The Church of What's Happening Now: The New Testament - #369 - Herb Dean

Episode Date: April 7, 2016

Herb Dean, Professional MMA referee for promotions such as the UFC and Bellator, joins Joey Diaz and Lee Syatt in studio. This podcast is brought to you by: ScoreBig - When you go to ScoreBig.com, click on the microphone and enter code: JOEY. to get $20 off of your first order.   Headspace: Go to headspace.com/joey and download the Free Headspace App and start your Take10 10 day free trial .   Onnit.com. Use Promo code CHURCH for a discount at checkout.   Recorded live on 04/06/2016.


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What? Big shout out to my main man. Lower my fucking mic there. Lower that and think. It's too hot. There you go. There you go. What?

One, two. One two. Oh shit. It's Wednesday, bitches. A little shout out to Bobby Sharon. sending me Street songs by Rick James

Here you go, motherfuckers Oh shit You hear that shit Are you fucking kidding me If you're not getting up fucking ripping your clothes off Jumping up and down Oh shit

Oh shit Oh shit This is smooth right here You're over at Biggie Smalls Club And American gangster Oh shit Oh shit shit.

What are you going to do, Lee? We got to open up one of these clubs and this. We don't get these motherfuckers started. It's the church of what's happening now, bitches. Wednesday. April 6th. What's going on?

What's happening, brother? I can't call it Herb Dean in-house today. I always called your Herb Dean. It's Herb Dean. It's Herb Dean. Herb. Whatever the fuck I am. I'm terrible.

What's going on with you, Lisa? I had a great morning. I went and worked out a little bit. Did a little work. That's great. You're looking good. Give them the crab. The crab? Do you have to stand up for the crab?

Sure. Give him the crab. Show them all that fucking way. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Smooth. You got to do it every once in a while. You don't let these motherfuckers know who's running things, you know?

Yeah, it's, like, I wanted to tell you, I texted my friend who didn't get back to me. And he didn't respond to the text, but I put it out there again. Last week we're talking about just losing touch with friends. Did you call his fucking wife? No, I didn't call the wife. Call the wife. Stop texting this fucking half of friends. And call the fucking wife, explain your situation, say that you don't know what's going on.

You text them. You didn't know if he got hit by a car and you're worried about it. Then they'll tell you what's going on. If she don't call you back, then send them a fuck you letter and say, go fuck yourself and your faggy friend. You took my friend from me, your little dirty bitch, and move on with your life. How was your day? Commendous.

But it happened. Lee, it happened. So a man, listen, man, a woman will tell you a man will fucking snake a woman along to the wedding date and then rules change. And people have to accept it. When people get married, that college shit goes away. That thing is... My mic is too high here.

My ears. I think it's your ears. That, you know, it's tough to stay friends when you have children, a marriage, a job, loans. You're trying to work on something. God forbid you're trying to work on something. If you just have a job, 40 hours, and a girlfriend that you see four nights a week, what time do you have?

You have three nights. Those three nights you got to work out. You got to clean your apartment. You got to do laundry. How much time do you have to go to a bar and hang out? You can't get drunk no more on a Tuesday. When I was 21, I could drink 92 beers and snort 84 lines on a Tuesday and be up Wednesday ready to fucking stab him, motherfucker. If I have a beer now on a Sunday, I don't recover until Wednesday.

I don't drink. Yeah, it's not as fun anymore. It's not that it's not as fun. You try to, everybody tries to keep it going. Keep it going. Yeah, yeah, no, gee. Your body falls apart eventually, you know. I saw somebody last night at the comedy store.

I didn't recognize them. I hadn't seen them in 10 years, but I didn't recognize them. And they had a hot-coal on their breath. You know, they never stopped drinking. That's crazy. It can change someone's body. It can change how you look. It changed everything.

They were swollen. Their nose got bigger. Their face got bigger. You know, it's whatever. You can't live that lifestyle forever. You know, you have a girlfriend. You have responsibilities. You can't go to a fucking bar and cause problems.

You know, it's always the same. People don't accept it. That's it. That's it. People get busy. Yeah, yeah. I've had some friends like that. You fucking work on the weekends. Okay.

You have a plane ride that starts on Friday. Right. And you don't come home until Sunday. And that's, out of 52 weeks, let's do an estimate of 40 weeks or 45. No way. 40, at least. 40 to 45 weekends, he works. Yeah.

He's gone. So he basically has four days a week to make it happen because Sunday's a wrap. Sunday's a wrap. You get off the plane. You don't sleep in hotels like that. You don't get nine hours in a fucking hotel. Either it's too warm, it's too hot. The pillow and don't feel good.

B'bada ping, papadabana bong. So you really sleep shitty wot. one night, you recover the next. No, but that's one thing, though, is I can sleep just about anywhere. I sleep on the plane's really good. I see you. I see you on the plane. Yeah.

Out, right out. Yeah. But still, sleeping on the plane is like sleeping on the fucking twilight zone. Yeah. Okay, so when you get home on a Sunday, it's a wash, you're tired. Yeah, I just want to relax. You got the girls. The wife asked you 20 fucking questions.

You got to answer emails from the fucking weekend, you know. Actually, no, the girls no more, so I'm an empty nester. Your daughter's moved out. Really? Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah. So my son, he hasn't been living with me for a while. He lives with his mom, though. And then my daughter's 19 years old, they're out. They're doing their thing. Yeah, one, they're not really out. They're like, okay, so they live with their aunts. One with her mom, sister, the other one lives with my sister. Okay. And they're doing their thing. One, you know, they're, you know, she's going to school and has a job. The other one just got a job and trying to see if I can keep her out of trouble. That's tough.

Yeah. That's tough. It's tough, man. Work, job. But the point is that you have four days. Yeah. You have four days to make it happen to her being every week. You don't have seven like most people.

You have four here. So you have four workouts. You probably have obligations. Yeah, I got my projects. You know, you have your little things going on. And then somebody wants to call you two in the afternoon and do lunch. Yeah, I got lots of projects. And you're like, it's right in the middle of my fucking day.

Once I do lunch, after lunch, what do you want to do? You want to take a fucking nap. So these are the things. You get busy. Well, I hear you, Joey, talking a lot about, oh, I actually can do some work on the road because you don't have some of those distractions. Do you get some of that done on the road? What is your day like herb on the road before the fights? Because the fight day is pretty much all day.

But if you're there, a day or so early. Right. So, yeah, you're actually right. Sometimes I am able to get some of that work. Sometimes I just sit in a hotel room. I go through the emails, answer the emails. I do scheduling stuff. I do work I'm supposed to do, you know, that I don't want to do at home.

So, yeah, actually it's good for it sometimes. I do the same. I bring a computer with me that's not a great computer, so I don't trust it to do something tremendously large on it. I trust it to tweet and maybe Facebook and maybe check my messages. I don't fuck with that lit-lift in there when I write. I don't fuck with it in there because for some reason something goes wrong and then I'm fucked. But when I go, yeah, I got three. four hours in the hotel room to sit and write comedy.

You know, if I'm thinking of a TV show and I'm writing it, I'll do it then. I like all that stuff. Tell you where else I stretch out, believe it or not, on a plane. Those long flights, I come fucking prepared, though. I got everything in that bag. Everything I need. You know what I'm saying, everything. I'll bring the sides with me to go over if I have an audition.

Now, so you can work well on the plane. I'll throw that computer on and check messages, and I'll go on the plane with a plane. project. Every time I go on a flight longer than three hours, I know I'm not going to sleep. So I have a project. But if I got on a plane and fucking Rocky is on, you know, Creed, that throws my plan off, like the last flight I got on. On the way back, I usually don't plan nothing because I'm fired from the night before. Yeah, so no, me on the plane, I can't work on a plane. I try. Sometimes I bring it every now and then I'm able to get a little bit in, but I can probably get in about 20 minutes here, 20 minutes there. As soon as I start concentrating,

trading on a plane, puts me asleep. I had a friend whose dad was a consultant and went to Europe, like back and forth from Boston to Europe every week. And he said that was the only time he got work done because he don't could call him. On the best riding you do, and that's what works for me. I get high on the plane. Like before I get on the plane, I get pre-stone, I eat an edible, I eat the breakfast, I focus, and then I take the notebook out, and I leave it open.

I take the thing to see that. I leave the notebook open. with a pen and I watch whatever's going on when I play music and I let the music or whatever I'm watching dictate what I'm writing are you with no no okay now that's sometimes I'll get a joke sometimes let's say I got to write a letter to Phil Foley I'll write on the plane you know my buddies in college he's doing some time at a college somewhere so I have to write them letters in fact I own one you know I plan all those things

Do you have like a different style or a different band for each activity? Like this comedy one music is writing another music is? No, I just put an album on and I'll listen to the, you know, listen, man, we get, I love music. I love music. You know, I was trying to push a music show, but music is very tough to sell. We live in an age that right now, if I'm driving and I go, when was the last time you heard of Rita Franklin? What was the song we played last week?

I forgot all about that song. We played Aretha Franklin last week. Blank it on the name. Fucking song from 71. Just tremendous. I hadn't heard it since my mother had the barns fucking Harlem. Right, right. You know, I hadn't heard that song.

I mean, I was dry with my wife, and I heard it on serious. In today's world. What song is it? Let me look it up. Oh, you got to hear this fucking here. This is a Rita. Yeah, but you know something, yeah, you're right. If you're doing creative stuff, you can, yeah, on the plane is a good time.

Sometimes I get so caught up. in the in the music that I realize how brilliant the music I'm listening to is and how much effort they had to put into this music

that that inspires me like I start thinking about how Rocksteady? Go ahead. Oh, that's a great song. Listen to this shit. When was the last time you heard this song?

This is just a fucking amazing song. Oh, no, she goes there. Come on, I got tears. I get this will never happen again. This will never happen again, ever. I could see her just the way she's singing opposite the beat. That's what's killing it. Listen to her.

And she's riding a little bit to the back. Yeah, she's right into the back, yeah. And then she drops in Aretha Franklin right here. All right, I'm on the plane listening to this, and I'm thinking, listen to how sick my mind is people. I want to learn where you got the ball. to come up with this, okay? I cry. I want to know.

I want to know where the fuck you got the ball. So I think of the black composer who put this together, right? Because that's all Aretha Franklin worked. This is funk. Do you think it's a dude that looked like... She never worked with the swamper's? Well, you know, I'm just thinking to myself, like, who came up? Like, who came up to Aretha Franklin?

Was there some dude that looked like a puff? With glasses or was it some bad black motherfucker that came into studio with alcohol, this motherfucker? And he just said, Rick, they came over a second. And she's like, I ain't got time for this. He's like, listen, you got to hear this. He came up. And he just started with this bass. That's what I think about.

Who created this baseline? It wasn't some fucking genius. Aretha Franklin wrote it? Yeah. Oh, no, no. According to some dude she pays for. Did he say who played on it? Let me look for it.

You know, that dude came in and said, Aretha, listen to this motherfucking shit. I got here. So I was just in Memphis, not to long ago. So I went to the Stacks Museum. You ever go to that?

No. Oh, you have to go to the Stacks Museum. So it's Stacks Records, right? You know, Stacks? Yeah, yeah. Okay, now I know what you're saying. Okay, so Stacks records. So basically, you know,

it's more a Southern Soul. So there's like Motown out of Detroit, and then there's Memphis, Stax. Man, it's, man, if you're ever in Memphis, you got to go. Now, who came? Who was a...

on the stacks of late. Okay, so I think Eretta Franklin did some stuff on there. Not sure exactly, but I think she did. But definitely Isaac Hayes, Sam and Dave, Otis Redding, you know, Booker T and the MGs.

I said, Isaac Hayes, a few other people. So all that stuff was on stacks. And it's a, you know, it was a, it was definitely interesting. You learn a lot. So they did that whole, oh, who was those girls?

The, the Nets, something, the Nets. No, those girls? Those who, they did that song, they did songs with Earthwind and Fire. Earthwinning Fire was out of there, came out of there, yeah. But they did songs with Earth Wind and Fire. And they did that big concert down in Watts after the riots, the Watts Stacks.

It's a lot of stuff to learn about in that museum. All that stuff. There's a documentary on Muscle Shows on Netflix. I saw a part of it on the plane. That was pretty interesting about what bands have gone through muscle shows. Now, did Aretha ever do anything with them? I think so, because there's something on there. Look for Aretha and Duane Allman.

Listen to this shit. Yeah. This is to this shit. Somebody sent me this on Twitter last week, and I had never known this existed. And I fucking, it sounds great. Aretha Franklin's tremendous. So, yeah, this is when Aretha, you know, with fucking Dwayne Allman. How do you get that combination together?

Oh, yeah. This is crazy. And this is with Dwayne Ormond? Yeah? Yeah, there's a couple of them on there. There's a couple jams on there. It's called The Wait. So, yeah, there's just so much music history that there is to be like if you, I would plan a trip around muscle shows.

Really? Yeah, my wife would go. My wife would do it in a heartbeat. With the baby, she would do it in a fucking heartbeat. That's more of an education just going through and sniffing that fucking air. Are you kidding me? Do they have a museum or anything like that down there that shows about the, yeah, about the studio? I'm not sure.

I'm not sure what goes on down there. Is that in Alabama? Yes. The stones were there, like just a lot of people went in there. You want to smell those motherfuckers. It's like, when you go to the comedy store, that's Richard Pryor stage. Just breathing that air does something to you.

You know, it does something to you. So you were saying, like, that the music show was difficult to pitch. What was your show? Since the music is so great, like, what is so difficult you think? So many copyright companies, so many different. So when you have an album, it's not about the album,

it's a different writer. on every song. So all I need is one writer on one song to say, I don't want my song on that fucking show, and I can't do the album on the show. But the beauty of it is that we live in a society now where if I could listen to that song, I could go on my thing and I'm serious.

It says the song and the whom did it. So I'll say rock steady and orita Franklin. At the next light, I could go on my iPhone, go to iTunes, and buy the fucking song. Okay? And not really get the essence. of the album. Right.

Do you know what I'm saying? Every album has an essence. That's something I'm doing a lot later. So sometimes in my morning, like in the mornings, people, I twit songs out. That's all great, Joey, but you're not doing nothing for me.

Because to really get the full experience of that song, you've got to see what comes before and after. When I play a song, it's like me giving you the scene from The Godfather when he shoots fucking the guy at the table when Michael Collione goes to Sicily. You can't watch a movie like that.

an album is a fucking movie and the bands like again and you guys are going to go fuck you joey you're an old fuck I'm telling you that these bands listen to the thought process they had into the covers there's also a thought process on how

the music comes up how they want you to hear it what they want you to hear before that song and after that fucking song and pig Floyd definitely did it as we heard today with animals that's a concept they just you know they filled it together I've always felt that

I heard a fucking great song this morning and you guys are going to laugh at me. What's the chick that won't miss America and they stopped it from me and pussy. She was married to Rick Fox and the Lakers. Come on, fucking guys. I don't know. Running it.

Running back to you. Baby, do the good things. Oh, they're going to love that. Share it to you. Vanessa Williams. Vanessa Williams put an album out in 1991. Right? Somebody gave it to me.

Like somebody gave me, Vanessa Williams. I always thought Vanessa Williams is fucking beautiful. I just love that. That's what a Cuban woman looks like. When they're mixed like that, they got that mulata blood. I love all that shit. They do. That's what you call them, mulattoes.

That's what they call in Cuba. That's a mohele mulata. That's what they call. So I put the fucking CD in the car out of all the music. I liked Vanessa Williams album. I don't know what. And it was that album that had Running Back to You and that was a album.

Yeah, you know, I might go revisited. I do remember she had. One thing about that album was, it was all themed. That album was a concert, like she wrote about love, or whatever she was singing about that fucking album, her revenge or her freedom. You know, Pat Benetard, crimes of passion. Listen for that fucking album.

Listen for that side one. That's planned. The last song is a song you hate. Hell is for children. Remember you hate? the last song on the album. You know, which album was called,

The Marvin Gay, would I want you on it? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You listen to the best stuff. Yes, yes, yes. But then you go back, like, I just went and listened to that album. Yeah, a couple weeks, on a plane.

On a plane, you know, I bought it before I got on a plane. You don't have time. You don't have time in your normal life. So what I do on a plan is, I go to YouTube, I plug the speaker in, and I listen to a hole out.

And I go, wow, that was fucking tremendous. Something we have forgotten in this country. listen to the whole album. Well, now there's not thought. Now it's all about money. You got to eat songs? That's why this chick has a song every six weeks.

She sucks a dick. The skinny blonde with the fucking disease. What's the name? Is it? I want to say Taylor, but it's... Taylor Dane. Whatever. Taylor Swift.

She's got a disease. Yeah, whatever the fuck. You got to assume she's got a disease. She's always skinny and pale. And she got sores on her lips. She's got something. You know what I'm saying? She blew one of those dirty fucking actors or something.

I never knew that. He's brute. I never knew that albums were like an entire theme, or I thought it was just songs put together because they like the songs. I didn't, so if you listen to, like, the songs that we listened to before on Periscope, is it different for you if you only listen to one song versus the whole album? Do you feel different?

Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. And there's music, like the stones. The stones did location fucking music. So the stones will call each other and go, hey, it's time for another album, boy. So what do you want to do? do. I don't know. Let's do it. Well, let's go down to Jamaica and hang out with Peter Tash.

And we'll hang out down there, smoke, we'll rent the house, and we'll fucking do an album down there. So it's the feeling that they were thinking during those eight songs. Yeah. If you're a real music guru and you go back, you'll find out that sometimes they'll put seven songs together and they had two songs in the previous album, that the company will make them put on their fulfiller or something like that. But the essence of those seven songs, you'll feel you'll see what songs don't belong there you'll and you know whose point he did it beautifully Marvin gay when Marvin gay released I want you that was a piece of fucking Marvin gay that was the best Marvin gay so all those songs in that album

that's the best Marvin gay I mean the better Marvin gay was the one after the one before that I think oh no yeah yeah yeah sexual feeling what that was after I think before that was like, you know, stuff like the ecology. Right. Right. I'll tell you, who else did a lot of albums that if you listen to, we get cheated. The youth of today gets cheated. Stevie Wonder.

Steve Wonder put, listen, Stevie Wonder put out four songs, four albums in Motown, towards the end of Motown, that they're like Pink Floyd's strength. Ending with songs in the Key of Life in 76. Ending with a double album. okay so if you don't buy those albums whole and listen to them you know there's just some people Judas Priest

British Steel Judas Priest British Steel is a fucking phenomenal you know breaking the law The other one and one goes into the other one Metal gods It's fucking brilliant Does it matter if you don't like a song on an album Like let's say it's your favorite album but one song you just hate

will you still listen to it or does it affect your opinion of the album or not really? No, no, no. Listen, man, you're not, listen. When I put an album out, not all the jokes, you're going to like not all the fucking jokes, all the fucking jokes, all right? Right, yeah, of course. You're not going to like all the goddamn jokes. So, but there's going to be six to seven jokes that you're going to go, oh, I get this now. He was talking about this as a theme.

When I'm trying to write an album, first thing I got to write in a piece of papers, what am I trying to say? What am I trying to say with this album? If you watch the 70s on CNN, Motown was putting out a particular sound for years and fucking your boy went in there and said, listen, I'll fucking put it out now, but I don't want to use the band brothers no more. I want to use it.

I don't want four brothers behind me fucking jigging it up. I don't want that. I want to tell you what's in my heart. He put that song out about the war. Marvin Gaye. What's the first one there? It's, what's the, it's, no, no, it's the... I'm mercy, mercy.

What's going on? What's going on? And that broke the bank. That broke the bank. That invaded thought. You know, he spoke about the war and all this shit. Stevie Wonder went into the military and said, hey, I want to do what he's doing. I don't want none of this shit little Stevie Wonder.

I'm a grown fucking man. I've eaten pussy. I've smoked dope. I'm just blind. That's it. But let me do it my way. And he did his four hours. You know, that's, you know, they wanted to break out of the mold.

That was their mold for them. And by that time, who cared? Michael Jackson was about to fucking sizzle the goddamn fucking world anyway in 1971. And he broke the bank with that first down on ABC what I want you back and all that shit. But we don't do that no more.

We're so accustomed to serious. Listen, man, I'm the first guy that fought in the car. I have Sirius on there and I fucking love it. I got Disco 54. I got Groove Channel 50 which is that medium range. I got metal shit. I got

Ozzy's bone yarn. I got lithium. I'm good to go. Lithium is Sound Guard, the Allison Chains, that era. And I listen to individual songs. Speaking of music, I would be slipping if I didn't tell you.

My son just put out an EP. So I'm band camp. Are you serious? Yeah, Altadino Hotel. He's doing all the guitar on it, mainly. And it's kind of like an indie pop thing. It's good stuff, though, man.

Man, he writes good music. The name of the band is Altadino Hotel. That's a complete different fucking gift. Right. music and doing all that type of shit. I don't know how the fuck they do that. I don't know how he comes up with this stuff. Like, he'll teach me some of his songs.

Like, how did you think of that? Yeah, how did you put that together, you know? It was very interesting. Before the show, you were speaking about the show vinyl. And I only saw the first episode, but they were talking about the main manager. One of his first clients was an African, a black client who he, like, screwed out of. Like, they made him go under, like, a pseudonym. and they wouldn't let him record the songs he wanted to record.

Right, they made him play Little Jimmy Little. So they made him play like, you know, Body Holly. But this motherfucker could shred a guitar and play blues. Right. So now he comes back. Now he's a manager. He became a manager of a fucking punk band. But they fired two of the punk rockers and they can't come up with a song.

And in one scene, this guy fucking goes, give me the fucking guitar. The white dude goes, what? the black dude goes give me the fucking guitar he takes that stratic ass of him and he goes A-B-E E-B-I whatever A-B-E these chords have lit the world on fire and he starts playing every song that's those three chords like every song that's been written with those three chords he goes this is how it starts and he's singing all of them and all of a sudden he just goes into this blue song and it rips the room apart and he puts the guitar down he goes figure it the fuck out and he walks out the room, the kid comes upstairs and goes, hey man, all those songs you did in EBI, those are

somebody else's songs. But that last song, who wrote that? And that's how that's, so now he's going to come into his own because the guy's badass. Right, and they beat him up or something? They beat him up. They beat him up. The mafia beat him up because they owned the record label. So they wanted him to be little Jimmy Black Little, some dude who just sang with four black

guys. Right, right, right. He don't want to do that. He wants to do fucking BB King type shit, you know, so. Yeah, three chords. You're probably talking about GCD, huh? Something, something, E, B, F, A, D. And he keeps saying, this is it.

This is how you write a fucking song, okay? All that of this shit, don't get it. He goes, here we go, and he started playing. And it was like 20 songs. 20 songs. He just kept going, kept going. This is it. This is the way you write a fucking song.

I would love to be able to write a fucking song. One song I would die. I don't even have the heart. I don't even know where they come up with those lyrics. I don't have no idea where people come up with those lyrics. We were listening to Leonard Skinner the other day. Whiskey bottle, brand new car. Oak Tree, you're in my way.

Who does that? Who does that? Too much coke and too much, Mo. Look what's going on inside you. Who writes that? Ooh, that smell. Can't you smell that? smell the smell that surrounds you

who writes that who writes that that that's something that you think about people look at this fucking junkies and I kill himself and sure yeah that's what he's writing about this song his brother crashing the fucking car who comes up with these lyrics who sits there and goes who the fuck sits there the other day I was in the car I was brought to so much emotion it was listening to the white dude He's from Detroit,

On the low, lones and highway Oh, I know you're talking about, oh, yeah, Bob Seeger. Bob Seger. Yeah, yeah. What was that dude thinking? Listen to that jam. Oh, yeah, that's a hard way. On the road.

Are you fucking kidding me? He had to be writing this on a bus, sitting there going on the road again. Here I am. Playing the star again. Are you fucking kidding? Turn the page. Turn the page.

Are you fucking kidding me? Who writes that type of shit? I can never do that. I'm blown away by the music. Because, like, lyrics, I speak English. But just, no, it's good. Yeah, but think about it. To make all those instruments sound like that, it's mind-blowing.

I can't. I try for one summer to play guitar, but my fingers were just too short and too uncoordinated, I couldn't do it. But it's, like, that's the, part that I can't that just blows my mind like the especially bass recently you really like guitar every time

you put a song with like good bass on and I don't know why I just sit there stone and think just thinking about how someone could even like with words you can think about putting words together I can't imagine putting notes together and then putting the guitar with the drums with the with the organ with the whatever they have but when you put the words together you got to put notes together too

you know what's music is MMA you're putting the band you're putting jiu jitsu wrestling, everything together. It all comes together at some fucking point, man. It's really crazy how music, an art is an art, is an art. To me, what's crazy about is how these sounds and these rhythms and these notes bring emotion from your body and make you want to move your body to them.

You know what I mean? And that's a universal thing. I think that blows me away. I saw this crazy video. They had dementia and they couldn't talk. This is an old lady. and a nurse sang church hymns, and she came out of him and just started singing.

It was, it blew my mind. It's crazy. Like, there's no reason babies should dance. Like, babies don't know what music is. Exactly, exactly, right. Like, does Mercy like any specific songs now? Like, everything. Yeah.

This is day one, she's been moving, moving and grooving, man. It's amazing. Yeah, you're right. When she was a kid, she loved the little legs would go off. And now she dances. I catch a dancing by herself and shit. You know, it is the expression of it. I love it.

I don't know what I'd do. That's the way you could, instead of throwing me in prison, just go, you can't hear music no more. I would die. So you did write a music show, an idea, huh? For music? I tried. It was just not a music show. It was like a concept where I take a musician and we go to a record store and pick an album that made him fucking want to.

Everybody has an album that makes you want to jump out of window. You know, everybody. everybody has that one or two albums that you go, especially when you talk to a musician, when you talk to a slash, you go, can I talk to you, what do you like? And he'll tell you albums that influence him. And you're like, I get it now.

I get it. You know, he liked aerosmith. So what do you think he's going to play? Arrowsmith Plus, which is what Guns and Roses is. Arrow Smith on fucking steroids. That's all they want. Erosmith on steroids. They just blew up aerosmith.

You know, they had that aerosmith dirt, dirty fucking feel to them. So you ask, you know, when we listen to Chris Cornell, I guarantee, and this is without having a conversation with Chris Cornell, not that I know, I'm just saying, this is what I'm having a conversation about Chris Cornell. If I walk into Chris Cornell and I take him to a record store, one of the top three albums, I guarantee he's going to take is something from the Beatles.

Okay, I hear the Beatles in his music, so I know he's going to take the White album or the one with Tomorrow Never Comes, just that crazy album when they first started fucking around with drugs. Yeah, there is a lot of Beatles up in there. And you know what else? I hear a lot of, and all that stuff from up there was a lot of Black Sabbath. A lot of Black Sabbath. I guarantee all those, well, especially, again, Kim Thial, I did see an interview one time

where he said when the first time he heard Shildner the grave, his head almost blew up. And that's what made him turn the chords around. You know, all those guys, all those great guitar players will tell you that they did something. to have that sound. You know, we were talking about this, Tony Aomi from Black Sabbath, his fingers got cut off

in a sheet metal accident. That's why whenever you see pictures of Tony Aom, he's always covering his hand. Go ahead. Go to Google, go to Yahoo and go pictures of Tony Aomani. He's always covering his hand because he lost his fingertips.

So it's the right hand or the left hand? One of those. So for him to play the guitar, he had to put special caps on his fingers, he couldn't get the chords, so he had to turn the chords upside down or put bass chords on his guitar. That's what creates that sound with Black Sabbath. So, see, he only showed...

See the picture? He has the pentagram and the whole thing. He has like fingertips. Right, okay. In the earlier pictures, see, he would never show his hands. In the early, early Iommi pictures, he never showed his hands. And that's why his guitar is so fucking different,

because he had a turn, he used bass strings instead of regular guitar strings. That's why the guitar is so heavy. This is very interesting. A lot of those guys, Dave Gilmore probably did something. There was somebody else who I just read, did something like that. He turned his guitar around or he did something weird to get that thing around. I want to ask you something that means. You went to college?

Never. Didn't finish. No finish. No finish. True. And all your experience with the body is through just martial arts over the years. Yeah, martial arts. Over 20 years experience. Yes, yeah. Done a lot of martial arts.

And you started here in L.A. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I started doing martial arts with Frank Trejo. He was a, we did some kickboxing. So when I was a kid, I did some karate and some boxing. But the first time I did anything full contact was in, I was like in 88. I did a start kickboxing. Now you were telling me that the school

That enter the dragon that's still there The school and enter the dragon When Jim Kelly goes in the Kempo school The BTK brothers What do they call them? They're still there Was it you that? I don't think it was me

He was telling you that They're still there, you know It is huh That school's still there Like it's deep in Englewood Oh okay So it's a BKF school It's a KMPO school

Yeah probably a BKF school They call them something And it's down there in Englewood. Somebody was telling me the story recently. I bet. I bet it is, yeah, because did he say it was a BKF school, Black Karate Federation? Because they had Kempo schools.

I don't know, but it's all black. I do know. Inglewood. I mean, you know, there's no Mexican than there. This is an all-black school, but that's still there. I was just wondering if you knew those guys earlier. Now, you knew my friends, the Earl White and his brother. You know, Earl White,

another guy that teaches Kempo, he teaches Juan Hopquendo. down in Hollywood. You know those guys. So I went through with Frank Trejo. I did know some of the BKF guys. I trained with some of those guys. And, yeah, and that's how I started getting into martial arts

and on full contact. It was through him. But a lot of the BKF guys came out there and trained with us, like Ray Wizard, Ray Dawes, who else? A lot of the guys who's trained with Steve Muhammad, who was the main guy from there, who was Steve Sanders back then. Called South Steve Mohammed now.

What's the BKF? Like, what is it from the Black Karate Federation? That was just, it was the organization. It was a lot of martial arts who were all black guys. It was a, it was a federation. Did they fight against each other, or they just were like a group? It was just a group, and it was they did really well in a lot of the tournaments. They did.

I mean, they were, yeah, they were successful. That's interesting. So where, like, where did that come from? Were they not allowed to do karate before? Was it, was it? No, I just think that it was like, yeah, Not allow, but I think that back in that time, if black people did something, you usually had to get together with other black people to do it, you know?

You know, the martial arts scene really exploded during the Bruce Lee years. And I had two karate teachers and both of them were Vietnam vets. It was kind of weird. Like both of them came back from Vietnam and started teaching karate or some form of martial arts or style, you know. And when I first joined karate, it was a black teacher. It was Rashan's father. Eddie's student. And he, it was a goju karate.

It was a black fucking geek. And in those days, 70% of the school was black. You know, it was a couple white dudes and me and maybe another Spanish kid or something like that. But it was all black. And it's weird. Like, right now, here in town, they have

disciples of Moses Powell. Okay. He's a big judo, a big fucking heavy set black dude from the city that developed his own style of judo. I was supposedly a fucking savage or something. Yeah, Moses Powell.

He's a beast. So he has these students out here now. One of them is a black dude, and one of them is Vinnie Cessoray. And Vinny, I know Vinny from the Comedy Storm, what, now Vinny had a school right down the corner. Right on Burbank Boulevard on the other side of Lancash. And Vinny had a school for about two years.

But he got busy with movies. He had to close it. And it's not that it's a black federation. It was just schools that are from Harlem. Yeah. They just, you know, they were from, uh, low rent areas. You know, fucking.

Some of the guys that were, that, you know, used to train and do a lot of stuff with the BKF. I mean, the guy, one of the guys who managed a lot of those teams, they weren't all black guys. But, yeah, it was just a group of martial arts. Just the course. But I think, but at the same time, I mean, you said you were born in Cuba. How old are you? 53. 53.

So if you were born in the States, when you were born, so our country has changed a lot. Because when you were born, if you were born in the States, you were born in the States, you, black people who were born at your age had different laws governing than white people at that time at that time if you were born like in your age, not 70, not 70, but no if you're 53 so I'm 46 I was born in 70

okay so I have sisters who are eight and six and eight years older than me when they were born they were born with different laws than I was born in which way and what black people could do and what white people could do unwritten no no written law Written laws.

And then unwritten, so I lived in unwritten laws. So yeah, if you're doing stuff like, yeah. But like that's, our country has changed a lot and people don't realize how long that it wasn't really that long ago, you know, that, you know, my sisters who were, you know, just a little bit older than me were born with different laws. Do you ever think like, every- 64 is when it changed, right? That's when they, that's when they, that's when they move some of those laws on, yeah. Do you ever wonder like what we're going to look back on and think about? house like how backwards we look now back on civil rights like well that was crazy that there were

different laws and i don't i don't know what it is maybe it's gay marriage or i don't know i don't know what's even after that that's going to be the next thing that just you never know i mean there's things that i think that um that i think about i think are just bizarre that they have them as laws but you never know what's gonna what it's gonna change or what are the things that we do you know like when you when people when we used to i grew up smoking and we grew up where you could smoke everywhere. But now that we've lived without it, it would be amazing. I see what you're saying. No, no, no. Oh, laws. Yes. I thought you meant

unwritten laws for black people. Like, when I was growing up, what's an unwritten law for if you saw like a black people at the pool? What the fuck is going on there? You know what I'm saying? You didn't see black people. Yeah, but I'm talking about written laws. Those were written laws. In 64, I believe the laws changed in 64.

Like, you couldn't go here or you couldn't go there. Like, segregated law. I thought you meant like what black people don't do and can't do. Like, you won't see a lot of black people skiing. You won't see black people playing hockey. I thought that's what you meant. You know, I remember going to Florida when I was a kid.

And, you know, my uncle was... I try to break as many of those rules as I can't. Yeah, you have to break those rules. You know, I try to get on my white boys. Fuck yeah. And I remember my uncle was a Cuban dude. He wasn't racist at all. Nothing.

I remember going to me here. We didn't, they don't let me say, nah, not blaya. Because in Miami in those days, you know, it's 100 degrees. You wouldn't see a woman. one brother at the beach. And when they were at the beach and we saw three brothers but they were in the shade.

I mean, I was like seven. My uncle goes, look, three brothers in the beach is fucked up because they usually don't go to the beach when it's hot like this. I thought that's what you meant by unwritten laws. No, I said laws.

You put in unwritten. Unwritten, okay. I didn't know. Unwritten laws that I didn't know about. Abs of fucking looting. Absolutely. Absolutely. I still remember,

I still remember walking with this young kid to go get James Brown records when hot. pants came out my best friend jasper williams and me we got like 50 cents and we went to get the single it was 50 cents you know i don't know if it was racism like we had a walk from 127 street to like 100 and like 16th street and broadway like we were young to do that you know that was on that was unwritten yeah 11 blocks that's on the real like you can't do that and that number of beat cop

stopping us on the way back. And I always thought about it that was, like years later, I always thought about that was racism. Like me walking with this black kid and the white cop stopped us and didn't take our money or nothing. We were fucking six. He just wanted to know what we were doing

and what was in the bags. Right. You know what I'm saying? I'd never thought about that until 30 years later. 30 years later, I think, was that a racist thing. Never thought about at that age. You know, it's so weird when you're young,

You don't even know what race is. You didn't know. Jasper was my friend. I didn't know if he was black. I didn't even look at that. That didn't even fucking matter to me. Years later was when I realized it, holy shit, that's how come I know all about this music?

Because of Jasper. That's why I know about MFSB and all that early stuff. Because of Jasper and Joe Tex and Marita Franklin fucking, you know. But it was, I don't know, I didn't know nothing. I didn't care. I came from society. My mom kept something. But I thought years later,

that the reason me and him got shaken down that day was because he was black. Yeah, you never know. I mean, we have an amazing country. I love me. I love here, and we have a lot of diversity, a lot of cool things. You see, I was just in Dallas over the weekend.

I got to go to, well, I was in Fort Worth. So I went to some country bars and listened to some country music. It was cool, you know. I haven't got an album. I bought the guys. It's his CD. He's doing some songwriting, man.

But, yeah, you know, at the end of the day, like, man, those stuff like that doesn't happen as much anymore. It's been years since I got DWB, except for last few months ago. What's DWB? Driving well black. Wait to get DWB there. Man, the other, I was in San Francisco and I was, my friend of mine was driving and the police pulled us over. And he said, well, there's something came back with your plates that said, you know, Alabama. He said, well, I live on Alabama Street. That's why it says it in my plate.

And he says, okay, well, we just thought, you know, the plate was funny. And we saw. you pull over, we thought you guys were going to run because it was a stolen car, because the guy had a BMW. And I said, well, but why did you run the plates to begin with? And the plates were fine. He didn't have an answer. We just say, as soon as you finish, just let us go. And that was a bummer of an experience, but, you know, yeah, it happened. Because he didn't give him a ticket. There was no law broken. He just ran the plates and then saw him pull over and thought, oh, they were going to break for it. Yeah, the country's changed a lot, man. But not really, but really.

Yeah. Not really, but really. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's weird. You know what I'm saying? Not really, but really. That's when you said Dallas. I thought you're going to come up with a story, you know. Texas is always a whiz of a story when it comes to that kind of stuff and behavior.

But everywhere is, you don't know. But the bottom line is, I was, hey, I was doing my thing. I have fun. I enjoyed myself down there in Dallas. And so I would think that the country has changed quite a bit. Do you think they've changed to what other generations went through? Do you think they've really changed? or they've just stopped saying it out loud?

No, I think that people generally have changed. I think that our country, I think that right now is the time where we have this thing where all this stuff's happened on the internet. But until that was happening, I felt that our country was a lot less racist than it was in the past. I mean, I've got to go and travel a lot throughout the southern from California. I got to travel through this sport. I've been blessed with being able to travel to all these crazy places throughout the world,

but even through places in the states that I've been. would never go to, you know what I mean? So like Evansville, Indiana or, or, or, or Jasper, Alabama. And I've had great experiences in a lot of these places that I would have never thought was possible if I thought, uh, if I based it on what I was taught about, you know, some parts of this country. Now, let me ask you this, when you were at this country club last week, this, uh, country music club, sorry, country club, were there all, were there some other brothers in there?

No, no, I was the only one. You were the only one, okay. You know, it's just, uh, I live in, I don't know. I live in a 50-50 type thing. Like I said to you, things have changed, but not really. I still feel it. Not towards me. I'm just saying that I feel it at times.

Like, and I'm not even black, and I feel and see different things. And I just, it's not that I turn my face away. It's that I just, what are you going to do? What can you do? It's something that you could jump up and down about for weeks, and nobody, either you get it or you don't. you know sometimes it's taught at home when you're a child sometimes you bump into two or three you're fucking idiotie of friends when you're 13 and influences you're an early age but besides that

you know it's just something that uh in my world like the way i see it do i see things and i you know yeah i think you just got to do your part right yeah yeah you know i don't know that's right i figure it was my part like i could go to to fort worth and go and experience a place is just like what i do in l.A but i would miss an opportunity to see like a whole part that's going on in this country. And I felt like I was in another country in this place in Fort Worth. So I was like, man, that was a cool experience. It's funny how what society perceives, you know, they want to, like, I think sometimes,

and we've all heard that expression where like Julius serving, for example, like, you know, when I was a kid, to me, Julius serving was everything. As soon as I saw Julius, I was hooked. I liked everything about him, his interviews, whatever. And it's weird how I had other friends in Jersey that they would say things, but they liked Julius. Right. They liked Julius because he was Julius. They would say other shit, like, we had to play fucking Patterson Eastside, or we had to play fucking,

one of the scariest things I ever saw in my life was how to play pretty basketball in Neptune, New Jersey. I was never scared of black people until then, Doug. That was real. That is real. I don't know about Neptune. Oh, yeah. That shit is deep. Camden, them brothers.

You know, and I think about places like Camden, like deep, deep. The only problem ever, and I'm telling you this, people, 53 years old, I did time in prison. And the only fucking bad experience I've ever had when an African American was in Camden, New Jersey. Camden, New Jersey. They don't play. They just don't like fucking whitey. They don't care if he's Cuban, Arab, they just don't like white. You read about over the years how the police force quit there.

That's a different fucking tight. Police force quit. A couple years ago, there was so much fucking crime in Canada, New Jersey. Since I was a kid. Since I was a kid. That's the only place I've been beat. Like, they took my fucking money. Like, they took it.

Like, they didn't give a fuck. That's the only place where I saw a guy in a wheelchair. And the basketball player's name was Dennis Still. I'll never forget this. From Candon, New Jersey, ended up going on like fucking Notre Dame or something. But in the final game, North Bergen beat Camden

when we were in grammar school and Dennis still spitting that guy in the wheelchair's face. You know, he was just a crazy black dude. That's it, you know, but that's the only bad, like, fucking crazyness experience. And I've been in some fucking dark places, though. I did drugs for years.

I did fucking time, you know? So I don't even know what my point was. I gotta stop smoking weed here. But it's weird what people perceive. People see, who were we talking about before on fucking Terrence Howard? Right, yeah.

You know what I'm saying? And they think that's the way, you know, people really don't know and they don't want to know. A lot of people don't know. I went to Tennessee. I went to Purdue, Kentucky a couple weeks ago. I was in a restaurant. And I heard people fucking saying things about Arabs.

Like, I was. loud. Just at like a Like out loud. Some lady said to me, where are you guys flying in from L.A.? And then they started talking amongst themselves in the table next to us.

I don't know how people get on planes and all them Arab terrorists and shit like that. Them motherfucking townheads, I mean, they were going off, Jack. So, you know, I see it. I still hear it. I still, you know what I'm saying?

I still fucking feel it from times. and I'm like I've said a thousand times I'm rationing sensitive from time to time I say some fucked up shit Well it's it's also because there's there's There's a difference there's a difference between I think there's You know there there are some some things And there's stereotypes and some of them are funny and some of them are fun to be along with

But am I going to Are you going to judge what opportunities you would put for someone Or how you didn't react on it based on it? Yeah you know you know some of my friends might make fun of me for different things like that. But that's just, I think, there's a difference between fine and then making some policy on it, you know?

Has no one ever accused you, Dean, of being racist in, like, a fight decision? I get accused of everything in a fight decision. So I can get accused of. I've been accused of everything, yeah. Like, what's the weirdest one? Like, one that just, when you saw it, you're like, what did they talk about?

I don't really remember a lot of them because most of them don't come from anybody that I take an opinion of. Like, if you, if you, Because when you say accusations, I'm thinking like maybe internet or something like that. And yeah, I get accused of, yeah, I get accused of all kinds of strange things. And people come up with conspiracy theories that they know are, that they know to be fact is what they believe in. Yeah.

So I, but I don't, I can't remember one off the bat, you know right off the top. I hate bringing this up again, Lee. I know you're going to get mad at me. You watch People versus OJ Sims? No, because I don't watch TV. Or you better start fucking I'm missing out on some good shit huh TV versus OJ Simpson

and what else what's the other one what's that other one oh vinyl vinyl yeah okay so Tj versus I heard it's good man well the thing about it showed me something I didn't know I didn't know we know on paper OJ was fucking guilty on paper you gotta be an idiot

if you don't think he's fucking guilty they did a great job defending him but in the defense they did expose something they did expose the racism in LAPD but at the end it's really funny how they did it was they fucking got the jury

down town and they got more of a black jury with OJ and the speeches were great last night but it was funny at the end OJ's sitting there he looks up and as fucking the last juror walks how he turns around and he gives him a black power fucking sign he walks out and today they said that in real life that juror was a black power guy

No, but didn't you grow up here? He grew up here. That's why, what were you thinking doing all that? I want to know. When I was thinking doing all that, man, I guess, you know. The day of the verdict, it was really that bad out here? Okay. The day of the verdict, like nobody was at work.

No, yeah, yeah, nobody was at work. People were watching, I tell you, I remember when I was, I remember, because you could listen to it on, you could listen to it on the radio. You were 27 years old, right? Something like that. 26. Yeah, something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, probably like, I think that's how, yeah, maybe 26, 25, 26. Yeah.

I think. So, wait, what do you mean? So people will just tell their boss, like, I can't come in and doj. People were in, I think people were in bars watching it. People were in fucking bars. Oprah had it live. It was on fucking Times Square. Like, people were stopped for the verdict.

Like, that was it. Like, they fucking, the media turned this into something. Yeah. I forgot all. I remember, I remember, yeah, I remember, I remember, I was listening to it. And, yeah, it was a, it was a weird thing. It was a weird thing. It was, it was a weird thing because I think that, like, it was, it was cool to see the LAPD exposed. So, you know, because hopefully that something was going to be that, uh, since, since it was, it was different than the way things normally go, it was cool to see the LAPD exposed and know that maybe they were going to clean it up. And I think they did. I think it did. There was some good done behind that, you know? Say, hey, you know, anything that goes there, it's corrupt.

You can't take anything out of there, you know? Well, it threw Mark Furman out, you know, but Mark Furman, I mean, there's still allegations of shit with LAPD till this day. I see some fucked up shit. You know, Lee's been in the car with me when I yell and scream at him because they do some fucked up shit LAPD. Well, I have to say that the police experience around L.A. area has gotten a lot better than it was when I was growing up here.

in L.A. So they, there's something, something definitely has changed. So the way, the way they police, yeah. Like growing up around your police were, I mean, it was, I mean, police were, where, yeah. And all these suburbs? Everywhere, everywhere. Down L.A., Pasadena, out there everywhere, yeah, yeah. Yeah, when you see the police pull you over, you do not know what kind of experience you're going to have. Yeah. It's that scary. It was. And, and it's not, I don't believe it's like that anymore. I've been, pulled over three times. The cop that gave me the ticket was a black cop on a motorcycle.

Every right to give me a ticket, I was talking on my phone. I was not disrespectful to him, and he was not disrespectful to me. The other two cops were not disrespectful at all to me. They were white. You know, they let me go on a warning. You know, it was on one of the highways. And I know on Fridays and Saturday nights, if you speed on the highways in L.A. and don't drink, they just let you go with a warning.

They feel legit because they don't have time to sit down. with the fucking ticket. So if they look at you and you're not drunk, you're not drunk, yeah. And you're doing 10 over the speed limit. They'll ask you. You tell them the truth. Tell them you sorry.

They'll let you go. And two times I didn't have my license on me. They let me go and no, nothing. How's that one for you? Because for years, I drove without my license. Why? Because I didn't have when I lost on a plane. And there was a Colorado license.

So I was scared to get my California license. So for two or three years, maybe four or five years, I didn't have a license. How did you get on planes? an ID Colorado ID What do you think you're doing with some fucking novice here?

You think I just You know You think I just fell off the fucking raft? It's I've only been pulled over a few times But one time It was like the first time I ever got pulled over They came around the satellite

It was two cops in the car And they had the flashlights And I just It was like right when I got my license And I forgot to turn my lights on As I was leaving a convenience store So it was like it was Whenever I hear

anyone talk about about not knowing what kind of experience you're going to have with the cops it scares the shit on me too it scares but then it doesn't compute I just don't understand it just doesn't make sense to me

because I was lucky enough to never really have to deal with with them judging or I don't know I don't even know what the word would be but that's crazy well I think between that between the O'D and the Rodney King thing

and a few other things I think that they have to come in and clean it up I think you know they have to change what they're doing and I'm glad they did. It's a lot better. Yeah. That case is, because Joe, you always make comparisons to MMA for comedy and everything.

That trial, I haven't watched like the last three episodes, but that trial reminded me of MMA because the beginning of it, all they're talking about, all the prosecution is talking about is how much of a slam dunk the case is, how they got them, how they're going to destroy them. and then just little by little just OJ's lawyers are chipping away at it and then I got up right to the point where they did the glove and it it almost looked like with like Wanderazzi getting kicked Connemagreb, whatever, any upset like that it just seemed like oh they were just not prepared at all for a harder worker it just

it was that I didn't know I knew he got off but I didn't know the intricacies of the case until I started watching the show the part I wish I could have been there to see was Remember, do they do they do this in the show where didn't one of the guys from the prosecution have a, have a heart problems and like back in Judge Edo's change? Yes. When they doubled, he was back there with the two guys. I guess they seemed like they were, I mean, the heart attack. Like they were they, did they talk about it?

They showed the heart attack in the beginning. They lost them and Chris Darden replaced them. Right. Now, did they, was it how did it go down? Was it depicted like these guys are hammering with so many questions and he just got stressed out? They cracked that dude. They cracked them. They just, you know, he was a white dude.

He was out of his league, and he ran up against the Yankees. You know, all that you learned from the OJ thing now compared to 20 years ago that I saw in full effect now was you can't have four fucking Ronda Rouseys. They're going to beat anybody. You know what I'm saying? That's what they went and got. You got the All-Star team. They got the All-Star team. They got Barry Shaq, the other dude, Gar, whatever.

his name was and the other white dude that's crazy, the black dude that's crazy. They had Johnny Cochran. Johnny Cochran. They had, what, the Kardashian? Kardashian. But he's a dead mute. You know, he was worthless. So you had him.

But the geniuses in that were Alan Dershowitz was the game plan. But who did Nathan Lane play? That was the Marine. He was Sammy the Bulls attorney for a while. He was crazy. That guy's a mussel. That guy's a bully. that guy was the one that they know

he's the one that asked Mark Fermi if he said the word nigger have you ever any goes off in court have you ever said the word niggas how many times have you said the word it's like ten questions like oh my god have you ever said it when did you say it are you calling these people a liar have you ever said it would you ever say it

and he just go on crazy he just torment them so they couldn't that first white dude couldn't take it these guys were coming in for they were coming in for the kill that that Barry Shet guy became a fucking savage you know he was was a DNA savage. They swayed the jury. They pushed them into a different direction. It was too late.

They pushed Mark Furman so deep into it. And even last night, he goes, in the fall of 1985, something began. It began when they went up to the steps and he was beaten. And all of a sudden, Johnny Cocknell said, you know what began in 1985? The first time Mark Furman was called to Rockingham. And he saw a white woman running and he saw a black husband. And if he read his memoirs, he said, He pulled couples over all the time, so he found the two gloves. He just painted the path of them. You had eight and nine black jurors.

They were, OJ's a hero in the black community. Listen, bro, let me tell you something. Here's the thing about OJ that you don't understand Lee, that he was a hero in my world. He was a movie star? Nobody wanted to believe it. Everybody loved OJule. And they showed that last night, even when he's shaving,

the cop coming up to him to jail, and going, so today's the big day. He goes, listen, I got a friend over at the hotel. You have nothing to worry about. He was a white dude. And he goes, listen, if I don't get to see you anymore, can you sign this football for my son? I mean, that's what, you know, everybody loved Joe Lee.

Lee, he played football, but everybody loved him. He said the right things. He had the right smiles. He had everything. He had everything going. No. No. And, you know, I'm a criminal.

So in my, I had heard before that he had beat her, never registered, didn't care, had nothing to do with my situation at the time, didn't even judge it. I wasn't there. I know that sometimes when couples argue, shit could get heated. I didn't know that he was beating around a regular. And it's also a big step to go from beating to murder. The cops got called over there like 50 fucking time. So this is the cops' fault from day one if they would arrest them. See, 30 years ago, Lee, if you and Paul got into an argument.

Mm-hmm. And she threw a bottle out of you. And you grabbed her on it and said, Paula, get a hold of yourself. And the neighbor called the cop. The cops will come over. One would take you to a room and one would take Paula to her room. Paula would say you didn't hit her.

That she lost her money through a glass at the wall. And that she, you didn't hit her. You just held her hand. The cops would talk and they come to you and go, can you do us a favor? can you just go for a walk for an hour just get out of the house

you go to a hotel for the night there's nothing happened here this was a misunderstanding against two couples Lee got home late a lot of stresses on the wife she threw a glass but the neighbor heard it

you don't go to jail today you go to jail yeah somebody has to go to jail yeah that's what they say on cops because it has to because that's what happened after OJ. I got arrested for domestic violence.

And nothing, I didn't beat that woman. You know me. What would I be? It was domestic violence because me and her boyfriend fought, and while we were fighting, she tried to break us up. And I pushed her away. And that's still domestic violence. And it just tripled after that.

But when the cops came, they took her and I in the room, and she didn't know. She goes, did you get hurt? And he goes, well, when I was rushing them, I got pushed away. Who pushed out? I don't know. It could have been Joey or the other guy.

We both got arrested. Because there was something involved. And that all happened because of O.J. Really? So you think the entire legal system was changed after that? Wow. Because they had a deterrent. Yeah.

You have to deter it. If it's a rotten relationship, let's put somebody in jail and let's make you fucking really think about this. Is this what you want with your life? Is this piece of ass worth this fucking jail? but now you're on paper so once you get in trouble with a girl with domestic violence even if it's something that simple you're done

you might as well break up with it because it escalates and you're going to keep going to jail and keep getting arrested that's what happened to me it escalates it keeps escalate there's certain people that don't belong together and sometimes when anything when it gets physical you got to be able to get physical you can't you got to go

that's it because it's only going to get worse that was one time. They're going to promise it's never going to happen again. It only gets worse. And if you see it coming, like if you see it, it only gets worse. Yeah, because you're playing with your life. Yeah, so that's what happened.

So before OJ, you wouldn't go to jail. If you didn't punch her in the fucking mouth and hit her in the stomach with a kick, you're not going to go to jail. If you just argue with her and she pushed you and you pushed her and you took the phone out of her hand or you took the luggage out of her hand, you're not going to jail.

You know what I'm saying? Now you're going to go to jail. fucking chat. That's terrifying. It's like OTF relive the entire thing every day. There's no way a day goes by it. When he doesn't think about not killing, whatever he did to them, the trial.

I figured this way. I'm a criminal. I know what it is to do things to people. It feel bad. Even if it's the simplest fucking thing. Even if it was just taking $50 from them. I know exactly how bad it feels, but I also know how it feels when you get away with something. Is it good or bad?

It's a good feeling, but unless you're a fucking idiot, unless you're a fucking idiot, you know you're going to pay for this. So your life becomes something else. Now they show him getting acquitted last night, and he goes home. And in the van, he's like, baby, you know, he thinks it's a year early. When he gets out of jail, OJ, they only showed 10 minutes of that last night, but it was very interesting because it was like that kid

that goes away after high school to college and comes home for him. for Thanksgiving, back to the bar where they used to hang out at, and he thinks that everybody's still there, partying and shit. So when he gets out of the van, he's like, I'm back in, where do he live? Brentwood? He's like, the mayor of Brentwood is back. He goes, this was

the case of the century, tonight's the party on the motherfucking century. And all of a sudden he looks up and there's a thousand people with signs. Murderer, and that's when he starts to get it. And then he goes back to his home, and there's a million people that have with signs, you fucking murderer.

you know, then he goes into his home and his family's there and I'll tell you, I know exactly what it feels like to get out of jail. You feel like you're in the fucking twilight, don't.

Like time stood still, but it didn't, like it stood still in your head? Yeah, and he goes in the shower and he comes out and in this show last night, which was really good,

that's when he realized what he had done. When he came out of shower and sat down was where he broke down. And his son comes in or whatever. Then he goes to his party.

Another thing they didn't know, the party that he threw was he got $400,000 from Star Magazine to take pictures at the party. So that's when at the party. 400,000? To take pictures live at the party. Wow. So this is when he was toasting, they made him say a toast. And that's when Rob Kardashian realized they didn't want to talk to this guy no more. And he goes out to see Rob Kardashian.

But before that something happens, he goes to his son. And he goes, make a reservation for the Riviera restaurant. Book it for 10 people. Better yet, 15, the more the merry. And his son comes back and he goes, dad, the Riviera said no. And he goes, why not? Did you talk to David? Tell David this for me.

Because I did talk to David. And he said, they don't want your kind in that. So when he got out of jail, he thought he had a victory. And he even says to his buddy, where's Marty? Where's Joey? Where's Tommy? And the guy makes up excuses for all of them. so he might have won

but he fucking lost you know and shortly after that he moved to Florida and he continued then he moved to Vegas and he got involved with that so Carmen nabbed him I mean he got away with a double murder this wasn't a drug dealer's fucking coaxeash or

a box of gum you got away you threw out two double murders into the fucking universe what do you think's going to happen that's how long did it take for all that media stuff to die down. So like the case ended. Was it months? Was it weeks? Another year. A whole other year? Because now they interviewed the jury to find out what happened, why they

made the decisions, all the little stories. Did you ever get sick of watching it on TV? I wasn't. At the time, I had read about it and I, you know, I was trying to be a comic, though. I was living in a fucking office on top of a Mexican bar in Seattle, paying on and shit not a window because they didn't have a bathroom in the building. You know, I wasn't worried about the OJ trial at the time as much as this was the show. I just started watching because I thought it was an interesting topic and I wanted to see how they would shoot it. They really... Oh, no, it's into, well, then maybe for you.

For me, I don't think I spent that much time watching it. You know, I mean, but the thing about it, it was one of those things that was hard to escape. It was one of those things that's on everywhere, you know what I mean? It was all the radio. So, you know, you kept abreast of it, but I didn't spend a lot of time watching it. don't, you know, I didn't sit down and watch it. And you could see at the end that was something that I had forgotten. At the end, they showed the people hearing the verdict.

And they showed all, they split-screened it. And they showed all at the time, the real time, they took the real footage. Oh, yeah, that's right. And you could see people are going, you know, and all of a sudden, not guilty. When he said, not guilty, all the black people jumped up. And white people sat there like, you know, and they showed packs of black people. showed crowds that were mixed. The news.

The news were doing. And black people jumping up and down. Then they showed white audiences by themselves and them like holding their heads like fucking white women crying. And shit. And then they showed packs of black people fucking like going crazy. Like when Biggie died, the riot they caused in Brooklyn when they played the limo and they played this music and shit.

It was like that. Like so sometimes you win but you fucking lose. you know Johnny Cochran died a fucking cancer after that the other guy died a brain fucking tumors Johnny Cochran the other guy Kardashian died of cancer you know I mean it was a big fucking scam you pay for your sins you know it was a it was a fucking mile

it was a wild experience for those people the jurors they were sequestered for a year a year a year and you can't work that's I don't think of it has there been trial like that since? I don't think so. A fucking year. When he was walking around after, and that's

how it ends, it ends with him looking at his trophy. With him looking at a statue, him his bronze statue in his living room, his yard. He walks out, but I related to the part of getting out of prison. When I got out of prison, I had no no reservations. I knew exactly

that I was walking out to. I knew I was going to walk out to indifference and people who were my friends weren't going to be my friends. I knew this going in. I knew people who were mildly friends in mine were not going to talk to me now. The people that were friends with the drug dealer definitely didn't fucking talk to me.

Like I had people saying, I'm friends with buyers, the guy you robbed or whatever, and they wouldn't talk to me. So there's always a problem when you get out of prison. But I did my time. I had nothing to worry about.

You know what I'm saying? He got away with a fucking murder. He had a lot to worry about. Look, it caught him three or four years later. I don't want to take him to go back to prison. A couple fucking. In years he was out, maybe five years. People were after him.

I think he got set up, right? Some guys, I think some guys asked him to go, they told him, you got some of your stuff over here, we're going to go get it back with you. But I think they were recording him while there were things were going on. So they're like, okay, they were like his accomplices, but they're actually recording him to turning him in. So I think everybody was kind of gunning from him. That's what I heard, at least.

I saw an interesting thing today. I saw, and this is what my wife said. My wife said the same thing. She saw the John Jones thing. And she said right off the bat, he got pro. filed. And he got pulled over. She goes, trust me. My wife is white. And my wife is a Gentile.

She knows nothing about the criminal life. And my argument was Lee was, what was mine really? What the fuck was he doing? Okay, that's the bottom line. 1149 at night. You're married. You got two kids. What the fuck are you doing out? When you're on fucking probation, you know what I'm saying? With a fucking

$2,000 car. You follow me? You're on probation. A $2,000 car? $200,000 car. $200,000. Whatever the fuck he was driving. Revin high, whatever the fuck he's doing.

You follow me? I think five out of ten cops will pull you over at 1149 if you're revving. Because as I found out a week later, when you rev your engine and a light, that's drag racing. Yeah, I didn't know. I didn't know that either. So today, he said that he was being profiled. And then a couple days later, that cop has been reprimanded for black profiling before. But let's get to the bar.

bottomless. Why did this all happen? Because he was out of the house at 10 to 12 and you're on probation. Is he on a curfew? No, but when you're on probation, you're on an intelligence curfew because you know that anything could happen. OJ. got

set up, but he knew what exactly what he was going to do. Yeah, no, he knew he was going to do it. No, no, no, no. And I love OJ. I'll tell you right out from the heart. And that's thing. I'm just, I'm just agreeing. That's the fact that everybody's kind of was gun inform. Life was set him up. Yeah, yeah. What he didn't know, O.J., was life was setting him up. Life gave him a big

pass. All he had to do was move to Florida. Date black women. You follow me now? Date black women. Keep your mouth shut. Don't let nobody take pictures of you. And he would have gone away. And eventually something would have happened to him. He would have lost a leg in a crocodile accident

playing golf. He would have walked back to Putnam. I mean, that's something would have happened to him. He didn't. He stayed the juice. Everywhere he went, I think people were... He did cocaine. He stayed the juice. That drama followed him.

He didn't have that drama before he killed Nicole. He had pussy drama before he killed Nicole. But he didn't have that karma drama. They did some chicks. You accused him of doing blow. He started doing tons of blow in Miami. He got the 33. It didn't stop.

You know, it followed him. But it's not like... Today I was thinking about something before I got in the shower to come down here. I said, I had a good day today. I did some good things today. And I started thinking about how sometimes you have a bad day and you have a good day. But you control that good day.

You know you can control your good days. Listen, if you get in your car and it blows up, there's nothing you can do. It's nothing you can do, talk. It's not your fucking fault. If you get in your car right now, the battery's dead, and you've got a meeting at 4.30, that's not your fault. That shit happens, you know? That's why you're driving a new car.

You get tune-ups. You know, if you don't pay them, that ticket on your car for $28, after three months, they're going to tell you your motherfucking car. They're going to tell you your motherfucking car. So you're going to go out there right now, and your car's going to be told.

And you're going to want to blame being here, being with Joey Diaz. No, no, no, no. You didn't pay your fucking ticket from the beginning. You knew you got to pay the ticket. That'll give you a fucking warning. You get pulled over for a speeding ticket. You don't pay the ticket.

You say you're going to go to court. You fail it to appear. You get pulled over. You're going to go to jail. You can't blame it. fucking Lee Syed or your wife didn't mail the ticket. But that's what we always blame something. You know what I'm saying?

We always blame something. I love John Jones. Love John Jones. I'm one of his biggest fucking fans, man. I love John. And he's 20 fucking six. You know what 20s mean? Then you could fuck up.

That's what 20s mean. For me, I did time. I went for jail to kidnapping. I didn't know what I got involved. For him, he went out, had a couple drinks, snorted blow, hit some lady, he got scared, and ran away. That's the shit you do when you're fucking scared. and there's drugs around.

It's mistakes. It's called mistakes. You can't judge a person for making mistakes. But don't blame everything. You know, he was out of 10 to 11. Well, the last one, this last incident, I mean, I don't know any of this. I don't really worry about them. I try to not focus on that type of stuff.

But the last one, you know, I wasn't there. You know, it's like, I wonder how that happened, you know? I wasn't there. None of us were there. Yeah. But I tell you what, dog, in 36 arrest, and I look at your face and tell you, I never spoke to a cop that way. And John Jones, his three brothers,

and they've all been gentlemen every time I met them. I know they're tight with the mom, and I know he wouldn't talk like that way. He wouldn't have called him a pig if the guy wasn't accusing him a son. The other excuse I have for John is maybe when I got arrested and I turned myself in, they told me kidnapped.

Like, what the fuck are you talking about kidnapping? I didn't kidnap. I didn't call nobody. There was no ransom note. I didn't know the particulars about kidnapping. John Jones didn't know the particular about drag racing. He didn't know that racing your engine at the light is drag racing. A lot of people don't know.

I didn't know that. I didn't know that. Now, I can see what they're doing. They're like, that's how people start off drag racing. Seven out of ten cops wouldn't give a Frenchman's front. Well,

maybe now because there's a lot of drag racing incident. It's on the five. They closed the five a few weeks ago in the daytime. Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah. But a $200,000. Norma Kloon with a black man. You ever watch that episode of Sanford and son?

When he gets hit in the back with a white man by the Cadillac, he wouldn't shut the fuck up for a week. Lamont kept saying, but Dad, I'm telling you, I can't move my neck. I got hit by a white man and a Cadillac. What's Fred Sanford doing? He's racial profiling. Before it was racial profiling. It was 1975.

What's his name? Why do I call him Red Fox? Sanford. Sanford was racially profiling. Paul Mooney wrote those episodes. Oh, Paul Mooney wrote those. Yeah, Paul Mooney wrote for those. So, you know, fucking a white man, a Cadillac and shit hit me.

You know, I hit the jackpot. Same fucking thing. He saw a black man the $200,000 card midnight. When he pulled up, he realized it was John Jones. And his camera was on and, you know, let this motherfucker ride. But all that, regardless of what he was doing, anybody else was doing, my argument was, what the fuck were you doing on 10 to 11 in that fucking car? 10 to 12.

Well, I wasn't there. No, I'm not too much I'm not saying to lay a fucking opinion. Let me give some shout out to you. We'll talk about this. I was trying to fucking talk to you about it before. I want to thank Louis the Kid for the Animals

album and the teddy bear for my daughter. You know, I love you at all my heart. I love Doug Duar, Michael Gabbard, Brandy Lynn. You know, I love you. Jamie Stanley, J.T. Joe Kylie Barnes, Lance Armand Trout,

Cock sucker, always around, and Dominic Salas, another bad motherfucker I love. So I got to give these people shout out. No, no, you got it. Come on, the animals out.

The animals out. And he showed up at, he showed up at San Jose and told me. He goes, I got you the album. It's going to take a month to get. This guy's cool as shit. So he knows I love him with all my heart. So the reason why I was asking you about college

before I'm working out was because I wanted to know how you came up with this idea. Oh, man. Okay. Let's start with recovery first. Okay. We talk about recovery.

When I was a kid, I got involved in lifting weights. I went from whatever to whatever. I knew nothing about nothing. I just knew that you did fours, five sets of six, and you ate 180 grams of protein, and you got muscles eventually. Right. And you kept doing that shit, and you ran. Nobody told me how to mix up workouts.

Nobody told me how to do cables. Nobody told me how to jump on tables. Nobody told me how to... You know, nobody told you nothing. Then you see, like, Sergio Oliva, the black dude, the black Cuban. You ever see him to bodybuilder? When I was a kid, I saw him in West New York once as a kid, and I went up to him and I go, how do you get so muscle?

And he looked at me in Spanish and he goes, steaks like a motherfucker. So, you know, this is it. And all of a sudden, we evolve, and now we have Gatorade. And that's a sports tree. drink and you drink when you're fucking thirsty. And then over the years, you know, I was telling Lee, when you and I came up, you went to a health food store,

and for $8.99, you bought a container of protein, an egg and milk protein. And you put it in your milk, and you put healthy syrup and an egg and wheat germ and whatever else, and you mixed it up and you drank it. And if you did two of those, you got 60 grams of protein a day and you got muscles. But it was $8.99. Now I go to GNC and to buy protein powder. it's $80 fucking dollars with 10% off with the gold card.

And, you know, I go to this other place for protein that's $49.95. And protein is just all this. And at the end of the fucking, it's like a $2 billion business. And all of a sudden, I started losing, trying to lose weight. And people were saying to me, hey, man, what do you eat now after you work out? I didn't know what they were talking about. And then Justin Fort just like, well, you should eat some tuna with some lettuce because the lettuce will take the acid out. your muscles.

Whatever's in lettuce. And they say that about marijuana and hash, too. Hash takes the acid out of your muscles after you work out. See, I didn't know that about the lettuce or about the hash. Yeah, so you hear all these. I'm just saying the different things you hear. Right, right, right, right. I'm saying, like when you were talking about rules, how rules have changed over the years.

When I was a kid, you went home and you made a milkshake with $899 protein powder. It was lasting you for two months. It was one fucking scoop. But over the years, you know, recovery, the M.A. came along. Then they started scientifically designing different things. And then I went to a health food store when they did to buy protein powder. And the guy goes, what do you do? What do you kind of work out?

How are you doing? And I told him. And he goes, you know, when you do weightlifting, you're doing an anaerobic workout. So little fibers get broken. So you have to rebuild those fibers after you work out. So you should really add something to your thing. So I just used to go home and make a protein shake. You know, but I use this protein shake now as a substitute for a meal,

just to get those 30 grams, no banana, just straight protein. I get, I keep the carbs low. So now they start telling me about recovery. So I started buying this thing, PM 360. It's watermelon flavor, not fucking bad. I like it to have it in all other flavors. I just took the watermelon one then. I like how it taste.

I did it for a month, you know, because I'm 53, and I want every appetite. I don't want to feel sore. Right, right. You know, I want to be able to do five workouts a week, and you can't. It's when you, my eight, sometimes I do four and I can feel it. And another friend of mine started saying, you know, you should mix up your recoveries and all this stuff. And also I'm on the phone with you one day.

Okay. And you tell me about recovery. So just talk to me. Tell me, people at home. Well, first of all, I'm like you, man, I, even though I've done martial arts for a lot of my life, I didn't really understand a lot about, you know, diet or protein or anything. I was always eating horrible. I just, for the last few years, started to pay a little bit better.

attention to what I eat and the things that, you know, and I realize a lot of the injuries I would have gotten, I wouldn't have gotten if I hadn't been, if I had been hydrated, you know. But how this, how this came about is, you know, Savant Young, that's who I train with, Fight Academy. Savant Young, one of his fights, he, after, he rehydrated with an IV. This was a few years back. And he ended up getting edema. He got swelling.

He started retaining water and needed medical attention. So he was talking to a friend of it as a doctor, and the doctor was telling him, hey, that's not actually the best way to rehydrate orally. Orally is the best way. And here's some things you should put in there, and you should make sure you have this, and you should have that. Then you thought about it, go, well, let me get a friend. And he goes, well, you know, we should make it a product.

This is a need for this because there's nothing really good at it. The best thing out there is pedolite, which is awesome for what it is for, you know, babies. After the baby's been, you know, thrown up and pooping or whatever, you know, the baby, babies get dehydrated and you need something to help them out. But the baby doesn't have a lot on his schedule. He doesn't have to go, you know, fight the next day or, you know, so it's perfect for that. We, the needs of a depleted athlete because our athletes in our sport, they cut weight. And that weight cut depletes them of their water. It depletes them of their electrolytes. also need other micronutrients, other like magnesium, things like that.

Also, one of the main things we've noticed is that the athletes have a hard time holding something down so they can't get stuff back into their system. Even after they've taken the IV, their enzymes in their stomach are not ready to take in the food and get the most out of that food they're taking in afterwards. So they're getting bloated. That's one of the things in F2 is it has things in it to reactivate the gut and get your diet. digestive track working again. And so it is going to help you recover after that weight cut, but it also helps you recover after it's great. So recovery is recovery. If you're dehydrated,

if you need to get the glycogen back into your muscles, all these things you need, however you got that way, this has it in there for you. So I use F2 when, after I work out, especially after I've sweated. I use it after my workouts. And I feel that I've, did I get the most out of my work? I used to get those games after that. And also so I'm not wiped out, like afterwards, because a lot of times after some of my harder workouts, I'm wiped out for the rest of the day.

If I drink the F2, I'm back in the game, and I'll also get more out of my workout. Now, when you're talking about workout, is it a weight workout or just, I'll tell you do a kickboxing workout for an hour and a half. You still do F2. Oh, definitely F2 with something like that when you sweat. So usually, let's say if I do like,

because usually I rarely do a weight workout, that's without a conditioning component to it. So most of my workouts are cardio. Like I'll go for a run or I'll go do hills. Or if I do weights, I'll do weights first. And then I'll have a conditioning part to it that's going to be heavy and it's going to wipe me out. So I'm definitely going to have F2 after that. Or after a grappling workout.

Because, you know, when you grapple, how much weight, if you have a nice long session, one of those days where you get in a few rolls, you could sweat out quite a few pounds. you're definitely going to need some F2. When I sweat out a few pounds, I don't want to put them the fuck back. That's number one. But it's weird when I go over the Alberto's. But see, that's what's important.

When you sweat out some pounds, if you sweat and lose pounds, you need to replete yourself. You need to get the water back into your system and you need to get it because you're going to feel better. You're going to wipe her out. It's nice. You lost the pounds and it feels good.

But you're doing your body a disservice. You're going to feel better. And also the main thing is that's how the injuries happen. You know, you get torn muscles When you're working out and you're dehydrated That's how you get the muscle tears Especially at the age we are now And I forgive me

I don't remember if it was every athletic commission But I think it was California Didn't one of them just ban IV? Okay, yeah, yes they did And I believe that And the UFC does not use IVs at all anymore So they have It's just part of their policy

None of the athletes are allowed to use IVs So the reasoning because I took it. I'm brand new into any sort of supplements or anything like that. And I was, honestly, I was nervous just because sometimes you have something like that, and it tastes like chemicals or something. Where it tastes like lemonade to me. But so when you are going to fighters or anything like that and saying, okay, since you can't use IVs, use this, is it that you, is it all the whole package? Is it, oh, you're going to get replenished? Because you're only drinking 16 ounces of water. You're not drinking a ton of water.

No, because, well, an athlete after he cuts weight, he's going to use more than one pack. After my workouts, I use one pack. After you've done a weight cut, you would use it like you would use pedolyte. And like the athletes usually use at least a, you know, a liter to two liters. Some of the guys using two and a half, three liters. So that time, in each one of these makes half a liter. So they would be using a lot more than you would use after your workout. But after a workout, I just use one.

What do you recommend for that package? For this package. How much water? Yeah, making 16 ounces. I'll say you drink one of those. Like I usually do. I walk in the door. I put my bag down.

I go right in the kitchen. I put 16 ounces in a water thing. I fill that up. I shake it up. I go to, I take the gear out, dry it, the knee pads, the whole thing. I get on jiu-jitsu, whatever, work out, and I write down what I learned, and I write down mat time, what technique I learned. I shoot in the shower.

When I got out of shower, I'm fucking thirsty again. Like, I'm, you know, that was just like an appetizer of war. Right. Do I drink another package of that or do I just drink straight water this time? I think for you after your workouts, I think one packet and there's some water afterwards. And this is going to make you want to drink some more water because that's part of what it's supposed to do. It's going to help you absorb water. So yeah, drink one of these packages in water. Now someone who's, and then see how you feel, you know.

If you had an extremely exhausting day where you might have, you know, a long day and you were dehydrated, maybe two. But you don't have to do two right away, you know. Now, an athlete after he's made weight, he's going to do two to six. What about, what about, like, a baseball player? Because when you're watching other sports, too, they always have, like, Tom Brady always has this gatorade bottle, but it's not gatorade. I don't know what it is. Does it work in game? Yeah, it's definitely going to work in the game.

So, like, let's say even for a wrestling tournament or a jiu-jitsu tournament, you know, you're going to have matches throughout the day. You're definitely going to take it. If you're playing football, you're going to definitely need to drink something like this at halftime, you know what I mean? So, yeah, it definitely works during the game. And, yeah, you noticed the difference fast. I feel better right away. Let's say you have a long night out. Definitely drink this in the morning.

Maybe drink one before you go to bed. Let me ask you this. When I work out and I go home and I was making the mistake of drinking a protein shake, what's the difference doing me drinking a protein shake? You have protein in yours. I read the pamphlin. I talked about the carbs. It's got in yours.

Better carbs, simple carbs? Yeah, well, it's got complex answer. So there's, it's important to have both. And how many grams of carbs in that when I have that? Because most people, everybody wants to be fucking no carbs no more. Right, yeah, yeah. And I don't have it with me exactly how many grams of carbs are in here. But it's, but the other thing about it is when you do,

when you do take the carbs, there's other things in here. They're like the pecolonate and things like that. they're going to help you get them into your muscles right away so that they're not going and giving you a glycogen spike and especially having the simple and carb and the complex there's a few things that have been done there so that you're not the main thing that people are avoiding carbs they really don't want to have that that glycogen spike is what they don't want you know right serving size uh calories yeah 24 grams that's not fucking bad Oh, that's perfect.

And a lot of those aren't simple. And that's 24, so that's not per package. Per package, it should be, yeah, 24, yeah, per package. And a lot of those aren't, so eight of them are complex carbs. And then 16 of them are simple. So how long did it take you to come up with this formula? And because it's, I can't imagine it's like the first mix. You're like, okay, it's perfect.

Okay, yeah. So first of all, I didn't come up with it. guy who came up with it is his name is Kurt Hong and he's a MD is a PhD he's a went to Harvard Medical School cellular molecular pathology at UCLA he's the executive director of the Center for Clinical Nutrition and Applied Health Research at Keck School of Medicine USC he's a nationally recognized physician and a nutrition specialist and he wrote for the New England Journal of Medicine he's a really smart guy he's the one who came up with And he, when he took on the task, he did some research.

He didn't just whip it out, you know, from boilerplate. I mean, just his students could whip something out. But he actually spent some time researching and put a lot of thought into this. And it took two and a half years. And yes, it took a lot of different trial and error. The taste wasn't right. It didn't mix right. Things like that.

A lot went into it. It's crazy how you, how many ways there are in today's society. Another thing that's changed. How to take care? carry yourself. Right. You know, how to really get the most of your workouts, you know, Jesus Christ, when I first started fucking around with this, I never knew.

I'd still be interested in this at the age of 50. I never thought I'd be alive with 50. No of mine interested in this. And I'm more interested in jujitsu than I ever was anything before. Like, it's keeping me alive lately. Like, it's the anchor in my day. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's a great thing.

I like going over and I like sweating. I don't care if I suck. I'm just going to keep. going and eventually I'll get it you know in time Alberto has to give you belts they'll give you the belt but eventually it could be at the brown belt level one day I'll wake up and I go oh I get it I got a pull here and push there you know whatever it doesn't matter to me like I just I have a child and I want to be healthy for that child and it's so weird how you know I've been stuck on a certain

weight for the last couple weeks but my shirts are bigger my pants are bigger I'm doing more in Jiu-Jitsu you know, when I first got there, I couldn't get past the fucking warm-up. So my first couple weeks was just doing the warm-up effectively. Doing it to form, you know, I told Lee that the guy told me, he goes, for conditioning, I just don't want you to stop. I don't believe in you going over to the corner and breathing heavy. I don't believe in that.

So this is what I want you to do. He goes, instead of doing 20 fucking jumping jacks, do 10. Do 10 of everything at first, but I want you just to work on the form. And if you're out of breath, I still want you to get in. a push-up position. Just don't do push-ups. Maybe do number three, four, and five.

And the next time we do it, do number two. But he goes, I just don't want you stopping, you know. And all these little things help me. Like today, you know, I had to carry mercy from my house to the corner today. And I did it. I could never do that. Was it like a, were you doing like a farmer's walk? No, she just didn't want to walk this morning to school.

I'm like, are you fucking serious? Because my cardio was shit when I first wake up in the morning. I get real anxiety if I could do something real quick. I got to move around a little bit. I had to pick her up, and she only weighs 30 pounds, but I said I fucked up heavy pounds, and I had to walk down the fucking street with it. And I kept making personal goals to myself.

If I get it to that tree, I'll put it down. And I made it to the tree, and I could still breathe. I just slowed down a little bit, but kept holding her. And even though I felt like putting it down, they go, if I could make it to that driveway, and I made it all the way to the fucking corner. And I was dead. Oh, my God.

I started fucking sweating from every office. I couldn't stop. My body went into shock, but you know what? Six weeks ago, I couldn't walk to the corner with it. Not even close. Jiu-Jitsu, right? Not even close. No.

Breathing. Breathing. It's not Jiu-Jitsu. I wasn't breathing. I was holding, and I still catch myself over there, holding my breath. Saturday, yeah, this Saturday I'm going to a breathing seminar. And Anthony Harding School. Okay.

He's doing, she's not, she's a lady. Yeah, heard. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. She's doing the time of flex. So I'm going to go down. I've been talking to that lady for about four months now. We've been talking on the phone and she gives me little exercises to do. But this week I'm going down on her Saturday from four to seven. Yeah, I'm going to work that out.

I'm taking the steroids now to lower the inflammation in my nose. So when I go back to the doctor, I can breathe a little bit. This time I'll take like a shroom tech. That's an on-it product. That's a quadricep mushroom that gives you more oxygen when you're breathing. Sometimes I get so much oxygen. gyms from those shroom techs, I got anxiety. Like, too much fucking air.

You know what I'm saying? Like, too much it's coming in. I'm fucking dying. I got to try those. Yeah, I should have got you something. I just got the last thing, and I opened it up. If not, I would have brought you something. But I'll get you some quads.

Some shroom tech sport and some shroom tech immune. Okay. They're fucking good. They're really good. You know, if you fly, the shroom tech immune is good. And if you work out, the shroom tech sport is really good because it's those mushrooms that are grown up in high altitude. So it prepares your body for high altitude.

You know, Rogan will explain about more of you. You got to go on on and I'm terrible when it comes to that shit, man. And now how can they get this? How can they get the episode? Okay, so they can get the F2 Fight Formula at F2Firmula.com. And, you know, follow us on Instagram, F2 Fight Formula, and you'll be able to find it in there. And, yeah, you'll be able to get it at F2Fiteformula.com,

just punch it in, go to the website, and you can buy it right there. One flavor? It's citrus flavor. Yeah, it's like a citrus. Right, right. It's good. It's good. Yeah, it's a good flavor.

And what I like about it is I didn't not realize, for me, the biggest thing about this is I didn't realize that how I'm normally depleted whether I've been working out or not. Just because I don't pay enough attention to my hydration or to the getting these micronutrients in. And so taking this two or three times a week after my workouts, I have a general overall better feeling. Like everything feels better. And that's what I noticed. That's the biggest thing I noticed about it. And it's like, I feel like, man, it's so shame that I spend a lot of my life depleted and not taking care of myself, you know?

When if I go for a blood test, they always say, drink more water. You're not drinking enough water. I think it's the fucking edible, especially if I eat one of them at night. You wake up at 4 in the morning, thirsty as fuck, Jack. Thirsty is fuck. So the ref school is sold out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, so I'm going to be doing my ref school on June, 3rd, 4th, and 5th.

It's full, so I'm going to be probably doing another date soon. people are reaching out to me. I'm actually going to start taking people for the next day. I'll probably do it in fall. During the fall, usually I only do it once a year, but it seems like a lot of people want to do one. And also, I want to keep the size of the class low because it's just better when I work with.

I mean, you know, when I've worked with groups of over 20, it's too many people. So I keep it definitely under 20. Right around 15 is good. So I think I'm going to drop it up into two classes this year. So I'll do another one probably around October. and they go to the web page. Yeah, go to Herbdeen.com.

Fuck, Neen.com and check it out, yeah. What do you got plan for the weekend over there, fuck-oh? I'm not sure. I'm not going to see Paul this weekend, so I'm just, I'm not going to go to kettlebells to 8 in the morning on Saturday. They were trying to convince me to do it today, and I was like, 8 in the morning. That's tough, but I'm my teachers?

I think Dave, I'm pretty sure Dave does. But it's, that's it. I'm going to do that. I'm going to, uh, I just did a life of neutral yesterday. Just kind of relax. All right. Yeah, what about you got coming up? brother.

Oh, man, this weekend I'm at home, so I'm going to relax. I'm going to have a good time and just enjoy L.A. It's going to be a serarity for me. And then the next couple weeks, the UFC kicks up again. Yeah, so yeah, after this, this weekend, so this weekend I'll be home. And after that, I think, where I go this next? Oh, this next one I think I go down to Florida. And then after Florida, I come back and go to Vegas.

That's the Tampa one. Yeah, Tampa. That's the one that the Russian, the kid just fell out. Yeah, then on the, oh, he fell out. Yeah. Alka Kui fell out. And then the 30th, I'm going to go, I'm either going to go,

someone invited me to go down to Trinidad, Tobago, and referee some fights. I really want to do that. But these guy, he hasn't contacted me, so I might, I just got someone just invited me to go to China. So I'm going to make sure he wants me to come. I'm either going to be in Trinidad or I'm going to be in China.

Yeah. Then. Getting all those frequent fire, Mom. Yeah, man. I try to stay busy, you know. Then sometime or another, I'm going to go to Korea in May, yeah. And then, yeah. got all the UFC dates and you're on everything.

You do the Bellator. Yeah, you do it. I do it. I do it. If somebody calls me, I go and referee it. That's what I like to do. You got shit to do on people to motherfucking see. Yeah, that's right.

It's just good to see you, man. I was supposed to fly with you a couple weeks ago. The last UFC, the Connor McGregor one, we were going to meet 1130 and fly out of. Right, yeah, yeah. But I had a move my flight. I had an audition, so I had to move my flight later on. And as I was moving, I go, fuck, I told UrbD and I meet him at the fucking airport, man. Yeah, when's the next show that you're doing?

Friday I'm in Santa Barbara with Joe and Tony Hinchcliffe. Friday you guys are doing Santa Barbara? This Friday. Okay. I'm off all next week and then I'll be at the Comedy Store. And then I'm in Buffalo or the Helium, which I dig Buffalo and then I'm in Indianapolis. I'll dig Indianapolis. So there's two good weeks back to back.

Right. That sounds like fun. Yeah, I got Sacramento, and I got Pittsburgh. Oh. Then I got Omaha, Nebraska, and I got Philadelphia. I got the ice. house. I got Vegas with Joe for UFC 200 and the Expo. I got Nashville. I got New York, Austin, Columbus, Chicago, Las Vegas. I got a hell of a schedule all the end of the year. When people ask you your favorite plays, are you good at picking out favorites? I'm horrible to pick out. People pick out, ask me to pick out favorite stuff. I can't pick out a favorite. I always think about it. I always think about it when I go home. And here's the deal. That it's favorite for a certain thing. Right.

Like, you know what I'm saying? That's hard. Because I can't pick out. I can't pick out. I can't pick out. I don't think about it. I don't think. I I like going. Listen, if I go to your city one time, I don't like it, I won't go back. Right, right. I'm one of those fucking dudes. I just, but I've always found the beauty where I go. Like, there's always a reason that something gets me psyched up about that area. Right.

You know if there's a hot dog stand in front of the hotel. I just went somewhere where they had a hot dog stand in front of the hotel. I didn't eat any hot dogs, but it made me happy. Right, right, right. Just to know, there's a motherfucking sabrette hot dog stand in front of a fucking hotel. Charlotte! Charlotte, the week before the Super Bowl. A sad bread stand, not just a hot dog stand, but a sad bread stand, but no, I'm only kidding.

Just different things. Like Buffalo, I like the people, and I like the fucking beef on wick sandwich. Okay. Indianapolis, this is one place I went to eat that was really good, a steak place. They meant like a six-ounce filet with a nice salad, fucking delicious. And I like the people. The people have to be the best thing about that city. You know, I like the people when I go to Texas, you know.

And then there's places that I have. don't like, but we all conserve that. We all converse that. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, when you perform in Vegas, I don't really have a home in Vegas, but the South Point. When I do the shows with Joe, a lot of the same people come to the show, so it's nice seeing that. Right, right, right. When I go to Austin, I got a certain amount of people you see, you see Bobby Sharon. When you go to Chicago, you see the crazy dude in the fucking wheelchair, Michael Kern shows up to all your shows. So you start having relationships with different people who are coming to see. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know that coming.

You know, when I go... Like some of these, like this guy who sent you the ad... Right, like he came to San Jose, okay? So that's one of the guys who come sees your... Right. Brandy Lynn came to Minneapolis. Jamie Stanley came to Boston and she'll come to Connecticut. You know, people like that, they come to different shows.

And you keep... And you know, the people... Okay, I mean, I think that I have great supporters and great people in the sport. I have a lot of people who follow me and support me. But usually when they reach out, they want something from me. None of them ever reach out to give me little gifts like this. Yeah. You know, we give each other something.

We give each other something. You know what I'm saying? Like we just, we give time and we talk, and sometimes people email me. Sometimes we talk about something that's a subject they've been thinking about. You know, we did a podcast Monday. It was just me and him. People really dug it because we spoke about breaking down different subjects. I got tormented about saying I don't like fucking cartoons.

People got pissed off at me and shit. adult cartoons. I hate adult cartoons. I hate it. I just hate how people get addicted to him and you're a fucking adult. Get out of the house. If you're telling me you're at home

jerking off watching porn, I get it. When I ask you, what are you doing Saturday night? You're telling me you staying home to watch the Avengers or something because Death Man is on the episode. I want to shoot you.

Like, I want to fucking shoot you as a goddamn adult. But that's just my own personal fucking taste on people. You know, sometimes you just get pissed off. But I'm happy you can. I haven't seen you in a while, man. Yeah, no. It's good to be honest.

you back on and just talk some shit on a Wednesday afternoon. Yeah, it's nice. I like your new digs here. Yeah, no, we don't fuck around here. This is the office of debt. That's right. We got the hash pipe. We got the record player. You can't lose in this motherfucker. A mini fridge? That's all you need. A mini fridge. I mean, yeah, this is as good as it gets. Brother, thank you for coming on.

Hey, thank you for me. Let me give a shout out to my sponsors and we'll get you the fuck out of here. And you got to go now, whatever you want to do. We'll just take five more minutes here. I already gave him a shout out, but let me do it again. My people are on it, who I love with all my heart, the hemp force protein. I love the, you know, I live on the Shroom Tech sport and the Shroom Tech immune. I just got the alpha brain and little packages that you could just do individual, like in a water bottle.

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Yeah, yeah. Okay, see you there, brother. All right. Lee, what's up with you, my brother? Yeah, just go take our life in neutral. Johnny Rock and I, he's a young comic in LA. We had a great time yesterday. It's been, we've done about 14 episodes and is growing.

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