The Church of What's Happening Now: The New Testament - #374 - Frank Mir and Richard Hunter

Episode Date: April 26, 2016

Frank Mir, Two time UFC Heavyweight World Champion and host of the Phone Booth Fighting MMA podcast along with Richard Hunter, join Joey Diaz and Lee Syatt live in studio. This podcast is brought to you by:   Texture. Go To texture.com/JOEY to get a free trial for the Texture App. The Texture App gives the use access to hundreds of magazines.   Helix Sleep: Go to helixsleep.com/JOEY to get $50 off of your order.   Onnit.com - Use Promo code CHURCH for a discount at checkout.   Recorded live on 04/25/2016.


tormenting him 30 minutes before you got there, the Diaz way. I had him all fucked up. I had him so psychologically bent that he was actually thinking. And then he would turn to me and say, I know who you are. I know who you are. He didn't know dick. I never saw that fucking moron before in my life.

I was at a fucking hotel in Miami and some people said, do you want to come play basketball? Jose Canseco is having a party. And I went over there, and he wasn't there. Some fucking dude, his friend, had a party. A bunch of people that were playing basketball. And I was there for maybe an hour when I fucking left.

That was it. But it was funny. That's how I started torturing him. I was at your house that night, no fire. morning remember over by the beach remember that once i was breaking

this house down for him i was getting i was like alfred fucking hcock i couldn't get away with him and he fucking kept looking at me and turning away and i kept tormenting him and tormenting him little by little at the same time the audience people like get to get him the fuck out of here the audience people are like fuck you conseco fuck you and right then in the middle of all this

You walk up. And I go, what's going on? And I go, this fucking mutt. And he heard it. He heard it, the poor bastard that he is. He showed up with his daughter with a miniskirt on. Do you remember she had like a fucking miniskirt and had the chick with him? Yeah.

And by this point, people started to throw little things at him. And finally security saw it and came and pulled him out. That's what saved them. By people, do you mean you? No, I was right. He would kill me. He would beat the fuck out of him. He was right in front of me.

Then I put Eddie Brum. I want him to torture him. To tell him he needed to learn Jiu-Jitsu. Don't be talking to me. You need to talk to him. You want to fight people. He needs to learn J-Jitsu. Now I had him all fucked up.

Now I had him all. He was in bankruptcy court. You know what I'm saying? And then I got my hands on him. I was tormenting him. That poor bastard. He had no idea. He had no idea.

He wrote that book. He's due a little bit. Yeah, that's it. He's due. You got a torment him. You have to torment him. He's soul his soul. Once you sell your soul.

And the funny thing, thing is he's got like eight million people on Twitter phone. Yeah. Like he's a walking business and he's a fucking moron. Yeah, man. I mean, hey, you know what? We all have, you know, skeletons in our closet. Oh, please.

If you want to go ahead and, you know, you want to sell your business, do you do it, you don't throw everybody else down with it, you know what I mean? No, he'll never, and even like Sammy the Bogovano could come out and he'll get a medal. But this guy, I don't know, he did something that people really fucking got pissed off on him about, which is like fuck with baseball. Yeah. And those are too, like, just, you know, this kind of man law, you know what I mean? Like, you know, you go out a bunch of guys, I don't give a shit, you know, everybody's on their own, you know.

One of my buddies, his wife calls my wife and goes, hey, did you know? And then my wife looks at me and goes, do you know, I don't know anything. She knows I'm not going to know anything. What's the model of the show, Malie? I don't know nothing. I don't know nothing. I don't even know what you're talking to me. The only person you got to worry about is me.

Because I don't know what you're talking about. I really don't know what people. When people come up to me and ask me questions, what this guy's phone. I don't know what you're talking about. I don't... Phone numbers. They look at you all weird. My wife always goes,

how do you do that? I was raised in a home where they, you know, Mita Oia Gaya, number one. Whatever happens in here, nobody knows fucking nothing. And you don't know nothing. I remember hanging out with kids

and they'd be talking about drugs or something. And I used to go to my mom's bar and I'd see people smoke pot. I could never rat on them. I would never say anything about marijuana. You ever see anybody smoking pot? Me? Never.

I don't know nothing. I grew up in a very different part of the East Coast than you. Because, like, I grew up in a town where, speaking of cigars, I was at a cigar place with my friends in high school once after we turned 18. What happened? A mom drove by, I saw me, and by the time I got home, my mom knew about it. That you were smoking cigars? Mm-hmm. And what she did?

No, she didn't do anything, but she just, she had that common. And I got mad. I'm like, why are people driving around this town? It's weird. You have a small town. So in a way, you have kind of the same thing. They just don't tell, I guess. It's still gossipy, I would have imagined.

Like North Bergen? Well, it's small but big. And what kills me about where I'm from, it's that it's supposed to be like an East Coast town, but they're like fucking rednecks in the way. You know what I'm saying? And like, you know, the mentality is like very stay in town and get a job and whatever.

So not that they broke my balls growing up and nothing, you know. I'm just saying, you know, play some music and start this motherfucker off the right way. Absolutely. Let's do this shit. Do this shit. This show was brought to you by Helix Sleep. Go to helixleep.com slash Joey right now to save $50 off of your order. Helix Sleep allows you to make custom mattresses that usually would go for thousands of dollars,

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Monday night. April 28th. You bad motherfuckers. The devil was buried at sea. Oh shit. Oh shit. I ain't going to sit here and tell you I did backflips with a prince. You know me, Doug.

I tell you how it is. Listen to this song. There's a bad motherfucker. You understand me? Before you put R-I-P-Tweater Prince on your Twitter, put a purple shirt on and get your dick sucked. You know what I'm saying? Fuck it.

There you go, Frank Miel. Motherfucker, what? Hit him! Actually, then I got to go to one of his concerts before. Yeah, fuck yeah. It was a couple years back. My wife, Prenderra's got his tickets. She's a big fan.

I like Prince. I wasn't as, you know, I wasn't as, you know, as she was. And she knew all the history, Purple Rain, the whole video. And it's funny because, you know, she's like, you know, it's a sexy guy. I'm like, really, baby? He's like five foot two, you know, fucking 120 pounds soaking wet.

You know, what's this whole sexy? And we're sitting there and we're like, you know, two rows back. And all of a sudden, you know, he's singing, he's dancing on stage, all live band. And like, you know, he looks over and we make eye contact for a second, you know. And I'm like, oh, I get it. Because I think I just, I think I crossed over to the side there for about a split second. I was questioning my second. my sexuality for the

I was like, oh, okay. That's what you're talking about. He's bad to the bone. Rest in peace, man. Holy shit. That's crazy. What's up, Lisa? You're sitting there on mumble-dumble-dumble.

You're stuttering through the fucking intro. What happened? No, it's the 725. I'm doing good. Did you eat the fucking sandwich that, buddy? I stood in line for 40 fucking minutes. You understand me? 40 fucking minutes at Porto's.

It's never, it is a fucking nightmare. You don't know. I'm gonna get to enjoy one. No, I brought him on Pistella de Guayava. I don't fuck around. That's good stuff, man. It's flat-bed crushes. It's awesome.

Thank you, Joe. We don't fuck around. Dog, a little something for a little energy for late night. That's right. We're gonna lie a car right home, man. Listen, on the way home, you hook her right over here. You stay on the street. And you stay on all the way down.

Don't fucking make a move. Okay. And you get a nice Starbucks, like a professional. But yet, there's a Starbucks. That's the shit that there's a 7-11. That's the shit ice his drinks. Yeah. Fuck Starbucks.

You want to be out at night. You're making a long... You drink the right. Black coffee. Yeah, bold. Brazilian, bold, fucking Starbucks. Not like a coffee, though. No, no, that shit will fucking kill.

You ever go to Miami International Airport and when you're flying that? Look at Starbucks. Dead. Dead. You got to be a moron. Look, a Canadian goes in there. Because right down, they have like a Versailles or something.

For 150, they give you the fucking Super Duper Cup. Yep. But anybody that knows, like, if you have a heart condition, you break that. the fours. When you go to Miami, like the old school, it's when you're driving on whatever the fuck it is, and you see those corner in bodegas, and you see four Cubans, five Cubans and a woman talking, pull up, and they have the cup, and it's a 150, and four people will put a shot down each and toast and everything. And they'll be sitting there all day doing these fucking blasts,

smoking a cigar, drinking coffee. By the time four o'clock, Humbley, the head's spinning. You understand your head's spinning. You're in a lot. You're in a lot. a trance. You're in a complete coffee with a fucking cigar all day. Is it like a high? Oh my God, it just takes you to a different zone. God forbid you throw a joint there or one of those Cosby pills. That's what I was telling you. The last time

we were there coming out of Miami, my wife's like, I'm going to go over, you know, we're getting through security so she's going to go get her, you know, bottle of water, grab a little, you know, some, you know, snacks whatever. I'm like, oh, I'm going to go get a coffee real quick, you know, so the Versailles right there, I grab your sandwich, so we're sitting there and that's when I was like, oh, man, I'm going to get Cordito.

So that's why I told the girl, you know, like, hey, I'm going to buy three of them, but I need you to pour them all in one cup. Because my wife's going to tell me that if I drink too many of these, it's going to hurt my heart. So you just hook it up. Don't put nothing on the outside of the cup and screw me over here. You know, because, you know, I'll walk back over and she goes, how many shots are like, oh, I just won't. And then she looks at the cup, you know, sees a three written on it.

I'm on, no, no, charge me for three, but put it in one cup. I was lit up on the plane. Oh, my God, you get lit up on the plane. And they put the sugar already in it. Yeah. Squash it in there. Yeah, you got it. They put a little bit of milk

and they put like a little paste. Then they blasts. The next time you go to Miami International, don't fuck around. Go up to the Cuban later that thing. Go listen. Give me one sandwich for here. But give me three to go.

Don't cook them. I shall give them to you to go. You put them in your bed, nobody knows none. You take those motherfuckers home the next day. You put those in your oven at $3.50 for about $20. Wait till that shit gets brown. Wait till you smell something.

Right before you down 911, you take that fucking bread out. Bam! That's how you smuggle Cuban food out of Miami. You understand me? Just like that. Buffalo, New York was great. Thank you for coming to the fucking shows this weekend.

I had a good time. Buffalo's an old-school blue collar city. They will stab you there. Like you can tell it gets really fucking cold. People don't fuck around. Ain't nobody going to wrestle you there. It's a quick fucking hit in Buffalo. They hit you with a stick, a bottle.

Too cold to be fucking around, huh? Too cold to be fucking around. You ain't going down on no mats there or nothing like that. Maybe inside. I thought they will fucking stab you. It was fun. Helium is a great club. What's going on, Frank, me.

What's going on with you, my man? Everything all right? Yeah, we're out, you know, letting people know about our phone booth fighting podcast. Frank and I are doing... And you guys read EBI last night. Yeah. Phenomenal show, man.

Unbelievable. I'm so glad Eddie Bravo is doing what he's doing with that show, bringing back Jiu-Jitsu, the way it should be, the way I started training it, looking for people to, you know, to go for submissions, you know? If it ain't going to break a bone

or choke someone out, why we're bothering, you know, then it's a game, you know, we're just playing grab ass on the ground, you know. He does it the right way. Motivating people, and people have tried to bring that back. You know, Abu Dhabi had that, you know, no points for the first 10 minutes or five minutes, whatever, call out points, you know.

Meta Morris has been trying to do it, okay, no points, but then guys still just stall because you get situations where you get, you know, you get a world champ blackbell jiu-jitsu. Like, hey, man, if no one submits no one, they're going to call it a draw, you get guys that, you know, they're decent, but now they're like, ah, man, if I can go ahead and roll with, like,

Roger Gracie or a, you know, Buccecha or, you know, Drysdale or somebody of this high level, they don't tap me. I could say I fought them to a draw. I'm like, yeah, you didn't fight him to a draw. You just, you ran. And I like what Eddie's done with his show because you only get paid if you submit people. So you see guys, what I saw last night was everybody was hunting the whole time looking to take something home with them, you know, take someone out.

They're making stars in that thing, too. Like Gary Tonin, we just had him on our phone booth fighting podcast last week. This guy, like, I love this EBI stuff, you know. And when I heard that they were going to start going to fight pass, you know, which where they are now, I was more excited about that than any UFC. And that's been talking about it. He was geeking over. Yeah.

Good time. Because I've been burned out a little bit on jih Tzu the last couple years, you know, just because of all the points and the way the guys now, the system they play. And I say that all the time and tell people, like, hey, man, he still put the guy on. I'm like, the rule system for training that style and going there and doing tournaments doesn't apply any more to fighting. And ain't like it was when I trained in 2000. when you get a guy who's a blackmail jihitsu,

if he told you he was going to go do a fight in MMA, UFC pride, whatever, two or three fights in, he was dangerous, you know, already. Now you've got guys that can be world champions on the point system and they have a gimmick at how they play and they win, but then it's like, yeah, but that ain't going to work in a real fight. You know, it doesn't work in MMA. And it shows they're not making the transition over.

You're not seeing world champions in IBJJ coming over and making a huge impact in the MMA world. But if you got guys, like, I mean, right now, if you told me Gary Tonin or Eddie Cummins or even that kid right now, Gordon Ryan. If he told me he has a fight, he's going to do well right off the bat. I have no doubt about it.

Unless you match him up with a killer in the top three right now, that guy's going to be, you know, I wouldn't put one of my guys against them. You know, that guy's, you know, but the way they fight and the way their training system set up now, that's fighting. That'll immediately cross over to MMA. That's submissions.

They're going and everything they're doing, even to get a takedown isn't just to score points, but to get into a position so I can get to your neck. get into a position where I can take your arm. That's what Jiu-Jitsu was for me. At the beginning, it's like, man, like, like Aalio said, you know, it's like having a gun with you at all times. I'm dangerous no matter what.

In the shower, out of the shower, you know, you're a black belt in that style of Jiu-Jitsu, submission styles of Jiu-Jitsu. That's a weapon. It's so innovative, too. Like seeing Gary Tonen go to seated guard because you've got that crazy leglock game and in your mind thinking, oh, shit, he just sat down. This is trouble for whoever's standing up. You know what I mean?

how counterintuitive is that? If you saw two guys fighting and one sits down, how about the fact that you're thinking, holy shit, that guy just sat down. The guy that's standing up is fucked. Better guard his feet, sprawl out, get out of there and raise those ankles up and push them. Now, what was the first martial art you joined was camp out, correct?

Yeah, my dad, when he first came to the States, you know, his parents, they first came to Miami, went through San Francisco. But, you know, he's the first, you know, he learned English throughout high school. but his parents, aunts and uncles and grandparents, they didn't speak English. So moving to Vegas was a good opportunity to get work in the casinos. You work in the back of the house, you know, porters, housekeeping, you know. My grandfather was a shoe shiner here, you know, in Vegas, you know, through tips they could make a good living, you know. And so they, you know, signed him up to take a karate lesson.

So he started doing a Shurukon karate. And then really he got into the Ed Parker system of Kimpo Karate. fell in love with it. Then, you know, he's a 20 years old, 19 years old, working to McDonald's, you know, going to school, community, you know, UNLV. And met my mom there. She was also, you know, just, you know, senior in high school job for the weekend, you know. So then they start dating and then my dad being the kind of guy he is, you know.

It's like, hey, you know, what we can do together, you know, let's go ahead and go down in karate classes. So they started taking Kimpo together. And, you know, my mom's career got shut. cut short a little bit because you got pregnant with me. And then by the time I came around, my dad was a black belt and owned his own gyms in Vegas, you know. So I was that little brat running around, you know, annoying the shit out of everybody until, you know, I got big enough to jump on there and start training with people, you know. Who was the end park system?

It's a great system, you know, as far as a, it really carried over and it's helped me so much in my mindset, especially like, you know, if everybody watches how I do submissions, you know, going from one to the other and that combination of flowing of movement. that came from how Kempbo works as far as like, I do this, then I go to this, I go to this, and one movement flows into another, and I work off of what the other person's reactions are. So you don't have to seriously, like, people sit there and go, do you think five moves ahead? I'm like, that's not really the approach, because if you're sitting there thinking, you're using the part of your brain that's slow, you know what I mean, using like your super ego, you know, that part of like, oh, I should be doing this, this, you're doing that. That's too slow to be in the moment, you know, to be in the hunt.

What it is, it's more like a feel. It's almost like when you go to shake someone's hand. You know, everybody kind of shakes hands a little bit different. But as you're going, you can feel the flow of the guy's energy, and your body has so many repetitions of knowing where to go, you go with it. And that's where training in the martial arts comes. And Kempel is very much that way, too.

You know, I block the arm here. You guy pulls back. I know where my flow, where my reed's going to go from there. And when I started learning jihitsu, I think that's why I picked it up so fast. I only started jihitsu when I was 19. I walked into a gym. I had always seen Hoyst Gracie, you know, do UFC's. you know my dad you know he told me from you know day one we first watched the ufc he's all

you got to learn how to do this ground stuff man this is the future that's you know that's that's fighting you know i mean look at that you know we were you know what would we do if someone grabbed us and took us down to the ground we'd be in trouble right you know and so um so once i had that mindset that was established in kimpo that very versatile mindset you know there's an expression in kimpo that it's not the water in the vessel but the vessel upon the water meaning that you know once you water can be free flowing if it's allowed to just take the form of anything. But if you stagnate it and you say, and this is how we're going to do something, it has to be done this way, then it creates form and it has functioned and it can be broken, you know, just like a rock.

It's solid, you know, where the ocean beat up the ocean, how do you ever beat up the ocean? But the ocean can knock you on your butt. You could do a lot of damage. And so that mindset of flowing and movement to movement, I just took right into me with Jiu-Jitsu. I'm like, you know, now I'm like, oh, if I grab the wrist and you pull, I'm like, I'm going to go for a triangle. Oh, you're going to push back in. I go for an arm bar. If I go for the arm bar, then the Yuma Plato opens up. Oh, now your ankles open. And then other influences in my life,

you know, like Dan and Osato, who we were talking about earlier, you know, because, you know, obviously I'm a fan of Bruce Lee. Very few guys that are martial artists, I can say, aren't fans of Bruce Lee. So when I read his book and then, you know, was exposed to Dan and Asato, and then actually, there was a guy that one of my regrets in life is I never got to meet him. a northern California guy named Wally J. He did small circle jiu-jitsu. I got a hold of one of his VHSs, and he broke down submissions in a real quick way,

and I think that's why, like, if you watch my Pete Williams fight, I kind of pulled off a weird submission and elbow crank from the bottom. That, you know, I've seen before in judo maneuvers, you know, Gene LaBelle had a book out with Go-Car, and they did it standing, and I was able to do it from the ground, but a lot of it was attributed to a statement that Wally J had said, and having the Kimpo mindset that, hey, if it works, it works, you flow with it. He said, hey, a submission takes three components. It's just leverage. You know,

you need a fulcrum. You need a base, which means whatever you're attacking on the other side of that fulcrum has to be stabilized. And then you have to have a lever. And now you can make anything a submission if you have that, you know, component in mind. So if I arm bar you, my legs wrap around and I pin you to the mat, right? So now your body's the base. It can't move. My hips become the fulcrum and then your arm is the lever. That's how I actually even started like, I think I was one of the first people actually do it because not that I ever invented a move. I mean, how does anybody invent something? You know, things have been done by everybody.

But when I fought Tank Abbott for about a year before that, I would always hit him a plodiz on guys and, you know, hit the shoulder lock and I get sweeps out of it, but I wouldn't finish a lot of guys. A lot of guys know how to roll and fight out of it. Then I looked over and I see people's foot. I'm like, hey, your foot's right there. Well, now I have a base because I have your shoulder locked. Well, I can create a fulcrum with my wrist.

and if I just grab the edge of your foot, create a toe hole because I watch a lot of like Humana Sada, you know, out of Japan, seeing his submissions in the toehold and a lot of Japanese are really good on the footlocks. So I just started flowing and putting things together going, hey man, if it's open, I can rip it off, you know, just as long as I adhere to these basic principles,

now I can free my mind to go upon any of them. I don't have to be stagnant to go well. An arm bar, you know, sometimes I sit in the room and jihitsu guys, you know, we'll talk about techniques and they're like, well, you got to put your foot here and has to be here, it's not right. I'm all, hey man, it's like handwriting. We all know the same alphabet, but all our signatures look different, right?

Because within the realm of the principle of what an A and a B and a C looks like, you put your own twist on it and what fits for your body, your personality, and your brain, and how that works. And so that's why I'm not a big stickler for technique has to be perfect. And that doesn't. Application has to be perfect. Timing has to be perfect. But as far as the structure of, you know, well, if it's not done this way, it's wrong.

I'm like, ah, that's too much of a form. That's too much structure, you know, and within that structure, fighting is chaos. You want to hold that much structure in a realm of chaos, a world of chaos, and you'll break. That's a beautiful thing, brother. No, I've always been a big fan of Kempo. Yeah, I love Kempo. Flowing, overwhelming your opponent. I was good friends with a guy, and he was a black belt under a guy here in Los Philly's,

and it was pretty interesting. We just became friends, and he started explaining. why his Kempo was different than everybody else is in town. And it all started when the guy died. He left the son in charge. So the guy from Pasadena lost his mind, the guy that does all the videos

and shit. Yeah, just speakman. What's his name? You're talking about Speakman? Yes, nice guy. I see him in Vegas. I always see him at the airport. That's the weirdest thing.

What, brother? He does the Burbank thing, the Pasadena thing, right? He's up in Pasadena. But there's like three guys that are like, they're supposed to be the Giangadi,

but they're not the Giancaddi at Kempo. So it left them. If you got, Tracy Brothers. Right, so it left a lot of holes right, the Tracy brothers. Yeah. So now what happened?

This guy on, in Los Felice, was the guy who, his teacher went to jail for murder. David's something, right here in California. But he's the guy that learned the leglock maneuvers

from, from Ed Parker. Ed Parker didn't have leg locks. What do you call those things? Frank Me, and when I go into you and my leg hits your leg like a hip chin. So it had all these leg checks

in this style. Okay. So when the father died, some of the people took that whole section out. But there's still a couple people in Kembo. You got to hunt them down.

Yeah, I'm interested now. That kept all the leg stuff. So... Yeah, because I have a few of them when my dad taught me. Right. Like I knew about the heel hook because we did it off of a leg takedown. Guy throws a roundhouse.

We used to catch it and then reap the leg. You know how on the bottom if someone mounts you, you can push off or pull guard, you can reap the leg by coming underneath the leg and come over the top. I learned that technique when I was a kid, but off of a kick. Guy kicks. And then also now I'm going to throw my leg over the top and sweep and reap your leg down and then go for the heel hook. We didn't apply it very well because it was kind of taken out of context.

But the basic is shows that someone was doing it. It just got misunderstood as it got passed on. It was, and I went up there with the guy a couple times. It was very interesting. So not only would he attack your hands, but his first movement was his leg against yours to distract you. Yeah, knocks you off balance, throws up your base. So he did that with everything.

And then we started looking into it. The guy charges a buck and a half a month for two classes a week because nobody else, not the guys in Marina del Rey, not the guys in Englewood, not the guy in Pasadena, they took that style of it out. Even he has,

he even had weird forms. Like he had the books from red, I mean, this is crazy. Yeah. And Kimpo applies really well to street fighting altercations and people ask me, well,

why do you think, you know, even training jujizu with a ghee, I think has more street fighting applications and people want to give it credit for, right? because I tell people, I'm like, hey, you know, you know, well, MMA is 100% street fighting. I'm like, not really.

You know, is it close? Yeah. But it's still not. Like, well, why? I'm like, well, I haven't gotten to a fight with anybody that started 30 feet in front of me. Every fight and altercation I got into, like when I worked in the clubs at the Rhino, I got into fights.

I was probably about six inches away from the guy before we started fighting. You know, so the distance and the range was way different. And probably almost all the fights anybody here's been in. When's the last time you got into a fight with a guy from across the parking lot? and then you guys start walking towards each other. Almost every fight I've been into, I'm able to grab the guy. I mean, we're within inches of each other when the altercation occurs. So a lot of the Kempo and foot, you know, leg inside, the knees, you know, the clinch work, the different hand trapping,

extremely applicable towards being there. Sometimes you don't see it as much in MMA because guys are able to keep distance in and out, almost more of a long-range kickboxing, you know, type of stance and posture and distancing. You know, Kempo, Wing Chung, that never really translated much into MMA. Like, it was like a lost soldier. Like, it's just, and I love it. I love all those styles. You're trying to see a lot of it come back, though.

Even the front kicks now. John throws them. Connor McGregor throws it that way. You see, you know, even the kicks, you know, like the Machita and Anderson Silva, the snap kick with the ball of the foot. Well, they've taken pieces of stuff. Yeah, that kind of kick. I mean, not that it came from Kempo, but Kempo does that.

kick. I'm blanking on his name, but it's like Wonderboy or he's fighting. Steven Thompson. Stephen Thompson. Well, he's got more of a kickboxing Taekwondo base. Okay.

Right. Yeah, he's more of the spin. But it's still, no, no, no. I see what your point is. You know, listen, people have said, well, Taekwondo is impractical in the UFC.

Let me tell you something. You catch a motherfucker sleeping with one of those spinning roundhouse kicks, those Taekwondo things. Not that you walk and throw them to your fucking leg falls off. Jesus fucking. Christ, if I know it's coming, I'm talking about one every four.

Yeah. You suck them in. You've been doing this since you're a fucking white belt. Now you're a black belt, right? I mean, at that level, you're going to, no matter what, that always stays with you. Yeah. And in the training camp, you're like, you know what, let me work this. I told you don't throw that fucking.

Let me just fuck with it. No, that's one thing I'm glad about the coach that I use now, Angela Reyes, right? He, you know, I train under Freddie Roach. Angela, Anna Hoolerton, is a world champion female boxer. and they came from, he owned a Kempo school in San Francisco, you know, in the Bay Area. So here he's a Kimpo Black Belt. She goes into amateur boxing, becomes a world champion female boxer. And then now, so now we implemented that back into our style of fighting.

So when I train with him, you know, it's funny. I would sit there and, you know, when I first started training, I'd do a front leg wheel kick, right? And I'd train with a lot of more Thai guys. You know, that was predominantly the striking art, you know, the dominated MMA. And they're like, ah, no, don't do it that way. It's wrong. it's funny because, you know, 10 years later I'm looking, and now I'm able to throw the kicks the way I remember that I was taught to begin with.

You know, it's like, hey, no, a kick doesn't have to be a real heavy set down, put your weight behind it because now that we have takedowns, if it's predictable you get put on your butt, how good's a kick if you can only land it once every five minutes to someone's leg and then they just shoot a double and hold you down? Whereas, you know, a lot of the snapping kicks, the front kicks, you know. I think right now John Jones is a great example. If somebody can use the kicks, the kicks he throws,

those aren't moit Thai style. That's much more karate style. now, speeding fast, and it hurts people and knocks him around, and it gets his feet back down to the ground, so he's dangerous again. Because, you know, you're always taught, too. I mean, it's why in Kimpo, a lot of the kicks are aimed for the body or to the legs lower, because you don't want to be in a street fight and lift your leg up. It's not so much about how high you kick, but it's being on one foot was never a good thing. If you're close to a guy, it's like, hey, being on one foot might be a dangerous recipe for success here. You know, you might not want to be on one leg

by the other guy's on two, unless you make the most of that movement. You bring the foot up, snap kick the guy to the solar plexes. You put your foot down now. You go into a hand combination. That was a successful maneuver. You throw a real heavy roundhouse. You kick a guy in the leg. Yeah, it hurts.

But all of a sudden, he has both his hands up. You see a lot of guys get caught knocked out that way. It was funny because when I, here I thought you were one of those Abu Dhabi dudes. I thought you had been involved in Jiu-Jitsu since you were 12 and you went to Abu Dhabi. Yeah. You lived in Brazil and ran up pills and stuff, the whole thing. And you just told me you started Jitza at 19. That's when you walked into a fucking Jiu Jiu Jiu Jiu.

First time I put a game. Where was that? There was a gym in Vegas. It was called Modern Martial Arts. The guy that ran the school was a black belt in Kimpo also. He trained under a guy that actually trained with the guy that trained my father. My father trained under the Ed Parker system. The guy, Gary Swan, Stephen Labonte, some of his lineage.

And then he directly trained in Vegas under a guy named Clifford McKinney. And then there was a guy named Eddie Flash Newman that also trained there at the gym. So Philip Carpinski was a black belt under Eddie Flash Newman. Phenomenal, great kickboxer, you know, from a Kimpo background, went into that world. And so he also, because he saw the limitations of just being a pure striker, went out and trained in New York, trained under Hino and Hattrigo and Gracie. And so he actually was a purple belt under Hedrigo Gracie. So that was my first exposure to Jitsu.

I remember I walked in the gym, 19 years old. At the time, I'm a black-built-in Kimpo, big, strong, fast athlete, you know. I was state champion in wrestling here in Nevada. And went in those little guy, you know, 140-pound blue belt. I wish I could remember his name and give him credit. But we go out there and, you know, I grab them down. I'm on top of them, you know, rolling around. I'm inside his guard, you know, so I put my hands around his neck.

I go ahead and do the, you know, what is Rogan want to call it? Rape choke, you know. So I'm like, I got this guy. What's going on? Boom. Also, next thing I know, I'm about to pass out, you know. Legs go up around my neck, you know, and it throws me into the first time I heard the word triangle, you know, and passes me out, right? I get woken up and do that again, you know.

I remember I was so excited when I left there with the idea that submissions were so definitive. Because, you know, I've been in fights before and I've seen people. There's some guys out there. I mean, you see them in the UFC's, you know, that you can hit him with a baseball bat, right? and they ain't going away. So you can hit them with your best Sunday punch. Some people are just built. They're not going down.

I don't care how hard you hit them. And, you know, the other thing, too, that makes MMA a little bit, like I tell people, real street fight is way more like grappling than it is striking. Because, you know, if you notice, everybody has to tape and wrap their hands. You're not throwing knockout punches on a regular basis, bare knuckle. You know, go out to your local gym, find any boxer who's worth his weight, and tell them to go ahead and wail on the bag for a round with no gloves and no hand wraps. Here, look at you like you're crazy. Human hand, 26 bones. I'm not slamming onto a bag,

let alone punching someone in the face, you know, the human skull is one of the hardest areas of the body. You punch that, your hand goes. And so you, and you were talking on our show about that being kind of a popular misconception that people see the old days, the bare-knuckle days, and they go, oh, it was way more brutal back then. But you said, you made the point that it was safer. It's safer. Even right now, if I said, hey, you're going to punch me in head, you're going to do a bare knuckle. Your hand's going to take a lot worse beating than my head is. You might end up going to the hospital when you're done. You're going to break metacarpals and your hand might never be the same again. Guys break their hands, even when they're taped,

let alone when their hands are bare. So the head damage is a lot less. People don't tape our hands. You know, boxers and MMA fighters, our hands aren't taped. We're not wearing gloves to protect each other's heads. Anybody thinks that's for the safety of the fighter, no, it's not. That's for the excitement of the fans. Now that the guy's hands are taped, he can knock people out a lot better. I remember my first fight with Bertolt Travin in the UFC. My first two fights before that, I'm a Kimpo guy. We don't wrap our hands. Even when we go to tournaments, you put your hand in a pair of gloves. You know, you don't really throw hard to the face. You throw hard to the body, you know, more of a street fighting mentality. It's like, hey, I might throw a jab, pop your nose, water your

eyes. But if I'm going to take you out, it's going to be the solar plexes, hit you in the liver. I'm going to try to hurt your body because it's softer and less dangerous for my hand. I remember I'm in the back and the UFC has the cut men go back out there and stitch, you know, sits there and starts wrapping my hands. And so I remember after I get my hands wrapped, I'm walking around and my dad's like, you know, what's up? I'm like, oh my God, I could put my hand through a wall right now. Like, wow.

Like, so this is what it's like to get your hands taped like a fighter. This is dangerous, yeah. And all of a sudden I went, oh, shit. And my dad goes, what's wrong? I'm like, the other guy's hands are taped too, huh? I better move my head. This is going to hurt. Now, how old were you when you walked into a UFC cage?

It just turned 22? And by that point, you were a purple belt in Jiu-Jitsu. Yeah. Purple belt, but with fucking wrestling experience, that adds a lot. Yeah, it helped out a lot. I mean, I only wrestled two years in high school. I wish I would have wrestled more. I basically did it because of football, you know,

a big, strong fact. athlete and you know they were like you know hey at the time the idea was you know I would take you know I'd play football and I go run track through discus and you know around in a four by one four by two team but you know in the winter time you know I would just go to the weight room you know I liked lifting weights and the defensive coach for the football team was also the head wrestling coach his name was a Russ Leet you know he got hold of me and said you know you're not very good tackler you know you're fast you're strong you run around but you're You don't wrap people up very well.

Let's get you on the wrestling mat. And so I went out there. First seven matches get my ass kicked. You know, I'm just getting pinned in 30 seconds and what's going on. Went home, cried about it. And then just sat there and like, okay, let me evaluate the situation. What am I doing? What am I good at?

What can I? And I was like, okay, a double leg, take down, broke it down. I'm going to do this. I don't know how to wrestle on the mat as far as, you know, controlling and tilts and, you know, chop and jam and spiral rides. These are foreign to me, and I'm catching up. I've only been wrestling for a month or two. So I started cutting guys loose. I went on my junior year with the two months of experience, got third in state zone runner up.

In the next year, it went like 44 and one, you know, one state, went to nationals. They went two and two at nationals, the Pittsburgh press. And so I picked it up really well. But not because I knew how to wrestle really well. I knew a few wrestling techniques, but because of my Kimpo background and the martial arts idea of knowing how to set people up, knowing rhythm, knowing about timing and application. So I was more or less I had the principles of combat down. And that's the same thing that happened when I started learning jujitsu.

By the time I fought Roberto Traven, my first fight in the UFC, I had two years of jiu-jitsu experience. Roberto Traven at the time was a four-time world champion, the Mundialz, Black Belt. By all accounts, this guy's going to murder me. You know what I mean? This guy has been doing jiu-since since he was a baby. And, you know, not only my fighting a Brazilian,

and I'm fighting a Brazilian world champion black belt. And we went out there and I ended up breaking his arm in about a minute into the fight. You know, through a combination, he fell down. I was able to pass over his guard, went straight to mount. He went to block the mount by bringing his knees up, but he put his arm out and just my mindset of being free and flowing. Boom, snatched up the arm and took it.

That's crazy. No. And you still, how long, now you're a black belt now? Yeah, I got my black belt actually probably about four years into it. I was 24 when they gave me my black belt. So it took four and a half years for me to get a black belt in Jitsu. And I got it the same night I won the heavyweight title from Tim Sylvia. Once you break his arm, you got a black belt.

So once you break somebody's arm, you go back to the school and you go, it's over. Yeah, you got all these degrees. I got a fucking arm. The guy got a black belt from the time I was almost a blue belt. You know, I think maybe I got my blue belt. It was already a blue belt under Philip Karpinski. and then a guy named Hikardo Perez came into town, Brazilian guy, who was a black built under Sergio Pena,

who they have kind of a famous story that, you know, he basically was beating Hicks and Gracie in a jitsu match down in Brazil, you know, scoring a bunch of points on him. He had a real active style. And then, you know, the rumors are, and I wasn't there, I've never seen a video, but the stories in the gym is that, you know,

one of the graces go over there and the power in the building, all of a sudden goes off. They have to stop it. It takes a little while, and then lets Hickson recover, and get back into it. And then Hickson being the champ that he is, you know, had about a minute left in the match when they restarted it again,

was able to get Mount and, you know, extremely phenomenal at Mount of anybody watches his fights and then was able to get the choke, you know, with the collar. And so Sergio Paine, you know, great tactician. Trains still in Vegas. Ricardo, I think now he's in Ohio or maybe North Carolina. Last time I checked in with him. But it was right after I fought Tim Sylvia.

sitting there, you know, I won the heavyweight belt. But, you know, there's a little bit of, you know, like, you know, did he tap? He didn't tap. Was his arm really broken? We're sitting in the back locker room. And in fact, at that point, I think Pat Militage, Tim Sylvia's coach came in the back, goes, oh, no, I just attend and pop. Don't feel bad.

You know what I mean? You know, so I'm like, oh, that sucks. I really didn't really win the fight. I really didn't break his arm, you know? Like, oh, okay. And so then my coach at the time says, you know, with the ceremony that jujitsu guys have, just kind of threw the belt out. I mean, go, by the way, you know, now you're a black belt, you know.

And so that was, you know, my black belt ceremony was backstage at the, I think was MGM Grand after becoming the UFC heavyweight champ. That's what it took for me to get my black belt. And so, you know, then, oh, we go to the press conference. And before it gets started, you know, Dana goes up there at the mic and says, hey, you know, everybody, you know, Tim's at the hospital right now. Actually, he's going to get ready to go through surgery. They have to put a plate in his arm, it looks like, because, you know, his. his radius and his own is actually fractured in three different places. You know, congratulations to Herb Dean.

That was actually a very good stoppage. And then it looked kind of funny because, you know, my whole family, there's, you know, 30 deep over there, you know, start clapping and cheering, you know. And so some of the people were like, you know, that's pretty barbaric. You guys are cheering. The guy got his arm broke. And I had to explain to a few people like, no, man, my family's not cheering because it broke his arm.

They're cheering because, I mean, not even Bruce Buffer announced me as the new heavyweight champ. because after that fight, they thought it was a wrong stoppage. So, you know, they announced me as the winner, but if you go back and watch that fight, Broughtford didn't even announce me as the heavyweight champ of the world. I got the belt being wrapped around my waist because there was so much confusion about whether it was a good stoppage or not. So to hear that his arm was indeed broken that it was a good stoppage was vindication.

It was like confirmation that yes, Frank Meir tonight won this fight conclusively, no doubt about it, he's the champ. Fucking tremendous. Tremendous night. It was a good night. And that's the first hope you got, right? You got three hoops in the fucking UFC, right? Three what?

Hoops. Like, you broke three bones or two sets of bones. Let's see, I know Roberto Traven's arm broke, Tim Sylvia's arm broke. And Nogarra. And Nogarer's arm broke, yeah. And you got lurch with a heel hook. Right, yeah. Okay, that was the heel hook, which was tremendous.

That's the, see, that's the history of J-Barr, Nibar. That's the history of J-Jitsu. That's when I started thinking about joining. When I saw that was, I said, you know, because I was a big strong, powerful guy. I was raised in karate. And you know, you know the guy that the 10 planet guy, Renato, LaRangea? Yeah, yeah.

His father. Oh, really? Was my first karate teacher in New York when we came from Cuba. And I got my purple green belt with him. Then I went to Jersey and I was a karate guy and I put in tournaments and shit. I never fucking dreamt of Jiu-Jitsu. Like, Jiu-Jitsu and Savat were the things that were there, but who gave a fuck? Well, I mean, when you talked about Brazilian arts, people first started talking about it,

I remember when I first even saw Hoytze. came out to fight, right? I thought it was going to do Capoeira. I'm like, oh, these guys are going to do those little, like, cartwheels and shit? Like, you know, is that? I didn't even know about that. Like, I came from the Bruce Lee era. I was there. I'm an old man. I came with Bruce Lee died. I saw his shift.

You know, I saw it go from... Bruce Lee, though, he was ahead of his curve, man. He knew about grappling. Yeah. If you watch... Enter the dragon. The guy hits a crucifix. Yeah. He had an arm bar or something. Yeah. Even the Kimpo gloves that he was used in there, right? It's called... The Kimpo gloves. The Kimpo gloves, right?

Those were... Those are actually might even, you know, if they were a little smaller, actually, I think we're even sometimes more advanced than gloves we use now because, uh, look how many times fights get screwed up because guys, you know, we post our handout. You know, a guy goes to throw a punch and, you know, that's a maneuver that's taught like, hey, you post and, uh, create distance, right? But only problem is guys do this and they, you know, they poke guys in the eyes inadvertly, you know, it's not on purpose. But even in training, you know, when we train, I use a lot of bad gloves for my MMA training because they're small.

You know, you can wear a 10 ounce glove, but it leaves my thumb free and I can grab so we can grapple. But the advantage it has is it covers up the fingers because training with MMA gloves, even if you make them really padded, they're open-fingered. And there's nothing worse. I mean, hey, man, you only have two, you know, you have one set of eyes, right? You don't want them getting, you know, poked out, scratched, and it's easy. I mean, guys, you know, get the retinas.

And I've even, you know, in training, had a high FEMA, a tear in my eye where it filled up blood just from an inadvertent poke. And so, you know, Bruce Lee had the gloves, the kimbo gloves, the fingers are closed on them. So you can't poke anybody in the eyes. And you can grip and grab. And that's because of his wing chunk background, training with Judo Jean LaBelle. He understood grappling, training with Dan and Osato. They understood that, you know, that fighting had the four different ranges. He had the kicking range, punching range, grappling range, and then the ground fight. Even in his fight with a, uh, when he fought a Karene Abdul-Jabbar in the, uh, the game of death, you know, a movie a lot of people haven't seen because, you know, that's when he

passed away filming it, but he at least filmed his scene of going through basically the temple or the building, the different layers of martial arts, the different levels of him. Dan and Osada. Dan and Osada was one of the sticks. Right. You know, what a phenomenal fight they had. And then, then he fights the top layer, top level guy was Karener Abdul-Jabbar. Basically, it would be what if we give a super.

athlete martial art skills, you know, basically it was the original John Jones. And so he goes out there and he uses actually grappling, throws him, holds him a head and arm, scarf hold, trying to put him in a head and arm choke and choke him out and using grappling techniques, realize that I can't strike with a guy that has two feet of reach on me. I have to make adjustments. I have to flow. You know, like I said, be like water, you know, and used his grappling. And doing that back there, what, in late 60s, early 70s before anybody. I mean, man, it still never caught on. He, He was doing it there, and he was such an innovative guy. But, I mean, heck, we were, what, 93?

Guys still weren't training ground until the Gracies came in and showed everybody what they were doing. It was like, we were talking to Matt Zerra, him saying that he used to have to go from Long Island to, like, Asbury Park, New Jersey once a week. But he'd train for four hours and then take the two-hour bus back, because that's how far it was to train. That was the Jiu-Jitsu wasn't on every neighborhood back that hour is now. It was very, very...

It was very smart. You know, Brooklyn had like a school or, you know, and then the Gracie's like, oh, the Machadoes came out here and went down in South Beach or not South Beach, whatever they call that down there. Who the fuck knows? Redondo Beach, I'm very sorry. But I thought you were always like a life-long jiu-jitsu guy.

See, you got to fucking read the Wikimpediently. You know what I'm saying? Well, and I have just a real good, my body, being a heavyweight, my flexibility and my motion. You know, everybody, you know, even a boxer, or everybody boxes, but within boxing, you have different styles of boxing. And MMA, even though I know how to strike, I have knockouts on my record, taking people down.

My strong suit, what I just have a love for is the submission game. I've just always felt that it was the best way. And it's funny, even I tell my kids that, you know, they were talking. They're like, you know, dad, why are submissions more important than strikes? I'm like, well, you know, I talk about the gloves that, you know, street fight, you know, it's hard to knock people out without hurting your hands. civil lawsuits, you know, even if you pass a criminal case, look kind of bad if you punch someone's face in, drop a couple elbows on them,

where, you know, chokes, throws, submissions, definitely can control somebody, and hey, man, you put a rear naked choke on anybody. I mean, they call it a matter of the own for a reason. You kill a lion, you know what I mean? Take them out. But I say, hey, just look at nature, you know what I mean? In nature, things that strike, things that hit things, you know, ram up against them.

The strikers, they're the prey. They're what get hunted because they create room. They hit things. You want to look at who the predators are, who does the hunting? That's the grapplers. If you look at an anaconda, lions, tigers, bears, you know, a cougar jumps out of the tree. They grapple you. They grab on.

They go for your neck. They go for the choke, you know, basically, you know, using teeth and their throat mouth. But it's the same concept of wrapping a person up and incapacitating them. And so that's the effective way to take somebody out. You know, that's the most 100%. You know, there's guys out there, like I said, you know, hit them with a baseball bat. They're not going to go anywhere. I don't know anybody in the world.

Anybody wants to prove me wrong or give him my whole bank account. Let me slip in a rear naked choke and tell me that you're not going to go to sleep. Well, I know that you're a man of the iron. I know that you believe in carrying a peace from time to time. Absolutely. Except for when I'm here in California, the laws here. And I love it too. I can't carry a piece no more.

And I carried a piece for many years when I was a young fucking moron and I got involved in a lot of bad things. I got to tell you something. I never knew how important jujitsu was until I walked into that gym the first time and did my first hip escape and realized I knew nothing about nothing. I knew nothing about nothing

because I'm going to tell you what I'm going to tell you what real life is for you motherfuckers that think it's about watching a TV show and the whole fucking thing. I've seen people get taken out in two fucking minutes. But today's world, in today's world, you want to get in and out of that. And I know with two guys,

I know I'll bet my back and count that Frank Mier could kick a guy in the stomach, keep him off for three minutes. And he's already sized this guy up. His Kempo background, his fighting background, you already sized this guy up. You already know you got a single on him

through that fucking plate glass window and you're going to pull it and rip his fucking lung out through that glass. The Hindu is going to drop his fucking jaw behind the county. He's never seen nothing like that. And this guy's, to come back at you with a punch and you're going to single him down get him and break his

fucking arm with a cormor within seconds you're going to be in your car with the net before fucking whatever calls 9-1-1 you're in your car and gone not even the camera caught you play i know this for a fact because that's how fast it goes down and jiu jitsu when you're on your back in today's world you're dead you're deadly what do you mean isn't on the back still okay you're dead you walk out of 7-11 there's a guy by that red box you go to your car he hits you in the head you go on your back that's it he could stick his dick in your fucking mouth he could take your wallet flip you over fuck in the ass light your asshole on fire you're deadly if you're on your back if you could get your back and regain your breath

and at least grab the guy's fucking pant leg or if he comes down to attack you it comes down to attack Like when I hit my butt in a fight, if something happens and I sit down, I'm like, you better leave now. Because if you want to engage me and come on top of me, it actually happened to me. I think the statute of limitations have gone now, so I'll give vague aspects of the story. But I got into a big squab. My coach, Ricardo Perez, we're at some fights, and he goes over there with Marcus Aurelius to calm some guys down. So I'm sitting there ringside and one of the other guys. And I got a weird feeling we walked into there anyways.

We walked in there, Dan Lambert, you know, brought his whole team in and we're there with them. And, you know, majority of the guys there are all Brazilians, right? So I remember we got a weird vibe right off the back because I walk into these fights more on the East Coast. And the announcers like, you know, hey, you know, we're sponsoring a bunch of guys. We need your sport here. You know, you know, we got to really help kick these Brazilian's asses. And I'm like, hmm, I didn't sit right with me, man. These are fights.

You know what I mean? Like man versus man, like, I don't really like that whole we start getting. USA. Yeah, you know, that's a bugger. Yeah, yeah. USA. You know, you know, hey, you want to have, you know, love for your nationality. You know, I'm for that too. I was, hey, my father and my family, you know, sacrificed a lot to become U.S. citizens. So my dad, you know, was a Republican, you know, loves being here, learned the language, became a citizen. So I respect being an American. It wasn't just a birthright for him. sacrificed to be here. And so... I hate when they all do it, not USA, USA.

That's what I mean. Like, when you go to Brazil and the Brazil... Yeah, they do too. When you go to Ireland, you know, just leave the fucking... And I hate when somebody tags with it. Sometimes I just see a fight. I don't even catch that. Yeah.

I don't even catch that. I don't want to feel good about themselves somehow. I don't know. It's just a Brazilian. God damn it. I thought fucking know. Why have you got to mention? I thought he was Puerto Rican.

Yeah, whatever. So anyway, so a fight breaks out, right? They already said that And so, you know, there was a Brazilian fight An American guy, and the Brazilian's getting the better of the fight, and one of the Americans is up screaming and yelling, and so the coaches

are trying to shout instructions. So one of the American guys there, I'm assuming he's American, he just didn't like the Brazilian team, grabs him by the t-shirt, yanks him off the cage, get out of my way, I can't I can't fucking see what's going on. So, you know, our guys run over there, and Hikardo, you know, a very

level-headed guy, he's trying to talk to guy down he sits him down all of a sudden punches start getting thrown and a fight breaks out right so i see my coach who i'm living with at the time now i moved in with him that's so he was like you know he's like basically i call him teo you know that's like my uncle you know what i mean so i run over there and i'm on the outskirt of the uh um uh cage uh i'm looking down and my coach just disappears marcus disappears there's a big fight and i just i can't see him so i see the guy that's tussling with my coach i just jump over the top try to throw an elbow and a strike I hit the mistake because I end up on the bottom immediately.

My feet never end up touching the ground because I jump on a pile of people. Boom, I'm on the bottom, right? So I'm sitting there, and all of a sudden now I bring my elbows to my knees and I try to get like an egg and a ball because I'm getting kicked on the bottom. I don't know what's going on. The guy that started the whole fight, I just remember, you know, it looks over and he sees me, right? All of a sudden, now he goes and grabs me by the throat. And I'm like, I can't. In my brain, I'm like, what a Christmas gift.

You just gave me your arm. You had me, man. I'm on the ground. If you just would disengage, I can't get to you. I had to get back up. So boom, I slap an arm bar on him. That ended that altercation really quickly. He ends up having to be taken out. And

we end the fight that way. You know, everybody's brawl gets broken up, cops come, everybody gets separated. And that was the end of it. And ending up on the ground. But because he engaged, my ability to do jiu-jitsu, you know, saved me from a bad situation, being on the bottom of a big ballroom brawl,

as you say. And just even if you I go to Jiu-Jitsu for the health benefits. I just go for the health benefits. Like, I could care less if I become a flying master. I just love breathing up my back and doing all the exercises. It's good for your brain. It's good for your body. Finally, you know, I was going over here to V-MAC,

but they only, I can't go at night. They're at night school. So I was going once a week. So I finally went to flappers one night, and I saw Alberto Cranes. I said, you know what? I went home. He has school classes every day at lunchtime.

seven days a week Lent time classes that's like stealing you can hit three of those a week I don't care how busy you are you know so I've been over there since January and I just go in there to sweat just the sweat

that's good I'm glad you do that too many guys I talk to on the street that come up to me they're like man you know it's beautiful Jiu-Jitsu martial arts but you know I could never be a fighter I'm like who cares why do you got to be a fighter train? Who cares?

I mean that's like do you like playing basketball? Yeah? You're going to be in the NBA? No. So then don't play. You can't go play basketball down to court with your boys. That's stupid, right?

That'd be a dumb thing. It's like, well, if you're not going to be in the NBA, why do you even try playing basketball? And I think the same thing with fighting. Martial arts, jujitsu, Kimpo, all the different arts. You know, they have so much to give you and it's such a journey and a lifestyle. Just because you're not going to be the one percent of the guy who turned professional. I mean, Richard now, Blue Belt, Jiu-Jitsu, trains. Yeah, he was saying, he was going to invite him over.

Yeah, he's like, I'm over. Great, you know, there's times I was watching techniques. One of his instructors was showing him, and I was watching, it was funny because we're at the gym. I met Robert Drysdale's and my kids are training now, you know, and I let the other people coach him because I'm going to still be dad, not to coach. I'm thinking that's a better way not to muddle the lines, you know. I'm a good advisor if they come and ask me, you know, I'm at the backyard and, you know, grass, you know, show him my son. I'll show him a sidearm choke and, you know, hey, what are you having a problem with, you know, spider guard, the guy's grab my sleeves, okay, you know, step to the side, cross knee, break it down. So, I mean, I give tips and, you know, and that type of stuff and a lot of philosophy and thought process.

But as far as being the coach, you know, being the hard ass, he sits there and goes, no, that's wrong with this, like this. I don't want to step into that role. And so I'm watching my son train and my daughter's in the other room in the girls class. And I look over and – Bindy, Bindy, Cassameria. Bindy is over there training, right, it dries us. And he's over there drilling his knee bars off of a backstep. And the way he's setting it up was beautiful, you know, the way he trapped the ankle and stepped over and hooked it. I'm like, man, if you lock that up that way, that's pretty much a wrap.

You can't defend. So here I'm trying to, my wife's like, are you watching? I'm like, yeah, I'm watching our kid. And I'm like, I'm drifting over. I'm like, but that's beautiful. Look at that over there. Look at that technique over there. So the point where now, Richard and I, we had to do our show later that night at no regrets

bar, a bar, it's owned by Sean Lane, a good friend of my wife and I. And, you know, so as we're getting ready to start the show, we're clearing tables out of the way. I'm like, okay, let me go over this real quick. You know, I just want to make sure I hold on to what I saw. showing it to him, sure enough, we're there, and poor Richard, you know, my 280-pound ass, it's like sitting on his chest trying to move his ankle, you know, and then one of the bartenders comes out with everything all right? I'm like, yeah, yeah, we're just playing around, you know. He thinks there's a fight out on the patio because there's two guys drilling knee bars, you know,

he just looks over the bar and sees it. But, you know, like when you talk about Joey, you train in jujitsu, and this is the, this is the security benefit that I got from it, at sticking with it long enough to get a blue belt and everything, is it's kind of like Frank said, when people come up to him and go, oh, I'd love to, learn jihitsu, but I could never be a professional fighter. To me, there's a security in having a basic understanding of knowing how to handle yourself. Now, if I run into a black belt who wants to pick a fight with me, I might, you know, maybe an issue. You're a bluebell and jitsu, you're beating anybody in a street fight. I mean, unless they grab a rock, hit you in the head. Right. But I mean,

if you're a bluebell in jihitsu and the other guy doesn't know jihitsu, 99 out of a hundred times, you're winning that fight. After six months or after a year of a bluebell in jihitsu, you know why you keep training a jihitsu? To beat other jiu-guitsu guys. It ain't about beating a guy. You doesn't know what he's doing about jiu-jitsu you know you already know how to you know hip roll you already know how to hip-exit you know sweep you know scissors sweep get on top mount him choke them you know uh trust me at that level you're not losing but then after you get up to that level like right now every technique the richard knows he knows every technique i've done you know all the techniques i've done in fights pretty much in the fights are all blue belt purple belt

level techniques beyond that the combination the flows that's so i can beat other black belts of jiu-jitsu that's why you keep training Now, how do I beat that brown belt that's over there, you know? That's why you have to keep putting in time. What are the chances of me and that guy actually get into a fight outside, you know? Chances you're fighting two black belts meeting each other up at the club and not knowing each other and fighting each other. You know what I mean? I think of it like that I think of it is sort of like knowing how to basically handle a firearm.

It doesn't mean I'm, you know, maybe I stick with it long enough to where I become an actual sniper. But even if I don't, just having a basic understanding of how to handle that weapon, you've got to. in your pocket. I think as an adult in this society, especially for women, I think it's a disservice not to train and know some, especially girls. I tell people all the time, I'm like, you know. It was made for you. It was invented. Yeah. And you can just catch a guy. Boom, done. You know, I show my mom, my wife knows the basic arm bars, especially from bottom, you know, you know, one of the first things I show her, you know, like, hey, if I'm in your guard, between your legs, I go to grab you by the throat, I'm grabbing your wrist. She knows how to flip her wrist,

hips over and lock up and then I explain, you know, and I've showed a couple of her girlfriends who try to get him to want to train. It's like, look, man, it's your hips versus my arm. I don't care if it's Brock Lesnar. You know what I mean? You're not out curling what a girl can leg press. I mean, even the average little 120-pound woman at the gym can put two plates on a leg press and easily throw it up for reps, right?

That's the kind of force their hips can generate. You know, you're telling me there's a guy out there that can curl that much with ease. There might be a few of them out there in the world doing the strong man competition. petition, but again, we're talking about, like, you know, what, maybe 10 guys out of the 7 billion people in the population that might be able to curl against that, that whole leverage concept, and then throwing a choke on a guy, stops the situation real quick, saves him. A guy goes to take a girl down, gets in between her, imagine she knows how to throw a rubber guard up, lock him down, put him in a triangle, put him to sleep.

You know, he's going to wake up talking to the cops. You know, it's a definitely way to save him. Now, her practice in striking, I'm not against it, but a woman trying to be 120 pounds and knock a guy out, it's going to be hard. It's not going to be easy, you know what I mean? She's going to have to be extremely well-trained, spend a lot of hours, perfect her art, you know? You know, Holly Holmes, yeah, she's going to go ahead and work a dude

in a stand-up fight, you know what I mean? On a hooleton, yeah, you want to box her in the street, you're going to get, you're going to get worked. You know, Misha Tate, but you get the average blue belt, purple belt girl, I don't care what the guy's size is. If he doesn't know what he's doing, we've seen it enough times. You watch the guy, NFL guy, wrestles the 170-pound MMA fighter. As long as he's a blue belt and jiu-jitsu at least, the little guy's going to win.

He's going to choke him unconscious. You're right, Joe. I mean, it's made for women in terms of protection. Same thing with my girlfriend. I showed her, she never trained a day. And I showed her a couple basic sweeps, arm bar triangle. And I said, here's all you need to know. I'm on top of you, like I said, hands around the throat.

Now I'm on the bottom and you're about to break my arm. And some dirtbag who's trying to do some shit like that, he's interested in praying on the week. That happens to him. He's like, fuck this. I'm moving on. Plus two, all my kids, well, you know, the first thing I showed like, you're devils your information, right? Rear naked choke, right? You know, it's like, hey, if I get into a fight with a bunch of guys and all of a sudden I'm struggling with one or two of them, if one of my people, my children or my wife's behind you, they know how to put a rear naked choke on. They're going to get passed out of it. I just made them a lethal weapon. You're focused on me. You're in trouble.

Hit italy. It's the halfway point of the show. You do a jumping jack. You know what I'm saying? You eat a Cuban potato. No, it's just Monday. We just play this on Mondays and shit. Beautiful. See what I'm saying, Lee? I'm to the fucking gazinn. You understand me? It's Monday.

Get your shit together. Well, tomorrow you'll be listening. It's Tuesday. I hope you're still tuning in. Lee is done. Look at him over in the corner. He doesn't know what to do. With his little fucking shirt night blue Hawaii shirt.

I went to Frye Better Battle or something. Look at this poor kid. I gave him some T.HC stars of death tonight. All right. He's done. He's struggling, huh? Oh, okay. I have a good time.

Edible stuff's scary, right? No, it's great, man. I love it. I like it way more than smoking. It lasts longer. He sees the devil twice a week with Uncle Joey. We go deep in this motherfucker. I see you twice a week at night.

We go deep. What you do on your personal time? That's your own fucking thing. You know what I'm saying? Why are you bothering me for? Let me get some shoutouts and we'll keep the show fucking going. All right. Dominic Salas. John F. Cleo. We're doing a podcast next week. Remind me, Ookie, Spooky. Rick Cush, Marley, Danny Bioncula with the North Bergen report and my man,

Mikey Stein over by the one-by-one podcast. And also my main man down there in fucking Austin. and Bobby and Bob Lillings in Chicago, you know what I'm saying? What are you looking at me all weird for? That cigar smells fucking tremendous, by the way. That's a good scar. That's good, son.

Yeah. Now, where do you get those? This one, I just happened to grab one in the tobacco shops when we're here because I went on a trip with the wife and kids with a vacation last week. So I had a bunch of cigars with me from my dad's, his cousin down in Vegas. Don Vicente, right? owns a shop right across from the Pond Stars, right there in North Las Vegas, just north of the Stratosphere. And so he hand-rolls, you know, Dominican, you know, Connecticut rapper,

you know, knows how to roll cigar right, so, you know, it's fresh, made right there. So I always just buy about, you know, 20, 40 at a time, I go in there and go through them. But when I get out of town, if I go into a shop and I can look for one of my favorite cigars trying to purchase is Padron's, and my favorite is the 1926. And so that's a good stick, man. It's awesome. At least you're real with this. Remember like 15 years ago everybody started smoking cigars?

People tapped out fucking quick. Yeah, no. They had the cigar. Everybody was in the mafia. Everybody was smoking cigars. Yeah, my wife gets on me a little bit because she thinks now, you know, I mean, obviously, you know, your wife always lives out for your best interest. That's why, you know, too much coffee.

And she's like, hey, calm down. That's, you know, too many days in a row. And she's like, yeah, it's not good for your heart, man. You know, relax. It's a little too much coffee. And same with cigars. I've had a couple times where, you know, I get into the habit where, you know, I'll be smoking a cigar to a day, you know, doing any work around the house, helping out with the kids and stuff, you know, throw a cigar in the mouth, you know, my little torch,

keep it going, you know. And then, you know, so that's when she's like, hey, you know, can we cut it down to the weekends and stuff, you know, like, you know, I know you're not inhaling it, but, you know, still mouth, you know, cancer, whatever, could, you know, just chill, you know. And then I always talk about Don, I'm like, ah, Fizente, you know, the guy smokes like 20 cigars a day. And he just wants to, you know, he just wants to, you went to the doctor and, you know, his lungs are fine, you know, it would be all right, you know. We all have to have some kind of place. When you're Cuban, it's in your fucking DNA.

Like, when you're Cuban, listen, we fucking came up on an island. Like, our fucking relatives were on an island. Did you ever think about that? Like, you were thinking about that. Especially since I can't swim for shit. You can't swim? You got to get your shit together. That's it.

But it's so weird. Like, when I met my uncle one time years ago, like my uncle was one of those bad, was motherfuckers. Like, every time I saw my uncle, after 84, it was always bad news. I took him out to Langa's, like, five years ago, like eight years ago, maybe eight years ago. Two times, nine. Yeah. And we're eating.

And he goes, you know about your grandfather? Just like out of nowhere. He goes, we're talking about the Dodgers or something. He goes, do you know the story about your grandfather? And I go, no. He goes, he married his cousin. like we're fucking inbred he goes did you know that he goes

I'm surprised you're fucking retarded you know we're eating and he's telling me this shit I'm like how is they like my mother hadn't mentioned it once yeah but I mean back then a little more common even in the states I mean first cousins no no no no you gotta imagine listen listen you're your mom was Cuban and your dad was Cuban no no see my mom's white okay so you're white

white ghost that's why you know right so your dad's Cuban yeah my dad's from Havana so you're dad's Mavanna, so his dad's Mavana. So his dad's from Nevada. So his dad's from Mavana. Now here's where it gets fucked up, frame, man. Okay, let me draw the fucking design for you. And with the pen, because I don't want no misunderstandings here,

okay? You got three routes this going to came, okay? Either there's only three options to your fucking family. If your father came from Cuba. Either they came from Spain, some part of Africa. Yep.

Or there were natives on a fucking island that Columbus didn't kill. There you go. A few that survived. Okay, so the few that fucking survived. Let's say, well, he killed, you know, he killed Matadwe. You know, Atwee, he killed that Indian. He killed them and all his people. But the motherfuckers

that survived were all Spaniards in a way. They all came from Spain, then they developed. And then they brought over the slaves over from Africa. Then they came to place. To go and, you know, to work the sugar cane fields. And that added a complete different twist. They brought over, that's why we were talking about the Santaria, you know. The Santaria and the whole

fucking thing and then the you know it just brought over the Spanish like Diaz Diaz is from common away there these fucking people that talk with like a lisp. Okay. Like they were completely different than my world. Like

the white skin I have is Diaz. I'm a Valdez. Them fucking. Them desert rats. Those are fucking island rats the Valdez's. I just showed you the cousin. Wait do you see his sister. All right. You know, they're the National Cuban band.

My mother's sister got raped on the party and my mother killed the dude. Stabbed him in the back while he was raped with his sister. So my mom came to this country like in 50 fucking two when they didn't give a fuck when you just came over. Come on over. And she ended up in this.

Batista was still in power. And then she went back on an identity that she borrowed from a friend. But when she came back into the States, that identity became her name. So my mom, until she died, had an alias. those are Valdezis.

They're ratty people. My uncle? This uncle, I'm Tony in Glenda. We haven't talked for two years. This is the second time. We didn't talk for 25 years the first time. We pulled guns on each other on Vermont, 1984. No shit.

No fucking shit. The Valdezis don't fuck around. And they're jungle people. Right. They're like mixed with fucking African blood and God knows what else. Now they're telling me their cousins. What future do I have? I went on that fucking website to see your relatives.

ain't nobody on there. I got nothing. Nothing. I'm scared to order the kid because God knows it's going to come back now. To $25, I might find out something I might not want to want to know. I'm a little jealous of that, though, that you still have some family history because that's the one thing, though, when Fidel took over, you know, my father's family, they left. They had to leave everything. You don't, they didn't get to even take birth certificates, you know, high school diploma, nothing.

You know, the clothes on their back is what they got to come to the States with. So, you know, back in May, I got to go down, Maliki Kaaba worked. that we can go down to Cuba. I went with Arthur Jones, you know, John Jones is a big brother, and Rainier, you know, another guy who's a first generation U.S. guy, but he's Cuban, you know,

both parents from Miami, and actually his grandfather and father from, what's the little town there, Hershey, Hershey, Cuba. And so I went there trying to investigate my ancestry because, you know, obviously my mother's side being, you know, from the states, you know, going back generations, I have an idea of who they are,

where the last name, the maiden name comes from. But then my father, you know, he came over. He was 11 years old. His father passed away when he was 19. There's a lot of family history. There's a lot of relatives I have in Cuba that I have no connection with. So growing up and not having that understanding of who my father's side of the family is, you know, that's, you know, I think people that, you know, people want ancestry. You want that connection with your history to kind of know where you come from.

So when I was down in Cuba, we were there for, you know, almost two weeks, you know. I was down there going down to my father's own house, you know, he gave me addresses, maps, I'm walking around, trying to talk to people like, hey, who else has my last name, you know, who's my family here? Give me some, you know, I went down to the cemetery, you know, trying to just locate where, you know, my grandmother was still, you know, where she was put to rest at, you know,

trying to, you know, get a sense of, you know, where I come from, you know, and a lot of that's lost. And, you know, but due to Facebook now, even when I was down there, one of my dad's, would be a cousin, share the same great-grandparents was able to reach out on my Facebook and talk to me and I was able to connect it with my father and not my father, you know, can go down there to Miami, reunion so we can set things up and start, you know, making reconnections because, you know, a lot of it was lost, you know, coming over here, you know. Like I said, you know, Fidel Castro, whatever, not going to get on a political rant here, you know, but, you know, a lot of people, you know, that came over here, a lot of Cubans just didn't get to bring anything with them, you know. maybe in the first generation coming from that, a lot of history.

Like, you know, a lot of people can go where their parents or where their grandparents were raised and get to see things and have history. You know, when Castro and those people, you know, made that choice that they had to come over here with nothing, that connection, you know, was broken and a lot of things were lost. How come in all the last name is Mear? You know, we tried to work that out. It's funny. Well, one misconception that I actually got to correct was a lot of people thought that,

because, you know, my name is Francisco, right? Francisco Santos Mere the 3rd. And they thought maybe because I shortened my first name Francisco to Frank, but my dad does that too. You know, Spanish is his first language. Jose's my first name. My name is Joey. Yeah, right. We're in the States, you know what I mean?

They go by Frank, you know what I mean? And so I go by Frank. And so they thought the same thing. They're like, oh, look at this whitewashed Cuban. He doesn't want to acknowledge his family. I'm like, what do you mean? I want to acknowledge my family. I go by Frank.

You know, Francisco is my name. I don't, and they go, well, your last name is Miranda. you shortened it. I'm all, no, I didn't. That's the name I was born with. What are you talking about? Look at my brother. And so I even went to my dad.

I'm like, hey, pops. Was our last name Miranda? And we shortened it? He's all, no, man, our last name is Mir. And even when I went back to Cuba, actually one of the instructors down there, I was down there at MMA tournament, he says, yeah, one of his students, last name was Mir and possibly cousins and trying to figure each other out. But that's because what you're talking about, our ancestry going back several generations,

but I don't have a connection to figure out how or who. it came from Spain through Morocco. Morocco has the last name here. You know, Moroccans did a lot of, you know, rubbing around. Well, here's the problem then. Everybody that fucking says your last name says it wrong.

Because if they're from Morocco, it's MIV. Yeah. Right? It's like Mimv. Well, you know, a funny story, by the right? My dad pronounced the last name MIR, right? Right. Real face.

MIR. And for the longest time, I'm a kid, you know? You go to school. I run for a touch. down people go, it was Frank Murr. So I used to just go with it, man. You know what I mean? I'm not going. I'm that guy, man. I'm easy going. So after a while, man, I just started introducing myself.

People, who are you? Frank Murr. I'm not going to sit here and every time I meet somebody correct you on how to pronounce my last name. And then in the UFC, I think my very first fight, Roberto Triven, I even pronounce it that way. Hey, what's your name? Frank Murr. And my dad even said, he goes, hey, you know, son, you kind of have an opportunity now to kind of set the record straight. you know, why don't you just go and pronounce your last name the correct way?

I'm like, oh, yeah, you're right. So, Frank Mayer, I'll go ahead and I'll start doing that, you know. And so because, you know, you come here. I mean, other cultures, you know, probably can relate. They have a last name or a name that, you know, when you say it in English, people have a harder time pronouncing. Yeah, you just go with it, man. Hey, you know, you mangled my name. What is it? You know, yeah, that works. Works for me, man. Whatever you want to say. Can we get the conversation going? Because I'm not going to sit here and spend three minutes every time I meet somebody explaining the that my father's in Cuba. And this is how you say the last name.

And no, it's not shortened from Iran. I said it. Meen. Yeah, me. From me. That's it. And I can see it now. Now that you said it that way, I could see it.

Yeah. Yeah. So it's not a very, you know, there are people in Cuba, the last name here, coming from Spain. That's where the last name came through. When I found out, you were Cuban, my head exploded. Because I know you're twin. I grew up with your twin. No kidding.

I swear to God, we laugh all the time. And whenever you fight, he calls. calls me up my twins fight we fucking giggle our asses his name is carlos cantero okay he's about 57 he's in jersey stabbed a bunch of motherfuckers great guy humans and knives right him and his brother i've known since day one you know they were they grew up in the hard part of jersey and they lived on the bottom of the hill cars used to always run and hit their house and it was crazy but uh first time i heard you talk i was like Jesus Christ him and Carlos and drive each other crazy in a fucking room we got to meet each other man we're going to meet each other man

That would be cool. Oh, so we always talk whenever you fight and stuff. So his younger brother, Dede, so when George Elias, you remember George Elias? Used to work for the UFC. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, yeah. I called him today. They told him you were around, but I couldn't get a hold of him.

He lives three blocks away. He was in Studio City. So he told me you were cute. My head almost exploded because right away. Then I put it together. I think I seen him at EBI yesterday. He was at EBI. Yeah, I saw him.

Yeah. Okay, so he knows. Was that the guy that came up to us? outside. Oh, that's okay, yeah. That's George Elias. Yeah, he knows my father. You know, I mean, obviously. Right.

Him and good dad. Yeah, he went to us outside in the park. Yeah, yeah. It's funny. A lot of people know your dad. A lot of people have said to me that he worked security with him. Yeah. Director's security for station casinos after I left Metro, you know.

Metro police? Yeah, he was a cop. Yeah. Jesus Christ. He's in one of those hard-edged Cubans. Yeah, man. And then he got into security work, you know, for the casinos, worked for the Fertitas.

He's worked for station casinos now. He's a director of security. Yeah, wears a suit, you know, deals with... But my dad's, you know, typical Cuban, you know, great talker, you know. He doesn't have to worry about carrying a gun or anything. He can, you know, he diffuses situations and, you know, you walk in there with an issue, you walk back out, just... What happened?

I mean, you know, what happened? He has the accent? Yeah, oh, yeah, real thick. That's a lullabia. That's a lullaby. It's funny because I don't notice it because that's what I grew up with. In fact, sometimes when I do commentating, people will be like, you don't say that word right. I'm like, eh, you've got to realize that my English, even though I don't speak Spanish,

came from a guy that it was his second language, you know what I mean, in the household. So sometimes I mispronounce words the wrong way, you know, just not on purpose. I try to go back through and reevaluate and get it the right way. But, you know, you're around that. And, you know, like I said, my dad's generation, my, his cousins, Miguel degado, Roberto, you know, they're all the first generation, you know, they're all, you know, full-blood of Cuba, but as far as speaking English, they were the first to learn English. They had to go in there.

You know, if my grandfather or his grandfather, you know, wanted to go buy a car, aunt and uncles, my dad was the one I had to go in there and translate and help figure it out because of learning English, you know, which, you know, it took a little while. And I think that's also too, a bit of a disservice my dad because of Spanish holding back a lot of his family members, not be able to speak English. That's why he regrets it now? But in the early 80s, he's like, you know, why am I going to teach my kid Spanish? and English, you know,

it's not going to help him, it's only going to hurt him. We're in America, English is the language, and he fought so hard to learn how to speak English properly and saw how, you know, family members that didn't want to learn

how to speak English, how they struggled, you know, so he didn't look at it as an advantage. He sees that now as a mistake. He's like, man, I wish I would have passed that on to you. I apologize, but at the time, you know, that's what I thought was best for, you know? And so...

I fucking hated it. Yeah. When I lived in New York City, I fucking hated it. Really? But I first moved to New York from Cuba, and she would call my name out of that fucking window. I wouldn't answer.

Really? I wouldn't answer. Don't fucking call me Jose Antonio in front of those fucking kids. Don't fucking talk to me in Spanish in front of those motherfuckers, all right? And she would talk to me in Spanish and I'd have to pull her aside. Don't talk to me in fucking Spanish. And she's saying, when you're out there, you talk English. When you're in here, I talk to you in the fuck I want that you're talking Spanish.

So I went on revolt. And she said, okay, well, you need sneakers next week, right? Let's see how you're going to come ask me. Because if you come ask me in English, you're not going to get those sneakers. So get ready for fucking revolt. You want to revolt, motherfucker? So I hated it, but I adjusted it. Yeah.

And let me tell you something, the day I was burying her in that fucking hole, I realized how lucky I was. No, that's a blessing. That she beat me up all those years. And then after she died, I didn't speak that type of spent. So I speak a Cuban that your dad would look at me and go, don't talk to this kind of... Well, I speak like probably from guys from Miami, you know what I mean?

No, I speak like a guy from here city. Oh, okay. And I grew up with Thita Day. Ask your dad what a Tita there is. That's what they call, like, fucking street merchants in Cuba. My mom used to call me a street... Cuban's a lot of slang, though, you know what I mean. Right, so we speak with a lot of slang.

And a lot of people, like, I met a guy in an audition one day, and he was like a real decent Cuban. and I was doing stand-up and this motherfucker on the way out wouldn't even shake my hand. Like him and his wife clipped up and walked past me. There's two types of humans, bro.

There's Pasadena Cubans. There's Cubans that know they got African blood in them, and there's Cubans that don't want to hear that shit. You know what I'm saying? And the Pasadena Cubans, don't put Mumble up in front of those

motherfuckers. They're run out of that house. They're very intelligent Cubans. They have that Spanish blood to them. If you look at my uncle, you can tell. He plays basketball. You know, he got burnt with some.

My sister's darkest shit. Which is funny, though, right? My sister's darkest shit. My cousin, who you saw is light. I'll show you his sister. I've seen a picture. And she's dark. My dad told me about my great grandmother.

African. She's African. That's it. That's just the way it is. And you accept it. You go, fucking, you know, I hope TMZ don't get a hold of this. But it don't matter. You know, it don't matter, Lisa yet.

Look at the poor kid. What are the? What would the hell why in Bia? Fucking Joey Diaz is related to y'am, you know what I'm saying? Who gives a fuck at this point in the game? I'm 53. I got one foot of the grade one of an antipil. What's up, dog?

Everything all right here? Absolutely. I've been looking, you know what? I get at say, man, so much respect for what you guys do here on the church of what's happening now because, you know, you're in my regular podcast rotation. And, you know, Frank is, because we started doing this phone booth fighting podcast together, you know, Frank's getting up to speed on the world of podcasting. But I told him, I, you know, I asked him, I said, let's, let's go out to L.A.

We knew we went, Eddie Bravo invited us out to EBI to do our podcast, which we did. And I said, let's hit a couple of podcasts while we're at it, like the top podcasts, you know, and I appreciate, I hit you up and ask you if we can come out. I appreciate you having a song. Well, I got to tell you, my next question for Frank was, what was your next move? But I don't have to tell you what your next move, Frank. You have the world by the balls right now. I think they did your favor.

I think they did your favor. You're an intelligent guy. You still speak fluently. You're fucking... You know the game. You've been hitting the head with enough chairs, punches. No, this guy, you know, this guy, you know, he got in the head with chairs. You ain't going to come to him and bullshit him.

You ain't going to come to Frank Ming or why. No, you're listening. Come here for a second. I worked at a bar in Vegas. I got hit with bottles and chairs and people, you know, are crazier than you. crazy than you. Then I went in a fucking ring and I had to fucking tackle, you know, Tim Sylvia and break his arm.

And then I went to fucking whatever Brazil and broke whatever shoulder. You know, that's like tapping out fucking Jesus Christ. Yeah, I'm taking out in Noggerald. That's like tapping out Jesus Christ. The Jiu-Jitsu world. Like, that's a sad day. It's not jabbing Muhammad Ali or knocking out my text. No, no. They closed. Pogo the Chows were closed

across the country the next day. And the story, it was horrible. It was like it was like jujitsu against Jiu-Jitsu and he's a great guy. I love that great guy, you know, another guy that trained in Cuba

or his brother. Yeah. Right? Yeah, they go down there Cuban boxing team. And it's funny because the first time I saw them, I was like,

those motherfuckers can pass as my cousins. They have that skin color that they can pass as my cousin. So I was looking at your dog. You're greater, but you could talk. That's it. You got to get the gap.

You could talk shit to your 92. What happened? I was UFC 142. I strangle that motherfucker. fuckers on. Boom, here's 2000. You are, man.

You're a natural ad. Yeah, I told Frank. Even when you announce, sometimes I'm like, who the fuck is that? Yeah. Is that fucking Frank,

man? Well, I told Frank when we started doing this because I come from a radio background, you know, and we just, much like this set up, we take gear over to Frank's house and we sit in his backyard once a week and we do our show, just like you and Lee talk.

And I was like, man, you know, I'll give you a few little coaching tips here and there from a radio background, but you're a natural at it. No, he's the, he's the future.

It says, Yes, he's the future. That's what. They want somebody who's natural and who just talks. Yeah, I have experience that I've been there. I mean, you can. You know, the guys sometimes when they talk and they've been on the outside of the cage, and not that you don't have been a fighter to know about it,

you can break things down, you know. I don't think Bill Belichick said it for throwing a touchdown pass, but he obviously knows how to coach a football team. But, you know, I think there's a little bit more of, you know, people value that I come from experience. When I sit there and I talk about what that fighter is going through or what he's feeling, you know, what's going on in that situation. I've been there, you know, I've had more fights almost than anybody in the UFC.

How many fights all together? What am I, at? 26, 27? Yeah. 27 fights. Yeah, so, I mean, 27 times I've walked down through those curtains and walked out to an octagon, you know, so when I sit there and try to talk to people who convey what's going on, I can speak from a point of experience of being there, and then have, you know,

enough of a gift that I can try to make it relatable, you know, sit there and talk in terms that I'm not talking above people or not trying to show them, you know, talk from a term that only another fighter would understand because why am I talking to fighters anyways? You guys understand, you know what I mean? I'm trying to, when I speak or if I break down fights, I'm trying to speak to not the guy who's a fan

who's sitting there watching the fights. You know, I'm giving him information. He probably already knows. I'm trying to talk to his wife, his girlfriend, his mother-in-law, was sitting there in the room going, why are you watching this? You know, these two guys just rolling around on the ground. Listen to me talk.

Let me explain to you what's going on. These two guys, you know, they're throwing punches, just trying to throw haymakers. Nah, man, this guy's set throwing this movie, get this motion, get this going. These guys are trying to gain this. He's going to do something. The other guy's not watching that left foot.

That's real interesting when I hear you guys say that stuff. Yeah, it makes it more interesting. When you understand something, you always love it more. You know, I always use the joke and, well, now it won't work as well because I was down in Australia. I sat there and YouTube because it was on TV all the time. I wanted to understand it. But I used to always make that joke.

joke, rugby seems like a real exciting sport, right? I have a hard time watching it because I don't know what the hell's going on. I can watch a football game because I grew up in the States, so I know what's going on in a football game. But if you watch a sport, no matter how great it is, if you don't really know what's going on, it's not as enjoyable. You know, it's like, yeah, what are they doing? They're all just mashing up on top of each other.

Like, oh, no, this is a scrum. It's what this guy's doing. This guy's the hookery is sliding over the top. Oh, that's what's, so same thing with grappling. I think that's one thing about the MMA that really, you know, needed to convey over. There's so much complex martial arts going on that, you know, boxing's easier to understand. Obviously, boxing is really deep, too. It's its own science. You can break down the intricacies of what guys are doing, a Mayweather, you break it down, especially I sit there

and now watch fights with Angelo. He shows me, all right, you know, Arturo Gotti when he's fighting Mayweather. This was the angle off the left foot, setting up the right hand of the body. This is what's going on. Like, wow, that's interesting. But you can still bring your mom, your sister, your wife to a boxing match and they can be excited because it's like, well, that guy hit that guy in the face. I get it, you know? Obviously, it's a lot deeper than that, but even without a deeper understanding, it can still be enjoyable. But when you watch grappling, you see two guys on the ground moving around or two guys in a clinch, if you don't really know what's going on, you're like, well, what's he doing? He's just sitting on his back. I'm like, no, no, no. He's see how

his hand's pushing down on the guy's wrist right now? They're having a fight, a wrist fight right now. They're hand battling. Well, why are they hand battling? Well, because if that guy's elbow slips down any lower, he's going to throw up a triangle. Now this guy, maybe now he's waiting for the triangle, and he's going to try to crush past the guard on the other side. Oh, that's what's going on? Yeah. They're just like, they're sitting there.

I'm like, well, yeah, because you're not seeing the intricacies of the little tiny fights and battles that are going on. And then when I point them out to the people that don't understand, you know, that aspect of MMA, then now I think it turns over more fans. It makes it more enjoyable. They can understand and see what's happening. And now they can see it from my eyes and see how why I enjoy it so much. it becomes fun again. It's like, oh, okay, Sal, I see the battle that's going on.

Because otherwise, you just see two guys maybe just laying there. Another guy on top of another guy. What are they doing? I'm like, oh, this is what they're doing. And the travel. It was just going to say, it's funny. You say that because at EBI yesterday, I don't even know if you notice this or not, Frank. When you've been to EBI, Joey, I mean, your podcast sponsors, EBI. But when, you know, it's very quiet in there, you know, when they're grappling and everything. And so we were sitting there and we were taping. We're doing a little fight companion podcast, but I didn't think in advance about, how quiet it was going to be in there.

So, you know, we're kind of keeping like this, keeping his voice down. And at first I thought, boy, I hope the people around us, you know, are not bothered by it. But hearing Frank's commentary the whole time and really enriching the experience like that, I started looking around and people were moving closer because they wanted to be able to hear it. You know, it made it that much more enjoyable to hear him really breaking down what they were seeing. Well, this is what I think happened when the UFC went from pay-per-view to Fox. you know, I think they should have got a more informative team. You know, Joe does his best.

Joe's great at it. Sometimes Joe doesn't show. I think that when it's on Fox, this is your chance to suck people in. If I go and I see a guy standing up against a kid, listen, first time I turned UFC on, I saw a fucking Tank Abbott with that suit on. Yeah. And I turned it off when I never wants it again. Then I met Joe Rogan.

And he talked to me about this shit fucking UFC shit. Listen, I grew up with Bruce Lee, bitch. I went to the garden all those years to see Aaron Banks' karate tournament. I saw the guy catch the bullet through the glass with the 22. Okay. Okay. I saw that motherfucker four times. You're going to show up with a bikini on like, thank you.

Then I turned it on again, and I saw the black guy, the guy that had the 18 black belts. Okay. And I'm like, are they fucking put me on? Like, you fucking people put me on? Like, Joe, I wouldn't even say nothing to him. Then he started hanging out with Eddie. Yeah. And they would talk and talk, and they'd do what you and the other fucking dude did.

They'd be in the hotel lobby, and all of a sudden people's foot would come off, and they'd be choking each other in the lobby and teaching each other moves, and Denny and Tate, and there'd be nine animals. And I'd look at these guys and go, they're fucking animals. I came from a karate background. What are you going to wrestle with men for? I never even thought about it. I'm, like, touching people's feet.

That's the most disgusting thing in the fucking world. I'll suck my wife's toe if I'm doing blow or something like that, but touching somebody's feet. You're talking about a toe hold before. I almost died over here. I was going to anxiety attack. That's funny. People still think that, like, oh, you want to fight a toehold.

You grab the guy's toe. I'm like, oh, it's called a toe hold because we grab that ass, the foot there. But no, I'm breaking his ankle. It's an ankle break. No, I had just a thought of toehold. Yeah, they don't understand. Grabbing his foot. Oh, absolutely.

And then one night I'm going through the, it's a true story. I'm going to the channels. I got to join me, my wife's cooking chicken collards. and I see they're talking about it the week before how Anderson Silver is joining the UFC I'm like here we go

some motherfucking idiot with a bikini on I gotta put on and watch Jesus Christ I didn't know what to think and I'm scrolling through the channel and it's him against Cress Levin and I go here is it I'm gonna watch this

and that was it about a minute and a half my head almost blew up I got to see Bruce Lee all over again I go here we go all right now we're talking all right now I'll start going to these fucking UFCs and shit

it's funny it's funny You can talk about guys rolling around on the ground, you know, half naked, you know. Obviously, I've heard my share of, you know, remarks made upon it. I remember one time, you know, I was 21, you know, I have my own apartment, living on my own now, you know. And my mom came over and, you know, typical kid, 21, 22 years old, fucking apartment's a mess, you know. So mom comes over and does what moms do, puts a, you know, a pot of food on the stove, starts cooking, you know, And then as the food's cooking, she's going around there in my apartment cleaning and picking up, you know. And all I really had at the time was a, you know, a TV, you know, a 36-inch TV that I bought off of my first fight against Roberto Traven, you know, with the wind money, you know, and an Xbox.

And I had my, you know, different DVDs on the floor thrown around. And one of them was a jihitsu, and it showed two guys. And they were basically doing kind of like an open guard work, right? But they're, you know, Valley Tudor shorts. You know, one guy's on top of one guy. you know, he has wrist control, foot in the bicep, foot on the hip. The other guy is trying to control his knees and pass,

and that's the picture of the cover. And my mom reaches down and grabs the DVD, you know, to put it away, and then she glances at it. My mom drops it. Oh, my God. And so I'm sitting there, you know, on the couch, being a lazy ass, mom's cleaning the apartment cooking food, you know. I think I'm playing Halo and stuff.

And I look up at her, I'm like, Mama, what's up? You know, like, and I'm looking down at her, like, what did you, what did you grab? You know what I mean? Like, I don't know, no porno's up in this place. You know what I knew you were coming over. at least hit that shit, you know? You know, you're respectable of your mother, you know?

And all of a sudden I look down and I'm looking at it. I'm looking at her and it took me a second to catch up. I'm like, no, mom, mom, mom, no. These guys are fighting. They're not making love. This isn't a homosexual video. This is, this is jujitsu. Yeah, and my mom's like, what?

I'm like, yeah, mom in the legs. This is, and I was like, ah, you know, son, you know, and she has a karate background. I even try to get her to come to the gym and train a couple times, jujitsu, you know, after the first couple days, you know, She came in and she goes, you know, son, I'm sorry. I can't sit there and put a guy between my legs and get on the ground or roll with them, you know. You know, this is awkward for me.

Maybe I'm too old for this year. You know what I mean? Like, no. But it's funny. That's the first sponsor. I still, this day, I remember the shock my mom had when she saw that cover. Here I'm thinking, she's like, oh, there goes any grandchildren from this one. You know what I mean?

I actually have a little secret I tell people. Whenever you're seeing a, you're watching an MMA fight that maybe is not particularly exciting, play this little mind trick on yourself. pick one fighter, okay, and convince yourself that that guy is trying to blow the other one, okay? The other guy, imagine that he is doing everything within his power to fight that guy off. And if you get that narrative going in your head, turns into a whole different fight, what you're watching. A little too close to prison type of thing. I don't want to watch that type of stuff. It's, no, that's a great point you made, especially when they went over the Fox,

They even tried to add that football effect to it. And I'm like, oh, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da. I'm like, Jesus fucking Christ, they're turning into the communist football on Sundays. Yeah, I think they definitely needed an opportunity. But now, now, I think it's smoother down and they explain to the... People are catching up. I mean, now, I mean, you go to the fights now,

and a guy goes and starts grabbing another guy's arm and pivoting his hips out. The crowd starts, ah, because they know, oh, it's an arm bar coming. Back in 2001, 2002, and I'm in the UFC. you would have a guy throw another guy in a triangle, and I swear 90% of the crowd had no idea what was going on. You see people tapping, you know, and a guy started looking around left and right. They're like, that guy had his legs around his neck. Why did he tap? What happened? You know, what's going on? I'm like, it's a choke, man. But, you know, people didn't know. Even the announcers, if you remember, things would happen sometimes in those fights.

Yeah, when Jim Brown and all, yeah. The announcers would be like, hold on a second. There was, it was like there was confusion when there was a submission trying to dissect what happened. Yeah, and that's why when they went to Fox, I wish there had been a little bit more starting over again and breaking down. Like, okay, this is the guard, you know, maybe even having like, you know, a section. A 15 minute instruction. Okay, guys, this is side control. This is the guard. This is the mount.

This is what we can go. Hit red on round ball on YouTube real quickly. Wake up out of your fucking cold over there. Look at you. You have to lunch. You're over there falling asleep Your eyes are red You look like you're fucking

When I was a kid Basketball came on CBS This is 1977 Everybody knew who basketball was You just watch Julius Irving For the last fucking 10 years Sizzled the ABA Everybody knew who basketball was

But at halftime They showed this every fucking game How many games they show on Sundays on the NBA Two Sometimes fucking three They would show All brand new

you know, they don't want to do this no more and I don't want to do this for each fucking fight. Which video do you want? I don't know. Pistol Pete Marevich, how's that? He had everybody on there. For years, he would do this stupid shit. That's it.

On passing. How's that? Look at that. Passing for fucking retard, okay? Look, look. This is called passing the guard. This is when. This is Pete Marovich, the greatest playmaker and passer in the game today, passing to Henry Bibby also playing with the wrong jazz.

Notice the finger. Look at it. He breaks it down to the fucking finger, Frank, man. If the arm, finger spread, follow through. Just on a simple chest pass. Now, Pete, in throwing that pass, do you really think about that when you do it or does it become automatic? Well, actually it becomes automatic, but the three basic ingredients in throwing any type of pass is fingertip control, backspin, and follow through. All right, now demonstrate the other few fundamental passes.

All right, the point basic are the chest pass and the chest bounce pass. You can throw it two ways, either back spin or forward. But what is your major when you throw that bounce pass? Isn't it to get it right here? Try to get it right to the man's waist where you can handle it quite easily. That's the key. Too many people throw bounce pass. My point being he could kill this.

How basic is this? Yeah, but that's awesome. This is half. Guess what? Now, if I was watching this, when the halftime breaks on in the second period, I'm going to be watching for that. Now I'm going to be like, oh, that was a good pass. That was a bad pass.

I didn't play basketball. I don't know that. But guess what? I just now got more informed, and I'm going to be more entertained. And I'm knowing what I'm looking at. I'm watching for stuff. I'm more vested in what I'm seeing because I have an understanding. So they would show this during NBA games?

Half time. That was your half time. Red on Rambo. Who? I mean, he taught everything on that. You know, I think, too, from a commentary standpoint, that's why, you know, people don't give, for example, Mike Goldberg, enough credit when they talk about the dynamic between him and Joe, because you got to remember new viewers are coming to this all the time. And if it gets too advanced, yeah, it's great for the people who have been watching it for a long time. But how are you going to speak to the person that's tuning in for the first time?

Yeah, you have to speak it to the people that are the first time doing us. No, you need a knowledgeable guy. a guy that tamed, listen, it's like the Celtics, they always had four black guys and one white guy to tame them down. You know, same philosophy.

Same thing. Same thing. You know, you got to have a guy taming everybody down, but you've got to have a knowledgeable guy explaining it. You got to have this. You know how fucking much

I would watch the UFC if at the beginning they'd say in today's edition we're going to have Frank Mier and teach how to break a fucking arm. And you would come out with your little fucking guy on and you break somebody's arm.

Next week, George St. Pierre That'll hold me there. At least, how to pass the guard, how to, an MMA. That's for little kids. That's for everybody to learn, housewives. It's knowledge. Knowledge is power. Ayacocca, Lee.

What is it? Well, I liked Daniel Cormier commentating the last fight. So, look, maybe they could have them throw out the entire fight and, like, commentate. And then during the breaks or something, I don't know, teach a move or have a store. Or even have one of the rooms in the back,

a green room. We sit there and go, okay, well, you just saw, was this. I can grab, you know, me and Richard there, I grabbed Rich, put him on the ground, go, okay, when the guy passed over the top, you know, when, uh, back of the day, Matt Hughes, right? All of a sudden, uh, he, he, uh, he's fighting George St. Pierre in the first fighty arm bar is him off of a Camorra reversal, right? A lot of people watching them. I mean, what did I just see? Like, well, Matt Hughes was on top. He reached over for, uh, you know, George reached over for Camorra. Matt Hughes stepped over the head to block off the body,

transitioned across the rib cage, stepped down and it was able to counter into an arm bar. A lot of people saw that and like, oh, he won, but I don't think they really even got, there's a lot of people that watched that, didn't realize what the counter that they just saw that a guy went for a Camor and the other guy stepped over the side of control and went for the arm bar. But having that explained to people afterwards, I think a lot of people, somebody like my mom would be like, oh, wow, that's awesome. My wife does it to me. Sometimes I can't even put fights on at the house because she'll sit down next to me.

I mean, nah, not so much. You can sit there and explain to most people what she's seeing. but sit there and understand it. She'd be like, Frank, start talking. Tell me what they're doing. Like, all right, well, the guy's in half guard, but he's purposely not passing because he's keeping control of his legs and so that way he can establish position on top

and this is what he's looking for. And the other guy, what does the other guy? Well, you know, right now he's trying to either get his knee back through or he's trying to drive the other guy's knee up so he can either work for a sweep or for a get-up. And this is the battle that's occurring right there. And then she'll look back over. It's two guys, one in half-guard, one on top, one on bottom.

And now it's entertaining to her again because now she understands, oh, okay, I see what this is. guy's objective is and I see what that guy's objective is and what they're battling for right now. And now I'm back, I'm interested in again. Before I'm like, if I'm just seeing two guys do something, what's the point of watching if you don't even see what you, if you don't even know what you're watching. That makes a lot more interesting, especially when it's such a growing sport. You know, when it's on NFL, when I'm paying 50 bucks, I know what I'm fucking getting. But when I'm watching it on NFL, it's because something else ain't on. And I'm sitting there and I'm

fucking broke. I don't get paid until the 20th. And all of a sudden, the UFC's got a free show from 6 to 8. My friend at work won't shut the fuck up about this. My friend at work won't shut the fuck. He even got the shorts at work. He won't shut the fuck up about. So you watching it one night, you cook a steak, and you're sitting in watching. What happens

if a grappler fights a striker, and he puts him against the fence, and they're sitting there for two minutes. And I don't send a guy at home. Here's the booze from the jerk in the audience. I don't really know what's going on. That right there. I had it on for 10 minutes. I can't watch that shit. Guy had him against the fucking wall.

I didn't know what was going on. You know, they want kicks. They want punches. They want frankly and breaking fucking bones. The highlights of it, that exciting part, it's easy for people to understand. But then you get a guy, you know, Daniel Cormier shoves the guy against the cage. I'm like, well, what they're fighting for now is hip control.

You know, Daniel's trying to get that left under, hook underneath. He's fighting down. The other guy realizes he's doing it, so he's trying to keep his rib cage protect to keep the elbow down and block, but now Daniel's throwing a punch up to his head. So now that guy now goes to block the punchment now exposes his ribs. Daniel now is able to go ahead and lock up the underhook, and now he transitions off to his high crotch on the other side on the left leg, keeps his ear posted in, and now he's going for the back. The guy's fighting back, but now his weight comes up too high, now he dumps him and throws him over through the air.

It's like, oh, that was what's going on? Yeah, I just thought I saw two guys hugged up against the cage. I'm like, no, that's what was happening. What about my name is because the last, previous to this, fight his last two fights, he won, but they weren't very exciting. So it was like the kind of cardboard you were kind of disappointed if you bought them. Because they're expensive. They're 50, 60 bucks, but that's a lot of money.

Yeah, that's sad because he is pound for pound one of the best fighters in the world. And everything he does, I mean, it's a science. You're watching him move. He's up there with, you know, dominant crews up there with, you know, some of the great, you know, Frankie Edgar, you know, some of the greatest fighters in the world, you know. Sometimes the guys are watching them, you know, they sit there and go, the guy Frankie's just dancing around.

I'm like, no, he's not. He's hidden angles. He's moving out. He's trying to get you to put your weight forward so he can hit off the side. He's going to go for a strike. If you block and move your weight back too much, now you expose the leg. He does that post leg snatch where he grabs the lead leg and shoves you down. And then if you go ahead and defend that after the first time, now he has you set up that you're always seeing that read that you think that maybe a takedown's coming. And now when you go ahead and go there and you step there and you get heavy on the leg, boom, now he smashes down with a kick.

All that off of different reeds and setups and what's going on. I thought I was just seeing a guy dancing around. I'm like, no, that's what's happening. You know, you see, you know, Dominic Cruz is another one. If you don't know the science of what's going on, you sit there like, I just see a guy with like some crazy footwork moving around. I'm like, no, he's staying on a figure eight. He's moving on the outside of it.

He's constantly out of his opponent's power range. And so now he's setting up. He's trying to get you to throw a punch so you can be a little bit off weight. He's going to have his feet set on the outside or on the inside. It depends on what technique he employed when you came in. And now he has options A, B, and C. But if you don't see that, you just see a guy who's bobbing his head moving around and throwing a punch. I'm like, nah, man, there's so much science going on that if you don't understand what's going on, it takes away from the enjoyment.

So I bring in it back and having that explain and broken down to people, man, that's why I'm so passionate. You know, that's why anybody that actually understands what's going on, I've never met a person I brought into a gym and starts showing them how submissions work, how footwork on their feet work, how throwing a jab isn't just your lead hand flying out. The intricacies behind pushing your hips, pushing off the back leg. Well, why is that guy jab better than that guy? Well, this guy, he's just stepping and kind of pulling his weight. The other guy is pushing off the back foot, driving, turning his hips, turning his shoulders, adding three or four inches to his reach, putting leverage behind a shot. That's what he's doing with his jab.

The other guy now is cocking off the side, loading his rear leg, looking for the overhand shot. Oh, he's just swinging a haymaker. No, he's not. Even Roy Nelson's overhand right. There's science behind it. Oh, he's locking his feet, posting weight on the back leg. And then when he throws the punch, he's actually. actually aiming more for the back of the ear so he can hit off your equilibrium.

And that way, if you pull away from it, he still has a chin shot. You duck in, you're going to get hit behind the head. Both are going to be shots. They're going to be pretty detrimental, but there's a science of what he's setting up. You know, and so all the fights, they're that way. They're not just two guys just going at it. You know, they're moving fast. But when you break down the science of what two guys are going down and doing,

how do you not fall in love with it? I've never had anybody that you give me five minutes of your time, sit on a mat with me, and let me explain to you what's going on. you might not want to join up and join a gym you might have injuries might not have the time but you're going to fall in love with it the way i feel in love with it and the way we all here fall in love with it just like you said you sit there you first watch guys in the mac you're like know these two fucking guys doing you know you sit there and hang out with an eddie bravo a guy who's a genius of grappling on the ground he starts why is that guy grabbing his foot what the hell is

he's doing it's like oh no this is rubber guard he's just not as a handle you know he's pushing the guy down pulsing through and now if you don't keep your elbow down he's going to slide through you know zombie rising up grabbing an overhook now you're set up for numoplata He can push it through, post up for a triangle, go ahead and go for a sweep, or maybe he pulls up the other foot and goes in for crackhead control and really just weighs down on the back of the head, pulls down, takes wind from you, setting up the next positions now his hips are free to flip over on the side and attack that other arm.

Man, how do people not get into that? If you like combat, you like sports, now you get an understanding of what these guys are doing. Everybody loves that. I mean, why do you think football, you name it, sports, people love to watch, but people like to understand it. You know, I mean, look at baseball. We break that down in numbers. You know, the different pitches, guys are explaining it.

People are knowing, like, why is this guy doing this? Well, you got a guy on first. So if this guy throws a fastball, even if the guy swings at it, you know, he's going to make sure that the guy on first can't steal second. He can't throw a change-up right now. You know, the way the count is right now, if he throws a change-up, that ball's going to be going too slow, they can't send their guy from first to second to steal because the catcher's

going to have now half a second more to throw down to second and get him out. You know, and it's like, whoa, that's what's going on. Yeah, I just thought it was a guy stealing him in a second. No, man, there is so much strategy going on, but people need to understand what that is or it's not exciting. Well, and that's the reward of any fan investigating and educating themselves about their passion. Like, I think that's why cooking shows are popular. You know, if I make something for you, I give it to you, you can tell me if it tastes good or bad. But if you understand the culinary aspects of it, the ingredients that went into it, you're going to have a greater appreciation for what I put together for you.

That's why I started training jiu-jitsu because just working in any ingredients of it, you're going to have a greater appreciation for you. That's why I started training Jiu-Jitsu because just working in MMA media, I wanted to be able to have a better comprehension of what I was seen to translate, right? That's what started. I was going to kickbox and I was like, you know what? I've been doing this for 30 years. A new Jitsu school doping over that. The first time I went in, I thought my head was going to explode.

Like I had never, I thought I was really going to die. And then I would go over there like just, Jesus, this is a fucking night, man. And then I started understanding. I go, you know what, man, the more I come in here, the strong I'm going to get. I don't have to be Johnny Jiu-Jitsu. You just keep showing up here. And you're going to get a little... This is as tough as it gets.

This is as tough as it gets. You know, and you mix it up with some kettlebells, and you walk and you lose weight. And I love it. I love it. Can I announce what you guys? Fuck no. There's too many fucking movements and shit. My mind don't catch that stuff that quick.

That's why I say that you're really fucking good at it. Thanks, man. Because I tried to do it one time. I was like, no. this is, I know a kick to the head or points to the groin. Well, if you train it long enough, you get it too. You get it, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, it is, it takes reps, you know, I've been in a gym for so many thousands of hours

that when I see a guy grab a wrist and move, there's only so many things that most likely he's going to do that are highly effective. So I can sit there, and that's why, you know, when I've commented W. You know, back in the day when the W.C. was still a thing. People loved it. Right, but I could fucking love it. I can sit there and go, oh, you know, I remember one time, you know, are you, is this, live because you're calling moves out before you see them. I'm like, well, no, I just train long enough, and I can speak fast enough that I see what's

about to happen. I can see the ebbs and flows of what each guy is going for. I said, oh, here comes the right hand. You got through a right hand. How did you know that was about to come? I'm like, oh, because two moves before the guy did this, I read what the guy did to counter it. I'm sure the other guy is a trained martial artist, read what the other guy was going to do to counter

it. And now they're playing a game back and forth. It's like, you know, they're trying to set each other up and move. This is a good podcast I'm happy you came on No man I'm happy too It's awesome This is fucking

I know you guys gotta get out of it man No next time of your Vegas Do our podcast No I went on I went on You were training in Brazil Yeah it was the week You were actually out

And I take Pala's down there in Brazil Yeah Yeah Some Pala time Let me get this shit out of the way We'll get you the hell out of here You coming back to Vegas

Any time Joey Anytime soon I think I think Oh that's a international fight week Yeah I'm doing the whole thing for 200. You'll see 200. Yeah, Friday night.

I got to sit there and watch one of his stand-ups and went hidden rafters up top and got to watch, man. Great stuff, man. You both, you know, you came out there. Oh, no, no. I loved it, man. And then Rogan came out there. Just a couple of weeks ago?

No, it's been probably about two years when I watched one of his stand-ups to come out there. I was laughing because one of the things I completely related to, I laughed my ass off to the point where, you know, I think some of the people were laughing. But I laughed like, I mean, the foot. A couple of guys around me are looking over, like, was it that funny? What he said? I'm like, no, you don't understand how funny that is. When, you know, you sit there and he was talking about how, you know, what is up with fighters?

You know, when a fan goes up to a fighter, I wants to take a picture, everybody wants to put their hands up, you know, put the knuckles, you know. And he goes, you sit there, you know, you know, you take a picture with Tiger Woods. You're not going to sit there and ask him, hey, can I pretend I'm doing a golf swing? It's crazy. It really is. Yeah, and I was laughing because that happens all the time. I go and take pictures with people. They lift their hand up.

I'll lift their hand up, too. you know, you know, whatever the fan wants, you know what I mean? It's their moment, you know, their picture, you know, however they wanted to go. But, you know, the whole, you know, let's hold up our fists, you know what I mean? You got in Buffalo, some guy was driving me crazy. I almost fucking stabbed them. There's a line.

It's Friday night. There's another show. We take the picture. There's no, no, no, no, I want to take one with my hand up. All right. He took it. He looked at, let me take another one. By the third one, I go, you got to go, dog.

Yeah. Enough with the fucking, you're, you sell flowers for a little. all of a sudden you want to put your fucking hand up. Leave me to fuck alone. Yeah, they want to square off with you. Oh, it fucking kills me. Anyway, why fuck around? All right.

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