The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Winning the War on Ticks: Learn Proven Combat Methods for Preventing Tick Bites by Brian H. Anderson

Episode Date: November 23, 2023

Winning the War on Ticks: Learn Proven Combat Methods for Preventing Tick Bites by Brian H. Anderson https://amzn.to/46nkQi9 Lymetickbughub.com One Man’s fight to end the ticks’ reign of terror. With Lyme disease and other vector-borne illnesses on the rise, the demand for tick awareness is needed now more than ever. Armed with his years of knowledge as a top speaker and educator, Brian shares his battle experiences and prevention techniques with you. In Winning the War on Ticks you’ll learn: About the enemy- Ticks Awareness of Lyme disease and other tick-born illnesses Proven combat methods for preventing tick bites Effective personal repellants What to do if bitten And more! This book is as an informative everyman’s guide on ticks and tick-borne illnesses. It’s not a scientific research paper, but something that is written simply and humorously to promote awareness on the topic. Who is Brian “The Tick Terminator” Anderson? Top speaker and educator on tick prevention in the USA Specialist on unique repellants and prevention methods Dedicated to providing tick awareness and support for outdoor workers, hunters, campers, and outdoor enthusiasts It’s time to go to war on ticks! A must read for all outdoor enthusiasts, workers, or anyone who goes into the woods, especially those living or visiting the eastern US. BUY NOW and start winning your war on ticks! About the author Brian lives in Upper Michigan with the love of his life of 44 years. He and his wife have two grown children and four grandchildren (three on Earth, one in Heaven). They often spend time with family and friends participating in various outdoor activities. The highlight of their week is spent each Sunday morning at church praising their incredible Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

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We have an amazing gentleman on the show, and it's going to be, we're going to have some fun here with this show. It's going to be quite interesting. We have Brian Anderson coming on the show today. He is dubbed the tick terminator. We're going to go this, you know, this is what happens when AI gets out of control. People, the tick terminator gets created. He is the author of a new book that just came out June 23rd, 2023.

It's called winning the war on ticks. Learn proven combat methods for preventing tick bites. And we might be ending tick season. I'm not sure. I don't have them in our state, but I know they're everywhere else. So that's why I live here. Brian H. Anderson is going to be joining us today. He's the tick termineer and has a lifelong fascination with the little bloodsuckers we call the tick. His interest peaked about 10 years ago due to his wife continuing fear of them

and with several friends suffering from Lyme disease. This began the intense search for preventative ways to keep the ticks off of us. He spent hours and countless hours investigating, studying, experimenting, and loves to share his findings with audiences across the country he's now on god's given mission and a one-of-a-kind tick and lyme disease prevention specialist he's a consultant a conference speaker author and provider of a unique and cost-effective repellence his enthusiasm and humor has landed him on several outdoor tv shows radio shows and podcasts over the last few years and he's created a very unique and informal website with tips to help protect outdoor workers hunters hikers

backpackers campers and anyone else who goes outside his website welcome to the show brian how are you thanks for having me i'm doing great i always love talking tics man it's a lot of fun there you go do you want me to call you Mr. Terminator or Brian throughout the show? I had somebody do a video once on the Terminator, and they kind of gave the Arnold Schwarzenegger accent to it, which was really pretty funny. There you go. So welcome to the show.

Give us your.com so people can find you on the interwebs. TheTickTerminator.com. TheTickTerminator.com. TheTickTerminator.com. Pretty simple. You almost need to have to say that in either an accent or some sort of powerful movie voice. The Tick Terminator. In a world gone mad.

This is a wild journey to be on. You're the first person who's wrote a book on ticks who's on the Chris Foss Show after 15 years. We must finally be becoming something of a show. Give us a 30,000 overview. What's in your book? Well, it's pretty much everything about how I got started. You know, my, my crazy fascination with it. Also, you know, best methods to keep ticks off research people have done to try to limit the amount of ticks out there. And then towards the end, you know, what do you do if you get bit which is

extremely important you know how to handle them the best repellents that you can use out there all kinds of different repellents that people can use just you know stuff like that i mean the book like this here when i wrote it i was i was gonna call it tick suck that was gonna be the title but then the two most important women in my life, namely my wife and my mom, who helped edit it, said, no, you should change the name. So that's why I call it winning the war on text. You got to keep the women happy. You know what I mean? There you go.

I always, the women in my life, I always take their advice. So my wife and my two mistresses, I listen to whatever they tell me. That's a joke, people. I'm kidding. I don't have a wife, but I do have two mistresses. Anyway, what do you do at your website? Tell us what goes on there, some of the products and stuff that you have on there as well. Well, it's pretty informative.

It gives them a lot of ideas about what people can do. You know, in the beginning, it talks right about, you know, some of the products that I deal with. I only deal with a few products on there, maybe half a dozen, really. Not a whole lot. And different stories about different things. Let's say, you know, how to handle ticks. You know, there's some tick videos. I mean, Lyme disease videos. If somebody gets Lyme, it gives them ideas about places where they can go to get help. But pretty general like that. I mean, I even tell people, here's one tip that most people never hear about until they hear from me. But let's say you're out in the woods, okay, and you come back to the house and you found a tick on yourself, crawling on your clothes.

Well, where there's one, there may be two. So people say, well, what do I do with my clothes when I get home. I have a tip on my website saying that when you get home, you should take your clothes and put them in the dryer on high for about 15 minutes. That dry heat will kill all the ticks and then put them in the washer. Don't put them in the washer first. They can survive that, but put them in the dryer first. You get those roasted ticks going in the dryer. I love those. They're always so tasty a little bit of ranch a little bit of ranch dressing roasted ticks that's my favorite so why are ticks bad why do people not like ticks i mean they seem like such uh cute little fellers well like i say

because they suck and it could be us even too, you know, because the ticks are basically opportunists, you know. Like I said, I wrote the book for, I work a lot with companies that have outdoor workers, you know, hunters, fishermen, you know, the fish streams, backpackers, hikers, camping, even somebody in their backyard gardening, I mean, can actually get ticks on you. I wrote it, you know it with them in mind.

It is a big thing that I did. And what got you into this? I mean, like what was the turning point for you where like, I'm going to be a tick expert? Well, actually, when I was a kid, I had a strange fascination with them. I live in Upper Michigan in the very rural area up here. I moved here in 79 after I got married to my grandparents' place with my wife. So we've been married almost 45 years now. So you had a fascination with them as a kid? Yeah. Who hurt you, man?

I would visit my grandparents, and it was kind of cool to see them actually sitting on a blade of grass. You see them in their environment before they see you, before they hit you. You're a little kid, four or five years old i put ticks on the same level as like mosquitoes you know just things that suck blood but they couldn't fly you know because they don't fly yeah that's probably good we don't need any more flying blood sucking-sucking things flying around. Yeah. I mean, a number, about 10-plus years ago, I kind of, you know, had a resurgence of interest in them. And because my wife hates them, I was trying to figure out a way that I could, you know, get rid of them. Or could I make some kind of chocolate, you know, that they would like better than our blood? And guess what?

There ain't nothing they like better than our blood. I mean, that's it. Our blood's good. I mean, that's it. Our blood's good. I mean, if it's from your enemies, it's tasty. Yeah. I would bring ticks in the house, bring them in the basement, and play with them with my grandkids, and try to experiment with them to learn about them.

And, you know, I would bring stuff up from underneath the sink, you know, like cleaning products and baking soda and sugar and salt and pepper and whatever I could to try to see if I could get them to move around. And, you know, smells, what I could do with them. And it was a lot of work. I eventually, you know, found out more stuff, you know, online. But I was playing with them, you know, trying to decide stuff, you know, determine what makes them tick. What makes ticks tick. That's a great line for you and what you do with your brand, you know determine what makes them tick so it makes ticks tick that's that's what that's a

great line for you and what you do with your brand you know i'm the guy who figures out how to make ticks tick and then how to not have them tick anymore that's for sure there you go stop those clocks so why you know tell us a little bit about lyme disease for people who aren't familiar with it i didn't used to be familiar with it until a few of my friends got it. Why is Lyme disease pretty bad if you get it from ticks? Why does it mostly come from ticks, Lyme disease? Can you get anyplace else? Lyme disease is by far the vast majority of place where you're going to get, where you're going to get the, I should say, you're going to get it from ticks.

I don't know if it even comes from hardly anything else, barely anything else. I got some from Key Lime Pie in Key West one time, but that's Key Lime. See what I did there? Yeah, but anyways, Lyme disease is really bad. I mean, they call it the great imitator. It can imitate fibromyalgia, MS, just diseases where people are extremely fatigued, and ticks are tough. I mean, people get bit sometimes by ticks and they don't even know it, which is really bad.

Because they can be really tiny, teeny, small or a large adult tick and they can still give you Lyme disease. And it's all about prevention. And it's all about getting it taken care of in the beginning. Here's my tick that i use for for demonstration purposes yeah you may have been feeding that for too long for those not watching on youtube i know it's really big it's about six inches long here total but yeah they don't get this big but anyways if they get stuck on you one of the most important things is how you take a tick off you want to take a tick off very gently okay if you get one you don't want to grab it by the body because if you grab it by the body like this,

think about somebody grabbing you by the stomach. You know what I mean? They may puke the bad stuff in you at the time you finally take it out. You don't want that. Be very gentle. You want to take it at the very base and pull it up and watch the bite then. I don't care after that. It's really good to take a picture of it, maybe put it in a plastic bag. I don't care if you shoot it with a 30-06, but

make sure you see it first. The tick or the bite? Oh, the tick, yeah. And if a little bit of a head gets stuck in your skin, just wash it off with some rubbing alcohol or soap and water, and it'll'll take care of itself but watch the bite especially maybe your buddies who got uh bit there probably didn't know they got bit or they didn't go and see a doctor right away but seeing a doctor right away is huge it's so important to do that in most cases they can put you on let's say i'm not a doctor and i don't play one on tv but they'll probably put you on like doxycycline for a couple of weeks and almost hours that kicks it out of your system. So early detection and early treatment is the biggest thing that I preach at people, you know, to be careful of that.

Make sure you get it taken care of in the beginning. Don't just tough it out because it only gets worse. So let me ask you this. There's, is, I had heard something that certain, something that certain, the coloration after the bite can indicate if it's Lyme disease, if it had Lyme disease. Is that correct? A bullet sort of looks like. A bullseye rash, a big circle around that. They don't all do that, but if you get that in about half the cases, maybe they get a bullseye rash.

And if you get that, man, you for sure need to see a doctor i mean i've got bitten by ticks and you know not everyone every bite is going to give you a disease but when you have some kind of bad reaction you'll like a bull's eye rash like achy joints flu-like symptoms i mean feeling really crappy you know maybe your vision goes blurry or or you get bell's palsy where half your face is kind of sagging you know something bad after you got bit by a tick in the next couple days see a doctor about it and if that doctor doesn't do anything about it see another doctor it man it ain't worth you know you know not getting a take care of in the beginning that's for sure but there

you go what about like your animals too like my puppy when he was she was young got a tick bite i we pulled the tick out i think we used oil or something isn't isn't there a thing where you can use oil or there's some sort of thing you can do to put on it the liquid or something like a motor oil yeah yeah i don't remember how we pulled it out but we pulled it out and she did get the bullseye a couple days later and you know i i guess you need to look for now is the bullseye look where it has multiple sort of rings there's like a there's a center ring and then there's an outside ring right sometimes it can yeah i made my little niece who was oh gosh maybe like four or five she got a whole bunch of circle

all around her whole body her mom told me and she took her and of course got her taken care of wow so you gotta watch out for it in your animals too and i just happened to find it luckily on her belly because she was a puppy and you know she still had her pink exposed belly that's about the only reason I found it. And then after that, I'm like, how do I keep this from happening again? And it's crazy. People should watch for that sort of bullseye thing. And then they should go to the doctor and get, is it like a penicillin that's being given to them? It's doxycycline. I'm not a doctor, like I said, but doxycycline is used for a lot of different things. And it's a really good one Do you know what I mean? more so that's called alpha gale syndrome where they get that and they become allergic to red meat

you know basically for the rest of their life wow that's that's that's no good either yeah i wouldn't want to have that that's uh awful and so you help people do prevention so what what are some of the tips that you recommend for people to prevent getting ticks tick bites in the first place well one thing is if they're out just walking in the woods if there's trails there stay on the trails is a real good thing because you know they're not going to be on the dirt to be able to get up on you in the ticks they're not they're never going to be out in the middle of a pavement parking lot you know they're going to be on low-lying vegetation you know like blades like blades of grass and brush and stuff like that.

Remember, they don't drop out of trees. They don't fly. They don't jump. They sit in a blade of grass or vegetation and then just wait for something to come by. Then they latch onto it. That's what they do. What I recommend is permethrin. Permethrin is the best, without question, the best prevention method to keep ticks off.

The way permethrin works is you spray it on your clothes and i have that on my website we do a lot with that it's wonderful stuff but you spray it on your clothes when let's say on a clothesline or something like that let it dry overnight or at least four hours and then it dries clear it's odorless you can't even see it i mean it's so cool i call it vitamin P for your clothes. You know what I mean? Vitamin P for your clothes. There you go. What happens when ticks crawl up on it,

they can sense those little permethrin molecules and it drives them nuts. Eventually, they will fall off and die or die and fall off because they can't take it. It's a wonderful product. The nice thing about permethrin is it lasts through the laundry. You can wash your clothes several times before you need to reapply.

So it's some great stuff. Well, there you go. That sounds pretty interesting. So I'm glad there's something to do. I mean, I've had friends, they live in North Carolina and the Woodsy's areas up there. Sure. And I imagine they're mostly prevalent in those greener areas of the states, aren't they?

Where are they most prevalent at? Well, you're exactly right. The more vegetation that you have, the more they're going to be. Like in a desert area, you know, the west where you live, you know, like Vegas, obviously a place like that, they're not going to be as much, that's for sure. Because they can't take a whole lot of heat. Let's say if you put them in a dryer, that's going to kill them too. Yeah.

We have an outdoor dryer in Las Vegas. Yeah, I'm sure. 110 degrees. So they definitely need the moisture to survive is a big thing with them. They need moisture to survive. That's why they're going to be in the vegetation areas. I mean, if I own and my friends say when they,

they come back in from like North Carolina, they'll be like, yeah, I have to pick the ticks off me and wash the clothes. And I'm like, wow. And then I have to pick the ticks off my dogs. And you know, I have Huskies.

So I'm like, Holy crap. That's a lot of, that's a lot of tick picks. It's perching. Yeah. I mean, I just wear one of them hazmat suits when I go out for a walk. If I lived in North Carolina, I think. Then I have my dog have one, too.

But the dogs can actually get some chewables and some certain things like that where the ticks bite them, they actually die. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, yeah. And there's the tick the tick callers too huh yeah so that that helps them and one way to tell if your tick if your if your dog has like lyme disease is let's say after a couple weeks of maybe getting bit that they're they they start to lose their motor skills like their rear end starts to sway around you can tell they're kind of walking like they're drunk um my daughter had she has a little i think it's a little shih tzu the tiny little looks like a mop you know what i mean on the floor and the last about a year ago she no it was december it was well into we already had snow on the ground and her dog started acting

really really bad i mean she basically went to the vet because she thought the dog was going to be put down, really. And it turns out that it had been bitten several weeks earlier when the snow had not come yet, and now it was manifesting itself as a full-blown Lyme case, and they treated it, and now it's fine. There you go. Well, that's good news. That's good news. So repellents are the best way to do it, and now it's fine. There you go. Well, that's good news. That's good news. So repellents are the best way to do it other than wearing a hazmat suit when you go out, which is what I do because I'm paranoid that way.

That's what I say. And so I guess you've tested the best repellents that are out there and figured out what works best. Oh, yeah. There's nothing better than permethrin. There's no question about it. I mean, our military has been using it for decades and decades. It's been around for a long time. I just use nuclear radiation, but they might be able to survive that.

I don't know. Who knows? Chernobyl. Do ticks die in the wintertime? Is it safe to go out in the winter where i won't have to wear my hazmat suit or i'm glad you brought that up because ticks here ticks do not die in the winter time okay because see in our area they go down under the leaf litter okay when temperatures get below 32 actually we still had some last week around 30 and last week we had 50 so we had in there too but anyways they

dive down under the leaf litter you you know, as winter starts approaching. Then snow comes over. Snow is a wonderful insulator. So they just basically chill out underneath the snow there for the winter. And then the springtime comes again. They, you know, awaken again. And they're ready to go in the spring. But I should tell you the life cycle of a tick.

Want to hear the life cycle? Yeah, please. A female tick gives birth anywhere between 1,000 to 5,000 eggs at a time, which is just disgusting. Crap. Man. In June. In June, typically. It's like little dots of brown on the ground.

Holy crap. So after a couple weeks, they hatch out of the eggs. Then they look for their first host, which is typically a white-footed mouse because they're on the very ground. They can't get on anything else. Yeah. The white-footed mouse is running around, and they jump on that, start sucking the blood out of it.

After a couple days, they drop off. But anyways, when they're sucking the blood out of that white-footed mouse, the germs or the pathogens from that mouse that go into the tick is what actually give it diseases because they're born disease free oh really so it's the mice they're the yeah the mice give them the the disease okay god now does it give them the mice give them lyme disease it'll give them whatever the the disease that they happen to have sometimes it's lyme sometimes it's one of the other ones that i mentioned wow but it's typically a white it's one of the other ones that I mentioned. Wow. But it's typically a white-footed mouse. In the South, they call it a little animal called a

skink, which is kind of like a lizard or a snake with legs, kind of. And they'll get on those because they're close to the ground again. I think I've seen some of those on Tinder. I don't know what that means. So this little tick then, after about three or four days of having a good meal, they jump off and they do whatever ticks do, which ain't a whole lot. They just kind of sit back and chill. They thought they just got off the full belly belly, you know. And they molt into the next series that fall, that winter, come out the next spring. They grow two more legs.

Two more legs? So they have eight legs. That's why they're actually a part of the arachnid family. They're part of the spider family because of that. That's scary. So they come out the next spring as a nymph-sized tick the size of a poppy seed. Okay? The size of a poppy seed, that could be on your shoelace, and you wouldn't even notice it.

Oh, yeah. And if they got Lyme or any other disease that last summer, the one the size of a poppy is just as lethal as a full-grown adult. So size does not even matter in the tick world. I mean, small. So anyways, they look for a host. Could be us or some other little animal. Feed on that. They only eat one time a year.

All right? I need to be able to do that. Maybe I should be a lime or a tick. The money we could save and wait once a year, right? Oh, my gosh. No kidding, right? Yeah, that'd be great. So anyways, they look for some kind of host.

It could be us, some little animal. And they feed for a couple days. Then they drop off, and they just kind of chill out again. They molt in the next series that fall, that winter, come out the next spring as an adult. And then they look for something a little bigger. It could be us or it could be a deer or any little animal. And they start sucking the blood out of that. Let's say they're on a deer, the male and the female, after they're done eating, then they mate. And then they ride the deer over the winter. The next spring they get off, the male gets off, dies. Female gets off, gives birth to a thousand to 5 thousand ticks or whatever and that's enough to kill anybody and she dies so it's about three year life cycle if they eat once a year

every year wow and i don't step on them because they're ugly wow that's you just all that blood sucking you just described my first three marriages anyway that's a joke people that's wild man they grow legs in the second year? Because they're born with six and they got to grow two more so they have eight of them the next spring. Yeah. Wow. Keep in mind, that's why I like prevention so much and using permethrin because let's say somebody's out in the springtime, they're out there just, you know, finally the snow finally melted in the eastern half of the United States and they're out looking for mushrooms or just enjoying the outdoors. And little tics are looking for them or something to eat.

And they could be on their shoelaces, crawl up their pants, and a lot could happen there. That is crazy, man. And when you come back into your house, if you don't take your clothes off, throw them in the dryer first, then the washer, then they're all in your house, right? They won't last too long in the house because it's not moist enough for them. Okay. Several days, the typical ticks, there's several different versions. There's about 800 species of ticks in the world.

800? Yeah, I know. I'm living in a bubble from here on they're they're all over the place we don't have anywhere near that many in the states here but yeah they're all over in different parts of the world africa had a guy go to africa this past summer and he had them all over his pants luckily he sprayed them with permethrin and he never had any bites from them wow but yeah it's i've had people on the appalachian trail here this past summer to go or go to north carolina michigan all those places up there i'm just gonna cover myself i'm

just gonna bathe in at first and then like wow hey what's that where's that new cologne there chris it smells like shit it's pernicious odor. Oh, permethrin is odorless. That's a nice thing to know. Oh, is it? Oh, that works. It smells good, yeah. That works out good. I mean, deet. Now, deet can smell a little bit.

People don't realize that deet is a wonderful repellent. Okay? Deet is for the skin. Permethrin is for the clothing. Okay. Remember, the way permethrin works is it's called a contact repellent. That means the ticks don't notice until they come in contact with it. All right. As they're crawling up the pants, every little step drives their nervous system nuts.

Okay. I had a little black fly land on my thigh a couple of years ago. And it was, for me, it was just fascinating to watch it because it starts high stepping around. They call it the hot feet syndrome because it could sense the little permethrin molecules in my pants and eventually it flew off i say cha-ching i won because it didn't bite me and it flew off you know what i mean but yeah there you go now a lot of people that i've known they never knew they got bitten by a tick yeah there's no like there was like no thing and and then they suddenly started getting sick i've noticed it happening to a lot of women friends and, you know, MS is pretty prevalent in women, so they would get misdiagnosed with MS

and they would go through all these diagnoses and they'd get sicker and it would seem like the last thing they'd ever check for or sometimes they just had to find the right doctor who was savvy enough to go, you know, I think I know what it is. How do you, if you think you, if you want to get tested for Lyme disease or think that maybe that may be an issue you're

having based upon your symptoms, what's the best way to do it and how to get tested, et cetera, et cetera? Well, that's even a tough, tough, tough thing too, because so much in the beginning, when somebody, let's say I got bit today, and next week or a couple days from now, I go in for a test. Well, what happens is that Lyme disease has not been in my system long enough for it to really come up positive on a test. You know, after four or five months, then it's going to come up even more positive then, but then it's too late to take care of it in the beginning, like you should have, you know, after the first couple of weeks.

That's the thing. Lyme disease is notorious for giving testing for false negatives and false positives. You know, it's just really, really difficult to test for. So often when somebody goes in and they think they got bit by a tick, the doctor, if they're sharp and if they're in a tick area, it helps too because it's more common. They will give somebody doxycycline just based on their symptoms. Really? Without even a test. Yeah.

That's very, very common because doxycycline is a mild. I'm not a doctor here, but it's more of a mild type of, you know, very generally used antibiotic. But it's really good for Lyme disease. Wow, man. That is crazy. Well, we've learned a lot here. Anything we haven't covered on what the tick terminator does? Well, when we're ready, I'll end with a poem that I wrote about ticks, too. Okay.

If we're there, go and throw it at us. Okay. I wrote this poem. I like to write poems. It goes like this. I hate them little suck suckers i want to terminate them all so i do with permethrin and love to watch them fall from head to toe i spray this stuff my shoe socks clothes and hats because it works on more than ticks like skeeters chiggers and even gnats so i ask you for listening to keep away from lime get started with permethrin and now is the So I ask you for listening to keep away from Lyme, get started with permethrin, and now is the perfect time. Thank you.

I just need to put that into some rap stuff. So people can order your book. They can learn about all this stuff. They can go to your website. I noticed on your website, you've got tick and Lyme info. So you've got explaining what Lyme disease is, Lyme videos, books, treatments, physicians, you talk about how to repel on your clothes and skin, apparel, home and yard, pets. I just wear, I just wear a hazmat suit the whole time. You know, there's one of those things that are completely sealed off from everything. That's pretty much what I wear. And then. I can order Permithrin right there too. There you go. There you go. And then they can can order Permithrin right there too. There you go.

There you go. And then they can find out more. Can people consult with you and have you come speak and things like that? How do people respond to that? I love speaking. I do that as much as I can. I usually give a...

I've spoken anywhere between 45 minutes to a couple hours, depending on what they need, but usually about 45 minutes to an hour and then have some Q&A, which is a lot of fun. And, yeah, people really learn a lot. A lot of times people come up and say, man, thank you. I learned something here today because not too many people are like me. Not that I'm a genius, but you've got to be a little strange, a little weird,

and have an unusual fascination with little ticks, you know, like I do. There you go. A lot of fun. There you go. So give people a final pitch out. Order up your book and hand out to everybody they know. Here it is, tick season. And, you know, all that good stuff will be approaching again soon.

Yeah, I mean, go to my website, thetickterminator.com, and you can get the permethrin right there. It's the most cost-effective because you mix it yourself. You can make it last for three weeks or six months, depending on how you mix it. It's the best on the market. And learn a lot about the ticks out there, too. And you can contact me there for speaking engagements, too, which I'd love to do, and all kinds of things like that. It's a lot of fun. There you go.

And there's a white Sierra bug-free apparel on here too. There's certain apparel that, how does that work? It's got an insect shield technology? I just have numerous different things on the website just to let people know what's actually out there. Yeah. You can get some clothes that already have permethrin treated right in it. You can buy them like that. And I personally like to spray it on myself. Then I know for sure that it's there and how long it's going to last buy them like that and i personally like to spray it on myself then i

know for sure that that's there and how long it's going to last stuff like that but yeah there's a lot of things out there there you go there you go yeah it's is is there any sort of or do ticks avoid people that are bad in fashion like me maybe is there certain things i can wear like socks and with my flip-flops that will make them turn them off and they'll be like i don't want to really go near that guy well if you got flip-flops on you probably got bare skin on your you know you're probably wearing shorts true yeah that's probably really bad so then you probably want to put some deep on that on your skin and that helps that helps keep them off not as good as permethrin but permethrin is not for skin. It's only for clothing and gear.

There you go. I'm going to get me a, I'm going to get me a shirt that says, Hey Tix, I killed your mom or something like that. I don't know. Maybe that will help and all that good stuff. So there you go.

So people can go to your website. They can get all the good stuff to, that we'll take and help them do their thing and everything else. And all that good stuff. The give us your dot coms if we go out the tick terminator.com the tick terminator.com there you go so thank you very much brian for coming on the show we really appreciate it man been a lot of fun as i figured it was going to be i was looking forward to it the tick terminator let's get you let's get you

laid the tick terminator you walk around and be like, hey, babe, I'm the Tick Terminator. I don't know. I'm just kidding. So there you go. Thank you very much, Brian, for coming on the show. I use it as pick-up lines of bars. We certainly appreciate it. So, all right, let's go to goodreads.com, Fortress Chris Voss,

youtube.com, Fortress Chris Voss, all those crazy places around the Internet. Thanks for tuning in. Be good to each other. Stay safe, and I'll see you next time.