years relationships with them. And then after we break up, because I'm an asshole, everybody knows that the, and it's always my fault because I'm a man. And so they, they, uh, excuse me, sorry, I had a cough there. And uh, and so they'll, they'll basically, I'm just doing jokes. They basically will have to go back on it with the new boyfriend and it fucks them up. Like they'll call and tell me, they're like, I'm really doing jokes. They basically will have to go back on it with the new boyfriend and it fucks them up Like they'll call and tell me they're like I'm really fucked up because I had to go back on the pill And so it's really made me realize, you know, how much that shit messes with their systems that that pill stuff

Well, that's basically as an dominant therapy So we have a lot of women who are by nature, by genetics, estrogen dominant, which means efficiency of the testosterone, testosterone, too much estrogen. Those are the ones, unfortunately, that are risk for breast cancer and uterine cancer, obesity, pre-diabetes, all those things. So what we have to do at Hormonify is we have to identify those patients at risk and be especially careful not to give them any estrogen sometimes. We measure them and we give them none and they become balanced.

They don't need any more. They're producing a lot in their body by genetics. And that happens a lot with women who are developing that, what we call a pear shaped body, where they become more broader on the bottom than on the top. And that is what's a sign of estrin dominance. Then we have a condition called polycystic ovarian disease. Whoever's listening to the show, Chris, I'm sure some of them have that,

and they're told to be on the birth control pill. Absolutely not. You can be on it for a short period of time, and more than three months, get you on the hormones you need, which is gonna be progesterone mainly. The efficiency of progesterone causes a lot of the symptoms of estrin dominance with PCOS patients.

Well, this is really good for women to know, because I've seen the, I've seen the, you know, they go back on. I mean, like I remember one of my girlfriend, I think she bled straight for 90 days or something. She had a period when she went, she went, she had to go back on the birth control. I was like, Oh my God, this stuff is really, this stuff really must just well, we treated that differently. We would have treated it with the hormones that she needs to balance. So almost, you know, it's all about yin and yang.

It's all about the balancing. And, um, I can see why you have a lot of girlfriends. I can see that. Yeah. Yeah. So the, uh, what, uh, so talk to us about your remedy. How do people work with you? Uh, can they be anywhere in the nation?

Do they have to come to your clinic? No, we have a tremendous staff. We have people that process everything by phone, by we have secure video, HIPAA approved, we have in person. So we have an ability to take care of the patient anywhere in the world. So we have patients, I think now from 18 countries, 49 states. And I'll give you a bonus, Chris, if you can tell me which state we do not have one patient in, maybe it's going to change after this podcast. Can you guess one state? Otherwise we have tons.

Yeah. One. Alaska. Correct. Really? Wow. You're the first guy I ever got it. That's fantastic.

I was going to say Hawaii, but then I won't know we have tons in Hawaii, Alaska. We have no one good. I've never had anyone answer that. You're a smart guy. You don't appear. Really? Why is that? I was thinking too. It's very small. There's a very small foot. I don't think women have hot flashes. There are nights sweats. I don't know. Well, when it's, you know, negative 100, maybe that's it. And a lot of guys live alone in the woods. So maybe that's another reason.

That's another reason. Everyone lives in a people too busy being eaten by bears. I think they're right. I think that's Alaska is a fine place. We don't need to send our northern friends. Maybe now we'll, I don't know if you have any listeners from Alaska. I don't know, but that would be a, it concept. But we see the level of education of the patient going up over time. In other words, if people really study what it is that goes on, that's the ones

that come to see us. There's a lot of clinics that come and go near area that are popping up and not popping up. Just for men out there, be very careful of those that are not part of the DEA Federal Registry because that means that they're not qualified to be able to use your insurance to pay for your testosterone. And that is a red flag because in our Hormonify and our location all over the country, it is covered because we take insurances because we are part of what's called the DEA Federal Registry. And that's very good to control and limit the abuse of testosterone. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, I've got some friends that probably, I don't know, their abuse would be their word, but they do their own thing, if you know what I mean, wink, wink. It suppresses the adrenal gland, long-term problems are severe. I would say that that's not for us, we don't do that because we have long-term patients, we have patients who are with us for 30 years. So we really don't wanna over-treat because that has other ramifications

like suppressing your own production. So in our experience with men, over time we reduce the testosterone by giving them a group of compounds called adaptogens, which are specifically helping the body produce and manifest its own testosterone levels. So if we have some in four or five years, then those now is much lower than it was four or five years ago.

So that's a good way. I don't say it goes to zero, but it can go quite substantially lower. So people can tell health into you, is that correct then? Yes, absolutely. And then I see in your shop on your website, you've got a lot of different products and stuff like that. And then you guys make a specific gummy, if I understand it correctly, I forget the term that you use for it.

And so people can basically get a customized cocktail from you. Well, the gummy, I don't know if you can see it well, it's a little, each of those squares is one day's dose. Okay. So even though our program is very, very specific, very, very rigid as far as the rules that we follow, our treatment regimen is extremely individualized, which means you have four groups of hormones. Imagine different levels of four groups of hormones put into the trochee for you

Therefore if you have to get a let's say FDA approval for that dosage It would cost you know, probably two million dollars each dosage multiply that by a million dosages That's why quote this product is not FDA approved Yeah, the dosage is not FDA approved, but the product itself is definitely FDA, not only regulated, overregulated. We have to use the top quality FDA approved raw materials in our lab. So therefore the people who say the academicians who say, well, that's not FDA approved insulin levels vary from a hundredth of a milliliter unit rather, million unit. And every single million unit dose of insulin is not FDA approved. But they don't want to apply that to this because of the pharmaceutical industries

lobby. When you think about it, why is an insulin different dosing? What's the study to show that this amount of units is effective and that amount of units is effective because it is allowed Grandfathered in to allow insulin pumps to be used that change the dose all the time Same thing with horror. It's a hormone insulin is a hormone So we can get into what what you know, how do you make a hormone? But the bottom line is is that the individual dosing of our therapy is exactly the same as insulin is to diabetes individual dosing of our therapy is exactly the same as insulin is to diabetes. You know how hard my comedic mind is trying to get over that how to make a hormone joke and not complete it.

So I'll let people fill in the blank on that one. The what's a you know, I know, I know what we've established here is that is that is that there's no set rule on okay, when you're in menopause and stuff like that, or a hormone imbalance, then it's case by case, et cetera, et cetera. But is there an average age that people should look at right now of when you should at least get checked,

even if you don't, if you have symptoms? I would say when you have, if you go on the website, you can see the symptomatology. If you have these symptoms and you're concerned, you should have at least have your levels checked and you need to have an expert because you need to know when in your cycle if you're a female to have the levels checked. As men go, we have guys 22 years old calling up. They have no testosterone.

Wow. I'm telling you, you cannot tell anymore. If you're having symptoms, don't believe your GP or your doctor to say, oh, you're fine. You know, you're too young for XYZ. That just shows a mass ignorance. And I don't know if they're moronic or idiotic. But to me, this is a lack of understanding so big that you're getting this this area filled with people who know absolutely nothing of

what they speak. Completely phony baloney people that make up stuff. And for example, the pellets a good example, completely nonsensical in terms of how to treat a woman's lack of hormones by giving them male levels of testosterone. To me, that is not the way to go. It just makes no sense. And they have some serious complications, serious. Okay. The, uh, so if my adrenal gland glands went to shit while I was, well, I was, uh, well,

I didn't have enough free testosterone. What did it, has it, will it come back with me? Well, you need to, usually you need to have it measured and based on the measurement, we need to know how to treat. We treat different types of DHEA for men or women to avoid the male side effects of DHEA street. So we have an ability to avoid that with females so that we go ahead and treat both, but we treat both differently.

Yeah. I've been on testosterone now for I think in a year and a half. It's changed my life. I mean, I've been able to put on muscle. I've got double the muscle I used to have. I have less injuries. I have less back problems. I feel like I'm 35 again and I don't have brain fog. It did do one thing that I was not happy about. I had my ADHD that I've had severely all my life had kind of fallen off probably with the brain fog like a motherfucker it's that may be the adrenal gland absolutely I

see a lot of ADHD when you drain the adrenal gland it gets worse so therefore yes who are connected yes they are that may explain everything and that may be it. You should have that check. All right, call my office. I'll take good care of you. I definitely will. What was the other question I had for you? But so basically, they can call you, they can see you visit with you find that what I do what I have a whole team of practitioners who I trained and what I do is I like to screen

every single new patient because I like to make sure we can help them before they either spend the dime or spend any time because to me, some people we cannot help. I'd rather not waste the time of our staff and also of them to go through a system and then say we can't help you. So I screen pretty much everyone. That's what I do a lot of the day, is screening new patients and we chat, we talk. That's the greatest part of my job

is I meet people from all over the world, fascinating people, you know? My last quick question for you, we've had people on and we've talked a lot about estrogenics, like parabens and different chemicals that are in soaps and different things like that. Even like, you know, we have antidepressants coming back into our food system from like fish and other things. Is it, is it, you know, I've been hearing that women have been having periods

as young as nine now they're having them younger because there's so much of this estrogenics in our food and our soaps and all this. Absolutelylantic thing with men where it's attacking yes absolutely there is definitely a significant drop in sperm count in young men there's a drop there's a premature development with menstrual cycles in younger and younger women they have earlier breast development failarchy but we see all of that but most, most important is that it's much worse than you even think. Really? You know? Yes.

It's much worse. We see so many side effects of the chemicals that are in our water supply and our food supply. I'll give you an example. There was a chicken producer who used to go on television and say, held up a chicken, he said, we don't inject our chickens with hormones. I don't know if you remember. I'm not remember not gonna mention who it was it starts with a T anyway guess what they were doing they were putting that the estrogen in the

grain ah so you know when you get down to it you know we have a lot of marketing issues in this country that is not as present or prevalent as it is. Europe is much better controlled, much better regulated in terms of the estrogenics in our food supply. I'll just leave it at that, which is why they don't want to take a lot of our food because they know it contains a lot of hormones. Yeah.

And it's crazy. I think, I think some of the times they want hormones in foods so they can get that dopamine hit that kind of is addictive. No, I don't know if that's been proven, but I do know that it makes the chicken fatter. It does all sorts of good things for their bottom line. And you try to eat as much hormone-free food as you can. And basically, especially for women that are having estrogen dominance, you have to balance your hormones with the proper balancing of the testosterone, testosterone, adrenal gland. And that makes you counteract some

of the effects of the food supply because who can afford organic chicken hormone free? It's like $10 a pound. That's crazy. It's getting crazy now. That definitely is. I hear a lot of people tell me, I run huge dating groups with like 5,000 people and menopause is a discussion because it's hard to date someone when they're in the throes of menopausal conditions. I've gone on a date where someone has a hot flash in the car in the middle of winter and you have to open all the windows in the air conditioning. It's a little hard to date people with that.

I mean, my married friends, they're with their ride and die people. Well, in my experience, one of the most common reasons women come in to see us is that their husbands or boyfriends tell them they can't have sex with them and their vagina is so dry and it hurts. It's a terrible experience. So intimacy becomes an issue. Women do want to be intimate with the person they love. So that is a very common issue. Of course, the men sometimes do encourage them to come in, but most of the time that's a big, big issue.

They just are so affected by lack of hormones and the scare that is out there, which is false, that taking hormones, that's the capital H, is going to cause breast cancer. It's the opposite. If it's properly balanced, you can eliminate breast cancer risk way below the norm. So that is a scare tactic. It's not real. I advise all men and women to look into this. I've seen, you know, I've had girlfriends that don't track their period and I have to track them for them. And I'm like, why is this my job?

And you know, I'm like, you should be tracking it. It's important for your hormones. But it's important for guys to know this too. Like in our, in my big dating groups, I have at least two women that have told me that they, you know, they're readily admit or self accountable that they destroyed their last marriage with because they weren't balancing. They didn't even understand they were in menopause. I have a, I have a, I have a divorce judge here in Palm beach County in Florida, who, uh, I take care of his wife and he said, I should send everyone to you as opposed to setting up to the four hour mandatory class they have,

you know, that they have to take. So, you know, I would probably hear more. If you look at divorce statistics, there's a spike between women age 48 to 55. And it's not coincidental, it's real. You see a lot of other spikes by the way, autoimmune disease, you see a spike with lupus, for example, you see a lot of interesting things that people are not dealing with, because they don't know how to deal with it.

I had to learn how to do it myself. And that's what makes her modify so special because I created the formulations, people copy me all the time, you know, and but when there's a problem, they don't know which way to go to like go up here and go down here. So to me, this was why I'm modified so successful, which is why I'm here to educate the American population so that we become better educated, can make better choices and actually save money, avoid disease, live longer, live happier, more intimacy. It's all good. I'm all for no more disease. I'm on that. I'm you have your

prevention. One dollar you spend for prevention, you save a hundred dollars to the system. So tell people how they can onboard with you with dot coms. They can go to find out more, etc, etc. As we go out. Well, we are modified.com is the place. I mean, we, we love the website. It's very big educational base. You can put in a little information. We will contact you and set up a pre-consult we call it, which is no charge, just to see how you're doing, what's your symptoms, what can we do to help you? And then we'll assign you to the proper nurse practitioner or sometimes it's complicated

and I will be the one taking care of you. So it's a very personalized office. We have great staff. Everybody is wonderful and they love what they do and we're changing people's lives and we hope that your listeners take the benefit of you of UNI's conversation. And hopefully we educated some people and dispelled some stuff. You know, we don't platform conspiracy and weirdness in here. We try and get the facts and the science. That's right. So I'm kind of weird that way. That's probably why we don't have as many listeners as some of the big podcasts because they platform some craziness.

But we try and get it right and people should know this. I thought I was flying good with testosterone because everything was working in the bedroom and I've never been married all my life. I've been running around Las Vegas. So I've been pretty active on purpose to make sure, you know, my dad had prostate problems when he was, I think 45 in his late forties, but he was in two dead sexless marriages. So I don't know if conditioning helped, but you know, I, I'm 57. I don't seem to be having any inclination problems, or at least that's what my clinic is telling me. So, uh, one is one, but this is, this is stuff you need to get checked out people. I mean, it is made and I am surprised when I go into the clinics, how young people are,

men are that are in there, even women. I'm just like, Jesus, wow. But on the other hand, we have women coming in in their eighties because they have osteoporosis and we cure their osteoporosis. Really? Yes, because they come in in their 80s, their daughters bring them in, the doctors refer them and they have osteoporosis, they can't take those poisons and we cure them osteoporosis, they live seven more years.

So in other words, that's the key. That's awesome. The key is to understand the etiology of disease and the questions you ask your doctor when they give you a medication is, if I take this medication, what is the outcome? Which means not just what happens with the bone scan. Will there be less fractures? See, you got to ask the right questions. So if you have a question that you want to ask your doctor, call me. I'll tell you at least the right questions to ask whether you should be taking those poisons or not. But the best thing is to be on no chronic medication, period. They're all poisons to some degree.

That's what medicine is. Thank you very much for coming to the show. We really appreciate it, doctor. Thank you very much. Okay. And thanks so much for tuning in. Go to goodreese.com, Fortress, Chris Foss, linkedin.com, Fortress, Chris Foss.

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Today we have an amazing young man on the show. Were we talking about some different things about hormones. I've had some interesting things that have gone on with my hormones over the years. We'll get into some of that with testosterone replacement therapy. And of course, what women go through with their issues with hormones and of course as they age, menopause and stuff so we're talking to dr. Edward Eckhart or Eckhart dr. Edward Eckhart today about some of the different things on what you can do to make sure you're staying balanced in life in the brain and the chemicals and all that stuff because we're just one big meat package

convolvulation of hormones I think that's a scientific term they use. Maybe not. Anyway, Dr. Eckert has been working in the field of women's health and bio identical hormone replacement therapy for over 30 years before launching Hormonify. He became board certified in OBGYN by the American Board of Obstrogenics and Gynecology in 1988. He is trained at Emory University University of Florida, New York University's affiliated hospital, and is a graduate of the Medical College of Wisconsin. He established and founded Menopause Institute in 1994 and dedicated years of

research into investigating the treatment of menopause and its sequences, I guess. I'm missing the Latin that he's got down here. He founded hormonify.com and will expand the already successful prescribing of bioidentical hormone replacement therapy. Welcome to the show, Dr. Eckert. How are you? Thanks for inviting me.

Nice to be here. A pleasure to have you as well. Eckert, how are you? Thanks for inviting me, nice to be here. Pleasure to have you as well and thanks for coming. I've got a lot of questions for you, but before we get into that, give us any dot coms, any social media you want people to find out more about you. Well, the best place to go is to hormonify.com because we have information there. It's on the newsletter section. I wrote about 25 articles to basically help people understand terminology and the basis of what we do and why we're different and how it works.

So give us a 30,000 overview of what you do there. What are some of the different products you're doing and ways that you're helping, I believe, both men and women when it comes down to it. Is that correct or understanding? Yeah, we have a modified for men as well. We found that we're treating the women aspect of relationship and they go back home and the poor guy is not able to do what he has to do. So therefore they bring in the husband's boyfriends and it becomes quite a, quite a party.

What we really do differently is that I spent about 10 years researching the whole aspect of what it, what it takes to balance a woman's hormones. When we learned in residency and medical school was absolutely incorrect in my experience, we were taught that Premarin or estrogen was the basis of hormone treatment. As it turned out, that's completely fallacious. I did research into every article that was written about Premarin

and found that indeed there was no real good research that is important what they were saying. So that was an eye-opener for me about the pharmaceutical industry and how they were selling things. And really what they were saying. So that was an eye-opener for me about the pharmaceutical industry and how they were selling things and really what they were doing is marketing without adequate research. So what I learned over the years is that the marketing aspect of the pharmaceutical industry is really what they call research. They research into marketing.

So I had to redo all of the preliminary studies for me to understand if I give X amount of hormone to a woman in this vehicle, what's going to be the blood level? That was the thing that was never done. So it took me about a thousand women over about 10 years to say, I'm going to give this method of delivery, whether it be a pill, a suppository, a trochee, which is a highly technical gummy bear, whatever it was, what is the distribution into the blood, into the organs, in two hours, four hours, six hours, eight hours, 10 hours, 12 hours, do the whole work

so that we can go ahead and establish a program that not only works, but is also economically efficient. So that was my approach to it. I started really doing it heavy in 1996, and I started researching via patient clinical studies and came to the formulation is that we more or less use today, in about 2002, 2003. So we have literally tens of thousands of patients all over the world. And our point at this juncture, we are now looking at becoming a completely national

company. We have, we're finishing up our proposals to the HHS to help us study further the ramifications of our program because our preliminary studies show that we basically eliminate stage two, three, and four breast cancer. We have zero in 30 years. We have no osteoporosis, no related fractures, zero. We have zero uterine cancers.

We have minimal heart disease progression. So all of these things are due to the proper balancing of the hormones, including the four main groups of hormones that we utilize. And when do you need to start making sure your hormones are balanced? Is there a certain age you need to start making this preparation? That's a great question because people think that there is distinct stages in a woman's hormonal life. In reality, I see problems that occur could be from adolescent years that progress onto the young reproductive years that progress onto the woman in her 40s, progress onto the woman in the 50s. There's a trend and the trend is the ratios of hormones that exist. We had a little blip in the culture

because everybody was put on birth control pills for everything and as Elon Musk says, you know, that really created quite a problem in a water supply, which he's correct. It also provided a big problem with the boost in breast cancer because it's basically an estrogen dominant treatment regimen. So we really are moved away from treating symptoms, masking them with birth control pills and getting to the etiology, not the symptomatology, but the cause of the problems that we see. And we have about 26 symptoms related to hormone deficiencies. And some people don't even realize they're related to the hormones. For example, anxiety, depression gets worse.

Weight distribution gets worse or related to hormones. So osteoporosis is all related to the hormones. If we can cure 100%, then the premises is that we absolutely know what causes osteoporosis. And it's not a deficiency of the chemicals that the pharmaceutical industry wants to sell you. For example, antidepressives. Now we know for a fact that 90% of the time they don't make you less depressed. You've heard about, you know, we have 16 million people on antidepressants.

We have more depression in America than we've ever had. So that's not a cure. So I look at things a little bit different. It's not a cure. So what we've done is we did the studies and then decided the best method, the most consistent method is something called the trochee The trochee has been around for 150 years. We perfected it We changed the compilation of the gel so that it lasts longer in the mouth

It does for you put in the cheek here or here and we do it twice a day dosing because that's what you need to Have even levels throughout the 24 hours and it absorbs directly into the bloodstream It's in a sufficient predictable and we are very happy with that method. We also have suppository. We rarely use the pills because the pills go through the stomach into the portal vein into the liver and you don't know what you get. Yeah, because it'll lead it up. You know, I never really worried about hormones most of my life. And, uh, I think in my fifties, I started lifting, going to the gym

regularly, I changed my life and approved it, quit drinking, uh, and, and I couldn't build muscle. I was, and I'd have like little injuries, not really injuries, but I pull shit. And I, I, for three years, I work my ass off and I couldn't build muscle. I mean, I could build some muscle, but I would just hit a wall and I couldn't figure out what was going on. I, you know, everything's still working in the bedroom department and uh, so, you know, I'm just like, well, you know, I'm just getting older and then I was going through, I didn't realize the time, but I was going through brain fog.

I would, I would wake up and I would like, I would literally feel like I was crawling into bed five minutes, 10 minutes later. Like I would, I would crawl into bed and go, what did I do today? What the fuck? I swear to God, I was crawling in this bed five minutes ago and now I'm crawling back into it to go to sleep.

And you know, there's, you know, there's the podcast and all the shit that I do. This proof, you know, I could, I could at least go like, okay, I, I guess I did some of this, but like, there was like a million things that I wanted to do that I never got done. And, um, and so I went in finally, you know, I've been, I, we'd had enough people on the show. They're like, you should check your testosterone.

And I went in and had it checked and Turns out I was I wasn't too bad. I was like 400 but my free testosterone was in the toilet So I had like actually actually 400 is pretty low for a young guy like you. I assume you're about what 48 So that's a very common a common issue the most common complaint we have in our male division is going to be fatigue and poor muscle development. So not ED because most of the guys we treat are in their 40s and low 50s. But a very interesting compilation here is that your adrenal gland is probably shot. Foggy thinking, fatigue, the adrenal gland is a precursor to the male hormone testosterone. So most people don't understand this, even urologists I speak to, they don't even understand

that you've got to check the adrenal gland. Why? Because the adrenal gland will burn out if the testosterone goes low. It tries to produce more and more testosterone and by that case they burn out. Adrenal gland is extremely important for your immune system function. It's very, very important in establishing, balancing, and almost every aspect, including brain function. So if you're having fatigue, whoever's listening, fatigue, and your doctor says your testosterone

is normal, did he check the adrenal gland function? Does he even know how to check the adrenal gland function? Most of them don't even know how to check it. It's ignored because there's not a lot of pharmaceuticals for the adrenal gland. There's no motivation to study it and do what has to be done. We, because we use supplementation by top physician quality companies, can replace and show the levels going up. It's amazing. You can actually quantify through hormonify your levels of adrenal gland function and testosterone. By hormonify your levels of adrenal gland function and testosterone by the way your level of 400 for young guy like

you is extremely low yes it's extremely low problem was the problem the free that's because that's again pre we'll talk about pre in a second but that's the reason why doctors who are not properly trained, just look at the quote normals on the right side. Like when you get a lab test, your lab value is 420. What is normal? They give a range.

Oh, you're normal. I see that all the time. They tell, I had two today, two patients went to the gynecologist. Oh, it's normal. Normal for who? Normal for someone 70, normal for someone 38, where in their cycle.

So they don't know enough to know what the value should be. That what took me 10 years to figure out. So case after case after case, whoever's out there listening, your gynecologist is gonna tell you it's normal. Your family doesn't say it's normal because they don't even know what normal should be. They just look on the range.

And your case, it's within the range of men in America. Yeah. You know, if they're 90, so therefore you're in the range. But actually for a guy your age with your activity level, when you're working on the gym, you need much more. Yeah. They try and keep me about my clinic heart is keeping in the hundreds right now. That is a total is not as important as free. When people don't realize this total is already bound up So when you give yourself less an injection of testosterone It's gonna be free for a while and that free will really spike up But the freeze what's available bioavailable to the cells in your body?

Not to bound up ones that's bound up by this sex bonding globulin, which you don't measure a lot of doctors measure I don't know why they measure it's a protein but basically what's free and available and includes for women too what's available to your testosterone is what you need to focus on not your quote total they uh uh yeah and so within three days of it usually takes they shoot in the butt so it takes like about three days to fully get in your system. And within three days I started to wake up from brain fog. And I remember the first Monday I was doing three podcasts and I came out of the first podcast and we usually do them at 11 a.m. mountain. And I came in the first podcast and I was like, why is it not Thursday right now?

Like why is it still fucking Monday? Like I couldn't figure out why I was still Monday. Like I had a weak brain fog delay. And then I did my second podcast, probably a couple of hours later, same day, Monday. And I came out and I'm like, what the fuck is going on? I got, I remember thinking to myself, Oh, the weekend, the weekends here, it's Friday. I, this is my last two shows and I get to do the weekend. And then I'm like, wait, it's still fucking Monday.

You know, we should talk about the fourth dimension where there's a no, no such thing as time. You're going into the fourth dimension now. And then by the end of the show, we'll be at the fifth dimension, right? No time and space. Yeah. And then I came out of the third one. I'm like, why is it not Monday again? Why, why is it still today? This is freaking me out. It took me like a day to realize I was living in like a week delay of fog. And, and then I came out of it and it was just, it was like heaven. So anyway, so yeah, I've witnessed firsthand how important this is. Now, one of the things I did want to bring on the show and ask you about is I've

been seeing this trend talking about menopause and para menopause on tick talk, and it's really taking off and becoming a topic of, of, uh, what people are trying to, I don't know, they're trying to, you know, all sells some coaching bullshit. Tell us about is it, what's the realities of this and the truth behind that? Well, the truth is, is that here at home, one of five, we don't use terms that have no meaning. Perimenopause is a good one that we see a lot on the internet. Like they have these new definitions of what perimenopause is a good one that we see a lot on the internet, like they have these new definitions

of what perimenopause is. Who cares? It doesn't matter what you call it. You measure hormone levels. This is like the 21st century. The history of menopause is interesting because the original words menopause is pausing of your menses.

And that was because in the 1850s, it was illegal for a doctor to touch a woman's genitalia, period. Couldn't do an exam, didn't do pelvic exam, didn't do Papanicolal, didn't do anything. All that he was able to do is get a history. So have you had your period in the last year? No.

Well, then you met a pausal, go to the midwife, we'll get you some concoctions to treat you, period. That was 1850, almost 200 years ago. And they still use terms like that, that have no absolute scientific basis. So what we did was forget those terms. We use them because people use them. But on the other hand, pre-menopause, a seven-year-old girl is pre-menopausal. What does that mean? That's true. I guess what you're thinking about. I have a patient, she's 60 years old. She comes in and says, I'm perimenopausal.

She has no hormones. She's done, but she wants to be perimenopausal because if she's post-menopausal, she feels old. So therefore there's a whole psychological concept that is being pushed by people who know nothing of what they speak. I know welcome to the modern world of the internet. Are you sure? Because the internet seems pretty factual.

Yeah, it is. It's it's where you look for facts. But I do think that the definite I have an article in my newsletter, it said what is menopause anyway, because it doesn't mean anything to me to us here. We look at the objective, we look at the subjective, the history, we look at the objective information that is obtained through blood work. And then we formulate a plan period. Who cares what you call it. It has no meaning except for maybe feeling a touchy feeling sort of thing where I guess I'm pre-metapausal.

Okay. If you want to be pre-metapausal, that's fine. But it doesn't mean anything from my perspective in terms of treating patients. Now we treat hundreds of patients a week and we have yet to have the need to use the word. So, so if I understand you correctly, to clarify your point there, it really is just case by case, individual by individual. What is your, you know, age is a factor in some other factors.

Yeah, that's a good point. But, but, but basically, you know, when your hormones are fucked up, your hormones are fucked up by some sort of well, we try not to put it in those terms, but I would just say if you're out of balance, if you're out of balance, the yin and yang is off, you need to be put not just fix the hormones at a deficient, but also know the ratios of the four different hormones to work, and that's what took me 10 years to figure out. So getting back to your analogy

about paramedicine, post-medicine. In reality though, is that I have patients who were told at 29 years old that they need to see a psychiatrist because they were having metapausal symptoms. They went to the psychiatrist, got put on antidepressants, anti-anxiety medicine, whatever it was, sleeping pill, whatever it was, and didn't help. They just felt sluggish and drugged.

They came to me, we got them off the medication, we checked them, and sure enough, they were having levels that are severely deficient called premature ovarian failure. So I just had a patient today who was told by three doctors that there's nothing wrong with her. This is the problem that we get in medical establishment today. They got three seconds to see the patient because they got to go ahead and get the $6.42 per patient. They don't want to deal with the issues.

The patient says, this is happening to me, ABCDE, and they get lab work. It's normal. Goodbye. Where do they go? The next doctor or psychiatrist. That's the worst thing you can do. You know your body. There are things changing. It could be 28, 38.

It could be whatever age it is, own it, and then find someone who's going to know how to deal with it as opposed to blowing you off and saying, it's fine, it's fine. You know, to me, this is crazy. And in this age, it's crazy stuff. Every day I see it from intelligent doctors. You're fine. What does that mean? You I'm feeling, I'm feeling nine symptoms. I know.

And that's, that's not fine. You know, yeah. So if I'm a woman or a man out there in the audience, uh, in this, it sounds like you're focused on a woman. How do I know? Give me some ideas of what some, how do I know if I'm a woman or a man out there in the audience, and this sounds like you're focused on women, how do I know, give me some ideas of what some, how do I know if I'm having symptoms or if I'm just, you know, just having a bad day where I- Well, there's 26 symptoms associated with female hormone imbalancing that we established. It's from increasing anxiety, depressive moodiness, inability to deal with stress.

We have hot flashes, night sweats, insomnia, brain fog, fatigue. We have vaginal dryness, inability to have intercourse, inability to climax, sexual issues that come into play, both men and women, by the way. I do that most women when I meet them, though. And so that's not only menopause. That's just that's just as chrysophos. You know, you have that effect on them, right? Yeah.

Yeah. The, no, the issue really is about how do you get through the nonsense? And I've learned over the years that what you have to do is throw out all of the nonsense and start from scratch. And that's what we did. So the program is very structured. I have rules and regs, I follow the guidelines, the American College of OB-GYN,

but I especially do not allow the patient's symptoms to go unnoticed. The laboratory testing is very important. We have extremely amount of ability today to measure almost anything. I mean, you know, those that use porcelain toilets, we can measure your porcelain level, make sure you're not porcelain toxic.

For example. Yeah, I just made that up. I made that up, but it sounded good at the time. Okay. I was gonna have that checked because I'm kind of paranoid now. Believe me, half the patients who are here and say, really?

Oh wow, I gotta get my porcelain level checked. A whole new TikTok channel you just created. Exactly. So, but getting back to I was going to finish getting back to the fact that nutrition is very important. And all of them, men and women. Well, very important. Level one nutrition, level two sex hormones, level three, adrenal gland and level four is specific things that happen to the patient, including, believe it or not, the COVID vaccinations. Really? Well, I've seen so many young, healthy people develop premature ovarian failure, premature testosterone deficiencies and young men 20. And the commonality is multiple COVID

vaccinations. Really? A lot. And the literature is full of infertility rising, you know, tremendously. Wow. That's my protein was not a good thing. Let me ask you this. One thing I know. So I have a sectomy. And so one thing I noticed was a lot of my girlfriends that get with me, they can go off the pill.

I'm cut. And so there's no risk. Did they cut one or two? I don't know if they cut one or two they cut that's all I know and I wasn't around for it I was I was asleep the whole time. I I had you make I'd make sure they cut both of them Otherwise every other you're gonna be protected. Well, I seem to have been fine for 40 years or something. Yeah, that's good Yeah, they probably could. Oh, that's good. I'm just making sure. I had 22. Yeah. All right. I lied and told them I had four kids and in Utah that's pretty

normal by 22. So they believe me. But yeah, I mean, it's the best investment I ever made in my life. But one of the challenges they have is they'll go off their birth control and they really enjoy being off of it. They really love it and it seems to balance them. So, I might have a year relationship, a couple of years, a few years relationships with them. And then after we break up, because I'm an asshole, everybody knows that, and it's always my fault because I'm a man. And so they, self accountability, excuse me, sorry, I had a cough there. And, uh, and so they'll, they'll basically, I'm just doing jokes. They basically will have to go back on it with the

new boyfriend and it fucks them up. Like they'll call and tell me, they're like, I'm really fucked up because I had to go back on the pill. And so it's really made me realize, you know, how much that shit messes with their systems, that pill stuff. Well, estrogen dominant, yeah, well that's basically estrogen dominant therapy. So we have a lot of women who are by nature, by genetics, estrogen dominant, which means efficiency of the testosterone, testosterone, too much estrogen. Those are the ones, unfortunately, that are risk for breast cancer and uterine cancer,

obesity, pre-diabetes, all those things. So what we have to do at Hormonify is we have to identify those patients at risk and be especially careful not to give them any estrogen sometimes. We measure them and we give them none and they become balanced. They don't need any more. They're producing a lot in their body by genetics and that happens a lot with women who are developing that what we call a pear-shaped body where they become more broader on the bottom than on the top. And that is what's a sign of estrin dominance. Then we have a condition called polycystic ovarian disease. Whoever's listening to

the show, Chris, I'm sure some of them have that and they're told to be on the birth control pill. Absolutely not. You can be on it for a short period of time and more than three months get you on the hormones you need Which is going to be progesterone mainly deficiency of the chest room causes a lot of the symptoms of estrogen dominance with PCOS patients Well, this is really good for women to know because I've seen the I've seen that you know, they go back on I mean like I remember one of my girlfriend. I think she bled straight for 90 days or something She had a period when she went, she went, she had to go back on the birth control. I was like, Oh my God, this stuff is really,

this stuff really must just. Dr. Mark Saltz Well, we would have treated that differently. We would have treated her with the hormones that she needs to balance her hormones. You know, it's all about yin and yang. It's all about the balancing. And I can see why you have a lot of girlfriends. I can see why you have a lot of girlfriends. I can see that. Yeah, yeah. So talk to us about your remedy. How do people work with you? Can they be anywhere in the nation?

Do they have to come to your clinic? No, we have a tremendous staff. We have people that process everything by phone, by, we have secure video, HIPAA approved, we have in-person. So we have an ability toIPAA approved we have in person Um, so we have an ability to take care of the patient anywhere in the world Um, so we have patients I think now from 18 countries, uh 49 states And i'll give you a bonus chris if you can tell me which state we do not have one patient

Maybe it's going to change after this podcast. Can you guess? One state otherwise we have tons Yeah, one state. Alaska. Correct. Really? Wow, you're the first guy who ever got it. That's fantastic. Alaska.

I was gonna say Hawaii, but then it went with Hawaii. No, we have tons in Hawaii. Alaska, we have no one. Good, I've never had anyone answer that. You're a smart guy. You don't appear that way, but you really are. Why is that? Well, I was thinking too, it's very small.

There's a very small footprint. I don't think women have hot flashes. There are, well, I was thinking too. It's very small. There's a very small foot I don't think women have hot flashes. There are nice sweats. I don't know. Well when it's you know, negative 100 And a lot of guys live alone in the woods, so maybe that's another reason that's that's another reason Erin was you know people too busy being eaten by bears. I think right there. Right. I think that's it. Alaska is a fine place. We don't need to defend our Northern friends. Or maybe now we'll, I don't know if you have any listeners from Alaska, I don't know, but that would be,

it's a very interesting concept. But we see the level of education of the patient going up over time. In other words, if people really study what it is that goes on, that's the ones that come to see us. There's a lot of clinics that come and go near area that are popping up and not popping up. Just for men out there, be very careful of those that are not part of the DEA registry, federal registry, because that means that they're

not qualified to able to use your insurance to pay for your testosterone and that is a red flag because in our on our harmonify in our location all over the country it is covered because we take insurances because we are part of the what's called a DEA federal registry and that's very good to control and can and limit the abuse of testosterone yeah yeah I mean I I've got some friends that they did probably, I don't know, their abuse would be their word, but they do their own thing, if you know what I mean, wink, wink.

It suppresses the adrenal gland, long-term problems are severe. I would say that that's not for us. We don't do that because we have long-term patients. We have patients who are with us for 30 years. So we really don't wanna overtreat because that has other ramifications like suppressing your own production. So in our experience with men, over time, we reduce the testosterone by giving them a group of compounds called adaptogens, which are

specifically helping the body produce and manifest its own testosterone levels. So if we have some in four or five years, then those now is much older than it was four or five years ago. So that's a good way. I don't say it goes to zero, but it can go quite substantially lower. So people can tell how often do you, is that correct then? Yes, absolutely. And then I see in your shop on your website, you've got a lot of

different products and stuff like that. And then you guys make a specific gummy, if I understand it correctly, I forget the term that you use for it. And so people can basically get a customized cocktail from you? Well, the gummy, I don't know if you can see it well, it's a little, each of those squares is one day's dose.

So even though our program is very, very specific, very, very rigid as far as the rules that we follow. Our treatment regimen is extremely individualized, which means you have four groups of hormones. Imagine different levels of four groups of hormones put into the trochee for you. Therefore, if you have to get a, let's say FDA approval for that dosage, it would cost probably $2 million each dosage. Multiply that by a million dosages. That's why, quote, this product is not FDA approved. Yeah, the dosage is not FDA approved, but the product itself is definitely FDA, not

only regulated, overregulated. We have to use the top quality, FDA approved raw materials in our lab. So therefore, the people who say, the academicsians who say well, that's not FDA approved. Insulin levels vary from a hundredth of a milliliter, unit rather, million unit and every single million unit dose of insulin is not FDA approved. But they don't want to apply that to this because of the pharmaceutical industries Lobby, oh when you think about it, why is an insulin big different dosing? What's the study to show that this amount of units is effective and that amount of units is effective? Because it is allowed grandfathered in to allow insulin pumps to be used that change the dose all the time

Same thing with horror. It's a hormone insulin is a hormone So we can get into what, you know, how do you make a hormone? But the bottom line is, is that the individual dosing of our therapy is exactly the same as insulin is to diabetes. You don't know how hard my comedic mind is trying to get over that how to make a hormone joke

and not complete it. So I'll let people fill in the blank on that one. The, what's, you know, I'll let people fill in the blank on that one. I know what we've established here is that there's no set rule on, okay, when you're in menopause and stuff like that, or a hormone imbalance, and it's case by case, et cetera, et cetera. But is there an average age

that people should look at right now of when you should at least get checked even if you don't feel I would I would say when you have if you go on the website you can see the symptomatology if you have these symptoms and you're concerned you should have at least have your levels checked and you need to have an expert because you need to know when in your cycle if you're a female to have the levels checked as men go we have guys 22 years old calling up. They have no testosterone.

Wow. I'm telling you, you cannot tell anymore. If you're having symptoms, don't believe your GP or your doctor to say, oh, you're fine. You know, you're too young for X, Y, Z. That just shows a mass ignorance. And I don't know if they're moronic or idiotic, but to me, this is a lack of understanding so big

that you're getting this area filled with people who know absolutely nothing of what they speak. Completely phony baloney people that make up stuff. And for example, the pellets are a good example. Completely nonsensical in terms of how to treat a woman's lack of hormones by giving them male levels of testosterone. To me, that is not the way to go. It just makes no sense.

And they have some serious complications, serious. So if my adrenal glands went to shit while I didn't have enough free testosterone? Will it come back with me? Well, usually you need to have it measured and based on the measurement, we need to know how to treat. We treat different types of DHEA for men and women to avoid the male side effects of DHEA street. So we have an ability to avoid that with females so that we go ahead and treat both,

but we treat both differently. Yeah. I've been on testosterone now for thinking a year and a half. It's changed my life. I mean, absolutely. I've been able to put on muscle. I've got double the muscle I used to have. I have less injuries. I have less back problems. I feel like 35 again. And, uh, I don't have brain fog. It did do one thing that I was not happy about I Had my ADHD that I've had severely all my life had kind of fallen off probably with the brain fog Like a motherfucker it's that may be the adrenal gland absolutely I see a lot of adhd when you drain the adrenal gland it gets worse so therefore yes those who are connected yes they are that may explain everything and that may be it you should have that check all right call my office i'll i'll i'll take good care i definitely will what was the other question i had for you um

but uh so basically they, they can call you, they can, uh, see you, visit with you, find that. What I do, what I, I have a whole team of practitioners who I trained and what I do is I like to screen every single new patient because I like to make sure we can help them before they either spend the dime or spend any time. Because to me, some people we cannot help, I'd rather not waste the time of our staff and also of them to go through a system and then say we can't help you. So I screen pretty much everyone.

That's what I do a lot of the day, is screening new patients and we chat, we talk. That's the greatest part of my job is I meet people from all over the world, fascinating people. My last quick question for you, we've had people on and we've talked a lot about estrogenics, like parabens and different chemicals that are in soaps and different things like that. Even like, you know, we have antidepressants coming back into our food system from like fish

and other things. Is it, you know, I've been hearing that women have been having periods as young as nine now, they're having them younger because there's so much of this estrogenics in our food and our soaps and all this. Absolutely. So you think with men where it's attacking. Yes, absolutely. There is definitely a significant drop in sperm count in young men. There's a drop, there's a premature development with menstrual cycles in younger and younger women.

They have earlier depressed development, fellarchy, and we see all of that. But most important, most important is that it's much worse than you even think. Really? Yes, it's much worse. We see so many side effects of the chemicals that are in our water supply and our food supply.

I'll give you an example. There was a chicken producer who used to, who used to go on television and say, held up a chicken. He said, we don't, we don't inject our chickens with hormones. I don't remember. I'm not going to mention who it was. It starts with a T anyway. Guess what they were doing?

They were putting that the estrogen in the grain. Ah, so, you know, when you get down to it, you know, we have a lot of marketing issues in this country that is not as present or prevalent as it is. Europe is much better control, much better regulated in terms of the estrogenics in our food supply. I'll just leave it at that, which is why they don't want to take a lot of our food, estrogenics in our food supply. I'll just leave it at that. Which is why they don't want to take a lot of our food because they know it contains a lot of hormones.

Yeah. And it's crazy. I think some of the times they want hormones in food so they can get that dopamine hit that kind of is addictive. No, I don't know if that's been proven, but I do know that it makes the chicken fatter. It makes, you know, it does all sorts of good things for their bottom line.

And you try to eat as much hormone free food as you can And basically for especially for women that are having estrogen dominance You have to balance your hormones with the proper balancing of the gestural testosterone adrenal gland And that makes you counteract some of the effects of the food supply because who can afford organic chicken hormone free? It's like $10 a pound. You know, that's crazy. It's getting crazy. Now that definitely is, you know, I, I, I hear a lot of people tell me, uh, I, I run huge dating groups with like 5,000 people and, and, uh, menopause is a

discussion because it's hard to date someone when, when they're in the throes of menopausal conditions. You know, someone I've dated some, I've gone on a date where someone has a hot flash in the car in the middle of winter and you have to open all the windows in the air conditioner. It's a little hard to date people at that. I mean, my married friends,

they're with their ride and die people. Well, in my experience, one of the most common reasons women come in to see us is that their husbands or boyfriends tell them they can't have sex with them and They their vagina is so dry and it hurts It's terrible experience and so intimacy becomes an issue and women do want to be intimate with their person They love so that is a very common issue And of course the men sometimes do encourage them to come in. But most of the time,

that's a big, big issue. You know, they just are so affected by lack of hormones and the scare that is out there, which is false that taking hormones, that's the capital H is going to cause breast cancer. It's the opposite. If it's properly balanced, you can eliminate breast cancer risk way below the norm. So that is a scare tactic. It's not real. I, and I, uh, I advise most all men and women to look into this. I mean, I've seen, you know, I've had girlfriends that don't track their period and I have to track them for him.

I'm like, why is this my job? And uh, you know, I'm like, you should be tracking it. It's important for your hormones, but it's important for guys to know this too. Like in our, in my big dating groups, I have at least two women that have told me that they, you know, they're readily admit their self accountable that they destroyed their last marriage with because they weren't balancing. They didn't even understand they were in menopause. I have a, I have a, I have a divorce, divorce judge here in Palm Beach County in Florida who I take care of his wife

and he said I should send everyone to you as opposed to sending them to the four hour mandatory class they have, you know, that they have to take. So you know, I would probably hear more if you look at divorce statistics, there's a spike between women age 48 to 55. And it's not coincidental. It's real. You see a lot of other spikes, by the way, autoimmune disease. You see a spike with lupus, for example, you see a lot of interesting things that people

are not dealing with, because they don't know how to deal with it. I had to learn how to do it myself. And that's what makes hermonephi so special because i created the formulations people copy me all the time you know and but when there's a problem they don't know which way to go do i go up here go down here so to me this was why hermonephi is so successful which is why i'm here to educate the american population so that we become better educated can make better choices and actually save money, avoid disease, live happier, more intimacy.

It's all good. I'm all for, uh, no more disease. I'm, I'm on that. I'm you. Yup. Prevention. One dollar you spend for prevention. You save a hundred dollars to the system.

Uh, so tell people how they can onboard you with dot coms. They can go to find out more, et cetera, et cetera, as we go out. Well, we are modified.com is the place. I mean, we love the website. It's very educational based. You can put in a little information. We will contact you and set up a pre-consult, we call it, which is no charge, just to see how you're doing,

what's your symptoms, what can we do to help you. And then we'll assign you to the proper nurse practitioner, or sometimes sometimes it's complicated and I will be the one taking care of you. So it's a very personalized office. We have great staff. Everybody is wonderful and they love what they do and we're changing people's lives and we hope that your listeners take the benefit of you and I's conversation. And hopefully we educated some people and dispelled some stuff. You know, we don't platform conspiracy and awareness in here, we try and get the facts and the science. So, I'm kind of weird that way. That's probably why we don't have as many listeners as some of the big podcasts because they platform some craziness. But, you know, we try and get it right. And people should know this. I mean, I, I thought I was flying good with testosterone cause you know, I mean,

everything was working in the bedroom and you know, I've never been married all my life. I've been running around in Las Vegas. So, you know, I've, I've been pretty active on purpose to make sure, you know, my dad had prostate problems when he was, I think 45 in his late forties, but he was in two dead sexless marriages. So I don't know if conditioning help, but you know, I, I'm 57. I don't seem to be having any inclination or problems, or at least that's what my clinic is telling me. So, uh, but this is, this is stuff you need to get checked out people.

I mean, it is made and, and I am surprised when I go into the clinics, how young. People are men are that are in there, even women. I'm just like, Jesus, wow. But on the other hand, we have women coming in in their 80s because they have osteoporosis. We cure their osteoporosis. Really? Yes. Because they come in in their 80s, their daughters bring them in, the doctors refer them and they have osteoporosis. They can't take those poisons and we cure them osteoporosis, they live seven more years. So in other words, that's the key. The key is to understand the etiology of disease.

And the questions you ask your doctor when they give you a medication is, if I take this medication, what is the outcome? Which means not just what happens with the bone scan. Will there be less fractures? So you got to ask the right questions. So if you have a question that you want to ask your doctor, call me. I'll tell you at least the right questions to ask whether you should be taking those poisons or not. But the best thing is to be on no chronic medication, period. They're all poisons to some degree. That's what medicine

is. Thank you very much for coming to show. We really appreciate it, doctor. Thank you very much. Okay. Thanks thanks so much for tuning in. Go to goodres.com, Fortress, Chris Foss, linkedin.com, Fortress, Chris Foss, Chris Foss, one of the TikTok, and all those crazy places in the internet. Be good to each other, stay safe. We'll see you guys next time.

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