The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – What Do You Call Your Grandparents by Eileen E J Walker

Episode Date: May 26, 2026

What Do You Call Your Grandparents by Eileen E J Walker https://www.amazon.com/What-You-Call-Your-Grandparents/dp/1970749326 Lily has a day off from school. She will spend the day with her grandparents. Grandparents are always a lot of fun. Perhaps you have a favorite memory of your grandparents. Maybe your favorite memory as a child relates to food, eating or preparing it. Maybe your favorite memory is visiting a certain place, playing games or making crafts. Around the world, the name for ‘grandma’ and ‘grandpa’, varies. Enjoy reading this book to your grandchildren and may the memories you create bring joy to you all. About the author Eileen Walker has launched into the world of writing children’s book, quickly, with her 3rd book in a series. This book was initially intended to be her first. Although writing has been in the recesses of her mind for many years, it wasn’t until she became a grandmother, that she was inspired to write children’s books. She hopes you and the children you read with, will enjoy learning what to call family members, in other languages.

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and several other books that she has and find out more about what she's been up to and what she's got coming in the future. Eileen Walker has launched into the world of writing children's books quickly with her third book in a series. The book was initially intended to be her first, although writing has been in the recesses of her mind for many years.

It wasn't until she became a grandmother. She was inspired to write children's books. She hopes you and the children you read with will enjoy learning what to call family members in other languages. Welcome to the show. How are you, Eileen? Excellent. Thank you. Thank you very much for the opportunity. Thank you. And thank you for coming.

Give us a dot com's website, social media. Where do you want people to get to know you better on the internet? We have a website set up under my name, Eileen EJ Walker.com. It'll have some more information about me personally. And also we do have Instagram and Facebook. as well. So give us the 30,000 overview. What's inside this book? The book, what do you call your grandparents, was inspired by, as an indicator, when I became a grandmother. And my daughter

looked at me and said, okay, so what are we going to have the child call you? And so I started becoming a little bit more aware of the names that people use. And so oftentimes you refer back to what it was that you might have called your grandparents. Personally, I never had any grandparents. So it was a new thought for me. And then I started listening really carefully and noted even in my own community in the neighborhood, I'm hearing different names like Yaya and Papu and Nana and No-No. And that's what really inspired me to think about, what do you want to be called?

Yeah, I remember someone was calling their grandparents a Nana, and I was like, what the hell is a Nana? Is that like banana? Sure for Nana. You're saving a lot of time cutting out the B&A of banana. But no, that's my grandparents. And I'm like, yeah, there's a million different variations of what you could call someone you love or your grandparents. And a lot of it is dictated by multicultural and cultural. or where did you come from and where did your ancestry come from?

And so you do look to what you would have called grandparents. And here in Canada or North America, we often use mommy or grandma, daddy, when we're talking about the parents. And grandparents sometimes are the moms and dads for some of the family. And what do you want to be called? So when I started thinking about that, my daughter has family from the other side in terms of her husband's parents who are still with us.

And they chose to use grandma and grandpa. So then I thought, oh, I would have wanted to be called grandma grandpa. So then it becomes confusing for the children in terms of, well, we've got two sets of grandmas and grandpa. So I ended up settling on Grammy because my name starts with an E. So rather than be called Grandma E or Grandma E, or Grandma E, which didn't sit well with me, let's just go with Grammy while they're young and then as they get older they'll just drop that and just gram will be what comes out of that.

That's all I'm with Grammy. Sounds like this is a guide too for grandparents on how to make sure you're called what you want to be called. Maybe I need to write a book like this because most people refer to me in four-letter expletives. I need to figure out a way to program that better at first. If you don't choose and make a decision, a decision gets made for you. And that's an example of that, right? I like how you're getting ahead of this. You've thought this through.

You're like, you're like, I'm not going to let, I'm not going to let them make up their own names on me. I'm going to control. And yeah, that's smart. Do you get into other languages and stuff and all the variations of different names, grandparents are called around the world? Yes. What I had done actually, and then you'll find. the answer fairly similar in terms of all three of the books, is that I had done some research

on the top basically 12 languages in North America, starting, but really research 10, because English and French would be the first two. It was also important to me to include an indigenous language. So each of the books will include a grandparent. I chose the Cree language for the grandparents. So in that case, it will be Cuckham and Moshe. Oh, Cucum and Mosom? Is that correct pronunciation?

And the Cree is an Indian language? It's an indigenous language, one of the many that are here in North America. And it was personal for me, too, because I have a friend who is indigenous. And her boy calls the grandmother a Cucum. Cook them. I wanted to make sure that that went into the book. As long as you're not an African cannibal society, it's probably okay to use that name,

but otherwise it sounds like a command. Indigenous society is very matrilineal. A cannibal society there in Africa, wherever it is, I don't know, there might just not be in here. Maybe there is, I don't know. But I hope they're eating well. That's all I'm saying. Maybe not.

But no, I can see you're in a cannibal community, and they're like, hey, what happened to grandma? Oh, we cooked her. Why? You called her. You told us to him. Anyway, what do you call your grandparents? What do you, what do you, I think Lily is the character. And if you want to tell us a little bit more about her. I chose each of the books in order of the, because I have five grandchildren. So you'll find their names throughout, but the main character in each one of them is representative by the first three. So Lily is my third grandchild. And I did quite a lot of research by interviewing grandparents when I chose the particular storyline. And I was thinking about when do young children spend the most time with their grandchild? And it would be normally during a summer break or it would be when the school environment has a professional development day of some sort. and there's no child care that's pre-planned.

You often get that phone call as the grandparent. Can you look after the kids while they're on their professional development day? So then you have to think about what am we going to do with the children today because having them sit at, they're not going to sit in front of the television or in front of their iPad, at least I hope not, and certainly not until when they come to spend time with this grandmother. So my favorite thing to do is to take them to the park. and I'm that grandmother that's actually on the monkey bars and going down the slides with my, it's an experiential day.

It's not an observation day. So for me, so I will go to the local park with the kids. And usually it will be, they'll go in the wagon. So you'll see when you read through the story, you can see that that's exactly what I would be doing. Just stay away from that hot slide that the sun's going to be. Yeah. Yeah, and bring the towel because it may have. have rained the night before.

Oh, true. So you've got to be prepared. So we'll often go down to the park. And there are children from around the whole community that would be at the park at the same time, often with other grandparents. And so that's when children will start to hear another name being called. So when I was with Lily at the park, I heard one of the other little boys calling his grandparent dead up.

And right away I would recognize that that is from the Serbian community, because you'll know from book number two that my grandson's name is Milosh, and it's because they're Serbian, and he called his grandfather Deda. So I was perked up right away. They must be Croatian or Serbian from the Balkans. So I'm very aware and keep myself attuned to the different languages and words that are used for grants. grandparents. So I think it's important that the kids learn about other cultures and recognize that that's, it's a learning opportunity. Everything is a learning opportunity. It's not just about having fun. But the other thing that I did is when I started doing the research for the grandparents, because as I said, I had no point of reference for grandparents other than what I would do myself because I never had any that were alive while I was around. I started asking everyone, what do you do? What do you do? What favorite memory do you have of your grandparents? parents? What do you like to do? And what I noticed was that it always centered around food. So the answer would always be, oh, we bake something in particular, we would make pasta, or we would do whatever. So then I started thinking about, hmm, everything centered around food.

That might be another book separately. So what is it that I want to do with this? And then it occurred to me. The reason that everybody has those points of references, because I was asking the wrong people. I was asking people of my age bracket. And so in the days of now we have all these processed foods, and you have microwaves, and you have air friars and other ways of cooking and preparing food in a very quick way. So, of course, food prep was what you, because the grandmother was probably needing to get all of those things done in order for the meal at dinner time. Yeah. And that it was just a practical thing that you would, I got to watch you as well,

so you might as well get in there hands on with me. Yeah. So then I started saying, okay, again, I'm not asking the right generation of kids. So I started actually asking the next generation down. And that's when I started getting the different answers about, oh, my favorite thing, memory of being with my grandmother was playing games. So I thought this needs to be about spending time with your grandchildren, not just what they call you, that's part of it, but it expands into some different activities.

So when we were putting the book together, I said, I'd like there to be a coloring page at the back of the book so that there's another activity. So if you go to the park with your grandchild in the morning, you're doing something. else in the afternoon. So what's your favorite thing to do? Whether it's going to get ice cream, it's going to a movie, it's going back to Nana and Pappas or whatever name your Papa or Yalu or Nana or Nona and going to their house and what are you going to be doing in the rest of the day? So it was to give ideas as well as the grandparents on different activities that they can enjoy and explore doing with their grandchildren.

I'm thinking about it in a more conscious way. Yeah, I love that. You mentioned food and people remembering that about my grandmother, grandparents. My grandmother was a wonderful, loving woman, and just a beautiful matriarch. And she really taught me about femininity and just was probably the greatest woman I've ever known in my whole life. And she would cook for you. And we come from a species of where breaking bread among strangers, and friends and relatives,

it was always a social thing. It used to be. So my grandmother, she would, what do you want to eat? And she kind of had her standard of some sandwiches and some scrambled eggs. She always had sandwiched meat,

and she made great scrambled eggs in old cast iron pans. Whenever she cooked, she would say, come in the kitchen and talk to me while I make you some food. And so you sit in the kitchen as a young boy, a young girl, and you would sit there and she would talk to you.

You talked to her because she was going to feed you, and she'd be like, how's your day? And nine times in a time when you ask kids how the day was, they're just like, fine, go to the room. But she had this way of, I'm going to make you some food, and you're going to tell me your stories and what you've been up to. And so you would interact with her. You would talk to her. You sit there at the dinner table in her kitchen, and she would whip up food. And you just, there was something about it where you, you just, there was something about it where, You just always knew it was made with love.

That was a secret ingredient. She was there talking to her. She cared. What do you want? I'll make you anything you want. And you knew she had eggs and lunch meat and whatever, whatever else she might have been working on for dinner or something. But she would cook it for you. And then you would talk to her.

You would interact with her. You'd have a conversation you wouldn't even have with your parents with her. That's how she was. We'd walk to church together. And then she played piano. a great pianist and she would play piano and have me sit next to her on the piano and do that. So the memories that I have my grandparents are really wonderful, at least on that side of my parents, let's put it that way.

The other side of the parents not so good. But it gave me, the beautiful part was it gave me these blueprints of loving, wonderful people and sometimes not so wonderful loving people, manipulative, evil, lots of emotional problems. And it gave me these two blueprints that I could look at as a child on top of my parents and go, how do people relate to each other? How do people experience each other? How to wire some people different than others? Having that love, that food, we used to gather around the table as a huge family at the holidays, and we'd have three or four families there. And then my father and my grandmother, the patriarch and the matriarch, my grandmother, and just

are these huge spreads of food. You really don't do that anymore. I don't know, maybe my family's different, but it's unfortunate. I missed that. I miss that eating together and breaking bread together as a family. Families are smaller now, generally. If you have siblings, you may have none. You're an only child.

Yeah. And that's so you might have from the next generation, there might be three, and somebody decides not to have children. And then the others only have one or somebody has two, but rarely do you find any more three and four and five children. And that changes things very much in terms of the dynamic. And again, with all of the processed foods and fast foods, we don't spend as much time in that same way. And so there are other ways to spend time with your children or grandchildren. That's true.

That's true. I took mine down to the adoption clinic, spent a couple hours there with them the other day. and boy, I wish them the best. Anyway, what do you call your mommy? Is your second book, I believe. And this is a three-part series, correct? It is, yes. Give us an overview of that book.

That book is really designed for very early readers. It was the main character is our first grandchild race. And she had just started junior kindergarten, her first experiences of going to school. And so I thought this was a, a really good place as well, that it's usually moms that do pick up the children from school, and that's going to be where their first exposure is to language, and it's in what the children are going to call their mummy when they're picked up. Because the phrase, hi, mommy, and whatever

name, it's mama, or ma, or nene, whatever word that you're going to be using. And it will be natural for the child who will flip from English to their home language and again it's that initial exposure to different cultures and languages and becoming more cognizant of it. In our society as well my other concern is really around acceptance. Immigration is very much a part of our world in different countries whether you're in North America or you're in the UK you are going to experience a great deal of immigration. And therefore, the exposure to many different cultures is something that you're visually going to see and you're going to hear it on a daily basis.

And so it's about hearing that language and one of the first words you're probably going to learn. It's usually da-da, but because it's easier, depending on what your name is for the person as to what the first word out of a child's mouth is going to be, whether it's mommy or daddy, but it's the very first exposure to language. So it made sense that it would be, what do you call your mummy, and being really cognizant and aware of the other languages. So again, I did research the top languages, so that's representative of what you would really hear. So I didn't use uncommon languages. Yeah. It was English and French and Spanish.

And I chose Mandarin over Cantonese just when I researched in terms of where it was which language was more prevalent to be spoken. And it came out Mandarin. Same with looking at the South Asian community. It was Punjabi versus Urdu or Ful or Gujarati. So I chose Punjabi because it's more prevalent in what a child in. my area is going to hear. See, I told my kids they have to refer to me in kind of the king's English context of whatever. So they have to refer me to as they have to refer to me as high lord and king god of gracious superior. That's what they have to refer to me as.

His majesty. Yeah. Thank you. I knew I was leaving something off there. Thank you. Thank you. His majesty. They also have to do the curtsey and bow. so whether they're boys or girls, they have to do both. Boys, Kurtziana. Don't you have to address to Kurtziana? Anyway, but this is really good. What do you call your daddy? Now, can I give this to girlfriends,

or is that not the way this works? Not really the audience that I was targeting for at all. What do you call your daddy? Of course, it falls within the theme, the mummy, the daddy, the grandparents. But my grandson, is the main character, the second grandchild and the first grandson. And his name, he has a cultural name, it's Milosh. And so being able to see also cultural name within the book,

because that was something else that I really took the time to research when it was both for what do you call your mommy and what do you call your daddy is I was looking for in the book, what were the, I looked up, what are the top ten? girls names in each of the countries and then I chose one of those so that it's potentially going to number one it's a cultural name but it will be one of the more popular ones so I did the same with the second book what do you call your daddy only not all of the children are going to be male they are unlike in book number one where it's all female names just the way I wrote it and then when I got to the second one, what do you call your daddy? It's a mixture. The names will be culturally sensitive as well. Yeah. You know, it's important to know these because, like I say, I got really confused. When I was growing up, they just called them grandma, grand grandpa. But over the years, I'll meet people like Nana. They call their grandparents Nana or sometimes I've heard some really

weird things when I'm like, what? They're like, oh, yeah, that's short for grandma. and it's always a loving, some sort of loving connotation. And I was being confused. What are you calling him? That's not, this. The proper name is grandma. But certainly there's not a proper name. People can do whatever they want all around the world, different cultures and people.

So I think it's as good as it supposes children about all these different variations. That way you're not confused. The book number two was that I actually researched what the curriculum was in grade one. And so certainly geography and sociology, cultural sensitivity is where they're introduced to it in grade one. One of the other themes is modes of transportation. So my first granddaughter, she and her experience with school has been really positive and she loves school and she loves learning. My grandson, however, is not welcoming the school environment in the same way, not embracing it. Let's put it that way.

And that's perfectly fine. His favorite time is the time he spends outside of school, whether it's in sports activities or in this case with the book is riding on the lawn tractor with his Tata. Because that's the name that he has for his daddy. And so part of it was even within our own nuclear family, you start bringing. bringing in different cultures once your children marry and they marry someone from a different culture. And how are you going to assimilate that into your home environment? So, now the third book in the series, we're going to get some more details after this,

but the third book in the series is, I believe we want to talk about, I think I lost track of it, there we go. We want to talk about, let's see, what do you call your daddy? So we've got the mommy, We've got the daddy book. We've got everything all-inclusive there. And then many of the books you wrote or written with a lesson in mind. What messages do you want to send to young readers? The main perspective of the books, the underlying lesson, is about that we all live in the same community. But we're different.

We're unique. And that is about acceptance. There's too much hatred or acceptance. or people use the word tolerance for people from different cultures. And those words are not appropriate. It is about acceptance. We are who we are. We accept people for who they are.

And we celebrate our differences, whether that is in the color of our skin, the language that we speak, the words that we use to call our parents, our loved ones. Oh. What got you into run and write? What got you into writing?

And when did you kind of feel you had a knack for it? I still don't know whether I have a knack for it or not. But there's certainly, the interest has been there for a very, very long time. I was thinking back that I think I wrote my first book, which would probably have been a couple of thousand words anyway, easily. It wasn't like a short story of a page and a half, 250 words, double spaced, full scabre, like we used to write when I was in school, it was probably about 50 pages single spaced. And that was when I was in grade five. I had quite the imagination.

I was always reading books and didn't watch television really as a child. It wasn't allowed in our household. I just immersed myself in books, and I really hope that children today enjoy books the way that I have always done. And so, but so the writing end of it was getting into some creativity. My first book was about the UFOs and extraterrestrial and aliens of meeting them and them immersing into our society. And I remember doing that, of course, that was a long time ago. But then you become an adult and life gets in the way. And the only writing I would ever do at that point in time was any reports that I had to submit.

So I got very good at being concise and factual. So it's really nice to just put that aside and just let the creative side come out a little bit. But what is unique about it is, and the challenge is writing to the reading level that you want to write to. What's the target that you have for these books in the age? This will be ages four to eight. Four to eight. And why do you feel it's important that, The children's books are there for children, but also parents or grandparents reading to children and

interacting with them and teaching them reading instead of just drooling out the side of their face looking at a phone screen. As you mentioned yourself, one of your best memories is of your grandmother saying, come and sit here while I make your lunch and the time that there's activity that's involved. So the focus isn't on sitting and talking in the same way. It becomes a little bit more natural for conversation to flow. And there's nothing like at the end of the day sitting at the dinner table as a family, which I know a lot of people get away from.

It's in front of the television or it's pulling a stool up to a bar and everybody's doing their own thing, scrolling on their phones. So I'm hoping that people take a step back, take the time to read. It's very important to learn that skill set very early and to recognize if there's any troubles in learning how to read because it will follow them for the rest of their life. Nothing to me is more important than that. And what's better than an enjoyable book? And if there's a lesson that's in there that means an opportunity to follow up with conversation, then it's wonderful.

Communication is so important. Yeah, and you learn so much more with the book. You have to use your imagination a little bit. you have to animate the characters in your head and you learn about the characters and stuff, where a lot of movies and a lot of stuff that people are going to consume on screens and iPads and stuff like that, it plays out the story for them. And so there's not a lot of call to imagination because it's presented for you. But the great thing about reading books is you get to get that imagination juices going. And children are so great at that age where the world seems like

it has endless potential and and and just just you can do whatever you want you can imagine whatever you want we get older than a bit jaded and we're just like yeah you can imagine whatever you want kid but we got the IRS bills to pay and debt and credit cards and shoot-al-lose yeah absolutely life gets in the way it certainly does now one of the other questions i had for you was do you see more books coming out in this series in this series in this series with a multicultural theme specifically, no. I do have several ideas of other books that I would like to write, but I think at some point you move along.

One of the next book that I was looking at writing was to do with, and the working title is Who's in Your Tree? And it's about the way family makeup is, whether you have one parent or two parents or... sets of grandparents because of remarriages and your children, my children, and our children. But it was also to include things like, as you jokingly mentioned about taking your children down for adoption, see how they make out, that was to include being a foster child then being adopted and just including all those. And when you were growing up, I know certainly for me, there was a level of respect that you

had for adults and people that you called aunt and uncle were not blood relatives they were just or the loving expression of kissing cousins has gone away but it's you know they say you can't choose your you can choose your friends you can't choose your family that depends on how you define family oh so there's a way out of this so there's always the way out of this and bright side to everything So that's one of the ideas. But moving then back to the multicultural theme, the other thought process is to start writing books for younger children as well, educating them more specifically on some of the cultural holidays.

So whether you're talking about Eid Mabarik or whether you're talking about Ramadan or any of the other days that other cultures celebrate and why they celebrate those days. the Diwali. So we'll see. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see. I think that would make a great book. And different things like this to help the kids understand the simplicity of the world and how it works and how they can interact with it, really important. How did you, what's your writing standard that you use? Do you write an hour a day or try and write every, what are your habits that you used to get these books written? My writing style is that I do it in my head first before I ever commit anything to paper

so that the outline is already there. So I spent quite a bit of time as you can imagine because when I talked about some of the research that I've done is the outline was already there in my head and then I started poning it from there in terms of, because you can spin off into different areas of what she thought she were going to write in the first element, and then it expands, such as when I started looking at the grade one curriculum and looking at the geocultural requirements of the curriculum, but it also, one of the things was modes of transportation was an important element in grade one curriculum. So I made sure that when I wrote the second book, what do you call your daddy?

Because I'm focusing on things outside of school, modes of transportation, whether that's taking the school bus home, or Milo's on the tractor with his dad, or whether you're being driven to school by your parents in their car, whether you're riding your bike. These are all fun things to do, but there are also modes of transportation and flying in an airplane. So that was incorporated into the storyline while still talking about what do you call your parent, what do you call your dad? Yeah. Yeah. These are really interesting things in learning and growing, adapting for young people and getting them familiar with the world and how it works and also the diversity of the world. How it works. I love about it.

Why did you choose self-publishing versus traditional publishing? When I started looking at the two. different styles, the self-publishing versus traditional. It is very clear that only 1 to 2% of authors ever get published in the traditional format. So if you really want to have a book out there, then self-publishing, you're more or less in the driver's seat. Yeah, it does give you more control and copyright control too. A lot of people don't realize after you publish a book with a traditional publisher, if there's anything you want to change, it's nearly impossible to do

because they own part of the copyright too and they're just usually like no we edit it's stuck the way it is and yeah you get a lot more control if you want to go back and change some I've seen people that they had an A and B side did the book and they decided they wanted the B in the front

and the A in the back they wanted to flip the way the book was laid out they couldn't do that because it was the publisher no we're not doing that. Let's just leave it the way it is you should have done that in the first place and that editing. So yeah, it's hard. Even a lot of some of the authors we talk to, they don't even get to choose their book cover. And I'm like, you have to look at that book

cover and sign that book for the rest of your life. You better like the cover. Because everyone's going to be asking to sign it. You're just like, there's that cover that I hate. Yeah, that's make sure you like your cover, folks. What key message might you like to send to aspiring authors? There is a lot of information that's available on the internet in terms of what it's like to get involved in the different aspects of writing and publishing. And once you start down that rabbit hole, it's everywhere. And there are many different publishers out there.

They will reach out to you. If you make queries, there's cookies on sites. You end up with everything. So I think that the main message for anyone that's looking to self-publish versus the traditional format, given that a traditional format is only going to give you access, that you've got a 1 to 2% chance of being published and accepted, you're guaranteed when you're the one putting the money that's up front. But no matter what, you have to look at your cost benefit in that.

analysis because publishers will approach you to upsell in terms of marketing packages. That's what they're in the business to do. What is it that you're hoping for to get out of your book? It is success for you, just putting it on Amazon.ca. It self-publishing and maybe selling 250 copies because all your friends and family are taking pity on you, whether they like the book or not, they're buying it. to support you or whether you are going to do more with it and get it out there. What is it that you really want to accomplish with your book?

And at the end of the day, you can put out a lot of money and end up with very little. It comes down to yourself in terms of what else are you going to do? So my analogy for anybody who's looking to be an author is think about people that you know or admire that have been very successful even in the music industry. And you start to hear about their life story and their early days of starving artists. And what they had to do to say somebody who's breaking out into the music industry, you now plays in every pub that's in their neighborhood and that's another opportunity for another bigger audience at a larger pub than the neighborhood one.

And they do that for years sometimes before they really get a sense of success, the sense of self, where they want to go with their music, where they get discovered. Writing a book, I don't see that as being really any different. What are you doing? Because if you are just simply relying on everyone, else to buy your book, you're going to sell that 250 copies to your friends and family. And that's where it's going to end. Yeah.

You've got to promote it. You've got to get it out there. You can build the greatest product on earth. I've learned this over business in many years. You can build the greatest product on earth, but if no one knows about it, no one buys it. And I've seen people do that. They go, well, I've built the greatest app. I built the greatest product ever.

And people just adopt to it because it's so great. No, Apple still had to tell people about the iPhone and sell it and market it and all that good stuff. It's something you have to do. Anything more? Maybe I should have asked you that we should know about on the books and what you're writing about and stuff before we go out. I certainly would love to hear some feedback from people in terms of, again, your family are all very positive for you and they're going to tell you it's the greatest thing since toast. But at the end of it, I'd like to hear that from other people in terms of it. of what you liked about it, what you really enjoyed.

One of the things that I didn't mention about book number two is that's being what do you call your daddy, is the storyline in that book has to do with the young boy, Miloge, looking at the world through maps on a tablet. So when I was doing my research on that, I found that in North America, 80% of school-age children will have a tablet and access to one in their home. Yeah. Which means that 20% will not. So I ask the publishers to put a map, fold out map into the back of the book

so that if children don't have access to the tablet in the same way to follow along the way the story goes, that they would be able to go to the back of the book, look at the map, find out where your ancestors come from. that was what was an important part for me to make accessible the accessibility of it that's really good most people can't even find their own country on a map these days I think I've heard that you ask him hey where's uh where's north America to point to I don't know the North Pole or something which it is right it's at the North Pole one day see I don't even know where I'm at thank you very much I lean for coming the show this has

been wonderful to have you and I'm glad you're writing these books to help people navigate diversity and and also all the different names they're out there in the world because I remember the first time I heard some weird names for grandparents and parents and I was like, what hell's going on over there? And it's just funny people have their own flavors and different things. And that's probably important to learn in life. Absolutely. So I think as we go out, give people your final pitch out and dot com's websites, emails, where we want people to find you on the interwebs. The books are available on Amble. Amazon.ca for Canada and dot com for in the United States. I also find that the books are available

in a number of different independent bookstores and hopefully more to come. The website is almost available. I think certainly for the U.S. I can purchase it now. The challenge was a little bit more with the Canadians in terms of the Canadian dollar. But I'm sure we have that sorted out momentarily. And that would be under E.J. Walker. And the reason that I put the initials in the middle is because there's more than one Eileen Walker and I'm not that musician or sadly not someone with the PhD. I am just E.J. Walker. All right. Thank you very much. It's been wonderful to have you on the show. Thank you very much for the opportunity. Thank you. And thanks for us for tuning in. Order per book.

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