The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Wholistic Wealth: Redefining Success Beyond Money with Ania and Dion-Rene Hulsman

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Starting point is 00:01:26 advertising on the podcast, but it is not an endorsement or review of any kind. Today we have an amazing young couple on the show where we're talking about their insights, what they do and how they do it in terms of health and wealth. Today we have a British couple and a British Dutch couple. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to be an exclusive to the Dutch as well. We'm sorry, I didn't mean to be an exclusive to the Dutch as well. We want to, or the British are both. It's all Europe really, when it comes down to it, right? Anyway, Anya and Dionne Holtzman join us on the group. We're going to be talking to them about their insights and what goes on. I'm sure I lost pretty much most of the British and Dutch crowd at this point,

Starting point is 00:02:05 but we'll get them some new wooden shoes or something and make it up to them. So they are a British Dutch couple. They do peak performance, organizational and leadership development specialists. They're on a mission to help business owners of scale ups to achieve what they call holistic health, wealth beyond money. We, they firmly believe there are three pillars to a wealthy life in order. A thriving business that supports your life, not the other way around, fulfilling personal and intimate relationships and excellent physical and mental health. A lot of what they're doing with their clients is based upon their own life experiences backed up by research.

Starting point is 00:02:42 And they do a different form from other business coaches and consultants and put the owner in the center of everything and focus on the whole person. They call it the iceberg metaphor. We'll have to find out what that's about. It sounds titanic. Pete Slauson Welcome to the show. How are you, ladies and gentlemen? Peter Bregman Thank you. Excited to be here. Pete Slauson Oh, the titanic metaphor. You like how quickly I got a reference pulled out for that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We might need to rethink our logo now.

Starting point is 00:03:09 Yeah. Well, you know, I mean, icebergs are good. They're pretty. You know, I just put a polar bear, you know, waving on one with a coat and a sand. It should be fun. So give us your dot coms or dot companies. Where do you want people to find you on the Interwebs to get to know you better? So we are, you can find us at holisticwealth.com. And holistic is spelled starting with a W.

Starting point is 00:03:32 Like whole. Whole. Do you pronounce it holistic? Yes, we do. The whole, because it's, you know, we're looking at the whole picture, not just part of it. And also holistic with with Justin H is a bit overdone. Pete Yeah. And you basically believe in balancing your health and your wealth and all that good stuff and both are pretty vital for getting through life last time I checked.

Starting point is 00:03:58 Anna Yeah, it's interesting how people forget that, isn't it? Pete Yeah, yeah. So, give us a 30,000 overview of what you guys do there at the website. So we help entrepreneurs create that holistic wealth. So the wealth beyond money, if you know what I mean, like it focuses around those three pillars. People that find us are normally in a situation where they still work really hard and they're paying the price. So they are surviving rather than thriving and we help them to support to, we support them to turn that around basically. Do you want to jump in here, Anya? Yes, I'm not just the pretty face. I'm not just like the...

Starting point is 00:04:42 Yeah, I usually give, when I have two guests, I give both input. Deanna Slauson We play fair here. Deanna Slauson Yeah, what's great about what we do is, like Dion was saying, we support entrepreneurs to thrive, not survive. Because entrepreneurs are the backbone of society, we really believe in what entrepreneurs do and believe that if we can support them to be at their best, they then can contribute even more. They literally shape culture and the economy

Starting point is 00:05:13 and so much, plus they're fun people to be around. Pete Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Monitors are fun people to be around, damn it. Pete Especially you. Pete We are sometimes. Yeah, thank you, thank you, I'll take that. Well, we try to be funny because hope springs eternal in human nature. So it's how we get through life. Maryus Can I jump in again?

Starting point is 00:05:34 Pete Yes, please. Maryus And how we're different as well is that Dion brings in a gazillion, he's a dinosaur, actually, you said he was young, he's not. Pete Whoa! It's just in, Anya threw him under the bus. Chris Washoe, tune in. Tuesday. Hopefully you're not at the start.

Starting point is 00:05:52 I was so happy and proud. Feeling a bit about myself. We do that on purpose, but we love every hall of our guests that come in the house. The point was going to be that he's got a gazillion years of business experience. Oh, okay. Huge companies, companies of all sorts of sizes. And then I come in with the coaching, the mindset work. And it's a really nice combination where we not only work on strategy that actually works, it's tried and tested, but also help people to

Starting point is 00:06:27 free themselves of their internal blockages, which is often the largest part of the work that needs to be done. Pete Slauson And so, tell us, how did you guys get into this field? How did you guys get together and working on this and, you know, how to develop sort of thing? And how you've been doing it, I know that you're, I think you're based in the Netherlands, but I imagine you work with people throughout the whole world. Give us your guys' story, you know, I'll let each of you throw in what you want. So, take turns.

Starting point is 00:06:55 You're allowed to talk to him. I'll give the range food to talk about how we met. You tell about the story, then I will. We met, we got together, that's it. But that's a bigger story. Pete That's a good story, yeah. Pete That's nice. Pete It's hard to find your person in this world. And so, if you can find a person who can, you know, put up with you, you're in business. That's what I say. Peter Direct to the point.

Starting point is 00:07:17 Pete See, I haven't found anybody to put up with me. That's why I have a podcast. I'm sorry, go ahead, Anu. Anu That's why I have a podcast. I'm sorry, go ahead, Anya. That's totally fine. So we've got two different stories, really, because we're two different people. And I'll share my story. My story is that I was undiagnosed neurodivergent for a really long time trying to figure out my place in the world and understand why things were not working for me. place in the world and understand why things were not working for me. And long story short, I got into coaching and things started changing very, very quickly for me once I did that.

Starting point is 00:07:52 And one of the things I did was enroll on a course and I met this guy there, this Dutch guy who I actually thought was batting for the other team when I first met him. And that ended up being my husband. Pete You look wonderfully young to me and I'm old, so I can say that. Pete So, did you get, I didn't mean to cut you off if you were finishing there. Anna I'm just trying to… Anna I've got ADHD, I can't remember. Pete Give it to me, scroll!

Starting point is 00:08:24 Anna It's one of my favorite problems that I have with myself, O've got ADHD, I can't remember. Give it to me, scroll. It's one of my favorite problems that I have with myself, OCD and ADHD. So you guys kind of handle two different things. How long have you been doing this now for? We've been collaborating for a few years, but we launched the business. That's been going for about a year now. And what do you find most people come to you that are having, what are they having issues with? What's a popular issue that people are like, hey, this looks infected, can I get some help? Amputate. That's Susan. Sounds like my first 10 marriages. First 10 divorces, I think it's supposed to

Starting point is 00:09:03 be divorces. Anyway, it's a callback joke. So tell us about that. What do a lot of people come to you find they're really struggling with nowadays and maybe some stories or some things where you've helped them? What would you say? Generally entrepreneurs who are putting in like that all their time and effort and energy and money and they're not seeing a return. Wait, you're supposed to see a return. And the further they...

Starting point is 00:09:25 Wait, you're supposed to see a return? Oh yeah, didn't I tell you? Nobody told you a business. What's a profit? What's a profit? And then generally the next thing that happens is the relationships start to suffer and their health goes both physical and mental health. I mean, I ticked all the boxes in my past and at some point I was forced to ticked all the boxes in my past. And at some point, I was forced to think, why isn't this working? So that's how we got onto this path. And then

Starting point is 00:09:49 I met this wonderful woman who had a totally different approach to problems and to solving situations and that's interesting. And then we realized we were sort of sharing clients back and forth or if we're doing that anyway, we don't know, we don't just formalize. Yeah. And in terms of the types of problems that people come with us to that grammar did not work at all did it? Doesn't matter, ignore that. I'm the native English speaker here. It does vary because everyone is so individual but you know I can think of a client who just like a magician, in terms of being an

Starting point is 00:10:26 entrepreneur, every idea he had, he could monetize and grow. But he was really frustrated because he felt like everybody wanted stuff from him the whole time and he was getting quite resentful. And it just turned out that he didn't realize that he was a pleaser and that he was just giving everybody everything and did not push back at all and didn't have any boundaries to protect himself. And once he started to notice that and just implement better boundaries, like for example, not taking phone calls after 6pm in the evening so he could actually have dinner with his kids. Things started changing enormously for him. And then there are many more examples where you have entrepreneurs, you know, people who

Starting point is 00:11:18 have been, who started their businesses themselves and got quite far, but were doing work which really an assistant could have been doing or a VA. You had a great example of that, didn't you? Yeah, there's people doing work that they actually paying other people to do. I was working with this one entrepreneur and he was always short on time. He did a simple, we looked at how do you spend your time, this is really draining thing I need to do. I spent two hours approving a hundred invoices per week. Now we checked the hundred invoices and there were like three that actually deserved his

Starting point is 00:11:51 time and attention. The rest was just standard stuff. It's the rent that the office, but feeling the need to control. I need to understand when the money goes and it's time. Entrepreneurs do have a hard time delegating and balancing their life. I'll speak from personal experience. When I started my first multi-million dollar company, I'd started a few trial startups before that.

Starting point is 00:12:14 But the first one that, we were just a bunch of kids, we had $2,000, we had an idea, and that was it. And we had the ability to work 1800 days because we were 20-year-old kids. And so we went to it, but we didn't have a lot of money, but we were driving delivery vehicles that we'd started a delivery service. And we were living in the car. So we were eating at McDonald's and all over the road with fast food at the time. And I'd literally put on probably 100 pounds just in the first six months or maybe 50 pounds. And I went from the skinny kid to being overweight. And I just kind of

Starting point is 00:12:51 told myself for about 10, 15 years that I'll, you know, the thing is to put the money in the bank and then I'll catch up on the gym stuff later. And I literally did. I didn't start going to the gym till about 50. And I really regret it. Now looking back, I mean, it's not something I lose sleep over. It is what it is. But you know, I tell younger people, I'm like, hey, don't be like Chris Voss, but you know, get to the gym, take care of your health. And what happens is you don't balance it well. And I didn't balance it well either. I started drinking vodka and going, okay, here's some sugar fuel for staying up longer and doing more work than I need to get done. And of course, not basically getting other people to do some of the grunt work. I mean, always about in control and you're like, no one can do it better than I can.

Starting point is 00:13:42 And so it was really hard and was really hard. And, you know, it started to reach a point where my work life balance, trying to keep a relationship or, or, you know, date my life, just, it just, everything was my business and it consumed me. And, you know, I was eating like the worst food, putting on weight, feeling like shit. And it was just a horrible way to live. Looking back, I wish I would have taken a little bit more time to take better care of myself. Yeah, I think that's something that gets missed. And a lot of entrepreneurs, I think, are talking about, it's beginning to get a bit more traction that maybe getting, you know, growing really fast is not worth you sacrificing your health and your intimate relationships for. Pete Slauson Mm hmm. Yeah. I mean, you can kill yourself.

Starting point is 00:14:28 You can literally stress yourself to death. Anna-Maria Deon, do you know how many heart attacks Deon has had? I think he may have broken some kind of record or maybe close. Pete Slauson Was it when he met you? Anna-Maria Deon Oh, you're so beautiful. Peter Bregman Even the, I loved her, it was obvious. Uh-huh. I mean, yeah, I remember my one ex-CEO that I worked for, he was the last guy I worked

Starting point is 00:14:52 for before launching that company and he kind of finished off my education that I needed. And I remember he said to me once, he goes, I said to him, I go, why do you show up in shorts and he looked like a vagabond homeless, which I do most of the time too. I copied him. This is in the nineties before, you know, the billionaires like Mark Zuckerberg started dressing down and they didn't wear suits. And I said to him, I go, how come you don't wear a suit when you come to work?

Starting point is 00:15:17 You just come in in shorts and flip flops and you know, this line of food that's down this shirt that you brought, clearly from Sears. And he goes, Chris, if I dress relaxed, I'm relaxed and I can focus on what I need to think about. He goes, there's something about a suit that makes me just feel uptight and formal. And I just feel like I'm in kind of a rigid thing. And I was like, that's kind of interesting. And then I put on my suit and I was

Starting point is 00:15:45 like, yeah, I do kind of feel with the suit, I feel very different than when I'm in shorts and flip flops. And he said, you know, look at my accountant. He goes, he's Chris, he's going to Florida, have his fourth heart bypass surgery. He wears a suit, he's an accountant. I mean, he's, he's killing himself with the stress of his business. And he goes, so I try and dress down so I can enjoy life. And so when I got my companies and the stress became overwhelming, I started wearing shorts and dressing down and flip-flops and I found I could get more hours. But it was a way of, I know it sounds funny, but it was a way of self-care. My employees would be like, how come you get to wear shorts?

Starting point is 00:16:27 And I'm like, it's boss appreciation day. And they go, yeah, but you wear shorts every day. And I go, every day is boss appreciation day. That's how that works. I should have known this 15 years ago. Listen, I will work on the weekends and I dressed up in a suit because it didn't feel like work if I wasn't wearing a suit. Oh, right the opposite. I did not know that about him. Yeah, feel like work if I wasn't wearing a suit. Pete Oh.

Starting point is 00:16:45 Pete I did not know that about him. Pete Yeah, yeah, definitely. Anna He had a different wife then. Pete Yes, and so, I find being relaxed, like I really, I never thought about it until he said it to me and I was like, huh. And then, you know, there's been times throughout my life where I've tried to get better health and eat better and then I finally did, I finally got off the Mountain Dew and the vodka and started eating vegan-ies, let's put it that way. I started eating more salads and more healthy live foods and that really started to balance

Starting point is 00:17:16 out my life. And I started discovering stuff. That's why I quit alcohol. I was listening to my body and getting to know it through eating better and exercising a little bit more. And then I was just like, hey, I can really tell the effects of vodka on me for three days with dehydration and bloating and water gain. And I'm like, this isn't fun.

Starting point is 00:17:37 I drank for a couple hours on Friday and it really changes after 50. Your body goes, we're not doing this with you anymore. No, no, fuck you. This was cool when you're 20 and 30 and 40 maybe, but no, not today, not anymore. And so I had a good one. I think there's a whole host of these like cultural things that we do because everybody else is doing them and we don't stop to question them. But when we do, we realize that there are a whole load of possibilities that open up

Starting point is 00:18:07 to us and make our lives infinitely better. Pete Slauson Mm hmm. The, yeah, and so, it's important. I like how you have the whole in your name, W-H-O-L-E, we should probably make that specific, in the holistic part of your thing. Because, you know, most people when they think of holistic, they just think of maybe evil or maybe some spiritual stuff, right? They don't think of the money, wealth part of entrepreneurship. Anna-Maria Yeah, and if you have, if you're healthy yourself as an entrepreneur, and you work on making your business healthy, you know,

Starting point is 00:18:42 we talk about that as well. You can have a sick business if you don't take care of certain aspects of your business. For example, the way that you manage your people or if you allow toxic behavior inside of your business, for example, it can make your business really sick and also not perform well Wow. Pete Slauson Yeah. Anna-Maria McLean We love that whole idea of taking care of the whole. Am I doing all of the talking now? Pete Slauson No, you're fine. Steve McLaughlin You don't have the funny accent that I do,

Starting point is 00:19:15 so. Pete Slauson There's no limit. It's a podcast. You can talk as much as you want. Steve McLaughlin I like that too, because, you know, like I said, I had this mindset I think a lot of people do. They're like, I'll put off my time with my family, I'll put off time eating right, and I'm just going to go. And I was, I mean, fast food kind of is a fuel, and it's a shitty fuel, and it's going to burn and give you fat, but it kind of had that dopamine hit that you needed.

Starting point is 00:19:46 And then alcohol for me was like just, it was a sugar bomb really when it came down to it. And so what would help me is I get to the end of my night, I'd be working my ass off on my companies and I'd be like, Oh, okay. There's a few more folders I got to do or a few more loans I got to approve or you know, some accounting I got to do or a few more loans are going to prove or you know some accounting I got to do I'm tired and I just found that if I drank some you know, usually vodka or whatever it was But if I drank some hard liquor I would get like this sugar juice fuel and I would also relax and the relaxing was like a component for that

Starting point is 00:20:19 And so I would feel and this is dumb because I'm sharing this for that purpose. I would feel, and this is dumb, because I'm sharing this for that purpose, I would feel, okay, I'm relaxed, and then I've got a little bit of sugar jump. And so I would drink and finish my work at night, and then I even thought it made me sleep better, which it does not, folks do not believe that shit. But that was my juice for a long time, and I let my health go, I, you know, personal relationships struggled, those that I could

Starting point is 00:20:48 find. I mean, it was all about my companies and my business. And in the short term, I guess what I'm trying to say is in the short term, there are ways that you think that you're cutting the corners and you're beating the system of eating poorly and drinking poorly and not taking care of your health while you're trying the system of eating poorly and drinking poorly and not taking care of your health while you're trying to focus on filling that bank account. And if you don't have energy, if you don't have health, it's really hard to do your business. I mean, it really is.

Starting point is 00:21:16 On one point, your buddy will tell you, if you're not listening, then they'll take a decision for you. Yeah, we'll let you know. Here's the ER for you there, buddy. Yeah. Have followed that part of that. It felt like the carrot on the steak. Oh, I mean, just another quarter and then we'll be okay and then I can go.

Starting point is 00:21:33 Yeah. Or not this, that client. Yeah. Well, this product that we need to bring to market and it's always an excuse. Yeah. And then when you look back, you've left like a trail of destruction. Not only that, but actually for men specifically, it lowers your testosterone to eat that crap.

Starting point is 00:21:50 Pete Slauson Oh, does it? Yeah, it's got a lot of estrogenics. Sarah Baxter Yeah, and you start losing your power. Pete Slauson Hmm. Sarah Baxter And for women as well, I mean, it just completely messes up female cycles. A lot of the health issues that women have are diet related, you know, and stress related. So, if, you know, if we can take care of our bodies by what we eat, but also what we drink, and also how we allow ourselves to relax, you know, and actually take time off and allow those creative juices to flow. And that also opens up the more potential for any person. If you're uptight and stressed the whole time, you're not performing at your best.

Starting point is 00:22:38 Pete Slauson That's very true. That's very true. The one thing that I can confirm on that is, as you age, I think that was the other thing, you don't take into account the age process. So I always thought I could juice forever. I could be like, okay, you know, shot of vodka, here we go. We'll do this run. People drink until they're old age, yada, yada, yada. But for me, I have a high tolerance for everything, including aspirin and you name it. I think penicillin is the only thing that's like a miracle drug for me, you know, I have a high tolerance for everything, including aspirin and you

Starting point is 00:23:05 name it. I think penicillin is the only thing that's like a miracle drug for me. You gave me dead and you gave me penicillin, I'll come back to life. It's really weird. But everything else take, you know, 5,000 pounds and hit to the liver and kidney. So I thought it would be useful, but you know, what I didn't plan on was as I aged, my body, you know, not being taken care of, neglected, abused, really. It would just be like, yeah, we're not doing this with you anymore.

Starting point is 00:23:33 We're going to make your life miserable. We're going to make you feel like shit. We're going to make it hard to get up in the morning. We're going to make it hard to go to sleep at night. We're going to just make you feel miserable. And oh, you want to eat McDonald's and all that crap Yeah, we're gonna be rock gut that you know Just you know it just sits there and you're good

Starting point is 00:23:52 Like an acid brick and you know, I mean I at one point I was going through I think a bottle of roll aids like I was going through two three six roll aids a night What's the roll aid? Well, it's aade's a night. What's a Rolade? Rolade's a stomach antacid here in America. Oh, okay. There's Tums, I don't know if you guys have Tums over there, but it's an antacid that you take when you've got acid reflux and stuff. My acid reflux was like, it was bad.

Starting point is 00:24:17 I would sleep at night and it would come up my pipe. Oh, that sounds awful. Oh, there's vodka and what live that life and, and yeah, I, like I say, I regret not taking better care of myself. The other thing you mentioned was taking vacations. Like one of my problems was I wouldn't vacate. I wouldn't take vacations. I wouldn't take breaks.

Starting point is 00:24:42 And I'd be like, what's a vacation? You know, like even now, like whenever there's a holiday, I'm like, what? You guys, you guys get a day off or something, you know, or worse I'll be like, Hey, how come the money isn't going through the bank? What? There's not, no one's taking money out of the account today. What is, is there something going on? And then it's like, Oh yeah, it's a bank holiday. So that's usually how I find out about holidays too. Why isn't this bank and why is there no mail? And like it's holiday Chris. I'm like, I didn't get the message. And they're like, well, we all got days off. And I'm like, I'm an entrepreneur. There's no such thing. But no, I learned to do like weekend

Starting point is 00:25:21 jaunts where I would go up to Airbnb's. I'd go for drives to Vegas back and forth. I would learn to do weekend jaunts where I would go up to AirBnBs, I'd go for drives to Vegas back and forth. I would try and spend some quiet time with myself and just enjoy stuff. I'd fly out to Catalina or different places, sit on the beach and just try and decompress. At one point I was having to go get a two-hour massage every weekend and if I didn't, my employees the next week would be like, you didn't get your massage this weekend, did you? And I'm like, yeah, how'd you know? And they're like, because you're a bear. You are an onry bear when you don't get your thing and we don't like it.

Starting point is 00:25:56 So I was like, wow, I'm going to get voted out of my own company because I don't get a massage. And I'm sure I was. I'm sure I was. So anyway, final thoughts on that and give people a pitch out on how they can reach out to you, get to know you guys better, see if you're fit, how they can onboard, maybe some of the types of people you're targeting as executives or something like that. Yeah. So targeting entrepreneurs of scaling businesses, generally between 10 and 150 people, so the

Starting point is 00:26:26 sweet spot I think is around 50 that we do. People that feel that they're stuck in growing and it's taking a toll on their lives. Contacting our holistic wealth.companies, I guess we need to put the name in the show notes because people forget about the W at the beginning. Definitely have it, you'll find it there. Definitely. Yeah, and everybody's welcome to contact us for a chemistry call just for us to understand what they're doing and where they're getting stuck and if we're the right people to support.

Starting point is 00:26:58 One of the things that we didn't mention actually is that we collaborate with other experts with different qualifications and different experiences just to have, again, a much more holistic perspective and be able to support in ways we don't have. We don't have all the knowledge in the world, so we bring in the right people to support our clients. And we work one-on-one, we work with with groups and we are launching a program called Escape the Hustle. Pete Slauson Escape the Hustle? I like that.

Starting point is 00:27:31 Why is it important to escape the hustle? We'll squeeze that in as we go out. Shalini Bhatt Because there is more to life than hustle. We should all be enjoying life. Pete Slauson That's true. You know, one of the, I guess I'll drag the show a little bit farther here. You know, one of the things I always had was I would get really triggered by people who say this to me. They go, Chris, you need to calm down. It's not about the destination,

Starting point is 00:27:55 it's about the journey. I'm like, no, it's about the destination. You know, I grew up poor. So for me, it was trying to heal that wound and maybe a psychiatrist or therapist would have been better. But I was trying to overcompensate. And so it took me a long time to learn that lesson that it's about the journey and not the destination. And yeah, it was, but finally I did. It's about the and and the importance of looking around as you go It goes by fast it goes by so fast and just being able to care about the people who love you You know the people who support you, you know I wasted so much time with just people that were like as long as Chris is buying we're good

Starting point is 00:28:38 Yeah, and then you cut them off finally and they're like you're an asshole. I always thought you were an asshole and you're like That's great. like, you're an asshole. I always thought you were an asshole. And you're like, that's great. Oh, you know, I learned to focus on the, on the good people there in your life that support you and are part of your life and being, you know, I mean, intimate with them, not just in maybe a partner way, but also intimate with your friends, family and talking to them and making sure that, you know, you're giving them your time and focus and, and getting the best and making sure that you're giving them your time and focus and getting the best of yours because that disappears quickly too.

Starting point is 00:29:11 Either anybody can go at any given moment and suddenly you're like, I wish I had said more. So that's my final thoughts. Thanks for coming on the show, guys. We really appreciate it. Thank you. It's been a pleasure. Thank you.

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The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Wholistic Wealth: Redefining Success Beyond Money with Ania and Dion-Rene Hulsman

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