The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Voice Over LEGAL by Robert J. Sciglimpaglia Jr.

Episode Date: December 14, 2023

Voice Over LEGAL by Robert J. Sciglimpaglia Jr. https://amzn.to/41pUDP8 Attyondemand.com Robpaglia.com Voice Over LEGAL is the essential ebook guide for voice actors and broadcasters to managing their business and legal issues - with 100+ pages of essential info including: how to structure/incorporate your business ... write and understand contracts ... ways to get paid ... collect late-pays .... work with agents ... understand taxes, insurance, unions, Fi-Core, copyrights, celebrity impersonations, libel, slander, restrictive clauses, liabilities ... plus a GLOSSARY ... SAMPLE CONTRACT and more. Be smart. Be prepared. Voice Over LEGAL can save you time and money by alerting you to legal and business issues before you make costly mistakes. Author Robert Sciglimpaglia Jr. is a uniquely qualified voice actor / actor / attorney who alerts you to issues to deal with now, and to how to cope with what may arise tomorrow. How can you run your voice over business without Voice Over LEGAL? Show Notes About The Guest(s): ​ Robert J. Sciglimpaglia Jr. is an attorney, actor, and voiceover artist. He has appeared on national television and has been involved in numerous film and television projects. Robert is the author of the book "Voice Over Legal" and is the founder of Attorney On Demand, a membership service that provides legal counsel to actors, voiceover artists, filmmakers, and business owners. ​ Summary: ​ Robert J. Sciglimpaglia Jr., an attorney, actor, and voiceover artist, joins host Chris Voss to discuss the intersection of law and the entertainment industry. Robert shares his experiences in the acting field and provides insights into the legal aspects of voiceover work. He also talks about the challenges posed by AI and deepfake technology and the implications for copyright and intellectual property rights. Robert emphasizes the importance of protecting one's likeness and creative work in an increasingly digital world. ​ Key Takeaways: ​ - Robert J. Sciglimpaglia Jr. is an attorney, actor, and voiceover artist with extensive experience in the entertainment industry. - He has appeared on national television and has been involved in numerous film and television projects. - Robert is the author of the book "Voice Over Legal" and is the founder of Attorney On Demand, a membership service that provides legal counsel to actors, voiceover artists, filmmakers, and business owners. - AI and deepfake technology pose challenges in terms of copyright and intellectual property rights. - It is important for individuals to protect their likeness and creative work in an increasingly digital world. ​ Quotes: ​ - "I was always too reserved, too much of an introvert to go in front of the camera and act, even though I liked it." - Robert J. Sciglimpaglia Jr. - "Acting is harder than law school. It's hard to make an income and it's completely different learning." - Robert J. Sciglimpaglia Jr. - "There's a lot of theft going on. Anyone that's created character voices, those are being scraped and stolen left and right." - Robert J. Sciglimpaglia Jr.

You wanted the best. You've got the best podcast. The hottest podcast in the world. The Chris Voss Show. The preeminent podcast with guests so smart you may experience serious brain bleed. The CEOs, authors, thought leaders, visionaries, and motivators. Get ready. Get ready. Strap yourself in. Keep your hands, arms, and legs inside the vehicle at all times. Because you're about to go on a monster education roller coaster with your brain. Now, here's your host, Chris Voss. Hi, folks. This is Voss here from thechrisvossshow.com.

Boy, she nails it perfectly. Aren't you glad after 15 years I gave up singing that line? No one wants to hear me sing that line. It's better when the Iron Lady does it. There you go, from the Bugs Bunny clips. Welcome to the Big Show, my family and friends. We certainly appreciate you guys tuning in. As always, we bring you the smartest, brightest people who share with you the stories of the world

and their journeys of life or lifetimes, depending upon which Hollywood star you talk to. And basically, stories are the owner's manual to life, as we always say here on the show. For 60 years, we've been bringing you the CEOs, the governors, the White House presidential advisors, the billionaires, the Pulitzer Prize winners, all of the most smartest people, the authors who write books, and can bring you just the gelatized, concentrated version of their knowledge and dispense it to you within up to an hour on the Chris Voss Show, or what we like to call the Chris Voss Show Glow. So there you go. Thereby, you get the most wonderful, most brilliant things. And you get it, what is it, three to four times a weekday, 15 to 20 times a week.

So make sure you guys keep up. As always, I set this up to beg, plead, and be desperate with you to refer the shirt to your family, friends, or else. Go to goodreads.com, Fortes, Chris Foss. LinkedIn.com, Fortes, Chris Foss. Subscribe to that big LinkedIn newsletter, the 130,000 LinkedIn group there. YouTube, Chris Foss 1, the TikTok, and Chris Foss Facebook. We have an amazing gentleman on the show with us today and he's going to be talking to us about a variety of stuff

that he's into and he will be entertaining or else. I don't know what that means. Sounds like a threat, doesn't it? He's an attorney, so I may have issues with that. Rob Siglim Siglim Paglia is on the show with us.

Did I get that right, Rob? You got it. Yes. There you go. There you go. What is the origin of that name? Italian. Italian.

He's got Italian. I don't even know if that's an Italian thing. So we have Robert on the show with us today. He's going to be talking to us about his stuff. And he's done quite the adventure. If you're entertained by his life, I don't know what what to tell you he has appeared on national television many times he is best known as the dad on the 2012 chevy super bowl commercial happy grad his very first adventure in the acting field was a show called american experience hijacked which aired nationally on pbs tv was narrated by Campbell Scott.

Besides television, he's done many film projects in leading or supporting roles. He's produced 35 films and television projects and acted in several, including The Bathtub Chronicles, Within and Without, where he won several Best Actor awards, and Films won hundreds of festival awards. He's currently involved in the production side for Sweeney Todd on Broadway. He's done on-camera voice, on-camera or voiceovers for many recognizable brand names. Perhaps his most prominent voiceover project was today was the director for sessions for Bixby, the voice of Samsung Galaxy phones and products.

Welcome to the show, Robert. How are you? I'm doing well. Thanks for having me. There you go. So I can blame you for all that Bixby stuff going on on my Samsung phone, huh? Yeah, a little bit. You can blame me a little bit for it. There you go.

Samsung keeps pushing that. They try and force you to use it. I'm like, no. Yeah, I mean, they're trying to get, I mean, they work with all the appliances and the TVs together. Yeah. So that's why they try to, that's why they the appliances and the TVs together. Yeah. So that's why they push it. Get that thing.

It's their own version of Siri, I think, isn't it? Yes. It's like Siri, but it's expanded for everything that they manufacture uses Bixby. There you go. Give us your dot coms. Where do you want people to find you out on the interwebs? The best place to find me is robscigrobscigesq.com that's my

my law site my acting site is robertpaglia.com and you can find me on www.attyondemand.com there you go so attorneyondemand.com which is what we'll be talking a little bit about today and then you also have a book that you put out called voice over legal and people can order that on amazon or wherever that's found give us the 30 000 version of what's inside that book there the voice over legal because i'm an attorney and i started doing voice over work many of my colleagues my voice over colleagues would ask me legal questions so i kept getting the same questions over and over again you know should i form an llc uh what how can i get sued you know should i get insurance those kind of things i wrote them started writing those

questions down and then the book is basically a chapter for each of those common questions. Oh, really? And I put it out, and I think it's like number seven on the Amazon bestseller list for entertainment law right as we sit here. And it hit number one for a while. And it's the resource that a lot of voice talent use when they're trying to figure out the legal side of the voiceover business. That's pretty good because I imagine there's a lot of that going on where you've got to figure it all out and it's a business as opposed to just voiceover. So it's very interesting. And then your law site, Attorney on Demand, does that as well, I guess. Yes, Attorney on Demand is a membership so that if an actor, voiceover artist, filmmaker,

any business owner really, if they want an attorney on retainer, but they don't want to pay thousands of dollars, they go there, they pay a low monthly fee, I can answer their questions as many as they have, 24-7. They get a whole bunch of discounted and free services for being a member. There you go. Much cheaper than throwing down that giant upfront payment, that giant that giant upfront payment that giant retainer exactly the attorney i have a couple thousand bucks a month yeah i've seen that movie that's yeah and so they can go on there they can get the legal counsel that they need

uh they can find out how to protect their family and stuff and uh all that good stuff and it's fairly more inexpensive you know because yeah because, yeah, hiring an attorney, especially when you have to do court stuff, it's quite expensive. Yes. Yeah. And many times people don't know who to call. So that solves that problem right there. They can call me right away.

I'm on retainer for them. And if we need to get another attorney involved because it's a specialized area, we can do that. You know, it's just one area, we can do that. It's just one less headache for people to have in case something happens. They know who to consult. This is probably helpful a little bit during the recent writer strike and all the Hollywood strikes that were going on. I'm not sure they've all been resolved, but it was probably helpful during that time.

The writer strikes resolved, SAG strikes resolved. There was the hotel union strike. Then it's getting helpful during that time. Yep. The writer strikes resolved. Sag strikes resolved. There was the hotel union strike. Then it's getting resolved little by little out in California. Everyone's on strike. So there you go. They were on strike. That says a lot about what's going on with our country right now. Yeah, it's an interesting time.

I mean, basically the baby boomers retired earlier than they would have with COVID. A lot of Gen X did too as well. And most people don't realize that we don't have enough employees. Right. And we also, wages have not kept up with inflation, unfortunately. Yeah. And people are complaining about the prices, but they don't want immigrants to move into the country. So there you go, people.

You're creating your own problem. People don't realize. I mean, there are, I was reading, I think it was the New York Times, the Washington Post, for every seven boomers that are retiring and Gen X that are retiring early because they're like, they saw COVID and went, we're out, man. Fuck this. For every one of them who's retiring right now, for every seven of them,

these are skilled journeymen. They have 40 years of knowledge under their belt. They're master tradesmen. They know their stuff, right? For every seven of those that are retiring, there is one novice guy who's like a beginner

who's taking their place. That's how offset things are right now, and it's going to be interesting. And if you don't think inflation is going to kick in and people are going to charge a lot more prices, we're going to have the same in the medical field as well. So there you go. So it's going to be an interesting four years. People can utilize your service.

They can access it there. They can see different plans and all that good stuff. Anything more we need to touch on there that you're doing at that place? I'm a very much full-service attorney. I'm sure we'll talk more about this, but not only do I do a voiceover, I do them myself. I'm a voiceover artist and actor, so I have that perspective. I do taxes, so that's another big reason why people that are in business like to consult with me because taxes are always an issue. One of the things I like to do is be

able to be a little diversified so I can answer people's questions on the right and the left brain. There you go. With taxes in Hollywood, it's kind of an issue because if you work in different states to film projects and stuff, right, you got to pay the taxes in those states, right? Correct. Yeah. Well, the way it works is you pay in the state you're in. So if I'm in the New York area, if I go out to L.A. and I do a job, I'd have to pay the LA tax, the California tax, but I get a credit on that. So I don't have to pay, it cuts the credit on my federal return and my state return here.

But I mean, you still have to fill out the paperwork, right? You still have to do the paperwork. Nightmare. Or you just forget about it if it's not enough. Like I know people that just don't worry about filling out the paperwork and forego the whatever it would normally, they'd get a refund and they just, well, it's not worth it and forego the whatever it would normally they'd get a refund and they just it's not worth it 20 bucks or whatever I'm going to get back

20 bucks for the jewel check there you go yeah whatever but I know some actors especially big actors they work all over there's what is it the Georgia there's the one gentleman the famous actor produced all those films in cross-dressing Matea or whatever what What's his name?

But, I mean, he's made a lot of money. He's got like a huge... Tyler Perry. Tyler Perry. There it is. He's got a... Have you seen his house down in Georgia? I have not, but I've seen the studio. It's insane. It makes the Versailles, the gardens of Versailles or whatever

look like, I don't know, Amateurville. It doesn't really, but... Yeah, I mean, if you're making income in all 50 states, obviously, that's whereilles or whatever, looks like, I don't know, Amateurville. It doesn't really. Yeah, I mean, if you're making income in all 50 states, obviously that's where it gets complicated. You have to have your home state where you can credit all the taxes you're paying from the other states, but you've got to do all the paperwork. So what made you, I mean, you're kind of an interesting guy because you're into acting and do movies and voiceover and stuff, but then you're also an attorney.

Most people just ride one horse, but what got you into wanting to do both, I guess? So I started out as an attorney. I went right from undergrad to law school, came out, started practicing law. But I was always, like I was a DJ in college, I always did the technical side of things. You know, the cameras, the mixing boards, all that stuff for the plays and for the shows. And I was always too reserved, too much of an introvert to go in front of the camera and act, even though I liked it. So I was practicing about 10 years, doing well, but I just kind of felt like, you know, there's got to be more to this. And I always wanted to act.

So I just took a class in adult ed for voiceover just to check it out. You know, I didn't really know what it was. I thought voiceovers was cartoons. That's what I thought it was. I didn't know how big voiceovers was. And I loved it. I fell in love with it. So then I thought it was. I didn't know how big voiceovers was. And I loved it. I fell in love with it. So then I took more classes.

I started taking acting classes. I really got into it. And I realized how much harder acting is than law school was. It's hard. It's hard to make an income. It's hard to learn. It's a completely different type of learning. So you're learning more about feelings and you're not learning

it's not logic. The attorney business is real cerebral. Exactly. Very much logical. Yeah. So it's I mean there are some creative element to it which is why I like it because I do trial law as well. And that's you know you really try to think on your feet.

That's where the acting really helps. So they do compliment each other. There you go. Acting in front of the jury and the judges. Exactly. And it does help you use both sides of the brain. So that's, I like the balance, you know, and people ask me, which you may ask me now,

but people ask me like, what do I like like better and what do I want to do? And the answer I give is I'm doing what I want to do right now. Yeah. If I did more acting, great. If I did more law, great. You know, I don't want to do one thing. I want to do more things because I like the balance and I like the variety. I don't like being in the rut.

And that's kind of where I felt I was when I started doing the voice. I felt I was in the daily rut. I'm the same way. I like doing multiple things because then you tend to get this burnout and bored. Exactly. Yeah. I was feeling, I was starting to feel, I was starting to get to the burnout phase. That motivated me too.

I was like, there's more than just doing this for 60 hours, 80 hours a week. There you go. Now, there's a thing here. You sued TikTok. I did. Bev Standing. I'm not sure who that is because I'm not hip or cool.

What was that about? Beverly Standing is a voice actor in Canada. Oh, okay. And so the AI thing, artificial intelligence, I'm sure you've heard about it. Yeah, I've heard that's been a big issue. So that's been around for a while. In fact, Bixby, when I recorded that, that was back in 2018, 2016, around that time.

So AI has been in development all this time. So Bev Standing had done a job back in the 2018 time frame. It was supposed to be for translation, Chinese translation. And in 2021, her daughter hears her mom's voice on TikTok as the text-to-speech voice. Remember the original text-to-speech voice? That was Bev Standing. Oh, really? So her daughter goes, hey, why are you on TikTok as the text-to-speech voice. Remember the original text-to-speech voice? That was Bev Standing. Oh, really? So her daughter goes, hey, why are you on TikTok? Why did you do this job? And Beverly's,

I didn't. I didn't do this job. So she traced it back to that job that she had done in 2018. So I sued on her behalf in the Southern District Federal Court in New York. And they ended up selling the case, you know,

because I don't think it was, it wasn't their intention to swipe her voice. But, you know, the files ended up getting circulated and, you know, ended up in TikTok's hands. And that's kind of how it went down. But, you know, it was an experience. And I was glad we were able to prevail on that. Bev definitely was

happy about it. But the only bad thing or the downside is that they took her voice off as a text speech. But they can use her if they want to. They just got to work a deal on her. Probably a lot of this is going to be going on in the future with AI.

You know, I mean, basically the joke is with chat GPT is they basically just scrape the internet and then now they're selling it back to you. Right. And I know there's some suits I'm sure you're familiar with where I think the Booker Authors Association are suing. And evidently some books and materials were used to train the device. Yes. Authors, authors, and artists. Wow. Painters and photographers.

There's class action suits going on. And that's, so ChatGBT is what they call generative AI, which means that the computer creates its own artwork, our own writing, based on everything that's on the internet. So AI, basically the computers scour 20 billion files a second and come up with everything that's out there. So say someone wants a picture of a dog. Type down chat then so say someone wants a picture of a dog type down chat gpt i want a picture of a dog so the internet will go out there and they'll scour every picture of every dog out there and come back and it'll create a unique looking dog combining all of the files that i found out there so that's generative AI. So what's going on with these lawsuits is what you

said. The authors and the artists are claiming that their copyrights are being violated because they're being trained and being used to create new works. And so far, the judges are not buying that because they're saying there's no proof that their works

were used. Because the work's not recognizable. You can't really look at it and say, that's so-and-so's work. So until that happens, the suits are... Or until Congress steps in and passes legislation,

it's going to be tough to pursue these types of cases on generative AI. Of course, if something's recognizable, her voice is recognizable even though that was AI-generated files. She's able to pursue

because, number one, she copyrighted her files, and number two, because of her likeness. They're using her likeness. That's the issue. When it comes up and editor files. And number two, because of her likeness. They're using her likeness. Yeah. That's the issue. When it comes up and it doesn't, there's no likeness or there's no copying

directly of a painting or a book, you know, how much of it has to be used before it's infringement and how do you tell how much of it was used before you can make an infringement claim. There you go. And I think sometimes you have the, I mean, in her case, how do you tell how much of you that was used before you can make an infringement claim? There you go.

And I think sometimes, sometimes you have the, I mean, in her case, this probably wouldn't apply, but cause they were just ripping her off directly. But then there's, there's also parody. Does,

does, does parody cover AI? Cause it were like, we're taking what they had and making it our own better. So there's a couple of First Amendment protections from any copyright infringement. Parody is one of them. And if it's

documentary or news or learning, those are other exceptions. You know, you could take somebody's book and bring it into a class and teach a class the writing of the book. And that's not that's not an infringement because it's educational yeah plus they're not selling it i mean technically the college is making some money i think right yeah it's not being used for commercial purpose

yeah even if they're selling the book to the students that's fine because it's educational it's protected by the first amendment wow there you go parody is the same thing so if you're if you're parodying or you know making fun of clearly making fun of that original work, then that's protected by the first amendment. There you go. You know, the writer's strike that, and the actor's strike that was going on,

one of the big concerns was, is, you know, AI and likenesses being used. Somebody told me, I don't know if this is true, but back when it started with the crow, when the lead actor of the crow died, Hollywood eventually started storing images of actors.

Yes. And film and keeping like a file. They recently, I guess, did this with Harrison Ford on his recent movie where they were able to play. They were able to imprint old recorded video of him. And then they probably do some trick with the mouth or whatever, but evidently they have enough of it. Him saying shit where they can match it all up and it's index. And,

you know, we saw that with Carrie Fisher, of course, you know, she appeared in several Star Wars movies post-mortem. Yep. James Earl Jones.

Mm-hmm. Val Kilmer. Yeah, there's a lot. Oh, Val Kilmer, yeah, back before he had, yeah, cancer and stuff, yeah. A lot of it. But, I mean, then the question is, who gets paid for all this stuff, right? And that's exactly what the strike was about and the strike actually resolved part of that issue.

So what the strike, the resolution of the strike said, if you work a film, work a project, do a voice on a project, they can take your files, so they can take whatever you recorded for that project and they can

use it for that project without you getting paid additionally. But if they store your picture and they want to use it in the future, you have to give your consent, and they have to pay you. You have to bargain. So you can ask for whatever you want. It has to be bargained for. There's no scale on it. There you go. Except they said the minimum has to be youained for. There's no scale on it. There you go. Except they said the minimum

has to be you have to get paid for one day of scale. I'm sure people are going to want more than that. And then for generative AI, you don't need to get anyone's permission. So if they do a generative AI and there's no recognizable person, so if they take all those

people that they have on file and come up with a new looking and sounding person, completely generated virtually, they don't have to get permission for that. They don't need to pay anybody for that. And that's what the resolution was. Maybe Hollywood just make

new actors based upon I don't know. That's the fear. You can take George Clooney and Brad Pitt and I don't know, That's the fear. Yeah. You can take George Clooney and Brad Pitt and, I don't know, a couple other good-looking guys and ram together and get the greatest hits. Exactly. Yeah. You asked about consent. Or you asked about permission or who gets paid or who they get permission from.

So when they get the consent, you have to say specifically that you want your consent to live on after you pass. Or you don't want it. It will. If you don't say, I don't want this, I want this to die with me, this consent, it will live on after you pass the consent. And if there is no consent,

there's no consent given ever, then the family, the person, and the actors pass. The family, the estate, can get consent. But, if the producer says that they look for the family and couldn't find them, then the union can give consent.

Oh, really? That's what they worked out in the deal. Sounds like some unions got some power there. Yeah, exactly. The union, you know, the ball's in motion a little bit. in the deal. Sounds like some unions got some power there. Yeah, exactly. The ball's in motion a little bit. Like you said, they can come up with a whole bunch of new actors combining a bunch of visuals

that they have and they don't have to pay actors anymore. I don't think we're not close to that. Most people know I'm an assimilated character from Brad Pitt, George Clooney, and a few James Bond figures. Nice. There you go.

I'm all put together. The only problem is 55, but it didn't turn out like they thought it would. It just went the opposite way. So you just outed yourself at your AI? Pretty much. Pretty much, yeah. Every now and then you'll see me glitch, and that gives you the hint. I'm part of the Matrix, actually.

So, Anderson. So I know that some of these things are kind of, there are kind of some more, I think, laws for this in place with dead actors, right? That have passed on, you know, anytime someone wants to use Marilyn Monroe's images or film. But this is very different because, you know, they're, they're just making stuff with it. Now they're not using old film. Correct. So the way that it works, um,

they still need, if they're going to do something from scratch, they still need actors. Yeah. So they didn't get an actor to come in and do the motion capture. So they would, you know, act out,

you know, like an animation, they would act everything out on a green screen. Then they would have an actor come in and do the lines. Then what they do is they just take the skin. They just take the pictures

of where the actor is, Marilyn Monroe. They take a little piece. They only need a minute of her voice to make it sound decent. If they have more, they can make it sound decent if they have more they'll make it sit they can make it sound perfect and they so they take that and they they use that for her voice and that's how the character becomes looks like marilyn monroe wow because they it's real but real actors are still they're still working you still have to keep real they're just not seen

they're gonna be marilyn monroe there you go one of my friends, J.S. Gilbert, is ringing in. He says, what's up, Rob and Chris? Do you know J.S.? Oh, I know him very well. Yes. Hey, J.S., how's it going? There you go. There you go.

I was wondering why he was ringing in. I'm like, he never rings in on the thing. We've been friends for years. Oh, wow. And then I realized he's a voiceover actor. Yes. He does voiceover. He does.

He's been doing that for a long time. In fact, I called him one time. I'm like, hey, what's the best mics I should buy? He probably went, what are you talking about? Yeah. I get this question all the time. He has 500,000 mics in his basement or something, from what I understand. I'm not sure he does.

Yeah. If anybody knows stuff. And then he used to do stand-up comedy in L.A. I can see that. if anybody knows stuff, but then he used to do standup comedy in, in, in LA. So he has jokes about babysitting the kids there at the comedy store, as everyone had to do back in the day. And I think it was the comedy store, one of those. And then of course,

hanging out with the stuff. So great stuff there. What's the future that you see with AI and what sort of impact it's going to have and you know, how you're preparing your attorney firm to, to kind of take on these future things on attorney-on-demand stuff. What do you see maybe coming out of the pike that you're anticipating? Yeah, right now what's going on, there's a lot

of theft going on. Anyone that's created character voices, those are being scraped and stolen left and right. People that create character voices, the fans go out there, they get samples of them, and then they'll do some kind of fan film or something or, you know, whatever, and post it on YouTube. So that's going on. can go on there and voice actor can fill in the form, show where the character voice is being used illegally and blacklist themselves so that people are put on notice not to do this. But there's really

no enforcement mechanism really except for whoever created that character originally can sue for infringement. But normally it's not the actor. Sometimes it's the actor. Most of the time it's not the actor that created the character. It's some kind of big company.

Disney owns the character. So then they'd have to be the one that takes action. It makes it tough if a character voice is associated with a particular actor and someone swipes it, then it

puts them in a bit very tough position in order to get that stopped and that's why that's why uber uber duck came up so that it was kind of a a way to at least out the people say that my voice my character voice is being used illegally and i don't want to do ai that's what the form says i don't want to do AI. That's what the form says. I don't want to do AI. So that's why they're blacklisted. They blacklist themselves. All right. You know, I know that's a big thing. I mean, we get a lot of our videos stolen on YouTube.

I imagine, and we have to do copyright claims, take down stuff and all that crap. At one point, it was quite out of control. I don't think anybody copies the show, but they copy our review product stuff we review a lot of products so they copy that but I would imagine you can ask sites to take it down

or force them to take it down if you file a copyright infringement yeah technically it's supposed to be that's what I mean it has to be the origin or the owner of the product but I mean I think they're allowing actors also to put the takedown notices down. Not all of them are.

Some of them are like, no, you need the owner to make this claim. Yeah. That's kind of interesting. Because I thought that with copyright, imagine if it's copyrighted like by Disney. They technically own the copyright. Right. I mean, because I know if I appear in a picture or my voice does or something like that and i haven't paid for it or compensated or any sort of contract i can have

that taken down because i'm part of the copyright if i appear in the picture likeness okay yeah is it the same the same for voiceover then yeah no. No, because if it was just me right here talking, yes. But if I'm creating a character, it's not really my likeness. It's the character. So then, yes, you created it. So, yes, you have some claim to it. But you're not the copyright owner. Maybe you created it and copyrighted it yourself.

That's fine. But you may have done it with a script that Disney wrote. So that Disney would be the one that owns that character, owns that performance, basically owns everything. The actors, but the actors

associated with it. So that's where they're invested. So then that's where they want to try to get it taken down. But sometimes the sites won't let them. Sometimes they say that the owner has to make the claim. Wow. It's crazy, man. It's very crazy.

Yeah, lots of stealing and lots of ripping off. And I'm sure AI and the deep fakes and all this stuff that's going on, they say this next election is going to come up, is going to have a lot of deep fakes hitting it. Yes. And I know legislation is i know that there's there's been a lot of talks about how to legislate this and how to pass laws about it and that's one of the that's one of the reasons why it's being paid attention to is because the politicians i'm sure some of them already got deep faked and

that's like their greatest fear that they're going to be deep faked saying something that you might actually do something for a change exactly they're actually they're actually but they've been they've been talking about it you know it's been in committee for a couple you know a while i don't know for months it's gonna get out of hand there's right now i see on tiktok and i don't know what kind of scam it is but it's some sort of thing that's selling some sort of bitcoin or a bitcoin variation of a money coin, I suppose you call it, and signing up for some service that houses Bitcoin. And they have all these people that they've done fake.

They've done fake. What did I say it was? The fake Bitcoin. No, the fake voiceover facial thing. Deepfake. They've done deepfakes on like Warren Buffett, CNN, Anchors. There's a whole mess of them and it's all over the place.

I'm like, how is TikTok letting this happen? I saw one with Tiger Woods. Yeah. He was saying, you know, you get this free coin to sign up or something. You get a free set of clubs if you sign up for 50 bucks or whatever.

It was a deep fake. It was crazy. It would look real, too. Yeah. I mean, it's like Warren Buffett was offering people if they sign up. They're like, we're giving away a free coin. You get a free coin if you come to this website and sign up. And I'm just like, yeah, put in your social security number.

See how that works. Your birthday and whatever. But it's all over TikTok. And and i'm just like how is this this is really abusive deep fakes i mean yeah some are really good elon musk seems to be one of the popular ones i like to deep fake um where he's you know selling stuff or endorsing stuff the mouth the mouth thing is so bad you're just like dude that's not even well some of them aren't that's the problem like some of them are bad and you laugh but some of them aren't some of them are pretty good so and then i i've actually just i got a call from a client today about that about how tiktok is has used one of his songs as one of the you know like

when you create the videos and make the song and he wrote to them and they took it down. But a whole bunch of other people had already copied the song. So it's still out there. And now they won't respond to him. He's written two or three times. So TikTok, in my experience, they're not really quick to jump on the copyright infringement stuff. That's interesting. That's interesting. So people just need to know about this stuff.

So final thoughts as we go out on everything you do and how you do it and plugging people to take a look at some of the services you're offering. Sure. Yeah, I mean, as you can tell, I'm experienced with AI. I do litigation. And then I create trademarks, or I do trademarks and copyright for people. I create LLCs. So really, I do taxes.

Anything business-related, arts-related, give me a call. No problem. Or just go online and go on my website. But I love the acting side too. So even if anyone has a question about how to get into acting or get into voiceovers, that's something that you can ask me about as well.

And like I had said before, my websites are robscigesq.com, robscigesq.com. My acting site is robertpaglia.com. And www.attyondemand.com is for the membership program. There you go. There you go. Thank you, Robert, for coming on the show. It's been a really interesting discussion on what the future of everything is going to hold. And it sounds like a lot of, you know, with AI, it sounds like a lot of good work coming up for attorneys.

Oh, definitely. Job security. This is going to be a lot of litigation, I'm sure. There you go. Thank you very much, Robert, for coming on the show. Thanks so much for tuning in. Go to goodreads.com, 4chesschrisfoss, linkedin.com, 4chesschrisfoss, youtube.com, 4chesschrisfoss, chrisfoss1, and what's the other thing?

chrisfossfacebook.com. The nice thing about being ugly and having a radio face is no one ever copies my likeness. They do it on Facebook. Your voice is your likeness too. I expose if you want. I don't know. With a face for radio and a voice for print, that's what I

stole that off of somebody. So sorry to Better Bachelor on YouTube. It's a great line. Thanks for tuning in. Be good to each other. Stay safe. We'll see you guys next time.