The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Unveiling Hormone Therapy’s Benefits with Ryan Root

Episode Date: January 17, 2026

Unveiling Hormone Therapy’s Benefits with Ryan Root Hormonesforme.com Goh4m.com About the Guest(s): Ryan Root is the co-founder and CEO of HormonesForMe.com, a nationwide hormone replacement therapy (HRT) clinic with 50-state coverage. With over 20 years of experience in the industry, Ryan has successfully helped over 25,000 people achieve hormonal balance. His vast knowledge spans biochemistry and hormones, making him a leader in offering innovative HRT solutions. Ryan also hosts the Dope Martian podcast, where he explores genetic testing and optimization products and services. Episode Summary: In this energizing episode of The Chris Voss Show, Chris Voss delves into the intricacies of hormone replacement therapy with Ryan Root, CEO of HormonesForMe.com. With a remarkable 20 years of experience, Ryan sheds light on the critical role hormones like testosterone play in maintaining health and vitality, regardless of age or gender. Through engaging discussions, the episode demystifies the stigma surrounding testosterone therapy and emphasizes the groundbreaking benefits of achieving hormonal balance. With keywords like “testosterone replacement therapy,” “hormonal balance,” and “HRT benefits,” the episode provides insightful perspective on how environmental toxins and lifestyle factors affect our hormonal levels. Ryan elucidates why maintaining optimal hormone levels can significantly enhance life quality, improve energy, and even extend lifespan. He challenges the misconceptions present in mainstream medical narratives and advocates for personalized, data-driven approaches to hormone therapy, emphasizing the importance of informed and preventative healthcare. Key Takeaways: Hormones such as testosterone are crucial for both men and women and play a vital role in overall health and quality of life. Environmental toxins significantly lower hormone levels, making hormone replacement therapy essential for many individuals. Evidence debunking common myths about testosterone therapy shows it can reduce risks of cardiovascular diseases and improve mental well-being. Personalized hormone therapy, supported by comprehensive blood work and genetic testing, is key to achieving optimal health outcomes. Holistic approaches that include lifestyle changes, like exercise and nutrition counseling, enhance the benefits of hormone therapy. Notable Quotes: “Testosterone, SDI, and progesterone are some of the most beneficial medications in the history of medications.” – Ryan Root “The range is completely arbitrary. It’s rooted in nothing real.” – Ryan Root “Everybody is very unique. We have customized protocols.” – Ryan Root “It’s about developing a methodology to figure out what yields the best results for each individual.” – Ryan Root “When couples do HRT together, you should do it together.” – Ryan Root

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Today we're going to be talking to about his insights, his company, and maybe how he can help you as well. Today we are joined by a wonderful young man. His name is Ryan Root. And Ryan, give us your title and what company it is you work with or you have. Yeah, sure. I am the CEO of HormonesforMe.com. and it's a HRT clinic that has 50 state coverage. We're nationwide.

We also have a what we're calling a dope Martian podcast, dope Martian, dole-in optimization products and services, including genetic testing and a podcast that's really going to be informative. We have a podcast for hormones for me, too, that is also very informative about hormones. I like how you don't discriminate. Because, you know, Martians need dope too. Yeah. They need to be dope or whatever,

blingo is he knows what it cans there. People can check that on the websites. There's a big YouTube channel for the dope podcast, correct? Yes. There's a YouTube channel for a dope Martian and a YouTube channel for hormones for me. So how do we make these moans? Wait, never mind.

How do we, give us a 30,000 overview. What's on your website and all that good stuff? Sure. So the hormones for me.com website is basically functional treatment, right? So it's going to lead you into treatment. It's going to lead you into our products and services and some education about, and our platform across social media is also about education, about hormones and about, you know, symptoms of when you may need hormones and what they'll do for you.

And all that good stuff. So why are hormones important? What are these hormones and what's going on with them? And which store do I go to buy these things? The hormones, that is. So hormones are foundational signals, right? The hormones are. So when we think about testosterone, estradiol and progesterone, they are in every single vertebrate.

They're in most plants and they're in even some. Like even bacteria and things like that. But in every single. So it's a foundational hormone in hundreds of millions of years of evolution. And there's a fundamental foundational problem with the understanding of hormones among the medical community. The providers do not learn about these in medical school. It is not in their curriculum. There has also been a, they have been demonized and stigmatized.

And there's many reasons why there's a coalition of factors that came together to, to demonize and stigmatize these when it turns out that testosterone estrogen are some of the most beneficial medications in the history of medication what i want anybody to understand from this who watches this or listens to this podcast is that that because of the the foundational nature and it being one of the most beneficial medications that um and because of uh current environmental toxins, right? The current state that we live in environmental toxins, they've been proven to be phallates, you know, different, let's see, and plants, pesticides,

right? She's like, pesticides, herbicides, it's in the food you eat, the water you drink, the soap you use, there's even receipts, the inks-en receipts, these all been proven endocrine disruptors, right? So all these environmental toxins are really significantly reducing people's hormones throughout the world, right? So there it's a it's a pervasive problem much more so than than people realize. And and so if you're, you know, many people and that's at a certain age, everybody is going, should be on on hormones whether testosterone if you're male, testosterone, estrogen estrogen estrogen and progesterone if you're female.

And certainly each everybody should be on these. And another thing, again, the demonization and stigmatization, people there has been, they've been unfairly characterized as potentially risky or dangerous. Every single risk factor has now been debunked. Testosterone in therapeutic doses is not dangerous at all. No danger whatsoever. There is no risk. It is purely beneficial.

The FDA has recently taken off the blackbacked warning for the potential increased risk of cardiovascular disease because it never increased a risk. cardiovascular disease. It's actually cardioprotective. They take off the black box warning for women's HRT, indicating that there's no increased risk of cancer. There's no increased risk of blood clots. Every risk factor has been debunked. Very beneficial. I've seen testosterone get people off of blood pressure medications, off of cholesterol medications, off of SSRIs and depression medications because it's

dopamine urgic. It gives you a good sense of well-being and motivation. I've seen to get people off of pain. medications including opioids because it's systemically into inflammatory and joy pain. It improves cognition. There's androgen and estrogen receptors all throughout your brain. Improves cognition, reduces the

incidence of of what's that what's that disease where you forget. See, I forgot. Alzheimer's kicking in there, dementia. I have a too. I need some more estrogen. So Alzheimer's,

addiction and Alzheimer's balance, right? So one of the reasons as people age, as people age, some of the reason for the decline that you see in nursing homes is mostly hormone deficiency. Hormones are metabolic signals. And when your hormones are low, your body will actually use your own body's proteins as a primary source of energy over your fat stores. So you literally eat yourself. And that's why the muscle degrades and people just start declining. Yeah.

And so hormones change your metabolic, change your metabolism to preserve muscle mass, build muscle mass, build proteins, and use your fat stores as a primary source of energy. So there's also angrient receptors in your serobarolm that are for balance, right? This is also why, as you get older, you're more of a full risk. You actually lose your balance because your angiore receptor is, you don't have enough testosterone for balance. So when we give older people testosterone, their balance gets better. they have less of a fall risk for that and testosterone strengthens bones. So if you do fall,

then there's a much less chance that you'll the most less fracture risk. Oh, wow. That's important for like, you know, when old ladies get, what's that, things with their bones get brittle and stuff? Yeah, osteoporosis. That's correct.

You said that. I should. The end of the day. I'm clearly suffering for Alzheimer's too. Yeah, we both. We both having a brain fog. We need more testosterone. Yeah.

I was talking to you about the pre-show, and my audience just heard me talk about this before, but I had been working out for like two, three years, I think, at the gym, and I made a lot of progress, but I couldn't get beyond a certain point, and I just couldn't build definition, and at a certain point, you know, I was starting to pull injuries. You know, I have to take breaks and stuff. And, you know, I was a lot of information. And inflammation will cause your tendons and ligaments to rub against bone,

and that's when you get these straining injuries. I hate that, tendons against bone. Anything rubbing against bone gets to me. Yeah. So I, you know, we had a lot of people on that it talked about testosterone, different things, and for years I've been like, I should just go check. And I tried taking a lot of herbal bullshit. I'm interested in your opinion on this, but I took a lot of herbal stuff that's supposed

to raise your testosterone. You know, like St. John's Warder, you know the ones I'm talking about, Fedaggio and, you know, all those herbal things. That didn't seem to help much. And then I finally went in and got tested. And they're like, yeah, you're at like 300 on your testosterone. You have almost zero free testosterone. So that's why you're not building muscle because, you know, you have that extra. You know, you're just barely functioning.

And so what are your thoughts on? know, people who try and herbalize the supplement-wise, the testosterone replacement, as opposed to just getting it done. Yeah. So, so again, just a little bit so people understand my vast amount of experiences. I've been in this industry for over 20 years. I've successfully got it over 25,000 people. Oh, wow.

So I've experienced this at an incredibly vast level. So what you experience is what I see most often. I see this all the time. The testosterone boosters just do not actually boost testosterone. It's supposed to be these natural herbs. Now, there's a reason why your hypothalamus is declining. The pituitary gland is declining, and the receptors and the testicles that actually produced testosterone is declining. And these natural boosters just don't help, you know, the organs actually function properly.

What I would say is we would be remiss if we didn't at least offer, younger people because so believe it or not one of the stigmas is that people and their younger people don't need testosterone there's no way somebody somebody in their 20s or 30s needs testosterone and that their testosterone is low

and that they actually need testosterone it's a hormone right people have diabetes insulin is a hormone if people have diabetes we give them insulin if people's thyroid is low they have hypothyroidism and we give them we give them thyroid medication no matter what age they are

Why have people's testosterone as long no matter what age of there are, wouldn't we give people testosterone? It's just stigmatized, right? So with the current environmental toxins, the pervasive nature of hormone deficiency, we're seeing people in their 20s with very low testosterone who need testosterone, right? So now if we get a younger person, we would be remiss if we didn't at least offer some of these things that may stimulate natural production and dangerous production of testosterone. And we have certain things that we can offer people. What I see most often with younger people, and especially with older people, you know, even, I mean, people are starting to, you start to decline in your 20s, right?

And through your 30s, you're declining. And by the time you're 35, 40, especially 45, then you probably need to be on testosterone. Wow. So as you get older, these, yeah, these natural remedies just are not going to help and just just start taking the testosterone. It's the best, most effective, what dramatically improves people's quality of life, is just taking directly testosterone. It did me, man, when I made that switchover. You know, we had an author on the show years ago who did a book about estrogenics,

and we've got a few people that talked about it as well. What he covered was how there's so many these estrogenics now, paraben wax, pherombs and other things, and they're in our soaps primarily. they're in our foods, they're in everything. And there's such a flood of this hitting our system from so many different angles that men's testosterone has fallen and their estrogen, of course, has risen,

which you may explain where they're always crying all the time. And then women's estrogen has soared because of it to where girls as young as nine, instead of like 11 or 12, girls as young as nine are getting their periods. And they think that that's something that's causing this huge thing where men much younger than you used to be need to get testosterone therapy.

Any thoughts on that from you? Yeah, yeah. They're endocrine disruptors, whether it be, just like you're saying, right, they call them phyto. A lot of it is called phytoestrogens, right? You're right, it's in soaps. So, yeah, they, you know, estrogen, if you have these estrogens that are agonizing estrogen receptors, what it does is there's estrogen receptors in your hypothoids. And your hypothalamus kind of controls all of your hormone levels.

And it reads your current hormone levels and then decides whether or not you need more. So it shuts off or turns on production of the hormones. So when you have these phytoestrogens that are agonizing the receptors in your hypothalamus, your body will naturally shut that. Well, so in men, the way that we get estradiols through the conversion of testosterone. Ticestrone, and it happens that way in females too, but they have specialized sex that actually where testosterone converts the estrogen and then it becomes. comes an endocrine hormone. It goes in their bloodstream.

And where men, it's more of what we call paracrine hormone, where testosterone is converted to estrogen in the individual cells where we need it. So this is another, one of the biggest bouts of misinformation is information is that testosterone is that testosterone is that hormone. It's just ridiculous. Yeah, because we both have it, right? We both have it. We both eat females' most dominant sex steroid is testosterone. Females have 10 times more testosterone than they have estrogen. Really?

The reason it doesn't look that way in the lab is because of the, you know, units, right? So it's... Eneagrams per deciliter. Estrogen is measured in picograms per milliliter. But if you normalize those two units, then you have 10 times more testosterone. Females have 10 times more testosterone than they do rest of it. I'm going to have them lift more stuff then for me.

Yeah, exactly. I'm going to call them one. I need more work with all that. Let these. It's moving over here. Can you open the door for me? We have a lot of testosterone. So much testosterone. You don't even... I believe in a quality.

But no, I mean, You know, one of the things I have is I have a huge 5,000 member dating group that we have on Facebook and on Meetup.com, we hold events for them. And in talking to the women that are in menopause, you know, 45, 50 plus, even pre-menopause, paramedopause, that's one of the things they need to try and help them get through those periods in the old age, right? And I think a lot of them, they need fix up that way. Absolutely. And females need testosterone. So we give all over our HRT patients, testosterone. We don't have a patient that's not on testosterone, a female patient on testosterone.

So it's vital. It's absolutely vital. It has the same benefits for females that it does men. And I mean, obviously, there's just a difference in the dosing. But they absolutely need females. Hallie Berry famously, just like probably six months ago around there, she came on a podcast and said, I use testosterone. It's massively beneficial.

You should all look at. you look at utilizing testosterone as well. He started to popularize it for females. And now we have, now we have, there's some, the urologist, Kelly Casperson, right, is a famous urologist that works with the FDA, and she's trying to get an FDA-approved version of testosterone for females. Oh. So it's, the education is coming, is moving in the positive direction,

but it's just, it was so demonized and stigmatized for so long, and it's got a long way to go. Yeah. Well, I think if you tell women, you know, hey, we need to give you more testosterone. They're like, what? I mean, it's huge, you know. Yeah, and it's just because of indoctrination, right? Yeah.

Testosterone's a male hormone. You can look up at Harvard Medical. You go there right now. As Harvard Medical, what testosterone? It will say the male hormone. It's just ridiculous. Yeah, yeah. There's no reason that gender specify these hormones.

Just because men have more, doesn't that mean that it's just, it's just a male hormone. Like, it's vital. If you think about it in terms of females have less of it. So fluctuations, they notice more, right? So if they have this little fluctuation, then they'll notice that more. Then, you know, male has so much, a little fluctuation, you don't really notice as much. Yeah.

You just get those morning tents in the bed. Yeah. No, I've heard a lot of women, in getting more testosterone, it's actually taken their marriages where maybe they have a very, dead sex drive and they're not very they're kind of lethargic and stuff suddenly they just turn into a 30 year old young lady again and their husbands

love it so there's something about this. We've done a so we did some podcasts on couples doing HRT together one of the things like when TRT was 15 or 10 years ago and TR2s were acceptable for men you'd have just the male doing

testosterone and placement therapy and then he feels a lot better. He's more motivated. He's got a huge libido. He's doing better at life. He's looking better because his body's recumping. He's getting to the gym more. And then the female feels left behind. And that can create some, you can homosity, right? Some disparity in the way they feel. And I've seen that be a problem. When when couples do HRT together, you should do it together. Then you're both progressing. You're both have, you're doing this thing together. And you're both, you both get to enjoy advantage. and progressing and feeling better together, and it brings people closer together.

We did a whole show on it where we looked at a bunch of different couples who were doing it together. We went through Reddit and found these Reddit posts where these couples were doing it together, how much closer about them together. So, yeah, it's important. It's important for both of you do it together and then, you know, people feel closer together. Their sex life improves everything. Yeah. Sex life is good because, like I say, I've always operated.

I mean, young, I kind of figured this out. I was like, yeah, it seems like when you stop using those organs that you seem to have a shorter lifespan. And basically, I mean, it makes sense. The universe goes, hey, man, you know, we need you to procreate or at least take care of the kids. But you've got to take in all that. You got the kids out of the house. And we're going to move you along. Yeah.

So I'm like, I want to be chasing the girlfriends around the bedroom until I'm 110. 110, yeah. Well, if you think about it this way, you make a really good point. And if you think about it this way, that we evolved, one of the main reasons for, one of the main meanings of life, right? The reasons for living is to continue our species. So that's why libido and procreating is utmost importance. It's why you have such a high libido.

And by the way, this is a whole other thing. I'll get to it a second. So libido is very important, and it's a sign of health. one of the last things to go is your libido because you need to procreate and continue the species. And even when you start to become a little unhealthy, you'll still have a libido. When your libido goes, it's one of the last things to go. It's a sign of really your health is really failing. Really feeling.

So we see it all the time. We have females no libido, right? And we give them some testosterone. It's not that it's not just that the testosterone just directly affects libido centers of your brain. It's not what it is. It's health. That's their testosterone, there's antireceptors inside endothelial cells. And when you agonize these, it creates NO2, which dilates blood vessels.

So there's more blood flow to the brain. More blood flow brings more nutrients, more oxygen. So that's a big factor of why your libido increases too. You're healthier. Your brain's healthier, getting more blood nutrients, right? And also, we start reversing metabolic disorder. We prove insulin sensitivity. Testosterone improves insulin sensitivity, right?

It reverses diabetes. It reverses metabolic disorder. Everything just starts improving and that health just kicks in and your libido kicks on too. For me, the one benefit that I had no idea that was going on was I was living in brain fog. And I'd reached the point where I would go to bed and I would just be like, I was just here five minutes ago getting out of bed. What the fuck happened today? And I was just barely functioning doing the basics. I mean, you can, you know, we do three podcasts today.

You can measure what, you know, I did something. Yeah. But I wasn't getting the like those bonus things like you want to do. You're like, hey, I got some things I'm going to work on when I get some time. And I just felt like just a driven mule. And I literally crawled to bed and I would sit there and be like, what happened today? And the third day, you know, when they gave me the clinic shot in my butt, the third day when it all stopped, you know, the heaviness, the most of it dropped, I started coming out of brain fog. And I remember doing the podcast on a Monday.

It was like 11 a.m. It was the first show. And I did it. And I was like, oh, thank God it's midweek, because I'm tired of this already. And I looked at the clock in the calendar, and I was like, why the fuck isn't it Wednesday right now? What is going? What?

It should be Wednesday right now. And then the second show I came out of, and I was thinking, oh, yeah, now it's got to be Wednesday or midweek. And then I was like, it's still month? And then I did the third show in the afternoon and I got done. And my brain was literally going, oh, thank God, it's Friday. Weekends here. We're good to go.

I mean, I had a weak brain fog delay system going on. And then I spent the rest of the week just going, why the fuck is it still the day? And then I went on my, I was supposed to, I was in between podcasts on, I think the Tuesday. And my dogs wanted to play. And so I'm like, okay, well, I'm going to go play with them for a, a half an hour, and then I got to do the show. So I went and play with them. I even like scrolling TikTok, you know, going through stuff.

And then I'm like, okay, it's been a half an hour. I'm going to go get on the podcast. I looked at my watch and it had been 10 minutes. And I was like, I know I've been here for 30 minutes. And I'm like, what is, what the fuck is going on? And it's like living in a weird world all of a sudden. And then I said, okay, well, I'm going to play with my dogs for 30 minutes again. and fuck it.

There'll be bonus for them. So I did that. And then I looked at my watch and I'm like, it's 30 minutes. It's been five. And suddenly, the time slowed down and like I could hold every minute. And I could be like, I want to do something. Okay, well, I did that. Oh, that only took five minutes.

I have the rest of the day. You know, and I was living in this fierce brain fog. And it was so great. So let's talk about some of your, some of your, some of your offerings on your website. What do you do for people? Walk us through the process of how people can engage with you and utilize your service is what you do for them. Sure. So the first thing we do is like a lot of people are reticent. You know, they're not, again, because they've been inculcated their whole life. Testosterone may be bad. It's risky. It's really not at all. People shouldn't

be reticent to start. If you have symptoms or have a gubernism, there's no risk. And and starting a regimen of testosterone. But people are, and we get that. So the first thing we'll do is, the first thing I say is let's get blood work and let's, let's aggregate all of the information that we need, and let's talk about it. We'll give you a deep consultation, right? And we don't charge anything for that. You just, you sign up, you go through the process to get your blood work.

If you have blood work, we'll take it. We have third-party blood work companies that work with us to give our patients discounts, very, very fairly priced blood work. If you don't have it already, and we just get your blood work and and we'll go over it with you. Yeah. I've been telling my blood to get a job for a while

so I need to go to work for me. Blood work, because it's not paying rent very well. Well, so then we'll give you a thorough consultation and then just give you a opinion and what would make you feel better. And then we make the process easy to get a telemedicine. You meet with a provider, the provider will go over everything

over your blood work and go everything. prescribing the medication, and it's just shipped right to your door. Oh, wow. We show up in a week, and it ships to your door. We have education and how to take it, like, everything to do. There's all kinds of routes of menstruation. We explain everything you. We talk to you, make sure that we understand what you're comfortable with

and, you know, tell you what we think you should do. So within there, there's also genetic testing, right? So let me give you an example. I had a patient recently come to me from, she was at a different clinic, actually. She wasn't with us. And she came to us. She had had a stroke not too long ago. She was only in her 50s.

She had a stroke. And then her clinic kind of freaked out. They wanted to reduce her doses and everything. And hormones don't cause strokes. That's not, like, that's been debunked. There's clear, there's no, there's been plenty of studies, no evidence that. In fact, testosterone reduces blood clots. Yeah, you think it would.

Yeah. Clotting factors. It reduces clouding factors. So we knew it wasn't that. And so, you know, her medical team was working with her. And I said, well, they have to do all these clotting factors. The only reason somebody in their 50s would have a blood clot is if they have a genetic predisposition for a clotting disorder, a mutation. So we say, your general practitioner should run all these tests for it.

And so they did. And sure enough, she had a few of these cladding. mutations, right? It was like an antithrombin and a thrombin mutation. Wow. So those are cladding factors. So, and so immediately, I'm like, why, why did we have to wait till she had a stroke to test for these? Oh, God.

Everybody, everybody should, this should be like a baseline test when you're, it doesn't matter when when you're, it's in your genes, right? We can test you at a teenager. We can test you in your 20s. Like, just to, to know if you have this. And then we could have put her on a proper protocol to mitigate the clotting risk with blood thinner. We could already had her on a mild dose of a blood thinner, right? So why didn't we test for this? Also, MTHR, the motherfucker gene, right?

It's not super uncommon for people to have this. And if you don't process B vitamins correctly, so if you don't take the proper methylated B vitamins, then you can live a life of despair with no energy, just this insensitive. this insane fatigue. It's just a genetic disorder. We have a genetic test for it. Why doesn't everybody test for this? Why is this a common thing that you test for in your teens to see if you have this genetic mutation?

And then you know how to set the rest of your life up. Instead, people have to sit there and live these lives of disparity. And go, something's wrong. And someday down the road, maybe you'll get tested for it if you have a provider that will do it. Or maybe you'll never know, live this life of, of, you. massive fatigue and lethargy and you never knew whack. Oh.

So why aren't we testing everybody for these things? Also the BRCA, the BRCA mutation for increased cancer risk. Like, why doesn't everybody just know this? There's some things you can do if you know you have these genetic disorders. So what we're doing is we'll have all of this ready for you and we make it as affordable as possible. A lot of them are not that expensive. And everybody will be able to test for mutations so you can know and set your life up properly based on all this knowledge.

Like, why isn't this common? Why aren't we doing preventative medicine and everybody in their teens are testing for all of these mutations that we know cause problems as you get older? And you can prevent strokes. You can prevent cancer. You can prevent utter fatigue. So that's what we're doing. So we'll have all of these options available.

We're going to have, and it's all about a lifestyle as well. Like, you know, when you started taking testosterone, right, it's, it helps its dopamine, It gets you motivated and energy and things get better, but I bet you you also wanted to go exercise more, right? And you went, no. Oh, I started developing muscle. I couldn't develop my chest at all. Yeah, right. I could not get my chest to work.

And as soon as I did, my chest started filling in and gearing up. And yeah, it was great. And then I got hernius. I got one of those bad bodies that loves her. But it did help, and I still have a lot of that base. Yeah. So long-term health, preventative health, it's about lifestyle change. So testosterone is the foundational step.

Get your testosterone in the right order. That will actually motivate you to want to go do other things to lose weight. Get to the gym. And then, you know, what I usually say is, you know, if people are obese, like it's been, it was an antiquated notion that you don't give obese people testosterone because if you lose weight, then your testosterone. Really? It is.

It's like the medical community. believes that and we find it not to be true people who people who are overweight lose the it's the chicken before the egg like it used to be thought well you're your you're fat so therefore your testosterone is low stop being fat and then your testosterone will raise and we find it it's not true it's actually you went into metabolic disorder because your testosterone was low first and that's what made you gain weight this is why people as they age keep getting getting getting getting weight and and so they just say stop being fat and your testosterone is how How long have we just told people to stop being fat?

And how much is that work? That's been failing since the beginning of obesity. It's like the war on drugs at this point. Yeah, exactly. It's been facing since the beginning. So we have to come up with other solutions. Get people testosterone. They become, it increases tyrosine hydroxylase, which increases dopamine, serotonin,

norophenephrine, epinephrine. It gives you energy and motivation and a sense of well-being to get up and do better for yourself. So now you start going to the gym, you see some results in the gym. That's also a dopidinergic. Now you're building something. And you're like, okay, I'm liking what I'm seeing. It makes you want to put down the donuts, put down the cake, and get to the gym more and more. And then we've built long-term health.

So we have that platform. We're going to teach you. We have personal trainers. We're going to teach you how to exercise. We have nutritionists, registered dietitian and nutritionists. We're going to teach you how to eat, how to eat properly, how to reverse metabolic disorder. So it's the whole lifestyle. It's not just here.

Most clinics now just take testosterone and get out of here and boot you out the door and hope everything goes well. We're going to show you everything. Awesome. Now, one of the arguments I always have with my clinic, I've got one of those clinics and I don't know if you want to throw some shade or, you know, show your competitive advantage over, say, the localized clinics over, you know, working directly with you guys. but you know one of the things they have is like they want me to stay in the hundreds uh i've gone up to 1100 accidentally through their thing and they i did i feel like i'm the fucking bucks there's no but then they're like uh you might get prostate cancer colon cancer yeah we got to take you down to eight to 900 i'm like no i really love it up here and uh what are what are some

differences for you guys and working with one of those pop-up places yeah so we we because we go the data and we have the most knowledge of any clinic in the entire country. You know, I have a unique history. I got in this at the very young age and I made my entire life about this at the very young age. I studied biochemistry and hormones in college. I've been in this industry for, again, over 20 years of success. We got a 25,000 people through the use of hormones. I've just aggregated more empirical data than just about anybody else in the country,

probably the world, just because of my unique history of getting into this at a very young agents doing nothing but this study solely this field. So there's just, there's just massive data that we've aggregated. And what we find is that the most consistent benefits come from just testosterone levels that exceed the normal range. And if you feel, so provide, again, providers, there's a fundamental foundational problem with the education of providers regarding hormones.

They do not learn about this in medical school. So they have a fear of the unknown, right? They don't know what testosterone above this quote unquote range, this normal range will do so they're afraid of it and they and they don't they don't understand it and they're and so they they actually have worse protocols. The range is completely arbitrary. It's rooted in nothing real. There was no science done to show this is, yes, inside this range is where all the biochemical

reactions are happening properly and anything outside this range is dangerous. That's not where the ranges come from. It comes from the testosterone range comes from four studies. All it did was find an average of these studies and then they used a statistical equation. statistics, not science. Statistical equation to come up with a percentile outside of this range. So it's just statistics and math, not science and where are your biochemical reactions happening properly. And they come up with this big, large, huge range. And what we find in studies and what we see from the data is the middle to lower quartiles of the range, people are actually suffering

from hypogonitis and we're low testosterone. They have metabolic disorder, depressive disorders. all the problems are starting middle to lower quartiles. You want to be the top or a little bit above the range. And that's where the most consistent benefits are. There are no silent killers. There has been widely debunked that you could get prostate cancer. That has been completely debunked. There is no risk of prostate cancer.

Debunked. We give the urologist. God, I'm going to forget his name now. Man, I need more succession. My brain. How we both do you probably. I'm going to get mine yesterday. It hasn't kicked in yet.

I know. He's a renowned rheologist, Abraham. I'm going to pour some of my coffee here. That's usually how I take my attention. He gives his prostate cancer patients testosterone. He's never seen, he's been doing it for many years. And he's never seen any increased in the progression of the prostate cancer. You've never seen any issue with giving them, giving,

them testosterone while they have prostate cancer. Never. And so it's been completely debarct. Cardiovascular disease, testosterone is cardioprotective. If you take testosterone and therapeutic doses, you reduce the risk of cardiovascular disease. There's a study done in 2022 in this business, we call it the Finnish study. Largest study over the longest period done, it was done on 70,000 men. There was a control group with no people who do not use TRT and people who do use. The The end result of the study was that people who take testosterone have lower all cause mortality than people who do not take testosterone. Holy shit. People who do take testosterone to live longer than people who don't.

And this is just a fact now. It's an absolute fact. So, you know, so that's a part of what we do. We have to normalize the discussion. We have to debunk the mess. We have to throw it in people's face that. Listen, you've learned the wrong thing for decades. Yeah.

Maybe they keep you low so they keep you coming. back maybe I don't know so if you so okay when you start to look at the facts right I'm not a conspiracy theorist I really I don't like conspiracy like going off in these crazy directions when you lay out the facts and I have a few videos where we've laid out all the facts it really looks like there was some intentional suppression of testosterone again when we start when I told you all of the conditions that testosterone reverses the the drug companies make a lot of money on those conditions, blood pressure medications, cholesterol medications. Oh, yeah.

Number one, everybody's on a stanton. Yeah. So when we get people off of those with testosterone, we're really hitting the bank accounts of the drug companies. So it can go pretty deep. But when you just lay out all the facts, you're like, okay, it really looks like something. Something fishy is going on here. Why is one of the most beneficial medications in the history of medications so stigmatized?

It wasn't in the 60s when they started developing testosterone. Testostero was actually started to be commercialized in the 30s. And through the 60s, it was actually there's a lot of studies showing a lot of benefits. And that's when they started creating all the other things like Nandrolone and Axangeloan. Roxandolone, did you say? Yeah, Axangeline is. Oh, Sanderlone. I thought you were leaving a song with the police.

Roxanne. I'm just. You can play. you can play with the testosterone molecule and you get other androgens. Ah. And that's where like some of the other, you know, some of the other steroids come from. One of the ways I cheat them is, and they're always like, why is he so high? I get a double dose of, what's the 8Net and sod h or T?

It's the thing that makes your ball, it tells your balls, the signals your balls. Oh, HG. HG. I get a double dose of HG. actually it allows me to cheat. I end up with more testosterone. Yeah, so what is your protocol? Are you, I don't, I don't know what the, and we'll probably talk after the show about this, because I've been looking to quit doing this, because I'm tired of driving the clinic.

It's about four, it's about 400 bucks a month. I don't know the dose of it. You know how much less it is through us? Like we try to be one of the most competitive companies in the, in the country. I guarantee I can run circles around anybody in the clinic that you're using. Knowledge and understanding how to do this. Plus, we'll let you stay at 1100. We'll monitor the rest of your markers, make sure everything is an adequate range.

I'm popping at 10 right now. Feel good. You are healthy, right? There is no silent killers. You're not going to suddenly pop up with prostate cancer. It's not like your heart's just going to explode. That doesn't happen. It's not a real thing.

If there is a long-term adverse consequence that's going to happen, it will manifest in the way you feel and in your bloodway. And if you start feeling like crap, then that's a sign. Okay, something's wrong. Let's adjust something. Or it would take ignoring a bad side effect for 10 years before you actually hadn't had an adverse consequence. Now, you guys handle peptides? What are some of the other things that you guys handle that you utilize and helping people get up there?

Yeah. So we have good deals on all the, you know, the GLP-1 medications as well. So we have the best pricing in the country of semi-glutide, transepatide. And there's some of the other peptides for wound healing, BPC 157. Oh, really? What's that one peptide that like NAD plus? Yeah, NAD. We have NAD available, right?

It feeds the crab cycle. So we have that. I should have one of my Royd buddies come on the show to help me with the questions. Yeah. I've got a couple of Reuters that they do their own experiments. They're just basically a, they do a lot of experiments to figure out, you know, body building. So the body building, like so, you know, strangely, it's not even, well, when you understand the worlds, right, it's, it's not strange.

But the bodybuilding community is a light years ahead of understanding the mechanisms of action, to use all these derivatives, how to use these peptides. They're late years ahead of the medical community. Because, again, just like you indicated, it's a vast trove of experimental data. Yeah. Data that comes out of all these people that experiment in themselves. And that's the best way to learn is like, okay, let's try these things and see what happens. When you have millions of millions of people to do that, you get some pretty good data out of that.

And the medical community, again, it's all stigmatized and demonized. They don't learn about it in medical school. And then they eschew it and stay away from it and they think it's evil. So they don't ever use this stuff. And then when you have this whole community that actually uses it and is very successful with it, and they're actually very healthy, then you have a lot more information than the medical community. So what else do people need to know about what you do? Maybe I haven't asked you about and covered so we can make sure that people really have a good understanding of everything you do there.

Yeah, I mean, I would say that it's more about, again, destigmatization and normalizing the discussion, right? If you're having, if you're having fatigued, if you're not feeling like you did when you were in your early 20s, it's usually can be attributed to at least part of it to the foundational hormones. And once we get your hormones right, there may be some other things that we can work on. But the foundationally, getting your hormones right first, and then let's work on some other things. And that's what I said about. Now we can see what else is going on. Do we need to add some peptides for you? We can get your nutrition in order.

We can get your exercise in order. So it's more about all-encompassing lifestyle and preventative medicine instead of the typical medical community is reactive medicine. We'll wait until you have a stroke and then try to figure out why you have the stroke. We'll wait until there's cardiovascular disease and then try to figure it out. No, we're going to be preventative. We're going to be proactive. That's what we're about. I mean, I feel healthier.

I'm at 58 in a week or two, in two weeks. I feel healthier than I've felt in the last 20 years. I feel like I'm 30. I always had a pretty good sex drive and sex life because I used to own a modeling agency. And I've always been single all my life. So I couldn't afford divorces. I'm still saving up. I've got about $5 million put aside for my first marriage for the divorce.

But I think I need a little bit more. Is he thinking that's a special lady to give half that. Yeah, she's going to be real special to have my shit. So maybe I'll buy two. No. Well, I am in Utah kind of visiting, so that's legal here. Utah jokes. You know, one thing that was kind of interesting, I'm making a show about me.

More than you know, I recently, I usually get a shot once a week. And that's usually what I do. And I get the two SCGs, SGCs. Yeah. And then I get the one shot. And I don't know what the dose is. is I'm an idiot. I just never ask. I got things to do. But I can find out, of course. But they do my blood work. The other thing to give me is an estrogen blocker. It used to be I'd take one on Monday and Thursday. Now I just take one a week.

And, you know, I was pretty fat and heavy and still kind of am. And so my body just loved the testosterone. The estrogen and would like, hmm, reading all your testosterone. So you're on a poor protocol, right? So the whole idea, that you should do. I mean, the endocrine society wrote worse protocols, right? And what's insidious

is that you go to your endocrinologist to understand one of your major endocrine hormones because you think that they do, but they don't. They do not learn about this just like nobody else does. So the protocols were terrible.

Like if you look at the endocrine society guidelines, it says to take one millimeter, 200 milligrams of testosterone sippingA once every, once a month or once over two weeks, right? Now, the half life of testosterone sypionate for most people is about two to four days. So what's going to happen if we take an injection once a month? You're going to go up, you're going to peak in about two to four days.

So we'll say three days. And then in three more days, you're going to come all the way. It's the half-life. So in three more days, you're all the way back down to where you started. You're going to live out the rest of that month in utter despair. And I bet you that you don't feel quite as good the day coming up to your injection than you do, like the day after your injection. Yeah. Or the third day, the third day, man, everything's on. You should do at least two injections per week because we stabilize your levels.

What you're doing is you're going up here and then you're coming all the way back down. And you're back down to hypogonadism to your low two or 300 nanogram per decilator state by that six day, by that fifth or six. Yeah. So to stabilize your levels and keep you up here, you do more injections. You do at least two injections per week. And sometimes some people need more because people process it at different rates. Let me ask you about that because about a month or two ago, I wanted to do twice a week because I've been seeing stuff from guys like you online. And they're like, you should do daily.

And, you know, we do this. So I went to my doc and I said, hey, you know, can I do try two days a week so I don't have this curve that you're talking about? And like, sure. And so we did that. I think I went in on like Monday and Thursdays. And drive to the frigid. That's just stupid. Yeah, that's just, you can do it yourself.

It's not. Yeah, I'm tired of doing the drive. And they're in a real shitty location for traffic. Anyway, I started not feeling great with two shots a day, and I started feeling really bloaty, estrogen-y, you know. And so after about two weeks, I quit it. I don't know, maybe it's because they got me on this low dosage to try and keep me at 800 or something.

I don't know. For some reason, I was just like, oh, I'm back to a week. So I don't know. I guess I need to talk to you some more. Yeah. Yeah. And it could be because just like you were saying, right, they probably just split your dose in half, right? You're on a dose that's only going to get you at 800, right?

Yeah. Which is a pretty low dose. Really? And then they split that half. You're taking two super small doses and you're not, your testosterone levels aren't going high enough. So you don't feel the effects, right? Yeah. I love that third day effect, though.

It's about giving you an adequate amount of testosterone and stabilizing you at that level that makes you feel. See, on my third day, all my muscles come alive. I wake up like fucking Arnold Schwarzenegger. Yeah. Me too. That's when your testosterone penis. Usually something else wakes up in the morning, too, that wakes me.

I'm like, hey, I'm trying to sleep here. He's like, we can find checks. And I'm like, seriously, I'm 58. Come on, man. Give me a bite. And you don't need an aromatase inhibitor either. Like, that's another, just a fallacy, right? Like, testosterone's a male hormone.

Estrogen is a female hormone. It's just ridiculous. Testosterone, we evolved to convert testosterone to estradial at a certain rate for a reason. You need it. Men need it. If you crush your estradi, you're going to feel like garbage. So it's more about giving you the right amount of testosterone and letting it convert, but just not letting your level spike too high.

So when you take one in, when you, when you take one injection that's too large, your testosterone spikes, and behind it comes a spike in estradiol. It's about keeping those spikes down and just leveling, keeping your level stable. Well, my blood work always looks good when I go in.

In fact, I'm surprised. I'm like, I'm still alive? That's weird. But evidently it's been going well for me. So we'll talk after the show about this. If I'm out there listening to the audience, how do I reach out to you, how do I find out more,

how do I get to know whether or not you can help me and get involved and all that sort of stuff? So just go to Hormones for Me.com. And on that website, there will be different things you can learn, but on there will also be an email or a phone number you can call. And you can either email or call or we just have a simple, if you hit the get, there's a get started button. You hit that, it will lead you into a process to aggregate all the information we need.

It will show you how to get your blood work. Or have it. It will show you how to upload it, open an account, upload it, and then fill out some forms for some information that we need. And then you'll get to a consultation where somebody will talk to you and they'll walk you through everything and explain everything on your blood work and go over your blood work with you. And we'll just take care of the rest and we'll take good care of you. Very, very, very reasonable price. Significantly lower.

Yeah. You're paying $400 a month. I think, yeah, and like once I have a fifth week, you know, that's an extra hundred. For testosterone protocol for us, it's like, I mean, we do by the tree. period, but it comes out through about $90 a month. You're paying $100. I saw all these people that were, like yourselves, that we're talking about, and it was much cheaper.

And I used to be not a needles person until this shit started. I've been super healthy all my life. I've never needed a lot of shots for anything. I never go to hospitals and never go to E.Rs. I mean, I've just lived an immaculate life. I don't even know why I had health insurance up until about 56. It was the biggest waste of money ever. You know, if anything happens to me, you give me a lot.

some penicillin and that's like my magic drug. You get penicillin my body's like healed. I can be dead and if you shoot penicillin to me, I'll wake up and be like, I'm fine. It's a flesh wound. Where's my lower half? So yeah. People can learn more through your

podcast as well. We'll give a plug for that as we come around. Yes. Yeah. So hormones for me on YouTube. We have educational content. It's across all social media. We have a Reddit forum as well. And we're on Facebook, we have a Facebook forum where you can go in there and ask questions and there's people

who are current users. And a lot of our, you know, we educate everybody. So a lot of our patients are really educated. You know, we try to teach everybody. It's, you know, it's the whole teach you man of fish. Like if I can teach you about your hormones and I can teach you why certain things happen and what you should look out for, then you'll be better at dialing yourself in than even I can because you're the one feeling the feelings, right? I'm really good at this. But if I can teach you properly, you can do a good job yourself. Yeah. Because you're feeling the feelings.

Yeah. And I, when I was at 1100, 1,100, 1,100, I felt like I was a god. We will keep you there. Probably acting really nice. At 1100. No problem with it. We don't have any adverse consequences from that. Is there a cap that, I mean, do you recommend a certain thing or is it depend on each person's

body type and, you know, they're genetics? It depends on each person. So that's this thing, right? It's not about putting everybody in this box and saying, I want everybody at 800. That's ridiculous. Hey, I want everybody at 800. I want everybody at this level.

I want everybody in this box on a certain protocol, on a certain dosage, on a certain, you know, a certain blood level. It's ridiculous. If anybody who does that is not good at this because it's not the way it works. Everybody is very unique.

We have customized protocols. It's about developing a methodology to figure out what yields the best results for each individual. I can give a thousand people this. same exact protocol, you're going to get a thousand different responses. Wow. So it's about, again, developing that methodology to figure out what yields the best results for each individual. And that's how we do it.

It's a game of adjustments, right? Like we give you this, you know, if you've had something that's working in the past, then we can use that and we can build on that. Okay, how are you feeling? Okay, let's adjust this. It's a game of adjustment. See how you react, make adjustments based on how you're feeling and what your goals are. How you feel is much more important than the numbers on that blood test.

Like too many people get sidetracked and focused on the numbers. Oh, I need to be in this range. It's not like that. If your SHBG is high, like you said your free testosterone was low, right? Yeah. SPG is high. You need a certain total testosterone to SHBG ratio that you have to maintain or you're not going to feel good. Your free testosterone is going to be too low.

So some people have higher SHBG, so you need higher testosterone. So we have some people who don't feel good until they're at 1800. Really? HBG is higher. Wow. We have, and, you know, the... I'm going to take 10,000 then. No, I'm just kidding.

I don't know if they... Might get a little roydragy, maybe. You could do that. I don't know. That's another myth, unless you take... I'm just, yeah. But roydrage is also a myth. Like, most people actually,

they actually feel better. They become more altruistic, and their emotions are actually much more stable. Yeah. Because testosterone also does, it controls sensible. obeying and emotions and you come out of fight or flight states

so you're not so defensive all the time. My steroid friends say those guys with Royd rage, they're mucking with the, they're playing games, experimenting with the chemicals maybe or maybe they're not getting good chemicals or something. There's one, there's one antibiotic called Trenda on that. I will say

that one might cause people to be a little angry if you take too much of that. But for the rest of them, it's a myth. Like they don't really, they don't cause a rage. I must have been on that for most my life because I was pretty angry for the first 40 years. When we find people who get a little, who get testy and a little, um, irritable is low testosterone or even high estrogen.

Like high estrogen can make people irritable or low testosterone. Yeah. I've dated people like that. A little bit irritable once a month. Anyway, uh, well, thank you very much, Ryan, for coming to the show. We really appreciate it. I'm going to talk to you after the show and, yeah, and see if we can't get me off this, uh, you know, I, there, there were great research.

sources to get me down this road and I hated needles and are pushing myself in. But now I've had two years of every every week getting my ass hammer with multiple needles. And so I'm over it. That's only on Fridays we do the other thing. Weekends at the Chris Fosh. I don't know what I mean. But thank you very much, Ryan, for coming on. Give us your last dot-com plugs as we go out.

Yeah, so you can find us at HormonesforMe.com. We have hormones for me, YouTube, and Hormones. Hormones for me. We're kind of rebranding to H4M. I don't know. But HormonesforMe.com will still get you there. H4M on our social media is at Hormones for me on YouTube. And we also have dope Martian.

We have a podcast that's going to be very entertaining and educational. Dopeans. Because Martians need testosterone dope too. Is that how it works? I don't know. Or are they like in our in our advertisements, like you see this Martian and it zaps people. now their hormones are right and they're

much better. So that's kind of a little theme that we go with. Yeah. Get some Martians to do the thing. Maybe you can get the lizard people that are in their government to I'm just teasing it. Anyway, thank you very much for coming on, Ryan. We really appreciate you. Thank you very much. Thanks for having me. Thank you. And thanks for

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Stay safe. We'll see you in a. You'll be listening to the most amazing and intelligent one to improve your brain and your life. Or, tell me too much of the Chris Lawn Show podcast. It'll lead to people thinking you're smarter, younger, your resistible, fict than human regularly moderating mouths. He's the doctor who's to brain lead. All right, and we're out, Ryan.