The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Whispers on the Swing by Keith A Hartzler

Episode Date: May 22, 2026

Whispers on the Swing by Keith A Hartzler Whispersontheswing.com Explore the childlike wonder of faith with heartfelt reflections that invite you to express your thoughts freely, connecting with God as a loving Father. Discover the beauty of simplicity in spiritual conversations and embrace your inner child in faith. In Whispers on the Swing, readers are invited to engage in a playful dialogue with God, reminiscent of the beloved television show Kids Say the Darndest Things. This book transforms the profound into the playful, allowing us to voice our innermost thoughts and questions as if we were children again. Each page offers a collection of candid reflections that encourage a more authentic relationship with the divine. The author shares snippets of musings that reveal a desire to understand God more deeply, presenting Him not as a distant figure but as a caring Father eager for connection. These reflections serve as a gentle reminder that faith can be simple and accessible. By embracing our curiosity and vulnerability, we can explore our spiritual journey with the same openness and honesty that children exhibit. The book encourages readers to let go of adult pretenses and engage in a heartfelt conversation with God, fostering a sense of wonder and discovery. As you read through these thoughts, you may find yourself inspired to express your own feelings and questions, allowing your spirit to soar in the freedom of childlike faith. Whispers on the Swing invites you to rediscover the joy of spiritual exploration, reminding us that it’s perfectly okay to say the darndest things in our quest for understanding and connection with the divine. Embrace this journey and see where your thoughts may lead you.

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Welcome to the show, Keith. How are you? I'm great. Thanks, thanks, Chris, for letting me be on your show today. Thanks for coming. We really appreciate it. Give us.coms. Where can people find out more about you on the interwebs? Well, I have a website that is in my book. It's Whispers on the Swing at gmail.com. And I also have a website, Whispers on the Swing.com. Mostly with two setups that I have. Ah. So give us a 30,000 overview. What's inside this book?

30,000. Well, it's a compilation of a lot of, uh, little downloads that I get pretty much 4 o'clock in the morning. I wake up and I'm 69, so I have to get up at night sometimes, and I came back to bed and went to settle in, and I had phrases going through my head, and so I picked up my phone and started typing them in, and I wanted to put my phone down, got another one, and they're just little snippets that are like just like discussions with God or prayers to God, or I don't know.

Some people say it's kind of like a devotional, but I don't know. It's just, it's a description would be, kids say the darnest kid. If you kids say the darnest things, if you ever saw that Art Link Letter show, that's way back in the 60s. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's kind of like, it's, I'm an adult, but I got a little kid in me and everybody does. It's just when we grew up, we take ourselves so seriously. we don't let that child out. And it just kind of,

they're like honest discussions with God and the answers are kind of ambiguous, you know, that you can think of how God would answer or what he's saying or he may just, you know, he may, hey, I feel his presence, but

that's kind of how it is. There you go. The book is set up. So it's a playful dialogue with God reminiscent of the kids, the show the kids say the darned things. Boy, they sure do. But, you know, the great thing about kids at that age and saying the darndest things

is there's kind of an innocence to it, right? Yeah, there's innocence, there's trust, there's there's no filter, really. You're the filter for the kids. I raised three myself, but you know what? They are, they're innocent. And there's part of that

every one of us. Now, how do these thoughts? work because like I'm thinking of the time that my fiancee heard her little three-year-old daughter decided as I was taking her through the checkout line at the store I can't remember which one it was but she said why is that woman so fat or ugly one of the two I remember and of course it was an ear shot of everyone so kids do say the darndest things is it in that sort of like I said there's no filter you don't There's no filter.

Okay. All right. Does God swear a lot or does he, does he, you know, does he have a filter? He just let it. He swears on himself. Oh, okay. He swears on himself. He says, he uses, he says, my word is more valuable than anything.

And, and he holds himself to the standard of what he says he will do. And, yeah, he'll swear on himself. Does he use his own name in vain? Like, I'm, I won't swear, because. I'll pick on the YouTube algorithm, but does he use his own name of me? Like, gosh, durn, I'm sure am great, you know, but he said God. He does, he does. He swears in that what I say I will do. When he makes a promise, he keeps his promise, he keeps his word.

But swearing like we'll use the word, like, like I said, it's, it's, when God swears, he swears on his word. He says, I'm saying, I'm saying this. And so that has the value. It's not he's saying words that we would say out of anger or stuff like that. It's not that kind of an experience. And if you look at the Ten Commandments, he puts it down there. He values himself. The first four are about himself, our relationship with him, that the value is there.

And then the last six are about our relationships with fellow man. Yeah. I mean, he puts great value in who we are. Yeah. You know, it would be funny. It would be a good S&L bit if God was sitting around and swearing all the time. It was like, Jesus Christ, we look at what these human beings are doing, and then Jesus comes to room, what?

You want me? What's going on? He's like, no, I was just saying that. I hope you don't have that real view of that. No, I'm just doing a joke. I understand. You're being like. We do the cost.

comedy on the show. So what was the inspiration behind this book? This is your first book. What was the seed? Well, like you said, I started getting these little phrases and stuff, and I wrote them down, and I didn't know what I was going to do with them. I just figured, hey, oh, that's kind of, that's kind of, some are, are, can be amusing. Some can be thought provoking or whatever, and, and they can have many different, well, not maybe many, but Depending on where you're at the time when you read it or you think about it, it can inspire a different type of an answer reflective on where you are at the time, whether you're emotionally in a state of grief or something like that, or if you're really happy. I mean, you can get a different kind of a twist out of what you think the perceived answer would be.

but yeah I was I would get these and then after I got it happened for pretty regular every morning around four or five o'clock in the night for a couple hours I'd just type him in my phone and I'd save it and if I hadn't done that I wouldn't remember these these things and then what I did was I says you know what I got to share this I share it with my wife and I printed them up and I shared it with our our pastor's wife and and our pastor. And I didn't get much comment from my pastor, but the pastor's wife, she's, she's a bookaholic. I mean, she just reads and reads. She has so much stuff that retains. And she said, oh, these are really good. You ought to publish this. And it's like, really?

So there was an open door. And in the last six years, see, I actually published this. November of 2025. That's what it was actually published. And I started the process the year before in December to get a publisher. And on my birthday, I actually took the manuscripts and stuff to them and got the process started. So it took about six months, five months to get it published. And it was a self-published book.

So this is how advertisement happens and stuff. Oh, yeah. And book signings and stuff. yeah I but I've had a real positive response from I've given a book to friends of course and and some of them said well I just couldn't put it

down you can read it in 20 minutes because it's just really short snippets but when I when I ask them well what what did you think of the book and you go well I haven't got through it yet I said well you mean I gave it to you a week ago well I'm only on page 30 I says why is it taking you so long

well there's so much there's so much in it It was just, it was just something, something would kind of strike me. I'd just be thinking about it, you know, and I just really didn't get through it. And I go, wow, that's, that, it struck me that, that it, it had an impact like that with people. I have my brother, my brother, he hasn't read the whole thing through. He's been using it for every, every morning when he gets up and he reads, he has his little devotional time and stuff. He'll read one of them.

Yeah. Now he's caught, he's caught, he says, you know what? I kind of like this one. I need to say it back to me or something like that. But I says, wow, that's, that impressed me because this was the brother that we always fought when we were little. He was like, and, and, you know, and then, and then when we get to this point, he says, he's my next older brother. And when he shared that, it meant something to me to, to, to have someone that, that, that, I had a history with in a lot of different ways and that he's using it for a devotional.

And I go, I'm really impressed. Yeah. Well, you know, hopefully all are relatives to take and grow up. Let's put that way. But no, you know, I used to be a speed-reading demon, and I would speed run like at two and a half times or something through audiobooks and stuff. And I would just slam him out. And I had a guy who came on the show. And, you know, he was talking about reading comprehension and enjoying reading and different things like this.

And I told him about how, you know, he did that. And he went, he went, dude, tell me, tell me what was the last book you read? And man, I couldn't think of it. You know, I consume a lot of books on audio, audible. And he goes, okay, well, think of one you can remember. And I was like, oh, yeah, that good habits book or whatever it was. There's like some power habits. I can't remember.

I can't even remember what was. See? And he goes, what did you learn inside of it? And I go, you make good habits and do things? And he goes, you don't really remember, do you? And I go, no. And he goes, he goes, dude, slow down, you know, quit, quit buying the audiobooks and speed running them. He goes, you're not really learning anything.

You're just blasting through stuff. So he goes the real way to enjoy reading and writing is to is to read it and ponder it. You know, take little snippets and then, you know, highlight them in a paperback. And I was like, God, you're right. I'm just, I'm just doing this for the scoreboard. I'm not learning anything. I mean, maybe there's something that I pick up. But a lot of it doesn't stick.

And so, you know, I think it's great people are doing that with your book. You know, even though you can speed read it if you want to do that, some people like that. They love that. But, you know, I, I sit down with like meditations, Marcus Aurelius in the morning or some sort of other stoic stuff. And I usually sit down. I just open up somewhere in the middle. And I'll just kind of read what's there and then highlight what I think is important and really just kind of absorb and focus on what that individual sort of snippet is. I think that's a better way to read and learn stuff. Yeah, I remember I used to I used to be a straight A student when I was young

And then I I I in the middle of third grade I was I was moved because all my other Brothers were going to a different school I would walk to one and they'd walk to another And I got in the middle of the school and over a weekend They had an opening to where I could go to that school and my mom asked me if I wanted to go to that school I said yeah and so in the middle of third grade left friends, everything, everything that I had known for all that. And I went there and it was just like, I changed, I actually became like a C student. And it kind of didn't change

until I got to be a sophomore or junior in high school to where I started actually getting serious about it. But what I would do, I would like social studies, I don't know what they call it now, history or whatever, I'd go through the book. We had to read the chapter or whatever. I'd read all the black subtitles at the top of each paragraph and that's what I would read and then I'd go to the next one and the next

one and I really didn't get much. I just knew what they were maybe talking about but I didn't have real information behind it and I cheated myself by doing that but I was just trying to hack the system

and I mean I made friends and I reunited with friends but I mean when you when you disrupt your life like that, yeah, it just kind of messes things up. Oh, yeah. But like you said, you were just trying to get, hey, I read 80 books last year. Yeah, that's it.

Well, yeah, the guy sets it straight on that. Yeah, you called it, man. I mean, I was trying to read 100 books a year or something like that or, you know, and I just wasn't, I wasn't retaining any of it. I can't remember the last book I read. So that tells you where I was going back and reading them over now. Yeah, the ones that are important that I really like. I started marking those and then I buy the paperback or the hardcover, you know, because then you can mark it up.

And then you can kind of, when you open it again, you can go, oh, there's that lesson again. And, you know, we all need your reminders. Like there's a million things to remember in life. We all need your reminders some of the good things. Now, you entitled the book, Whispers on the Swing. Why do you use the swing a metaphor or whatever? Well, it's not a metaphor. The book, it has a swing on the cover, and the front cover has, it's actually the person that did the artistry on it.

She was so great. She took some pictures and stuff. That's my actual swing in the backyard. And I was sitting there and I had my arm up on the thing that she took a picture of that. And then I says, I'd like to have like an adult there. And then a child sitting beside them. And so she has, you can just see the top of the head of the child. And then you see his feet dangling down off the ground.

and that's my actual swing. And then on the back cover, it shows you're seeing a back view on the front, and you see in a front view, but it's empty on the back cover. And my dog, Jack, is he's got him drawing. And she did such an excellent job, but that's my quiet place. That's, I mean, it's not necessarily where I study, but I do go out there. I pray sometimes, but it's just, I'm just out, the birds are chirping. Oh, it's just, I'm loving it right now.

I haven't, I've only been out there a couple times because we've been, well, we've had rain all day to day. Oh, yeah. But, and then he, he likes to go out, we play fetch out there and stuff. And, and, but it's, it's just like the quiet place. And when I want to give the manuscript to the publishers, the person that was kind of interviewing, and she said, well, what do you think of a title? I says, well, I, I don't really, I don't really know. I says, I kind of shared some things. And then she says, oh, well, these, and I told her what I was putting on the front.

She says, oh, well, she gave me a cup on whispers on the swings. As soon as she said, I go, I like that. I like that. It's stuck. And, you know, when you're in a place that's kind of your private area, it's, you're, you're, you're, you're, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it, it just evokes what is in the book. they're just little whispers. Yeah. They're just little secrets that you have with God,

because every one of the phrases except one that I wrote has Lord, comma, and then the rest of it, the rest follows. And it's only like a sentence or two. And people say, well, there's not much in this book. There's a lot in this book. It's just, you can't read it like you read it. You just have to sit down and, I mean, you can do it with an e-book. but it's something about having a book in there.

I'm not a book. My wife is, but I'm not. I would follow sleep reading a book. But I thought this would, these things here created lessons and things with me. They helped me. Yeah. And basically it's just, it's part of me in the book, just like somebody that writes a novel. There's something about the novel that's probably real in their lives.

One of the authors I met at the London Book Fair, he was a, I'm not sure novelist, or he would tell stories, but he would always base them where he had grown up as a child and through his 20s maybe. And everything in every one of his books would have a connection to that spot. And I thought, well, that's really good. But I didn't come with any intent with this. In fact, I would have never done it if she had. hadn't said, hey, you ought to, you ought to publishes. No. Because I took value in who she was, and she had written a book, but she never got a

publisher to take it. Oh. She didn't try to self-publish. And I said, boy, you should self-publish your book. Oh, yeah. Because when you write something, it has value to you. And regardless of whether it necessarily sells, it puts it out there and it makes us an accessible to people that need to hear it.

And I believe there's a lot of people, especially in our world today, there's so much fractured types of things. I don't want to get political or anything. Sure. But there's so much, there's fear, there's apprehension. People don't know, people don't know God. People don't believe God. But the thing is, some of the things that are happening all over our world,

are, I think, are just, people are starting to realize, boy, I think there is a God. What's he doing? And this book, it just kind of takes you back to a time when you had more innocence in your life than your own struggles. Because when you grow up in life, you go through struggles, you go through work. I'm retired now, so I don't have that in my life, but I have the experiences of it. Everything that I have in my experience in my life, I have. But a lot, I don't remember a lot of my childhood early days. And I'm amazed when I come into people, they will be able tell what they happened.

When they were two, I go, how do you remember that stuff? But this book, it kind of takes you there in an intellectual way to learn. You can ask God anything because he's interested in you. interested in what you think he wants he wants he wants relationship that's why he created us he created us to to because he wanted to have people that chose to engage with him and love him and that that kind of stuff we're stuck we're stuck here right now no we're planted here i should see stuck stuck is bad we're we're planted here yeah and as we're here we're growing up and we're maturing he wants to be involved in that whole process and and uh and uh

Some of the things that we go through that are struggles for us, that's just where he's maybe pruning us, and he's just snipping off something here or snipping off there. And one of the things that I wrote in here kind of pertains to that. It says, Lord, help me not to hold on a thing so tightly so you can give them to me. If we're holding on to something really tightly, it has a higher value than what it needs to have. He wants him, he wants us to value him more than anything.

And if something is grabbing our hearts to the degree that it's, it's greater than him, he doesn't really want that to be holding that position. So he might kind of cut that off of us. But if we give it to him, he has the opportunity. to give it back to us. It doesn't have the importance. We've sacrificed this. If this isn't something you want me to have,

you can have it, you take it. It's yours. But that gives him the opportunity to give it to us. Oh. And it's, so there's a lot of different things that, that, these little sayings, I,

there's only 200 in here, but I got more than 1,400 of them. So, I mean, I'm going to do another book probably. Oh. But I don't know what's going to happen with this one. But I believe that the people that need to see this are going to get to see it. I think he's going to make a way for that to happen.

However that happens, it's up to him. But I am self-promoting a little bit. No, it's fine. We'll see what happens, you know. You got to self-promote to get your word out. Well, it's, I want, I want people to be aware of it. I mean, if you go, if you go online, I went online to try and find it. I couldn't find it.

I had to have either my full name with the middle initial in it or the title of it, you know, or refine it on, on, uh, yeah, uh, Amazon. And, uh, a thing is, there have been people that have purchased it. I don't know how they even found it, you know, probably because they were voracious readers or something or like you. They just wanted to read. another book, you know. Yeah.

But you can always learn stuff. So let me ask you this. How would you describe your characteristics in your relationship with God in these prayers that you've written? How would you describe yourself?

Well, these little snippets, I kind of call them. They just there were things that happened over lifetime, but in the last six years, with all the stuff going on and everything, I wanted to get closer to God. I wanted to understand why things are, how they are, and et cetera, and for myself, I can't change myself, but I can put myself in a position where I can change change.

And I was kind of on that journey. And I said something before about open doors. And I started to walk through doors that, I mean, I had worked for 32 years at this one company. And then I had some, because of repetitive motion and stuff, I had some problems that I had to have surgically dealt with. And I had four surgeries in one year in six months. And it was just like, man. And I ended up having to retire. Oh, wow.

And it opened up a door for me to do some things like be a landlord. I wouldn't suggest that for anybody. It's not my kind of character to be a landlord. But I made a purchase of a property because I was looking for something to do. and I walked through an open door. And I just tried to be as good of a landlord as I could. And I sold that place, and I bought a property for our church. We'd been looking for three years.

I purchased that. Boy, who wants to be a landlord for their church? But it's worked out. It took a while to get to where everyone was comfortable, and I was comfortable and now it's it's worked out and

what I did was I walked through open doors and this here experience was another open door and you know what I'm just going to do it and I had my wife's support and some other friends that actually

went through the manuscript that brought it down to these particular ones these all this spoke to me there's at least three out of the six people that I talked to that all picked one particular one. And so I picked the ones from that grouping or better. There was one that all of them did. And it wasn't the one I thought would be.

But you have your own favors when you are working, you know, doing some things like that. And I don't want to keep going on. but it just yeah anyway yeah why do you think people are often afraid to speak honestly to god about doubt anger confusion or disappointment maybe so things you talk about in the book from from my experience my own self and i'm i'm not coming against my dad but my dad didn't know how to be relational he was he was of course i'm 69 so he grew up through the depression and different things.

And the particular denomination that we grew up in was really conservative. And you weren't supposed to be flashy or do this or do that or whatever. And he had a lot of, he was one of, he was the only son of four siblings. He had three sisters. and I don't know how that and his dad died when he was 21. Oh. And, and, you know, so he had, he had a difficult time relating. Well, I was his fourth of five boys.

And by the time I was born, I really didn't get to know him because he started to have some back issues because of work and stuff. So my relationship with my dad kind of laid the impressions on my own mind as to what God was like because that was my example. And I think a lot of people have there's a lot of people that have good relationships with their father. There's a lot of people that don't have good relationships with their fathers.

There's a lot of in between. But it does form, because it's the male figure, it does form or formulate. our view of God. And so it does taint it. It does have an effect. And of course, our mother is the other aspect of God because God is not male or female.

He created male and female, but they were aspects of God. I know if you analyze, you say, women operate out of one side of the brain and the men are out of the other. One's logical and one's emotion. but you put those two together and you have the heart of God, which is the man and the woman. And between the two of them, when he said, when he created man, he says, it's not good that man should live alone.

Yeah. Needs to have that other person there and they need to have something where they have a commonness together. The animals have male and female, but, you know, and some people say it'd be better if women wouldn't have to come along or Maybe it would have been better if he hadn't created man. He just created a woman. But we have a twisted idea of God based on our relationships. I think with male figures and the figures in our life that we maybe emulate. I mean, if our father wasn't there in our society, in America,

there's a big percentage of fathers that aren't even in the in the picture anymore with kids, especially in their upbringing. That hurts that relationship. That hurts the child that grows up in that. And then what happens is it gets passed on. Generational trauma. They can do this or they may just say, I'm staying in this relationship. I'm going to be a good father and stuff.

and it can break in that. But, but I mean, there's, there's a lot of things. I'd say that is a biggest thing. And it was, it was tough on,

on me, because I couldn't understand why my dad couldn't do some things with me because he couldn't get down. He did it. He'd get down and tussle with us a little bit, but he had back issues. And so it was difficult to,

to do that. I had four other brothers, so they tussle. with me. Yeah. But it it does hurt that opportunity for relationship that you have to sometimes have to overlook

those, but those are what we really base our stuff about God with our relationship with one another. And so you define that in the book, you lay it out, and you say there's a forthcoming book. Do you have an anticipated date for that book? well in my mind I think I could actually do another book I would say it would probably be the same title

it would just be maybe the binder would maybe have a different color on the binding and maybe it would have a tube beside it or something I don't know but I would like to to do it but I'm going to let this one rest a little while I wouldn't think I'd do another one until I let this one be out for like a year

or something but we'll see but I I don't, you know, I could, I could do another one and say, hey, you can buy both of these for the price of one or something like that. Yeah. But I don't know. I'm interested in these things getting out there to people so that, because it did. Like I said, it benefited me. The things spoke to me.

And I'm, I'm interested in being a positive, I don't know what you'd say. A positive influence. Yeah. Positive influence. And however I may be, people are always going to, you look at me long enough, I'm going to screw up. I just will. That's something our pastor said, you think I'm here, but you stick around me long enough. You watch me long as I'm going to drop down to what you feel is your level because I'm no different than you.

And I think that's a healthy way of looking at yourself. I mean, I can, I'm built to disappoint because I have sin in my mind. life. You know, I mean, I just am. But, but at the same time, when I had victories, that's, that's really great. And this to me was a victory. Just the fact that, that people got a kick out of some of the stuff. And I had a sister-in-law, she says, oh, I laughed and I cried, and I had all different things, all different emotions. I said, wow, you know, it's, you know, you never know what how how something you do might affect someone and for for those kinds of things it's just like I I'm not I'm not proud or I'm not whatever trying to stay humble and stuff

and it's just something God allowed me to do and and I hope it I hope it reaches as many people as it can for the sake that it does something that helps them some way or another. Maybe gives them the opportunity. Wow. I can talk to God like this. Talk to God however you want to. You can scream at him, yelling, or whatever, but you can also have a relationship with him, just like you do with a person.

Yeah. It just, the thing is, it's not somebody that you see, but you witness in, in a form of you can see God working through other people. You can see God working through different things because it says that creation is a witness. It speaks of God. So nobody can say, I don't believe in God, because all of creation bears witness of him. And so my hope is that this could maybe be something to draw somebody towards God, at least a little closer or something like that.

It starts them on that path because that's the most important thing in our lives is to get closer to God to have a relationship with Him. And that's what you hope people derive from your book? Yeah. The opportunity is there. Is there one passage or idea and whispers of the swing that you hope every reader walks away from remembering? Maybe you want to share one real quick before we leave?

Or you can just, you know, recite it off the top of your head of what... There's one in here. Lord, yesterday and tomorrow really kicking me around. Could we spend a day together? That's what it does is, you know, you have your past and everybody has a past. And you look towards the future, you have desires or you have projections or whatever. And those can cause worry or stress or whatever, depending on what kind of whatever you're running through your mind. You know what? Lord, I'd just like to spend a day with you.

Can I do that? Can I put these other two things that are pushing me around? Can I just spend a day with you that would just be because this is where I'm at right now. Can I be myself? you can put a lot of different things in something that just says that Lord yesterday and tomorrow are kicking me around can we just spend a day together people put a lot of different ways the other one that says Lord I'm here I'm there

be with me in both places I can be as deep or as funny or whatever that you choose but it's gonna it's it's something that you can sit down And you can pick it up and put it down. And you can come back and read the same one later on. And it might mean something totally different. Yeah.

It's not something. It's not like you read it through. And, wow, that was a good ending. Hmm. And you can never read the book again without knowing what the results are going to be at the end. But it's different in this because each one is an individual book in itself. So that's where I like to see people get out of it. All right. That's very cool.

So as we go out, give people a final pitch out to write the book where they can get to know it better and all those things. Well, I mean, it's a positive type of book. It's not something that's going to make you depressed or anything. I have the ones that I read it, the pastor's wife, she had just lost her husband six months previous to this coming out. and my wife has had bouts with depression and things like that, you know, a chemical amount kind of thing. And then our new pastor and his wife, they were both ones that did it. And also the illustrator, she contributed, she went through. And each one of them, it was really kind of interesting how each one of them, when I was looking at it and I kind of analyzed a little bit.

the pastor's wife, she loved the humor and other things that are involved, but she was going through grief, so it uplifted her. My wife in her depression, she was looking at the, she was looking at things where there was maybe some struggle or some other things like that, and it helped her in that. Those were the ones that she picked out that she liked better. Then the pastor's wife that we have now, hers were, now I don't have verbatim scripture or anything like that in here, But ones that you would say would be related to Scripture, those were the ones that spoke with her. And our pastor, he liked the one that says, Lord, you say that gray hair is, or white hair is a sign of wisdom. What happens when it all falls out? I mean, you can take that in different ways.

But he liked that because it related to kind of, he's like me. He looks like that. And the hat hides. The hat hides a lot of things. But anyway. And then the illustrator, she's really, she's really artsy in that. And hers things kind of gravitated towards maybe things that related with nature. I mean, it's just kind of interesting.

It's like, wow, that's interesting how each one had a, their focus seemed to be kind of geared, But yet they chose the same ones otherwise, but then the ones where they were the only one that chose, that was where it got kind of interesting. I've known them for 30 years. So, and, and so that was, that was, people are drawn to, people are drawn to maybe what resonates with them or maybe what they're working on. That's what we'll speak to you at the time. Like you said at the beginning, that when you go through it, It'll strike you differently.

Maybe a week later, you read the same thing. Yeah. I sit on the same one, you know, it will strike you differently. And that's true of a lot of things. A scripture is very much like that. Sometimes you can read and I'm not getting anything out of this. All of a sudden, boom, something just jumps out at you. Yeah.

And it's like you have some kind of revelatory kind of thing. And you'd read that how many times before? But God brought you to a certain place. And at that point in time, he let you read something that spoke to you and used that. And that happens in this book. It does. Yeah.

I mean, people, you know, it is interesting. You know, that's why I recommend, like we were talking about before, sitting down with a real book and using a magic marker. I got like a whole box of, not magic markers, but highlighters. all highlighters and boy I retain so much better I'm so glad I had that guy on the show who came and told me he goes quick there's a lot

of room look at this okay so here here I just look at the page up you see there's just a phrase like there's plenty of room there's illustrations at the bottom top opposite pages but there's lots of room that you can put a comment in there yeah you may you may write

something down and and dated or something kind of like a journal type thing and if you come back to that same one later on you just I feel like reading that book again and go through it wow this and you can write something down

and it would be entirely different if you had the same one that kind of spoke to you it was I'm really I'm really excited about the book in that I've been nominated for some for you know those little seals they put on them

it's kind of an important thing in the literary I got a recommendation from what's the name of their book reviews book reviews so my new book you see there's nothing on this but if you get a new one there'll be a seal right here

for that it says it's recommended and I've got three more that are two in the fall and one next early winter in January February who knows maybe I'll get a couple more seals on that that'd be just great but you know that's not

what's important is what's important is the phrases that are in the book and I hope that I hope that people just get it and just go through it and you can always gift it to somebody else too so yeah makes a great gift buying for the holidays give them out to all your

family and friends right yeah yeah so well give us the dot coms one last time as we go out title of the book Whisperson the swing dot com and Whisperson the swing at gmail.com thank you very much for Keith for

coming on the show. You did a great job and wonderful stuff there and way to inspire people. I appreciate your questions and I hope I answered them as well as I could. You did amazing. Awesome stuff there. Folks, pick up the book where refined books are sold. Whispers

on the swing. You can find it wherever fine books are sold and it's also linked on the Chris Vos show. Thanks about us for tuning in. Go to goodreads.com Fortress Chris Foss. Lincinniton.com Fortess Chris Foss 1 on the TikTok and all this crazy place. Be good to each other. Stay safe. We'll see you next time.

You've been listening to the most amazing, intelligent podcast ever made to improve your brain and your life. Warning. Consuming too much of the Chris Walsh Show podcast can lead to people thinking you're smarter, younger, and irresistible sexy. Consume in regularly moderated amounts. Consult a doctor for any resulting brain bleed. All right, Keith, wonderful job. Good stuff there. In the final version, this one.