The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – WISDOM SEED: CHALLENGING PERCEPTIONS OF TIME AND REALITY (SPECIAL EDITION) by TRISHA PORTBURY

Episode Date: July 25, 2026

WISDOM SEED: CHALLENGING PERCEPTIONS OF TIME AND REALITY (SPECIAL EDITION) by TRISHA PORTBURY https://www.amazon.com/WISDOM-SEED-CHALLENGING-PERCEPTIONS-REALITY-ebook/dp/B0GH15582Q This regular family reveals a whirlwind of crazy, real, and fictitious scenarios that unfold at a cracking pace. Follow Harry H (Dad), Harmony (16-ish), and Henty (18.1 in every way) as they explore values and personality traits through braiding conversations and experiences that will astound, especially as the Imaginistas and Creaturtorials get involved. Harmony: A “work in progress,” free spirit. HARRY: Machine operator and dreamer. HENTY: Science student, loves sport and predictability. Each learns to recognize and embrace the seeds of wisdom in unexpected moments. Wisdom is simpler than the word implies… This visual adventure launches characters and situations that capture and create imagery, generating a parallel visual journey for our unsuspecting family. What is more powerful, words or imagery? What is wisdom and insight for us regular humans?

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reflect the opinions of the host or the Chris Faw show. Some guests of the show may be advertising on the podcast, but it's not an endorsement or review of any kind. We have an amazing young lady on the show with us today. We're going to be talking about her book called Wisdom Seed, challenging perceptions of time and reality special edition by Tricia Portbury. We're going to get into it with her and find all the stuff she's been up to you down there in the big down under Australia. She hit the planet in Melbourne sometime now ago and has lived there ever since.

Did she just dodge her giving us her age? She has three sons and is a Grammy to six grandchildren. So she's at least 20. She is a practicing artist and writer and has been a senior arts, crafts, and design educator after acquiring a B education in arts and crafts and a secondary one at Melbourne. And she has several successful

exhibitions. She is an ascension Riki master teacher and now past Rotarian and overall lover of life. She spent 30 years working with a secondary school student. She's observed the many strategies students used to camouflage their self-perceived learning anomalies. Young Tricia thought she had dead spots in her brain. Gradually, she worked out how to get around them. Welcome the show, Tricia. How are you? I'm really good, thanks, Chris. How are you? I am excellent. It's just wonderful to have you and we always love our friends from Australia. You guys and Canadians are the nicest people in the world in our experience. Give us your dot-coms. Where can people find you on the interwebs?

I'm T-R-I-S-H-A, Portbury, at, oh, just dot com. And I've got a really nice website, and you're more than welcome to come on board and check out the new book. and there's even a place where you can ask me questions and I would love to respond. You're from Australia, so which would you get rid of if you had to choose between only two things? Crocodile and D or the band Men at Work? Well, I almost get rid of men at work. I'm just teasing. They're both great.

So give us a 30,000 overview. What's inside your new book, please. Okay, so what's inside the new book is a story about a regular, ordinary, regular, regular, issue family, a dad, Harry, and his two almost grown-up adolescent kids, it starts following them and because I was a teacher, I made it so that I could help a lot of the kids that struggled with reading. I was a specialist, Year 12 teacher, and I found a lot of them couldn't, they could do the work until they got to the exams and they really struggled because of the reading. So I designed this book so that they could read a lot better and had all these different strategies to get them reading in lower levels.

But as it turned out, the book actually became much more than that and became about sinking, working out how to think, sinking. Because a lot of them don't really know how to process their own thoughts and how to express them. And that's where they get into trouble. Now when you say sinking, you mean lining something up to where it matches? And making things make sense in their own real world. I'm still trying to do that after 50 years. I think we all are doing that. But anyway, it takes you through someone who's bought his baggage from growing up, Harry.

He was a little bit of a player in the classroom and had all sorts of excuses to get out of doing things. That's my kind of guy. I think there's lots of guys out there like that and a few girls as well. Yeah. And it takes you through how it impacted on his work life, but it's fun. It's not serious. And you can see how in the end he's got a daughter who is a little crazy, not super crazy, just she's an extrovert.

And if she sees a chance to take the teacher off course, she'll go for it. And that's a really funny passage about how all of a sudden the sparrow comes in and goes crazy and she makes a Shakespeare speech. Then all of a sudden a spider drops out of the air conditioning and everyone's screaming and he puts it in her mouth with a few feet hanging out. These things actually

did happen. Wow. Oh, in your classroom? Yeah. Wow. You actually had somebody put a mouse in their mouth in your classroom? No, a spider. A spider. I've seen your guys of spiders there in Australia. Those things are like small

critters. They're like a small dog, really. That's right. This was a huntsman. Oh, it was just a huntsman. Yeah, I've seen that. I've seen nightmares from that, and I've never seen one in person. I just see the picture.

Yeah. And anyway, it starts off showing her. She hasn't got any self-discipline. And I'm so sorry. But anyway, then there's a mood monitor in there to show you how that she should be a little bit more perceptive of how she's behaving and judging, working out what she's wrong. And I actually made one of those for the kids and they used to come and say, can I have another one? Oh. Because it actually really worked. Oh wow. Yeah. And then it goes to

Henty to us. Henty's the old serious, sensible boy and he likes bikes. The thing is, when I was working, I was working out on the outer rim of Melbourne and in the schools. The kids all had motorbikes and farms and stuff. And so the books pushed towards that because I went to a workplace training for health and safety at one stage and they were saying kids were more likely to, or anybody was more likely to die, 50 times more likely in the first week of work. So I thought, that's what they said at this training course, whether or not it's true. Now, is it their personal company or is this just in companies in general?

No, this was the government when you went to learn how to do risk assessments. Oh. People die within the first. Something's going on at that office place. And that's all I'm saying. I don't know. That's what I'm wondering, too.

And anyway, it was enough to motivate me whether it's true or not to think, I'm going to make it about going to work and building all these little tricks about being safe. Oh. So that's all built in there, too. and then all of a sudden this big beautiful tree comes along from the dry country, 500 years old, and Harry gets to plant it. And the kids see the pictures he took that night,

and off they go to have a look at it. And then this tree is just no ordinary tree. And that's where all the imagination starts coming in. On their way, that don't walk, man jumps out of the lights where they have to stop and hops in the car and starts talking. When they're driving along, the knuckles in their hands, these digits, in other words, fingers reverse come up and start talking to Harry on the steering wheel and the kids start laughing and they can't believe it.

So Harry's got this wild imagination that he's always thought was his own. But what happens is the kids all of a sudden be drawn into this world of imaginists that he has to entertain himself. And these characters all become part of the journey to bring out all these different learnings and wisdoms, but in a funny, happy, out there weird way. And who were the inspirations of these characters? Did they come from maybe some of the kids

or a compilation of stuff? Or who are some of the parents, or some of the designs that you used to bring these protagonists? The interesting thing is I just let the story flow. Like there was a parent-teacher interview once where a mum told me about the daughter putting the spider into her mouth. All the other things happened that I did say, but I put them all together. And then, so that was a student-driven thing. I grew up with my father.

Actually, when I was little, I used to go out and help him on his road job. He made roads. So I knew about machines. And basically the inspiration with a lot of students. And me. I struggled at school to read, but I was super bright. And it was just decoding the letters. So what, and I found that with a lot of the kids.

So when I did that first book that's never been published, it's been printed. But it goes through looking at the, the power of words against the power of images. And you can see here it becomes a joust, and that's where I start looking at how the left brain and the right brain work and the ones that drop back, that you can tell a really, really clever struggle with their words.

So I thought I'd build in a platform with all the things that I learnt when I was struggling. I couldn't look at the blackboard and write at the same time I'd go dizzy. so I'd have to just write without looking at what I wrote. And I found my dad would have those readers digest books that had the double columns, and I'd find that I would lose my place even on the columns. So I made all the characters color-coded. So when you read the book, all the harmonies purple text,

henties a different color, and it goes like that so that you can't lose your place. Oh, wow. And you know who's talking. And then in there too as an extra added bonus is once I was at a school doing a replacement class and the teacher left the work saying hand in the dictionary task that she's given them, only three-handed stood up and handed it in, the rest didn't. And I was saying, what's gone wrong? I could have told you the answers.

And they went running out to the lockers and said, I, we didn't know what the dictionary words meant. We couldn't work them out. So that gave me an idea too. And I put a word decoder in it, but it wasn't a dictionary word decoder. It was something really simple, wise, or wisdom is cool stuff that makes you think, solves a problem and it stays with you with it. And it's worth remembering. It's inspirational.

The light bulb comes on, something like that. And they get it. It's got all sorts of things happening in there. Now, I know this is a special edition or maybe a revised edition. Tell us what makes this different than the original book. People can still find Amazon from 2011. They actually can't because that was actually stopped for sale a long time ago. Oh, okay.

I just saw, I guess I could see the image on there. They do. They still put it on, but it's not for sale. And they did a special edition. There's a lot more images in, a lot more updated images. The text is much, it's a lot more current, the thinking behind the text and the way that they've laid it out. So it works even more effectively than it did the time before. And it's just a lot more powerful.

They let me put in, when I did the first one, a lot of it had to be taken out. Can I just show you something? Yeah, please do. Over here, I don't know if you can see. see me. Let me see if we can see you here. Yeah. I did, I did a Wisdom Warriors book. And I, and then because I went back to working, it had everything I wanted in there and absolutely every detail. But when I went to a publisher because I thought that I'd be working and couldn't keep selling them, I had to take out a lot of the images and things like that. And it, and it was changed.

And so this new book, they let me put whatever I liked back in and made it work. No rule, no limits. And it works how it was meant to work in the first place. Now, the artwork in this, tell us about the artwork in this because it's special. It is special because I painted it and created it or drew it.

There's up there you can see. when the new book starts open, when the new edition opens up, you see this magical mystery world open up to you and it's from a painting that I've painted. And that's really in Paken and where Cardi Dar is a real place. A lot of that is information that is, that really exists that paintings I really did do. And then the Abbees, the Abbeys up the back there, they're the earth, plumbers and whatever they do and they're the ones that come in with Harry and restore all the damage that the magic's done on the first tree event. I can tell you exactly what happened.

Sure. I wrote the story first and then I thought, I was just, it was more of a project for me to solve problems for thinking and learning for people. And so I thought, I'll create. all these images and I was a design teacher. I thought I could show them how to do this technique and that technique. And so it became a labour of love more than anything else. And yeah, and as I walked around the lake where I lived, I'd never seen a yabby.

And all of a sudden, a Bord, Cormoran came and dropped a dead yabby on the rock. So I photographed it. And then I wrote about a great gnarly spotted tree, but there was a bird, weren't any of it. So I happened to go to a different school because you went from school to school assessing the state reviewer. And there was this great gnarly spotted tree, so I photographed that. And the whole book, every time I got to a next stage, I found what I needed, or I'd had a painting, or I had a, it was just, it was just something that I'd never expected to happen, but the whole thing came together and it was almost like it was meant to be. Mm.

Some things are meant to be and how long are you been doing paintings and stuff? How did you get good at this and decide that this was the thing for your book instead of hiring a third party like some people do? Because, because I could do it for free. Yeah, for free. That's the right answer. The answer I had here is the right answer. You can do it for free.

And, you know, there's probably a bit more personability to reading a book where not only the artwork has been done by the author and they've carefully curated it and the care and love is there. And then the story as well. So this is pretty great. I mean, we have a lot of authors on the book. They write children's books, different things with illustrations. And usually they're good at writing. They have to hire somebody else to do the artwork. And sometimes it would be a challenge.

But you have the ability to remake you really personal and include it. And that's a great talent to have. You can save yourself a lot of money. You don't have to wait for people to do their thing. One of the problems with art, sometimes you're like, hey, can you make that? And they're like, yeah, in two or three months, we can get it back to you. And they get back to you and like, ah, I've got to change some things there. Oh, that would be another two or three months.

That's right. That doesn't have any. I can do it. You can do it. And the other thing, too, is, we're going to. When this first one that I did happened, it was all of the new computer systems were coming in and Photoshop. And a lot of teachers were struggling, learning to do it. So I made it like at the very beginning.

It starts off with simple stuff that you can do in Illustrator. Oh, I can't hold it up high. So that's so that the kids can use it. And then we do different exercises. And then I'd show them how to do spears. So the seeds that are flying out, the motorbike riders are coming out of the seeds, is in Photoshop to show them how to use that filter. So there was all sorts of double intentions.

Yeah, and it just makes for, to me, that would make for a better book. Because one thing I always like is when authors do their own audible reading book, they read the book, because it just feels more personal. There's a few authors that I really enjoy. And for some reason, it's whatever the reasons are, they haven't done the reading of their book and they pay somebody else to come read it. And I just, I just really don't feel it flows as well unless it's the author. It's their words. They wrote the book and it's their experience. And I think it's just, it's like more genuine. If Stevie Nix writes a song and she's like,

I don't want to sing it. I'll have Bob and the band sing it. You're like, no, it came for Stevie Next. Right. We want to hear her voice sing this song. But I don't know, some, some people are better than other things. I think Tom Petty and her, they used to share a lot of songs, or she did a lot of songs of his that he wrote and said, this is better on your voice. There's that too. So now, is there anything forthcoming? Is this going to be maybe a series or build out of the characters into future books? Yes, it is. And there is already the second book. and I have it with my publishers in Combindings and they have already got it in the process of putting it together

they've got all of the images created and it'll just be a matter of when they'd like to release it it'll be a while because this one's just come out but it'll be probably by the end of the year I trust them they're really good books things have done really well We had a lot of their guests on the show. So how did you know when you were good at reading?

How did you know that when you kind of are writing, we actually talked about your reading? How did you know when you're good at writing? And you kind of had this moment of epiphany where it's like, I'm going to sit down, I'm going to write this book. Well, you know what? It didn't happen that way. It never happens that way for me.

I'm just not the same. And what happened was I changed. schools. I moved over to Packerham and it was a long way to go to the other school. So I changed schools and this school, a Catholic school wanted you to say prayers in the morning. Every teacher had to get up and say a prayer or a reflection. And I didn't, I didn't, I'm not Catholic. I didn't have all the prayer books and things like that. So every night I'd sit down when it was my turn and I'd write another reflection. And people are saying,

where are you getting these things from? And the English teachers were asking me, what's happening here? And they got bigger and longer and longer and more exotic. And she said, oh, you're really good writer. And then my dad, actually, I had an exhibition or two, and I've been sitting there, like, I've done this one about,

oh, this is another one, never released. about kamikaze school girl I wrote because I was worried about. That was me. Oh. Does she run into you and blow up like a kamakaze girl? She felt like she was sometimes at school. But she was actually quite clever at school too. She was good at mass methods and physics and all that stuff.

So I had a distorted view of who I was. And so did Harry. So actually when you think about it, there's a lot more of me and Harry than you realize. And I actually never thought that I would be it. And one day I went to night school for something to do and do the subjects I like because I did math and physics at high school. And I've copied out this form.

Next minute you know I'm actually going into Melbourne University doing a double degree. And I didn't expect it. But I went for it, my boss, I worked in public relations at Danino Hospital, and he used to help me with the writing. He was a next Times, London Times journalist. He said, no, no, no, Trisha, you do it this way. And then there was that sort of influence.

And I went off to art school. And my whole life has been strange occurrences. When I got there, I thought, this is not for me, I'm going back to get my old job back. all these arty people there. And this big voice from the night school said, come back, you're going the wrong way. So I got hauled back in. And in the end, I became actually the state reviewer for Victoria for this design

subject, never would have ever thought that would happen. And I got a lot of, I worked very hard at working out how to teach the kids, how to get it right for these, because you'd get a lot of kids that are right dominant rather than the, that English mess and English sequential thinkers. And I just loved it because they knew I had their back and I worked hard for them to work out how they sought. And so this thinking came all from that, trying to help them and this writing. It just came. It just came.

It's wonderful. And I mean, you write a lot as a teacher and stuff. and my mom was a teacher too. And so there's a lot of great stuff that goes on that way. And helping people just get better, live better. I've been in the store when people come up to my mom and go, hey, I was in your class. And it's so wonderful to see because now she sees the adults and she can tell that they're, here they are, they're grown up. And she's like, oh, thanks for the end.

And sometimes she's had people come up to her. And she's had some people come up to her. And she's like, oh, she's really sweet to them and they're really nice to her. And they tell her how much she'd change her life. And then they'll leave and she'll be like, that was one of the ones that I thought would be in prison. I never thought they would ever make it. That was the problem one, Chris.

I hated that student. But I had a lot of, I bet there's a lot of teachers that thought I hated them because I flunked their class of purpose because I didn't need their credits in high school. And I told them that too. And I think a lot of them thought I thought I was an asshole. And most of the teachers that I flunked their class on purpose once again, because I didn't need the credits, I still loved them. And they had an impact on me.

Some of them were a little unkind to me because when they found out when I was up to. But in my school, in my high school, I figured out in my sophomore year that if you took all the classes and passed of the classes, you would get 56 credits or something. and you only needed 26 to graduate from high school. You didn't need all those other classes to graduate. And I was a stupid kid. I grew up poor. I wasn't going to Harvard, right? I was going to have a Pell Grant, which I did.

And so I was like, whatever. So that was the game I played. So I went to my teachers and I said, hey, a couple of them asked me. They're like, why are you flunking out? You're just sleeping at your desk now. And I go, I'm going to fail your class because, and I explained them. But no, a lot of them, so someone were a little angry. me. Some of them just said, don't come into my classroom and I'm just going to mark you here.

I just think what you're doing is so offensive to me. I'm like, I'm sorry. I don't mean to be offensive, but I'm sorry, I'm not playing this game. So you didn't make the game. I didn't make the game, but we're going to play it. And there it is. So I don't recommend that for everybody. But if you're a dumb kid, it is grow up poor and doesn't have a future, doesn't get good grades, because he has really bad ADHD and OCD. And that might be advice for you. That'll be my next book. How to Fail in School and still successful. what? You know what? I think he might have been Harry. I might have been Harry. Okay. All right. They're writing characters about me now. It's good no, I wasn't the first. You weren't the first.

It won't be the last. You know what? A lot of the kids that come up to you in the street say, remember me and have little stories like that. And they give you a big bear hug and says, because you were mean to me and made me do the work, I'm an architect now. And I've got this, this, this and that, or they'll say they've got their own big companies. One of them even got to be the director, creative, the Howard Hughes. Really? Wow. That's huge. And I can, I can, they all, I sit there and think, they all did better than me. But then I thought, you know what, that's what a good teacher can do.

That's true. Change a direction. And your teachers would have loved you deep down, I think. Yeah. And I love, I love most all of that. them, I think, pretty much all of them, except the one who was a mean, he had a paddleboard with hole stool through it, and he would slam it on the desk, and he was, he was really mean. And, oh, my driving, my driving and licensed teacher was really mean. But, you know, they were,

but most teachers are really good. They're gracious. They're there to do the right thing. And, and you, the impact that you guys have on people's lives and changing them, we've had people, we've had people on the show that grew up in abusive trauma households, crazy households, semi-orphins and stuff like that. And the people that saved them was a teacher. And the teacher knew what they were going through and help help them see the light of day. And so you guys save lives. You guys change lives. And it's all that goodness. And the great thing is now you're doing it through a book where what each group is this book recommended for, would you say?

Well, it seems to, for me, it's say, year 8, 9, 10, 11, 12. But the way it's working out, it's working that it runs at so many different levels. And it's reaching a lot of adults. It's reaching really great thinking people say, well, how can you expect a student to read that? But it's running at a really easy level to read first. And then it has another undercurrent running through it and then another. one and and I had one lawyer say to me, Tricia, you can't be expected to sell that to kids

because he saw it through his level. And then I had another one that said to me, I hated going to special reading because they give you children's books to read and it was insulting. And it was insulting. So that was another reason to design it. It was made to treat them with respect and so that you could hide the head. had the dictionary built in, it had simplistic words, it had translations in it, and you could read it your own pace, you could read it super fast, you could read it slowly, you could read it

bit by bit, but a lot of people come back and said, I've read it again. I had someone by the book once and say, oh, I wish I'd had that at school. Another one gave them the book and said, I gave it to them for a present and they cried. I cannot believe that there's a book like this for me. And then I've seen on the internet people saying in other countries, they've used it as English as a second language to help them read and get these things going because it's context and text given as a parallel journey. One side of the left brain or right brain, the brains are meant to work together, both bits.

But sometimes they're more dominant ones than the other, which is what causes the issues. Yeah. It's a thing where the other thing, too, I love, is books like these are great for parents to reach their children. And it's so important that they take that quality time. I highly recommend people do that. It builds great intimacy with your child, time, presence. It builds their mind because especially as a parent you can play up a book and do the voices and characters

and give a little emphasis and stuff to gear their imagination. And that's what children really need. And they like to do stuff over and over again to master it. That's really good. But the thing about what level of reading it's at, the average American, I know I scheduled this to America. I didn't include the world because us Americans are pretty dumb these days. Some of Europe's pretty smart.

I'm probably Australia is too. The average American reads at a 7 to 8th grade level, and that's 54% of U.S. adults, but read below a sixth grade level or even a third grade level, I guess. This book would target all of the... Will I read you one little bit? Sure, yeah. They decided to go, I'll show you this little bit, this is the school teacher in me. There's the fellow jumping out of the lights.

Oh, wow. They hopped in the car, and he said, Hello, hello, hello, I'm Henry LaGlohe. A little late but just had to wait. He says, Henri, the bloke in the don't walk crossing sign, he said, Felt trap, you look like nice folks, so I jumped into your car. Felt like rebelling, decided to walk just for the sake of it. And then he added, I was sick ago, nowhere, getting no place.

I took the leap of faith and almost as an afterthought. Trust, make it all takes trust. And that sort of stuff appeals to even adults sometimes because then they talk about what the trust is and it's not kid stuff. It takes them into, would you take that risk if you're a real person and all sorts of different things? Did you listen to that or did you go forward?

No, I listened to it. I was also looking at the pictures on your wall. I have ADHD. And these are all your art pieces here. that people can see if they're watching on YouTube. I see a cool crab there, I think, behind you? Yeah, that's that. They're the yabbies.

I'm in the way. I'll come out of the way. The other ones, maybe a lobster, crawfish or something? That's in the second book. You have to wait for those. Oh, okay. But if you have a look down there, there's grunge. And that looks at workplace, like he's the boss.

And then they have over there, they have an apprentice on his brow, mopping up everything. and then under his hair plugs there's all these hangers on the parasites that just hang around and don't do anything Wait, that sounds like people in my office And the interesting thing is

that it actually shows him in a mind drift and it actually shows that the writing says when he doesn't do what they write things He's got all sorts of amazing things happening Do you want me to read you a bit of that or we're running out at the show? I think we're about rounding out the show. So we want to, of course, have the people buy your book and get into it.

Definitely. So we'll do that. And as we go out, give people a final pitch out to order up your book and your dot com. Okay. My dot com is www. dot com. It's just easy and Portbury's P-O-R-T-B-U-R-Y, as they say on the ads, onto the website you can contact me.

I've got Amazon. It's on Amazon in Australia. If you want to buy it in Australia, there's buy it on Australian Amazon, but American Amazon, it's got a 4.8 rating, and it's already got a Hollywood book review star. And I am very proud.

As you can tell. Yeah. And the next book is going to be a real cracker. this one's funny, the next one's really out there. Oh, wow. Give us the dot com one last time as we go out then. Okay, Trisha, portbury.com. Thank you very much, Trisha, for coming to show.

Yeah, I was really great, and thanks for letting me talk about my book. And it was nice to meet you, too. Thank you. Thank you. It was good to meet you and all that good stuff. so we'll be excited to see the future book coming out for you and all that good stuff. Folks pick up a book where refined books are sold. Thanks for us for tuning in.

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