The Church of What's Happening Now: The New Testament - #340 - Rudy Sarzo and Dean Delray

Episode Date: December 14, 2015

Rudy Sarzo, Musician and Bass Player who has played with, among others, Black Sabbath, White Snake and Quiet Riot joins Dean Delray, Comedian and Host of the "Let There Be Talk" podcast, with Joey Diaz and Lee Syatt in studio.   This podcast is brought to you by: Texture. Go To texture.com/history to get a free trial for the Texture App. The Texture App gives the use access to hundreds of magazines. Onnit.com. Use Promo code CHURCH for a discount at checkout.   HITecigs.com For a better tasting, longer lasting e cig go to HITecigs.com. Use Promo code joeyschurch for five Hit E Cig's for $50   Recorded live on 12/14/2015.
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devil was buried at sea. Oh shit. Rudy Sarzo. Dean Delray. What do you think of these motherfuckers here? Really think about it. And you really do your homework. I got to be up there. One of the greatest American bands all the time.

Five little black kids. Two, three great fucking singers. Eddie Kendrick. Keep that bass line in line. Keep it. Keep it, Lee. Kick that motherfucking meal, Lee. He's a hungry black people right here. What's the name of the band that did the documentary, the people who did the music.

Oh, that was, yeah. The Funk Brothers. Are you fucking kidding me? Yeah. But they get $10 an album or something? They're still homeless right now, the people who played the music on this. These guys are real American heroes, bro. This is what you should get a medal for. Yeah.

Because they're still going. How old is this song? Every time you hear this in your car, you turn this up. No matter. And it brightens your mood. Lee, kick this fucking song up, Lee. I don't want to hear fucking air. Kick it.

Kick it, Lee. Listen to the Kyrgyz. Flew a Cuban in to play the congress right or wrong. They flew a motherfucker in. What's happening? Happy holidays for all you motherfuckers, whether you're Jewish, Cuban, Puerto Rican, Catholic. Happy holidays.

I know you celebrate something. Lee Syatt in the house, my man, Dean Del Rey, and the Master of Ceremonies this afternoon. Rudy Sazzo. What's happening, gentlemen? Yeah. Feliz Navi that. Velis Naviata.

So what happened last night? You went to Lemmys? Yeah, Lemmy's 70th birthday at the whiskey. And was it fucking nuts? Oh, man. Invitation only? Yep, no. Invitation only.

Okay. Now, they had done it 20 years ago on his 50th, and Metallica played that one, where each guy in Metallica dressed as Lemmy, and they were called the Lemmys. And that was pretty fucking epic, man. You can Google it and look at it or YouTube. But this time they put together an all-star tons of guys. It was like Steve Jones, Sex Pistols, Billy Idol, Sebastian Bach, Slash. Ian, Scott Ian from Anthrax.

You had Dave Lombardo, Slayer, another Cuban. I mean, it was on and on, all these guys. And they played all kinds of songs. They opened with some Zeppelin. They did some Just Got Paid. ZZ Top. They did some, then they learned some 50 songs that Lemmy

loved, and they just rotated jammers. Jeff McCagan, Billy Duffy from the Colt. It was, it wasn't like no C League. This was like the hitters were out there, man. But Rudy Sazo wasn't there. Yeah, well, I was invited. But I

got the call. I was on my way to a family holiday reunion, you know, and it's like the type that you pick people up and then you've got to bring it back. And by the time, you know, I was home, it was like, you know, the trip to fan hit. And, you know, I was passed out. Before we go any further, he was saying something very interesting. Happy birthday to you, brother.

Yeah. Thank you. 65 years old. And you're just getting started. You're just getting started. You're just getting started. When we were growing up, if you heard the number 65, you were like, Jesus Christ, I'm fucking dead.

You're going on tour next year. You know, it's just amazing what, the things you could do, if you take care of yourself. I'm doing senior homes next year. Fuck it, whatever. It looks better than me. Yes, he does. Whatever pays the mortgage rate.

It's just a beautiful thing that you're still out there. Did you think that you'd still be out there? At 37, when you were doing the buzz of the bars, confused, young. You know, I love watching Crossroads, which is the events that Eric Clapton puts on just about every year.

Right. You know, and I would say everybody, every time I watch the show, most of the people are way older than I am, and they're still, like, killing it. You know, they're playing the blues, and they're rocking out, you know, and it's like, oh, my God, you look,

like a buddy guy. He owns the stage every time he gets up there, you know. He's a killer. Eric Clapton, I mean, everybody across the board, and I go, like, yeah, I want to do that, man. I want to be, you know, when I'm that old, you know, I want to be like Miles Davis

die on the road, you know, playing, you know, being a musician. This is what I am. How old is it's Clapton, though? I don't know. No. We can you look that up? Absolutely.

Because Lemmy is 70 last night, you know? Oh, look at Lemmy. Was he there last night, drinking and shit? He was there, hell yeah. Was he drinking? Yeah, he drinks. Was he smoking a cigarette? I'm sure.

He's never changed. He's not like, I'm getting at this age. I better slow down. He's exact Lemmy from like 69 Lemmy. That guy was a roadie for Hendricks. First tour I did with Ozzie Motorhead was the opening band. The opening band, right? Yeah.

And I got to tell you. I let me wore on stage and offstage the same clothes. You know, it wasn't like, well, we have our, you know, on stage outfits, and then we're going to have, like, you know, this is what I wear, you know, in the bus or whatever. No, it was like these guys, and the whole crew and band was the same thing. You know, just like blue jeans, jackets and jeans, and that's it, you know. Just, you know, except that I think he put on the bullet. Yeah, bell of belt.

Yeah, put the belt when he went on on stage. and then he took it off when he got off the stage. That's about it. They had a 10-minute video of like a 15-minute video of his life, which is far too short. But as it went through, it started from, like, early on when he was like 14 to now, and it was unbelievable. Who he had played with, who he hung with.

He was Keith Emerson's Rody back in the 60, when he had the band The Nice. And he's the one who gave Keith Emerson the daggers. to stab the keyboard with. So you, you know, Emerson used to be like insane. Emerson, Lincoln, Pump. Yeah, well, this is before that. Before that, absolutely. The night, you know, they had that song, America, da-da-da-da-da-da, you know, on the organ.

And part of the stick was that he would take these daggers and just, like, make chords. You know, like, keep chords, you know, and just, and then he was solo on top of that and throw the organ on, you know, around the stage and stuff. But it was Lemmy, who gave him the, they were actually German-Nazi. daggers. He worked for Hendricks, too, right? Yeah, he was Hendricks's rowdy. Yeah. You know, insane. And then he starts, he plays in Hawkwind, which is like the first early, uh, they see what the Grateful Dead's doing. And they go, we want to do that, but in a 60s kind of London acidy way and Hawkwind's like the psychedelic crazy, huge band, you know,

like a huge underground band. Do a lot of musicians get there start being roadies? Because it seems like it'd be a great learning experience. Yeah, like an open micer, you know? I mean, you learn from hanging out at bands' rehearsals and stuff, right, when you're a kid. You know, you're at a band. I was like a young kid had an older band's vicious rumors. You know, that band there, they're like a metal band, and I would hang at their rehearsals and learn shit, you know? Well, I know, like, if you're a guitar tech.

Yeah. Right? Right? You've obviously a guitar tech. You're a badass guitar player, right? No, no. Not really. Some guys learn the...

Because you have to, like, tune. the chords for the guy, whatever the hell it is. So you have to be learning something along the way. Yeah. I mean, there's people in this town that come in as comedians, and that's what they do. And there's other guys that end up writing and doing a little bit of television,

and you just learn along the way. You become sort of like a master of everything. You know, Prince could play everything. You can't play a bunch of fucking instruments, can't you? I play the radio. Right, okay. You play the fucking radio. But Lemmy was just one of those guys

that learned it. A the fucking Z. You can't go to Lemme right. You go to Lemme right now and go let him go on tour. Can you come and look at the stage set up? And he'll go there and just point little things. Make the curtains blue.

Make this red. Just things that you learn from fucking doing it that somebody can't tell you. Yeah, but the problem is you want to understand what he said. What he's saying? Right. Yeah.

I love him. I love that talk to it. You know, he's the speech. It was a good one. That's what he. All right, so here you are, whatever the fuck, the first band,

and then you move on to Ozzy. Quiet, right. And then you go on this tour that lasts. God knows how long. You guys didn't even expect that type of success. They used to last for a year and a half.

For a year and a half. And he is hit his with Lemmy and Motorhead. Well, yeah, the Aussie. Well, actually, the first, yeah, it was the first leg of the blizzard of Oz. tour. And the end of the tour, we went over to England to a place called an event, a festival called Port Vale, and this is in 1981. And Motorhead headlining, Black Sabbath with Ronnie was supposed to be the band that were going to play before Motorhead, you know, like special

guests. And they pulled out for some reason. So Motorhead asked Ozzy, hey, you guys want to be the one. So we actually, we took the Concord because we were. We had like one day to do it. To go back and play and come back, right? And we did the gig, and then we got back in the Concord and got to New York before we left London. You know, we left like 8 o'clock, and morning we got to New York at like at 7 or 6. You know, there's something ridiculous. The Concord.

The Concord, yeah. Yeah. That's rock star shit right there. No, no. Rockstar shit is watching Ozzie peeing outside the bathroom because he couldn't get in the bathroom in the Concord. No. Yeah. No fucking.

Yeah, yeah. Oh, he pissed on the wall at the Concord? Yeah. Well, on the door of the bathroom. Yeah, there were like three or four bathrooms on one side, and he couldn't get in, like, there was Aussie pissing. Oh, my God. Did anyone see him?

I did. Did I say anything? No. No. Fucking Motorhead is our opening band. That's... It was sick. Because I remember going to see the Palladium show, it was Motorhead.

And going, who the... Fuck of these savages. Yeah. These guys are savages. You know, we put it this way. Our bus was very clean because, you know, Sharon was trying to keep Ozzy out of trouble, you know, as best she could. So we had nothing in our bus. Then you go to Motorhead's bus.

There's like hookers and strippers and blow and vodka and pizza and whatever, you know, piles of people and all over the bus. Ha ha. Oh, yeah. Man. It's funny. That's what I think green rooms are going to be. And then any time I go in a comedy green room, it's probably more laid back than your bus with Sharon. It's like just people just sitting like it's a waiting room. That's a different scene, though.

Different scene. You know? I think now you're, you got to look pretty professional because you don't want the club owners to come back and go, these guys are just doing blow and they're all fucked up. I don't want them back, you know. I was telling somebody that day that I don't know anything. anybody who's a comic right now, that's causing any problem. Yeah. Nobody.

There's no, besides Cat Williams, you know, a couple years ago, God rest of still, there was a story about Mitch Headberg every other weekend, you know. There's always, when I started comedy, there was a couple guys that were still getting fucking hamming. Yeah. You know, George Lopez still had both kidneys. That motherfucker was getting fucked up in 99 and 2000. Yeah.

Then what's her name, saw him and got him on the show. But there was a time. I'm being in Miami with George Lopez and going, what the fuck is George? On the floor. He was on the floor. I'm not making a joke. On the floor. I had to do radio for him as a feature act.

He wouldn't get up the next day. George was the real deal. Mitch, every two weeks, you know, before that, you had Kennison. That was causing havoc. And last night you took pictures with Duff, Red Band. And I read Duff's book. Yeah. You know,

and I suppose Duff is clean now. Yep, absolutely. And you're clean. Yep. And you're clean. Oh, yeah. And everybody in this room is clean from, I mean, I smoked pot.

I love smoking pot since I was a kid. I do it just as, it's not like, look, I went and smoked the whole joint of shit that kills most Americans. I do it now just out of fucking habit. Just as stupidity. Any day now I'm going to wake up a thing.

I'm not smoking this no more because it don't do nothing. It don't do nothing no more. But it's amazing how your life changes. how at one time It was everywhere It was fucking everywhere Rudy Anywhere you turned You're on the road with Ozzy and savages

He played with Sam Yeah He played with Sam And that whole fucking scene there He made Ozzy look like a beginner And I remember that I used to When I, you know Till 8 years ago

I would go on the road And I'd get high afterward And yeah From time to time You pick up a victim At the club And they suck your dick And you gotta throw them out

The next boy Or whatever But I couldn't even, like right now, even if I wanted to, like sobriety for me from drugs has been easy because even if I wanted to, I wouldn't do it. It's like I don't see the, and you look at all, you know, I still remember slashing guns and roses on the American Musical War, whatever the fuck they were on that time. On television, national television, they were fucking gone. Yeah. They would just rip that Grammys, whatever the fuck it was, that show that one year. Yeah.

Yeah, American Music Awards. And now people just move on, you know. I just saw the final hours of Michael Jackson. Anybody catch that documentary? Yeah, that was great. He was fucking getting down. Yeah. I mean, Michael Jackson said, fuck it.

I'm wearing a wig, Jack. I need to get it. I mean, he was fucking putting shit in his body we wouldn't dream about. But besides that, as musicians, I don't know anybody who's really drugging it up anymore. Comics? What do we? My green room has nothing. as waters.

Yeah. Waters. I don't have blow. I brought bananas today. Bananas to a fucking thing. It's amazing how you evolved. You never thought of that. When you were on the blizzard of ours and a couple bands after that and Sam, you would be there like going, when does this shit end?

I was talking about that the other day. Would Sam still be getting high if he was a lot? You know, you just brought up something really interesting. Yes, absolutely. And I've got to tell you a bit of it. It's, uh, and this is, I'm not saying this is the way it is, but this is an observation. I think that what happens is, you know, you start getting successful and you become untouchable. You become unbreakable, bulletproof, and then shit happens and it brings her right back down to Earth.

You know, like, in my case, it was Randy. Randy on the plane crash. That has like brought me back to reality, you know. But I think today, and I love to hear your opinion on this, because of social media, I am in direct contact with the fans. We have lost that putting musicians in a pedestal. Mistique. You know, mystique.

It's all like we're, you know, we're all at the same level here. So that becoming unbreakable, untouchable doesn't really exist anymore because you become really transparent to these people. They really know, I mean, they know what my wife looks like, my little dog. You know, they see pictures of my house, the picture of me hanging out, you know, stuff like that. The walls are down. The walls are down. So that gives you a little bit more of center. You're more planted rather than to be like feeling like you're untouchable, like above anybody.

And I think that's what happened. When people start thinking you're above anybody, that's when you say, well, I can take more drugs than anybody else because I'm above everybody else. Look at me. I'm successful doing all the stuff. I mean, I'm sure Ozzy is great as a person. But most people don't pee on plain doors when they have to wait for a bathroom. He's from England. Have you ever been to a pub in England on Saturday night?

No. There's more piss on the ground that there is beer on the bar, I'm telling you. It has to go somewhere and everybody misses it. Usually there are troughs. You walk into the men's bathroom. It's a trough. It's not like these little toilets like we have here. At the festivals, they actually have piss walls.

I've never seen anything like it in Europe. So you're at a big festival, the size of coach. and you'll just walk up and go, what is that? And it's like a hundred foot wall. And dudes are just pissing right there in front of everyone on a wall. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah.

And that's the way he was brought up. So he sees the wall. Well, he pissed him to the Alamo. Come on. Yeah. You got arrested for that. Yeah. He's from Birmingham, which is an absolute ghetto.

You know, just like, you know, the bottom of Europe. It's actually pretty nice now. Now it is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. It's nice. Did you ever watch his documentary? Yeah, Ozzy. You know, when he was born, it had been like maybe 10 years since the war ended. This place was dilapidated. It had been bombed by the Nazis.

You know, so you're being brought up next to rubble, rubble, you know, buildings all destroyed and everything. Absolutely. You know, so you grew up in an environment like that and you have certain, you know, ethics. Also, the, I think the pressure of. being the rock star gets you to get crazy too. Well, that's that pressure that I was telling you, you were telling you about.

It's not even pressure. It's like this false sense of being, you're successful in people like yelling at you and chasing you and you could create this full sense of like, wow, I'm like really cool or untouchable or unbreakable, nothing, you know, and then you start doing stupid things.

You know, but now I think everybody's a little bit more, more grounded. Grounded. And that's it's just, you know, in the 70s, Jesus, you heard about a band every fucking week. And there was no internet. No, I know, right. There was no internet. And you heard, you know, different rumblings. And then, you know, I went to Union City, Pastor Music.

And everybody who plays the garden goes to Pastor music. That's just the way it is. You'd see him, you know, the time I saw Dwayne Aldman and fucking share. there. I was like, what the fuck is this? And I went in there and I started taking bass lessons. And the guy was telling me, every time these people come into New York, they come over here. They do the garden, they come over to

the pastoral music. It's been there for 50 fucking years. Yeah, yeah. And you just heard rumblings of this and that. You don't even hear that anymore. You know, Drake, these black rappers, they don't do nothing. They drink champagne out of a fucking thing with a straw. They got a bottle of that shit. Then they drink that cough medicine. That's big

now. Yeah. Chris, whatever. Coding. I went to the doctor. They don't have it anymore at the doctors because of them. The coding stuff. Yeah, it's great. Yeah. I've never, I've never had it like what they do with poured into soda, but it's crazy dreams on that. I drank it. You have psychedelic, radical dreams on it.

I couldn't believe it. You're like, whoa! You wake up, like, I mean, whatever's in there makes you see monsters. You know, when you're sleeping? I was never a coding guy. I had friends that were into that shit, but it's just, it's not, I couldn't imagine doing what I did 15 years ago. I'm going on the road now. I couldn't fucking imagine.

Well, here's a good example. This is how clean the slate is. This is how clean the slate is. We lost Scott Weil in last week. But over the last two or three or five years or whatever, you would hear rumblings, like that he was still, you know, like he got a DUI on his birthday, hit some cars and stuff. He was like the last, really, of the radical rock star, you know,

the one that was still carrying the flag, sort of speak, of like hearing stuff, right? I mean, I would know. I would know. You know, that's, you know, growing up, I, I work with a lot of musicians who have mental issues. And I got to tell you, rock stars, you know, anybody who's labeled a rock star can get away with anything, get away with anything, things that actors, athletes, politicians, nobody else

can get away with. And just because you're a rock star, oh, you know, you're a rock star, of course, you can do that, you know. What baffles me about the rock star is that they'll never give up. Like, that's the rock star I love. Like, you're a rock star, so I hate to tell you, you're a rock star. You have everything, your aura, your persona, you know, whatever that word, it's a rock star. You did it, you did it.

But there's people who are fake rock stars. But the rock stars today, from that era, have not changed. The other day I was scrolling through and I watched the heavy metal thing and I saw poor Michael Shank I think I called you. Poor guy didn't even know what planet he was on but he's still a rock star

He don't get a fuck He still got the blonde hair With the fucking chain Another jacket He's a fucking rock star And he'll be you know Some people one day go You know what that's I don't do this no more as much

I do this part time I'm changing my wardrobe You know these guys have held on And you gotta love it Kurt Hammett You know These guys are just And I respect

that. Just because you're not in the war, you're still in uniform, bitch. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? You can't be in you. It goes both ways. I got a question for you guys, because for me, as soon as I get off the stage, I'm already thinking the next time I'm going on stage

because to me, that's right, that's home. Yeah. It's weird. I feel more comfortable on stage than I do crossing the street. As long as I know what, you know, what songs I'm playing, you know, if, okay, I got it. Okay, so I just get up there and do it.

And I get lost. You know, I'm a different musician with every band that I play. You know, with Ozzy, it was different than choir riot and White Snake and so on, you know, because I just get caught in the spice that everybody else brings in, you know, the flavors, you know, everything. Because every band is different, you know. Let's say I would be doing Black Sabbath songs with Ozzy. I did a whole record, you know, Speak of the Devil. Then I did Black Sabbath songs with Ronnie.

It's a whole different Black Sabbath songs. out with experience. Really? Oh, God, yeah. Yeah, completely different. It's a different element that each individual brings in the band. So you have to feel that. You have to be aware of what everybody's communicating and putting out energy-wise, you know.

And I don't have that in my life, you know, I have a very normal existence. You know, I've got my wife over 31 years. I'm my little dog. And I have a home. I got a brother. You know, my father. and all of that. But it's when I get on stage,

that's the person that you probably connect with. The guy that you remember me, oh, I remember watching you in a show or a video or whatever, you know. That's even more real me because there's no, there's no, you know, nothing, no parameters really is, you know, within. Complete freedom. Yeah, complete freedom of expression and being myself within the parameters. what I'm doing.

Again, you know, I'm a different player in every band because there's certain parameters in every band, right, in every band. You know, like I remember when I joined White Snake guy, you know, being aware of that, I told David, you know, hey, so what do you want me to do? And he said, be yourself. Okay. And I think of all the bands I've ever been in, that was the one that I just went fucking out of my mind on stage with, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It doesn't say just do yourself, okay, that's it. Yeah. When you play now, do you get, like, brought back to when you were, like, 25 or however you were when you started playing? Like, do you feel like you are playing now, or is it like you're just, like, zoomed back? You know, that is a really good question, and it's multi-layered, my answer to that. I don't know about you guys, but I find that if I do songs from, that includes past, band members that are not longer with us there's an element of pain when I play those

songs like when we do the the Randy Rhodes yeah when we did that you told me that you said that it was it's it's hard it's hard because your own stage and you're like in my mind I'm there man I'm there like you know I'm there at whatever gig pick it you know I'm at the garden you know well Randy wasn't there at the guard But, you know, we're doing like any, any gig, any gig, the San Francisco Day on the Green, whatever, you know, it's, I'm there. I'm there with Randy playing those songs. I never forgot that gig. You know, if I, if I do a choir, you know, recently I've been sitting, you know, sitting in, you know, just doing one song with Quiet Ride with Frankie, you know, because, you know, Gunzo and Quirei, we've been doing some shows together this year.

and one show I got into do Come and Feel the Noise and it was like, you know, I'm playing with Frankie you know, come and feel the noise. So, of course, it's all going to come back. You know, and there's an element of pain that I think every band that is a legacy band today

that's been around for over 30 years, they bring that element on stage, which is different from watching a tribute band. You know, like if you watch an ACDC tribute band, it's not the same experience I was watching ACDG because first of all, Bon Scott. Right, yeah.

I mean, Brian Johnson, great, incredible singer, but I'm sure when they do Highway to Hell or T&T, any of those songs, there's got to be Bon Scott on stage with the guys that were there with him years ago. He comes up.

He's got to be in their brain saying, shit, he's not here. Somebody else is singing the songs. You know, so you have that element of joy, of celebration of the music. You also have the pain. that your buddy

that you had this amazing journey with it's not there anymore yeah that's got to be interesting right it's fucking beautiful like you're like we're playing that Randy Rhodes thing

and you just you're playing this tribute to a guy like to me I'm jamming with you at the thing and I loved Randy but you played with him

and he was a brother so it's responsible for my career exactly so it's got to be really weird I'm up there like giving a tribute and to you, it's a lost brother. Yeah, I mean, the same thing with when Ronnie passed away, you know, Wendy,

Wendy actually masterminded this. It's called Deal Disciples. And I did it for about six weeks. And it was exactly Ronnie's band. You know, you got Scott Warren on keyboards and Goldie on guitar and Simon on drums and me. The band, Ronnie's band, but we had two singers, Tim Ripper Owens. And another singer from England. And as good as the band sounded, it was painful, man.

Because you just, no matter how great the band sounded, you just, even the better the band sounded, the more I miss Ronnie, not being there. You know, because it's, yeah, it's painful. This is one of the best conversations I've had on the podcast in my life. No, man. You just opened up my mind. Because you know what made me call you?

The other day, about two weeks ago, three weeks ago I'm driving, and I hear Di River Metton, whatever the fuck. I heard it on the way over. It was on today. Yeah, yeah, it was on today. Yeah, it was on today. As I was pulling in.

Boneyard, exactly. This is unfucking believed. I couldn't believe it either. And I was in my house, and I was thinking about how different it would have. Like, listen, in my world, one day I went, I had sabotage, war pigs, and the first black sabbatow. That's all I had. Yeah. And my friends called me, and they go, we got an extra ticket to see Sabbath and some band.

I don't fucking know. the garden. You come, there was a cold night. I was a freshman in high school, and I went over there. And I was blown away, but my friends were like, they sucked. And all of a sudden, Ozzy and Black Sabbath break up. And it was February 19th. It was Bon Scott's, the day Bon Scott

died in 1980. And I'll never forget that I picked up Cream magazine. In those days, that was your, that's it. That's your Bible. That was it. Circus and Cream. And Cream had just stated that Black Sabbath had just replaced Ozzy's. Osborne with Walker first.

Before it was Ronnie Dame James Dio. And if you go online, they replaced Black Ozzy Osbourne with the singer from Savoy Brown. Really? As a matter of fact, go on YouTube and look for Black Sabbath even did tracks with him. It's fucking painful to listen to it.

Really? I never even heard that story. Wow. And you knew I owe me quit Sabbath and went to Jethro Toll for two weeks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then came back. It was like, fuck a guy with a flute. Fuck, yeah. I'm from fucking Birmingham.

I'm missing a finger, and you want to insult me with the flute. Flu rock, no. Flute rock, which you know what? Say what you want to say. I have some good songs. You hear locomotive breath, you want to run over a homeless dude. Yeah, you do. You hear, sometimes you hear love.

When you hear, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. And the shuffle in the chafel. And Mark, and look. Listen, bro, Martin Barre is no fucking joke. Yeah. That dude is no fucking joke. He's got like two or three jazz that Martin Barre goes off. So you've got to look for it.

It's like Black Sabbath. The name of the band was Savoy Brown. So his name was like Matt something. Heaven and Hell. Put Heaven and Heaven and Hell early recordings. You guys are going to die. That's crazy. So this was the question, by why he's looking for this.

I'm sitting there going, what if all this shit went down when look at that black Sabbath heaven and hell live in 1980 no no this is black Sabbath put with Savoy Brown black Sabbath was I saw it on then I couldn't believe it they have early

recordings of they did a fucking Savoy Brown was I guess a band yeah Savoy Brown yeah there it is Dave Walker interview Black Sabbath see he all the way number four. Wow. He played with Sabbath.

What's that photo show? These days. You know, we've seen the Dave Walker band. How's that going? All right, so fine. Black Sabbath with Dave Walker. Yeah, yeah. See, nobody even knew about that.

I never knew that. And I watched that Sabbath two-part documentary, you know? They had them for two songs. Wow. It was so fucking painful, listen to. They said, forget about it. Dave Brown. Dave Walker.

I'm sorry. Have you ever seen a photo of Judas Priest with the original singer? Yeah. That's crazy. Which one do you think it is? All right, put on Dave. There it is right there.

There it is. What I tell you? Black Sabbath, Junior's Eyes. What is it? 77. Told you, they were going to do it with him. This is the end of him. Let's hear this.

Oh, shit. Sounds like some 80s rock, right? Well, that's why they got it from, because this is seven. I know, right? Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Is that Tony Iommi playing a wall?

Yeah. Crazy. I told you. It's wild, though. I like it. A lot of people don't know this shit. It's heavy 70s, right? It's kind of cactus.

So we got nothing. We got nothing. And all of a sudden, I see this EP at fucking, in the village, the bigger, whatever it was. And it was the Blizzard of Oz. But he had tried to form the Blizzard years earlier. Like in 75. Well, somebody gave him a shirt.

Right, somebody gave a shirt or something. The Blizzard of Oz. The Blizzard of Oz. Something happened early on that he had thought about that. My question was, like, I've seen you guys at the Palladium, and there was two shows that night. Think of this. If this would all went down with the Internet,

And people would have known. People didn't know. Like I said, there was cream and fucking circus, and that's it. You know, and in those days, you had a mail-in for tickets. Yeah. I think I paid for your tickets at the Palladium. But the shows at the garden before that, like, yes, and all the who, all those shows that came to the garden. You had a mail-in of money order for four tickets, and then they would send you four tickets back in the mail.

You knew that, right? That's so sketchy, man. No, that was how they were. No, but I'm saying, like, what if your tickets got lost, man? No, it works perfectly because you got four of your buddies. You bought four, you bought four, I bought four, and I bought four. In those days, let's say the yes came. They came for five nights.

So if you got four tickets for Monday, you got four tickets for Wednesday, you got four for Thursday. We got to see yes, four nights. So we went to see them Monday night, and then we go back Friday and go, wow, they were a complete different fucking bag. You go every night? You wouldn't, like, try to sell the tickets? No. Fuck no. I go every night.

For $8, $10? I was going to see a ticket. I thought they were expensive. There was no idiot standing online. 850, 12, 50, 1550 was like fucking orchestra seats. Like 1950 at the garden were like red seats. I got straight to the floor. Yeah, straight to the floor.

I always went straight to the fucking floor. That's a be a good shirt, right? Van Halen, straight to the floor. It was just amazing how different it would have been for that band that was so revolutionary. at that time, right there, boom. They just came at the Blizzard of Oz struck perfect. That's why they blew up like they did in that time.

But it was, if they would have had the internet, it would have been a fucking world arena tour. Because everybody was waiting for this. People were waiting for fucking Ozzy and pulled the trigger. I guess those last three sabodontas, people just didn't really like. I liked them. I loved it. I love never say die in technical ecstasy.

People not technical ecstasy. If you put technical ecstasy on Twitter, people would hit you. you're back. Rule number one of Black Sabbath. What's the thing from Fight Club? Don't talk about technical. You don't know how many times I've played, you won't

change me. And people have come back and said, rule number one of Black Sabbath, don't talk about technical Xxia. And I've giggled in the morning on Jesus fucking Christ. You know, what's funny is I saw Rudy. I was

season night I was a sophomore in high school. Their first super big gig, Dan the Green, they play Oakland. So it's like heart headlining. And this is 65,000 people at the Oakland A stadium. And I was only going to see, you know, Ozzy. Yeah, we went on like 10.30 in the morning.

Yeah. Yeah. But I got to tell you, if, you know, you're talking about the Internet and all that, not blowing up, I think that really helped us to keep her shit together. just think about the gig. Don't think about what everybody thinks about the band, which is what would happen with the internet.

You start getting messages, good or bad or whatever, and then that gets in the way. You spend too much time, you know, online, you know, social media, no, just think about the gig. You know, those three hours you're going to spend on the internet,

you're going to have your guitar on. Yeah, that's true. That makes sense. You know what I mean? And also, you know, Your head doesn't get filled with shit. Like, oh, my God, people are, they heard me play the, and they saw this mistake that I made on in Milwaukee on the third side. Yeah, it's like.

Yeah, you don't tell you. No, it's like, you're not dealing with anything like that. You know, we used to go to the mall just about every day, Randy and I, we used to go to, like, you know, bookstores to see magazines if they, you know, to see if an interview that Ozzy gave three months ago was finally printed. because that's how long it took you know when I was he actually one of his first circus magazine interviews that was like three months before you know when we were

on the road you know three months into the tour that's when the actual you know magazine came out it was printed nowadays is like you know it's overnight you know somebody does an interview something just before the stage is packed up it's already on online exactly

the whole show is probably all of that and you're so caught up in what what he said this, he said that, or people are thinking about what we're doing. No, you just, back in the day, in 1981, we didn't know, we just kept moving.

You know, we did a show today and, well, tomorrow we got another show and we're going to get up there and kick ass again. That's all, that's all we were concerned with.

Well, that gave you time to grow, too, and, and organically to become this killer fucking band, because if you were reading stuff, you might start second-guessing things. Yeah,

you might start believing your own. hype. You know, Hendricks has one of my favorite quotes. It's, I don't like compliments. They, you know, they get in the way of my plane. I fucking hate him. You know, Hendricks. Fucking hate. No, I love Hendricks.

Compliments. Oh, compliments. Oh, yeah. Yeah. After a fucking show, I fucking, they drive me crazy. You know, all that shit drives me fucking crazy. Because only you know how good you were. You really do. It's your expectation. Yes, you should.

Yeah. Yeah, we know. Yeah. When we walk up. And they go, that was the greatest. And you're like, no. No. No. That was pretty.

I call Lee all the time and Lee will say, I do. I ate shit. Really? I can't figure that out. Yeah. And I know if Lee was there, Lee go, you didn't eat shit. But in my mind, I ate shit. I stumbled through this.

I stumbled through that. It's, uh... Does it affect you when you make a mistake? Like, anyway... It could be one mistake that is so small that if you hear back the playback of that show, you cannot even hear it. But it sticks in your mind for the rest of the evening.

And every other note is correct. Just that one note that you may be like a little flub, that you know, it's within what, you play like 10,000 notes in a show and it's that one. Yeah. They go, oh, shit, you know. It's like that with jokes when you do the joke, just a hair wrong.

You did the punchline first by accident or something. You're like, oh, I'm fucked here. I just ruin the joke. And I'll tell them. I'll stop and tell them. Listen, I just fucked up that joke. Disregarded. They'll get a laugh and we laugh and we all know.

We all make mistakes. That makes you a human. That makes you them. You know, I'm saying now you're even doing better because, all right, I made a mistake. Fuck it. You guys, you know, comedians, what you do, do you sometimes stretch it out? Because we do that as musicians. You know, we don't play exactly the same thing every night.

Sometimes you go like, oh, let me try this other, you know, pentatonic riff or whatever, you know, Maybe in a different position or something. You guys do variations like that? Absolutely. Oh, every night it's different. Absolutely. I can't go on stage and do the exact fucking night after night after night. No way.

I got to switch it up. And if one night I get rid of a bitch, so fucking be it. If some night somebody gets hit with a glass and I riff on it, it's funny for 20 minutes, fuck it. They got their money's worth a different way. We still laughed about something. Totally. You know, I like to be in the moment.

I love for something to happen. They don't have to tell jokes. Yeah. I love it. Yeah, like Bill Hicks would say the act is last. You know what I mean? What would be your equivalent of jamming? Because, you know, in a band, you know, you...

Crowdwork. How would the crowd works jamming? Oh, it's riffing. Crowler. This guy's killer at it. I used to be really, really good at it. Yeah. But it didn't get you nowhere.

It doesn't cost too much commotion. And comics that follow you, now you leave them open to talk to him. Yeah. So you have to be really careful with it. If you develop in New York for some reason, you do it a lot more to kill material, and I was doing it for a long time, and then I had to stop. Sometimes, if I'm rocking and rolling and I got them already, then you fuck around a little bit. You know what I'm saying? You just go.

Not every show, though. You do it like maybe once every 10 shows I see. Yeah. No, it's terrible because I don't want to – it was such a bad habit. You know, the worst thing you could do is anything. A musician is pick up a bad habit. When I was a basketball player, I used to take it. take the rebond. I used to be a great rebounder, but I get the rebound and put it on the floor.

Why the fuck are you bouncing the fucking ball? Yeah. It took years to break that habit. And I saw it how, as a comic, you get into a fucking habit, and boom, you know, for a long time, I had this habit of wanting silence. What comic wants silence? Yeah. Because I was testing them. I would try the test.

We just go through so many phases. Yeah. And you try so many fucking different things. And you have to stay who you want. You have to try different fucking things. I just, I'm more conscious of them now because people are paying for the tickets. Do you understand me?

I'm more conscious now. You know, when I go to the comedy, it used to be that Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, you went to the comedy store. I wouldn't even think about it down the road because I wanted that organic joke to come out. There's nothing like 40 people, which is 80 set of eyes looking at you,

pressure. You know, it's like I stated something when I watched around the Rousey fight that you could tell that she didn't get punched in the face during practice. Nobody hit her. It's equivalent to a comic doing material in front of a mirror. Nothing bad is going to happen to you. You're going to do great every time. It's like when you beat up a punching bag. Who loses?

Yeah. Who loses to a punching bag? Yeah. You got to get out there. You know, you got to get out there. I can't imagine how a band does it. Like everybody in note, every night. tight and sure the tour

starts a little fucked up but after a year always does always does but after a year Jesus fucking Christ machine Jesus fucking Christ you know yeah

and I'm sorry how do you because when it's Joey or or Dean you can make a decision to change your joke you don't tell anybody you guys do you have a signal or how do you let them know

during a show when there's 50,000 people cheering how do you say oh I'm going to go a little bit long here or do you plan it that's a really good question. I've got to tell you, if you're in a band, you're playing for in front of 50,000 people, every show is going to be the same every night. And I'll tell you why, because of production.

And once the production got huge and automated, technology came in, and all the lighting directors, you know, there's actually guys, the LDs, who actually come in and they not only program, but they create a stage show. Very rarely does the guy who actually creates the production goes on tour with the band. I know a few, but mostly there's guys who make a living out of, you know, they get a phone call from band A and he goes there and designs all the lighting, the lighting rig, everything, he'll program it. And it's the guy who goes on the road, his job is to push buttons and make, you know,

he might stop the lighting sequence between songs, but usually it's all rig, means that you as a musician, you have to know where to stand, a spot on stage, every song, every section of the song, because otherwise you're going to be dark. Yeah, bombs and fire, too. It's all times. All those fire and bombs, smoke. Absolutely. So there's no room for jamming, you know, because everything is, the bigger the band, the bigger the production,

the more constraints you have as a musician to do everything. exactly the same night. And a lot of bands have backup tracks, backing tracks. So that's even more restrictions there because you've got to start the song and end the song exactly on the same bar every night. They play to a metronome and these background vocals trigger right on the spot. It's called radar. It runs perfectly with the song.

So if you're off a little, the backgrounds would come on later. You know, you're like, oh, fuck. Yeah. So, you know, things are changing back around the middle of the 80s when bands are getting automated productions. Before that, you know, like when I was working with, you know, with Ozzy, a blizzard of Oz, it was just a bunch of guys get up there and you start the song. Sometimes Ozzy will walk off the stage and disappear. Yeah, and a couple of dudes with those spotlights, remember? They'd climb up before the show. That's how you knew the show would start, remember? The guys would go up those scary-ass rope lads. and be up there with their fucking spots and that was the lighting yeah you know I saw you in April of 81 and then Randy died in May of 82 March 19 82 yeah and then the tour came back to my hometown with Brad Gillis which show was that Di River Madman they played the Metallands metal lands yeah Brad's yeah it was fucking

a different stage yeah yeah because I remember at the point There's not much you could fucking do. It was a picture Ozzy, some dragons and whatever. But once you got to the Metallands that October, the fucking King opened up and the castle and now that you can't stretch. You know, you watch VH1 every other Friday. They got the song remains the same. Oh, yeah, I love it. And they edit it down and they cut it and they put tracks in it and the whole thing.

But you could see they were just up there. But there was no production value. There was two explosions during. Moby Dick or something. Yeah, no quarter. Oh, yeah, yeah. And that was the fucking Wawa thing with the hand. Beside that, they would just look at each other and just fucking go, right?

Bonham would just control of show. Those guys were jammed. Yeah. They just jammed, you know. That's not going to happen today where, you know, you're going to come up. We were talking about curfews. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Union. Union curfews, you know. Triple time. Triple time. The green coach in the garden. You know, I remember going to the garden and seeing the new barbarians, and they went on until fucking 12, fuck the union, you know, but that cost, you don't realize it. But then you go years later to see Don Henley at Fiddler's Green, and you got to be off by

945. Those white people will fucking call the cops on you, dog. Yeah. They pull the plug right in the middle of the fucking song. Red Rocks is very nice. They got a fucking curfew too up there. It's so weird how you figure somebody goes up and goes, listen, we're pulling a Dave Chappelle. Yeah. We're doing every fucking song we ever wrote, okay, backwards.

Yeah. We're here till two in the morning. Call on six right now. They played every song they ever wrote one concert. Every song. It was like eight records or something. They did it. Every house of blues that I played at,

there's a clock on the side of the stage. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, everywhere. That's everywhere. Yeah, and if you go over one minute, they start ducking like, you know, $1,000. Triple time. It's amazing.

It's the house of blues. Yeah, yeah. You know, there's something really weird going on lately with music. that I've been reading about. I just heard things about. What's going on with the Eagles? Something's fucked up. They're receiving an award,

but I guess they told the poor long-haired guy, he can't show up. And they, I mean, the guy wrote Hotel California. Something happened to Glenn Frye, though. He's getting a surgery, and he said from years of party and whatever, he had to go in and get a surgery, and they're going to get the award next time.

They pushed it a year. So he went into surgery. Google that. Glenn Frye surgery recently. Something happened to him. But, yeah, the other guy, Don Feldner's out. He's fucking... Oh, Goelder, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, he's like, I don't know what I did. You know, he's... But if you watch that documentary, you see him fucking up throughout the thing, you know? He wants to sing. I'm a singer. Like, when they get to the long run record and, you know, everybody... Well, the thing was they promised him they were going to sing. Yeah.

They always promised him a song. Yep. And I guess they pulled them out of the song. studio for lunch and they had what's his name Don Henley sing. And then they said, why would we have you sing when we have Don Henley? Yeah, and he said that but they also said that would come

back to haunt him. Yeah. And then when they got back of, you know, when they got back or something, something they went out as they weren't really a band anymore. There was something like employees. Oh yeah, yeah. Four of them were the band and Don Felder became the employee. That was when Hell freezes

over to her 96. And that's what he told him. He goes, this is the deal you do. I mean, they don't like them. all. You could see, and I figured he's like the guy that's still doing drugs. Like they showed up to rehearse, like, with the bottle and they're like, uh, we got short hair now. We got short hair now. We got

our money suits on. You brought Budweiser. I came in a Lamborghini. Yeah, you know, he showed up in a fucking Z-28 and a 12-pack. Like, we're back. Z-28. We're back. And the Eagles are like, uh, we're getting

250 a ticket. Yeah. You find it? Yeah, it's exactly what you said It just due to all of his parting He needed to push it back a year Yeah, a whole year So something's wrong with him He said he was going in to get a surgery

You know Well, they only award those things Yeah, once he had the Kennedy honors Yeah, Kennedy's in honor Yeah, yeah, so that's what it was They think that They feel that everybody should show Randy Meisner

Everybody should show But the Eagles are like now I feel that too I feel that anybody that was there To keep you going through the eras should be up there even with the

Rock and Roll Hall of Fame you know you can I mean when it came down to Kiss guys you know you got

Peter and Ace definitely should be there and they should play together you know don't you think so I don't know I think Kiss is really

an anomaly yeah because it's kind of like a it's kind of like a team and a team by that I mean it's uniform Right.

There's a Kiss uniform, which is their costumes and the makeup. And it's even, there's a copyright to those things, right? And well, look at Kiss without the makeup, business-wise. Yeah. Wasn't as big as Kiss with the makeup when they got back together again with the makeup. And, I mean, we're talking different between, as a matter of fact, Kiss supported Whitesnake in 1990 without the makeup. They come back with the makeup and they're headlining Dodger Stadium.

Yeah. You know, so it's, that's really an anomaly in the business. I'm just talking about rock and roll hall of fame or whatever, or awards where guys were on records and wrote songs and stuff. Oh, absolutely, yeah, from that point, yeah, as far as musical contribution. Yep. Yeah, absolutely. Well, I would have to imagine that since the love is so big for those people you were talking about,

that the hate would probably be just as big if you hated somebody, you're probably not going to want to be in the same realism. When you as a band getting to a room and decide, listen, guys, we're going to be completely different from everybody else, rewrite some of the rules of rock and roll and the music industry,

and we're going to put these outfits on. That's really going to separate you from everybody. And that, to me, that becomes a corporation. That's a business decision to do that. They say, listen, we can't really compete with Led Zeppelin or whoever because we're now.

We might not be as good as they are. But what we can do is create this. And they created this mega, you know, corporation, Kiss. Yeah. That's a show. It's a show. It's what it is, you know. And it's, to me, yeah, they're really good players.

I think genius is a really good bass player. I think he's really underrated. But business-wise, that was genius. That's where the genius of Kiss really lies in creating kiss. the whole kiss is the kiss world kiss empire incredible right even the manager bill of coin genius it's just fucking you know the whole thing is totally genius never done again i mean tried to but never like you know i mean you couldn't do it now because of dm z and shit you never saw those guys faces for like 10 years right it was just bandanas i tell you when i when i uh moved to l a in the

mid-70s. I got a job at a place called McNatrals right across from Tower Records on Sunset. And on my first day, I'm learning the register, you know, and I'm like, and I look up and there's Paul Stanley. You knew it was him? He looked like Paul Stanley

without their makeup. Wow. And I'm like, oh, I got, you know, I'm like, oh, my God. And so he orders, he's ordered the same thing at every time that he came in was a Wonder of the Orient, which was a Brussels sprout, and salad with a scoop of tuna and a small carrot juice.

He had that every single time he came in. Your memory is incredible. I love it. Like when I had you on the podcast, he can drop dates and, you know. How many times have Paul Stanley come into your... I know. I know. I know.

I mean, you got a great memory, man, because sometimes I start getting foggy. It was like, what year is that? You know what I mean? It's like I saw Sabbath and Ozzy or whatever, but then I only know like maybe one or two years because of when Blizzard and Diary came out. After that, you're like, I don't know. It was in the 80s or 90s. You know what I mean? You know, I was thinking about when I was in New York last week, I was driving in heaven and hell came on.

And I thought about how much I wanted to hate that fucking out. Like as a true Ozzy fan, like when they split, like I was going with, Like, fuck Black Sabbath. All right, fuck Black Sabbath. I don't need this shit in my life. And Heaven and Hell came out the owl. And I remember like, I ain't buying that shit. And then like Guy Tabasco, the Tabasco family next door,

they all had long hair and went to Van Halen. They bought it. And they were like, you got to listen to that. Dog, I'm not listening to this shit. There was no more of an album than I wanted to fail than that album. And today I love the fucking album. Love the album. And Dio bothered me.

First time I saw Dio was in Philadelphia at the spectrum with Shaken Street. And what's his name? The singer from Van Halen. Oh, Sammy Hagar. Sammy Hagar and Shaken Street. And Ronnie Montrose. Wow.

And I drove from Jersey to Philly. Was it Gamma? The band Gamma Montres Ben? No, no. It was Ronnie Ma. And then I saw him again open up for EZ. D.C. at the National Coliseum. Yeah. Ronnie Montrose, but it was so weird.

I was Montrose, shaking street, and they were spitting at Sammy Hagar. Because Philadelphia, they got no class. They're savages, those people. At the spectrum, and they couldn't spit long range, so they would spit on their fingers and flick it. And you would see Sammy Hagar singing, and the spit flying over. And then Dio came out, and they opened up at War Pigs, and I was insulted. Yeah.

Like, I'm like, what is he doing? And I'm like, what the fuck is going on here? And we had six road tickets And my friend did purple He thought it was acid But he fell asleep at the show So for years we kept saying dog Remember the time he did those purple ludes?

They weren't fucking ludes They were acid asshole I was tired But when he came on He's like generals gathered In the masses Just like no we gotta go We gotta go dog

We gotta go This guy's out there fucking butcher I was furious He was a short little guy, Dio dressed in black And then they did war pages And he did something different Like it was different

And I was into Let's give this guy a shot And then he stole my heart man In a weird way Dio had me competing You know, it was the album You wanted to fucking hate With everything I got

You know I wanted to hate it I ended up seeing the tour like two times Yeah Well we got lucky they broke up Because we got four masterpiece Records We got the Blizzard, Diary, Mob Rules, and Heaven and Hell. So, see, Mob Rules, I had already tapped.

Oh, no, that fucking record is a master. Also, Dehumanizer. Dehumanizer. That's an amazing record. We get five fucking records. It was right after Mob Rules. He got that for a minute. They got Ian Gilman.

And then he comes back and they do dehumanizer. Yeah. Which, by the way. Is it really good? Oh, yeah. And I'll tell you what. I was done. What year was that?

Oh, I don't know. Late 80s? Yeah, late 80s. Okay, because I remember still, Lonely Diver, whatever the fuck. Oh, well, he, that's his soul. That's his soul. That was 83.

Yeah, he got Holy Diver. Whatever was in 83. Last in line, all that shit. We should let you listen to it for the first time. What's a good song from Dehumanizer? Oh, no, play Dehumanizer, the actual song. It's unbelievable. Really?

Yeah. Check it out. Yeah, 89, I was doing something different. Yeah. I was holding people up and shit. I tell, I talk about this record. over and over and over and over, born again, which everyone hated. And I saw the tour.

It was Ian Gillen in Sabbath. Hands down, one of my favorite records ever made. Really? And I saw the tour. It was empty at the Cow Palace and it was really weird and a weird vibe. But I loved it, man. When we were on the bill, it was sold out every single night. Unbelievable that fucking...

We mean choir right. Yeah, yeah, right. We were the opening band for them on the East Coast. How great was that record? record. 83. Yeah. Here you go.

Here's some dehumanizer. Show them what the cover looks like. This is Sabbath. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's great. Listen. Oh, no. You know.

You know, that was Ronnie. Yeah, this is too much. Yeah. Oh, you smoke and some bonkits to that. How great is that? Yeah, we used to do that song with Ronnie on tour. Call I.

Yeah. I would even dare even try to sing. It would be so funny. We would be touring with Dio and we used to do a lot of Scandinavian countries, Finland and so on. And Finland, they're very, Norway, a very well known for like black metal, you know, the bands that go on and burn churches down. And like, you know, if they have a chick singer, she sings like, oh, you know, cooking monster, chick singer, you know. And so they would always, you know, come in and pay respect, you know, to running. You know, after their show, they will come in and into our dressing room and say, oh, Ronnie, you're the reason why I sing, you know.

Oh, that's hilarious. And then they were like, oh, shake your hand, be polite. And then they will leave and go, do I sound like that? I'll tell you what, Mob Rules has Dio's best song ever. Sign of the Southern Cross. Oh, my God. It's his best song ever.

And if you don't know it. I remember the album. The actual song, Sign of the Southern Cross, is the most epic Dio song ever. Check it out. It's falling off the edge of the world. That's another one. Oh, yeah. Children of the Sea.

Oh, my. These ones where they're really kind of ballady and he can get into it. When Ronnie joined. We were playing Heaven and Hell, the band Heaven and Hell, which is Black Sabbath by another name, you know, we stopped playing Black Sabbath songs. So we actually went deeper into the Deo catalog and Rainbow Catalog, where that's another incredible Ronnie James Leo era. Terra Woman? Oh, my. Come on.

Are you kidding? Yeah. He only did two albums with Rainbow, right? I think three. Three. Three or three. Stargazer? That would be the first one.

That's the first one. Well, actually with Elf, the Elf, the Elf band without the original guitar player, yeah. And then Rainbow Rising and Long Love Rock and Roll. That's it, Long Loans Rock and it's the huge one. That's a good one.

But Tero Woman. I remember one day I was going down the road in my car with satellite radio and I go, what Dio song is this? I've had all the Dio. And I was like, holy shit, Rainbow. And it's only like $4.99 on iTunes right now, that record. It's got Terrell Woman.

you know, and it's like six songs and it's an incredible Rainbow record. Yeah. And the genius of Richard Blackmore. What an underrated guitar play. Because everybody talks about Jeff Beck and Eric Clapton and Jimmy Page. Check out Richie Blackmore.

Were you friends with him? With her. Richie? No, I never met him. What did you hear about him personally? From Ronnie, they had the greatest sense of humor ever. Wow. Yeah.

He said he was the funniest guy ever to be around. Yeah. why didn't he ever keep a singer? Yeah, that's Chris. That's what I never got. Tony Bennett. Why the fuck didn't he ever keep a singer? I don't know.

I always heard little rumblings of him or what. Is he alive still? Oh, yeah. He's coming out this summer. He got a new singer and they're doing rainbow. Here you go. Oh, Tony Bennett. I want to be around.

I was all here a sign of the Southern Cross. No, I just You know, I let go of music Like once I went into the world It was over for me I had to dive in I had no more time to sit there The shit I was doing

I had a dive in dog There was no time I hear you I hear you're on the streets So I had lost that whole That whole music thing in my life And I was lost you know I didn't get back into music

Till Guns and Roses's appetite for destruction that woke me up out of my musical coma and I stood and go see him enough and it was just something that I listened until I bought that a couple of albums but I was lost for a long time. Good record to bring you back. Yeah. Man, you know, I talked to

what's amazing about Rudy is what people don't know is and I had them on the podcast is they were the first band, Quiet Riot. They opened the door for Motley Crew and everything after it.

Well, they say that one of the best documentaries right now. Oh, that's great. Yeah. That's great. Even one of my friends said it is phenomenal. It is just, it really breaks down. I guess they had the number one single of all time or the heaviest metal album. First band, man.

The first metal, what was, because metal today is very different from what was considered metal 30 years ago. You know, it has evolved. So we were considered metal, and we were the first debut record to reach. number one. See, I always thought that Led Zeppelin and everybody else had done that. Thriller. They knocked Thriller off the charts. Yeah, we had to knock Thriller off the number one spot to get to number one. We were selling a million a week. Yeah. He said they were, remember those masks?

Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They were selling a million of those masks on tour, the Kevin DeBro mask. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Unbelievable. A million. I know this is 83. Well, okay, okay, check this out. Back in the day, the average was about $750 ahead merchandise. So you have 10,000 people in the arena, the average average out to $75,000 in

night in merchandising. Without credit cards, we're talking cash. And would the band get that? Well, it was our money. And then, you know, we would pay whatever to the merchandising company. You know, they will take a percentage. And this is before the time when, like, you know, now you have like Life Nation. They own a lot of the venues, and they take about 30 to 40 percent of your merchandising money.

Back then they didn't, though. Yeah, they didn't. You just set up your shirts and walked with your cash. They take 40% of your shirts? Oh, yeah. Now you have merchandise. Oh, you guys should just like give them a card to your website, then. That's too much to give up.

Well, here's the thing. Now also, record deals are done on 360 deals because there's no record sales. So when you sign a record deal now, you give the label part of your merch, your touring, and your record sales. Or if you, you know, like, for example, Life Nation and all these other companies, they have a deal where they actually buy your record. You know, you make a record, and then they buy your record. They give you a set amount of money for your tour and the merchandise.

So they own everything. You just have to show up and do your gig. An all-end deal. A lot of times you'll tell the guy, hey, put me on the list, like a huge band, like say Madonna, and they go, yeah, I got to pay for your ticket. Exactly. Because they've been paid one lump sum for the tour. Yeah.

Well, the stills were one of the first ones to do that. Exactly. That's how I know about it so much. Yeah, you have auctions, and whoever the promoter won the auction, he bought every, he owned every seat. So if you were Keith Richards and you wanted your uncle to come to the show, you had to buy that ticket. Because you were paid a lump sum up front. It's pretty wild. People would be like, what do you mean?

You got no guest list. So you really want that guy to come if he's in your seat. You know what I mean? It's crazy how the music industry has just changed completely. And it still fucks you guys. It's still out to fuck you guys. It's never been. Music has never been a fucking paradise on your end.

You hear the stories and you go, what? What are you talking about? These guys sold more records than anybody. What was the label? Quiet, right, the first one? the uh pasha yeah yeah yeah yeah you know and i still in order for me to get my money i have to call my lawyer which costs me money to get my money so yeah they gave me my money eventually at some point but i got to pay my lawyer for that you know a lot of money for like years he didn't get paid he

had to battle to get it oh god yeah for about seven years we were uh you know we had to go to court okay so it's 1983 yeah quiet right gets this album ready break it down for me break it down from A to fucking Z Break down to what I don't have to tell me figures Which process

Just break down how it happens You guys have your eight songs Who was the album Who was the label? It was Pasha Records Distributed Who else that they have Pasha at the time

They had Billy Something Billy Billy Squire No Billy Ocean? No something children of the sun Billy Billy

Billy Yeah, children of the sun. Yeah, yeah, I know that tune. Yeah. All right. So, Pasha, who was distributed? Interesting, because Pasha, as a production company, had distribution through different labels. One of them was Capital.

Okay. Ours happened to be with CBS Epic at the time. Yeah. Yeah. You get the album. You sit down, we're going to do the album. How much do you get paid for the album? There's five guys in the band.

Four. Four. Randy Rhodes? No, no. No, no, Randy was... Oh, yeah, I mean, but original... No, no, we're talking about this. Oh, yeah.

Carlos, Carlos. Carlos, let's talk about this first. Frankie, Carlos, Kevin, and he. Okay, so there's four guys. Do they pay you to tape the album? No. It was all done on demo time. Demo is Pasha on the studio.

And let's say you canceled a session. The engineer will call, you know, one of the guys and say, hey, listen, we got time open for you guys to come in because we didn't have a deal yet. It was all done on spec. Spec time, it's called. Yeah. So, which, you know, after you get signed, that's when you pay for the studio time. It's in good faith. They're thinking you're going to get a deal. You get a little heat and they go, look, this band has heat. We want to use your studio in the middle of the night, like 2 a.m. We'll pay if they get a deal. Yeah. Okay. Exactly. Speculation. Yeah. Yeah.

Now, you and the boys got a call and you went in. How long is to lay the album down? Well, you know what? Well, the guys were laying down basic tracks. I was still in Ozzy. So the first time that I walked in the studio to record on the album was to do one song called Thunderbird that I used to play with Kevin and his band Dubrow. And then when Randy passed away, he asked me to come in to do that as a tribute to Randy on the record. And so that was the first song I recorded. then we had extra time

and the guy said, listen, do you remember Slick Black Cadillac? Let's get crazy. Slick Black, I used to play with Randy in Quiet Riot and then we did that in Dubrow. And then let's get crazy on the other songs which I already knew from Dubrow. So by the time I left, I had laid down like four or five songs from the album, but I was still Ozzy's bass player.

You know? And again, you know, getting back to the thing about playing from pain, it was very painful for me after Randy died, you know, to keep playing with Ozzy, you know, so I here I am with the guys from Quiet Ryan or Kevin and Frankie

and Carlos and I said, God, you know, this feels good. I feel like, yeah, this is like a joy. I just joy in my playing again, you know, which is what I wanted in my life, you know. So here I am. I leave one of the biggest bands in the world,

Ozzie, for like the total unnamed. known Quiet Riot. You know, that's how much pain I had. Which, by the way, what he's not saying is no one wanted Quiet Riot for years. So it's a gamble. Well, not only Quiet Riot, but the whole music scene. Yeah, the heavy metal.

Yeah, 1982, L.A. was all, you know, New Way. Yeah, New Wave and Punk. That was it. If you were not in a new wave or punk band, record companies don't want to know anything about you. When you said that Quiet Riot opened the door, what happened was, Quiet Riot

created a created some sort of within the industry opened the eyes of the executives that there is a market for rock bands and so you know just like it happened with Nirvana in Seattle you know they record companies locally in Los Angeles are saying hey these guys came from the strip who else is on the strip?

Well you have Motley Crews being around and you got rat and you got Dockin and gray white and so on. So, okay, well, these guys are ready to go. Let's sign them up too and, you know, promote them and make MTV videos and so on. So basically that's what happened. It's not like we, you know, we invented anything. You know, we were there, but so were the other guys ready to go. You know, so that opened the door as far as like creating an awareness that that type of music that we were all doing,

there was a market for, you know. And something that I got a glimpse of it because it was already happening in England and Europe, you know, with bands like Saxon. You know, Ozzy opened up for Saxon in 1981. That was part of our Diary Fem Edmund Tour, you know, in October of 1981, October, November. We also, we had Motorhead,

we have Death Leopard, so I was aware of like, Maiden. Maiden, Maiden, what was another, band, you know, all those guys that later became MTV staple. That's another thing, MTV. MTV was responsible for creating all of that. Lightning in a bottle. Right, right place, the right time.

All right. So now you put this out of the down. Yeah. They do the cover with the fucking masses. Just come on, feel the noise. Yep. Well, that was the second, second single, second video. First one was metal health.

Yeah. Bang your head. When do you see a dollar? When is your first dollar come in at this time? Yeah, as a matter of fact, the guys were getting gas money during the making of the record. There was no advances, no nothing. It was a production deal. It was like, you go, you record, and we're going to try to put this out with a major label as a distributor, you know, marketing, promotion, and all that.

So there was no advances, nothing, you know, which meant that we recruit immediately. You know, I think the cost of the album was like 32 grand. Yeah. To tape. Yeah, that was it. Okay. Including electricity and tape. everything, yeah, yeah, 32, which means that we recoup really fast. But also, you have to take into

consideration. When you sign a production deal, it's a difference between a cake and a, and a muffin. The cake being the big pot where everything comes out of, you know, and then a production deal is a percentage of the production deal, not a percentage of the deal, because you have the, the major label being the big pot the big piece you know the the big slice so our slice was smaller because it was predicated from the production deal you know side man it's like a middleman deal a middleman deal so now yeah part of the contract is they give you money and then album sale money correct to the band yeah or just the writers of the songs oh no no no yeah record sales yeah for life you get this. Well, we still do.

Okay. Yeah. Because I met people in Boulder who were radio cops. Yeah. Yeah. There's two guys in Boulder. That's what they did for a living. They made sure you guys got your money. Like ASCAP guys. Well, ASCAP at BMI. Yeah. And now it's done. It's different. Everything, old songs are coded and yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a different world.

I mean, now I make money from from airplay. And we didn't before. Musicians never used to make money from airplay. Now, anything being what they call non-terrestrial broadcast will make money from airplay. Yeah, it could be computer, XM, Sirius XM, whatever, satellite. Yeah. I met somebody in Hollywood 15 years ago.

Nice kid. And when I asked him, don't you work? And he goes, yeah, I'm on tour with the band that used to jump up and down, not the fucking guys from Marines County. I'm going to have so hard, we're so hot in the end, it really doesn't matter. Not those guys. Oh, but before

Lincoln Park. Before them there was a guy in the guitar play, and he was big, and they jumped around, and he was, they were going to make a comeback, and they were huge. I don't know the name. Sugar Ray? Like a sugar ray. He was a good looking guy. He was kind of bald. He was in a band, and he was

dating strippers. He was... Oh, oh, the guys... And now he Crazy Town? No, and now they do something else. It's Lincoln Park. No, it's not Lincoln Park. Yeah, I know that was Lincoln Park. It was before that, it was around that.

Anyway, they make a long story short. They were on tour. They were big, and he's producing now. They kept threatening to come back with a new guitarist for a long time. Libbiscuit. Lip biscuit. Oh, there you go. Okay, what's the guy's name?

Les Arkin. Yeah. I mean, Wes. Monkey. No, that's corn. West Borland. West Borland. No.

Fred Durst. What was the name? Fred Durst. What was the guy with a mask? West Borland. Yeah, okay. Yeah. So this man, this kid was in a band that was opening on the road. They had a song on the radio, he told him.

He goes, let me, because my song is on the radio. This kid was broke. Wow. And I go, how do you make money? He goes, we're going on on the road to pay the advance to do the song. I go, what are you talking about? I didn't know how, I mean, this kid was living off of me, and I had no money. Like, if I wouldn't got a burrito, I'd.

buy my burrito or something like that like a breakfast fucking bagel yeah and i'm like how the fuck are you on tour and he was telling me breaking it down and he lived around the corner with his girlfriend his girlfriend i guess maintained and but this kid was fucking opening up for limp biscuit on the road tall like he was home for two weeks broke wow and he was telling me how this is 2000 this is when they were you know napster and all this shit 98 whatever all this shit how is there no money you're on tour don't they give you you you nothing. So you're just on tour paying back the record label?

No, no. No, no. That's separate. I mean, the way that it used to be back in the day, the label did not touch anything of your live performance. That was back then. Now it's a 360 deal, though. Yeah. Yeah, now it's completely different. But back then, you know, there was a separation between label

and touring. You know, they were not tied in. Yeah. So your money was yours from touring? Yeah, from touring. Yeah, from touring. But then again, that's, but they would give you tour support. Which meant, yeah, yeah, it went into the promotion or, you know, of the album cost. You know, you paid for everything. Busses, sound man, lights.

And it was really culpable, of course, you know, tour support. Yeah. Like, you look at this guy like Ozzy who did nine albums and came out of there with nothing. Well, like, well. There's two different sides. Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, this is what happened. Ozzy was signed through management.

As manager, you know, Don Arden, Jet Management and Jet Records. It was signed to the label. Again, I know the production deal. They were on Epic. Epic through Jet Records. So if you look at an Ozzy record, it's a Jet Records label, right? And so, again, it was one of those situations. And Sharon was part of the management team.

Her dad was the... Yeah. But I gotta tell you, they invested. Jed Records invested money in Ozzy. They believed in him. You know, that's all... That first tour at Blizzard Boss, that was finance, advanced by Jed Records, who was also the manager, Ozzie's manager.

Yeah. Yeah. So they really believed in him. Yeah. It was a huge risk. A couple weeks ago, we had somebody on here and we were talking about the abuse that the Beatles did to this country. Like, these kids are too fucking young.

But if you were around the 66, 67, you know, the Beatles was claiming that Paul was dead. And, you know, he's walking around Barefoot and Sergeant Peppers and all this shit's going on. You know, Beatle fans had it the hardest. Beetle fans are like Catholics. They took a fucking beating. Then when they broke up, they kept threatening they were going to come back. You know, anytime anybody got popular, I went to see this band Zizi Top. They're fucking great.

some jerk off from the room will go, yeah, yeah, yeah, wait till the Beatles come back, they ain't better, and you lose the argument. You know what I'm saying? Like, but then John Lennon got shot, and the little piece of you were like, thank God he got shot. Because now the Beatles ain't getting back together, and I win my argument, you know what I'm saying?

Led Zeppelin is fucking better than the Beatles, you know? But it's so weird how, all right, all that shit went down with the Beatles and all that time. That music is so important to bring the country back. Like in the 70s, like I was watching that CNN show on the 70s.

He told me that. And they had 1973 there was $2 billion in music ticket sales. That's how many tours, right? Seventy-three. 73, who wasn't touring? Not only that, I mean, tickets were like

$10 or $5. That's a lot of touring to come up with that much money. $2.000. $2 billion. Fucking dollars. But if you look and you go, because you know me, I'm a fucking nutcase, I'm going to holly. I'm in a hotel and some shit town.

Jump down the rabbit hole. As soon as I saw that, I went online, you had to see, it's like who wasn't on tour in 1973? Who wasn't? Yeah. Stone, Zeppelin, Deep Purple, De Purple, Alice Cooper, Black Sabbath, Al John. David Bowie. El John was killing him. 73, he was just starting to fucking get warmed up.

Right. Well, that's crazy. If you think about it, each ticket averaged out to $10, that's 200 million seats. Yep. That they sold. Yeah, that's crazy. Easy. Did you watch that special? They're doing the 80s. Comes out in April.

I couldn't find it, man. I'm going to say who steals the show. Who? Fucking heart. Heart. Incredible. They show them, I mean, hoaring seed. I know. The chubby one was fucking skinny.

And that blonde came out and started doing this Bolero type thing. Like the light was just on her. And all of her and all of her and she just, and da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. And that fucking, boom-boom-boom, boom. Bo, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, Fleetwood Mac. I mean, it was just a different fucking time, you know?

So it's, there was so much fucking money. Where'd this fucking money go? Eagles. And you hear all these stories. You hear, you know, you hear CCR, another guy that didn't get fucking a dime. He didn't sign something or something, not a dime. And yeah, that's the other thing.

That's how you wrote that good music. You know, you sit here and you say to yourself, you know what, I did Coke for 20 years. I didn't get enough. good out of it. Oh, yeah. Something had to come good because all those motherfuckers wrote all those songs. Yeah.

And they were fucking writing all those movies, The Exorcist, they didn't write that on mocha latte's from Starbucks. I'll tell you that much. You know, it just brought something up, you know. Yeah. That just happens, you know, lately. It's, you know, I grew up with 60s music, and every single band that mattered to me had a political statement.

You know, politics and rock and roll have never been. divided. They've been united. As a matter of fact, I think that the best music came out of the six is just because of that. You know, people have something to say, something to stand for. Nowadays, I go online and I don't even make a commentary. I just

post something that somebody else posted. I get flamed. People telling me, oh, listen, no, we don't want to hear your political views because we just want to enjoy your music. You know, fuck you. First of all, it's my freedom of speech. You know, my right.

to express myself. Second of all, this is the problem with music today. It's like most bands, most artists don't have a political point of view just because they're afraid of like, I'm going to offend somebody. You know,

the best music, you go back to the 60s, CCR, you know, what is it? Fortunate son. What better political statement than that? Yeah. You know, nowadays it's like,

oh, you're going to offend somebody if you, you know, write a song like that. Look at the doors. You know, Apocalypse Now soundtrack. It's all freaking doors music. You know, that's what they were in the jungle. That's what they were listening to.

They were listening to the doors, man. You know, John Lennon doing a sit-in at a hotel room, you know, give a piece of chance, you know, all of this, you know, different political views, whatever. But people have something to say. And it was the musicians. Most of the time, Bob Dylan, another one, who actually gave you something to hold on to, something to believe in, you know, to stand by and say, yes, I agree with you. Thank you for putting it together into a song that I can actually, you know, feel it. You know, get it in my heart, in my soul, you know.

It was very interesting on that special. They spoke about how Marvin Gaye went to Motown and said, look. That's another one. He said, look, bro. I like what you're doing, but I ain't doing that shit with five black guys dancing behind me. You think I'm kidding you. That's what he told him. Watch the fucking special.

He goes, I ain't no cookie cutter. I'm not doing that. I want to write a song about what's going on. And he wrote what's going on. And it was brilliant. And then Stevie Wonder went in his office and said, I want to do what he's doing. I ain't doing it.

He put out four albums in a row that only match Pink Floyd's run. That Dark Side, Metal, War, Animals. Like Stevie Wonder, because they had something to say. I mean, it ended with songs in the key of life, which I was a little fucking kidding. My mom had the bomb. My head almost fucking blew up. You're right.

They didn't have something to them. That's what changed the music. That's what made you change. Sympathy for the devil. You know, listen to those lyrics. If those are not political, social political statements. You know, you're not reading it right. Absolutely.

And their whole battle, like, against the taxes and going into exile and writing exile on Main Street. Like, fuck you, you ain't taking our money anymore, you know? Back then, 50% were, you know. You know, they blazed, lived in a house and lived in exile. Keep all their money. We're at. You know? You brought a good point up last time you were on the show, and I'm doing it this year.

I'm going to like three or four shows this year. I've planned to go into three or four shows. Let my mind shut down. Black Sabbath being one of them. I don't care what the ticket costs. Yeah, Hollywood Bowl? Well, everybody's complaining that the tickets prices are too high. They're doing the bowl or the forum?

They're doing both. Okay, I think I'll do Hollywood Bowl. I'm going to see David Gilmore. I'm going to that. Okay. At the bowl. At the bowl. Yeah.

Okay. There was somebody else I wanted to see this year because that's it. You're right. You're never going to get a chance to see this again. I, for years, I just, I didn't want to go see somebody but sing with a lip machine or whatever the fuck it is. But you know what? I don't give a fuck. I want to go.

You know, everybody said that for years, Oz he had a guy behind a curtain that sang from his shit like the Wizard of Oz or something like that. You know what? I'm going to fucking go. It's inspiring. Well, the only way to write, the only way to be creative is to get entertained. Totally. Sometimes you have to go get entertained, you know. One thing about Rudy is you see all those old Kettison things.

Rudy was a fan of stand-up. No. Rudy liked Stan. That's how we met. Big time. He saw me at the Nokia and he came backstage. He said, man, you were great. Where was this at?

Who were you with? I was opening for Artie Lang? Yeah. You were opening for Artie. Yeah. I went there with Rich. You know? And he came back and I was like, oh, Rudy Sarzo. I was all over him like a fucking maniac kid.

And he said, you were great, man. And then he came to some other shows and stuff and did the podcast. And we became great friends, you know. But he was a comedy guy. And then I forgot about the wild thing and all that. And I was like, oh, my God, he was with Sam at the store and Wild Thing and all that. I got to tell you, most musicians that I know, they think that they're fucking funny. They think they're comedians.

that's all we do and the bus we take our music series and then we get off and we're just like fucking around all the time I think 40% of comedians

are musicians that didn't have the balls to go through with it like I still have doubts about going and picking up a guitar because I know I'm scared I know what's going to happen

yeah but how more scary can it be then just stand there with the mic in your hand and tell jokes man no no no no no I'm scared of how it's going to take over in my life.

I could see me at 56 doing a fucking Rudy Sarzo cover band. You follow me? I mean, I could see myself doing it. I could see it. I could just go, I could see myself playing, getting enthralled with it. Now telling my wife, fuck you.

I'm going to go on the road every week and do comedy. But meanwhile, all I really want to do is get in the whole time room playing my fucking guitar. Instead of snorting Coke. In the old days, it was snorting Coke. Sure, I'll go on the road. Christmas Eve, fuck. Yeah, Alaska, I'm there.

Because all I wanted to do is snort coke That's the only way I could do it by getting away from my girlfriend Yeah So I could see me doing the same thing I love the guitar that much You think you would travel with it? Oh fuck yeah Listen

Fuck these punk ass bitches who travel with skateboards Listen I travel every week and every fucking week I sit there And look at some dumb fuck bring something on a plane And I gotta ask myself Is it that important to bring a skateboard You dumb motherfucker So it's time for me to bring my motherfucker You think I'm kidding you. I'll get like a little

ukulele with a little, what do you call them, a pig nose? Yeah, yeah, yeah. In the old days, I'll fucking blast that hotel room from 6 to 6. I know it. I have an addictive personality, and it's something I've always wanted to do. Once I got the head to do it, it's going to scare me. I'm going to get enthralled with it, and next thing you know, I'm going to be calling Dean, how do you start a band and asking stupid musician questions?

And people are going to say, Joey actually thinks he's a fucking musician. Somebody better tell him he's fucking 60 fat and he ain't gonna be able to jump up and down you know fuck you i ain't what is that fuck you won't do what you tell me you might say that's you that's me that's me i'll be up there fuck you i won't do what you tell me let me give some shoutouts we'll get rudy out of everything all right rudy yeah yeah we're rucking you're beautiful motherfucker tasha howl i got the cancer brace and i'm going to put it on over the 12 days of christmas bob and beckin olivia lindon Lalingis, I love you, motherfuckers.

Thank you for the Bruce Lee book. Thank you for the present for my daughter. Thank you for Lee's presents. Yeah, they gave me the Red Sox. Oh, my God, those were amazing. Thank you. John and Ann Coulter, you know how much I love you, motherfuckers. I just met John for coffee, Robert Woolridge,

Armando Salgado, my main man, JT, always got my back. Chris Cordwell, Dante Gazini, and podcast quotes. I love you, motherfuckers. You know what I'm saying? What's up, Lisa? How are you feeling today? I don't know what you gave me, but it's strong as fun. I don't know what you gave me when it's strong as fuck.

You know what I gave you? I gave you the same shit they gave Aldolia, and I think those that motherfucker. That was just some good fights. That was a great fights. Those are great fights, man. Damien Maya blew my mind. Oh, please. I don't think he wanted to submit him.

I just wanted to fuck with him a little bit. Oh, my God. So I was taught, did I tell on the podcast what I did the other, my creepy, addictive personality? Yeah. I was telling you, before the fuck. that I went with Jim Norton after the Rogan show in Vegas. Oh, you gamble, yeah. Let's go to the casino real quick.

Let me go see what the lines are in the fights. And between you and me, I told Joe Rogan, I'm betting a thousand on Aldo, a thousand on Wyman, and a thousand on the Cuban, Romero. Oh, you would have lost? Oh, I would have lost everything. Romero barely won, the Cuban barely won. That little cheat, motherfucker. Did you see him holding the fence?

Out of the fence. And I walked over there, and I looked at everything. And again, like the rest of the things in my life, I became a pussy. I was like, I'm not fucking bet nothing. And I go, fuck yeah. Why do you come to Vegas show? You don't drink. You don't get your dick sucked.

You don't play wheel of fortune. You do nothing. You come, you perform, and you eat something, and you leave. Go do something with your life. Go at least add some fun. So I went over and I put $100 on the outdoor. But when I'm standing on the board, I go, oh shit. There's a bet for under three rounds.

And I put 50 bucks on that. 60 bucks. What the fuck I had in my pocket, 50 bucks? I went back to my room and I'm like, wait a second. That's the bed of the year. I don't even fucking gamble. Yeah. I can't lose. I can't lose.

This fight's going to end under three rounds. I called my wife. I woke her up out of a deep sleep and I go, do me a favor. Put $800 on my books. She's like, what are you talking about? What are you doing? I go, I'm going to bet. I got a bet.

She's like, Joey, what the fuck? You did not call your wife. Put $800 on my books. Yes, I did. I had like 300 out of there. I'd put 800 on my fucking books. And I got up at 5. When I called to get the wake-up call,

it was the Mandarin Hotel. These motherfuckers said, do you want a pot of coffee, Mr. Diaz? I said, you know what? Bring the pot and leave it in the valet box at 445. I go, you guys got breakfast, too? They go, yeah, we do. I go, listen, why fuck around?

Let's put the order in right now. Let me get two eggs, a little fruit, some wheat toast, butter, some juice. and no fucking potatoes. Give me fruit because I don't want to. Let me weak toast, whatever. Bro, I got up before the alarm went off. I ate it.

I was already packed. All I had to pack was my sleep apnea machine. I went downstairs, and I got a cab to the MGM grand, and I bet the rest of the fucking 950. So I bet Aldo for 100. And I never tell this shit. Even Lee, I didn't tell them what I bet. Yeah.

I bet not a thousand bucks on the fight were then under the third round. And I went home. And I knew it was going to win. I was more, you know, I sat there going, Jesus, I could have. And I had a great time. And I told my wife, she goes, what'd you do? How'd you end up making it out?

I gave her the ticket. I said, mail it in, bitch. That's fucking, Mary Christmas, motherfucker. She just looked at me like, Joey, you fucked up. It's yours. I don't give a fuck. I don't want the money. I was just proving a fucking boy.

I never gamble, dog. I go to Vegas, ass Lee for three days. I don't do nothing, Rudy Sarzo. He's a cold meal. Rudy Sarzo, the only thing I do is smoke e-cigarettes because you don't do nothing no more. How long can we stand there, Rudy? It used to be in the old days we got at least forget a Coca-Cola,

a Diet Coke and put a cherry in it and a lime and lie to people. Tell them we've got a rum and Coke. Now we don't even do that. It was Pepsi and condensed milk. Buy it. Pepsi? No, no, you really weren't. Condensed milk.

Oh, yeah, we were talking about Cuban eating habits and how Cubans could be 400 pounds if you let them. Because when you're a kid, you dip. Cubans get bread. And they put butter on it, and then they put it in the toaster this way, and they slam. But before you slam the bread down, you take the paintbrush filled with butter, and you put it on top of the bread. You watch this, Lee.

So you take the bread, you cut it, Lee. Then you Italian bread, like Cuban Italian bread, you put the butter in the middle. You close it, and you put it on the thing, you put butter on the thing, butter on top of the bread, and you slam it. Then you get the... You get a press at your house? If you don't have a press in your Cuban, you're slipping. That's like a Jew without a Yamika.

a secret, secret, secret bank account. Every Jew has a secret, secret, secret bank account. What do you got in the bank? Look, let's go to the ATM machine. I'm telling you, I only got $90. Come on, show me the real fucking account here. Show me the real one under your grandmother's maiden name. The fucker.

You got to have a press. Then your mother makes you a big bowl of coffee. It's not a cup like these fucking American. Let's go drink a cup. Give me a venti. What fucking venti? Cubans drink a bowl. of coffee that shit that'll kill a mule top ramen and they put fucking a whole milk in that

motherfucker with a tub of sugar then they wait for the toast to come on you take the toast out lee and you cut it across the middle so instead of two pieces you have four pieces now and you take that motherfucker and you dip it in the milk and coffee that's cuban that's cuban savage drink oh that's cuban savagery that's after the egg with the fucking egg on that's after the steak with the egg on top of it over the white rice and you slice the egg yolk and the egg yolk covers the egg and the white rice. It's called where walk? How are you? You understand me? If I want to, if anybody's skinny here and they really want to get fat, contact me. I'll give you what's called the Cuban diet. And then before you go to sleep,

Cubans do some for the late night. Like when I first came from Cuba, I was always under the impression. This is how stupid your Uncle Joey is, that chocolate was only to be. eating at night because the way I look at it said chocolate at late you know late so in my Cuban mind late meant you ate chocolate at night chocolate chocolate

I said chocolate chocolate chocolate light you have to eat that at night what the fuck Cuba said no we don't eat chocolate at night we got something better for you go get a can of a turva maturba Maturva is made from what root matte and it's delicious

it's sweet you take three inches of condensed milk. You put aluminum four to cover it. That's the old Cuban way. That's before the lid. You just get aluminum four and you pour that. This is what you do. You would put the condensed milk in the glass and walk away.

And it would just drip little by little. It's like when you fuck 18 times, that last nut, it just drips out of your nut and just falls on your foot. It was just like that, Lee. And you take three fingers and you put them a turban there and you stir that motherfucker up. And if you're real Cuban, you get Cuban crackers and you put butter on them. And you eat the fucking Cuban crackers with the butter. Or a Medianoche, which is named after midnight. Midnight.

Midnight sandwich, because you had that at midnight. Because if you went to sleep without food, you could starve to death in your sleep because you're not eating for eight hours. Oh, it should have been Cuban. Now, the Medellanoche and the Cuban sandwich are different. What is the difference? It's the pork and the pickle. And the pickle. The pickle.

Yeah. That's the Medianoche because the pickle might give you a nightmare as a dragon. and Cuban people chasing you down the street. I mean, what's that way? You got ham and pork. And pork. Double hard. You really, really want to get fat.

Like, if you're a skinny guy and you want to lift weight seriously and get 30 pounds, I got the recipe for you. Yeah. You know, I got the steak one. Which one? You have that for breakfast? Bro, when I was really dingy and skinny at one time, my mom would sit there once the emosive of cod didn't work.

Because I was raised on emosive of cod. My mother thought that the Moser of God was the cure-all-be-all. You know what the most of the card is? No. Emulsion de court. Bacalao. Bacalao, which is just another word for baccala. It's bacalalau milk.

I love that. It's like a hot dog for fish. The fins, the eyeballs, the guts, the stomach. It's like you feel the fish. They blend that up with milk, and then you take it in a teaspoon in the morning. Let me explain some to you. If every man over 50 takes an mouss of God, there'll be more fucking people being born than ever before.

Just bone or sitting? Bro, emosive of cod when you're six gives you hard-ons. You can't even fucking rest and watch Popeye. You just sit there with your mouth open. Like you're doing two pounds of heroin and cough medicine.

Immosive of cod, my mom would sit there and fucking stare at me and go, you're not going to school. Do you have this? And I'll beat you and you had to fucking take it and drink orange juice. It got to the point when my mom would just pour it into the orange, just like vodka, stare it and give it to me.

But then after that, you got to eat a steak over, you know, well, if you put a scoop of white rice, get scoop, get a coop, met him a choujaro on there, they give you a fucking spoon, flat over a thing, and then they put a fucking steak, a thin palomilla. That means they butterfly it, and you get like an eight-ounce steak, and then they put a fried egg over that. It's not fried in granola oil. Gronola oil.

It's fried in fucking butter, Jack. And lard. And lard. Mandeca et puigua. Mondeca de puigua. I sits by the window. It's pig fat. It gets hard as fucking concrete.

And they cut into it. They throw a chunk on the frying pan and it fucking sizzles up again. And you take that egg when it sizzles on the steak. And that's when you cut the yolk and you make the yolk go on the right rice. Has anybody ever eaten egg and white rice? Oh, yeah. I know. We have. And the back of your mind is fucking disgusting. I've eaten it. Don't get me wrong. Sounds amazing.

Would you fucking stop, Lee? But if you're skinny and you lift weights and you eat one of those every day, two yolks over a fucking steak and white rice, the possibilities are endless. What's that one you like? It's like meat with a sausage in the middle? Boliche. Boliche. And you tie Cuban pot roast with a chorizo in the middle. and you tie that fucking steak up around the chorizo

and the chorizo bleeds into the steak and then you cut it and it falls over. Jesus Christ, and you see the chorizo looking at you just there and you take the white rice and you put it to the side and you put some black beans and rice, you get a few fried bananas, you cut those up. That's a breakfast of champions. You test positive for everything on that shit.

And don't forget, no, Che Wainer, having the whole pig on the table head and everything. Wow. Wow. Yeah. Rudy, you don't eat any of that stuff anymore, right? No, no. So really, you don't even know.

Rudy's done. That I'm done with pork. Listen, bro. There's Cubans that after 40, they substitute turkey meat because the meat becomes too much. The amount of food they eat, you know, I miss my mother. It's been 30-some years. And Rudy knows a Cuban mom. I miss my mother.

But I got to tell you, it's a confession I never said before on another forum. my mother took her fucking pork so seriously that they were snort in my house in the 23rd you stayed up all night just marinating the pork your family would come over and like the grandma and grandpa would go to sleep but the 40-year-olds would get aluminum floor and they'd put it at the table and they'd have coke rocks in it

and they'd sit there all night doing little bumps drinking doers on the rocks my mother and had a little crazy whore girlfriends and they'd have a pig and they'd marinate that pig all night orange juice and garlic and you gotta rub it in there it was like a ceremony bro it's like a ceremony it's like a family thing

we're gonna get together drink but at the same time we're cooking and you'd wake up at eight and the house would smell like heaven when you wake up at a Cuban house on the 24th of December it's heaven that fucking pork I just took my wife back for Cuban food

my wife's my fucking farm in Tennessee she bit into the Le Cholang Island the first thing she said to me she goes I get it She goes, they fucking, this is what? This is love. Oh, it's the mojo. Em mojo is the whole thing. Garlic, naranaja,

which is the only thing you can get those oranges here, which is a sour orange. It's like a mandarin orange or something. And it's a whole different flavor. It's like in between a grapefruit and an orange. You know, it's like sour. Naraja Agria. Garlic and everything that goes into it.

Mojo. And they would stay up all night preparing it. And they ate the morning. That's when they throw it in the oven. So they were doing all night a talk of shit. Is it baked or roasted? It's in the oven. In the, uh, well, ours was in the, in a spit.

In a spit. Oh, I got a spit. Like a broiler. Yeah. Like a broiler. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The, the, the, the, the, the pig squealing, you know, like, because it's getting killed. It's getting killed. It's getting killed. It's amazing. Amazing.

But as a kid growing up like that in my culture, that was like, wow, we're going to eat good tonight. Yeah. And, you know, which now to me is a horrific, you know, uh, thought. But, yeah. And then you just start pulling up pieces of the skin. The ears. Yeah. You know, the chich-a-roong.

Lee, you have no idea. The chich-a-ch-rong. And those ears are going, like, a potato chip, you have no fucking ideally. Oh, my God. And the skin comes next to the fucking... Did you ever roast a pig in, like, your house in Jersey? All the time. My mother, listen, December in a Cuban house is 20 pounds.

And it starts December 3rd. There's a Cuban holiday. Then Wednesday... J-D-Go. Chang'o is Thursday night, and then San Lassado is the 16th. That's another big one. And then the 24th dog, shit. Yeah.

Shit. Bigger than Christmas? It is Christmas. It's Cuban Christmas. Then they celebrate the 7th of January. Yeah. What is that? That's when the wise king show up with a grandma blow and everything is.

The day of Mago. The day of Mago, and they give you an envelope. You get cash on that day. A grandma blow. Yeah, you get like a grandma. Which is actually the 12th day of Christmas. The 12th day of Christmas. Yeah, that's what it is.

You don't eat meat anymore, right? I eat meat, but not pork. What kind of diet do you have? Because you look fantastic. Vitamins, vitamins and workout, exercise. Yeah. Is it lightweights or do you just walk and jog? No, no.

I mean, I do some weights. I try not to injure myself now because of my age. But one great thing about Medicare, it's the plant that I have is what things are talking about. It's called Silver Fit, which is like Medicare Plus. For like $20 a year, you just join like a regular gym instead of like paying, you know, for $500, which in my case, because I spend so much time on the road, we're just like buying like a month here and a month there. But now I just pay $20 a year and that's it. I go to like a 24 fitness place.

That's great. And then the government. Something to look forward to. Yeah. The government pays the other half? Well, you already been paying the other half all these years. It's been coming out of your salary. Social Security.

Yeah, exactly. Gotcha. Wow. Yeah. Rudy, God bless you, man. Oh, bless you, too. Really? Navi, no, yeah?

It's hard to believe that I was watching you at the Palladium 30-something years ago, and here we are in North Hollywood. It's so weird, right? It's like a dream come true. You're the sweetest guy in the world. And here you are 65 looking beautiful, living your life. Who would have fucking thought we would have still been talking about Ozzie at a table? He's still fucking a lot.

You know, I don't look any different than what. when it was 64, you know. No, no, you look good. You look great, man. I mean, you know, I played with him last year, and this guy destroys on stage, man. Like, here's a funny thing. This is when I knew that I was never,

sometimes you wonder as a musician, like, I never got to that next level, you know? And then when I jammed with him, Brian Tissie and Tracy Guns, when they kicked in, I was like, this is why, these guys are next level dudes, you know? You know, it's just like you guys, you know, you guys put a lot of time into your art. You know, I mean, it just don't happen back. So you've got to take some time and develop your act and your material, you know, your relationship with the audience.

It's the same thing for us. You know, it's just put time into it. Yeah, but the way you played the bass, I could feel it over there, you know, just the attack. and he was so into it. Well, it's the same way when I saw you performance, you know, I got it. And I became an instant fan. Because, you know, you have that connection with the audience.

It's the same thing. You have a very rock and roll connection, you know, with the audience. It's like a rock musician. You know, and Coco here, he's just freaking amazing. Every time I watch anything with you on YouTube, you're relentless and fearless. Yeah, he's a friend.

It's fearless. Totally. It's like you're on, on, on, on. It's unbelievable. I've learned so much watching him at the store, man. Yeah, he's like an Invin-Mongstein level of comedy. It's shredding. It's a shredder.

Whenever I tell a Cuban story on those Ari things, I always think of you. I always think in the back of my mind, I think of everybody who's Cuban that I know, because we grew up different ways and everybody, there's still one basis, like the faith part, you know. And I did this last Ari thing, which, be out this year. And I talked about when I did Santo, you know, as a little kid, and I liked it. I really enjoyed. I'm a Catholic, bro. I'm a Catholic, just, I don't know, we come from a Catholic country. Cuba's a Catholic country. I was raised as a Catholic. And I still have my beliefs in different ways, but I had a godmother growing up, who I loved dearly.

You know, she was a Cuban lady. You know, I always talk about pre-revolutionary Cubans are the toughest people. You don't want to fuck with them at any level. Pre-revolutionary Cubans, They're the ones that built Miami. They're the ones that have to deal with those Jews the first time. They're smooth. They're fucking, but they're strong-willed. Pre-revolutionary Cubans put ideas in your head. They dealt with shit.

You know, everybody talks about Fidel Batista was no walk in the fucking park either. But there's something about pre-revolutionary Cubans and she was everything to me. And she used to always tell me growing up, put a box away and put your trophies in there. And when you, and she put, she made me put my lock of hair in there. And she made me put my brass shoes in there. She made me put newspaper clippings. And she'd go, once a week, I want you to go sit with that fucking box. It was brilliant.

And I go, why do you fucking make me sit with this box? She goes, because no matter what happens in your life, I want you to remember that, who the fuck you are and where you came from. And I would put shit in there. When my mother died, she goes, make sure you take that box with you. And you always look at that fucking box once a week, because I don't want this experience. And she, like, knew my mother was going to die.

That's why she'd make me fucking get that box every day and look at the box. And I fucking put the box at my friend's house, and I ended up robbing him years later. I was a co-dealer. I left the box. And when I left New York in 85, I bumped it. And she goes, where's the box?

And I didn't want to tell her. And I go, it said, Martin, the fags. Mattinga, Mar-Igo. That was his name. And I go, you know, the box is at his house. And she goes, I'll fucking get it back. Whatever. I didn't tell him I robbed Martin.

and I lost my box. You know, and through all those years, I lost that box. I had pictures of my mother and pictures of my real father and just little things in there. My son,

I had a bunch of shit in there. And I made a fucking interview for some religious company in England and they put the video on. And do you know, I got my box back. Some lady called me from Miami in 2014. No. We have your box.

My godmother's grandson has the box. What? I flew to Miami. I booked the gig. I got the box. fucking box 34 years later I got my fucking soul

back somebody had that box still and my life changed and she brought the box from New York City in 148 street

to Miami on a fucking bus wow because and she kept saying even when I die I know that kid he's gonna come back here for that fucking box

she goes leave that the kid all his life grew up he's a man he works at Miami International Airport yeah he goes since I was a kid I go

Grandma, whose box is that? That's Coco's. One day he's coming back for that box. Even after I'm dead, I know that kid. He's going to come back for that box. Wow. Fucking 2015, I got the box next to my fucking bed. I told that story, and I thought about you. Because we lose ourselves in our lives, man.

I lost myself for a fucking long time. And you know what? Some people sell their soul. They never get it back, dog. I sold my soul. I got it back. A lot of people don't get their fucking soul back. And I knew some people would listen to that story.

I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. I know Rudy would think of that story and go, Jesus fucking Christ, because there's a certain faith you grow up as Cuban. I've always had that faith. I've always had that belief, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. I'm happy you came on, Rudy.

And I'm sorry you only got you a couple of potatoes. Fucking poros, they got smarter. They made the potatoes smaller. They're fucking communist. When you say Papa Rillain, I figure, yeah, the big one. Lunds and shit. Yeah, there's bowling bowls, you know.

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So a bunch of guys, Zach Wilde and Inbe and just a bumblefoot, a bunch of, you know. It's incredible. Yeah. Yeah, it's in a boat. And where's the cruise go to? Key West and the Bahamas, the Caribbean. Oh, shit. Yeah, for four days.

Maybe I'll send Lee and the girlfriend with you. Yeah. To give me your live reports. Look at them. You should, yeah. I'll definitely go. Total rock and roll cruise. And then after that, I'm off to Europe and Russia.

With Gunzo? No, no, with something else. Oh, wow. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Good to have you. I love you. Feliciada.

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