The Church of What's Happening Now: The New Testament - #200 - Joey Diaz, Bruce Buffer and Lee Syatt

Episode Date: August 1, 2014

Joey Diaz and Lee Syatt are joined by the voice of the UFC, Bruce Buffer in studio. This podcast is brought to you by: Onnit.com. Use Promo code CHURCH for a discount at checkout. Nature Bo...x. Visit Naturebox.com and use promo code Joey for 50% off your first order. Naileditlife.com - Get 20% off a vapor pen by mentioning the Church. Recorded live on 07/31/2014.

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Starting point is 00:00:46 Wednesday night, motherfucking edition. The church of what's happening now? Kick it. One, two, what? Wednesday, 200 episode. Get the popcorn. Rub her feet. What? Lee Syatt on the scale.
Starting point is 00:01:01 Doing it. Doing it. Fluing it. What? Oh shit. The 200 episode. Joey Diaz, Lee Syatt. Happy birthday to us, cop suckers. That's how we do it. Oh shit, special guests.
Starting point is 00:01:17 Buffet. Bruce Buffet in the house tonight, motherfuckers. So roll them up, do what you need to do. Tell them mama to take the bra off. It's all over. You're sniffing those tithee. They turn fucking purple. Turn that shit off me.
Starting point is 00:01:30 What's going on, baby? Everything all right? Wednesday night. Can you believe this shit, Lee? I can know. A couple years, we had a conversation, and we started getting up at six in the morning. I remember driving to your house after my night shift.
Starting point is 00:01:42 I'd go home and pick up my backpack with my laptop in it. And we used to, first we did it in your office, and then when your wife got pregnant, we moved out into the living room, and we had to have a little plastic tub over it because your cats would be on the mixer. I can't believe that shit. And now we've been in two offices, and it's crazy.
Starting point is 00:02:02 Just remember one thing. Never forget where you came from. I know. Bruce Buff, what's happening, baby? Hey, I'm here, and a pleasure to be here, Joey. Thank you very much for coming in for the time. You know, I love you like a brother, and the idea of being on your 200 show, I take that as a major compliment. That's very cool.
Starting point is 00:02:18 I was waiting for a while. And it was funny because it's amazing how I've dealt with both the buffers for at least 15 years. Yeah. You're in different circles through movies. You know, grudge match. I think he did something with the longest yard. He was at one of the parties. It's amazing.
Starting point is 00:02:35 It really is just how the buffers pop up everywhere. You're like Puerto Ricans. You're everywhere. You know, considering the fact we... Well, I'm Italian. Maybe there's a slight similarity. I don't know. I think you have a better right hook than most of us.
Starting point is 00:02:48 But, you know, Michael and I'm meeting 25 years ago, and then for all the six degrees of separation that we've created in that last 20 years that I've been managing his career, I'm just mind-boggled. humbled every time I think about it. Now, where'd you grow up? I was born, I was dropped off, I was conceived in Vegas, I was dropped off in Oklahoma on the 21st, which is my lucky number. It's probably why I like to play blackjack. Then I was there for nine months,
Starting point is 00:03:09 we moved to Dallas, Texas. So real easily, between the age of one and 15, I spent half my life in Philadelphia, where my family's all born and from. So I call Philadelphia my hometown. And I spent it in Dallas. And then at 15, we moved to Malibu, which was like culture shock. I'm 15, my hormones are flying. I see girls, blonde girls I've never seen before. All I want to do is lose my virginity and learn how to serve. And I learned how to surf first. I became a lifeguard, Baywatch, before Baywatch.
Starting point is 00:03:35 And it was an incredible, incredible experience growing up in Malibu. Tough experience, actually, believe it or not. What did you go to high school with? Is that you know? Yeah. Went to high school with Dan Blocker's son, who went on to do some work. Went to blah with not Heather Locklear, but remember the fall guy with... Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:53 Heather, what was her name? But she was, every time she walked through the quad, everybody would stop and stare at her ass. I mean, this girl stopped traffic, right? It was crazy. And she went on to have a nice little career and then a nice little cocaine addiction. Hopefully she came out of that, okay. But she did well from there. And there were a couple other well-known people that came out of Samoa, some politicians.
Starting point is 00:04:12 I'd have to think for a second, but I'm not sure. And then, of course, hopefully I have something to bring to Samoa. I don't know. I'm going to ask you quite a lot of questions today. First being, where the fuck is Malibu? That's how retarded I am. Are you serious? Malibu's the beach and up?
Starting point is 00:04:26 Where's Malibu? When I go down to Panga Canyon, where is Malibu? All right, if you go down to Panga Canyon, you turn right? Right. You're in Malibu. Where's the high school? Like Dean's from Malibu. Okay.
Starting point is 00:04:36 Dean, I'll tell you a funny story about Dean. Dean and all you guys are from Malibu. Yeah, I know Dean because my girlfriend, Kim, at the time, Dean started dating her after I started dating her. And then Dean and I almost got in a big fight at a party at Malibuess Beach Club one night when one of his cronies got cocky with me. And my buddy and I called them all out, and that got stopped real quick.
Starting point is 00:04:54 And Dean and I still talk about it today because Dean and I are friends. He's a great guy. Very cool, very cool man. But Malibu High, basically, there was no high school in Malibu. Back then, it was junior high. And it was across from Zuma Beach, which today is the Malibu High School. In those days, because of the politics, they didn't want to have to bus in people from the city, probably the ethnic groups. So instead, we all got bused to Santa Monica High School.
Starting point is 00:05:20 Now, I grew up in Philadelphia, and my school was 60, 70 percent black that I was going going to, and I got along with everybody. I mean, I grew up, I'm fine. But a lot of these kids, you know, they go to Santa Monica High and suddenly they get stood up by, you know, one of the Mexican gang members or, you know, somebody else, and they go through their experiences. They weren't used to being in a multi-ethnic arena.
Starting point is 00:05:39 So Santa Monica High was a great experience, too. That was very cool. But now their high school is in Malibu. To get off the subject, I just recently, you know, it was funny. I did the fight companion with Joe. I was goofing on Atlantic City, and I kept goofing on Buff. I was the only motherfucker they sent. Even
Starting point is 00:05:53 even Dana White's get of Atlantic City because Atlantic City is no fucking joke. You walk into the hotel, you're dead. When you check in to that whatever, they tell you as a comedian, don't leave the hotel at night. Is that bad?
Starting point is 00:06:06 I'm not fucking around with nobody. When I tell you people, they tell you at the hotel. Like, when you check in, they're like, you know, you don't leave the hotel at that. Like, you just don't do it. Isn't it like a boardwalk? Well, the boardwalk is there,
Starting point is 00:06:17 but if you go outside the hotel into the street, go stand on the corner for 15 minutes. Oh, my gosh. I grew up in Boston. And I came here when I was right around 21-22, so I never got to, I couldn't ever go there, so I never experienced it.
Starting point is 00:06:30 When I did Joe's last time, he spoke about Camden, how Canton is having a big problem right now. Let me tell you something. They're having a problem now. When I was growing up, that area was real. Pensalkin. Where's Jack Nicholson from? I forget the name of that town down.
Starting point is 00:06:47 IMD-B time. Neptune, New Jersey. We played Biddy Basketball at Neptune, New Jersey, one time. South Jersey, Philadelphia is no fucking joke. I don't want none of you people thinking that that part, that kind of, like I said, for years at that Eagle Stadium, they had a courtroom and a jail downstairs to process you during the fucking games. Even crazier than Boston, crazier than New York fans. So it still magnifies. So I can't even imagine you leaving that area at that time. I grew up in Germantown, Pennsylvania, and Cheltenham Township. And my brother
Starting point is 00:07:23 and I used to, my brother Brian, who I grew up with, we were, I would never allow my kid to do this today, but we were like eight and ten. We would take the train or the bus and go to downtown Philly, walk through the bad areas, we go to the Franklin Institute, we go to the museum, we go see a movie, have lunch, and we wind up getting home about 3, 34 o'clock. And that was great teaching for us as kids, because we had no fear as a result of doing all that. I would never let my kid do that today. You?
Starting point is 00:07:47 No way. Never. I don't even think about it. Like, I could never let Mercy go to a bad neighbor, but in my mind. But, you know, hey, listen, for years when I was growing up, my mom said, don't crawl. Because I grew, when I came from Cuba, we lived on 205 West 88th Street. And her biggest fear was Broadway. Really?
Starting point is 00:08:05 Right in New York, she'd say, don't fucking cross Broadway. Well, as soon as I went out that front and her head popped in, I crossed fucking Broadway. That's what you do. Once you cross Broadway in New York City, your life changes. It's like getting your dick sucked by a midget. You're never the same again. You know what I'm saying? Little midget gives you a little
Starting point is 00:08:25 Sukkawah Mink with that big head. You're never the same. You go home, you have nightmares for a month. They've got strong hands too. Yeah, they got to. I know, I got to call them little people. Fuck that. They're fucking midgets.
Starting point is 00:08:36 What do I give a fuck? Anyway, so now you're in Malibu. Because I always go to Malibu. You know, I did five Christmas movies with Dean Kaine and a fucking dog. Yeah, for ABC family. Isn't Dean a great guy? Dean's a great guy.
Starting point is 00:08:50 And to listen to his stories like, He grew up with Sean Penn down the corner. Like that, right? But that's the way it was for me, too. On point of doom, was Sean Penn, was Charlie Sheen, was Rob Lowe and his brother Chadlow. And I had Steve McQueen, who was my friend living a half mile away from me. And I surfed every day in front of his house. His son and I are still best friends.
Starting point is 00:09:11 When I moved to Malibu back then, we weren't rich. We've never been a rich family. You shouldn't need to be rich in those days. No, you didn't. The rich people lived at the beach, which was your celebrities, your movie stars, and all that. in the canyon, I lived a half mile from the beach in Trankas Canyon, a beautiful home. It cost like 50,000 back then. Today it cost you a couple million, of course, because everything's gone nuts.
Starting point is 00:09:30 But it's a different world back then. Malibu is still beautiful and spacious, but it's not like it was back then. I thought it was, maybe I'm getting older. I just loved it back then. I loved it when it was more of a countryside. Everybody knew everybody. There was 35,000 people lived there. No, 27,000 people lived there when I moved there.
Starting point is 00:09:47 So the population's increased exponentially larger. I did a Well, I watched an interview with that dude Who played and analyzed that The little Italian dude In what movie? I analyzed that
Starting point is 00:09:58 The one I did the second one Oh yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah In those days I was doing sequels I did all the bad fucking sequels But I did analyze that And he was in And he was in the one
Starting point is 00:10:10 And the second one And his name was Something Viterrelli Joe Viterrelli Joe Viterrelli Joe Viterrelly Did a thing That he left Brooklyn
Starting point is 00:10:18 and retired in Malibu. And his neighbor was Sean Penn. Then he lived on Point 2. Is that true? Sean Penn used to torture him and say, hey, when are you going to do one of my movies? And they go, ah, stop and finally one day he goes, listen,
Starting point is 00:10:32 I ain't fucking around. I need you for this movie. It was State of Grace. Stay the Grace is a great movie. Great fucking movie, dog. Nobody's ever seen Gary Oldham and that. All you dumb fucks that are watching Gary Oldham and Iron Man and True Romance. And true, he wasn't bad in true.
Starting point is 00:10:47 He was great. No, no, but now. I go see him in Pano the Apes. He was one of the baddest mofos you could ever have. Dracula. Fucking the professional. When he eats a pill and does that shit with his fucking neck. But one of his craziest movies that nobody talks about
Starting point is 00:11:02 is a film by the name of Romeo is bleeding. Oh, my God. What was her name? The woman, that's gorgeous, sexy as hell. Look at her name. That is one of the craziest fucking movies you will see. I'll tell you what. Your uncle Joey Dears will tell you don't watch that.
Starting point is 00:11:19 movie at night. That's how crazy. And it's a fucking mafia movie. It's like a mob, a hitman, cops. Juliet Lewis? Read the fuck. No, no, no, no. Read the fucking IMDB who's in that movie. Gary Oldman, Julia Lewis, David Proval, Will Patton, Gene Canfield,
Starting point is 00:11:36 Larry Joshua. Lina Olin? Yes, Lee Nolan. Yeah. James Cromwell. But Lena James Cromwell. Who else? Dennis Farina. Oh, yeah. They're not even on the first page. Yeah. No, no, no. That movie doesn't fucking end. That scene in the whole time. Lena Olden plays a fucking hitman.
Starting point is 00:11:52 A hit woman. It is one of the craziest movies you will watch. And she's sexy as fuck. Yeah, exactly. I got to say it with you, Joey. Sexy as fuck. I mean, you look at her and you might have to watch that fucking Romeo's bleak. They don't play it on TV.
Starting point is 00:12:07 It's one of my favorite movies. No, because it's too deep. It's too, they never played that shit on TV. I think I saw it in the fucking movies. And then I saw it years ago. It was on like Sundance one night. after the Exorcist at 3.35 a.m. And I taped it and I watched it two or three times.
Starting point is 00:12:25 And my wife was like, what the fuck are we watching? He was married to... He was married to... The chick, the Italian chick, that Tony was fucking on the Sopranos. That she hung herself. And the Sopranos. Wow, I got to... My mind...
Starting point is 00:12:41 Oh, my God. That's who he was married to. Anne Maria Scrabella. Whatever her fucking name is. And he had... Annabelle Scuero? Oh, the little brunette. She's a...
Starting point is 00:12:50 Yeah, dog. What he was was a cop, and he had a hole in the backyard, and he kept saying, I'm feeding the fucking hole, and he put money in the hole every night that he stole, and he shook people down for, and he just kept putting money in the hole, and she left him, but he had to deal with this hit woman, and this hit woman cleaned some clocks on the Upper West Side.
Starting point is 00:13:10 She killed Dennis Farina. They were playing cards. Just fucking... If you get a chance, Romeo's bleeding. That's your little present for the 200th episode. You know, my dad was a writer, and he said there's basically 15 plots and 150 ways to tell each story, barring any historical reference, but there are standouts of which this is one, which is not a typical plot that's been told. This is an extremely unique film, and if you're a film buff or you want to see something, I'm telling you right now, you've got to listen to Joey. See this movie.
Starting point is 00:13:38 I remember it opens up with, they're both bleeding in a car. That's how the movie opens up. Because it goes backward. It goes backwards. So it's a scene where they're driving. And he's like, help, help. And she's been shot, and he's been fucking shot. And they're driving, cutting people off,
Starting point is 00:13:55 and there's blood everywhere. And you're like, what the fuck? And all of a sudden it shows him, like, getting married, eating Chinese food. So it's one of those fucking... Remember she had one arm? What was the thing in that? Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:14:06 Remember that? That's right. Yeah. No, this is fucking crazy. It's so far out there. Fucking crazy. And I always forget to talk about it, to check it out with fucking Rick. Rick, that's a great movie.
Starting point is 00:14:15 Gary Holden, Dracula. everybody says if you take a poll that Gary Olden's Dracula is the best Dracula that ever made. Fact of fiction. If you can cut Keanu Reeves out of the movie, yes, it was.
Starting point is 00:14:28 Keanu Reeves is probably the worst thing in the movie. And I'm a Keanu Reeves fan. I mean, give me point break every day, any day of the week. But yeah, he was menacing in that. How fucking good is point break? I can watch it everything.
Starting point is 00:14:38 Seriously. How good is the guy that died in point break? Swayze? I grew up with the Bodies of this world. I grew up with the Swayze characters. These were my, bros when I was growing up. Everything in that movie I related to, except the bank robberies, of course. But I mean, they were nuts. Surfers are nuts. Believe me, a whole different
Starting point is 00:14:55 ilk all to themselves. Really? Real surfers. I'm talking not, not, I like to surf. I'm talking a real surfer. They eat, live, and breathe surfing. It's a whole different society. And these guys would rob and go hit different beaches to get the... Yeah, remember that's how they found it in point break, because Gary Busey, who was, and speaking of Malbu, Gary Bucy was my... neighbor next door for eight years during the Buddy Holidays. I used to party with him down at Trancas with him, Michael Parks, David Caradine, the lows would come down when they became of age. I mean, you name it. Anybody lived in Malibu party, this place called Trachas. It was the hot spot. I mean, we got brawls there, we got drunk there. We did everything can imagine there.
Starting point is 00:15:36 You don't have anything like that in Malibu anymore. That's when Malibu was a little more quieter, but it could be wilder. Now, what's the stuff about McQueen you were talking about? Because that's one of my dogs to the fucking end. You know, I write about it in my book, and thank you, Joey. You read my book and really appreciate the words you gave me on it. But I had the pleasure of meeting Steve, because when I moved to Malibu, I became friends with Chad McQueen, his son,
Starting point is 00:16:03 and we became best friends. And I first met Steve when he walked up with Ali McGrath to his house. It was right after they finished making the getaway, and they had that really highly profile romance, you know, when he left. How hot was she? hotter than hot. He smacks her in the fucking face by the station wagon. Which he really did.
Starting point is 00:16:18 He really slapped her. He belt her. Watch the scene. We put it on. What should I put it in? The getaway. Steve McQueen, Ali McGraw, the smack in the fucking mouth. Sam Peck and Paw film, one of my favorite directors.
Starting point is 00:16:28 I remember seeing it on the movie theater. The cinema movie theater in Unison, New Jersey. As long as you had the money, then check your ID. And I remember going to see that movie, and Steve McQueen fucking destroyed me. Mr. Cool. Just destroyed me in that movie. I got to tell you something. I'm not one for big remakes.
Starting point is 00:16:45 The one that they remade? With Alec Baldwin. With Alec Baldwin. The reason today why I like Alec Baldwin is because of a scene in that movie. Which one? When he's in jail and Kim Baxter comes to see him. He's in the Mexican jail in the beginning. He's in the Mexican jail and he says to her, blah, blah, why are they talking?
Starting point is 00:17:02 And she's like, yeah, I want to see my brother to spend some time with the kids. And one of those sentences, he goes, can you do me a favor? Can you get me out of here? Can you really? And unless you've been on that side and you've asked somebody, they get you out, his tone. There's a tone you use because they're going to come in and say,
Starting point is 00:17:20 you know, when people come visit you in jail when you've made bail, they come in, they check you out, and then they ask what happened. And now you've got to tell them a story, and they start crying, and you start crying, and then they're trying to tell you how they're trying to put money together,
Starting point is 00:17:35 or, you know, whatever. But the way he cleared the story, the way he cleared the air, and he goes, can you get me out, Can you do that for me? Can you do that for me? That was just perfect.
Starting point is 00:17:47 Well, you know what, he was perfect casting, because stepping into McQueen's shoes, redoing that, for those of us that saw the original getaway, I used to argue about sequels because I thought, why the hell are they making this movie? I've seen this a million times, but I forget about the fact there's younger generations that don't see what we see.
Starting point is 00:18:01 But as far as Steve is concerned, he walked into the house. He said, hi, how are you? We chatted for a bit. He said, you're always welcome here, just call first. And he would give a party. when he first moved in the house.
Starting point is 00:18:13 And what he did was he would take little five and $10 bills and $1 bills. And he'd stick them underneath things throughout the house. And he'd sit back and anybody that bothered to take the dollar bill he would never invite back to his house. He didn't trust anybody. You know, and he was just a wild character. You come down on the beach with a six pack of beer and tell us stories. And I remember when he did the towering inferno.
Starting point is 00:18:33 And I said, hey, should I go see it? Is it good? He goes, no, I just did it for the money. Don't waste your money on that film. You know? It's like he was just. I went to see that in the movie. It was, it's dated now, but it was fun.
Starting point is 00:18:44 I had like an all-star cast. What was back in the days of the disaster movies, you know, airplane and then, not airplane to comedy. It started with Poseid an Adventure. Beside an Adventure. Then the one that shook, they did a fake earthquake movie. Earthquake. Earthquake. And then there was 3D in the movie theater.
Starting point is 00:19:01 So the speakers are so loud. People would come out of, oh my God, it shook. Get the fuck out of you. The fucking speakers were loud, you dummy. He's fucking moan. There was no fucking, like, age. They just put the fucking thing to 20. And everybody in the movie theater was like, oh, my God, it's shit.
Starting point is 00:19:20 I'll tell you another thing about Steve, not just, you know, we can get off him in a second, but he's a very tough guy. Bruce Lee would come over and train him. I never got a chance to meet Bruce. I've met him after that thing. But he still has the plaque. Chas still has the plaque that Bruce Lee awarded him a ranking in G. Kondo. And it's probably, Steve McQueen's stuff is going for ridiculous money right now. I'll give you an example.
Starting point is 00:19:40 let me not get too far ahead of myself. He would have Chuck Norris come over. And Chuck Norris, and he'd either go train with Chuck at his dojo or Chuck would train at the house. And Steve would spar. He would get in there and get nasty. You know, they wasn't like casual E-Pom, points bar. They would spar. Because I used to train with Pat Johnson,
Starting point is 00:19:57 who did all the choreography for Live and Die in L.A. and Mutantinia Turtles and all that. Excuse me. Another movie that they've been playing lately. Which one? To live and die in L.A. It's a good movie. At 7 o'clock.
Starting point is 00:20:10 Every night to live in Dine LA. Tremendous movie. Listen, guys, Uncle Joey isn't a fucking joke thief. But if he hears something that's brilliant, he drops it. There's a scene again. John Tartour. John Tarturo. Is the smuggler for the money.
Starting point is 00:20:27 Who's this fucking printer? To live and die in L.A. To live and die in L.A. is one of the greatest fucking stories ever told that America. If they should remake a movie, that's a movie that needs to be right. The only problem is they'll fuck it up. They'll fuck it up like they fucked up the mechanic. They took away the patois from the mechanic.
Starting point is 00:20:46 Charles Bronson was a 51-year-old hit, man. That was the patois. There was nothing to blow up. He was killing you the old-fashioned way. He would go in your files and see if you had a heart problem. And then he'd light the house on fire, so you had to run out in the middle of the night. You'd die of a heart attack.
Starting point is 00:21:02 Stupid shit. You understand me? They fucked it up. But to live and die in LA is about counterfeiting. You ever see a movie about counterfeeling, No. Never. They don't even make them
Starting point is 00:21:10 because the government don't have a fucking shit. But these motherfuckers put together a movie with who's the printer? Willem Defoe. Willem Defoe. And the guy from CSI,
Starting point is 00:21:20 the original guy, is the cop. And he's amazing. And he was also in the first Hannibal Lecter film called Manhunt. Manhunter. And he's also
Starting point is 00:21:28 in Thief with James Kahn at the bar. He's the one that grabs James Kahn and James Kahn shows him his gun and he backs off. Who do you fucking think of dealing? It's probably the most
Starting point is 00:21:37 bull-legged actor in Hollywood. The bow-legged motherfucker. And to live and die in LA, he's very bold-legged. He's fast as shit. It's about counterfeiting. Fucking tremendous. The music is tremendous.
Starting point is 00:21:49 And it's sexy, too. Sexy is shit. I'm telling you, it's been on... I don't know what station it's been on. Me and my wife watch it, and I taped it and watched it one night, and I go, how many times am I going to watch it? Just do a search, everybody. Do a search and watch this movie.
Starting point is 00:22:02 John Tatour, when he comes to visit him in jail, as he's leaving, he goes, I'll get you, try to get John. He goes, yeah, yeah, yeah. hey, don't forget about me. That's why I get that line from me. He goes, don't forget about me. He goes, don't forget about me. He goes, I'm going to get you out yet,
Starting point is 00:22:16 and I promise not to come in your mouth. Fucking tremendous couple. John Tutor was another great one. And Willem Defoe. Menacing, menacing is a bad guy. Tremendous. So on the thing with Steve, though, aside from all his enjoyment of martial arts
Starting point is 00:22:30 and stuff like that, and that's partially the reason, partially the reason I got into Tonsuodeau, which was Chuck Norris's first fighting style out of the Air Force in Korea. was due to that, you know, the emphasis I got back then, because Tang Sudot was a big thing back in Malibu. There was a lot of martial arts back in Malibu.
Starting point is 00:22:46 What we did was surf, do martial arts, bar, and fight. You know, we had a great time. And another F word that I don't want to say. I'll let you say it. Fuck. Yeah. So Steve had tons of motorcycles and cars and blow you away. And when he passed away, the family, Chad,
Starting point is 00:23:04 they sold it off to pay a lot of the estate taxes. And talking when he hit an airplane hanger in San Francisco. Nepal with over 100 motorcycles to double-winged airplanes, toys and artifacts. I'm a big collector of memorabilia. Toys and artifacts from Buck Rogers, you name it. Anyway, they sold off a bunch. They got like $15 million back then. Now they're selling his stuff, and it's going for ridiculous prices.
Starting point is 00:23:24 In the movie he made, the race movie, it's escaping my mind right now. La Laman. Yeah, La Man, which he put a lot of his own money into it almost broke him. But the fire suit he wore underneath the racing suit, just sold for. $800,000. The watch he wore, which a tag Hoyer, just sold for $850,000. Right now, they're selling his 1967 Ferrari 275 GTV. They expect to go for $8,000, $12 million because it belonged to him. They just sold another Ferrari that sold for $6 or $7 million. The actual value on the Ferrari was only around two, give or take, but because it belonged to Steve McQueen and the provenance
Starting point is 00:24:00 that went with it, it's going for ridiculous money. His glasses in the Thomas Crown Affair, the blue Persols that he wore, which Persol made a Steve McQueen model of. You can buy. buying the Purcell Star today. Damn! So for $35,000 in a recent auction, right, here in L.A., it wasn't by Chad. It was by his ex-wife who put up the stuff named Barbara Minty, the last wife he was with when he passed away. But nobody knows this.
Starting point is 00:24:23 I know this. And Chad knows this. When you walked in his house, there was a wicker basket beside the front door. There were 12 pairs of sunglasses. They were all the same in there. So they were not the original glasses that were in the Thomas Ground Affair, as far as Chad and I can figure out. But somebody still paid $35,000 for the sunglasses.
Starting point is 00:24:39 is because he wore him. It's crazy. So, you know, it's just amazing. You know, memorabilia is a big thing. Nobody in this country really right now remember Steve McQueen. If you're 40 and under. And they give him the respect.
Starting point is 00:24:51 Unless you're a fucking movie buff, we're a tough guy buff. And when I came from Cuba, it was, you know, it was Charles Bronson, Steve McQueen, and James Colburn. Clint Eastwood was starting to bust in the scene, but those are the first three gangsters I remember.
Starting point is 00:25:06 I remember the Velocci papers? Mm-hmm. That's the first Charles Bronzen. I saw right away Death Wish. Then he started, you know, after that. Remember one of his first films was Vincent Price called House of Wax? I don't remember that. House of Wax. I don't remember that. They re-made it, but it was the original.
Starting point is 00:25:20 And then... Look who died last week? One of the greats, James Garner. James Garner, yeah. Fabulous actor. What was the show he had? Rockford Files. No, before that. He had his show. Oh, shit. Which one? That Bruce Lee appeared on. How's that one for you? Yeah, yeah. That was
Starting point is 00:25:36 Bruce Lee's first TV appearance? Yes, it was. See? Who the fuck you think you're dealing with here. tied to IMDB, Bruce Lee. Bruce Lee's first fucking TV appearance. It's funny if you know anything about that, there's a bookout that I probably work. Conflict?
Starting point is 00:25:51 Cheyenne? No. Sugarfoot? No, TV, not film. Angel, yeah, I'm looking at TV series. Maverick? No. What year was do you think? Right after Maverick. You'd probably be better looking at Bruce Lee's, IMDB. Nichols? No. Okay, I look at Bruce Lee's.
Starting point is 00:26:07 There's a bookout. I read it in Boulder. In 1986, I read it in Boulder before I got locked up. It was a book. It was basically about Bruce Lee but it described the chapter about Steve McQueen
Starting point is 00:26:22 and Bruce Lee's relationship. I'm 51 years old. You know, and about a year ago, I joined Jiu-Jitsu. I've been kickboxing and karate all my life and all that shit. And one last year I said, that's it. I'm sick of striking.
Starting point is 00:26:36 I want to do something different. If I'm going to stand up, I want to start, thinking. From the videos, I see a Jiu-Jitsu, you got to, and I hang around great Jiu-Jitsu guys. Yeah. And it took me all these years to finally go in, and I love it. And I'm
Starting point is 00:26:49 pissed now that I didn't get into it when I was 21. I'm pissed, too, because it was all about... It was all about being Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris when I was a kid. Listen, when I came from Cuba, there's a what's happening on an R-I thing where I talk about, you know, before when I was a kid, Chinese people walked around with their head down,
Starting point is 00:27:04 Bruce Lee came along. He was the sponsor for all immigrants. And I an immigrant. So now we had a fucking spokesman. When Bruce Lee came into the fucking thing, this was not a white dude anymore. This was a Chinese dude. I was Cuban. I qualified. Cuban, Chinese were immigrants. Something about Bruce Lee gave us hope, gave me hope as a kid. And so I read everything about until this day, I'm a big Bruce Lee guy. But one of the things that said that, you know, at the end of the day, Steve McQueen loved Bruce Lee for what he stood for. He wanted to be Bruce Lee. And Bruce Lee wanted to be Steve.
Starting point is 00:27:39 McQueen. He had what they each had what they really wanted deep inside. Like to Steve McQueen, when you're an actor of that level, you're like, don't go see that fucking movie. They know at what point they're like, it's all over. I'm just doing it now for a paycheck. But, you know, at
Starting point is 00:27:55 that point, that's what, the martial arts was kind of keeping him alive. If you watch, they say that people who really knew, they say that McQueen really walked Bruce Lee through the Chinese connection. Well, his advice to Bruce Lee was the same as what he used to give Chuck Norris was that, you know, acting is all about, it's not what you say.
Starting point is 00:28:16 It's the face. It's the reactions. It's, you know, if you look at Steve McQueen and every film he made, even down to when he was with Ewell Brinner and the Magnificent, and they're on top of the stage coach as they're riding up to Boot Hill, you know, when he was riding shotgun. And Brinner's talking, and Steve's like shaking shotgun shelves and putting him in, doing everything to steal the scene. He used to drive Beul Brinner crazy, right? But he was really big on that. It wasn't all about how much dialogue I got. It's how much I can get across my face in my movements, you know?
Starting point is 00:28:45 I did Arles with James Gulliver. I love that show. And he was telling stories about when he was in Magnificent Seven, how they hated Yulbrenner. Everybody did. The deal was to steal the movie from Yulbrenner. There you go. Who the fuck was this fucking dude who danced with pants on
Starting point is 00:29:04 to come from some foreign country and steal this movie from us? So they all got together. So I guess they put them up in a hotel somewhere in Santa Monica Boulevard by in West Hollywood. And McQueen, Coburn, and George C. Scott was a booze. He wasn't in the movie. But he was there with them.
Starting point is 00:29:24 We'd get Hammond and they call you'll bring his room all night. You fucking dancing and hang up on him and shit. And the next day he'd come on and said, somebody kept fucking calling my room all night, you know, because they didn't want him to steal the movie, you know. I love all those old-time stories. Well, you know, I love the old-time stories because I love the old-time actors. I mean, today, Hollywood, I mean, you got idiots, excuse me, you know, sex tape and a fat ass like Kim Kardashian that become famous.
Starting point is 00:29:51 I mean, I'm in a talent. You know, and in those days, people train and in the Hollywood machine when you work for a studio. You did everything. You learned how to dance. You learned how to sing. You learned how to act. You did everything, you know, and it was a machine that built movie stars. Today, people become famous on TV for nothing, you know.
Starting point is 00:30:08 they equate themselves to major stars. I don't, personally. But like yourself, you've met a lot of actors, and you work around a lot of actors. You probably know the first rule is, you don't always believe what you see on screen. Right. You know, it's not the...
Starting point is 00:30:21 I'm trying to say it in a nice way. But McQueen was... You know, what McQueen really changed was the Thomas Crown Affair? That was a true acting performance of him to dress up like that and to do all that stuff. Otherwise, he hung out with stuntmen. He rode motorcycles every friggin' day. He couldn't stand the whole Hollywood lifestyle, you know, beyond the women.
Starting point is 00:30:41 And he's just a real guy, you know, which I respect. Wow, fucking Malibu. The fuck, but you don't even know who Steve McQueen is. I know who he is. You ever see Papi Hunt? No. Well, I can know who he is. I haven't seen everything.
Starting point is 00:30:55 You ever see Bullet? No, which created the greatest. Wait. That created all the car chase scenes in film. I saw the chase from Ballad. We didn't watch the movie. Here's a thing for you, Joey. The jacket that he wears in the poster for him.
Starting point is 00:31:07 bullet, which was the basic tweed sport coat, right? It's valued at $800,000. Chad has it. They put it up for auction. The bidding went up to $720,000. It didn't meet the reserve, so it didn't sell. But somebody bid up to $720,000 for a sports coat because Steve wore. Steve gave me one of his sports coats when I was a kid. I threw it away. I'm ready to go but a Bing. It's like, what did I do that for? But it wasn't in a movie, but, you know, I have a poster of the Thomas Crown affair that they gave me that hung in his house that I still have hanging in my house. You know, that's going nowhere. And you remember the kissing scene with Faye Dunaway in the Thomas Crown Affair?
Starting point is 00:31:46 Yes, yes. The 360-degree angle camera angle they used, which think about what he created. I mean, okay, Travolta got Western dancing off the ground and disco dancing out the ground. McQueen, that screen kiss changed screen kissing. Kissing became different after that. The car chase scene and bullet changed the way car chase scenes were made after that. You know, then it went on to the French connection, which took it to another level, and then another level, you know, and now we have Passive Furious and TGI changing everything, which I am and I'm not a fan of.
Starting point is 00:32:15 It's amazing how the French connection was my first taste of real movie. Gritty. And the only reason, like, I fought Toot and Nail, I was going to go watch that. And I was maybe six when that movie came out. And the commercial was the French Connection filmed in New York where it happened. and they'd show the guy getting shot at the subway falling backwards. That scene like he goes backwards.
Starting point is 00:32:42 You're fucking, you're like, mom, fuck the love bug, bitch. Remember the love bug was big in 69 and Jan Michael Vincent made a movie. I remember going to see that the strongest man in the world. Can I tell you? Come on now.
Starting point is 00:32:55 Can I give it to you? Drop it on me, baby. Jam Michael Vincent married my high school best friend. He's one talking about it. Jan Michael Vincent, he's another one. I tell you, everybody lived in frigging Malibu back then. He lived up the street and Jan Michael Vincent, I would party on a Friday night.
Starting point is 00:33:09 The poor guy had a real serious issues. I would go into back the next day on Saturday night, rather, the next day for brunch. And I remember one day, and this really struck me that he had an issue, was he was still head down on the bar. They let him sleep there from the point that they closed it, you know? He just, he was partied like crazy. If any, he was, he was Brad Pitt back in the States. He was Brad Pitt.
Starting point is 00:33:29 If you go right now and look up Jan Michael Vincent, Syrac, Because, 1973, you're going to see one of the most remarkable faces to ever hit the screen. Women loved him. When he fucking came on, the Disney movie, The World Strongest Man. I remember how to be like in the first grade, and little girls were fainting in the fucking movie theater. Then he did the mechanic. Yep. Then he did a great movie that nobody ever, it was called Defiance.
Starting point is 00:33:56 He played the Marine. The New York City. Oh, in the street protecting. Yes. He was a yellow. He was a boat worker. A boat worker. And Paulie from the Sopranos.
Starting point is 00:34:06 Right. That's a great cast. Great cast. If you look at that movie, you're like, what the fuck? The guy that played the gang leader in that movie is brilliant. The Puerto Rican gang movie is perfect. Yes, his tattoo was Jesus's thorn around his head. And the guy popped up years later in the Sean Penn movie of the gang movie.
Starting point is 00:34:30 The State of Grace. No, the other one. gang movie from LA with the rap music 1987, 88. Oh, what was the name of that film? Jeez. You know,
Starting point is 00:34:39 Sean Penn fucking rapper about gang life and stuff like that, that movie. Were he was an LAPD officer with Robert DeValle? Yes,
Starting point is 00:34:48 yes, yes. He popped up in that. He played like a death sergeant that bust Duval and his balls. Brilliant. I mean, this is, Jan Michael Vincent could have been...
Starting point is 00:34:59 Not colors, right? Is that it? Colors, yeah. Colors, yeah, that was it. Callos. Jam Michael Vinson was on his way to being the biggest thing in Hollywood. Hollywood. He screwed himself, as we've seen, happen to many, many actors in Hollywood.
Starting point is 00:35:09 And when Bucce was my neighbor, I was friends with John Millius, the director, for a lot of years. And he made a film called Big Wednesday, which was a surf film, Bucie, Jam Michael Vinson, William Cat, a whole selection of actors. I mean, he was on his way. And then it just, he had an accident. After Chad's dad, Steve died, Chad started. producing some movies later on, and they hired Jan for one of these B movies, and right before the movie started, he had an accident and went through the windshield, and it totally ruined his
Starting point is 00:35:42 face. Remember how handsome he was? I mean, he was like Frank. And he was on a TV show at the time. Airwolf, yeah. Airwolf, yeah. Which he told me, he said he hated doing, he said he loved Airwolf because of the money, but it was the hardest acting work he ever did because TV kept him on the set for like 16 hours a day, you know, doing this movie. He liked doing the TV show. He liked the hours the film better than the rigorous schedule of making a TV show, but he made bank out of that show. That was a very popular show for a while.
Starting point is 00:36:08 He was on for a while. And then he disappeared and years later, they did like a behind the, whatever, music type show. What was that show? I don't know. If you had a bad fucking career. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I forget. I know what happened to them and I watched it and I was, I was crying.
Starting point is 00:36:24 He did a movie where he played like a beach kid, not Blue Lagoon. One of his younger movies? Yes, he played something. Jan Michael Vincent was in a film, and he played like a kid by the beach with some other girl. Wasn't it with like dream sequences or something?
Starting point is 00:36:39 Something fucking weird. What year do you think it was? It was before the mechanic. So Jan Michael Vincent, just press up the IMDB. It was before the... Sandcastles? There you go.
Starting point is 00:36:51 Something, Sancastles. That was the one that saw them. But then he did the mechanic. He also got in trouble with domestic abuse. I told you about. He was accused of whacking her around pretty hard. Then another path that you and I
Starting point is 00:37:06 have crossed together is I go to Colorado. I go to Colorado Mountain College. They offer all these degree classes, but they also want you to take two who got's classes. I don't know what they call them. Electives? Electives, electives, yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:22 And one of the electives was Sue Bogdo, which is the cousin to Tang Sudo. It was Chuck Norris's Tang Sudeau. It was Chuck Norris's Tang Sudo before Chuck Norris left it. Really? And that's what they sell it.
Starting point is 00:37:34 That's Sue Bokdo. In fact, one of the biggest schools is on sunset. You know, Sue Bogdo attendance is dropped. Of course. You know, so. I think all traditional martial arts. So they put a combative school in there now, Jiu-Jitsu and Gracie combative.
Starting point is 00:37:48 And because of that, they're doing at least a little better, you know? Yeah, you got to make... I mean, I love my experience in Tonguedo, and I've got a second-degree blackballed in it, but my want was in my early 20, the dojo sparring and everything was just just boring. It wasn't doing anything for me. And I enjoyed fighting when it happened, and I don't know why.
Starting point is 00:38:09 I wanted to kickboxing because, you know, when you're sparring kickboxing, you're getting whacked or you get to whack the guy. And, you know, it was a lot more fun. And I just got heavily into kickboxing and got out of the traditional martial arts. But I have tremendous respect for all traditional martial arts. And I think for young kids, it teaches them discipline. And, you know, and hopefully it teaches them discipline in this day and age. So, you know, I respect all martial arts.
Starting point is 00:38:30 It's a matter of choice. When I went back on my comeback trail in 2007 and tried to get clean from everything, that's what I did. Can you turn on the air? Yeah, I got back into martial arts again because I thought about, you know, where I was before my mother passed, and when I started fucking up is when I quit martial arts.
Starting point is 00:38:52 You know, I was involved in martial arts from the age of six to the age of 15. Cool. What was your style back then? What's your style? Gushin Roo Karate. Oh, the Okinawan Karate. You know, it was all the same.
Starting point is 00:39:04 It was when I first signed up in New York City, it was Goju Karate. The black guys. The tough black guys from 90s to the West Side. They were tough. And then when I moved to Jersey, I liked the karate. I liked the forms. I always went to the competitions in New York. Were you doing Kata competitions?
Starting point is 00:39:21 In those days, there wasn't no punching in the face or below the waist. It was semi. contact. So you had a wear-ahead thing and you had a kick with those things on your feet. This is what I did from, I did that from probably the age of eight till about 14. I did that point type shit, Aaron Banks. Well, that actually works out in my thing too because I'm 57. I'm six years older than you. And if you did that at like 12, you know, I think I competed in the internationals when I was here in L.A. at the Long Beach when I was 17. I think Joe actually, Rogan actually won the internationals.
Starting point is 00:39:58 Probably. He did all that stuff. Yeah, I know, because he's going to grand-backer. But, yeah, I didn't get, I didn't never even, I never, I went to the local ones on Saturdays and Sundays. You did, you fought on Saturdays and you did form on Sundays, and you waited for a trophy, and you went home, and you went and got Chinese food, or you went and watched a Bruce Lee movie. But it didn't, those kids didn't get high. Those kids didn't have a bad thought. those kids' lives were and it was the weird thing
Starting point is 00:40:28 was we get together and it was like eight of us but us three went to the same school the kid from down the block went to judo the other kid went to Taekwondo nobody was in Jiu Jitsu then Jiu Jitsu wasn't even here yet I know no Jiu Jitsu wasn't even here I dabbled in it but that was a dabble
Starting point is 00:40:47 Like I remember Savat was in the Bronx like you had to go to the Bronx to learn motherfucking Savart and shit we'll be kicking like French motherfuck French martial arts in the Bronx In the Bronx when I was a kid Like you had to drive to places like that But beside that there was nothing
Starting point is 00:41:03 So all of us would get together And we teach each other things So let's say you went to Fujiao Pi Kung Fu You teach me a form And then I teach you a form A green belt form from Mike karate school And then he teaches something from me You know and it was just kids
Starting point is 00:41:18 But once I got out of that circle It was when I started fucking up It's my fucking point All right, what do you take a minute? Basically, that kept you straight, and then you got sidewise. And when I wanted to get straight again, I joined a Kung Fu School on Vermont. And I would go Tuesdays and Thursdays, and I'd have to kick and do forms. And it got my mindset of being around people that don't give a fuck that I do comedy.
Starting point is 00:41:43 They don't give a fuck that I've been in a movie. Right, right. These people are worried about making rent. They just barely could pay that place. You know, so when they go, they're not there to talk or socialize. They go to do their kung fu and get the fuck out. That's the way it should be. That's the way it should be.
Starting point is 00:41:57 It's pretty interesting. The different, but that, it always kept me straight. Like I said, I went to J-Jitsu Tuesday and I went to J-J-Too today. And I had a great time. I'm improving, you know. Joey, I've seen a big change in you, and I told you that. I mean, you look great. You know, I'm so happy for that.
Starting point is 00:42:13 Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. But you know, no matter how many different styles you train in martial arts, and I've trained in a number of different styles. I mean, as far as, you know, seeing what they're like you say, I call it dabbling. is what I call it. Fights come down to one thing.
Starting point is 00:42:26 Just punch the guy right between the eyes. Just punch him right between the eyes and keep punching and keep punching and keep punching. Don't get too fancy. It's all simple. That's what I don't want to do. Punch somebody between the eyes. That's why I eat pot cookies
Starting point is 00:42:39 and give me fucking movie bears and shit. It's amazing, you know. I don't go around punching people, Joy. I'm just saying if somebody picks on you or, did you see that video this week that was released of the guy in the convenience store? The Indian fella I think it was from, that fought MMA and they, did you see this thing?
Starting point is 00:42:55 I heard something about a gas station guy. Unbelievable. These three guys come up to steal the money bag that they're either delivering or whatever. It's his buddy. And the outside camera caught it. He runs out and just straight leg drop kicks this guy and, you know, puts the knuckles to him. And then to his other friend, it was street justice. I'm just like this.
Starting point is 00:43:15 I'm just like, yeah, I wish that would happen every day. That's the problem. Everybody got a motherfucking camera. So even after you go home And you're sleeping And you think you did your deed as an American Well, you got to live for it It's going to live on after that
Starting point is 00:43:28 They're going to come fucking get you They're not going to come get this guy This guy should get the key to the city I'll give you an instance of where something happened While we're on the subject of street justice I got it right here Nowadays something like that happens A week later the DA
Starting point is 00:43:41 Oh by the way we have to press charges on you For minor assault Because the guy ended up in the fucking hospital And you're like Well didn't the fighter just get off because like some guy, some people broke into a fighter's house and they shot him or something, but it ended up being in self-defense, like last week. Did he get off?
Starting point is 00:43:59 Is it still pending or did he get off? I think they dismissed the case. Let me see if I could find it. They had another incident with an 80-year-old man. That's what I was looking for here. I read about it this morning. He had been robbed in his house before, and he came home and found this guy and this girl trying to pry open the safe in his house.
Starting point is 00:44:14 They jumped on him. They broke his collarbone and they knocked him to the ground. The 80-year-old guy had the wherewithal. to reach for his 22. It was only 22. And he shot the guy in the back. He shot at the guy. They ran out of the house.
Starting point is 00:44:29 He was so pissed because they broke his collarbone. They beat him up. They're trying to rob him. He ran out into the street after them. That's like an 80-year-old man, okay? Ran out into the street after him. Shot the guy in the back. The girl falls to the ground.
Starting point is 00:44:40 She pleads for him not to shoot her. He says, I'm pregnant. I'm pregnant. She wasn't pregnant. He shoots her, right? He kills him both. Now he's going to be arrested. Probably go to jail for the rest of his life.
Starting point is 00:44:49 but he was wrong. As soon as they ran out of the house, you can't do anything. He can't do anything. This guy, four people broke into his house, he stabbed one guy and killed him, and then beat the other guys so badly. The other two guys ran away.
Starting point is 00:45:01 So he didn't shoot him. He stabbed. I love it. Listen, man, you always, number one rule, you want to fuck somebody up, invite him all for dinner. That's the way.
Starting point is 00:45:11 You want to fuck somebody's world up. You invite him all for dinner. That's the old carmine the torchway. That's old school. And that's what, when you want to win a one, get away with murder, fucking put a string of 20s
Starting point is 00:45:23 going right to your door and shit and just sit there with a BB gun and a fucking bazooka. I mean, that's how you can shoot somebody. If you really want to shoot somebody, that's the way to shoot somebody. Just put like 820s leading up to your house, leave the door open and just sit there
Starting point is 00:45:36 with a fucking submachine gun and shit. Are you for capital punishment? Am I for capital punishment? I know this is a very sketchy subject, but while we're on the subject, to revenge. It's hard when part of me thinks, like, yes, like, sometimes
Starting point is 00:45:56 it would, but then, like, could you push the button? That's where, like, oh, that's a hard decision. Last week or two weeks ago, they tried to ice somebody, and it took eight hours. His eyeball popped. Or something like that. That's new, but yeah. That's all new, but it happens once a fucking month. We just don't hear about it. Listen, man, I'm from the two sides of the fence. If you fuck up and there's a state law,
Starting point is 00:46:23 that says you got to go if you do one of those fucking things you got to go if you really think about it you're not really going to go it's going to take 18 years before you fucking go we're taxpayers are paying 45,000 you're keeping these guys alive for me to say am I in favor
Starting point is 00:46:39 capital punishment listen man I'm sitting here you're telling me that story about that old fucking man and I'm thinking about him and I'm thinking about what he's going through but I'm also thinking about the time I drove Dave Black and I was in the car and he went in and fucking, you know, shook somebody down.
Starting point is 00:46:54 And all of a sudden, he's like, run. And I'm driving, and he's running up to the car because the guy's going to get a fucking gun and shoot him. I've been in those situations. I couldn't have been here right now. Like, I'm not one of those guys just, I'm so lucky to be here. No. But I know that situation.
Starting point is 00:47:09 So for me to say, should he get shot or not? I'm a fucking hypocrite one way or another, you know? And that thing with the, what I was saying was, is, like, they outlawed the old system for, like, the chemicals to put people asleep. So, like, for the past two or three months, they've been trying new ones, and it's not working. What if I happen? Just... Not to interrupt your buff. No, it's okay.
Starting point is 00:47:29 What about a cigarette and you fucking shoot him? What do you want to eat, dog? What are you talking about? Listen, it's all over. What do you want to eat tomorrow? I don't know. I think a little differently. I think if somebody murdered and raped, you know, someone's daughter, that the punishment should be to have three of the selected family members with baseball in a small room that's going to happen. In a real fucking world. Yeah, in the real world. But that's not going to happen because we have Gentiles, and they save whales
Starting point is 00:47:52 and they're out there fucking swimming saving the clam you know save the mouse program and all that shit so you have these people that they get light so you can't
Starting point is 00:48:04 in a real world I would love to be a prison guard and somebody did something to somebody's child and for me to go Lee come on down bring the fucking baseball bat in the fucking fishing pole
Starting point is 00:48:15 you're going up his asshole you know I wish how many people really would right How many people would... A fraction of the ones that say they would. I know for a fact, man, when I was 21, there was 18 people I wanted to kill him,
Starting point is 00:48:29 and I had no reason to live, and I had access to weapons, and I wanted to kill these people. And after a while, I would look at these people for what they really were, even at my young age, and I would say, why would I want to kill them? They're already fucking dead. They're already fucking dead.
Starting point is 00:48:45 Some of these people walking around that did you wrong, or they just done people wrong, they're already dead they don't even know they know they're walking dead you don't know it you think like oh look at him he's having a fucking good time Donald Sterling's been dead for 20 fucking years he's just got 20 fucking hundred million
Starting point is 00:49:01 dollars holding them up you know just whenever I think about it because it's it's a hard question but like every once in a while they'll have something where this guy went to jail for 18 years and gets out because he didn't do it just happened the other week like you spent like a year
Starting point is 00:49:17 or something in jail right like how long is a year to think about doing 18 years when you didn't do it? And then like, like you guys said, if someone, if someone hurt my mom in any way, I'd want him dead in a second. But then what if it's that 1% that didn't do it? And it's just, it's, uh, well, you know, that's, that's always a question, not always a question, but it's a question that comes up. But, uh, listen, if they can let O.J. Simpson off when I know for a fact, because of the fact
Starting point is 00:49:47 I know the third prosecutor on the team there, and they didn't allow so much evidence in. I mean, come on, does anybody believe that O.J. Simpson is innocent anymore? Did you believe it? After he got off, after he got off, the families wanted him dead, and you could see that he was dead already. You could see him, even when he won, and he cried in the church, and they went home and had the party.
Starting point is 00:50:10 He was walking dead, and he was so dead, and he went six years later, eight years later, committed a kidnapping. a fucking hotel. Oh, with the memorabilia thing. Yeah, with the memorabilia thing. And he wrote a book saying, if I had done it. If I had done it.
Starting point is 00:50:24 Yeah, but has anybody ever read that book? I think they might have not put it out. I think they were saying it's going to come out. And they got such a bad press. They haven't. They revamped. He was trying to make money and pay back his fucking defense. Everybody knows he did it.
Starting point is 00:50:37 And he got away with it. But he got away with what? What did he get away with at the end of the fucking week? You don't get away with nothing. I'm telling you right now. You don't get away with fucking nothing. You know what, man? Fucking John Gotti died of throat cancer.
Starting point is 00:50:51 Sammy the Bull Garvano. You know what Sammy the Bull is? Under the jail in Colorado. He's got a condition from steroids and shit that he shakes. Is he still alive? He's still alive, and his hair and his teeth fall out of his fucking mouth. These people are alive, but they're dead. This guy that beat everybody, the stockbroker, and that's in jail, and he's in federal jail.
Starting point is 00:51:10 Oh, uh, Maluf? Maloof. Maloof. That guy's dead. He's just in. Or Madoff. Madoff is in a fucking jail. And he may have lunch money or whatever,
Starting point is 00:51:20 but when he closes that cell at night, he knows he's fucking dead. How do I know that? Because at one time I was dead. At one time I was dead. That's why, am I for capital punishment? What if the night I went to get, Ken Vela, as I was moving him with the gun in my hand,
Starting point is 00:51:34 as dumb as I am, I went for the fucking gun, the gun would have blown his fucking head off? Where would I be right now? They would have probably fucking, it's kidnapping, kidnapping too, and murder. That's fucking capital punishment. So right now I probably start. still be waiting to get fucking shot in the fucking head with a cigarette in my mouth of the
Starting point is 00:51:52 chicken parmesan in my fucking stomach, all right? Better check the statute of limitations in some of these stories you're telling you. No, I went to jail for Canvela. I did time for Camp Bella. But even then, I remember being in a conversation with my attorney and the district attorney and the chick, and they're saying all this shit. And they said something that brought light to my life, that always brought light to my life. they in the meeting, they said the reason Mr. Diaz has to go to prison is because what if?
Starting point is 00:52:23 Really? What if? Wow. Interesting. What if he would have been dragging him and the gun would have went off? What if he would have been dragging him and the gun would have went off and shot the other guy or shot himself? There was a potential for violence. When there's a potential for violence, you're going to fucking jail. How many years are they going to do?
Starting point is 00:52:40 They gave me four to six with a reconsideration after 90 days. I ended up doing eight months, nine months, 12 months, but I was dead. That's eight, nine, 12 months more than I ever care ever, ever did. Two months in county, a Christmas, a New Year's, a birthday. Trust me. And it's not you who suffers, it's the people have to come fucking get you. You think Sandusky's in the federal jail having a good time right now? He's in a closet fucking crying.
Starting point is 00:53:09 He knows black people out to fucking stabbing the neck with a Motown sound. album and he's missing fucking little kids at the same time. He's a dead man. He's dead inside. So don't ever think that these people are fucking alive and having a good time. When you say dead, do you mean like they feel bad? Or is it, could you not even, could you be dead inside or not even feel bad? Because like, what's his name? O.J. Simpson, to me, doesn't seem like he's remorseful.
Starting point is 00:53:33 Oh, as soon as he won, every picture they took O.J., he was dead. But that's dead inside. He doesn't mean remorseful. It doesn't seem like he feels bad. No, no. He never was remorseful. Yes, he was remorseful. remorseful. He killed the best piece of pussy in Malibu. That was, that chick
Starting point is 00:53:47 would lick your asshole, and she loved black cock, and, you know, she loved that fucking you-hook on her tithes, and, you know, what the fuck? Did you find this out on IMB? It's a 200 fucking episode. It's on her Wikipedia.
Starting point is 00:54:05 What the fuck? You know, so, I mean, that is one of the worst things of all time, that whole murder and how it went down, and how they found the fingerprint, but it rained after the murder, so the fingerprint became a partial fingerprint. They did so much, listen, man,
Starting point is 00:54:22 it was such a complicated murder. There was so much blood involved. How long ago was this? O.J. Simpson. Oh, you're talking about O.J. Not me. I was like, oh, no. I was like, oh, no. You know, and the OJ thing,
Starting point is 00:54:33 my business partner's brother was the third or fourth in the prosecution team. Hank Goldberg is his name. And, you know, when you think about it, like the bit with the glove, you know, the glove had blood. It was wet. I mean, take a leather glove, pour water over it right now, let it dry overnight. Let me see you put on that glove tomorrow morning. You're going to be able to stick your fingers in that glove? No, no. It's just ridiculous. They had the blood in his bronco. She was
Starting point is 00:54:57 sliced all the way down to where her neck was, it was through the vertebrae, was hanging on by tendons and a little bit of bone. That's called crime of passion, passion, you know? And I've heard this from, I used to play poker with the police chief from Culver City, and he was telling me all this stuff. It's like, how did this guy get off? I just can't believe it. And then there was a lady who saw the truck speed off, but she sold the story to the inquire or somebody
Starting point is 00:55:23 so that made her story null and fucking void. So they got away with, but in the reality, if you've ever been convicted of anything or ever been on to court in reality, all OJ did was he put together the Yankees against like a triple-A fucking
Starting point is 00:55:40 you follow me? In your opinion for most stuff, I mean, of course it's stuff you just can't but for most crimes if you just throw money at it are you going to get off or get maybe maybe going to get off but you're going to get a less it instead of getting 30 years you're going to do six at a country club that's so fucked up they're going to tailor it so it's non-violent because they didn't find your fingerprint and you're sitting there going through this but it's a DA he's arguing your attorney you know for your attorney to argue he's got to get a they have to get up people who go out and investigate investigators and they investigate what's
Starting point is 00:56:15 going on precisely to the fucking because they can't attack that shit like with me when I sat with my attorney I got convicted of I got accused of kidnapping one two aggravated burglary assault to something
Starting point is 00:56:31 and accessory to a crime something fucking crazy I convicted of five felonies four of them were heavy duty right but they couldn't they didn't find my fingerprints on the fucking on the on the handcuffs,
Starting point is 00:56:46 so they never found my fingerprints on the weapon. Then they did a background search. And I had been involved in a few fights, but it could never escalate from a few fights to a machine gun. Right. So my attorney told me, you're doing time. You're doing time. How much time?
Starting point is 00:57:05 That's the question. The question, yeah. They want to give you nine fucking years. I'm going to try to get you full, all right, with what you went to high school you got your degree all this shit how did you feel at that moment when he said that to you
Starting point is 00:57:20 when he said it was evident when he laid it out for Joe you're going to jail you're going to go to jail for however you put it six years and try to get a how did you feel at that moment knowing that the reality is besides the reality you're already experiencing the reality of your future is hitting you right now I was 25 years old
Starting point is 00:57:36 and if I'm sitting here lying to you and may God strike me I knew two years before that I was going away. I had to pay for my sins. For me to move on with my life, I had to pay for my sins. And I knew that in the back of my mind. This is all going to go down to what I get caught doing.
Starting point is 00:57:53 They had almost got me on the cocaine in 85. They almost had me with the... They almost had me on the... And then somewhere, I weave my way out of it. I left before they, you know, they were going to make multiple buys and then tie them in. They never
Starting point is 00:58:08 made the multiple buys. Whatever they did. They fucked up. But I knew I had to pay somewhere along the ride. I didn't know it was going to be for fucking kidnapping. They came in and said, you're looking at 48 fucking years. If you take this to try, you're going to get 20. 20. I'm 25.
Starting point is 00:58:25 And it's a violent crime. So that means you go in front of parole after 20, and they could still say no, he's not ready. Oh, I'm sorry. After like 15 years, you go in front of parole, don't make me do the full fucking 20. So I knew I was... I was dead,
Starting point is 00:58:41 Bruce. I understand what you're saying. I was dead, but I knew that this was my fate. Now I had options. I could go to Honduras and work at a Hertz. I could go to Mexico in those days. It was 85. I could slip into Mexico like nothing. Or I could do the time.
Starting point is 00:59:00 I could just do it. And I knew that I heard horror stories of people who run. I heard people who got away for 30 years, had a kid. We're church workers now, were volunteers at the hospital. And one night somebody got into a car accident, and they had to go to the hospital, and they did a background check, and they did a fingerprint when you're...
Starting point is 00:59:20 The dumbest fucking thing. Here you are, in the middle of your life, that shit's forgotten, and all of a sudden they're going to pinch you for something either dirty years fucking earlier. And you're waking up every day with that in your head. With that in your head? I said, no, I don't want that. So I got a...
Starting point is 00:59:35 I stalled them. I got a good attorney. I fired him. I got another attorney. I was hoping that the witness would disappear, and then finally they called and said it's over. The charade is over. You're going to fucking, you're pleading on June, and you're getting sentenced August 15th, 1988. And then, but in the back of my cocaine, addicted brain,
Starting point is 01:00:00 I was going to get away with this one because I had gotten away with all the others I had done. For years, everything, I was always one step ahead of them. So in my mind, the lucky angel was going to come through. You know, I'm Catholic, So in my mind, St. Francis of the Sissy was going to drop a note like he did for that. Well, how they did for him. And angels were going to appear in the courtroom.
Starting point is 01:00:19 And the judge was going to take a piece of paper from the air. It was going to say, let them go because Jesus said so, you know, some bullshit. And they called, this was the fucked up part, but that they called the Friday before when you're believing. So I want you to think about this. So it was August 12th. and they called it 905 to say, hey, community corrections turns you down. You got two options. Either the probation department picks you up or you're going to prison.
Starting point is 01:00:53 I'm going to be in my office until 10, and I'm going down to the foul emotion. And I was like, I had until 5 o'clock. Like, I knew that was it. We got to make a decision. I had to make a decision. So I did what any other good American do. I went and got a couple eight balls, and I just went straight until 5 o'clock. fucking Monday morning.
Starting point is 01:01:12 What a fucking shame. I probably slept three hours before I went to court. And I went with my cocaine mine, walked in there and said, I'm going to get away with that. I'm going to go up in front of this judge. Because you're fantasizing for two days. I was going to go up in front of this judge
Starting point is 01:01:28 and sweet talk to this motherfucker. I was going to chuck and John. How'd that work for you, Joey? Oh, my God. Let me tell you how much of a fucking, when they said, called my name, Jose Diaz, stand and he asked me what words I had to say my voice went my voice went I started squeaking
Starting point is 01:01:48 for years I had been talking chucking and jiving I can't imagine your voice going my fucking voice went guys my whole body shut down it was like a little squeak I got tears in my eyes I was dead now they took you to jail that day or they sent you oh my god so now you got something else to deal with you got to withdraw from not only the April as you played with that weekend, you've got to withdraw from your lifestyle. So now you're going to jail.
Starting point is 01:02:15 Now you don't have the recreational escapes. I mean, that's like how bad can it get? Hold on. That's a great word for drug use. If you know anything about Matt Flavor, you know, he had a little something in his suit. You know what I'm saying? You think you can walk in today and keep that going into jail? This is amazing.
Starting point is 01:02:33 This is Boulder County. Yeah. I never forget I had this suit on. This is a true story. I'm joking around me. This is a tremendously true story. I had bought the suit. And in those days, I used to hide my coke in my suits.
Starting point is 01:02:46 So after he sentenced me, I'm right. Where were you hiding? Like sew a pocket in or something? In my suit anywhere. Right. And this suit here where you put an envelope, I put a Coke in there, where you put the handkerchief. Right. And I just opened a closet and I had different shirts and I put coke in.
Starting point is 01:02:59 I bought the suit that I wore to that thing, like the Monday before. So I only had that suit a week. So I didn't know what was going on. I put it on the day I was getting sentenced. I go down there. They sentenced me. my family's in court. The girl I was dating, her family.
Starting point is 01:03:15 A couple friends from Jersey had flown out. And as I walked in, boom, I knew I was dead. That's it. I couldn't do nothing. I got four to six years. They would decide after my Dio's, my, after they analyze your fucking brain. They decide what kind of sentence. I fucking go back into the thing.
Starting point is 01:03:32 There's a camera in the fucking cell. I go back there. I have my suit on. I take the suit off. I had my shoes on. They didn't take my, uh, Laces? Laces out there, nothing. Maybe I didn't even have laces. I went back to have my shoes, and I folded my jacket, and I was
Starting point is 01:03:48 looking for, like, life savers I had. I go, oh, fuck, I got life. Because I know you ain't going to eat for a while. It was one-something, so I really missed lunch. So I know I had a long, I was going to have to get processed, and then go to county. I knew I was in there for eight, nine hours. And do you know I'm going through my pockets, and buff, I pull out of coke this fucking big. It had to be a gram and a half. Did you have anything to chop it? Oh, no, no, I just chopped it with my fucking hands. And I must have had like a dollar bill or something.
Starting point is 01:04:18 I rolled it up like I've been doing for years. And I did it all in one fucking gag-goop. That's called Jimmy. That's called the last hurrah. And I took that bindle and I flushed in that metal toilet and I rolled my dollar back up. And I sat there in County waiting. There was nobody in the cell with me.
Starting point is 01:04:34 And the next thing you know, they were going, Diaz, wake up. I had passed out for three hours. where after doing the cope, like the stress of me going away. It was over. It was overpowered the coat. And that's it.
Starting point is 01:04:46 They took me, and then I got processed. They fingerprinted you. They take your fucking suit. They give you an orange suit. They look in your asshole. You're peeing the cup. That was it. That was the beginning of the end.
Starting point is 01:04:57 It was really, and at that time, I thought my life was over. When did it start coming back together? Like, after you acclimated yourself for a number of number of months or after I was in there no you know I took the party right in there don't ever think that I was 25
Starting point is 01:05:16 you had to shoot me with a fucking bazoo yeah sure so I went right in there I held it together for a few weeks the only thing I didn't do in there was smoke pop but once I got into the system I didn't do blow and nothing like that I did acid there was a lot of acid and crank in there was a lot of
Starting point is 01:05:31 there was a white dude from Philly Clark was his name he was the candy man he was the speed guy he was the bike He was the biker fucking meth guy in those days. They didn't call it meth. They called it speed. That's it. I think those guys shot it.
Starting point is 01:05:48 I snorted it. But I only snorted like once or twice in there. It was really a different experience, which I've always closed. I've always held close to my heart. Like I said, never forget where you come from. Some people would put it away and not let people know. I always keep it in the side of my head
Starting point is 01:06:07 because it makes me think of how fast things happen in your life. You ever do any work relaying this to kids or relaying to like a scare straight type program? You ever do anything like that? To help, you know, help them scare them a little bit? I want to, but here's the deal. From the time I was 12 to the time I got put away, life was throwing me a scared straight. I didn't give a freshman's fuck. So I know when I talk to Lee
Starting point is 01:06:38 After I leave I know if Lee's a gangster And Lee's making You know If Lee right now in 2014 At the year Because Lee's 26 years old If Lee was making
Starting point is 01:06:49 4,000 a week to Lee And he was going out every night And drinking VIP In Vegas and shit 16 grand a month He'd be paying for his apartment And he'd blow the rest Lee would think he was Al Capone
Starting point is 01:07:03 Would he not? So when I leave leave the room, he'd say, he's an old fuck. He don't know nothing. He's a fucking loser, Joe Diaz. What the fuck does he know? We know. And people knew who gave me advice, but who the fuck were they to give me advice?
Starting point is 01:07:18 And I took some of it. I'm not going to lie to it. I took a lot of advice. I know when some people come up to you, you know, when I was a kid, somebody came up to me and said, give me a favor, don't go down and see-hawk and rob those motorcycles no more. Yeah, but... Don't go down there and rob motorcycles no more.
Starting point is 01:07:35 Okay, a week later, we went down and got motorcycles, and two of the kids got arrested. When I seen him the next day, he looked at me, he goes, didn't I tell you not to go down there and rob the motorcycle? Yeah, but you didn't say the cops are down there. I didn't have to tell you. I don't have to tell you shit. I'm telling you not to go down there. That's all you need to fuck enough.
Starting point is 01:07:51 Do you say ride the motorcycles or rob? Rob the motorcycles. Okay, I didn't get that at first. When we were kids, one of the trains went through that Seacawker's port. And they used to carry Honda motorcycles. not built you pull them right off the thing you pull them right off the train
Starting point is 01:08:08 you put them into the swamps and then later on you went six gorillas had to come back and carry them out of the swamps and you had to cut the bike in three ways you had to steal a couple bikes
Starting point is 01:08:17 you got a piece of a whole bike you know what I'm saying so you rebuilt the bikes or you sold them as it so you take them right to the fucking hounded dealership in those days in the 70s they didn't give a fuck
Starting point is 01:08:27 paperwork they typed that shit up and say that number didn't mean crap back nothing you bring it back to the Honda dealership? To the Honda dealership on the top of Kennedy Boulevard. And say we bought these? No, we're bringing these in.
Starting point is 01:08:39 What can we get for them? In the fucking crate. They don't win Kawasaki's. And then we got it. But our main money maker that you didn't even take back to the Honda dealer was the Honda mini trail. The mini bike. Oh my God.
Starting point is 01:08:52 You used to ride those like crazy when we were kids. You have no idea. Love that. No clutch. Three in the tree. Do they have anything like that anymore? One up and two down or three down. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:02 And you always had the fucking nerd. on the block that knew how to ramp the CCs up to 79 or 80 CCs. Are you fucking kidding me or what? With the little fat chubby tires and shit, we used to get those in a box. At one time, me, like eight guys,
Starting point is 01:09:17 they were a lot older. And the last time I went down, I got shot I got shot with a salt and pepper gun. Salt and pepper gun, they shot you and they blow up and then you start scratching for three days like a fucking, like some duty. You mean the box salt? The police officers used to shoot?
Starting point is 01:09:33 This is like, no, it wasn't the cops in those days. It was the Port Authority of Transit Police. That was their idea of a stun gun? Yeah, there was no bullets. They didn't have bullets. They had flashlights and the assault pepper gun. Next to the end of you're scratching like that Ebola and shit. You know what the fuck?
Starting point is 01:09:52 Who's got fucking Ebola anymore? The thing that, you know, before we fucking go off the track here, you know, I met you years ago and we always fly back together on Sunday. day and I always sit with you and we talk and we chit-chat and it's really weird that one of the things I love when you get to find things out about people and you always you know sometimes you meet people and I go by the way I'm having an art that you're a construction worker you know but I'm having an art display down at the gallery you're like get the fuck out of my face but one day you hit me with your hobby and there is no hobby that I love more that I'm scared to pursue
Starting point is 01:10:31 than the art of poker. The art of poker to me is something that there's few things that I would like to be. Yeah, I like to be Joe Lozahn, but I also like to be fucking a poker player to live that lifestyle. You know, I wish that life would say,
Starting point is 01:10:50 you're going to grow up to be 85 years old. What do you want to do? And you're like, well, I won't be a comedian until I'm about 38. And then from 38 to 51, I want to be a jiu-jitsu star. I want to fly all over the world. After that, I just want to be a poker guy,
Starting point is 01:11:05 where I live with sunglasses on, and I go from, you know, casino to casino all over the fucking world and play poker. I go from city to city doing comedy. Those guys, real, those real fucking gangsters with the glasses and they're eccentric because they're all very eccentric. They travel.
Starting point is 01:11:24 You know, you've got to chase the cards, you know? Just, you know, I think, right? Or you just live in Vegas? What the fuck do you do? Well, you know, a lot of these guys, I mean like the Daniel Neganus of this world, who's now the top leading poker winner with like over 20 million in poker tournament winnings. On to Phil Helmuth, everybody's heard about. I can go on and on about the different guys that are out there.
Starting point is 01:11:45 Doyle Brunson, everybody knows Doyle Brunson. These guys, a lot of them are like professional athletes, like tennis players that are sponsored. And they'll travel the world and play all the big tournaments. One like last week or last month I was playing with them at the World Series in Vegas during the main event. Suddenly they'll head out this month and head over to Europe to play the European poker tour. So they'll be in London or they'll be in the south of France, you know, in Monte Carlo or Khan. Then they're over to Australia and Melbourne at the Crown Casino where I play that's amazing. Or they'll go over to China, you know, and they just travel playing all these big tournaments.
Starting point is 01:12:20 So it's kind of like life on the road, but you're right. I mean, it is exciting. But that's not the way it is for all of them. Your basic average poker player is what we call a grinder. and something I would never want to be. I love playing poker, but selectively where and who I play with. But the grinders that are looking to make their, you know, with respect, God bless all of them. Because, you know, I believe we're all created equal in life, Joey.
Starting point is 01:12:43 It's just about the paths we choose. I hate arrogance and I hate conceit. I like real people. So these guys, when they go and they do the grinding to make their 200 a day, their 500 day to pay the bills, right? They're there eight hours a day at that table, sitting down, grinding, grinding, grinding. That's not the poker life for me. The poker life I like is playing the big tournaments like the World Series where you're going to drop down some of the events are 1,000,
Starting point is 01:13:09 but the main event's 10,000, you know, and you have a chance to win 8 million, or in this case this year was a guarantee of 10 million for first prize, or you could win 100,000. I've won as much as 30,000 in that tournament, on and on and on and, or you go over and you play the World Poker Tour in, like I said, the south of France. They even have it in Greece.
Starting point is 01:13:27 I couldn't go play. I was invited. All expensive. plane was paid for my entry was paid for they just wanted me to go play and do an appearance but i had a ufc i couldn't go you don't think i wanted to go to greece and play that poker tournament it could be a very exciting you know adventurous james bond lifestyle life but that's not the life of your average poker player i'd say they're grinding it out to pay the bills and every time a guy comes up to you i don't care who he is i don't care if he's talking about blackjack or
Starting point is 01:13:53 poker or whatever and out of their mouth is always hey i won 100 000 i won 10 000 they don't tell you, the guy that said I won 10,000, he doesn't tell you about the 20 times he lost five. Right. Nobody does. They don't do that, do they? No. The way I do it for myself is I treated like a business for the last 11 years, 10 or 11 years, I can, on my computer, I can tell you every day where I played, what I played, how much I won,
Starting point is 01:14:17 how much I lost, tally at the end of the month, tallied the end of the year. I've only had one losing year in 10 years, and it wasn't a lot. Otherwise, I've had, I treated like a business because you don't win all the time. you know sure I can tell you many times I've won five figures and I'll tell you that truthfully I've lost five figures too so it's it's about keeping track if you don't keep track of it you lose track of it it's really that simple you know that's how I like to to work it now I'm very ignorant at this gambling style I grew up around numbers you know policy banking the three numbers of the track and I grew up around sports betting so I was never hip to I saw people play dice my because I had no patience and because I was a coke cream I couldn't stand there's no way you could play poker with those two with those two actually now I could learn it
Starting point is 01:15:06 you could learn and you would probably enjoy it very much because you're a very cerebral individual and I know being from the streets in New York and your life that you've been through you've got to be a good reader of people you've got to have a poker gut you can see somebody and tell if they're an asshole or if there's somebody decent probably by the first two lines you have to you have to I always talk to Lee about this you have yeah you have to have that kind of perception You have to put together what they call a bankroll.
Starting point is 01:15:30 So when you're gambling, what could I do? My business life is over here. My personal life's over here. I've got an account over here for poker. It's called my bankroll. The money I've won. Everything comes out of that bankroll. So that way I control the bankroll.
Starting point is 01:15:43 You know, there's different aspects of it. But the thing about poker is that if you can get into it, it's like a competitive adrenaline rush. When I knock somebody out of a tournament and I take all their chips, right? not there to make friends. We're there to make money. But we're there to have a good time, too. And I do have a good time playing. When I take them for all their chips, I get this real feeling of like adrenaline rush, of competition. You know, my ideas of competition in the past with the surfing and martial arts and all the stuff I used to do in the past and still do today, you know,
Starting point is 01:16:14 I still surf and stuff. But it's like I can't go out and bang away and take the abuse of my body that I used to. So I look for competition in different areas and a lot of them are cerebral. When poker gives me that rush that I need. I want to be playing poker for it. My dad taught me in nine how to play poker and blackjack, and he taught me about horse racing. He said, never follow horses. If you're going to follow them, follow them, follow him with a shovel.
Starting point is 01:16:36 Don't bet on them, right? Which is great advice. I started playing cash games when I was 14 with my brother Brian. And we used to play these, there was a country club near our house in Philly, and we would play the Jewish caddies, and we'd have games at our house. And my brother actually made enough money to go to Europe and take a month vacation over in Europe when he was 18.
Starting point is 01:16:56 And then the real poker boom came in 2003 when Moneyweather, Chris Moneymaker, Chris Moneymaker won the World Series. Because back in the old days of the World Series, there was maybe 150 or 200 entries. So the guy that won the World Series, like Emeril a little Slim or Doyle Brunson back then, they maybe beat 200, 300 people. Today, you've got to beat a field of like 6,500 or more people that enter. the main event. Right?
Starting point is 01:17:24 And you've got to get down to the top 10% in order to get your money back, which is 10,000, and then start making money on that from that point forward all the way up to the 10 million that somebody will win in November when the final nine players come back. So Rounders, that we talked about earlier, and when Moneymaker, who entered a satellite, which is a tournament you play online, in his case, for like $35, give or take, he entered the satellite and he won a seat into the main event World Series. He went on to win the World Series, and he won $2.5 million. So he was this dysfunctional degenerate gambler from the Midwest who was an accountant,
Starting point is 01:18:02 but then became world famous for being the common man, becoming famous overnight, winning his $2.5 million, and that just set the world on fire. Suddenly now you've got four, five or six TV shows, World Poker Tour, World Series, Celebrity Poker, all these shows. coming out. I played on every one of them except for celebrity poker and high stakes, but they all just started growing like rabbits. And now thousands are going into Vegas and playing the World Series and it just built. And these websites like full tilt and and party poker. Party poker came to me in 1999 and wanted me to work with them bringing the poker world into MMA events. And this is one of the things I regret in business. I didn't see it back then. But I saw it two years later, but it was too late. I had a chance to work for them.
Starting point is 01:18:50 The lady that started party poker sold it and went public for the biggest sale of like almost any company around, like billions. Billions. So you still allowed to play poker online? What's happening now is the Safeport Act was signed about three years ago when I was on full tilt. I was on Full Tilt's poker's team for four years. They used to pay me to play poker online on their site. And the SafePort Act was signed in April, we call it Black Friday. And all online poker in the United States went away because you can't use a, a,
Starting point is 01:19:20 domestic banking or financial institution to put money into an online poker site. So all the sites, full tilt, poker stars, everybody had to stop play immediately. We went on our computers to go play that day, and there was a Department of Justice symbol on each site that they were closed, right? And people started getting arrested at full tilt. And right now, it's a state-by-state situation, and ultimate poker, who I'll be signing with, that's one of the owners is Lorenzo Furtita, they are now playing on a online and it's legal in Nevada, or Nevada, rather, excuse me, and it's legal in New Jersey.
Starting point is 01:19:55 And the next three states to pass would be Pennsylvania, New York, and California, by everybody's estimation. So in about two to three years, the Wild Wild West is going to come back, and you're going to have these 20-year-old, 19-year-old kids playing poker online, and I know many of them, more than I can count, that are making six figures, and not seven figures a year just playing online on their computers in their homes. You play online, don't you leave me? No, I like cards. I like blackjack, but I was never good at math, and I've listened to podcasts, and I've watched some of these shows to understand the statistics that you're looking at and to be able to know when to, like, if you watch it on TV, there'll be players that fold, fold, fold the minimum bets 10 times, and then, like, if it were me, I'd panic, I'm losing that money, and I would make a stupid bet. Like, the point in poker from what I've seen is that. that you just have to wait for that one hand and win a $6 million pot.
Starting point is 01:20:54 Like, you can't, I don't know. I mean, I don't know if I'm right or not, but it's not like black check where you're looking to win every hand. I'm a big black check player, and I actually made my money for six months in between companies that I owned, you know, because I had to pay the bills. I would fly to Vegas and try to make four or five grand just to pay the bills that month. So I can actually say I lived as a black check player paying my bills for about six months and it's like you have to accept the fact that in blackjack the casino always has a slight
Starting point is 01:21:22 edge right if you can win three hands in a row you better you know there's there's systematic betting it's it's all about money management right because you can't win every hand in blackjack it's just impossible oh i you have runs yeah and then i don't know if i know you work a lot with a casino so if you don't want to answer that that's fine but everyone i talk to because i love Vegas i always talk to people who make their living there and everyone says ultimately to win a blackjack you have to count cards like do you think is that's true uh i think if you're the kind of person is going to play every day that would be helpful um there's a bait i'm not a card counter but i play with a system called b sc i call it ball skill and confidence and you better have a 20% luck factor to go with that and what i mean by that
Starting point is 01:22:07 is that the skill comes from learning and understanding the game so i can ask you two questions and that'll tell me if you're good of blackjack or not okay you're ready i'm also really high so give me a little bit of a break but yeah i'm ready well if you can't play blackjack when you're high then you can't play blackjack come on that's true okay hit me with the question all right dealer's got a uh a six showing oh no and you've got an ace four what do you do well are you playing a surrender thing or because i no no no you're okay you're not in it you're not in a shoot let's just okay let's just take it as an example you can't surrender you got to make a surrender you got to make a I would have to hit.
Starting point is 01:22:50 Okay. That's not the right answer. I know, but it's like... No, but I didn't mean the right answer is to fold. Or excuse me, is to not take a hit. The answer is, is when the dealer has a four, five, or six, that's their bus cards. Okay.
Starting point is 01:23:01 It doesn't matter what you have in your hand. You're betting that she or he is going to bust. Right. So you want to edge your bet to make the most money at that moment. So if you have $50 on the hand, double down. Double down and take one card and let them go for the bust. That's how you make money at Blackjack. example. You have a pair of eights.
Starting point is 01:23:19 You get dealt two-eights and dealer's got a king. What do you do? Well. Which is 16 folks. Right. You're supposed to split it, but he has a king, so you're worried that you're going to lose a hand. Yes and no, not necessarily. And it all depends on your chip stack because there is such a thing
Starting point is 01:23:35 called gut calls. The book can say whatever it wants. Uh-huh. But this is what you follow. This is what you listen to. Yeah. Now, in a chance where you can, I'm sorry if we're speaking Spanish to anybody listening, but if you, at that point, surrender. Now, we'll get back to surrender.
Starting point is 01:23:48 If you play on a shoe where you can surrender, every hand that you can bust on, surrender that friggin' hand. Get it out of there. You will save so much money over the next couple hours going for those winning hands. And I think of one last one. Dealer has an ace. Finds out they ask you for insurance. You say no. They check to have
Starting point is 01:24:04 a blackjack. They don't have it. You're looking at your cars now. Right. You've got a eight and a two, which is ten. Right. What do you do? You're supposed to just hit it. No Aren't you not
Starting point is 01:24:19 You're supposed to double down But I The one It was like A king of blackjack Or whatever It was a Wizard of Odds Said that when it's a
Starting point is 01:24:29 Fate Like a king-queen ace You're worth that they're gonna Well no no no no They didn't have blackjack They didn't have blackjack They didn't have blackjack Fuck the Wizard of Oz
Starting point is 01:24:37 What the hell Who the frig is the Wizard of Oz Not Wizard of Od Oh Wizard of Odds Fuck that punk Okay yeah That fucking dude When was the last time
Starting point is 01:24:46 You seen him belly but a fucking thing. How much you charge you for the program? No, no, it's free. I'm so high right now. Jimmy, you can always, you know, a poker, excuse me, Blackjack, you can definitely make some money at. Here's the, here's the big key to the situation of Blackjack. Make sure you know when to get the Velcro off
Starting point is 01:25:03 your ass and get up from the seat. Yeah, that's my fault. You go in and hit them. Like, you wake up in the middle of night with your girl and you give her a Pearl Harbor three in the morning. You know what that is, Joey? He don't. But you know what a Pearl Harbor is? No, really. It's like you wake up, you look at your girl, you feel like you're in Pearl Harbor. no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 01:25:19 Go back to sleep. You know, sit there, sit there, do an hour session, and get the hell out of there as soon as you're up. Go have a drink, go talk to girls, whatever. Then go back and go do another session. Don't sit there for six hours straight. They're going to get you. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:25:32 Well, they always seem to get me when I go back. Like, if I win and I step away, going back is always a mistake. I'll make you promise. You guys come to Vegas. You know, I'm there. You're with Joey at a UFC. I guarantee you I will promise you 45 minutes to an hour.
Starting point is 01:25:45 We're going to play some blackjack together. What do you like to play in Vegas? I play poker, but mainly. But I don't always have time. When I'm there after a UFC, you'll usually, unless I'm with a girlfriend, you usually see me at the blackjack table after I have dinner. Yeah. Well, I...
Starting point is 01:25:58 It's stupid. Oh, I do want... Actually, I want to ask you this. Have you played Blackjack Switch? See, I will not play wild cards. I won't play any of those. I love Switch. No, that's like Jewish poker.
Starting point is 01:26:10 I'm sorry. He's Jewish. Oh, there you go. Okay, you got it. Okay, I'm sorry. That's why he loves all that shit. That's how they get you. I'm a...
Starting point is 01:26:17 Italian, okay? We're very similar. Our mothers are very similar. I went to your house for the brisket and the twice-baked potatoes. You came to my house for the pasta. Okay. But in reality, Jewish moms, Italian moms, a lot of similarities, right? Right. Yeah. No, but it's, you don't like it? Because most times... No, I didn't say I didn't like it. I just play straight blackjack. I don't play... I won't go to the casinos here in L.A. and play the 22 California blackjack.
Starting point is 01:26:40 Right. He don't want to play games because he knows every time the Swiss, that's more money for the fucking house. It's another angle for the house. It's another angle. All that shit. And I don't even know cards, but I know anything unless that's what they want you to do. They want you to go in there. Yeah, give me a vodka tonic. And next, you know, you're sucking 22 fucking cocks.
Starting point is 01:26:59 You know what I'm saying? Filipino dicks right there at the fucking Congress. Casino. They yell that yet. You got no egg rolls. What are you going to do? Let me ask you this, Bruce. Could you make a living just gambling every year?
Starting point is 01:27:13 Mm-hmm. Just plain. If I chose. How many nights a week would you have to go out? If I was to choose, which I would never choose, but if I was to choose that kind of life, I would probably take three, max four days to play what I needed to play to pay the bills. Like I said, I do not want to be a grinder. But in poker, I can do more to pay the bills.
Starting point is 01:27:34 If I went into poker professionally like these guys, I really truly believe, because I cash usually 70% of the tournaments, or 60% of the tournaments, excuse me, that I enter where the average good amount is 20 to 30%. I don't play as many tournaments as the guys. I know if I got really into it and honed my game, I'd make six figures easy playing poker. I know I would. Wow.
Starting point is 01:27:56 If not millions, you know, winning some of the big tournaments. I would get sponsored by some of the big, you know, one of the big sites, like some of the guys I know, and hopefully they would sponsor me, and I'd travel and do the number, but it's not the life I choose. When I decide to stop doing what I do in sports and entertainment, you know, retire out of the Octagon in that area in my life,
Starting point is 01:28:16 life or whatever. I will, I do like poker because when I retire, it's going to be something I can have fun playing when I get older, but I'm going to, I want to do other things. I want to play poker. I want to hopefully, you know, still be dating and having fun. I want to be able to surf and see movies and do all and read and just do what I love in life. It wouldn't just be to do one thing. I've become a very unhappy person. I got to have a zest. I got to wake up and feel fresh, you know. I like variety. But you, but whenever you choose, anything in life you've got to focus. If you don't focus, you're going to do it half-ass, you're not going to succeed. No, it's always nice to find what people's...
Starting point is 01:28:53 When your hobby makes you a little bit of money, when it's very enjoyable. My hobby, I make money and is collecting. I collect antique weapons and artifacts. I collect vintage movie memorabilia. I got a huge poster collection that I cherish. Like, It's a Wonderful Life, Creature from the Black Lagoon, Day of the Earth still. I got all these, you know, amazing art pieces. And I collect sports memorabilia. One of the biggest things is one of the best investments you can make today is wax packs. Remember the wax packs we played with the kid for five cents? You get a pack of tops baseball cards?
Starting point is 01:29:24 Yeah. Okay, so like I was born in 1957. The card cost, the pack of five cards and a bubble gum piece cost five cents. How good was that fucking bubble bag? It was great. Every time of that was awesome. It broke in for like 18 pieces. 18 pieces.
Starting point is 01:29:39 Every once in a while you got a fresh piece. That was the day you're luckyest fucking day of your life. But if not that gum, always broken to 18 pieces. Took you like 15 minutes just to get it right, but it was good for about four minutes. You know what that pack cost today? 1957 tops I just bought one last year. It's like valued a little about 5,000 plus.
Starting point is 01:29:58 And these packs actually go up an average of anywhere from 10 to 30% or more a year. Like Michael Jordan's rookie card is in the Fleer Wax pack, again costing five cents. I bought these in 1992 for like 20 bucks, right? They won't just sold on the eBay on the internet just this week for $990. Two years ago, or a year ago, I paid $450. It doubled in price in one year. Why? Simple economic theory, supply and demand, that's what collectibles are all about.
Starting point is 01:30:29 Today, you buy stuff. Anything pre-1975 is your best area to think about collecting in sports memorabilia? Pre-1975. Because since then, they just started printing paper. Maybe some of the early 80s, specific things like the FLIRPAC, I told you, with Michael Jordan. but from the 1990s on, it's just tons of paper. Now, another collectible, when the UFC trading cards came out by tops, those boxes cost 60 bucks, 70 bucks, right?
Starting point is 01:30:53 They're 800 plus dollars today. And they sell the first issue. So I used to tell everybody in my podcast, go out and go buy yourself a couple boxes, put them away. You know, there's ways to make money. Collecting is a big thing. Don't throw anything away. It's that has potential value. I can go on and on about this.
Starting point is 01:31:13 This is what my TV show that I'm working on is going to be all about. I just can't go back to. I'm like the sports. That's fucking amazing. My buddy was George Kaladinsky. That's what he does. He frames everybody's shit. Bernard King.
Starting point is 01:31:27 Bernard King has a Burger King. There's Albert King. There's a buyer for everything, Joey. And he was amazed. Basketballs. Do you remember some guy sent me a 76 of basketball? Right. He found in his garage.
Starting point is 01:31:41 I took it to the collector. The collector said it was Atlanta Hawk Basketball. That wasn't Julius Irving. It was Jojo White. It was the weirdest fucking thing. They found all this shit out. It's fucking, that's a complete different world I don't know about. Is there really a lot of money in it and really a sport collectibles?
Starting point is 01:32:00 Yes, I know people that make tremendous amounts of money, but you've got to know what to buy. My brother Brian's amazing at it. Amazing. His house is actually like a store. I mean, he just doesn't have room for it. everything he has. You know, we've got to have, we've got other areas. We put stuff. Now, years ago, HBO did a special, sort of like what you did for Brian Gumbull or one of those guys on there.
Starting point is 01:32:20 And it was about the whole scam, the authenticity scams. The big authenticity scam is in the signatures. I purposely, I have very few signatures that I collect unless I personally got them from somebody, like Magic Johnson. You know, I met him back in 92 and, you know, signed a picture for me and we were doing some charity thing together. I know if I can prove with a, COA, which is called certificate of authenticity, you've got to, really, it's like the horse's mouth that told you what they told you. It's all about who you heard it from, right? Well, it's all about who you bought it from in sports memorabilia, yes,
Starting point is 01:32:54 because there's such big, wherever there's big money, there's going to be counterfeit, you know, unauthentic stuff. As an example, out of sports memorabilia, like when I was and do collect, you know, the antique weapons, one of the biggest collectibles, even to this day, and the most valuable is German military from World War II. as an example of German Lugar. When you get a German Lugar, it should be stamped with the last two numbers
Starting point is 01:33:17 of the serial number on roughly 16 or 17 different pieces inside the Lugar. And I know how to find them all. I take it apart and find them all. But then if you take it and you take one piece out and you change it, which has a different number, that gun that could be worth $10,000, suddenly is worth maybe $1,000.
Starting point is 01:33:32 A lot of people will take it and they'll refinish it or what they call re-blue it, thinking they've got a beautiful piece. No, you just ruin the whole original value of that piece. With, like, refinishing a car. You know, you buy an antique car. Sure, a lot of them got to be fixed up. But who fix it up?
Starting point is 01:33:49 How do they fix it up? You know? All these things come into play when you're collecting. Do you ever collect anything like stamps or bugs? No. Nothing, you fuck? It's, uh... No?
Starting point is 01:33:59 You never collected nothing? No, did you? Yeah, I collected comic books for a couple years. Oh, okay. I thought you meant something was valuable. I collected stats for a couple years. Joey, big money in comic books. Big money.
Starting point is 01:34:09 I used to rob the guy, bring him back. It was a fucking nightmare. I'm so upset because when I was like 10, I had the original Spider-Man's and all this. My brother Brian saved it. And I don't know what happened. My dad or something, of all people, was the biggest collector I ever knew.
Starting point is 01:34:25 We threw him out. And to this day, that collection we had as kids would be six-figure value. I had all that shit. Cincinnati Red Gloves, Orlando Sepedars. I had tons of shit growing up. Lee, how the fuck didn't you collect nothing as a kid? John?
Starting point is 01:34:39 No, I didn't know. Tonya Bill Sports, Boston Red Sox. They had these little... What do you collect. Plastic things the kids used to. I don't know. You flick them at each other. And it would be battles.
Starting point is 01:34:50 I don't remember the name of them. How many did you collect all of us on you? Oh, you know, we carried them around in these cases. And that's all you ever fucking collected. I had baseball cards, but I was never, like, into it. I was just any time I got a baseball card, I would put it in this little notebook. I don't know what this. This is the youth of America.
Starting point is 01:35:04 This fucking kid never... Well, how do you know what to collect? What if you kept these for 8,000 years? Fucking knives or people. dead people's teeth. Something. You have to collect something only. You know, you gotta fucking have a good time. I tried to collect shit, and I got rid of it. I got bored with me. Here's the key to collecting. Here's the key to life, in my opinion.
Starting point is 01:35:22 And you got this from, hopefully from my book. I'm a very passionate individual. If you have passion for something, like I do for movie memorabilia, you know, as an example, and I can look on the wall at my seven-foot-tall poster from the movie, It's a Wonderful Life, which is one of the best movies ever made, still played, every Christmas. I look at it and I get a good feeling. I'm passionate about it. It makes me feel good.
Starting point is 01:35:46 If you can do that and collect and you know how to make money at it at the same time, it's perfect. It's kind of like having a job, like what I do in the octagon. I'm so passionate. I love so much what I step into that octagon. I live for that. It's one of the greatest things I can do I do in my life. And that thrill just gets more and more and more. And I get paid for this, you know?
Starting point is 01:36:05 Unbelievable. That's an Obama. You do it right. And you have, well, I remember sitting with you like for UFC. 94 and talking about how UFC 100 was coming up and you were going to do the Buffet 360 and we were all excited and red band
Starting point is 01:36:18 was taping and we were fucking excited and you went out there and you did it one move you know it's just and I see you know I'm at the Wayans my whole thing about the UFC is if I don't go to the Wayans it ain't the same it sets up the whole picture the party is the fucking Wayne's if you're an
Starting point is 01:36:34 amateur you don't go the Wayans is the whole thing and I haven't been going I've been lazy I don't go I like to go to the Wayans when I'm in Vegas. I'm in the fucking hotel, and I go right from the Wayans up to my room like a soldier, and I refuel for the night. I don't want to be walking the streets in the way,
Starting point is 01:36:51 and people, what the fuck are you and shit? That's why I don't go, but I love the Wayans. I was talking to Buff, and I'm like, Buff, what are they going to do for the $160? And I was very excited. Excuse me, I had a little burp that came out of my muffler and my throat at the same time. You ever have one of those?
Starting point is 01:37:08 No, but I guess I'm about to enjoy it in about three seconds. You parted on me online at the cafe yesterday. Oh my God. Where did I fart on you? At the coffee place. That's right. You were standing behind me by mistake.
Starting point is 01:37:21 I farted on it. You said it smelled terrible. And it was one of those farts that comes out and then it doubles. Like it just got momentum to it. Not to segue from your story, but do you know the new thing about farts? The smelling farts might be good for your health. Did you read this? Did you hear this?
Starting point is 01:37:38 people sent he has a joke that a girl's going to fart in my face so I had about 10,000 people tweet to me look at this man if flavor's trying to help you and he don't want to let the chick fart in his mouth finish your story finish your story about what was he talking about a second ago was he was going on somewhere oh where uh he far out the coffee shop nice marie tea yeah you see what a fart does it just breaks up the momentum of everything right it's delicious let me give some shot of what we're going to say I'm sorry well actually I was going to I was going to change the subject a second and ask you and tell you that I think one of the most ridiculous things that I've ever heard. I don't watch the Kardashians, okay? I mean, big ass and a sex tape, easily release fine. And granted, you know, I give her all the credit or mom all the credit, you know, go make money, do what you do. But this really is too much. The rich just keep getting richer. Have you heard about what's happening with this app, Kim Kardashian-Hawleywood?
Starting point is 01:38:30 No. All right. Somebody came out with an app, Kim Kardashian-Hawleywood. It's currently being downloaded, and what you do is you download it for free. I feel like, I'm going to sell another 100,000 apps by talking about this. Not with this audience. Okay, good. Thank God. So you basically download it, and the girls, whoever downloads it, you pay money to dress up and buy the clothes and rub shoulders with celebrities. It's an app.
Starting point is 01:38:52 See, it's a cartoon. They're paying for their characters in the app. The character's app to wear a clothes, but they're paying real money. So it's currently making $700,000 a day. She gets 50%. Right? her mother's probably going to get the usual 20% cut. Her take from this right now
Starting point is 01:39:11 is estimated at 45 million. They say 90, but 90 million. She'll get like half if you do the numbers. She's going to equate her total net worth with this game. The rich just get richer, but it's all about who is getting richer. It's unbelievable. Who's fucking giving her $700,000?
Starting point is 01:39:27 I want to know who the fuck is ordered this shit for fucking Kim Kardashian. Who's in home right now going, you know what? I want to dress up the fucking... And it's not even for them to wear. I want to dress up the retarded brother, though. app they're playing on their phone it's a fantasy app it's like when you go to mafia wars on Facebook
Starting point is 01:39:41 and I'm coming out with MMA Federation which is the social game app for MMA and I've got a team of developers working in London right now I don't know if you know this Joey but I've made three video games called Ready to Rumble Boxing and I've done a lot of stuff in the video game industry but my
Starting point is 01:39:57 game comes out in March of next year do you ever see Mafia Wars on Facebook? Yeah this is this is MMA meets Mafia Wars and Farmville it's a total thing we're going to be signing fight teams, we already have signed fight teams from all over the world coming in. None of the UFC fighters, because they're exclusive to the EA
Starting point is 01:40:13 game, which is a great game, the UFC game that just came out by EA. But this is not a video game where you're pressing buttons and throwing punches. You totally become immersed in the world of MMA, and you pay for things to power up. It's free to get it. But you'll be able to train with American top team fighters. You'll be able to train with the A.k.A. But you'll be able to train with
Starting point is 01:40:29 Fierres who trains George St. Pierre. And you'll be able to get in their world of videos and I can go on and on and on. And I've got a team of literally 15 developers in London with my partner who's in London creating this game and we just hired on as one of our VPs, the man that created
Starting point is 01:40:45 Fight Night for EA and Call of Duty and all and it's good to one of my big projects Joey. What's your favorite game concept? I've gotten immersed in all, but I like that's the thing. I didn't have the money to be paying to get up so I'd like they make you wait
Starting point is 01:41:01 like six days to play and so all those games are tough. They get addicting though. What's your favorite game? Give you one game. Oh, that jelly splash thing was fun. What jelly? Like you flip the characters and you break the...
Starting point is 01:41:18 I don't know. Jimmy, you like fighting games and all? Oh, yeah. I'm actually waiting to get the... When I get the PS4 so I can play the new UFC game. Why don't you tell me it would have brought you a copy for gosh sakes? Oh, I'm... I got...
Starting point is 01:41:31 I just... I was in the game and they've nicely sent me a half dozen copies. Oh, that's cool. I got an Xbox. They sent me PSCX. sports. Do you know when all that shit came out, by the time those things came out, Nintendo, by that time I was already hijacking trucks, your shit's up. Yeah, you're going to sit home and play a video game. Fuck, you're always living it. I swear, how fucking crazy is that?
Starting point is 01:41:51 These kids, kids, these adults, even myself, I mean, when I had ready, when I first came on with Ready to Rumble boxing, did you ever play that game, Jimmy, back in 2000? His name is Lou. It's Lee, but that's okay. What was that? My name is Lee. are you Jimmy it's Lee. Wait, am I saying? Why didn't you tell me for the whole damn show? I'm saying Jimmy for God's sake. Jesus, Lee. Fuck it, Lee. You are high if you can't even acknowledge
Starting point is 01:42:16 your own name. This is why I got to friggin' write them down on three by five cards when I work, so I don't forget a name. Now I'm there. You know what? You know what? I'll tell you what I'm going to do. I'm going to send you, I'm going to mail you just for that, for being a dick on the
Starting point is 01:42:33 show and not knowing your name. I'm sending you a UFC game for your PS4. Thank you very much. Will you give him my email, Joey, and email me your address? I'm sending it to you, okay? We get it together. The first time I thought I was hired and I missed it. Lee, I said Jimmy about
Starting point is 01:42:48 I don't care. The second time he was dying laughing. I have to be the worst friggin guest on the show ever. This is tremendous. You call them fucking Jimmy. He's done. He's Jimmy from now.
Starting point is 01:43:07 You're going to be playing UFC next week. Just give me an email with your address, okay? Let me give some shoutouts real quick. First of all, 200 fucking episodes. You guys, I love you at all my fucking heart. The whole Dead Squad family. That Squad, Nashville. That Squad Harlem.
Starting point is 01:43:22 That Squad, Australian. That Squad fucking deep, deep, deep in the jungle in the Philippines, whatever. Rick Moncrief, Simon Holloway, Akul, Veropian, Jay Dominguez, Luca Banana, Santa. man, Luciano, Soprano, Laron, Lauren, fucking Jay, I love all you coxuckers, Constantine,
Starting point is 01:43:45 Leon, you know, water boxer, you guys are the backbone of the organization. God bless you for being around coxuckers and for hanging out and giving us love. We did the live podcast like Miss Pat last night, you savages showed up. People were smoking dope, shooting heroin
Starting point is 01:44:00 out in the fucking parking lot. We loved it. Some chick got fucked out there. She was bleeding from the... It was tremendous. Why did I come on the night of the nuns? Because we got to come here. I can't have you up there with those fucking savages. If you missed a live podcast last night,
Starting point is 01:44:14 some fucking cool. I gave out some free vapor pens from the company. Fucking vapor air. I love those guys. They said, that's a good vapor pen. I got to bring one in here tomorrow and smoke that motherfucker. That's a good one because you can buy the wea for and put it in there, too. We could have been puffing right now,
Starting point is 01:44:29 but you didn't think about it. How many hits you get off one of those cartridges? It depends. The vapor, at the place I go to now, They sell the vapor for 25 bucks. It's a half a gram. You know, I go on a trip. It'll last me two days, the little vapor.
Starting point is 01:44:43 Well, you also smoke a lot more than most people. Yeah, than most people. So that's pretty good for two. Probably the week for someone else. I would think if you have one of those, I'm sorry, interrupt your shoutouts, but if you have one of those vapor pens in your pocket and you like smoking, you know, pot,
Starting point is 01:44:57 how can you not take a hit off that every half hour? How can you have any discipline when that thing is sitting in your pocket? If I'm on a plane, I'm hitting that motherfucker like a savage. Because it goes right down. There's a vapor. There's a vacuum on the plane. People don't know. You smoking on the plane?
Starting point is 01:45:12 Oh, fuck yeah. I got video for me blowing in a JFK. Don't use the term blowing on JFK. No, no, I'm sorry. That didn't sound good, Joach. No, no, no. The fucking vapor pen item, you know, now I don't do it.
Starting point is 01:45:25 I don't care no more. Because the vapor pen gets you high in the morning. After that, it doesn't really get me high throughout the day. I need to smoke in the morning to get the party started. That's because you smoke a lot. I stopped because of jihititsu. stop. Oh. So you don't smoke before you do Jits? No, no.
Starting point is 01:45:40 He doesn't smoke at all. Well, every once in a while. I smoked last night when I got home, I smoked a little bit. This weed strike, I got some shit now. And they got these two top shells. They smell okay. You know what, man? I'm doing these breathing exercises and stuff, so the breathing's getting better at Jiu-Itsu.
Starting point is 01:45:56 I'm working at them every day. I'm holding my nose. I'm counting the 60. You know me, Lisa. I don't. I'm going to fucking get it. You got to shoot me with a bone arrow ten times. What? guys. Everything all right? Everybody, what the fuck, Lee? Look at the shape of you today.
Starting point is 01:46:10 This is four days in a row. I can't believe you didn't collect stamps as a kid. You look like the type of kid collecting something. I wish I did. Yamika pickle jars, fucking something. I want to give a shout out to the people who are making people beautiful. On it. From Mike
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Starting point is 01:49:11 everything bagel sticks baked sweet potato fries can anybody make pistachios and a bag out of the shell does anybody do that they make them with the bag with the fucking shell and they make them spicy this nature box is delicious I wouldn't bullshit you know I just ask no I'm sure it is delicious delicious I like pistachios but the shells are tough
Starting point is 01:49:29 the shells are tough does anybody ever made a bag of pistachios out of the shells has you ever seen that no just the shells No, no, no, no, no. No, the thing you eat inside the shell, the seed, whatever you want to call it, has anybody ever made a pistachio product where you're getting a bag of the actual stuff you eat? Because you don't eat the shells, do you?
Starting point is 01:49:49 Depends. You don't know how high you are? Depends on how I, what type of teeth I got breaking that week, you know? If the Armenians work, like the dental office. I don't know. I'll eat the fucking shelves. You don't eat the shells, you eat the fucking thing. But see now they're cracked
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Starting point is 01:50:50 Joey. Joey, J-O-E-Y, 50% off your first order. Joey, not 10, not 20, not 30, 50, motherfuckuckin percent off your first order. Where are you going to get that type of action? Nobody takes care of you like the church of what's happened now. Speaking of the church of what's happening now, when I went to San Jose, I saw my little fucking cabanos from NailedoLife.com.
Starting point is 01:51:10 They gave me some fucking vapors, a little wax. I took care of my friends, but they also gave me a little present. They gave me a new product they got, the peanut brittle. Can I tell you about the peanut brittle? You said I was going to get some peanut brittle. Well, next week when they come down, we got to get you some peanut brittle. I saw the devil and the devil's cousin. I told them both to get off the fucking plane.
Starting point is 01:51:28 They must take a parachute off and they fucking let me alone. But that's nailed their life, whether it's the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the devil's the devil's cousin. Gummy bears, whether it's the peanut brittle, whether it's the vapor pen, the number one vapor pen out there in the market. Tremendous guarantee, if you call these guys, they'll call you back. What the fuck, Lee? They'll call you back. If you call them, they'll call you back. That's customer service.
Starting point is 01:51:50 I don't deal with fucking bopies. If I got somebody fucking sponsored me, it's because when you call them, they give you the respect that you deserve and they call you back. And they don't put you on the phone with some Hindu. I can't know I blow. You don't need that aggravation. You got shit to do. All right. On it, naturebox.com, Nell to Life support these people.
Starting point is 01:52:08 It's our 200 podcasts. We want to go straight up to fucking 400 League. Can I get a little water pee up with Joey? If you don't mind my brother. I'm over here, fucking seen. Jimmy Lee, can I have one? Yes. Thank you.
Starting point is 01:52:20 Jimmy Lee, that's his name. That's his new fucking name, Jimmy Lee. Why people bother me for? Are you trying to sell me confused and shit? I don't bother nobody. Buff? Yes. I gotta close this motherfucker out.
Starting point is 01:52:32 Give me some closing arguments. Whatever you're trying to tell them. me what's your message on life? I know you're a busy guy. I'm a busy guy, but I, you know, that's my own choice. Maybe I'm a bit of an overachiever, a workaholic, whatever. But, you know, I got family to take care of,
Starting point is 01:52:47 and we're all just trying to live and do life as best we can, but I'm going to say it again. Joey, to me and life, I believe we're all created equal. I respect everybody for what to respect. I'm not a religious guy. When I tell you, God bless you, it's because
Starting point is 01:53:03 whoever your God is, I hope he, she, it, whatever form they are in blesses you because that's your choice in life. I treat everybody with respect and I like to be treated the same and I have no time for A-Holes. And a very simple theory about life. And I just want to be happy.
Starting point is 01:53:18 And I love helping people be happy. I love seeing people happy. I get tears in my eyes when people spend the lot of wheel and win $100,000 or a million knowing that it's changing or helping their lives. It's not going in my pocket. It's going in theirs. I'm the happiest guy in the world.
Starting point is 01:53:31 You know? It's just the way I am. You've always been a gentleman to me. your brother's always been a gentleman. I remember I saw him at the Premier, and you said to me, just say hello. I don't bother no, but I'm going to go over there and drop your name.
Starting point is 01:53:42 I know Brucey Buffer. Fuck that shit. When it's time, I'll see you somewhere, but you've always been a great guy. And you know what? I started going to the UFC when I was fucked up, you know? And Joe will let me walk around and stuff and talk to people.
Starting point is 01:53:57 And everybody's always been great. It's, everybody's always been great to me. And everybody's... You're thirsty. Can we get your son? okay, you know, and that's always really nice. Well, it's that kind of attitude and the approachability of everybody from Dana White at the top down to the fighters and everybody else, including Joe, who's great attitude.
Starting point is 01:54:17 And I'd like to think I am too, very courteous to our fans, because without them we're nothing. And it's like that approachability, which you don't get in the NBA, the NFL, the NHL, with all respect to these fine athletes themselves, you can't get LeBron James autograph as he walks through the lobby, but Chuck Ladell, you know, in the heartbeat, he'll stop and signed 50 of them, you know. And I'm not saying anything wrong with LeBron. It's just the nature of the, you know, the sport.
Starting point is 01:54:41 So the approachability in the sport of MMA and especially the UFC, which is MMA, I think it's really been a big reason why it's grown exponentially so fast, you know, and so big. We're looking at a sport that was created in 1993 in this country and has entered mainstream. In my lifetime, I've never seen anything do that. It's the first time. So I'm very proud and honored and humbled every day. day I wake up and, you know, I know that I'm got a UFC coming down the, you know, that weekend or
Starting point is 01:55:09 whatever. I take great pride in what I do, and I love working for the Furtitas and Dana, and I love working with Joe. He's a great guy. You know, I've been working alongside Joe in the Octagon for, what, 16 years or however long it's been. And I think we should all just be very thankful for all these experiences that we've been able to receive and able to enjoy. One thing that, you know, in life, you get thrown all these fucking things every week, you know, and you got to come up with fucking don't. It's not when you and I were growing up. You know, you went to see a six a game for $12, and you got a hot dog
Starting point is 01:55:40 for 50 fucking cents. You want to go to a Laker game, it's $250, it's $300, and that's without the car and the fucking steak and, you know, the blow and the fucking broad and the makeup and all the bullshit that comes with it. I think about the average family income of like around $51,000 a year. How can they afford that? A baseball game? A Dodger game for you to take your son to,
Starting point is 01:56:00 you know, your parking, everything. You're talking a couple hundred bucks. I was born. at a great time and I was fortunate that I got to go to everything even hockey games I went to Islander games I went to Ranger games as a kid for $15, $8, $20 you know I go to a lake game
Starting point is 01:56:16 like I said I've been blessed to win those tickets that time and I couldn't believe the tickets are $248 if I were to pay for them and they were all the way the fuck up there but my point being if you ever have a chance to I don't care if you gotta follow Dana and win the tickets take them out of the fucking garbage game when you fucking meet you at Starbucks.
Starting point is 01:56:35 What an experience. What an experience, no matter what level you're in at the UFC, because you don't know who's walking past you at what time at those things. No. The music, your heartbeat. And if you're lucky, and you win floor seats or the other seats, if you watch Buffer,
Starting point is 01:56:52 if you watch the black referee, Herb Dean, if you watch these guys, in between fights, you guys are shaking hands with people. As the fights are switching, the fight camps are switching, One is walking out.
Starting point is 01:57:04 You're out there shaking hands, hugging people. You know, Mario Yamasaki's out there. Everybody's out there hugging, motherfuckers. Dana comes in. It's like Elizabeth Dana walking into the business. Everybody fucking claps and stands up. And all of a sudden, it's live. And it goes through three different extremes, and you see it.
Starting point is 01:57:24 That doesn't happen at a baseball game. You're a fucking baseball game. You sit there to the seventh inning. Some fat fuck gets up and sits his national anthem. I got a stretch. and I eat one of those communist hot dogs and I go home and I'm set minus 300 with the fucking hot dog
Starting point is 01:57:38 and I got to stop for fucking 22 Alka-Souces because I'm bleeding from my foot from the diabetes for the fucking hot dog. You know, it really is a great experience and I see you guys work and I've learned. I've learned that it's a different time now.
Starting point is 01:57:55 When I was a kid I was a fan. I always say this. When I was a kid I was a fan of Julius Irving. I would go to the garden We would drive down to the spectrum, and I would stand there go look at fucking Julius Irving. I had the pleasure to have dinner with him, or rather drinks. I had the pleasure of drinks with my brother Michael. I had him announce the Bulls and the Utah Jazz final game in the championships.
Starting point is 01:58:19 When Jordan was sick in the first half, scored seven points, and came out and scored over 42. In the first half, and the second half scored over 42 to win the game in the series. And that night we partied with Charles Barkley and Julius Irving. I was in awe of you. I mean, I don't get awestruck. I don't get awestruck. But this is Julius Irving.
Starting point is 01:58:37 Julius fucking Irving. I was really, I was like, oh, my God. I was blown away. But you think of how fast the times have changed. Now the people that are fans of Chuck Ladell could talk to him on Twitter. Yeah. If Chuck Ladell is really cool, he'll talk to you on Twitter. Chris Cornell would talk to you on Twitter.
Starting point is 01:58:54 You know, Julius serving, I follow him on Twitter, and he tweets. He fucking tweets. I've hit him up a couple times and then they hit me up, but fucking things. how many hits Julia Serving gets, so I don't expect anything. But just the fact that we're in more contact with the people around. So now
Starting point is 01:59:09 I pay for the ticket. I sit at the UFC, I'm not expecting nothing. And honey, look who's walking towards me. Michael Buffer and Herb fucking Dean. I'm going to hug them both and get a picture. Wait, Michael was there? Is that getting back to me because I called you Jimmy? No, no, no. I'm sorry. The fucking reef is killing.
Starting point is 01:59:25 I'm sorry. Hey, I'm his manager, man. What's he doing there? Jimmy, you're fucking me up. And there's Bruce Buffer with suit on hugging people, taking pictures with women, and there's Uriah Fabor right behind them. That doesn't happen. No. When you go to a nick game if fucking Carmelo Anthony's hurt,
Starting point is 01:59:42 he doesn't walk up to you when they call it time out and hug you and take a picture with you. Joey, it doesn't happen at boxing either. At boxing events, you don't see that kind of interaction with the people, you know, that are part of the boxing event. You don't see them doing that. You know, there's, it's an amazing thing. But I
Starting point is 01:59:57 remember in the old days when it was like crickets. We'd walk through hotel lobbies and it was crickets. he was doing anything. I mean, we are here because of obviously the great leadership and management of Zufan, Lorenzo and Dana and Lorenzo Brother Frank Fertita, and all the great team they have together. That's all a wonderful, wonderful given. But I get back to it, the approachability and the fans. Without the fans, we are nothing. And I remember when I was five years old, or four years old, rather, and in Philadelphia I was at the Marriott Hotel, and this tall black man was there, who I recognized, because I was watching boxing out of the wound with my dad, and his name at that time was Cassius Clay, right?
Starting point is 02:00:36 So my brother Brian and I, who is six, we walk up to him, we say, hi, he spent five minutes with us, talking to us, right? I never forgot that for the rest of my life. And I cold that deer right here. That's the way I feel. Every time I see a kid that asks for an autograph, much less an adult, they paid for that ticket. They deserve that experience. And unless they're disrespectful, or ask me for an autograph in the bathroom, which is man law, you don't do that. take the time and if you're selling t-shirts if you have sponsors these are the people that are going to buy your shirt these are the people going to buy your product you know hone your business be a gentleman be respectful and give these fans the fan experience they deserve how many fucking people come up to you when you're a dick in your hand and ask you they can take a picture on a very like as an example uh I would say on an average night on show night between going to the event and then when I get back to the hotel on the way up to my room I would have to say that I easily sign and take in the area of probably two to 500 different pictures and autographs. You know, it can be that way in Vegas, in Vegas when it's jammed.
Starting point is 02:01:43 On the average, at least 100 or more, you know what happens. When it leaves in Israel, he takes 5 to 2,000 pictures of fucking day. He's a big star. None of us have any privacy in Vegas. I mean, you know, Joe, myself, I mean, you know, you go to dinner, you get there, and I can't walk around Vegas on a UFC weekend when I'm at Vegas on a non-UFC weekend. Buff, I'm happy you fucking came in tonight.
Starting point is 02:02:09 I'm happy you came in for the two hundred other episode. I'm happy we're still here making it happen. I really enjoyed it. I'm going to have you on my podcast. I know. I didn't even know you did a podcast until tonight. I read it, but I don't think he does any. I'm approaching, actually, I think we just did our 200 show.
Starting point is 02:02:24 We're just about to do it. It's for four years now. I try to do it live every Tuesday, 8-11. and podcast one, which handles Adam Carolla and Steve Austin, other than number one. Goldberg. Yeah, Goldberg just joined their crew. I just signed a deal with them this week, so my show is going to be on Podcast One now. Are you going to take your thing over there?
Starting point is 02:02:45 Pardon me? Are you going to take the podcast there? No, because I do it on Suredog.com is where I'm live every Tuesday, and we made a deal where we will deliver the show to them. But they want me to go do it over there. I'll do a few shows there, but right now I'm 10 minutes away from my home. You know, that's two hours out of the day. But I'll be doing shows there, too.
Starting point is 02:03:03 It's going to be a very wonderful experience. Very excited about this. I think we'll be going on podcast one within the next four weeks. I'm happy you came on. I love you to death, man. Thank you very much. Thanks, Joey. Much love back to you. Really appreciate it.
Starting point is 02:03:15 Thank you, bad motherfucker. Thank you for you guys. The 2-100 episode of the church of what's happened now. I want to thank On It from Day 1. I want to thank Nature's Box, Nailed a Life. I want to thank fucking Hulu. Who else, Lee? Drop it from.
Starting point is 02:03:31 Nail the Life, Hulu Plus. Dollar Shave Club. All our sponsors for always giving an Escape Pod Tank. I love your guys over there, Jeremy. I love you guys. Have a great weekend. The live podcast will be up this weekend sometime. Don't fucking ask.
Starting point is 02:03:46 Thank you for watching. Stay Black. Buff, who loves you? Joe, throw Jimmy a kiss. This is for you, Lee. I don't know if I could throw a kiss at a man, but it was more mental than anything else. I felt it.
Starting point is 02:03:59 Joey, thanks so much for having our program. For all your listeners out there, thank you for listening, and I'm going to get you on my show. I want to have you down. Thank you, brother. Now that the show is over, remember, go to Naturebox.com and order great tasting, healthy snacks.
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