The Church of What's Happening Now: The New Testament - #511 - Rudy Sarzo

Episode Date: August 28, 2017

Rudy Sarzo, Legendary Bass Player who has played with, among others, The Guess Who, DIO, and Quiet Riot, joins Joey Diaz and Lee Syatt live in studio. This podcast is brought to you by: Blue Apron: Go to blueapron.com/JOEY to get your first three meals free and free shipping!   Onnit.com. Use Promo code CHURCH for a 10% discount at checkout.   Recorded live on 08/25/2017.

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Onet.com slash church. Let's get this motherfucking started. Oh shit Monday the 28th of August Labor Day next week Cock suckers here you go For you dirty freaks out there The church of what's happening now

Rudy Sarzo Lisa Yat Oh shit Uncle Joey coming at you On a Monday morning Nothing but assholes and elbows What up you filthy fucking animals Rudy Sazo here Lee Syatt? What's up, beautiful?

What's up, Uncle Joey? You know, bro, putting the pieces together every fucking day. Don't stop. On top of everything, I got to raise a four-year-old at my age. Jesus fucking Christ. How are you? Bless, as a matter of fact, you were just playing American woman. I just became the permanent new bass player in the band.

Guess who? That's why I did. I respect for you. Yeah, I've been touring a lot and just having a blast. When you first went on, it was just a temporary bass. Well, what happened was that the original bass player that you hear on that song, Jim Kale, had not retired fully. You know, he had not made the decision yet. So he finally decided to retire, at least for a while, you know.

And so he passed me a torch, say, okay. And how many weekends are you doing a month with them? We do about at least three weekends a month. Jesus Christ. So it's like, you know. So it's just Friday and Saturday? No, no, no, no. I mean, we do about 10 shows a month.

Yeah. Do you ever get bored playing music? Or you're like, I wish you didn't have to play music this week? No. You must have been doing it for, what, 40 years? 50? Like, it's crazy. It's like eating, breathing, having sex.

You know, you never get bored of that, you know? You know, I always thought, I'll do comedy till I'm 50. And then you're just too fucking old. You know? It's too fucking old. Who wants to listen to some guy with white hair. crack fucking stupid jokes and here I am 54 and I always said I'm in something you know what next year's gonna be the last year then Ron White comes on he's 60 he goes on the road every fucking weekend you know and now you see these music guys that are all coming back then they're no fucking

spring chickens and they're fucking banging it out so you're like I don't know what to do I live in hell you know you you decide not to go on the road I couldn't see my life without going on the road. I think my head would blow up being here all the time. It's been too long that I've been taking these little comedy vacations. That's why it's even hard for me. Like I

don't want to sound ingraffle. When I have these home weekends, they've bothered the fuck out of me. Because I still have my life around these comedy shows. When I'm on the road, it's just about comedy for 24 hours. Yeah, I don't. I'm laying in a hotel room and I'm just worried about

fucking comedy. It's like if you had to do the Pomona grounds and then San Bernardino. You're fucking home. So you still got to walk your dog. You still got to go to the supermarket. You're still got to fucking take a shit. When you're on the road, you're on the fucking road, Jack. You roll a joint.

You watch gangland. You know what I'm saying? You take a nap. And I get that you have like you do it for your family. But that's why I don't, when you have a weekend like this weekend when you're in Ontario. It's like I almost expect you to stay near because it's like an hour drive. hour and a half each way. No.

That's a long drive. I can't fall asleep, knowing that I'm an hour and a half away. I used to do it all the time. Try, set up the sleep apnea machine, lay down. At 2 o'clock, go out of my fucking crazy. I'd rather spend the day with my wife, even if we just go to the farmer's market and know how and get a watermelon juice on one of those Filipino chicken sticks. They're really somebody's cat and somebody's pigeon that's missing.

Some magician is missing a white dove somewhere. And these guys are selling those little fucking sticks on the, corner. I'd rather do that to sit in a hotel room all day when I'm an hour and away from my family. That's me. But when I'm on, when I'm on, when I got to get on a plane, I go into a different mode. And I know you said something to me early on that I did it because of you. Now I always like saying like a little prayer to myself as I'm walking on the door, God, bring me back in the same shape I walked out this fucking door on Sunday. And that's it. Yeah. I know, I know exactly what you're talking about

because to me, every time I go at that door, it's about the trip coming back home. Yeah, that's it. And make sure that I come back home. With an envelope, you did a good show, you had a good time, like everything. My whole problem with the road, like, let's say this time, I came back on the 12th of August

and I'm not going out to the 15th of September. I'm going to work. I still got tons of work, but I have to get on the plane that week before I get on a plane I'm fucking miserable I gotta get on this fucking plane the whole week

I'm gonna quit doing comedy after this weekend I'm fucking done this sucks ass as soon as Uber as soon as Lyft picks me up at my house in the morning that little lift guy

it all goes out the window I got a little anxiety when you hit the 405 but after that you're like I'm going to work who's better than me I got a job I'm fucking doing stand-up

it doesn't matter like nothing matters what else would I be doing painting a house I'm going to fucking perform 20 years ago this was a dream I would sit in my room

at night crying writing all the cities I was going to play at when I got good at comedy and now I'm fucking doing it what am I upset about and I get into a great mood I eat a couple stars

I get on the plane I start mingling I put my iPod in I put in fucking diary You have a madman and two hours in flight. You can't wait to land to go do fucking comedy, you know. You miss your family, you miss your loved ones, but you go, what the fuck was I going to do at home? Sit there and watch TV and talk about it's going to be hot next week.

It's going to be hot next week. No shit, we got to do this. Get the fuck out of here. I admire you, Rudy. You're still out there. But that's, we were talking about earlier about the doctor we told you about, that he told us that most of the people he had. was musicians at that age. That's why you look great.

I asked you if you lift the weights. You said you don't like to strain yourself. The bass player is the heaviest thing you want to pick up. No, no, I do lift some weights, but it's nothing over. Yeah, you don't go into it to be Arnold Schwarzenegne. Yeah, I'm not trying to hulk out because what happens is I travel. So when I travel, what I do, I do yoga, but extreme yoga in my room just to, you know, get my blood, you know, pumping and, you know, getting ready for the show. because you just don't want to go out there

and kind of like be, you know, half asleep, you know, when you hit the stage, you want to be pumped up, you know? So I think, on the road, yoga is the best thing for me to do that. I usually hit the fucking gym and do the elliptical and lift a little couple weights and do push-ups and sit-ups, just for the same reason. Like today, I wanted to go to J-Jitsu,

but I knew that I had the long drive this afternoon, so you get all tight. So when you leave you jit and you sit down, I can't recover from that. My knees start to hurt. Like when I fly, I got to take an aisle seat, but on the right side of the plane so I could stretch out my left knee.

If not my knee gets fucking stiff, you know? Like there's all these little ailments that you have and all these things that you learn as you go along and you know, wait a second, if I go work out for two hours, like yesterday, I had to work at night. So, and I had a long drive. So what I did was I just boxed. I hit the bag a little bit.

I didn't do nothing that had my legs involved. I did all the heavy steel bat stuff. I did some curls, a lot of push-ups, a lot of sit-ups, a lot of crunches, all that shit. But no squats, no kettlebells, no nothing that involved bending that much. Speaking of fights, what do you think about the upcoming fight? Well, by the time they fucking hear this, they'll know. I know. I know, right. Yeah.

What do I think is going to happen this weekend or last weekend? I don't know. I really could not put a pulse on this fight. Yeah, I can't even imagine how it actually, you know, got sanctioned to happen. Well, it got sanctioned because the state of California gets 8% of every ticket sold. Nevada. So they're making money. Even though it's fought in Nevada.

Yes. Okay. There's a lot of people who had problems with this fight. Yeah. A lot of people, the only reason why this fight is happening is because of his M.MA and whatever, you know, they felt that he would be prepared. No, that he would be prepared. But they're really scared that Mayweather could hit him hard in the head. You know, Mayweather's a fucking assassin with his hands.

Yeah. It's a narrower game. You know, I felt that, what's his name? McGregor? McGregor, he's been working on all aspects. of his game for 10 and 15 years. This guy has just specifically worked on boxing.

Now, for years, there's been critics that have said that boxing and MMA boxing is two different fucking worlds, which it actually is. But, you know, listen, I'm not a boxing enthusiast like I was when I was a young kid. I don't know what's going on,

but I just didn't like this fight for personal reasons. That was it. I didn't like this fight because it kind of halted the UFC for this fight. You know, it put a lot of other young fighters and whatever. That's it. I just have my own personal briefs.

I don't care. People watch the fight or not. You know, I had taken the week of work before the fight was announced, so it didn't mean anything to me. It's like I'm going to cancel the fucking fight. If I cancel Saturday night, it's because my friend's dad died last weekend, and they're going to bury his dad on Sunday.

I would take a plan just to be with him and his sister. if I did anything, but it didn't affect me. I don't know why at all. I didn't react to it at all. I have other things on my plane, I think. Well, I mean, Rudy, you must have, as being on the road as much of you've been, do you even get excited for, like, events anymore?

Like, you almost can't, because you have to miss 90% of them, like Super Bowls, whatever, I don't know exactly what you're into, but whatever that you're into, you must miss 90% of it. Events such as the Super Bowl, you know, any organized sports, I'm not really a fan anymore, like I used to be when I was younger, because back in the day, when I was a kid, it was all about the sport. Now he's all about the money. You know, free agents and the agents getting involved and all these incredible deals that usually

what happens is when an athlete gets paid so much money, they never come up to their expectation. You know, that to me is the kiss of death. You know, you hear about, you know, this athlete that pay, you know, like the highest ever in their sport. And all of a sudden, they start sucking. I don't know if it's a psychological or a actual economic, you know, situation that they get themselves into because now they have all these different responsibilities to come up with, you know. So I think that that is better for the sport, for sports, for the game itself.

You know, I, this, this whole fight, it doesn't make any sense to me. It's like a sprinter going against a marathon runner. You know, if this fight goes over four rounds, which I don't think is going to go. McGregor, he's never gone over four rounds, boxing. You know, this is a stamina that you build through your life. You know, when you're a kid, you start training for, you know, for going 10 rounds. So it's 3-minute rounds. Yeah, it's 12-3-minute rounds.

Yeah. So that's basically 36 minutes. Yeah. When they're fighting the UFC, it's 25 minutes. Right. Which he's never really done only once, really, maybe with Diaz. They went to five rounds, and people criticized it about his stamina or something like that. Like I said, man, you know, it's so weird how you grew up liking sports.

You really enjoyed sports. You couldn't wait to two of your teams get together. And for me, Rudy, it was about 26. At 26, life got in the way. Yeah. Life just got in the way, brother. And it went from watching all day Sunday to then whatever. But I'll never forget when I was really down and out in 84,

I was forced to sit at a bar all day because that's where the action is. You're going to sit at the bar. People come in, they've got 100 quailudes. They've got to pound the pot. You've got to be there. And I used to always ask myself on Sunday, even at that point in my life, how the fuck do you sit here all day? From 10 in the morning and watch football till, and in those days, there wasn't no Sunday night game yet.

Sunday night games were on ESPN very rarely in those days. There were like four Sunday night games a season. It was all all day, and then the anticipation was for Monday night. And how many games? Wasn't it 14 games, too? Wasn't it a shorter season? Yeah, it was 14 games. They didn't really, the 17 games is for Vegas to get bigger.

Right, yeah. That's what the 17 games was for. You know, when I was a kid gambling, was big on Monday night football, and your gambling weekended then. Then you had Tuesday and Wednesday for basketball, and you paid the bookie on Thursday, but your weekend on Monday. But there was really no action, really.

If you didn't bet sports, if you were a purist, and you just bet football, there's really no action for you. Until Friday, until Saturday. Unless you're bringing high school, yeah. Then they said, fuck that. They had college. Remember, they used to have college on Thursdays. Then they said, fuck that. We're putting pros on. Fuck college. So they would alternate, like college and pro.

So you could actually see the pattern developed. They did Thursday, they started with you, the bookmaking. Saturday, you got all day in college with the last game being Hawaii at four in the morning. That's what the Coke had gamblers bet, Hawaii. Because they'll be up all night anyway, snorting coke watching Hawaii. that when you call a gambling on a Saturday night that does coke, ask him what he's doing. I'm watching Hawaii.

They're my salvation because everybody, there's always this, the gambling, the gambling mind believes that people who go play football in Hawaii don't go to Hawaii and play football. If they go to Hawaii, they get caught up in the beauty and Hawaii beats the fuck at them. Hawaii has the worst team.

I know, I was going to say. So you sit there and you bet Hawaii. Like you actually bet Hawaii getting 38 points at home. And you'll sit there going, they better not lose by more than 35. You know what I'm saying? Like, that was Hawaii. And then Sunday, you wake up early and you have football. So what did they do?

They added Thursday. And they added Sunday night to family night, the game of the week, that 4 o'clock 7 p.m. game. And they have a couple of them too now. They'll have a couple Monday night games sometimes. And then they have Monday night games. They learned how to get the most out of the system. I just, I love fucking everything. You know, I like watching football.

watching baseball, you know. Now it's changed for me. Now I watch football December and January. I watch baseball in September. There's nothing more beautiful than baseball in September and October. Nothing more beautiful in this country than baseball. Have you watched a documentary about the Cuban brothers? No.

You know, the two that defected? Which ones? El Duque. Al Duque, yeah, of course. Did you see the documentary? No, I haven't seen it. The 30 for 30? Yeah.

Come on, come on. You got to see that. ESPN, the brothers in arms, they show the first brother come, and then he fucking played for the Marlins, and they won a World Series. And then the other brother got shunned by the Cuban government. They would throw eggs at his house.

They would stop him and shake him down. They took him off the baseball team. He was only allowed to play in Sandlots, and then he defected. You know, the boat didn't show. You got to watch it. This dog. They were ready to take him back and that agent showed up Joe Cubas and got him to somewhere where there was no extradition treaty because Jamaica or the Bahamas has an

extradition treaty with Cuba. He got him out of there and then he brought old duke up to fucking the Yankees. Korniukun, but the whole time he had to leave his daughters in Cuba. So his kids were getting tortured and shit. So finally he's pitching in the World Series. It's game four against San Diego when they swept him In 1990 something, I don't know exactly They had just one And some lady, they had kept trying to get his daughters out They kept trying and trying and trying to get his daughters out

And the mother, they had no way to get it And they called this lady in Washington And she goes, you know, my mother instincts came back to me I felt for what they were saying she goes, I knew one connection to Castro and there was an arch, a bishop. She goes, I called him up and I told him he had to get on the plane that night,

the cube. And some state department guy wrote a letter to Fidel explained the situation that Oduke, they thought he was going to say no. And the guy, when the archbishop walked into Fidel's headquarters, he was actually watching the fucking World Series, man. That's how fucking, you know what I'm saying?

Here's a commie watching the World Series. Like he was into it. Like he was cheering for Old Duque. And the Archbishop gave him the letter. He looked at it. And he goes, you know what? The guy's a savage. Putting his daughters on a fucking plane. And they told El Duque

in the fucking dugout in San Diego, he got in a plane. Went right to Teeterboro, New Jersey. And you could stand there and look at the plane coming. Oh, my God. Tremendous dog. Brothers in exile. That's the name. of it. Oh, check it out. Shit. Oh, shit. And they showed the two brothers hugging, and he goes,

you got any advice for your brother? He's here from Cuba. He goes, stay away from McDonald's. Fucking tremendous. Tremendous. Tremendous. Oh, yeah. No one like with McDonald's. Tremendous. You know, the Castro tried out for the Yankees,

you know, to be a pitcher. What? Or the senators. Fidel Castro? The Yankees are the Senators. Yeah, Fidel. God, how come all these terrible people have, like, nice dreams

like Hitler wanted to be a painter Fidel ones Hitler tried out for the Knicks He was too short A lot of people Don't know that You want to be a Knickabaca But Red Holtzman wouldn't take him

And shit It was against his religious police And that's where you learned to hate the Jews In New York and shit No you're an interesting dude When I was talking on the phone the other day, you were telling me you were at this fantasy camp. And I had it all confused. I thought it was the camp where you guys get together with kids and they play in a band.

But then you were, how many of these do you do a year? Yeah, we do about eight. And I've been doing them for like almost 10 years now. This is the deal. The birth of Rock and Rollerer Fantasy Camp is from a former sports agent, David Fishoff. And he saw the baseball fantasy camp, as a model for the rock and roll fantasy camp, you know, having everyday people joining your, you know, your sports heroes, you know, playing with them, right? So the whole thing about rock and roll fantasy

camp is basically the same, but except that with sports, you have guys who are retired, you know, they're older, you know, in fantasy camp, the sport, you know, baseball fantasy camp. Whereas with Rock and Roller Fantasy Camp, you've got people that are actually active touring musicians. You know, for example, we have one coming up in about, well, September 16th. And it's Judas Priest. And it's everybody from Judas Priest, Rob Halford, you know. Happy birthday. Happy birthday, that's right.

Happy birthday, Rob. And, you know, Scott Travers and Richie and the original bass player, Ian Hill. Everybody except Glenn Tipton. They all come. Why is Glenn Tipton not coming? I don't know. He's never been to the. the camp, you know, but there was a band, you know, it's fine because, you know, KK Dallas show.

No, KK is not in the band. No, Richard, you know, Richard Faulkner is in the band. And what they do is that we actually, we go to the whiskey down here on the Sunset strip and we play. And they play with every single camper on stage of the whiskey or go-go. They do one, one song, one Judas Priest song with everybody. So they get to perform like, you know, if there's like 15 camps, camps, a camp, is actually a band.

They'll play 15, you know, with 15 different bands. You know, the band and and Judas Priest together. And it's an amazing, amazing, fun experience. That is fucking crazy. Yeah, it is nuts. I mean, you know, Judas Priest is getting ready to release a new record. So it's not like they're retired, you know. How old is he today?

I think it's 66. What I saw that this morning. Jesus Christ. Yeah. And Gene Simmons. too. I think he's 68. It's his birthday too? Yeah. Yeah.

Listen, I can't believe Ace Freeley is 65 and he's putting on a new album. Yeah. He's gonna go on the road too. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, the guess who? We have a new record coming out. It's already done, finished. Right now

we're just going to the process of, you know, putting it out, with a record company and doing the promo picture. and everything that we're going to do next week and all that. You know, it's a process. Unbelievable.

Did you think when you were playing with Ozzy that you were going to be playing when you were fucking in your 60s? You know, I didn't even think about... I think about... I don't even think about the last note that I'm going to play. I don't know. I don't think about it. I can't.

It's now that I can't. It's just that why? Why should I think about it? It's like, what do you think is going to be the last joke you ever going to say? I don't want to think about it. Yeah, exactly. That's it. Yeah.

You know, we're here to live, not to sit around, think about dying. I mean, I sit here, and the other day, way before July, like in March, I was sitting there one day. One night, and I picked up the phone, I called Dean. I go, Dean, hold on a second. Before I say something to you, I don't want to be an asshole. I went, I went online, I pressed an appetite for destruction. Because I remember the season, the summer I got sentenced. I got sentenced in 88.

And that whole summer in the afternoons, I would get home at 3 and put on MTV and sit there like a mo-mo and I would sit there until a sweet child of mine would come on and Slash was tremendous on it. And I go, that's right, that's 88, that's next year. But that album came out in 87. Let me check and see.

Sure enough. Fucking 30 years ago, July 20th or whatever was the release of appetite for destruction and here's the crazy thing they're still on the fucking road oh yeah that that's the crazy thing when Elvis released

loved me whatever in 55 you didn't see that fat fucking 85 jumping up and down on stage he was dead jacked these guys are fucking still alive and that's great not only that they're still out and performing three nights a fucking week four nights a week did musicians always do that

or like my mom when she grew up or her favorite like from the, or not her, maybe her parents, from like the 20s or 30s and the 70s, were they playing? Or were they not touring? Yeah, I mean, if you look at, you know, let's say Miles Davis, you know, he played until the day he died, Buddy Rich, you know, these are guys that were now retired, you know.

Sinatra was up there with a wig, with a teleprompter. I saw him. Forgetting his words, singing the song backwards. But it didn't matter. He was still five. I saw him to him too, and 84. He was fucking brilliant. I saw him.

In fact, I went with Sam Kinnison. He was performing and he had it like a night off. You know, with Sam, we used to play, you know, he used to bring musicians. And remember, he had that record deal. Wildfe. Wilde. I played on there. Yeah.

And I'm on the video too. So, you know, we were in Las Vegas. I think it was Cesar's. And he says, hey, let's go and see Frank. So, you know, his wife or girlfriend. I don't think they were married yet. Malika and Sabrina and my wife, Rebecca, me, and we just went there and we sat and the curtain opens up

and it's Frank and he's just standing there. I thought, wow. Is he dead? Because he just didn't move. And then all of a sudden the orchestra goes into Fly Me to the Moon, you know, and he opens his mouth and it's like magic, man. It's just fucking unbelievable. It was like, holy shit.

I was 21 and I just went. I didn't like to. that music all and all at that age of 21. You know, it's tough to go from Judas Priest to whatever to that night. So let me just go. And it was just fucking marvelous. When he sang my way, your fucking guts come out. Your guts come out.

Because he means every fucking word of it. Like his ego just meant every word of it. Like I can just tell. special they had on them on HBO. Did you watch that? Oh, yeah. Fucking brilliant. Just brilliant shit, man.

Those guys are from a different fucking cut, you know. You know, I grew up playing and listening to a lot of different styles. You know, when I was in top 40, man, we played in anything. We had to play whatever was top 40. It could be my way, not my way, but you're having my baby, Polanka. Polanka. And then turn around and play Smoke on the Water, you know. You had to make it work because that's what the club owner wanted you to play.

You want to play top 40, whatever's in top 40. So I really learned to really appreciate what I always looked for in music, which we had a lot of that in the 60s and 70s was honesty. Honesty in the playing and the singing and the music itself, lyrics. You know, if you listen to any of the Burr, Backerack, Hal David songs, it's just, man, it's just unbelievable. It's a lesson on how to write a song. You know, it's incredible.

Listen to Alfie. I know, it sounds goofy. But if you really listen to the lyrics, it's just amazing, amazing stuff. Were you a Beatles guy? Oh, yeah, absolutely. Did they change your world completely? From day one, you know, and I was on a plane, you know, and you're like going around trying to find something interesting to watch. And I came upon this, what was his name, Ron Howard's documentary on the Beatles, eight days a week.

eight days a week. And in my mind, I always go back to that 13-year-old kid that sold the Beatles for the first time when I was, you know, with my folks and my little brother sitting in the living room with our TV dinner trays, you know, watching it Sullivan and the Beatles come on and it just changed my life, you know. And I thought, I thought, wow, it changed my life because chicks were screaming at them. And I said, I want that. I really, I won that, that, you know, to be noticed, because I was pretty invisible when I was a kid. I was some fat little kid and, you know, back in the 60s, you know, being overweight and being a kid just was bad.

It was not a good thing, you know. And so I was like, you know, girls didn't want to have anything to do with me. And I thought, wow, becoming a musician, that's going to give me some sort of significance, you know. I'm a musician now. I am somebody, you know, and I'm going to have girls screaming at me and stuff. But now, you know, 40, whatever, 40 years later or 50 years later, I look at the documentary and I go, man, what really got me about the Beatles and I did not realize it was that they were badass. They were so incredible live, which I think they were handcuffed a little bit when they went in the studio and you really didn't get that sense. maybe on the first record, because from the first record, they had just come off, you know, playing in Hamburg, doing like, you know, 10 shows a night, whatever, you know, playing for hours.

They would do like playing the afternoon. They would come back and play at night. You know, that's all they did. And that's captured. It's raw. You know, if you listen to money, you know, that was the last song that they recorded for that session, you know, money, you know. And there's, it's an urgency and they're badass. to just like, you know, playing through it, like, with everything they got, you know?

And I watched a documentary, and this documentary has different angles. You can actually see Ringo. Ringo was a badass drummer, man. He was just, like, lean in over his snare and just, like, bash away and play. Like, then they have a P.A. system like we have today, you know, they have to be heard over the screaming girls with no P.H system, no monitors, nothing. The harmonies were perfect. these guys have no

any ear monitor, nothing. You know, like all these people complain out of this. Oh, my ear monitor went out and I can really sing, you know, on a Grammys or something. No, the Beatles, that didn't matter. They just went out there and they did it.

And it was just McCarney. I'm looking at the documentary and I go, okay, when is he going to look at the neck of his bass when he's singing? Zero. He just played away and he was playing badass stuff. I mean, to me, a Beatles song is like a bass.

lesson. You know, it's just amazing and it's like perfect and it's just like orchestrating all these bass parts. It wasn't like you know just being you know playing bullshit up there. The guy was so incredible he still is incredibly musical but you know but to have somebody you know to have a band full of bad asses George Harrison. It was like 16 years old. It was like kicking ass on you know playing lead lead guitar. It was like holy shit. You know and of course Lenin you know, genius. You know, all these guys, and you think, well, there's going to be a whole

country full of guys like this. Yeah, there were, but I don't think anybody compare to the Beatles. The Beatles really were at the very top, and then everybody will just follow them. You know, people, different bands had their, you know, strengths, like the stones had, there were more R&B, more bluesy than the Beatles were. Beals were more pop, and then they became experimental, you know, with a revolver and on to. to Sergeant Pepper and stuff like that. And, you know, you had the kinks. You had the who?

Rock opera. Who the hell came up with that? That was brilliant. Nobody had ever done that. Have you ever read the book, Pete Townsend book? No. Yeah. After, and it was having to do with their managers.

You know, they really talked them into taking music to the next level because their managers were, they were cinematographers. And they saw Pete Townsend's contribution to music as more like a script or film, you know. And so they talk them into writing a rock opera, which was Tommy, you know. And in the book, you know, Pete talks about that from that point on, every single piece of music he wrote had a purpose, a direction. It was not just a bunch of songs thrown together. it had an arc on a story, a statement, everything,

you know, which is totally different from the average band, you know, going out there and making an album. You know, we used to make albums based on snapshots. You know, it's a snapshot of where you're at today as a musician. Your life is.

This is what you sound like. This is what you look like. Which later on with MTV, it was a company with video. You know, so those are slices of our life, you know. That's why I always looked at best off records, a little bit more like a collection of pictures through a certain period. You know, like, let's say if you, it's a 10-year collection of your music.

It's like pictures. You know, it's a little bit disjointed, but it's a representation of what your growth as a musician. That makes a lot of sense. Even with comics, even when we put on CDs. Yeah, yeah. I listened to the blue album and I want to jump out of fucking window. But I could tell when I was listening to the blue album, I could hear the cocaine in my soul. Like it was fucking crazy.

Live at the queen of clubs, whatever. I can hear the cocaine in my soul. It's you or the priest. To me, it was the best thing I ever did. It was loose. There was no safety net. there was nothing. I was very happy at that time.

Like, I was just having a good time. Lee and I were just starting to hang out. We were making videos. Nobody was, there was no real tickets being sold. It was just us having fun. And that you could feel it. The eat pussy with asthma is just god awful. It's a reflection of what was going on at the time, which was I was overwhelmed.

You can hear the overwhelm in your voice. You got too much going on and there was nothing going on. See you know what I'm saying? There was too much going on, but there was nothing going on. Savage Dad, I grew a little bit. I could hear the growth a little bit. Still not my best work, but I could feel the happiness from having my daughter. around. I just heard

it on a plane a few weeks ago. It's one of the few ones beside the Tide you and the priest, they can listen to for longer than four minutes. I think you and the priest is like eight minutes. Savage's dad is like six minutes. Eating pussy with asthma goes off

within eight seconds. I mean, you can just hear the confusion in my voice that early. Were you working with a record label at the time? No, no. Just me and Lee fucking around. Just you guys. You know, that's really amazing because, you know, putting out a quality recording like you were just talking about. With, with, back in the day, we, we had to go through a system.

The system basically was if you were signed to a label, you were assigned an artist relations person, which meant that the person picked your material. You know, he came over to your rehearsal and said, okay. let me hear what you guys got for the new record or your first record. So if it's your first record, it means that you've been working on songs for the last, maybe two or three years. You've got like maybe 40 or 50 songs to show, you know, the artist-relation guy. And then he would look at it as how many singles can we get out of these guys

because that's how they make the money. The money, the money, you know, longevity and all that. Because back in the day, record companies did not have a piece of your merchandise and did not have a piece of your touring. It was all based on how many records they're going to sell. That was it. You know, today's different. And then if they didn't feel like they had about four possible singles,

they would say, okay, I'm going to bring in an outside writer. So, you know, somebody who has already had hits with other bands that needed help in the songwriting. And it's your first record. You know, or the NR guy will also bring. a song. He said, well, listen, I got the song either a remake. You know, for example, like in choir, right, it was a remake of a slate song, you know.

And or something that he's working with a publisher, you know. A publisher is an agent, basically, for songwriters, independent writers. They go to a publisher, and then the publisher gets together with record company, A&R guys, artist relations. and it says, if you can find a band to cover the song, you know, we could have a hit. So record company is looking for a hit. The publishers and songwriters are looking to place that song

to be a hit with a band. A band is looking for a hit because, you know, there's nothing like getting your music played on the radio, so people come to your shows, and if you got a hit, then you become a headliner, which is ultimately what you want. You know, you're an opening band for a certain amount of period, But if you become known as a perennial opening band, you're screwed because you're never going to get to be the headliner.

And that's where the big bucks are. And so beyond that, you have promotions people, you know, radio promo people, going to radio stations and doing payola, whatever. Yeah, payola did exist. Then you had the guy that was then working with the video, you know, the video side of your music, you know, finding the right director. with a storyboard to compliment your music and having that person bring in a stylist. Because all of a sudden, you know, you have to have an image. You know, like this is before no image was an image.

This is you have to have an image, you know. And so not to interrupt you. So come on hear the noise. Yeah. You could tell by the time you got the white snake, all that shit was in place already. Image. All that stuff.

stuff. I mean, personally? Right. No, no, no, no. The band. That band. Oh, no, no. Well, White Snake was another band. You mean, no, no, no. I'm saying when you were, there was a huge change from Quiet Riot to White Snake when it came to metal. Now they knew what direction they were going. When you guys did come on here, the noise and the other one from that album, it was, those were videos. When you guys, when you were in White Snake, you could tell that everything was, I even think your outfits were even handpicked for you. Like, they were so perfect those videos in the Skiddle of the night.

The one with Aniricatine. Yeah. There was like three or four videos that White Snake had, I think White Snake, when you were in White Snake, two albums? I played on on Slip of the Tongue. Slip of the Tongue. That one album

was, the videos were brilliant. The videos were, it was at the right time. They had just really figured out. Yeah. How to promote. Before that, look at breaking the law. It's a bunch of idiots going into a bank. And KK with a guitar.

You know, they were like goofy videos. Come on hear the noise. Started with the guy, do you hear me? You know, all that guy from Animal House. White Snake, da-da-da-da-da-da. All those videos were storyboard, A to Z. They knew how to do it.

Somebody even came and picked your shoes for you with the colored socks. That's a really good observation. actually. It's an outstanding observation. I can see it. I can see it. Let me tell you what happened. I got a phone call from John Kaladner, which was the artist's relation person for Geffen. And there's a backstory to my, to my relationship with Weissnake that predates me joining the band, because White Snake was the opening band for Choir Riot in 1984, you know, during the Condition Critical Tour. So I got to not only meet, I met everybody. And I knew John Galatner. from all the things that I was doing in Los Angeles. And so I got the phone call.

I was playing with Tommy Aldrich. We were trying to do our own project, and they called us up, and it says, we were actually invited to play on the record, but that's we declined, and that's a whole different story, on the 87 record, a couple of years before he got finished.

So going back to 1987, it was just like 30 years ago it came out. You know, we get the phone call, and Collatner says, listen, David wants you to come in and, you know, be part of this video that we're doing for, you know, for the new record. And it was still of the night. And they actually, they sent over a stylist. This lady came in, Nirmus Flur, very top shelf stylist at the time.

And she came, she went through my closet. She started picking stuff out, you know, and he said, okay, bring this to the video. shoot and that's why you see me wear on that video shoot by the time that that configuration of vivian campbelly van derbyt, Tommy alders, and david coverdello myself, we became officially a band then fliers started making outfits for us you know like now we're yeah we're not going through your closet anymore so for here I go again and it's just love they were shot back to back like one day we finished one and then we came back the next day and we did the other video. Yeah, those clothes that you saw, they were actually made for us, you know,

especially made for us. And then we took them on the road with us. So, yeah, the record company had not only that management had a huge part, Trudy Green, our manager, you know, she would go to photo sessions with us. And she was, we were like, you know, posing and she would like move us around and tell the photographer, Neil's Lozar, okay, this is what I'm looking for.

And when you would do a photo session, the strategy was to do one that you're going to have different looks that will carry you hopefully through a whole year of touring. So you're going to have to break from touring to do a photo session because that's, you know,

everything is planned ahead. And it's positive thinking. It's not like, well, maybe this is going to happen. No, no, you're going to be successful. And these people are going to make sure that you become a success. You know, there's a certain machine behind all of these

superstars that you see. A lot of smart people that make all the right moves for you. You know, that's the way that it used to be back in the 80s and even 90s until you know,

downloading, illegal downloading started happening. Well, even the peak of it, I thought, was the marketing they had done for guns and roses on like volume one and two like those videos were million dollar videos that was the peak of it

Geffen again Geffen yeah Biggie Smalls 95 96 you know We're in the ties with the boats and the bitches on the boats yeah you know it's a big difference from the video for yeah uh not NWA yeah look at NWA's videos they were nothing they were made for $10 yeah they just told the bunch of

you know, a black pool party. But look at the videos for fucking Tupac and your mentor there. What's his name? Shug Night. Shug Night. You know, when they did the set from Road Warrior, Mad Max, and they were all yelling.

By that time, those videos were a million dollars. No. All those fucking Guns and Roses videos were a million dollars. You know, slashed by the fucking church. Pretty expensive, too. Yours are pretty expensive too. Trudy, you know, with HK management, she made sure that we got the best,

and the best was Marty Cullner, you know, director. I mean, he's known for all the things besides music videos. Like, he has a matter of fact of him. He's got his own shows on HBO, you know, and he's done, like, you know, live shows from Madison Square Garden and all of that. So he's like, you know, probably just about the best live director that there is. So our video.

were phenomenal. I never even thought about it before. Is that what music videos are for, like a marketing tool? Oh, absolutely. Yeah. That's okay. Joey and I talk about it a lot. We talk about marketing and all that,

and how a lot of people now are very cheap. A lot of people, like, don't want to spend on marketing. They want to hire someone for free to that. And spending hundreds of, like, tens of thousands of dollars on a video that you're never going to see, like, direct money from. like it's it must be so weird now yeah and it's non-recupable

you know the the band actually pays for it from their royalties and they're like if we make a badass video this album will sell well alright let's take Michael Jackson's Thriller it didn't cost no 10 cents to make those two movies those yeah but those two videos is why that

fucking album sold wow you know what's three million when you're going to make 35 million right You know what I'm saying What's 3 million when you're gonna make 35 million No absolutely because it's a fucking nothing It's part of doing business

And it was all MTV that's where you saw Yeah all MTV all MTV all MTV You know I was telling I was telling Was it what you want to call me Oh Diagostino probably Diagascano I still remember Staying home to watch a fucking guy I still remember going to a party on New Year's Eve

And everybody's stopping at midnight Because they were gonna premiere a new video Oh yeah Like that's how big MTV used to be. Like, you, at New Year's Eve, they were in a premiere video or some fucking guy named Aldo Novo.

I never heard this fucking Aldo Novo before. Aldo Nova. But why the fuck would they premiere video somebody at midnight on New Year's Eve if he ain't going to be any good? And he shows up and there's a helicopter and there's two guys with machine guns

and you hear laser beams and then Aldo Novo jumps off the stage and the music is mens a motorty. You know, you're like, wow, wow. Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. And also he just comes running out of a cloud of smoke, and he starts bobbing with the band.

And it was okay. You know him personally now, he's like a... He sold two or three songs like that. Oh, yeah, no, yeah. That's his claim of fame now. Yeah. But they would put, how many advertisers did they do? How many...

You have no idea what they used to do. I still remember fucking sending postcards in the MBV to attend Pat Benatar's wedding in Hawaii. You know, why the fuck? That's what they were doing. when bands will come to your house and play a show at your backyard? We did one of those. Yes, I told you, Quiet Riot.

Christmas. There you go. Freaking Christmas, right? So it's like, wait a minute. We just got off this tour. And on that five days, which is during Christmas, that I'm going to have off, I got to go somewhere in America to playing somebody's backyard. Can you imagine, Emily? No.

So somehow. That must have been the best concert ever. Like, you must have been annoyed. You got like 10,000. $1,000, quiet ride came to the house. Well, yeah. Yeah, the people who won. I got shit.

It was nothing. It was part of a promotion. Promotion, right? So, and then the manager calls and says, hey, listen, yeah, the winner is some guy in Pekoma, wherever it was. It was, you know, driving distance, you know. They said, oh, great. So I can at least spend Christmas with my family and then go to this guy's backyard and play

common field. You know, because I thought, man, we're going to be stuck. somewhere and you know so what can Fargo play somebody? So MTV you would send the postcard into MTV if you won you would win $10,000 and a hundred of your friends

would be invited to a pool party with quiet ride personal in your backyard. Oh shit food provided everything it was like a fucking party and they came to your house and there was a couple of the bands that did it I forget who we did it so what came first

MTV or the music video Do you remember? MTV. Well, what was the music video? There were music videos, you know, like Beatles,

the Beatles made music. Yeah, that were music videos. But a whole channel that just played music videos, I mean, that was never done before. All right,

MTV was created September of 81. Wow, you remember that? Yeah, MTV came out September of 81. You guys shot videos for Blizzard of Oz

way before 81. Well, actually, the video that is available on YouTube, from a cable access station in Rochester, New York. That was not done for MTV, but it was actually done to promote the show that we played in Rochester. That was the only real three-camera shoot we did with Randy

because there was plans to do what is known as, Speak of the Devil from Irvine down the road with Brad Gillis. That was supposed to be Randy Rhodes. playing on that, but of course, you know, he passed away a few months before that. So the only shoot that we did with actual three cameras, you know, you could edit it, that was it. It was Mr. Crowley. Yeah, Mr. Crowley.

I don't know. Suicide solution, maybe something like that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I saw that. Yeah, that one, you know, and, and, you know, Randy and I, I wrote about it in my book. We, we walk in there. It's a little room. It's a little bit bigger than this, you know.

And there were maybe like 10, 15 people watching us perform. And it was our day off, and we just took it as, eh, you know. I turned around to Randy and said, well, thank God, nobody's never going to see this. And it became, you know, it's the only thing that we have, you know, with Randy on it, you know. We never knew that was going to be our only exposure, you know, to show how the brilliance of rain. It's crazy how there were videos, but I had never really seen a music video till MTV. But there used to be a show on USA that also started about 82. If 81 was MTV, USA had a show called Night Flight.

Oh, yeah. On Friday nights. Yeah, night flight, yeah. And it went from 9 to 6 in the morning. What? And it covered everything. Yeah. Art, a movie, a short film.

sketches but they would cover a band like the 10 o'clock segment was a band and they would play videos that you go wait a second that's 1976 you know when they just did the 70s on CNN they had great videos

they're not really music videos there were scenes from a concert like heart which crazy on you and shit like that we had midnight special that's right midnight special we had in concert Don Kirshner in concert.

Don Carcer's rock concert. Those were brilliant. Brilliant. Brilliant. Now, did you ever go on there with Ozzie? No. By then, Midnight Special was gone and in concert too. We did what is the first MTV special produced for MTV, which is Speak of the Devil with us performing live at Irvine.

That. That was actually premiered Halloween, 1982. What did you guys do with the Ritz? Oh, that's another speak of the devil. That's the re-recordings of Black Sabbath Live at the Ritz, which again, Brad Gillis, Tommy Aldridge, and Ozzie and myself. That was also, it gets confusing.

It gets really confusing. When you name two things, the same thing. That's what I'm saying, what the fuck is he talking about her? And I had Speaker of the Devil from fucking the Ritz in New York City. It's amazing the memory you guys have. Like, I don't know how you remember. number shows, the name of the makeup artist, or the whatever it was, the, the, the stylist. Your memory is brilliant.

That makeup artist and all that shit is brilliant. Because I really, I cherish the blessings of every single step of my career. Is that one? That's the same way I look at it too sometimes. Like, you remember those people for being there at that moment. Absolutely. But I remember you, like, Ozies, there was two out. Let me listen.

And I'm writing about this now. And I'm thinking of putting this in to this book, like the music. Like the chapter's name and then the songs or music I was listening to. That 80, 81, it was just fucking that Ozzy album and Pink Floyd DeWall. Pink Floyd DeWall came on November of 79. right something like that the tour started in February in New York

and those were three months that I wanted to shoot myself like I wanted to kill myself like I was waiting for a train to hit me but I said I got to wait for Pink Floyd like I can't kill myself

before Pink Floyd don't make no sense I pay 1550 I can't die before Pink Floyd that's a lot of money back then yeah my mother had my mother had died November 8th The ticket, the Pink Floyd album came out like the 23rd or something,

and that kept me alive to February. And then on February, I read an article that Ozzy was done, and Papa and was creating a new art. And then all of a sudden I went to Bleaker Bob's in the city, and I saw the four-song EP, and that was more hope for me. And, you know, listen, every time I'm in that car and I hear, nobody ever told you, told me I found out for myself,

you got to believe in foolish miracles it's not how you play the game it's if you win or lose you can't choose that's it that kept me alive another five years like that kept me alive that album kept me alive and then you know the diary

of a madman put me over the top by that time he was biting animals and we started I was telling these guys I went to a party once and my friends had a table and a hammer and they were breaking glass and for you to come into the party had to eat a piece of glass

Like when Ozzy started eating animals It set my town on fire One Halloween, we went dressed to the thing as garbage And we all took strings And tied live mice around their tails We walked into the party With live mice hanging off the garbage

And then we started pulling up the mice Everybody across the country Was eating fucking animals Everybody Everybody was eating the rat's head More people After Ozzy bit that fucking pigeon's head off More people got

sick. He created a fucking it was, then the guy went on David Letterman and said, because Ozzy ate a bicycle. Now, come on. Remember he said he had. It took a year to eat a bicycle. Listen, we were playing in Lubbock, Texas, and this is

after Ozzy piss on the Alamo. Right. You know, so we were getting death threats, you know, the whatever militia what's in Texas militia was going to shoot Ozzy on stage and we were like staying away from him. Or we were like, come over to was run away from him, you know.

And I'm like doing my, you know, my things, you know, swinging from one side to the other. And I hear this on stage. I feel it. It just hit the stage. And I looked down. And I thought somebody had thrown a baby on stage. It was actually a bullfrog. They have, those suckers are huge down in Texas, man.

They're like baby size, right? Oh, no. And people were like, bring dead animals to our show. and security would like stop with them and then they would take Polaroids and bring a backstage and say, check out this head of a cow. Like somebody just went to a slaughterhouse,

grab a head of a cow, and, you know, was trying to bring it on the show so they could throw it on stage, you know, so Ozzy could bite it. I was there when Ozzie bit the bat. You know. And again, I'm doing my thing

and I look on the ground and there's this thing, crumpled up thing. And I motioned to Ozzy, hey, you know, check this out, right? So I keep playing and we do our set. So I did not see him doing the whole thing because I was, you know, head-banging, you know. We're getting off the stage, you know, we just finished the show, and there's an ambulance ready. And they put him in the ambulance and they take him to the hospital.

And I go, what the hell is going on? And he said, well, Ozzie bit this bad, and he thought it was rubber, and he just bit into it, and then realized that it was the real thing, and threw it on into the pit, you know, where the audience is. They couldn't find it. You know, in order to test it for rabies, so they gave Ozzy rabies shots. And the tour manager comes in the bus, because, you know, we parked the bus right outside the hospital, waiting for him to get, you know, to get checked out. And the tour manager goes, hey, can I part of your camera?

And he says, yeah, go ahead, take it. Yeah. So he takes pictures of Ozzie and the nurse, you know, hamming it up, you know, getting the rabies shot on his leg, on his thigh, you know, this big nurse, you know, in Des Moines, Iowa. And so, you know, he comes in with this little box and he puts it in the fridge and I go, what's in that? And he goes, oh, it's monkey serum. I got to take this every day. so he started, you know, getting injections on the road. Monkey serum injections for his rabies.

Yeah. What is wrong with people? Like, was there a bat flying around in Des Moines? How did the bat end up in Des Moines? Somebody grabbed a bat and throw it on stage. You know, listen, back in the, in the Diary of Madman Tour, we had a little person, little John, a dwarf, you know, little person. and dressed like a monk on stage that he would be like the guy who brings Ozzy a towel or,

or, you know, a drink or something during, in the middle of the show. And he was actually an actor. This guy had been on Blade Runner and a bunch of movies, you know. And, uh, and Ozzy used to, like, torture him. And we used to hang him. Well, the crew did during our ballot. Goodbye to Romance. He would be like hanging, you know, from a noose.

behind the drums, you know. So at the end... A monk. A monk, yeah, with a robot and stuff, you know. And he used to drag a bucket of, of, like, buddy parts, you know, like gizzards and intestines or whatever. Whatever the runner for the promoter will go to the grocery store and buy just gizzards and chicken livers.

and whatever and throw in that bucket. And tripe, tripe was always the best to throw because it was like a lasso. You know, you could, it had distance if you threw that. And a lot of the times it was not,

it would not defrost by the time, you know, that the show ended, you know, so he was throwing out there like frozen pieces of liver and gizzards and whatever, you know. And one day,

and what happens is, okay, he would start throwing it. throwing the meat out into the audience during paranoid, which was the last song. So here, you know, we're like rocking out and there's this dwarf, you know, marching across the stage slowly.

As a monk. Throwing, you know, innards, you know, animal parts into the audience. And the audience is ducking. You know, the first 20 rows, everybody would like duck, you know. But what goes into the audience comes right back on stage.

So you spend the second half of the song ducking body parts again because you know liver and shit that was coming at you as you're playing you know and one time I got hit I got hit during a bow because you know when you take a bow with a band you know you guard your arms around you know the other guys and everybody goes down at the same time and everybody comes up in the same time I see this piece of liver coming at me as I'm coming up and go oh shit bam got hit right on the forehead these are your fans like why I don't understand they're crazy

they just got caught in the moment did you ever go to one of these concerts with the meat Joey no I never the last Ozzy concert I probably went to was October

of 82 at the metal lands with Brad Gillis whatever his fucking name was that was it that was right yeah they had the castle already yeah 82 yeah

that was it I had gone to the shows at the Palladium in 81 with guys. Yeah, I was with Randy. Were you there first or the second show? I think I was there on Friday night.

Oh no, me, there were two shows and one night. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the early or the light one, yeah, yeah. But it was just so weird, that was it for me. Like, that was it. And I don't remember any fucking animals or anything, fucking clocking me in the head. No, no, no.

But people are crazy. Listen, man, there's a clip. There's a clip from Don Curse's rock concert, killing yourself to live. you know and I always look at that clip and there's three guys in that concert that was me and my lunatic buddies we used to make our own shirts

we had a buddy of mine Mike Ascleese who worked at Levy's sporting goods in West New York so before every concert he'd give you a shirt I remember for suicide solution we wore suicide solution with a joint in between suicide solution

but it was really a line of coke but people would ask us what it was when we'd say it was the line of fucking coat. What does it say, Lee, you find that? Yeah, I got it. I just, I have the guys. But if you look at these fucking lunatics, this was an Ozzy concert. This was a Black Sabbath concert, which he carried over. Oh, yeah.

Look at those three morons. You see those three morons? That's me and my buddies with the homemade t-shirts. A Aussie, Tony, Giza, Black Sabbath has returned. Started right from there. But push it up a little closer. A little earlier. Move it up a little earlier.

Like more, more, more, more. Right there. Watch them. Watch this. Do you want to hear it? Look at fucking I owe me, Rudy. Look at him, bro. He was...

Mustard. Well, wait till you see these three morons. That was Joey Diaz and his friends. Look at them. Look at these three morons. But wait, they even go even crazy. Watch this. Watch this.

Watch these three morons. Ready, this is Joe Diaz. Look at them. Look at them. They almost killed themselves. Look at these three guys. They're going fucking. shit. That's what you had to lead. People just going fucking nuts, man. Listen to that shit at home

people. This is 40-some years ago. 40-something. Look at them. Look at them. And one of them is black. He can't fucking believe it. He's like, I'm not going back home. I'm done. I'm hanging out with white people from now. Look at him. Watch this one. Watch this one. Look at him. Mino, they're losing their fucking minds. They still haven't had enough. Look at these two guys. That's Joey Diaz. They haven't stopped.

Look at them. Are you kidding me? Are you fucking kidding me? Look at them. These three guys, Rudy, tremendous. None of these three guys gave a fuck. Look at them. You think they gave a fuck about Trump or Hillary?

Look at him, look at him, look at him. He don't give a fuck. He's a butler. He don't give a fuck right there. You think Bill Ward gives a fuck? Look at this savage. Then they came back with Never Say Die, and I don't think it was that good on Donkers Rock, aren't shit?

I think they... I got to tell you, it's guys like you were talking about that makes us musicians, you know, going through... It's not about what we do on stage. It's all the bullshit that we have to go through. As you know, for you to get on stage, all the bullshit you got to go through to for those one hour, you know, 75 minutes so you're there.

Is that audience the going apes shit that makes everything worthwhile? Oh my God. You know, I mean. I would lose my mind. You're an entertainer. You know what it's like when the audience is going bad shit, you know? You feed right into it. Yeah, exactly.

It's like, give you this weird energy. Yeah. It's, I can't stop now. Yeah, exactly. I can't stop now. Exactly. That's what they were doing right there. And I'm like, you know what?

Yeah. We're going to take these motherfuckers to the help. They've got to leave you going. And another thing that I took from watching that video again, it's being in the tour bus with Ozzie having a conversation. Because, you know, back in the day, there's no, there's no social media. It's not like a bunch of guys sitting around with their iPads or iPhones, you know, going on Twitter. No, it wasn't like, you're stuck in a tour bus smelling each other's parts.

and you got you know you have to socialize you know what else you're going to do there's nothing you know we had like like in television video games stick men running across a TV TV screen you know it was we had VHS cassettes we had nothing

so you do us you sit around and you talk and drink you know if you're into drinking whatever so I'm you know with Ozzy and we go hey Ozzy are you ever a Beatles fan and he goes, yeah, man, Beatles to change my life,

you know, the Beatles are my favorite been. And then he goes, Yesterday, the was such an easy game to play. And it just sounded so evil, the way that he sang. He could sing happy birthday.

He would, like, join in. Happy birthday to you. And he's like, holy shit. You know, the clouds are come rolling in. It gets dark. into room.

It could be the happiest song, but he puts the hand of doom on it. He puts the cabascha on this shit. He could fuck up that Jewish song. Hana Kahita, Hana. Nah gila. Whatever. They won't even want to jump up and down the Jews.

They're like, what the fuck happened? Here, take the envelope back. I'm in no mood for this aggravation. Let me give some shoutouts real quick here. I'm in no mood. Yeah. Carlton Shackleford, you bad moot. motherfucker, Ryan Donnelly, Letitia Caten, Nick Minano, Derek Winslow, Jordan, Cainor,

O'Barr, Mussel, you're a good man, Sarah Wilkinson and my man, pretzel worst. You know I love all you cocksuckers. Guess what? I got no dates. So, I'm off for a couple weeks. September 16th, I'm in Oklahoma at the casino, and then the end of the month. The Cherokee casino, I think, right? I think it's called, and at the end of the month, I'm at the Pittsburgh Improv in the end of September. That's it. I got a slow month this month. I'm not in the fucking mood, you know what I'm saying? I'm writing. I'm taking care of

shit, Rudy. What do you got going on a September? Got a good shout out to my gut son, who's one of your biggest fans? Vinnie, Vinnie Fiatto. Viti Fiatto, I love you, Papa. Where are you in Miami? In Miami, yeah. Tell them I'll be in Doral down there. Ed Doral? Yeah, next year.

Oh, that's close. Yeah. Yeah, I'll be down there next year. Yeah. There was... When? When are you going to be there? They're going to open up a club

and they just called you. Then they say, you're interested in opening it? I'm trying to find the 600-seat theater in Miami. That's what I'm trying to find. A 800-seat theater. I could go down there and do two shows on a Friday and get it over it and start building this fucking Cuban thing. I want to start building it down there.

I want to start going down there and working on like a half. There's a place called Magic City Casino. Yeah, I know, I know. Right there in your mail like I... They keep breaking my balls about that casino. So let's see what the hell happens. They found one in Fort Laude there, but I don't want to play. That's too far.

That's too far from what I want to do. So it's just been a nightmare lately. But there was something that I really wanted to... Downtown Miami, that would be a good one. That would be it. I even like that Jackie Gleason Theater. Oh, yeah. The beach.

I just don't know what it seats. Oh, it's big. It's big, yeah. For the last two years, we've been losing a lot of musicians. Just a handful from Greg Holman to fucking Prince. But this year, we lost two of them to the same fucking thing, you know. And I remember when you and I first met, we were here in this. I think we were in the other office, and we were talking about how with musicians, comedians,

there's a thin line with mental illness. You know, you know, Lee and I had a, we had a double-day podcast in here about depression, you know, Lee was feeling a little down. Did you go talk to your people today? Not today, I'm going next week.

Next week. So you didn't go this week? Not this week. You fucked up already. So, you know, we're just talking about things. You know, I feel shit different times in my world. You know, I get feelings in my head that are not evil, nothing.

I'm just not feeling what I should be feeling. You know what I'm saying? You'll find yourself and you're like, why am I feeling like this? I have no reason in the world to feel like this. Why do I feel this way? But this year, we've had two musicians, you know, Chris Cornell, we hear every fucking day on the radio to rub salt in your wounds. You know, I feel like writing a letter to the radio stations

and going, stop playing them for a year, please, a year. Because I can't even get over it, you know. I like the other band, you know, But it's not about whether he liked the band, and the kid still took his life. What a fucking shame from Lincoln Park. I mean, what the fuck? What?

You know, now you're hearing all these stories. They were part of a child pornography ring, and they went in and hung both of them. You know, these fucking people don't stop with the conspiracy theories. You know, they found no obvious heroin in Chris. You know, they found whatever pills he had in the system, you know. I mean, do you have a take on this? Do you feel anything?

Well, the theory behind the child pornography ring was that they were about to uncover. They were about to say who was involved. They were not involved in it. No, no, no, no. They were completely against that. You know. Los Hinto San Lazzaro.

Here, he got knocked over San Lazzaro, which is like, I got to go to church and do some. You got to kill a chicken. You got to kill a chicken when you fuck with San Lazaro shit. So, yeah, it's, you know, I've worked with people that I'm not going to name, of course. It's, you know, who've had some mental issues, you know.

It's, it's, unfortunately, and I think it's not just music. It's entertainment industry or even, even in sports, you know, if you're a big moneymaker, if you, if you as an artist or an athlete generate a bunch of cash, for a bunch of people, they're going to keep feeding you and keep you out there for as long as possible. You know,

and you basically become disposable to them, you know, because you're gone. Sometimes you'll even generate more money for them after you're gone. Look at Elvis.

Look at Michael Jackson. You know? All of these. You know, it's very unfortunate because it's, you know, I can't judge

anybody because, because it's their journey. We each have our own journey. And I'm not here on this earth to judge people. It's very sad that it happens, and I just hope that it stops very soon if people are able to offer help. But, you know, sometimes when you're so,

if you're on the road, man, that could be the loneliest place ever. You're in your room all about yourself. Sheds are coming through your head. it can be very dark, very, very dark. Even in the bunk of a tour bus, man. You know, you're going to traveling and shit going on through your head, you know, especially if you happen to have mental illness, you know. You know, so weird how years ago I would go on the road

and it wasn't about the comedy, Rudy, it was about the cocaine. You know, it wasn't about pussy, it wasn't about seeing friends. It wasn't about the food in Houston. It wasn't about the Chinese food in Florida. It was all about the drugs. Like, I'm going to go down there for two weeks. I'm going to make 1,300 bucks, and I'm going to come home with 200. I'm going to drop everything else on blow and have a good time.

And it's not lonely. It's lonely that morning when you're sitting there, and you go, what am I fucking doing? You know, and there's just so many ups and down. to this business that people don't really know about. They see you on your Netflix special, you know, cracking jokes, walking around. They think you leave there and you're the life of the party. I love when women start dating comedians. I love when women start dating comedians, and after 90 days, they tell their friends at work,

I've got this new guy on date, oh, my God. Then they all get together and come and see him, and they tell her, There must be a barrel of laughs living in the house with this fucking joker. And within three years, you'll see what fucking barrel of laughs is to live with a fucking comic. Because there's a flip side to that laughter. There's a flip side to that happiness. There's a yin and a yank, you know what I'm saying? And you pay for all of it.

And it's the same thing with music, only a different energy. You're putting out music, you're not exposing yourself, which in the way you really are. You know, people are seeing you, the Taich, Hundel, my deal and at the end of it all everybody goes back to their room and he won your room by yourself and the party's over and yeah but i have so much respect for guys like you sam kinnison you know all my buddies jim florentine you know great gas you know guys who get up on that stage with basically your dick in your hand that's all you got you know we get amplifiers we can be louder than And anybody, you know, we got lights, we got fireworks, we got big screens.

It's just you and a microphone out there. And I couldn't do that. You know, you're bearing your soul to the audience. How do you do that? I don't know. I don't know. I sit here and I figure, who the fuck gave me permission to actually believe? that I was gonna do like you know what I'm saying like give ass you something who gave you

who gave me permission to think that I was gonna be like I didn't get the memo that I was gonna be an Ozzy I was once banned after he broke up a black Sabbath I didn't I didn't get that memo you get it really I didn't get this memo about comedy I never got this thing that this is what it was going to end up like at all Rudy when I got into this it was just to do something in my life I didn't get I didn't know Anything, I love Richard Breyer, and I love what he stood for. And when he lit himself on fire with the Coke, I loved him even more. You know, and then I read the Lenny Bruce book, and I even became more infatuated with becoming a comic.

But I didn't have the heart to get on stage. Come on, this is a great idea. But then I got locked up, and I would go up and fuck with the fucking Invicts during the week. And then I realized this is nothing. This is what I've been doing all my life. There's a part in, what's that movie with Pacino where he plays the football coach. Oh, yeah, yeah.

On any given Sunday. He takes Jamie Fox on the time. Come here. It's a quarter to five. Your mother's going to call it. Your mother just called Jen for dinner. You got one plate left. Remember?

You made the guy run to the Cadillac and hook a fucking right. Same thing. It's the same thing I was doing. I'm 54. You know, it was the same thing I was doing maybe I don't know, when I was 15 in front of a deli

in front of 12 people I'm doing the same thing I was doing in the deli. Talking about we went to a party that day, let me tell you fucking Rudy did this cuck sucker. No, I didn't. I didn't make up with the chick, you know. He took down a tree and a zip line.

No, I didn't. I didn't take anything down. Lee got a coupon and that's what I'm saying. Lee didn't take the zip line down. But that's what I would tell my friends, and that would start from there, yes, you did cock sucker, and you used a group on, and then from there, everybody would chip in. That's stand-up comedy. You're just doing it in front of your fucking friends.

And then the closer would be a chick would walk by, and I'd take my dick out and ask her a question. Like some woman, I was like nine, and I would take my dick out and ask her question, and we ran away. That was the closer. It's the same thing. It was a performance.

I've been doing this all my fucking life without even knowing. You didn't even know it. You know, on Fridays in the sixth grade, I used to have to go to the front of class and sing my eyes adored you by Frankie Val. Every fucking Friday. And I actually thought I was Frankie Val.

I brought a shirt and put an eye in collar. It's the things that are right in front of your face that you end up. I just do it in a higher magnitude now. Now I do it in front of 300 people a night instead of the 12 people with a fucking delicatessen. You know, I'll never forget the first day I ever stood on stage.

as a musician the first gig you know it was in Miami we used to have this thing called open houses which was not an open it was nothing to do with real estate

was actually it's some sorority group or some little gang were financed this dance you know and the

so they were higher bands and that's what the chicks were you know it was kind of like a social thing you know and we had a band and I stood on a state

and it was a proscenium type stage. So there was like an enclosure. And I never seen this before, but I actually saw like an energy, like a shield protecting me from the audience. Protected me because there was some pretty rough kids out there, you know. And once in a while they'll have like inner fraternity fights, you know, between different fraternities.

You'll come and, you know, somebody will get stabbed or shot at. It's Miami, you know, with a bunch of Cubans, you know, back in the 60s. And, man, I stood up there and I felt safe for the first time in my life. Safe in a sense that was not going to get emotionally hurt. Because I used to get emotionally hurt a lot. You know, first of all, you know, coming from Cuba to the United States, you know, when we arrived in Miami in 61, they were trying to avoid what eventually did happen, which is the Cubans taking over. You know, Miami was a sleepy little town, you know, tourism in Miami Beach. and that's about it.

You know, no real industry except for building yachts. You know, that's about it. And so here comes these Cubans. All of a sudden, it's like,

holy shit. How are we going to, you know, hire these people? There's no jobs. You know, that's how we got relocated to West New York,

you know? And we became basically undesirables, you know, so I was in the undesirable. And I tell you, were the original Syrians. Yeah,

you know, we were undesirable because we were Cuban refugees and then we were I was undesirable because I was a fat little kid in the 60s, and just all alone, I was undesirable, so I was emotionally really beat up, you know, until I started playing music. And, you know, coming from Cuba, you know, people ask me about politics, and I go, you know what, politics, when I was a kid, completely let me down.

First of all, you had, you know, we were, you know, this, I was about 11 years old by the time we left Cuba. And so, you know, at 11, you know what's going on. You know, you see this revolution that just happened and this guy comes on TV and starts making all these promises. And before you know, things get really fucked up. And my family has to leave the country and take us. So that was my first real, you know, downer or, you know, about politics. You know, so we get to the United States and things are really cool politics-wise. We got Kennedy and he's really a good, you know, good president and the country loved him.

And he gets shot. Oh, that's sucking. You know, there's no stability. Nothing. There's nothing here to protect you. You know, politicians are not going to protect you. Government is not going to protect you. My mom and dad, they're doing their best to take care of me.

But this is all unstable because even so, you know, somebody that you're rooting for, somebody you really appreciate that's doing something for the country, they could be snuffed any moment now. You know, it just happened. You know, or this guy can come in and make a bunch of promises and turn out to be a liar, you know, and you got to leave the country. It wasn't until the Beatles came in. That was my salvation.

It gave me hope, life. All of a sudden, we got music. You know, music has never let me down. I might have let music down I could have maybe a certain part of my life I didn't devote myself enough to the craft of music but it's always been there

I got no beef with music music let me down one time when I went to see Black Sivey with Dio Sammy Hagar was opening up for Shaken Street I was never so let down in my life you understand me that was one of the worst shows of my life I love Dio with Black Sabbath.

Yeah, Ronnie was... No, I love Dio with Black Sabbath. Yeah, yeah. But, you know, it's just once I devoted my... And say, okay, this is what I wanted to. You know, I came to L.A. and I burned my ship. It was... I didn't have any plan B.

I was going to do what I am doing. It wasn't like, well, if it... You know, if it doesn't happen, I'm going to be a shoe salesman or whatever. No. No, I mean, and it was a religious experience for me to actually... get that call from Ozzy, you know, that changed my life, you know, to do what I'm doing today. Because I bring everything else that I've done for the last since 1981 to that moment. That's the moment that it happened, changed my life, you know.

And even though I have made peace with God and everything, there was no plan B. You know, that was it. I was sleeping on the floor, and I got that phone call. It wasn't like, well, you know, meanwhile, selling shoes at Pelaus or whatever. No, I wasn't. I was going to be a musician and that's it. I was a starving musician.

You would stop me in the street and say, hey, dude, what are you? What do you do? I am a musician. You know, to me it just starts with that pre-visualization. I am. I am this. You know, without that, you just don't have any platform

to really stand on for what you believe or you believe that you can be someday. Listen, Rudy, I told you I had the same problem. When I came here, this was it. This was it. This was it. If something good didn't happen,

I was going to go stab my uncle and get on a plane and go to New York and try to sell drugs. That's it. That was it. There was no plan B. I was out of Plan B's. I was out of Plan B's, Jack. You know, I was 28, maybe.

When did I get into comedy, 91? So I was 28 years old. I already went to prison. I already sold drugs. I worked for a printer. I did everything. This was the last ray, I hope. And it took me two years just to get to understand the magnitude of what I was getting myself into.

You know what I'm saying? Like, I thought you went up on stage. Somebody walked in and saw you. You got an HBO special. You were a comedian. That's it. I didn't know that you had to write jokes and stuff. I thought, when all those specials,

you see. I thought somebody would just call you that morning and go, what are you doing tonight? Come on down, run a camera, come and do 40 minutes. That's what I thought it really was. And then I realized what the parameters were, how hard you had to work. And again, you have another decision to make, correct? When you realize, when you joined Ozzy, when you joined Quiet Riot and you started rocking and rolling, this was a long step from you guys in the garage, dicking around, smoking three joints, playing come together. or a health or scalter, do you know what I'm saying? Yeah.

This ain't health of the skeleton no more. That guy in the corner, that's a Jew. And he answers to another string of fucking Jews. And they're here watching you, so you make songs that sell money because that's how you coexist. That's how, you know, it's a different game. Yeah.

You've come a long way since that garage. Yeah. For me, it was the same thing. I was doing, I was following line dance classes on a Sunday night at a country western bar, bombing on stage. No, and Boulder and in Denver. I was doing comedy, and that's

why I started. And next thing you know, I'm in the 2000 seat theater, opening up for Joe Rogan, you know, opening up for Paul Mooney, opening up for Eddie Griffin, you know, opening up for dice in Vegas. You know, I went from the one extreme to the next, and now you're like, wait a second. But there's a big moment where you have that doubt. Did you ever have that doubt at all?

Were you like, this is what it's going to take? because when you joined when you were already in Ozzy you had already a little bit of taste of fame from Quiet Wright Not really, no No no no locally only locally And that's you know

That's not going to get you anywhere You know You're just a local big fish In a small pond You know And the pond was getting bigger And drying up Because at that time

That I got the call from Ozzy It was all about New Way from Punk here in Los Angeles. It wasn't about rock and roll. You know, rock and roll as we know it or became in the 80s. You know, you have bands like Maudley Crew and Rad and

and Doc and just playing locally or you know, trying to get that break, you know. You know, it was a whole different LA, but it's really interesting that you said, you said the same premise. When I came here, and I think that's what L.A. is. L.A. is the place where if you've got a dream, this is where you come to.

You know, you don't go to Fargo to fulfill your dream unless you're a farmer, you know. You come here. So this is what really separates L.A. from, makes it different from the rest of the country. You know, this is a, it plays where winners and losers all come here for that shot, that one shot, man. This is it. This is a bigger gambling city than Las Vegas because you're gambling with your life, your future here. You could lose your money at a table and still make the money again. But to lose your life, to lose your future, who you are, not to really accomplish your dreams.

That's the biggest loss you could ever have. Ever. Not to. What was the word in you just used? Accomplished dreams. Not to even accomplish your dreams, but not even to go for them. That was my biggest fear. My biggest fear was going, fuck.

I had the opportunity to really go down there to it. But at least you had a dream. You know how many people I know that don't have a dream. Don't have a dream. They're just happy with, you know, God bless them because we need everything of, you know, we need everybody to be different things. But that wasn't us. that wasn't you, that wasn't me.

That wasn't the people that have come to L.A. to make it, you know. And I know people in L.A. that came here to be musicians. You know, they happened to arrive at the time where the music industry was shutting down, but they have no choice. They came here. And they actually became bigger successes in fields outside of being a musician. I got personal friends of mine who are like, huge industry people that you talk to them and say well yeah I came here to L.A.

trying to you know get in the ban and and do this and they fail at that but boy they're like the biggest in their field that is that is well that's always a blessing look at Lee came here to be an editor the day he called me he was going to apply the pizza place and he didn't show up and somewhere else a fundraising thing for like a democratic or like just a political fundraiser on the phone I was applying the second jobs because I wasn't making enough to survive. We started making videos for 100 a week. That's it.

I'll shoot a video. You edit it. We would talk about different things, but if he never would have contacted me, he would have been back in Boston today. Just making the effort sometimes. Yeah, absolutely. What had happened if he would have gone back to Boston? I started a podcast,

And you would have been listening to it now going. I wish I would have fucking contacted him. Yeah, I mean, and that's... You know, that was always my biggest fear, but I... How much thought did you guys put into coming here? Because everything... I think one of my biggest issues in life is overthinking things. And I notice when I just do things off of a random whim,

I mean, not always, but they tend to go okay. It tends to go better than I thought it would. So, like, I was just in an office. Like, they kept me working for the summer. because they were very nice. They loved me. So they were just like, we'll keep you here.

There's nothing for really you for to do. So I was just hanging out on Facebook trying to be, like, look like I was busy. So I would do some things and then I just wrote you a message randomly. Everybody growing up

wants to do the right thing. You know, we all want to do the right thing. You know what I'm saying? I think the day I made the decision to become a comedian. I let everything go.

That was the day. I stopped thinking about things. That was a day I stopped worrying about bills. That was the day I stopped worrying about what day it was. It doesn't really matter. You have a mission to do. Shut the fuck up. Get up.

Go do it. And that's it. That was the day you, it's a horrible fucking thing. Because you have to suck 20,000 dicks. A woman has to suck 20,000 dicks before she finds a prince. What do you think we do as men? We got to suck 2,000 dicks. We got to work construction, work this, work that, until we figure out what we want to fucking do.

But once you do it and you think about it for maybe a day and you decide to give it a try and you stop thinking, you just do. Thinking is the enemy of man. It's the destructive of man. Once you get thought, and once you start giving yourself obstacles, what if I do lose, you just lost? Yeah, absolutely. You just lost. Yeah. What if I did?

Well, if I try it and I don't like it. Okay. You know what? Yeah. You just said the word. If I try it, I don't like it. You're already committed out of it. You're out of there in three weeks.

Just because you said that. Just because you allowed your mind to go there. You just quit already three weeks from now. It's going to last three weeks. It's going to last three weeks. I think when I came to L.A., I had nothing to lose. I had nowhere to fucking go. I was just a comment.

I ended up in Seattle with a stripper. And I thought the goal of coming. Coming to LA meant you had to be the best of the best of the best in your field. And it didn't mean that. Just coming here makes you a better person in a way. Absolutely. It lifts your level. And then once you get here, it's like anything else.

You adapt and adjust, is that the word? And you fucking run with the ball like you know what you're doing, even though you don't. That was what it was for me. I ran with the ball even though I did not know what was going on. you know how much I used to torture Ritchie Super in 1998. That's another success story. He used to fucking hate me because I knock on his door every time I was at that office and go, when he's going to put me on the road, dog, and you missed it last night.

I killed. And he would go, just because you killed, don't mean you're fucking going to be a success. Now get the fuck out of here, kid. I would leave him alone. You know, and yeah, you're right. Now he's got to be a company. Now he's got to fucking beer company, you know. You never know until you wake the fuck up.

out of bed and do something with your life. That's it. That's what I say, just get up. Just get up, bro. Get up and get out. You might be walking and bump into a fucking CD,

a CB radio salesman. And he talks you into becoming a CB radio salesman. Where's the CB? They don't want to use the CB no more. But there's got to be 3,000 people who are still stuck in the CB, and you find all of them and sell them new CBs. Every, you know,

every fucking seat has an ass. when I used to sell cars I'd go look at that fucking green car who's gonna buy that and I had an old car manager that we go every seat's got an ass kid somebody will come in here and buy

and a week later somebody would they would be one man's chicken is another man's gumbo dog it might be an ugly car to you but there's some guy wow a green car

I want that fucking thing yeah yeah I just want to go back to one thing you mentioned before which it was the letting go factor to me that that was the key to me

as soon as I let it go it's just just poured just let it go let it let it happen you know what I mean it's like don't like you said don't don't defeat yourself

by having the negative thought that it's not going to happen don't even worry about it it's going to happen you know if you look at if you go back a hundred years Los Angeles Los Angeles, it's a place that has been built upon people that came here with a dream. You know, going back to the silent era.

You know, like all these men and women that want to be part of the silent movies. And then, you know, you got radio television. And then finally, you know, eventually music became a part of it. You know, so this is generations of dreamers. Dreamers, even if you were like, you know, my wife, she is not in the... entertainment industry but her word her dad came to a to LA you know from the Midwest because he wanted to be a guitar player you wanted to be a musician you know so it's it's generations of dreamers that make up this whole this whole area this whole place this is one of the most unique

unique environments in the whole world I never thought about that way I think of my parents leaving Cuba yeah before the revolution they knew something that maybe yeah they left like my dad left him like 52 or something he was a young kid he goes fuck this shit you know he did

what most people did they just left after high school they just got up and they said fuck this I've had enough of this island living Gilligan still hasn't showed and shit yeah yeah so what do you got coming up more shows with with the guess who

we have an album coming out Let's see Rock and Rolla Fantasy Camp September with Judas Priest A whole bunch of stuff You're a fucking savage You know man This is a Monday morning podcast

And I think Just the last 15 minutes of this podcast Was so strong for Monday morning About like Where it all starts with your mind People don't really believe that shit But it's true Rudy for me

It started when I said I'm getting into comedy I don't give a fuck about my credit bureau I don't give a fuck about the credit card people I don't give a fuck about the banks I don't give a fuck about what I drive I don't give a fuck about what my clothes on because at the end it doesn't really matter

unless you're happy for years I worried about my job and I got to have white sneakers or not I got to have a black shirt on it who gives a fuck at the end of the day I wasn't happy I wasn't happy I didn't get happy until I started driving cross-country with a pair of shorts on and stinky sneakers and a t-shirt and you got three pair of jeans and three shirts and they're lasting you all week dog you got like

four pair of socks and you get on the stage you get that's when I really started getting happy when I started waking up in the morning and knew I had to drive 200 miles and I had 32 50 in quarters and I had to get lunch with that reefer and gas to get me to that next location for some reason I'd be fucking A lot happier than making $1,200 a week and paying my bills. I was like, this is what I like. I like this. So it's food for thought. Sometimes it's not about the money or the dollars.

It's about what brings a fucking smile to your face, you know. Finding the joy in whatever you do in life, you know, whatever you choose, whatever your dream is. You know, it's got to be joyful. And once you find it, let yourself go. Don't think about it. Don't look back. Don't compare prices. Don't listen to your uncle about taking that roofing job for $1.50 for stability.

You know what? Stability's overrated, dog. Stability's overrated. Absolutely. I think happiness is fucking doing what you want to the fucking health. And even if you broke, I was in comedy for, I was in comedy for 12 years before I saw a dime. Yeah, well, you were getting pain, but nothing to write home about. I could have quit at any time in those 12 years.

and found a job. I would have tricked somebody into being an indoor salesman. I didn't want to do that. I would have rather live on $8,000 a year and do my own thing and fuck around at night and smoke pot with your stupid buddies and get on stage than going to an office. Insurance, who gives a fuck? When you think about insurance, that's when you need insurance.

For 30 years, I ran around with no insurance. Nothing ever happened to me. Once I got insurance, that's when I started getting cut and two takes and fuck, and hemorrhoids and your asshole hurts and shit when you have no insurance and you're not worried about it you're fine nothing happens to you and others that shit yeah I mean

it's just like you went through your own journey you know mine was after Randy died I just lost all the joy of playing you know because every night we have to go on stage and it was a reminder of the tragedy you know and I actually

left Ozzy to join Quiet Riot which was the big is unknown. You know, like nobody in LA believed in the band. We had like, you know, a really bad record deal, but at least it was our record deal. And, but we couldn't even get management. We had to beg people to manage us.

And, you know, it was like, these guys are, you know. But as soon as I got my butt on the first few shows that we did, we rented a station wagon. We drove up to San Francisco to play at the Keystones up there. And the joy of music came back. I had just left one of the biggest bands in the world. Here I am playing with my buddy, basically at garage band level, you know, driving around on a station wagon.

But I was happy again. Now, what did it come out, hear the noise and all that come out? Well, I mean, it came out on the radio, but, you know, that... No, what year? Well, it's 83. So, okay, so you had that success with them? No, with Ozzy first. Right, with Ozzy first.

Then quiet right. Now, what's the record that you guys have? You guys have, it's the number one heavy metal album. Yeah, well, you know, it was actually the first debut metal album to reach number one. Okay, there's some accolade because I saw it on. Yeah, and this is during the time where to go to number one, you had to sell about a million copies a week. You know, so it's a lot of records. I mean, you know, like today, you know, like all these people who are getting Grammy awards and whatever,

They won't even, you know, sell a million in a year, you know, which is because, you know, of downloading and, you know, illegal downloading and everything that goes on, you know. I mean, basically nowadays, you make a record so you can go to a promoter and say, hey, you know, I got a brand new record, you know, give me some shows. Back in the day was you, you did the shows to promote the record.

Now you do a record to promote the shows. You don't make any money on records. Nobody does. And we're trying to find, like, that's why we do meet and greets. You know, VIP meeting greets, you know, because it kind of like covers the cost of whatever touring cost we get, you know, compensated and sold merchandise and stuff like that. I can catch Stevens, $300 at the Beacon Theater in New York City.

The prices for the tickets are outrageous, but people have to know because there's no more record sales. Yeah. There's only one band that's going to make. money this year. That's guns and roses. If they release a studio record, that was the rumor early

on. Yeah, but even the Stones, the Stones released one this year, I don't know anybody who's bought the record. It's a Stone's record. Come on. It was like, you know, as soon as the, back in the day, you and I the, you know, just get it, you know. It was automatic.

It's a different fucking game on there, brother. Sure is. Always a pleasure. A pleasure You know, I love you to death. Like I said, I got no fucking dates to promote. It's Labor Day. This podcast is for you.

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