The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Wrong Again, Doglips by Roger Austin

Episode Date: May 17, 2026

Wrong Again, Doglips by Roger Austin https://www.amazon.com/Wrong-Again-Doglips-Roger-Austin/dp/1969422009 Don’t let the title of this book fool you–it’s not meant to insult you. The title actually comes from one of the numerous biblical messages written and preached by the author, Rev. Roger Austin. Covering a wide range of topics, Pastor Austin deals with the types of experiences that many of us face in life–our striving to start and continue a relationship with Jesus, having a true understanding of the Christian faith, remaining committed in our walk with Christ, and how to do our best to treat other people the way we want to be treated. Since Pastor Austin has employed many stories from his own life in order to help illustrate the points he makes in his messages, readers will discover how various types of life experiences–heartbreaking, anger-inducing, and funny–contain elements that can help lead, guide, and direct us in our walk through life with Christ. While we all have our own thoughts, feelings, and opinions on the topic of religious faith, Wrong Again, Doglips will speak to both unbelievers and followers of the Christian faith.

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of any kind. Today, anyway, I'm missing a multi-book author on the show. We're going to be talking about a few of his books. We'll lead off with the first one. It is called Wrong Again. Dog Lips by Roger Austin. We're going to find out more about what's inside of this book with this wonderful, entertaining title and all that good stuff and what he's up to and what he's doing. The title actually comes from one of the numerous biblical messages written and preached by the author Reverend Roger Austin. So it's kind of interesting.

It covers a wide range of topics, and he deals with experiences. Many of the face and life of striving to start and continue a relationship with Jesus, having a true understanding of the Christian faith, remaining committed in our walk with Christ, and how to best treat other people the way we want to be treated. Welcome the show. How are you, sir? All right. How are you, Chris? I am good, Roger.

And do you want me to call you a pastor or Roger during the show? I think we... Roger's fine. Roger, give us dot-com's websites. Where do you want people to find on the interwebs? My email is Z-I-R-G-O-I-T. I am presently working on creating a website for myself to sell my books through. Ah, you want to definitely have that.

You definitely want to have that website. So 30,000 over you. What's in the side of the book? First of all, I got the for both books. The titles come from, as you mentioned, Chris, from sermons with those titles in the book. for instance, the wrong again dog lips. I got that phrase originally when I was in church choir a number of years ago, a choir practice. And I forget what my friend looked at me and said something that was totally not right.

And so I looked at him and I don't know where the phrase came from, but I just said, wrong again, dog lips. And he burst out laughing and that earned me a nickname of dog lips in that church that I was associate pastor of at the time. And I kept hearing that phrase because people thought it was so funny. They kept reminding me of that phrase. And eventually I thought I would sit down and write a sermon about people in the Bible who made statements as if they knew full well what they were talking about when in fact they couldn't have been more wrong.

And when it came to title that sermon, I thought, let's call it wrong again dog lips. What was the dog lips? Show me the dog where the dog hurt you. I'm just kidding. Yeah, and that's where if you see a copy of the front of the cover of the book, it has a picture of a dog with a kind of a weird expression on its face, if that's possible. Anyway, when it came time to name the book in order for me to try to sell it, it's just a collection of sermons.

Like, I'd like to die, but I've got stuff to do, several different sermons. And I thought, what am I going to call it? And I thought, you know, a lot of my sermon titles, some of them are kind of boring or dull or dry and wouldn't catch people to attention. But I thought, wrong again, dog lips. If people saw that title, it might prompt them to pick up the book off the shelf and take a look at it, start leafing through it, and eventually decide to buy it. So that's where the title of the book comes from. Yeah. Yeah.

There, doglips. So is it about a dog or how to do you? Do these dog lips work out? No, no, like I said, that particular sermon. And I, you know, each book has a wide variety of topics and subjects dealing with spiritual life. And that was my second book. But it was just, like I said, that particular sermon deals with people who thought they were on the right track when they couldn't have been more wrong. I've got other sermons that obviously deal with other topics.

I try to write for people, first of all, Christians who are trying to grow and deepen their faith and trying to develop their walk with Christ. But then I also write with in mind people who are simply unbelievers, people who don't have, have never really thought much about the church or the faith, in hopes that I can connect with them. So there are sermons that deal with trying to reach people like that. And then I also try to write sermons that connect with people who are very much against the faith. I've met, not many, but I've met and talked to some people in my life who had a bad experience with the church or simply have just never believed and don't want to believe.

And so I try to reach out to folks like that in my sermons as well, to try to make a connection to at least get them to start thinking, maybe this is something I need to think about, at least consider. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's, it's, you know, how long have you been a reverend for? Since 1990, 1990 is when I was ordained. Yeah. The, no, it's, it's, what do people think about the title of the book?

My mother wasn't, bless her heart, she was never really too, too fond of my sermon title. She was a wonderful, beautiful Christian lady. But she, I think she was, she was very prim and proper, and everything should have been like, you know, something that was common or made sense. But I'm a little different from my mom. And I just, I like humor. I like to try to reach people appropriately.

You know, obviously there were times when humor is not called for in a mystery setting. But there are times when I think humor can, can reach people, it can help teach. And again, I just think it works. Yeah.

Yeah. And it's, and sometimes salad, I don't know, Is this called an allegory? Sometimes these metaphors or maybe parables of different things or something, you know. But I don't know, man. I have two dogs.

I'm going to start calling them dog lips. That would be appropriate. And so tell us about some of the stories there in the book, some of the content that's in there, maybe his favorite parts that you like. All right. I do a sermon in one of the books dealing with fear. And I like to use a lot of my own personal experiences when I can as sermon illustrations. Sometimes I have many sermon book illustration books that I draw from stories and quotes and things that other people came up with.

But every once in a while I'll go, you know, I had that experience way back when such and such happened. And this would be good. So I do this one sermon about fear and overcoming fear. And I tell the story of when I had to go to the dentist one day. And I was dreading it because I was going to have to face a lot of drilling and filling in and stuff. And I was very nervous, very uptight and tense. And so I went into the waiting room of the dental office, and sitting there. And there were this one older white lady and her three kids, two teenage daughters and a little boy is probably about six or seven.

and then an elderly African-American gentleman sitting in my left. And for the first two or three minutes of my being in the waiting room, none of us said a word to anybody else. It was total, total dead silence, and I'm getting more and more nervous as time goes on. And all of a sudden, in the quietness, silence, and stillness, that little boy, about six or seven years old, he's looking around the room, swinging and kicking his feet underneath the chair, has this big stupid smile on his face.

I don't know what he's grinning about, but being at the dental office, I'm like, what's his problem? All of a sudden, in the quietness of the moment, that little boy looked right at me, opened his mouth and burped. And he burped the biggest belt of a burp I've ever heard come from a human being that small before.

Now, see, you're laughing. I was thinking the kid had to have wounded himself the process. He probably cracked the rib or pull the muscle or something. and right away one of his sisters looks at and says Jimmy that was gross and you know he didn't react it didn't change his

smile and leave his face and then I still wasn't feeling any better about going in to see the dentist and all of a sudden I looked over at the old man sitting on my left and the guy is trying so hard not to laugh he put his face in his hands he started to shake silently with laughter

his whole body shaking and then all of a sudden he dropped his hands away from his face, reared his head back and cracked up laughing. And we all just lost it. We all burst out laughing. And finally, I looked at the late. I said, you know, man, I said, before I came in here, I was scared, stiff about going in and seeing the dentist. But thanks to what your son has just done, I know it's still going to hurt. I know I'm still going to feel pain. But it will be okay. I have something to take my mind off of it. And I thought later on, I thought, you know, God does that with us. When we're facing a terrorizing maybe situation, we're full of fear and worry and concern, there are times where God reaches out to us and comforts us in any number of different ways.

And sometimes as he uses a little bit of humor to lighten the moment and get us to think, you know, it will be okay. Life will go on. It'll be okay. Life will go on. Yeah, yeah. You know, I like that. It's kind of a, would you say that's about precise?

perspective or what would you use to describe that? Yeah, I would. You know, I've had a lot of experiences like we all have throughout my life, Chris, and you go through these events in your life and you don't really think much about them at the time, but then later on you look back and you go, gosh, that was that, I shouldn't forget that. I should give that some thoughts every so often. Yeah, yeah. It's, you know, I like that.

You know, I'm a big believer in meditations. and Marcus Aurelius and stoicism. And one of the things that Marcus talks about is, you know, you're going to have challenging times and challenging experiences. And it's how you respond to that moment, how you meet that moment. It makes all the difference, you know?

So I remember growing up when I was young, Tom Peter, not Tom Peters, Anthony Robbins would talk about how, you know, one person can go to a party and they can see that the party is fun, it's lively, joyful, everyone's having a good time. Another person can go with a perspective. It's probably a reflection of themselves. Through their rose-covered glasses, they see, oh, it's depressing. No one liked it.

No one had a good time. No one was talking. No one's friendly. Two people can come away with two different experiences or perceptions of the same event. Sure. Then you're led to ask yourself, you know, how is that there? You know, one of the things I do when I go in, you know, when I've gone into surgery for different things or I'm in some time, a kind of a difficult thing.

I really default to comedy. And I don't know where I learned this from. Maybe it was, you know, growing up with a lot of belief systems being pushed on me. I was like, I don't know about all this, but what the fuck? And so somewhere I've learned, you know, comedy is a survival tool. I remember my father was, he was having his strokes and heart attacks. You know, he was, we were starting to have the, you know, those things where your health reaches that point.

And it's just lots of in and out of the hospital. stuff. And I remember, and my dad was pretty resilient, but I remember this one time got him. And he turned full gray and whatever it was ongoing on the system. He was just a walking dead man. And they went, they went into the hospital and they got him jacked up again and put the wheels back on and got him, you know, back to a normal human color. And they said, you know, we almost couldn't bring you back on this one. You got, you're going to take your meds and you got to fall through. I remember he called me from the hospital. And he was scared. scared. And I never heard fear a lot of my dad's voice. And I never heard him scared much,

but he was scared. You could really tell. And I didn't know how to deal with it because I was like, damn, he's, he's feeling it. He's really worried this time. And the only thing I could do was start telling him jokes and trying to make him laugh because I realized how she was in. And, you know, at first he was a little, you know, dragging, you know, because I didn't, I don't have any great. jokes for hospitals and stuff. I was just making up stuff like, hey, do you have a hot nurse? You got a few nurse you can hit on there. How's the food?

You know, these will, you know, whatever you can pull out of your bum on the fly with comedy for, you know, how do you make something like that funny? Really? Yeah. But sometimes that's, sometimes that's the best way. And it can change your perspective. It can, it can make something that seems so huge. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And, you know, that was, and pretty soon within a few minutes, I had him laughing at my stupid jokes. There were, like, dad jokes, basically, of things. And, yeah, I had him laughing. And then he lightened up, and you could tell that he loosened up. And so sometimes, whether it's somebody else helping us or whether it's us needing to help someone else, I mean, these are some great ways that we can kind of change the

perspective and look at things a different way. Can I get, can I rent that kid for my next time? I got to go to the dentist because that's the one thing in the world. I do not like being. You know, Chris, when that experience happened, I'm like, the timing of it, and I mean, what happened, obviously, it itself was fine, but just the timing of it and everything was just, I mean, it had to be God planned for me because I just, it was hilarious.

Anyway, maybe that's a cute old dentist out there. You should rent a kid. Yeah. What are some other things that you think people are going to take away from the book or finding the book that kind of top of mind for you. I look at the part in scripture where Jesus is asked by one of the Pharisees, you know, what's the greatest commandment? And he kind of, in my comprehension of my understanding,

he kind of breaks it down to the three pieces. He says, love the Lord your God, with all your heart, mind, and soul, and love your neighbor as yourself. Those are the most important commandments to consider. What if my name is really annoying and stupid and has barky-down? Oh, yeah, yeah. And now that you mentioned, I'll get back to that in a second. The first thing, love the Lord or God, I stop there and I say, okay, who is God?

If you're going to say you love somebody, you have to know who they are and who they aren't. And so a lot of my messages deal with the true understanding and the nature of God, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. I talk to people all the time you believe in what I consider warped, twisted, distorted views of spiritual truth. And they're very passionate about what they believe and they share their beliefs with me. But I sit there and say, you know, you've got a wrong perspective of who God is. And so I try to do my best to help them to have a proper understanding. And, you know, have I been successful? if I converted people to a better understanding of who God is, maybe I've planted some seeds.

I don't know. But that's the first thing that I think people will take away from both books is my trying to get across the accurate depiction of God, who he is and what he's all about. Secondly, my main point that I try to bring out in my sermons is to be wholly dedicated, devoted, and committed to a belief in God. and not be lukewarm, wishy-washy, two-faced hypocrite. That's where the part of that where Jesus said, love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, and soul. And I've learned over the years that one of the biggest killers of faith in people's hearts and minds and killers in the church is hypocrisy.

Somebody says, you know, oh, I believe, I'm good with God, but then they run right out and do all kinds of things, deliberately, unrepentantly, that are just total contradiction to what the Bible teaches. Yeah. And I'm like, one of my sermons is called, it's called one of the, it's a story, it's the story about Max von Sido. If you remember the actor, Max von Sido, when he was a much younger man, he played the part of Jesus.

And if it wasn't Jesus of Nazareth, the movie was another big, very well-known movie about like a mini-biogynist. of Jesus. And he did a fantastic bang-up job. Years later, I mean, decades later, when he was an old man, Max von Sido, played the person of the devil in a movie that was based on a Stephen King novel. And I used that example, and I'm not being critical, Max von Sido. I don't know where he really stands in his spiritual walk or anything. But I used that example to start off with talking about how, look, you've got to make a

choice one way or another. You know, you can't, you can neither avoid both the realm of evil and the realm of godly good, nor can you try to go both ways. You have to take a side. And, and then finally, to get back to what you were saying about obnoxious neighbors or, you know, I have come to an understanding throughout my life that, this is my perception, there are four different kinds. main kinds of hatred. You know, when you ask somebody why they might hate somebody else, usually it's one of these four reasons. One could be because of envy, greed, and jealousy.

Now, I'm not saying, don't hear me say that all rich people hate poor people and vice versa. But that is an issue that comes up lots of times in life and society. Oftentimes there are conflicts between the more wealthy and the very much less wealthy. Yeah. And Jesus talked about, you know, of course, not loving money to the point. I think it's Luke 1215. He said, basically, in my own modern version, he says, there's more to life than money, you know. So whether you have a lot or a little, it doesn't matter about the person that you're looking at and talking to. Another type of hatred that I try to bring out my sermons to preach against, is that based on racism and ethnic strife and tension? I point out from scripture that God loves us all and loves us all equally, no matter what skin color we have, no matter what language we speak, no matter where we come from in the world or where our ancestors came from, it doesn't matter. And yet there are people who, again, it will say, oh, I'm a Christian believer, but then they just, they really have it out, buddy, for anybody who's not a white-skinned American, you know. Yeah. We see that with the rise of white national. Yes, yes, yes.

And it's not Christian, really. No, no, it's not. A third type of hatred. And I know I could get a lot of blowback from this from certain people, but when we judge other people, morally, ethically, and spiritually. And I'll just, I'll talk, just mention examples like when someone decides to take for themselves the strategy of blowing, up an abortion clinic or beating the snot out of a gay person. Now, you know, hey, sin is sin, and I won't argue with that, but you don't, you know, my saying is you don't fight in Christian life, you don't fight fire with fire, you fight fire

with water. Yeah. You know, you try to show people just because this other person you're looking at, you know, may very strongly live in opposition to scripture that doesn't give me, that doesn't give me the right to hate them. Yeah. And then finally, the fourth and final type of hatred that I've deserved my own life that I sometimes preach against is that of revenge, of hatred of so-and-so hurt me, and I didn't deserve

it, and so I'm going to hate them back. And God backs me up on that, and I'm like, no, he doesn't. You know, while Jesus was hanging on the cross, he said, Father, forgive them. Forgive these people who put me here because they don't know what they're doing. Yeah. And so, though, I, I know, it's not that I enjoy preaching about that aspect of hatred, but as you know, there's so much hatred in the world from one or more of those different angles floating around, you see stories in the paper all the time and on the news.

And you can understand people who aren't of faith. They're going to act and think like that and behave like that and whatever. But when you have Christians, again, none of us are proud. I've struggled. I have a sermon. One of my sermons is about the first church I served in. I was an associate pastor, and I won't name the church or say where it was from. But I was treated like dirt for the two years I was there. And I did not deserve it. I was just, it was horrible. Up until that point, it was the roughest two consecutive years of my whole life. But then, and for the first couple months after I left there and went to my first church as a full-time pastor, I kept looking back at that first church in mind. I thought, boy, I hope God really, really makes those people suffer in some way. I hope he really just puts the screws to them and has all kinds of bad things fall on them. And then after a couple months of thinking

like that, while I'm preaching at this new church, I started thinking to myself, you know, Roger, how hypocritical are you? You know, you're preaching about God's forgiveness for people when they ask them to forgive them. And you talk about how we ought to forgive each other, but you haven't forgiven those people in that church that roughed you up so much. Yeah. And so I, Chris, I really had to struggle with that. I prayed my head off.

God, give me the strength to put this nasty episode behind me and stop dwelling on it and stop thinking in my mind how, you know, vengeful I feel toward these people. And I also looked up just about every single passage I could find in the Bible that talked about forgiving those people who hurt you and not wanting revenge. And buddy, let me tell you, I learned from that. And I think that has played into my theology and my preaching as well. Yeah. And I'm glad you're covering these topics. You know, these are important things.

You know, I grew up in the cult of the Mormon as Mormons. Oh, did you really? Yeah, I did. I knew it was full of shit. Three years old, I'm like, there's something fucking going on here. Yeah. And, you know, Mark Twain even critiqued the Book of Mormon, calling it chloroform in print and its sepid mess of inspiration and the greatest plagiarism of the Bible ever known. And when you read the Bible and you read the book of Mormon, you can see the plagiarism.

Yes, yes, yes, you can. It's basically the same plot to the whole thing. And so anyway, I grew up with that. And then I've read the Bible. I read the Bible when I was young. And, you know, I'm an atheist. And so I still, to this day, will be like, you know, what should I do here? What's the higher road?

What would Jesus do? You know, there's a lot of times where I will say that to myself. What would Jesus do? You know, I believe, yeah, I don't, you know, a lot of people think, and I don't want to throw a lot of people into this. But, you know, some people think that, you know, if you're an atheist, you don't have a moral compass, you don't have a guy. No, no. You do. I mean, you wouldn't tell you.

others is people are doing to you. A lot of the Ten Commandments are that basically that. Do you want to the Golden Rule, you know? Exactly. The Ten Commandments are a very valid thing. Most of these ancient tomes, whether you believe in Buddhism or this, that, or the other, a lot of these books, they're kind of like early self-help books. They're books on maybe how to live a good life as a human being.

And so I think about that a lot. And I know most of my atheist friends that I know, I keep myself surrounded with a lot of high quality people, we do have the moral compass. And we do think about, you know, we'll reference these books. You know, Buddha had some good stuff. I mean, even I think the Torah and what's the other one, the one with the Muslims, you know, all these books. The Quran, yes, thank you. They all have pieces of really good stuff. But one of the biggest things I think, I wish Christians would fix because I'm a living, the person. If you need to believe what. you want to believe to get through life, go ahead. You don't have to believe what I believe. It's okay. You can believe what you want to believe. You know, I deal with the whole family that's Mormons. So to this day for 40 years.

And so you can believe we are. Just don't push it on me, man. Keep it yourself. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I don't know, there's a joke there. I'm not going to tell. But it's off subject. But, you know, the biggest challenge is when I see Christians doing performative

Christianity. and not adhering to the, you know, I've read the Bible. I know what Jesus said. And, you know, do it to others, you know, and all this stuff. And so some of a lot of things you've talked about, I really wish they would fix the hypocrisy thing. Talk your walk and walk your talk. We're in perfect beings, cool, but that doesn't mean you need to use that every week

at confession as a get out of jail card to just do heinous shit all week. So I'm glad you're talking about that. in addressing it because I see that. Yeah, and it is tough, Chris, because people want to, you know, people from the outside of the faith will look at someone, a Christian who repents on a regular basis, daily basis of confessing their sins and whatnot, and say, you know, you're not, you know, you ask for forgiveness, then you run right out and do the same thing all over again. And I think there's a difference between people who do that kind of thing deliberately and people who really try to do their best. And even those of us who really do try to.

to walk the straight and narrow and do it right. We're all still going to fail from time to time. But it's how we look at that when we do screw up. And what we do about trying to do our best not to fall into the same trap. I tell this story. I have to admit that I've read a little bit about the fellow who started, who founded the church of Satan. Oh, yeah.

Anton LeVey. Dan LeVille. One of the many things that led him as a growing, youngster to form his theology in that regard was that at one point he worked in a circus and he noticed that on certain most of the bulk of the week during at the circus people who worked there would be oogling over the half-naked ladies belly dancers and stuff of the circus and making eyes at them and cat-calling whatnot basically mentally committing adultery but But then when it came to Sunday for the tent evangelists to preach their message, those same

gentlemen would be there in their seats, oh, Lord, we love you, you know, we honor you. And that taught him, Anton LeVay, he figured he took away that nasty example. And the church wouldn't be able to survive if it weren't for these hypocrites. And that, you know, I've said to myself, when I hear that story, I'm like, you know, the last thing that I want to have to own up to when I face God in judgment, when my time finally comes, is have to answer for turning more people away from the faith than I actually turn toward the faith. You know? And so it is a big problem. Hypocracies is a tremendous challenge for the church.

Yeah, yeah. And I just, you know, I think it's a good belief system for many people, whether, you know, whether you believe in the Torah or, you know, whatever. you know, just try and walk the sock, you know. I think of myself as a leader and a CEO, and in doing that, I try and work every day to behave as a good leader. Some people should follow my companies and stuff and what I do. And yeah, I fall off the track every now and then, but I'm not every week being a jackhole to.

Yeah, right. And then I'm just like, I got to get out of a free card at the end of the week. So I can be the biggest jerk in the world. And, you know, I mean, some people are, I mean, they're just not screwing up one thing. They're pretty consistent. They got the racism. They got the hate of other people. You know, they're stacking it, right?

And you're just like, hey, man, have you read this Bible thing? You know, I'm an atheist, but I'll send you a copy. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's pretty good. Yeah. Let's get into your other book real quick so we can get some room in for that and some promotion. I like to, I'm going to, I should preface this is, this is the title of the book.

folks. I like to die, but I've got stuff to do. Helpful hints for victorious living. Talk to us about what's in this book. Honestly, the short answer is much of the same of the kind of messages that's in a wrong-again dog lips, but obviously very, you know, different messages and sermons. But I will share with you the story of where that title comes from and that the message with that title in that book.

there was a period in my ministry a number of years ago where there were just a lot of crazy things going on. There were a lot of people in my church who were going through some major stuff. And I myself personally was struggling with some stuff. And I just remember one day kind of sitting down taking a break, kind of thinking about evaluating what was going on in my life at that point. And I thought, man, there's a lot of crap and garbage going on all around me. I was just like, I'd like to die right now and just go on and be my soul beyond in heaven with Jesus for eternity. But then in the next breath I said, but I can't because I've made all these plans of things I've got to do, some of which were based on some of the stuff I was going through, how to help correct some of the stuff that I was presently facing.

And I thought, yeah, I'd like to die, but I got stuff to do. And then I started thinking about it. And very soon after that, I ran across the passage of scripture. from the book of Philippians in the Bible, the first chapter, and I should be able to quote it perfectly from, say, the new international version. But in my own words, what the Apostle Paul was saying was, yes, I would, if I could right now, to drop dead and go on and my soul be with Jesus in heaven for eternity. And he's talking to the church at Philippi when he's writing this.

And he says, but you, because of what your needs and what's going on with you right now, I choose to stay alive for as long as I can to do the work that God has given me. And I said, I looked at that and I said, that's it. That's my philosophy. That's who I am. That's how I think and feel. Because honestly, Chris, I, now I know there are people who have suffered a lot greater things than I have. I was never abused as a child.

I've never been a prisoner of war. But I've been through some major things. By the time I was in my mid-20s, I outlived. I had outlived a brother, a sister-in-law, a cousin, and a nephew. Wow. And I myself, my very first semester in seminary, during one weekend, I fell and broke my back, crushing a vertebrae. Oh, geez.

Sending me home for the rest of the semester before I could do. start back at seminary. So, you know, I'm familiar with suffering and pain. And yeah, there are times, and I know I'm still going to have probably similar events come up for as long as I do live continually from this point forward. But at the same time, I know that for some reason, God helped me to survive the car wreck, the mugging that I survived, the broken back, because he has a plan. And until he decides, my time is up, I do. I've got stuff to do. I have things that I need to do for Christ.

The title of my book would be, I like to die, but I've got bills to pay. You know, it's funny, people always ask me over the years. And this came from, this came from my sales staff.

And every day and then, one of my sales guys would, he'd make so much money one month, and he wouldn't want to work. He'd have all his bills paid and his belly full and, you know, that sort of thing. And he would come to my office and be like, hey, Chris,

I can't get motivated. A call. phones. I remember one time one of my employees came in, he goes, Chris, you know, when I came to work for you, I was six months behind of my child support, and he had 10 kids. So it was a big deal. Yeah. And they didn't have a car. He was living on his friend's couch. He was broke, obviously didn't have a computer, didn't have nothing. And he's just just barely getting by with a huge gun up to his head. Comes to work for me, starts making a lot of money and most of our guys did and the way we were set up. And he goes, Chris, I've got a computer now. I got a home office.

They got my own place. I got a new car. I got my child support. Now I'm when he caught up for the first time in my life. And he goes, I've made so much money and my belly's full and I just can't motivate myself to work. And I'm like, let me explain something to you, son. You may have paid the bills this month. Yeah. Bills are coming next month again. From the month after that. They come of the month after that. So you think you're, you're like paid up and in the clear, but you're really not because it never ends. Yeah. And what is it? Taxes and bills. And so people since then, for years have always asked me, Chris, what is it that motivate you to get up every morning and inspired to do shit? And I'm like, you're not going to answer. And they're like, no, please tell us

the secret. And I'm like, you're not going to answer. You're not going to answer. But it's true. and it gets me up every morning. And they go, what is it? And then I go, I got bills to pay. And the next month there's a new set of bills. And the next month there's a new set of bills. And that just keeps me going. And they're like, are you serious?

That's the most depressing thing ever. And I'm like, not really if you think about it. And once again, the perspective, like we talked about the beginning of the show. So, yeah. So that would be the ton of my book. I like to die, but I got bills to pay and people I have money too. All right. I don't want them to, you know, I don't want the mom coming

after my relatives for what I owe for my big debts. I don't have gambling debts. It's a joke. So in the book, 52 Bible-based messages focus on assorted topics such as being spiritually revived, having the conviction to change one's behavior and views, selling conflicts, human emotions, and the authority of the Bible, including jokes, quotes, and stories. I like to die, but I've got stuff to do. I love it.

Be careful when you type that in, folks. I got the suicide 988 warning on that. When you search for that book to buy it, make sure you go Amazon first and search. Which, I mean, it could be helpful in many ways. But, you know, maybe sometimes having a purpose, maybe. Is this, maybe it's about finding the purpose in life? Yeah, I do. I think, you know, like that sermon title indicates, I would.

Chris, I mean, you know, my first year in college, my very first year in college, I went through a number of things. I was in a car wreck that I wasn't injured, but my, car was destroyed. I was mugged by someone who didn't belong on my college campus. My sister-in-law and my grandmother both passed away. And I dated and broke up with two women and flunked out of one class two times before taking a third time finally passing it. Yeah. That's just Fridays around here at the Chris Fosha. You know, during that year, I kept waiting for an end to bad things, you know, stop happening to me. And they just kept coming and coming and coming.

And I learned a couple of things. One, I learned that I was a lot, God enabled me to be a lot stronger than I gave myself credit for. There were times when I found myself flat on my back in the prayer chapel to college praying to die. Because, you know, when your own life is threatened in various ways, when family members around you, loved ones are passing away, and you're struggling just to be happy and have success in certain. areas. Admittedly, you're like, is it worth it trying to go on here? And I know I'm not being critical of people who get to those points where they feel like I just might want to end it all. I've been there and done that. I understand. But at the same time for me, I figure as long as I have

my health, mental and physical, and I'm able to think and rationalize and carry on a relationship with God and understand what God's will is for my life, I have no business trying to end my life early. It's going to happen one way or another, but until that time, it's not for me to prematurely bring it to an end. I, just the sense of mission, of purpose has always been with me, and I'm like, you know, when God's good and ready, he'll see to it that I'm no longer walking the earth. But until then, I, again, I've got stuff to do. Yeah, probably have some bills you.

You know God, baby. I don't know how that works, but I think there's something about that in the Bible or something. Doing his will or something. Yeah, and I'm not trying to say that by doing his will, that earns me, you know, a spot in heaven. We have a proper understanding of the faith is that you're safe from the penalty of your sins by coming to accept Jesus as your Savior. But once you are a believer, then you have that. responsibility to first figure out what God's will is, figure it out correctly, and then go and do it. Go and do it.

So as we go out, give people a final pitch out to order up your books, get to know you, your dot coms, where can they find you in the interwebs, etc., etc. I am presently working on trying to develop a website too for that very purpose. But in the meantime, if people want to email me, which they're welcome to do, the word is Zergoit, and I'll spell it, Z-I-R-G-O-I-T-Mail.com. One of the other sermons I have is I use about the, talk about the names of people in the Bible, and what their names stood for. And I open up by talking about the various nicknames, friends and family members of mine had given me over the years. One of which was when I was in seminary, one of my friends saw a

cartoon character and he thought named Zergoit and he thought that would be a good name for me. Most of my family members call me Riegore, which is Roger spelled backwards. Oh, really? Yeah. Sounds like an alien name. It's got a Russian name there. And then there's, I was known, as you know, I was called Doglips, with the first church I worked in. Yeah. So anyway, Zergoid, that's where it comes from. The Z-I-R-G-O-I-T is how to get in touch with me. Zergoid at gmail.com. Zergoi at gmail.com. Thank you very much for coming the show.

It's been fun to have you on, Roger, and I didn't even know dog lips was an insult you could do on somebody. I might call my dogs every now and then. My dogs have 5,000 variations of nicknames. But maybe I'll just say that to them when they, you know, one of them poops on the floor. I'll be wrong again, dog lips. I've got this 10-month-old puppy that's getting,

my turn into a St. Bernard, it's a husky. And he's probably the biggest husky I've ever owned out of five huskies. And he's only 10 months. He's already eclips the size of my eight-year-old husky. Oh, my goodness. And she's terrified now because he's just, he's like a, I call him the puppy shit for brains in a Ferrari body. He's got this muscular Ferrari giant, huge body and energy that can just crack at energy.

you know, the huskies are. But he, you know, his brains are still puppy. And like, you have to, you get angry with him and you're like, okay, he's, he's still a puppy. Uh-huh. Right. Maybe I'll just, every time he does something wrong, I'll be wrong again, dog lips. Maybe he'll be offended or something. I don't know.

Well, Chris, it has been an honor and a pleasure to be able to do this. I'm so glad it worked out, even if I had to do it on my phone. We got it. Thank you very much, Roger. Thank you very much. Thanks for us for tuning in. Ordo up his book, wherever fine books are sold. Wrong again, dog lips.

And no, I'm telling you that's the book title. I'm not accusing you folks out there being wrong again. So be right. Ordered the book. Wrong again, dog. Thanks for us for us for us for us for us for us for us for us for us for us for us for us Foss 1 on the TikTok. Any hell's crazy place in it.

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