The Church of What's Happening Now: The New Testament - #564 - Big John McCarthy

Episode Date: March 5, 2018

Big John McCarthy, currently the newest Bellator MMA color commentator, a combat sports referee who has officiated countless UFC fights, and a veteran of the LAPD, joins Joey Diaz and Lee Syatt LIVE in studio. This podcast is brought to you by: Burger King - The new Spicy Crispy Chicken Sandwich is part of the 2 for $6 deal, only at Burger King.  Square Space - Go to squarespace.com and use promo code "church' for 10% off of your first purchase of a website or domain.  Onnit.com. Use Promo code CHURCH for a 10% discount at checkout  

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Grab your cock, sniff your fingers. We're going deep this week. The rent is due. A child grows up to be. Oh shit. Somebody that just loves to learn And another child grows up to be Somebody you just love to burn her

Mom loves the bulls of them You see it's in the blood It's in the fucking blood Both kids are good bomb Mud's thicker than the mud It's a family of hell Big John McCartee, the Christ killer.

It's a fucking party on a Monday morning. Oh shit, Big John in the house. What up, brother? I can't call it. Another great weekend in paradise here in Los Angeles. Thank you for coming on. Lee Syatt, the man of fucking steel. Took him three days to recover from the mushrooms.

We got fucked up, Lee. We can't keep doing that to each other. I'm too old. I'm sorry. I'm a bad influence. I know. You're a young guy. You got to look after me.

I'm an old man. They're going to mushrooms and shit and fucking edibles. I went to ballet. Ballet? My daughter goes on Wednesday. Okay. So your daughter was doing ballet. Not you.

No, no, no, thank you. Which wouldn't be bad. It's good for your balance and shit. You would see him a male ballet's thighs. Oh, yeah, strong as hell. They're fucking, like, there used to be that Yankee that was the Japanese guy.

Remember a couple of years ago there was a Yankee? The pitcher? No, he was like... Oh, Deky Matsui Decky Matsui's fucking legs The muscles, you would see the muscles Come through baseball pants That's pretty intense

When you see that V? Oh, yeah That's the V you have to You're like 22 It just, it goes away Matt Sui had that V at fucking 35 still What's up, brother? Dude, I'm just

Look at shit's chilling Out of the referee game You have to put up with that shit no more Fucking Uh Fucking replays And knees to the fucking replays knees to the fucking head.

You don't got to deal with this shit no more. You're Bellator. You got a nice job. You're flying the night before. Do you have to do the way in? You know, I'm actually at the fight a lot sooner now than I was when I was refereeing because when I was refereeing,

sometimes I come in day of the show. And now I come in. If it's a fight on a Friday, I'm coming in on a Tuesday. I'm doing work. Do fighter meetings and things on Wednesdays. Do production meetings and stuff on the Thursdays. Do another freaking rehearsal on Friday

and do the, show on Friday so pretty interesting thing you said before the podcast started you're 55 and you're on your third career that's exactly it's you know when you look back at things and you go how the fuck did I get here you know that I started off man I was a dumb thug and bouncer you know I bounced for to make money and then I ended up you know getting on LAPD and that was a good career and I made a good career out of it I was happy with it I met a lot of good people got to you know, do things that were fun. And then the reffing with, you know,

MMA just became something, just got bigger and bigger and better. I did that for 25 years, you know, 24. And now it's, you know, I get another chance to have another career, you know, still working in MMA, which I love, you know, I will always love. It's a passion of mine. But I'm a lucky dude.

I am fucking lucky. Good for you. Yeah, you made 20 years and, 25 years as a police officer, that's a tough gig. No. You leave the house, you don't know what the fuck. Dude, I could not do it now. Under the parameters and things that they do now, I'd have gotten fired.

I got to ask you a question off base here. Yeah. Did you know Charlie Beck? Yeah, very well. In fact, when I came off probation, I went to Southwest Division. Charlie Beck was my sergeant. How cool was he? Actually, he was a good guy then.

He was, you know, he was big into racing dirt bike motorcycles. He was into motocross. And so, you know, it was something I did as a kid. for a long time. So, you know, we would talk about that. He was a nice guy. He actually had a, his father was really, you know, big on the LAPD before. He was a commander on the LAPD. And so that's all I knew of him and stuff. And then, you know, he went his way and I went mine and he became the chief. Now, I would bet, you know, the new chief that's coming up, one of my classmates, Beatrice Grimala, is up for that job. And I'd be surprised that she didn't get it. So she wiped.

black she's white but you know what smart girl was always uh dedicated towards being a police she's crazy about certain things you know but a climber she was definitely not like me i you know i was one of the dumb grunts i liked being just the street guy or the guy that was teaching and stuff that you know i enjoyed that i didn't ever want to be the supervisor i didn't want to be the guy going around writing paper on people so i never climbed i want to meet charlie back you want to meet you how about if i get him on your podcast man you know what i like him but i want to talk to him man to man like about police issues like I really

like him a lot but I don't like his eyes I like his face I don't I fucking hate when he has to make a statement and he's contradicting himself I want to pull him aside and go Charlie can I talk to him That's who is Charlie Beck? That's called politics he's the police captain

She's the chief of police for L.A. for the last eight years And I like everything about him with this Like I like to go to his office one day As an ex-criminal. I go Charlie Let me tell you what the fuck I see on the street that you guys are doing wrong, that you're, what you're focusing on. Talk to me. I want to hear it. Let's hear it.

What he's focusing on and what he should be doing are two different things. Lee and I, about two years ago, I was having surgery or something, and Lee was kind enough to drive. It was a fucking Monday morning. Bumper to bumper traffic. By the time we get there, you know who's causing the traffic? A fucking cop. Now, on a Monday morning, please do me a favor. All right, you have a call.

But why do you have to park sideways like this into the fucking street to make people going around you into one lane on a Friday? And when you got there, they were talking to a homeless guy. I could see if they were in pursuit of 187, you know, a gang member. It's shit like that, that, you know. It's called common sense. Common sense. And you can't give it.

Look, it's the one thing that I learned, man. You know, when I was at the, you know, when I was at the, end of my career I was teaching up at the academy and I would have 50 people in a class 50 people and 35 of them would have a degree and I mean a degree from a B.A. BS to an MBA to certain people that had PhDs becoming police officers. All right. About 15 of them would be either a military background or they were just high school, you know, educated. But, man, the one thing I learned is I don't give a goddamn how much education you have. If you don't have common sense, you're an idiot.

And these people did not have the ability to make decisions. They could have this great educational background. But to make a decision now, they could not do it because they were growing up in a time that was different than when you and I did. Think about when you were young, man, you were going out on the streets. seven o'clock in the morning you were out the door boom you're going down to whoever stevie's house whatever it was vinny's house and you're out doing things you're out making decisions and those decisions most of the time were stupid as hell but you made him and then you paid the consequence for him at times you know and i did the same thing but through that we learned we learned how to make

decisions and we knew you know what this is a really stupid fucking decision but this is what i want to do and when you got smacked for it, you go, I deserved it. It wasn't other people making decisions for you. You knew when you were supposed to be, when your mom told you, I want you home at, you knew you were getting your ass there at that time. Or you had consequences. And these people have grown up nowadays. They're growing up.

They don't make any decisions. Their mommies and daddies take them when they're going to play. They have a play date. They have someone that's watching them the whole time because we have this idea. that the world is so much more dangerous now than it was when we were growing up, when, no, it's just more out in the media. There's more social aspects to it. There's still the same number of pedophiles out there.

We had the same number of pedophiles back in the frickin' 70s. They just weren't on TV in the same context. But we were making decisions, and those decisions have now formed who you are as a person at 55. And you can make decisions now. You make decisions as far as, hey, that's a stupid. way of going. I'm going to go about doing this this way. And I learned through, it doesn't matter what your educational background is. You have got to start making decisions as a kid. Play is something that we need our kids to play without parents interfering because in play, they make decisions.

They're learning. That's a good part of what they need to do to make themselves successful when they become adults. And we don't let that happen. And it shows. And it shows just like what you say. And you got someone pulling over a homeless person. person parking their freaking car in the middle street, on a Monday morning during one shower. Same thing. I feel that because of the media, the police and society

have put a distance between themselves. When I was younger, even though I was a criminal, I had constant contact with police. Constant because you had guys on footbeat where you were at, man. The footbeat. I had footbeat and, like I was telling him a story, when I was

growing up, there was a cop. in Jersey it looked like Phil Sims and he had the beat by the high school and I had a friend that bet the Giants one day and Phil Sims fucked up the game so he just hated that cop on principal and he would get drunk and look at Phil Sims and go without that badge and that fucking gun I fuck you up this went on for years from the time the kid was 16 and then one time when we were like 17 my friend got into a fight and Phil Sims actually brought him home and he you know Phil Sims was telling his dad what he did and he opened up the window

And he's like, Dad, fuck him. I'll fucking fight him right now. Tell him to drop the gun. Phil Sims is a pussy. But it didn't matter. We had a relationship with Phil. Yep. I tried to walk in.

Six months ago, I had an idea. I have a child now. You know, I'm concerned about different things. Kids don't play on the street. I went over there at Starbucks, meet a cop day at Starbucks. So I went down and I started asking a person, the cop, is there no PAL around here?

They looked at me like I was a fucking Martian. And they go, what's the PAL? The PAL is a building that every town has that the cops fucking go there when they're off duty and they communicate with kids and they have a PAL boxing league and they had a PAL baseball league. You could go to PAL is how I learned how to shoot a gun in New York. It's how I learned how they shoot pool. They did all these things. They took you swimming.

That gave the chance for kids to meet these cops and build a bond. You were never in trouble because the PAL was right there. We're taking off things now from law enforcement that were so effective in the 70s, like the beat cop. There's a beat cop that would walk from fucking Riverside and Lancash him all the way up to where the movie theater, where the train station is. Right. There's two of them, one from eight to four and one from four to 12.

And he stops in, he's caught, and you get to meet him lead. This is a different society. you know the biggest deterrent to crime is a cop with a uniform on that's the big if I'm a criminal and I know there's a beat cop that's a deterrent I'm not gonna walk now there's two types of beat cops when I was growing up there were the beat cops that they wouldn't arrest you they knew your mother and they knew your father they threw a fucking beating on you they backhand you and there's nothing you you wouldn't tell your mom Big John hit you. Because then she called Big John and find out exactly what the fuck you did. So Big John had a relationship. Like Big John man this area. If we broke a window, Big John will come over and go, I'm not going to arrest you guys.

But come on, cross the street, go over to Mrs. McCarthy's house, cut a deal. How are you going to pay it back? It was more community involved, the police. We don't have this no more. And so right now as Americans, we watch TV and all we see is negativity from the police department. They shot a black kid. They shot this guy. They shot a woman in the head who had three kids. We weren't there. We don't know what the fuck's happening. But because the police has distanced themselves from us, we've lost trust in them in a way in this society. Are they busier now?

Is there a reason why they're stopping than not doing all these programs? No, if you look at, just take a look at the city of Los Angeles. City of Los Angeles is 487 square miles. And back when I first came on, it had 6,300 police officers. Now you figure how many of them are working on us, because you got certain ones that are working, you know, different special units and things like that, but division-wise, we had 18 divisions. You've got three shifts on each of those divisions. You can figure out, on a given time, out on the streets of Los Angeles, you probably

had 150 to 500 officers at the most at any given time. and you look at the distance they have to travel. They put them in cars because that was the way to get things done fast because that was the easiest way to get the officers from one section to another. And they took away that whole footbeat and took away the ability for the officers to actually have interactions with the community that were not bad. Because when you look at, you know, when do you see the police officers? Well, I get these lights coming up behind me and they're pulling me over because now they're going to say that I ran a red light or I'm speeding or whatever it is. It's a negative contact. Or I'm calling them because somebody went and did something.

They broke into my car, broke into my home, and I got screwed over by them taking my stuff. And so I'm calling them. And so again, it's a negative situation that they're coming into. And I'm not happy to see them because they're not doing me any good because they're not going to get me my stuff back. And so every time now, for the most part, it's a negative contact that's occurring instead of that positivity that was there when you had officers that were able to go into the community and talk with, you know, just the citizens, go, you know, house to house, business to business, and they knew. They knew that, you know, Bob works the shift from here, and they knew that Bob would be there at a certain time. They knew Bob would take care of a problem if they had a problem. and that's the old style that you were used to, you know, growing up, it doesn't happen anymore.

It's even even if he watched Dirty Harry, when he walks out, he comes back and he goes, I've been coming here for 12 years. Susan knows I drink my coffee black. She's waiting on me every year. His sugar all through him, remember? She kept pouring his sugar. She got like, and he knew there was something up because he went there every fucking day. Even the community knows when you're coming.

So before I would steal when I was a kid, I knew what the cop was on the beat and what. Like I remember one night breaking into a house that I had broken into three times when I was 16 and one year. And the cop lived right on the corner. And at four in the morning, the first time I got in there, he had no alarm. The second time I got in there, he had no alarm.

But the third time, he had a fucking laser alarm. And this motherfucker, I'm like, So I go in, the alarm goes off, and I run to my buddy's house, and I go, dog, I got to get home, and the cops are going to be there. Let me your girlfriend, because she lives in that neighbor. Let her walk me home, and then she could walk home, and we'll say, we'll walk him, that we were all together. I'll never forget walking back with her, and that cop was with his underwear with a robe outside, talking to another cop. And he looked at him, he goes, you break into that fucking house again, cock sucker? You know, I told you one time we would talk to,

when we graduated high school, we got into this pattern that we would go out at night and fuck with people. Like if we were drinking in that parking lot and somebody would come over and go, do you guys have a light? We'd start talking to them. And if it was four of us, we'd go,

you know, you'd look, I'm kind of cute tonight. If it was a guy and he'd go, what are you guys gay? We'd want to suck your dick. We'd like, say shit to him. until he left. And one night, we're telling this guy, you know what, you look fucking great tonight. We want to suck your dick.

And the cop is going by. And he's like, officers, these young guys, they want to rape me. They want to suck my dick. The cop took a report from him or something. He goes, you stay right here. And he walked over to his. He goes, let me ask you guys something.

I need this in my fucking life. He goes, I need this. He goes, do me in favor. He goes, it's a quarter to 12. I'm just going to drop this guy off here. After 12, after I sign out of this shit, if you want to take him, Take him in the park and fuck him and you ask, that's on you.

But until 12 o'clock, don't bother. Don't fucking touch him. Don't touch until 12. Or take them across the street because it became a different jurisdiction. The cops knew us. Yeah. The cops knew us since kids that made you think twice about doing something that made you, you know, it get embarrassed you in a way.

If I get busted, he's going to see I got busted. He was my baseball coach. The cops were more involved. I was pissed. When I went to that police station and talked to them after I went to visit the cop day at Starbucks, and I asked them, I said, they're like, come down. They treated me like I was a fucking Martian at that North Hollywood station. Wow. That is what is absolutely ridiculous.

Ridiculous. Just totally, completely. It's like the police should be working to get people to want to know who they are, have them know who they are, and to be part of the community because look it, you know, everything that I did as a police officer, I was helped so many times by people in the community, little old ladies that would sit there and someone would say, oh, you know, I beat him up or something like that. And she would go, oh, no, no, no. I saw it all.

And she's the one that kept me from getting in trouble because it was my word against his word. Now, did I beat his ass? Yeah, I did. But there was a reason. He went and tried to do something to me. And that little old lady would, no, no, no, I saw, they, he hit him first. And so it took care of things. And that was because, you know, you would go, hey, take the time instead of getting back in the car and getting on the stupid computer and going from one call the next, take the time to start talking to people.

Talk to the people in the community. Hey, has everything going. You're doing okay. You have any problems? Because all people want, I don't give a damn where it's at. Everywhere I've been in this world, most people just want to. Work their jobs, take care of their families, and be left alone. And I mean left alone from the bad guys and left alone from the police, too, as far as they don't want to be stopped.

They don't want any of that. It's all the same, man. Start to get to know people. You'll have a lot easier time with your job. I learned how to deal. Like, I've never, ever, ever had a beef with a police officer. Oh, I have. No, no.

Just because of my relationship with cops as I was growing up, The guy that adopted me was kind of a, he was a detective. He was a rogue detective. He was the mayor's driver, which meant he could do whatever the fuck you wanted. So, you know, one of my best friends growing up was a cop. Plus, when I was a kid, I saw how my mom's bookmaking operation, how the cop bookmaking was considered. It's nothing.

The cops would even come in and place bets. Do you think? They were coming and placed their numbers bets. They were Spanish. had the same thing. So I always knew when they come in to raid the numbers thing, they would sit us on the couch, do their thing. My mom would offer them a drink.

It was fucking hilarious. Now they come in with guns drawn and guns again, you know, in the old day, thump, something I got a warrant. Everybody knew what time was. Sit on the couch. We don't look around for an hour. Go through your papers. They go through your fucking papers.

But so I always, I never, I was such a good criminal at one time. That was such a good criminal. It was such a good fucking criminal. That's why I ended up in prison. No, but I was such a good criminal. No, no. I mean, such a well-behaved criminal. Okay.

When I was around police, that one time I got arrested, and I had a warrant somewhere else, and the cop picked me up, and I talked them into stopping at a Chinese restaurant. And he told me, he goes, I can't believe you're eating this shit. And I go, why? And he goes, because we did a stakeout once in there. And when the lights were not, we could hear the rats. They were like, people walking. He goes, I wouldn't eat in there.

But that's how good of a criminal I always was. like I was always at least polite. I never, ever, ever had a problem with cops, ever. Even when I got arrested, I'd just keep my mouth shut, put my hands back, get in the car. What he said, nothing. Keep your fucking mouth shut.

You know, if he's nice, you're nice. I never, ever, even when I went through the system, nothing. Nothing. Never had a beat for the fucking cop. I don't know if this is everywhere, but a couple years ago I was driving, through like the canyons cold water and I had a cop because Google Maps just told me to go straight

and I noticed as you're going it's like between this time and this time we can't go down here without having a pass this cop pulled like three people over he wasn't even in a car he just had like an LAPD jacket on and pointed out as to pull over and it's like don't come down here again and I found out later that it's just like it's an area for rich like it's where the rich people live and they I don't know I was I was wondering I always wondered if it was like some sort of detail like how that world like that's like so that's the sort of stuff that would upset me about cops is like stuff where it feels like it's not fair or they're doing stuff that but isn't like police work like that he was he threatened to give everyone a ticket for going down that what he was on cold

water oh there was he can't give you a ticket for going down a public street and that's and that's why i thought it was a scam because he all he he he didn't have a police his police car was pulled over and he just had an l-a-pd jacket on so i thought like the neighborhood hired the comp or something. You know, what certain streets can do is they can actually become private streets. And they can, you'll see they'll put barriers up and they'll put speed bumps inside. And that's because the people there do have money. And they've said they will take over and they pay a certain amount to do things as far as

putting in those things. And they'll hire, you know, security or something like that. And it could be an off-duty police officer. But until that sucker has a barrier up, I'm driving where the hell I want on the public street. And that's like the confidence that you have because me, like Joe, I'm probably even more polite than Joey just because I'm terrified. Well, I don't want to get. I'm polite to it. Look at the one of the things that's so funny.

I used to do all kinds of stuff with taking people that were anti-police, and that's okay. You know, I understand it. Everyone grows up differently. and you can have bad incidents, you know, a bad incident happened in your life that makes you feel a certain way about police officers. But I had people that would, you know, they were in groups that, you know, protest against police officers, stuff. And they actually came up to the academy because they're talking about police officers shooting people and why and there should never be any reasons. And I would put them through scenarios. And I would, I would explain, I would put them through training that we would actually do for police officers.

and put them through scenarios and say, okay, I want you to, you're the police officer and you're going to deal with this. And they always, always shot someone they should not shoot, okay,

because they got scared, or they were killed multiple times because they weren't going to shoot and they were just killed by someone coming out, just making them look at it. And they're going to, well, what are I said,

you're supposed to be the person that is here to protect the public. When you have that person who's a deadly threat to, oh, you need to do this job, right? And I'd put them back through the same scenario and they would screw it up completely. And finally they get to the point of, I don't know what to do.

Really? It's not that easy, is it? Okay, there's decisions to be made. But the one thing that, you know, I don't care who it was, you can tell people, look at, one of the biggest problems that we have between citizens and police officers is mouths. Be it the police officer's mouth or the citizen's mouth. And if you get stopped by the police, okay, if I get stopped by the police, my hands are on the steering wheel, okay? I roll down the window before they come up and my hands stay on the steering wheel and I say,

hello, officer, how you doing? Right? And they're going to sit there and say, do you know whatever it was? No, I didn't. You know, license and registration. Okay, my license is in my back pocket, in my wallet, and my registration is in that glove box. And they're going to tell me, go ahead and reach for it. And I reach for it.

I get them and I give them to them. Sir, just wait right here. And they go off. You know, the first week I was in Vegas, the first week I lived in Vegas, I got pulled over for speeding. And this is exactly what happens. And then, you know, he comes up and he's got a ticket for me. And he says, you know, sir, you know, you can appear on such and such date.

Yes, sir. He says, I need you to sign here. This is, you know, not stating guilt. And I signed the ticket. And I hand a ticket. He gives me the ticket and I leave. Now, am I happy I got a ticket? No.

But I am never in fear of the officer doing something. that is going to hurt me if I don't give them anything to fear in return. It's when I start to not comply. Why is it that I'm not complying? If you're the police officer and you make this stop on this car that's speeding, all you know is that you have someone that's speeding. But the person in the car could have been someone that just committed a robbery, just committed a rape, just committed some type of.

crime. And when they get stopped by the police officer in their mind, why did the police officer stop them for speed? Or do they know what I just did? Because you're always wondering, what does the officer know? And that's the problem. Because now if you are that person that did the crime, you're trying to weasel your way out of trying to get certain indications and say, well, I haven't done anything. And then the officer starts to get more interest in, why are you not just doing the things that I'm asking you to do. And then it leads to more. You as the civilian, if you just comply, you give the license when they ask it, you do that, you never have to worry about ever getting hurt by a police officer. It's when you start going off the rails and deciding,

I want to be confrontational. Congratulations. You just put yourself in a position where possible you could get hurt. It's your choice. I've seen it. I've seen a thousand. in fucking times. And, I mean, like I said, I've been arrested so many times. And I used to laugh with the cops. I'd laugh with them. Like, I'd have them laughing. Next thing, you know, I was in the thing with no handcuffs on

and giggling. Just because I always grew up, believe it or not, with a respect towards cop. Like, I really, I grew up at that P.A.L. when I moved to Jersey, that's all I hung out with was cops. And I knew there were dirty cops and all that. I didn't get in involved.

And I looked at the guys. Like, I used to play basketball with this cop Ray Ernesto. And we used to goof on him. We were 16. He was 30, but he'd always wear colored socks. And it would show Mr. Ernesto. But Mr. Armesto was a fucking great cop. And I remember one night I went out to this party, and my friends made it.

They took all their parents' booze and put it in, like, a garbage container. And with ice, and they put bees in it. We've all done that. That was a mistake. And I drank some of it. And I woke up on Jimmy Sinsulo's front balcony, and it was Mr. Ernesto that woke me up, Coco, you want a ride home?

And he gave me a ride home. And he's like, he can't drink. You know, this is how you feel when you drink. You know, he tried to talk to me. He carried me up to my door. I puke on me and shit. You know, I knew these guys. I knew them growing up, and I had this.

So over the years, I could tell you, 1,000, like, when I got out of prison, I wrote the arresting, officer, the two arresting officers, the judge and the DA a letter, an apology letter. Wow. Okay, and my job was

when I got out of prison to keep in touch with the judge. He gave me a chance. So I didn't want to prove him wrong, so I kept in touch with this judge. I wrote him a letter every 90 days. Whether he fucking read the letter or not. You know? He read the letter. He read the letter.

And then I went in front of him once during my divorce. He was now a civil judge. And nobody remembered. And my ex-wife started saying all this shit. And he goes, time out here. You were the one that was in court three years ago, praising his fucking thing.

Now you're going to come in here and tell me that he's a piece of shit. Get the fuck out of here. Condempt the court. And it was because of that. The one arresting officer, Italian guy, like from Spain, he was involved in little girl murder. In fact, CBS just did a show about a year ago.

About the little girl they murdered in Boulder. Jambane Ramsey, and he was deep in that. He was very nice to me. When I wrote him the letter, I bumped into him like three months later, and he goes, Hey, man, you fucked up and you paid your due for society. The main arresting officer, his name was Colaw. He was just a scumbag. Like, he just didn't see it.

Like, he just, I wrote him a letter. And then when I went to court with my wife, he backed my wife. He showed up with my wife and her new husband. he never really till this day that dude Jimmy Cola was a detective that was involved in the Botafook and John Bonairemsi it was a different guy

this white dude until today if he would have been such a good cop I wouldn't be here because he didn't do the homework on me that dumb motherfucker he didn't do the homework I was sitting there sweating bullets throughout the whole thing

he had made contact with me a year earlier on a complete different case that could have hung me, it could have cost me another 10 years. And I split town. And when I turned myself in, he was now a detective. And the whole time I'm sitting there going, when is this motherfucker going to remember me? And I kept going to preliminary hearings.

And I kept waiting for them to draw up the old case. They never picked up the old case. You know, it's one of those crazy things. It's like, people change. They do. They do change. They do. And you can't, I'm watching this.

There's a thing. It's on CNN. I never watched CNN. But all of a sudden I started getting people calling me and saying, man, I'm seeing your dad on TV. You know, you know, your dad, your dad was part of the, the SLA shootout. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's this whole series on Patricia Hearst that. Yeah, that just came on last week.

Yeah, yeah, the, what they call it the, fuck. Your dad was a cop? Yeah. Oh, yeah. My dad was famous here in L.A. So your dad was in a shootout with those IRA people? People. Oh, with the SLA?

Yeah. Yeah. Now, let me tell you a story. The cop I told you about that, that drove for the mayor, when the feds were ready to this house, they found the machine on that Patty Hurst hat and the robber. That's how deep he was in.

Tanya. Yeah, what was it called? The, uh, something, Federation. Something terrorist of Patty Hurst or whatever it was. I don't know. But, you know, I'm watching that and they got, you know,

I can remember. from my dad. You know, I remember, you know, he brought in the pictures of what, you know, what the people look like after, all kinds of stuff. But I remember Bill and Emily Harris were two of the ones that kidnapped Patty Hurst. You know, there was a Donald DeFries. They called him Sin Q. He was one of the ones that was, you know, Willie Wolf. And six of them died in that shootout. But here is William Harris, Bill Harris, sitting there being interviewed about this whole kidnapping of Patty Hurst and everything that they were doing

and, you know, the, you know, talking about him going and shoplifting at Mel's sporting goods. And when she fired 30 rounds over, you know, his head and stuff. And I'm sitting there and I can remember when I was a kid, that was a bad dude.

Man, he was, you know, he was radical. He was crazy. He was bad. And I'm watching and I'm listening to it. And I'm going, man, time fucking mellows all of us, dude. Because he's not, a bad dude anymore and he's just you know he's just a normal guy who had freaking crazy freaking

radical thoughts back then and now he's an older guy doing PI work and you look and go dude a lot of people change not everybody but a lot of people and you got to let him like people like people accusing Dustin Hoffman of sexual harassment from 1980s that's ridiculous I don't like that shit even if he did it if it happened in 1980 and you had an awakening call him up and go hey Why didn't you say something back in 1980? I feel this way about what happened. I'm not going to call CNN or me too because people change. Yeah.

People really fucking change. And I've seen it. I'm 55. I've seen people make dramatic changes. I've seen myself change. What I feel about now and 20 years ago are two complete different fucking people. Well, that's a very interesting thing you're saying because being the son of a police officer, I wouldn't, like, it wouldn't shock me.

And I wouldn't think poorly of you if you were like, I don't like, I don't like Joey. He went to prison. He was a criminal for, like, like, it's, it's a weird thing. It's like, it's like, it's, I don't think everyone has the ability to understand that people change. Like it's, it would be easy to just be like, no, they don't change. Nah, man, people, look at it. People change. You make mistake.

Who's the person that can actually sit there and go, I've never made a mistake? We all make mistakes. Come on, man. I've made a lot of them. I'm Johnny mistakes. There you go. But the whole thing is, it's like, man, if you make a mistake, be a man, be a stand-up woman, and say, I made a mistake. I understand I made a mistake.

Okay. I'll take my punishment if that's what comes with it. Or I'm going to learn from the mistake. I'm going to learn how not to make that mistake. I'm going to move on. And you've got to do. We all got to move on in our lives. It's just part of the whole process of life is you are going to learn.

going to go through, just like I'm going through my third career, that's a third different stage in my life. And, hey, people change. You've got to give people second chances. That's why I don't, I don't appreciate. I didn't like that part of this whole thing that was going on

that people calling it. When I was 14, you molested me, Chachi. Oh, dude, yeah, Scott Bayo's got that whole thing. Listen, man, if you had a beef, if I see it on paper that you did have a beef and they swept it, That's a different story.

But I watch that thing, and I'm listening to him. He's going on Good Morning America and stuff like that. The girl puts out information saying that she had sex with Scott Bayo long after Charles in charge or whatever the show he had, you know, was off the air. And when she was on the air with him, it ended when she was 17, 18 years old. and she's saying she had sex with him several years afterwards, well, that makes her an adult. I'm not saying that he should have had sex with her.

I'm not saying he's right, but that's not illegal. And she's an adult at that point, and now she's trying to say, no, it happened during the show. And he's saying, tell me when, tell me where. All these people are there. Everyone, you know, this is not like, oh, we have separate time. You are watched by these teachers and all this stuff, and you're looking and you're going,

why are you bringing this up in this fashion? Look, I'm the first person. I do not appreciate someone like Harvey Weinstein who has power over people and utilizes that power to do nasty things, to hurt their lives or to hurt their, you know, their personas and the person that they are by making them feel like if they don't do something that he wants, he's going to take things away from him. that's a nasty individual and he needs to be dealt with. Any, any,

you know, female that was assaulted by him, I feel bad for. I'm sorry. But when you have a situation where you put yourself in that, and now you want to say, well, I was underage.

It's like, why didn't you say something back then? You know? Come on. Nothing drives me crazy in that. And that's what pisses me all about this whole thing that I believe in my head. I've seen people change. Like in front of me,

I've seen people on Facebook. that were crazy, and I was when we were 20 and now, they're popping up with kids and the kids are in college and you got a job. Having kids changes your life. Tell me it doesn't. Yeah, it does. Dude, you talk about funny. I tell you, you know, like Eddie Bravo.

I love Eddie. Eddie's a great guy. And he's a crazy sucker. And then he ends up having a kid, man. Life's about his kid now. Life's about the time he gets to spend with his kid. And what he gets to do. And it's like, look at you, man.

You're a different dude. That's awesome. You know, that's the way it's supposed to be. We all grow up and we figure out what is important in life. When you were younger, when I was younger, what was the most important thing? Getting laid and getting money. Okay? Money got me the other things I wanted and sometimes could get you late too.

But it was all about, man, money was the most important thing. Is money the most important thing? Not now. At 55, it's not. I figured out. I was telling me this the other day that when you get into comedy, you get three, you get so broke, you get to a point where you enjoy it. You, out of the comedy journey is not knowing what's going to happen.

All I know is tonight I'm going to do a show and pick up 50 bucks. That's all I fucking know. I don't know nothing else. When you get yourself to that state of mind, nothing. I've been so broke that when I get a check, you know what I'm saying? What am I going to do with this? I've been so broke for so long that, and you, when I was, and you're right, we were talking, When we're not saying that, when you're 25, you can't wait to get money.

Oh, it's everything. And then you realize one day that you can have all the money in the world that's not going to make you happy. That you have to make your own happiness. You have to promote your own thing. It's a different level of your life when you come to that realization that you can't do nothing for you. You're happy in a hut.

Yeah, I tell people all the time, man, look at it. You know, I'm never going to be rich and I don't care. You know, but the one thing that I've figured out, and I've known some very wealthy people, you know, the Fertitas are very wealthy people, you know, Mark Cuban, very wealthy person. They have all the money. They buy anything. No, they can't. You know what they can't buy?

Can't buy time, especially time that's gone by. You get 86,400 seconds every day. And it's how you spend those seconds of time that's valuable. because once they're gone, I don't care how much money you have, you can't get them back. And so you figure out, you know what? Look it, man, spend your time. Time is the most valuable thing you have. It's who you spend it with, what you do, how you do it with them.

That's what makes life special. That's what is important. And you figure it out. It took me a long time too, but you figure it out over time. Took me a long. I thought that that was it. If you get money, that was the answer. Right.

That was it. And then one day you're like, now I have no money, but I'm still having a good time. I don't need money. And I learned through comedy like fucking surviving on 50 bucks and change and eating Subway sandwiches, the veggie and cheese sandwich. When I was an LAPD police officer in Hollywood,

that woman right there would give me $5. I'm not fucking kidding. Five dollars for the week to eat on. Okay? That was what I got. Now, I didn't say that I used to gamble a lot. and I would take the wings and that's how I would eat too. But, man, that was what I got to eat because we were broke because all my money went

towards my family and my kids and keeping my kids in school and things like that was what was important to me. But, you know, man, you look at all the things that you can buy property-wise, man, it's great to have the really nice car. Man, it's great, you know, if you get the boat or whatever it is, the nice big house. It doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean anything. Man, you can't take it with it.

you. It ain't going with you. It's going to break down, whatever it is, you know, all of it. The people that you meet that you spend quality time with and they do something that alters and enhances your life, that's it. That's everything. That's what you get out of comedy. The people that you actually get to go watch at times before you do your set and the people that you get to interact backstage and even beforehand you guys are having a drink and it's just that common bond that you have with each other and you're talking about doing something and someone's up there doing on a stage and then you're listening to me, man, that fucker had something going there. That's the part of life, man.

That's it. That's the special part. And that's what you got to realize. I do the same thing with refereeing and telling people, I've said it too many times, but man, the part, you're never going to be rich. I get all these people. How much money can you make a refring? Nothing.

Quit trying to make money. It ain't going to happen. But you do get certain things out of it that are priceless. I get to walk into these giant arenas. No one stops me and I don't pay for a fucking ticket. Man, I get to go down. I get to talk to Joe Rogan if it is or I get to go talk with freaking any fighter. And no one stops me.

Priceless. It's because it's a moment that, you know what, it goes up here and I remember it and I can pull it back at any time and it doesn't cost me a thing. When you were a cop, did you love being a cop? I did. When you had the jih Tzu school, did you love running a jitza school? Yes. When you were a referee, when you first...

Loved it. Still do. And still miss it. If right now, if you didn't have a wife and two, three kids, would you referee for free? Oh, I told people all the time, man. I can't believe they're paying you to do this. I am glad that they don't realize that I would actually do it for free. And that's the problem that a lot of people take jobs for money.

Oh, yeah. They don't take when you're... And they're miserable. And they're fucking miserable. And when you're a kid and you're 18 and you're going, that's why I don't believe that kids should make the decision at 18 to pick them fucking major. Because they're going to pick it from some kids are fucking just, you know,

I'm going to take a sociology major. You're going to be dead. You might as well shoot yourself now, a sociology major and all that. I mean, I'm not putting nobody down. I'm just saying, but then you have people who become something and then after the four or five years or seven years they go, I don't want to do this shit. I don't want to do this shit.

This is fucking miserable. It looked good on TV. You know what I'm saying? They look like they were having a good time on TV. And it's crazy how fast the world changes. Like, kids now, like, if I had known what I had known, maybe I would have gone to build apps or something or computer stuff. I always loved computers, but it just from the time that I graduated high school to the time I graduated college, now they're smartphones and. and all these things that just didn't exist.

So it's, you can't, the, it's frustrating hearing you guys say, like, oh, the money doesn't matter. Because I'm, like, slowly starting to realize it, but that was the only thing I can't about. That's all you think about to you. Till I got locked up when I was in prison,

money, you learned so much. Like, once I went to prison, I learned one thing for sure that I didn't want to go back to prison. Right. Like, I knew right then and that. Like, when you get to prison, the prison, there's people like, hey, what's happening, Mrs. Mack, what up? Where you've been?

Oh, I've been in, what's a big prison here? Pelican Bay. I've been in this one. You want to be in. I've been in this one. It becomes like a resume. It's like me. It's like you saying to me, so what movies have you been in? Spider-Man too, the longest shot. When you talk to these people behind

the walls, Mrs. Mack, the status. It is the scariest fucking situation. You know Johnny Mac over at Pelican Bay? Yeah, we partied out one time. What are you talking about? You weren't fucking prison with him. What party now? Bruno, baby. Unless you showed each other your dicks, what party did you fucking have?

I party with Big John up in Pelican Bay all the day. The conversations are like fucking retarded. You're like, so you really want to stay here. But after a couple years, you just get institutionalized. And when you go out, they feel weird outside. They feel uncomfortable

in their skin. You know, I'm writing a chapter in a book right now. It's taking me a long time because I was trying to get the essence of the chapter. And that's when I out of county. After being in county for a month with kidnapping charges and aggravated robbery charges. And they reduced my bail because they said I didn't have any contacts in the community. I had no ties to the community. But then my father-in-law went in there and talked to the DA. He wasn't really my father-in-law. I was just dating his daughter. But he was a lieutenant colonel.

He went and talked to the DA. He talked to the prosecutor. He talked to my attorney. And they lowered the bail of 3,000. And I got out. it was county jail and for the first month what I went through in my head was horrible you know I because my name came out in the paper

as part of the thing it was like on page 9 but it still came out the fucking paper I thought that everybody read the paper so when I would go to 7-11 I thought you knew behind the counter that I had done that and it almost drove

like it almost made me gave up at times so I could see the different angles of being institutionalized but once I got locked up I knew one thing I wasn't going back I'll still do criminal thing but above the below the line type shit you know I'm saying like Mr. Mean is if I get caught like possession of stolen tools or something like that

you know possession of something but it's really not in my house I'll get them some way or another it was fucking crazy but I made my decision and I don't know if I was going to change and that, you know, and when I had the two felonies, I was pushed into a bad position, and I left with my ex-wife and the boyfriend, and I left because I knew it was going to end up in jail, and I didn't want to end up in jail. Not a good place is not. Life's good, you know.

Life is fucking really good. But you got to work at it. Yes. It's like anything. Yes. You can't expect it to just come to you. You got to work at it. But to sit there and look at doing something that puts you in a place where you don't have a say of where you can go and what you can do, man, that's tough. That's rough.

And to be in prison, you do get institutionalized because you become so used to the system. You understand what I have to do to survive in here, what I have to do to get along, and that's who you become. And then if they do let you out, it's a scary world out there. It is. And it's not scary in the fact of, oh, I'm worried about people doing something to me. Now you're worried about how do I survive without doing what I did that put me back there in the first place? Because, you know, look at it. You know, you're on parole. You got to tell people you're on parole. You know, people don't want to hire you. Now life just becomes rougher and everything becomes harder. You can sit there and say, it's not fair. Or you can sit there and say, you know what?

It doesn't matter how hard it's going to get. I'm going to, I am going to make this work. I'm going to survive. I came on the tail in the background checks. So I did really fucking good. Like I was still doing all that shit when it took 30 days to get your fingerprints from NCIC. All right. It wasn't on a leisure thing goes and it comes up on the computer. Yeah, it comes on the computer.

So like I remember one time I got arrested for shoplifting when I was out on bail for the kidnapping. I spent a month in jail. I knew all these cops. call me Joey. But for that name, I gave him Jimmy something. I gave my friend of mine's name that I had grown up with. They were calling me Joey. Joey, good to see you. They were fingerprinting me, and I'm looking at the card, and it's saying my alias on that. And I bailed out that night without an ID. I got a friend to call. I manipulated her on the phone to come down and bail me out under my name. And then I went to court into that name, and I did the community service under that name. And years

later when I got arrested, I was looking at the paper working court and they had the alias on. I'm like, oh no. It came up and now you're fucking dead. You get arrested right there, boom, it comes right up. Oh, yeah.

I did time with a guy in county that was driving one day with his wife and his kid and some guy ran a red light and killed his wife and his kid and he ran away from the scene and nobody could understand why. Because he was wanted in Florida for 22 years ago.

They arrested him. They thought he had alcohol on his system. He had no alcohol on his system. They let him his bail. Something was outstanding. And after a month, it came back that he was a guy that killed his wife. So he was sitting in there for 30 days before they even found out. That's how slow the computer was.

Used to be real slow. Payboard going back and forth. So I had a couple hours. a bitch now. Really? Dude, you find out anything on anybody, man. A.K.A. is anything. The biggest problem is sometimes you use these names and you give a day to birth and it is

attached to you now forever and then someone under that name when that date of birth does something and boom, it pops up on that screen for that police officer and guess who's going? And you're going, yeah, but look at you. You go. And it's like, you play that game. They can come up and catch you. It's trouble.

I used to have fun But in 1985, I'm living in San Francisco And my job was to put a suit on And sit in a hotel lobby At the Hilton in the tenderloin And I would wait for P I was waiting With the New York Times With glasses on

And I'd wait for people to check in And I'd see what room they were coming into And then people usually check in, drop their stuff, and leave But in San Francisco they all had travelers checks So I would follow with me There was no electronic cards. The maid would leave the keys in the doors. I would creep up, take the key out of the door,

take the master key. Oh, Mrs. Mack, I was out on wheels. And I would rob tourists. Carl Maldon, man. American Express. What was it? What was it? What was a call, man?

Don't leave home without them. Don't leave home without them. Don't leave home with the streets of Sam. Well, my big thing was travelers checks. Because all you had to do is take the travelers checks to Japan town. And they wouldn't ask you for an ID. So you had a $50 travelist check. You buy a hat.

That says San Francisco for $6.95 to give you back $43 in cash. Yeah, it's the same thing with counterfeit money. When you have 20s or 50s, you just go to bodegas in the Bronx and spend shit. If you have fake 20s, you get them a 20 for something that's $5 and you get 15 back. You do that all fucking day long and you do one area at a time. So everybody goes to the bank the same day with fake money and then you just can't go back there again. How do you get good at knowing like who's telling you? the truth big John because like if I it's it sounds like a joke but every time I watch

cops I believe everybody I'm like they're telling he said he didn't do it he's in and then they always like nine out of ten times they did it and I'm like I don't know how you believe anybody like cops I've heard it all right cops have heard it all if you think that's crazy wait till you go behind the walls that's even crazy I have Invicts lying to each other I was a big shot I was the mafia let me me bum a cigarette. What a second? He just told me you

in the fucking mafia. Why would you want to bum a second? It's hilarious. How do you deal with that? Like the bad cop, good cop? In my world, they're all fucking lying if their lips are moving. First, you look at it, it's a game.

You know, and so when you're looking and say, I believe everyone. Usually, you know, everybody's lying. Okay? And most of the time, I'm going to get information beforehand. So I know the answer before I ask you

the question. And so when you answer me, I know, oh, you are, okay, you want to lie. See, that would piss me off as a cop. Like, I don't know, I don't know if I'd be able to do it for 20 years. Just like, I'd be like everyone's lying in me. I hate everybody. Like, I get why people get jaded if you're getting lied to it. That's, you know, you can.

Or you can look at it. It's a game. Sometimes you win the game. Sometimes you lose at the game. But, man, don't get all personal about it and stuff. They're going to lie to you. It's your job to set it up. to where if they're lying,

you can make them look even stupider with what they're lying about, and now they're going to go away, and you're going to put them in whatever the court systems do with them, they do with them, don't take that personal either. That's a fucking tough job being a cop. It is.

I'm telling you, now, now, I couldn't do it, couldn't do it, man. It's ridiculous. What they want, they want, they want police officers to be everything. They want them to be psychologists.

They're supposed to be able to handle people that are bipolar, that are, you know, having mental breakdowns, you're supposed to be able to take them. They want them to be physically able to control anybody without hurting them. You know, hey, trust me, that ain't easy. That ain't easy. You know, and it's like, I was pretty good at, you know, doing things and not hurting people and putting them in bad situations, bad positions.

But that, you can't expect that out of every one of them. Because, like, all police officers are different. We're different sides, different, you know, backgrounds. Some of us train in certain ways. Some of us don't. They want you to be superhuman. And they want you to put your life on the line in situations to go to the absolute end of everything by putting your life on the line because this person could take your life right now. But you're supposed to let that be out there so you don't take theirs.

That's ridiculously. I had certain qualls that I would, you know, look at it as a police officer. You had this Florida shooting, and you have those four officers now that were at the school, didn't go in. Okay? You know, all I can say is, I hope you have to live with yourself for a really long time. Thinking about that because you are a piece of crap. You are supposed to be the person that will put yourself in front of others to protect them. That's the oath that you took.

I used to tell people all the time. They're way worse. When I was teaching, I would tell people there are worse things than dying. Dying is not the worst thing that can happen to you. Obviously, we all want to live. But to die doing the right thing is not a horrible thing. Now, I believed in that. I was taught that by my dad.

My dad came up with all kinds of stuff that he put in my head. He had David Goggins now has it at 40. And my dad had it before him. It was the 50% rule. And the 50% rule was when you think that you're done, when you can't move, when you think that there's no air left for you to breathe, when you are absolutely at your worst, you're only 50% there. There's another 50% to go.

Get going. Get busy. Do something. And that's the truth. Our mind will quit on us long before our body will. And so you've got to be in this position where you have certain things that you say, I will not be the person that stands by while somebody is attacking kids in a high school and because I'm afraid I don't step forward.

Now, how many cops? I only read that there was one. I didn't hear about four. Four total now. Well, there was one who was like the school police, the school police officer. And the first few deputies didn't go in either. Yep. Look, I taught that, man.

Back when Columbine happened, we went and said, you cannot do what we used. to do, which was, oh, we're going to set a perimeter around this problem and we're going to try to talk to these people that are inside actively taking kids' lives. Your job is to get your ass inside of that building, find that sucker, and make it so they can't hurt anybody else. That is what you get paid for. That is what those parents expect you to do. Is it scary? It's scary. I'm telling you right now. It's okay if you have feelings. Fear. Fear is a good thing. Fear tells you there's a problem. But courage is that element that when you are scared to death, you step forward and do it anyways. That's what you get paid for to be as a police officer in very specific moments of time. You have a choice. Make the right choice. Do the right thing. This Florida shooting, obviously, grabbed a lot of people's attention. I mean, you know.

As a parent, I have a five-year-old. I don't know what the fuck I'm thinking now. I don't know what the fuck I'm thinking. You know, do I move to Tennessee? This could happen anywhere. This could happen anywhere at any time, any fucking school. But as a parent now, what do you do? What are we going to do?

I mean, I'm seeing the NRA. I'm hearing all this shit. Listen, I can buy a gun in 10 fucking minutes. I'm a felon. I can make one call and have a gun. gun here in 10 minutes. Or I could walk to the handball court because that's where you buy the best guns

are at handball courts. Nice and used. They've killed eight people already for the small 50. Those motherfuckers don't miss, okay? If you get caught with it, you're going to get charged with eight different murders. I mean, we're giggling here and stuff, but this is the reality of this. This is the fucking reality. I get a gun right now for

20 minutes. And if you give me a couple days, I'd get a machine gun. Once I get into the Armenians, I can get anything I want. Just give me a couple fucking days. So obviously that I know what the answer is. What's the answer? The answer is to put a rambo at every fucking school. You know, my, I'm a redneck at heart. And my brother-in-law is from Tennessee, you know, he's a country. And I was talking to him the other day and he said, this little girl asked him, Daddy, why are people shooting kids? And he goes, because there's nobody

that they shoot back at him. That is, look it. And the more I think of that, answer, as much as you're opposed to guns or in favor of guns, to me in my mind, that's the answer. These little fucking maniacs got to know. These little Martian, they got to know that if they're going there, they're going to get shot with one of those bottle rockets that Rambo had. Remember, they pull the arrow and the fucking guy blew up, like, that's what you're going to get assaulted with. It's a bazooka right to your head.

You know, number two, we got a, in New York, what's that act that if I get caught with a gun, I get two years, the whatever act. If I get caught in New York City with a gun, there's no bail, there's no gold. New York, New York's tight. Right, New York's tight. We got to raise 20 a mandatory. I got to give it to you. I got to give it to you.

This is how this is going to stop. We're always going to be able to get guns. Absolutely. But how are we going to stop? I catch you with a gun. It's 20 minimum. They imposed the drugs in like 85 and 87. They doubled up on the drugs, heroin.

And same thing with weapons now. Double up on 20, 25 fucking years. You get caught with an unregistered handgun or something like that. You know, they're going to change the age to 21. We're going to do a background check. You can take that background check and wipe your ass with it. You can take that shit and wipe your ass with it. They're still going to get guns.

Well, you guys both have more experience with guns than I do. I spend six months in Israel. And they have army and metal detectors everywhere. So like half of me because like yeah, you can get a gun anywhere, but like those 21 year old, those 20 year old kids might not know about the handball court. So I think I think it has to be both ways. I don't have a problem with putting an army person at the thing, but I think it has to be a little bit harder to get a gun. Like make it just a little bit harder. My friend sent me a video.

He's a cop. He sent me a video of the school shooting in Florida when they were taking the kids out of the classroom and the teacher had a towel on a fucking head and there's a part of a blood around and the kids have to run out and then when they went out to the hallway there was cops in the middle of the hall and they told the kids to hold on to the wall

touched the wall and don't look you could see kids sneakers they got shot out of their fucking sneakers when I saw that that's it like no kid deserves to see that at that age nobody they're not going to recover from that

Some of them are, but 50% of those kids are going to be fucked up by seeing that on the floor. I don't want my daughter to see that, Big John. Yeah, I don't blame me. I don't want half of the kids in this country to have to see that. What's the answer? Do I put a fucking Marine, a fucking guy right out of North Carolina at every school that's... I look at it, and there's no perfect answer to anything, okay? But the thing is, as a country, we cannot have our schools being attacked.

Can't have it. And so we have all these things that we do and we have all these programs and we help this country and that country. Okay, that's great. We need to take the money that we create through taxes and start to put people in place in every damn school while it is in session. and if that's taking military personnel that is now leaving the military and training them and putting them there, great. If it is, look at the, you had the one guy who was the football coach who stepped in front of students and took rounds, okay, and ended up losing his life. Look at, I think it's horrible that he lost his life, but God damn it, I love that man. I love him too.

Okay. I love him too. He did what he knew he had to do because he couldn't stand by and do. nothing. That's the person. Look, I'm not saying arm every teacher out there. You can't do that because many of them, that weapon with them would do nothing because they're afraid to use it. But there are plenty. But there are plenty of ex-military, ex-law enforcement people that are teachers that would say, I am willing to carry a weapon on the school. And I know since they are personalized with those kids, they will step forward because it's not only that they know

what is going on is wrong, they know those kids and they cannot stand by and let those kids get hurt without doing something. And that's the person I need. I need the person that isn't going to stand outside like the useless sheriffs that were there. I need the person that's going to step forward like that football coach and do what needs to be done to stop someone from hurting the kids. you got to have it. It's done. I mean, we've had it too many times now that we've had mentally ill people. And look it, this kid in this shooting, look it, they knew.

They had too much information. They have a guy, he's threatening people with guns. He's doing all this stuff. You know he's got mental issues. And we don't do something to make sure that he doesn't have access to those guns. We don't take those guns. Are you fucking kidding me? You know, everybody down there that didn't do something knowing that this kid's a problem, shame on you.

You're responsible. You are absolutely part of the responsibility of what happened at that school. You're supposed to be there to protect the people that can't protect themselves. That's the job of a police officer. It's no different than the job of a referee in fighting. My job is not to sit there and just enforce rules. it's to protect the fighter that no longer can protect themselves. Let me get you out of the fight.

It's okay. It's just a fight. It's not that important. But when it comes to our kids and going to school, you can't have someone like you, Joy, a father, releasing his child into that school and having fear that someone might come and attack her at that school. That's something no one can live with.

No one can sit there and just think about that and feel comfortable. Let's hit some Tony Bennett. I'll be back when we go Tinkle because I'm 55. Go baby. My little thing is small. You know, I see every once in a while. I want to be around to pick up the pieces. When somebody breaks your heart,

some somebody twice as smart. As I'm a somebody who will swear to be true as you used to do with me. To learn that misery loves company, wait and see, I want to be around to see how he does it when he breaks your heart. two bits. Let's see if the puzzle fits. All right, let's talk about some better stuff now. Let's go. We were all gloom. Congratulations on your new position. Thank you so much, brother.

I appreciate that. That was, when I heard that, I was like, God damn. What the fuck are they thinking of that? But once you got here, you explained to us that, you know, you're getting a little older. This is a little easier for you, a little less on the joints than fucking flying every week. weekend and what do you think? Man, I look at it and it was one of those opportunities. How do you turn it down?

I mean, when you sit there and you talk about me reffing and stuff, I loved it and still do and do I miss it? Absolutely. I was given the opportunity to be a commentator for one of the biggest organizations there is in MMA. I'm not going to sit here and lie to someone and tell them, oh, the UFC is not bigger than Bellator. It is. It's more well-known and everything. But Bellator is probably number two. And I get to be the color commentator for that organization. That's something that people work years to try to get.

And I'm given that opportunity. How do I turn that down? It just, I looked at it. And being that I am older, I had two neck operations within two weeks, you know, that really screwed me up in, you know, the middle of last year and stuff, and I was like, man, I just can't do this the way I was doing it before, as far as the travel and everything. By working with Bellator, it was going to cut my travel down considerably. And it was also going to be that I was working, you know, instead of working, I think I worked 86 shows last year, I'd be working maybe 24. How many shows do Belder two a month, too?

They usually do about two a month. And all their fights are on Paramount. All their fights are on Paramont. So there's no more spike now? No, Spike turned into the Paramount Network and it's got more, I guess, girl-friendly stuff than what Spike. The Spike was supposed to be a man's channel. You're cutting out 50% of the population. That's pretty stupid.

That doesn't make a lot of sense. And so... So, 241 is the Paramount Network. So that's the only channel they fight on. They do do a pay-per-view event, right? They've done two pay-per-view events the entire time they've been in existence. They did one, God, I think it was Bellator 102 or 120 or something like that. And they did the New York City show that they did from Madison Square Garden.

They had that as a pay-per-view also. They put on, you know, the fights that they put on when they did the pay-per-view, they were great fights. Look at, Belator has some great fighters. One of the funniest things I just saw is one of one of the ones. of the websites put out a thing about what if we could trade fighters between promotions. And it was hysterical because all the fighters that they were trading from the UFC were all old fighters. It was Robbie Lawler and talking about, oh, we'll trade, you know,

Benil Del Rouge was not that old a fighter, but an older fighter. And then it was all older and all the young fighters from Belator was the ones that were going to go to the UFC. It's like because they have all these young studs. And you go, yeah, that trade wouldn't happen, dude. I'm sorry, man. Bellator, as far as, like, certain weight classes, their 145 pound division is stacked. I will take the, you know, you can take the 145s in the UFC, which is fantastic, and you can put Bellator's right next to it.

Man, those fighters can, they can just mesh in very well. You look at the champion at 145 in Bellator is Patricio Pitbull-Fer. He's a freaking unbelievable fighter. He goes up in weight to fight guys. He'll fight anybody. He fought Benson. Henderson went up at 155. Was beating Benson.

You know, beat him in the first round, was beating him in the second, and broke his leg on a kick. And so the fight was over. But, I mean, he's phenomenal as a fighter. You've got young guys like A.J. McKee's son, Antonio McKee's son, Antonio used to fight, fought in the UFC. His son, AJ, incredible young fighter.

Gallagher, who's fighting out of, SBG in Ireland with Connor McGregor. He's going to be headlining the show in April from Budapest. Incredible young fighter. Aaron Pico. Aaron Pico, it was a kid here in California. Freshman in high school wins states in wrestling, decides he's going to go for the Olympics.

He misses the Olympics by just the skin of his teeth. One point doesn't go to the Olympics. He's fighting for Belmont. He was training in Eddie's, wasn't he? Absolutely, he was. He's a stud. He's a stud. He's a stud.

He's a stud. And they got all these young fighters that are studs. You know, and they have things going. They know what they're doing. They obviously have some older fighters, too, that they're utilizing because of name recognition, like Rampage and, you know, Chail Sonan and bringing guys in to fight at times. But it's all about, yeah, you want to see this guy. We're going to put this guy in here so you can see him, too.

because once people realize how good the fighters that they have are, look at Belator's got some studs going right now, and I'm happy. I am so happy and I'm honored to be part of that promotion because they're doing the right things for the fighters. Like I was telling you, when Joe was on about nine months ago, he went on a Belator rant, and I didn't really know anything about Belator just because it's like,

MMA is growing so fast right now. Oh, there's so many fighters. Like, I see these guys that take nine months off and when they come back. It's a different world. Yeah. These guys are getting quicker, faster, light. I mean, it's just a different world. It's moving so fast.

Once I had the baby and my workload in the podcast, I watch that a whole world to go, man. I watch half the cards I used to. Absolutely. You know, I watch half the cards I used to. Bellator has to have a Bellator tonight. Once a week. To talk about what the fuck they're doing to let guys like me learn and educate me. I know Ryan Bade is there.

Listen, you know what Bellator reminds me of the old San Francisco 49ers? When they were winning all those years, they would sign people of one-year contracts, and they would win a championship of them because that owner had a knack to signing people that still had one more or two more good fucking years in them. And you know what? The UFC got rid of Musasi for no reason. think is a phenomenal fight. Who's with Bellator?

Yeah, he's a Bellator now. Ryan Bader is a great fighter. Bill Davis, Benson, a bunch of reasons, whatever. Rory McDonald. Dude, how do you get rid of Rory McDonald?

Roy McDonald. After that fight with fucking Loller, Loller, how do you get rid of Roy? It's like a spit to the face. Like you put on one of the best fights of the decade. Yep. And we're going to have no argument over paper now.

So it got that's what I knew was something weird, but that's what, and they're picking up momentum little by little. You know, I knew about the Grand Prix, you know, I didn't know that they had signed Frank Meir. I knew about, you know, Roy Nelson. I knew about Mitch Young came to the comedy store one night and was telling me that he's in Bellator. So I know that they're probably going to end up doing good things. They're doing all right.

Little by little. It's one of those things. It's like a finger in the same. ass. You don't see it coming. You know what I'm saying? But you know it's there. And that's what they're going to do. And, you know, with all this shit that's happening with the UFC, Connor not stripping the belt, there's always drama. Anything can happen in this game. You know, that... Guys, anything can happen in this game right now. I want to tell me why. Is Connor the champion or is he not the champion? He's the champion at

155. But he hasn't fought. Kabib is going to fight Ferguson. Ferguson. And isn't that for the undisputed title? I don't know what's going on. It's undisputed title. That's what they said. From what I heard, one of the reasons why they wouldn't do it is the new UFC game came out like a couple days later with Conner's picture. No?

That ain't it. Let's be honest. UFC has a contract that has a champions clause. And if you're that champion, you can't go anywhere. And Connor McGregor made a lot of money fighting Floyd Mayweather. And he started McGregor promotions. And he's got all kinds of people. around him and one of the guys, he's got a lawyer that used to work for the UFC that now works for him.

That lawyer knows those contracts. Connor's not stupid. Connor's smart. And if Connor gets stripped of that title, that whole champions clause goes down the tube. Connor can go do other things. Connor could be his own promoter. Connor can look and say, you know what? I like the UFC, but you know what?

They're taking money that I'm bringing to the table because. because people want to see me fight, I think I can put that on and make that same money. Connor's not stupid. Neither is Dana White. And there's a reason why Dana White hasn't stripped Connor McGregor. Okay, look at it. It's a game.

It's a game. You know, it's a business. And I totally understand the business part. But, man, you've got to be smart about what's going on with fighters is, I can tell you, I travel the world. And there are so many good fighters. around the world that are not part of the UFC. And that's not saying anything bad about the U.S.

the U.S.C. can't handle those fighters because they have a hard time marketing the fighters that they have. And a lot of these guys are coming from places. They don't speak English. You know, they're like, you've got Khabib. Kabib now speaks English, which is a great thing. But there's a ton of guys from Dagestani and from Chechnya. These guys are killers.

I am telling you. It's really growing in. Russia. I read some of my God, about a few months ago. Let me tell you something. I know of fighters that are in Russia that can compete with anybody in any organization at any level right now. They're that good. They could go and fight for the championship of the UFC, the championship of Bellator, and I'll tell you what, it's a 50-50 that they don't take it. Okay, that's how good they are. But these are the guys that are out there. But, you know, as a promoter, you can only promote so many people. And so

fighters are in this position where they've made a lot of them have gotten to this thing. They want to go to the UFC because that validates them. You know, and it's like it's like it's the NFL because if someone is talking about MMA and they go, oh,

you fight and yeah, I fight, you know, who do you fight for? And they say Bellator, the person might not have heard of Belator. And so who's that? But if they say UFC, oh, that ultimate fight you, I recognize that. And so for a lot of fighters, That's their end goal is they don't care what they're getting paid. They want to get that validation like, I have made it.

It's the NFL. It's the NBA. It's, you know, Major League Baseball. That's what the UFC is to them. But when you're looking at, you know, Bellator, what they do, Belator allows the fighters to have sponsors. They allow them to all the stuff like the UFC used to do, but they don't take any of the money.

They don't take any money from the sponsors. They allow them to keep all that sponsor money and everything. the fighters themselves can wear the t-shirts and the hats during their walkout or, you know, in the ring and stuff. That's a way for a fighter to make money. When they talk about contracts, Bellator doesn't give them that show and win. They don't do that. You know, if you're going to make $40,000 for your fight, it's not a 2020 that you'll get usually in the UFC. The UFC says, well, you get 20 to show, and if you win, it's 20.

The Bellator fighter gets, no, it's $40,000. That's what you're signed to. That's what you get. So you can go out. And if you lose the fight, you're not losing money in it. That helps you. That helps you a lot. And these are little things that, you know, hey, there are differences in the company.

Scott Coker is in charge of Bellator. You will not find any fighters that say Scott Coker is, he treats me bad. I want to have you known Scott before. I've known Scott for, God damn, since 2001, I want to say. he was actually doing a kickboxing, K-1 kickboxing in Vegas. And Scott Koker, he's a martial artist. He loves fighting.

He loves the grandeur of fighting. He doesn't care so much about titles. He cares about what's the fight that people want to see. What's the fight that I want to see? And I love that about him because he just wants to put out the best fights. You take a look at what he did in Strike Force. And you take a look at the fighters that he had. And everyone, when, you know, Strike Force was out there,

and the Strike Force sucks. You know, none of the Strike Force fighters can, you know, fight with a UFC guy. And you look and you go, really? Let's take a look at what happened when the UFC bought Strike Force. Well, they got like Nick Diaz back. Okay, now Nick had fought already in the UFC, but they had this guy named Daniel Cormier.

Okay. He was fighting for Strike Force. Oh, now he's the UFC champion and has been there for a long time as champion. The first fight, you know, first fight for, for Kane Velasquez was in Strike Force, and then he did a bow dog, and then he got signed to the UFC. But he was a Strike Force guy. And then Luke Rockhold, Strike Force guy became UFC champion. Tyrone Woodley, Strike Force guy.

He's UFC champion. You take a look at, look, there's guys that know how to make fights and knows how to pick out fighters that he believes that's the guy that's going to be special. Scott Coker has an incredible eye for talent and has made incredible. great decisions and who is going to be that guy that is going to be somebody. He knows fighting and that's what's great working with him is he has a passion for it. The passion of, hey, I can't do everything overnight, but eventually this is the direction we're walking. Let's just walk it together.

I'm happy. And it doesn't look like, remember when we were kids that had the NFL and the USFL? Yeah. And you knew the USFL wasn't going to make it. Like you're like, they're like, they're making it. Yeah. Trump owned the Jersey General. Jersey General.

But you look at who it was playing for, man. Hershal Walker. Hershaw Walker. That's when I met him. Doug Flutty. Doug Flutty, that's right. They were playing for him. You had Steve Young here in L.A. with the L.A. Express.

I mean, look, there was some great Reggie White played for the Philadelphia stars. They had some great players in the U.S.F. So, no, no, no, I think that you'll do great there because they are growing. Like I said, I'm just, I don't know what the fuck is on no more. I don't know nothing. I come home in that. I turn the TV. on or UFC tonight's on.

I get to watch a little bit of that once in a while. And it's great. I watch a countdown show once in a while. They were shitty for a while now. This week's was pretty good with Frank Yeager. That's going to be a great fight. I just got to get more knowledge about Bellator

and then I'll have you back and we could fucking go back and forth. Now I'm all fucked up. I don't know none about them. But I just know a lot of fighters went over and I couldn't figure out why Dana let a lot of these guys. Like Musassi was one. guy couldn't figure out.

But it's like a comic. But Musasi came from Strike Force. Musasi, he was in Japan fighting a little bit and then went to Strike Force and he really liked Scott Coker. And you know, he was part of the whole

when Strike Force got sold. There was reasons why Strike Force got sold. Most people don't know what it is. But Strike Force, you know, Scott made a play to get bigger and brought Silicon Valley Sports. into play. They were the owners of the San Jose Sharks and all that. And when they made that play to get bigger, you know, there was a lot of money that went out. And then they didn't get their return like

they thought right away. And then they decided, uh, we want out of this. And so that's why they ended up getting sold. It wasn't because Scott wanted to sell it. It was Silicon Valley Sports wanted out of it. And so the Fertitas being smart, Lorenzo, goes, that's a lot of contracts. And those great fighters and that's something that's going to help us and he went out and he paid a lot of money for it and you know hey that's what made lorenzo fortita so special he was willing to spend money to make his product better and he did and he's a special owner and he's gone now but uh you know he made the right right choices on what he was going to do when you were a kid and you were doing tycoondo whatever the fuck were you doing did you ever think that the UFC and all the

You see it coming. I didn't see it coming at all. I turned it on one time and saw guys built like me with two tubes on hitting each other. I'm like, this is the most disgusting sport I've seen in my life. This is just bar fighting for fucking criminals and shit. And I thought I just didn't watch it. I was a Bruce Lee guy. I'm watching two fat fuck throwing punches out of each other.

You can't tell that guy just hate a fucking pharmacy full of steroids. That guy just came back there. First time I threw it. I didn't know their names. I don't know who these guys are. I saw a guy in the UFC one night. Remember Joe took me to Miami? Nobody showed up.

Yeah. They're only shit. UFC 42? Yeah, who showed? There was a celebrity, though, in the house. It was fucking empty. The guy from Hawaii fought. Oh, Japan?

No, the guy that was knocking people out. Fat dude. He was like the biggest thing in the UFC. Oh, cabbage. Cabbage. Cabbage. That's who I, that was the only. Leslie Correa.

Fucking Rogan would talk. about the UFC and I go stomp it like I fucking didn't like it then he got the man show and he goes come to a sketch in Florida and the U.S. season will be there Friday night and I went and I'm looking at Cabbage's body

I'm like what is this? Bruce Lee would be spitting in this fucking grave right now. Bruce Lee couldn't have done anything with Cabbage. You had to hit it with everything he had and gone my God. What the hell? And then I didn't watch it. They would him and Eddie and Tate

would sit there in the car and they wouldn't shut the fuck up and I'm like these bucks. And then one night I'm at home watching TV and I turn on and I see Anderson Silver kicking the shit out of the kid. I'm one of those fight nights at the palms. And I was like, I like that fucking guy.

And that was it. That's how I got into it. All it takes is one, man. Once I saw Scott, well, I did also see the, you know, the big, big fight, the one that's set up. I'd watch that by mistake. Franklin against. You're talking about Franklin.

against silver or are you talking about no oh you're talking about force griffin against step and bonner i saw that fight and that was like fuck okay there might be something here or maybe i just caught a good fight and then i would talk to joe and asking questions and then i saw anderson my head almost blew up i was like that's that's the fucking way to do it now i'm a fan but like i i'm happy in a way you're not fucking a referee no more because you can't win especially with the internet you can't fucking win You can't win. People are always going to be...

I fucking hate the Internet. I hate what it's done to people's lives. I hate it. Social media is awesome. It's awesome. Because everyone knows everything. But it gives people the right to talk sometimes that don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

And it drives me fucking crazy. That's all they do. I don't mind if you open up your mouth. You know, if you're going to question a referee or question a football call or question something, I don't mind it. But if you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, don't fucking question it like that. And I see it every Sunday when you put Facebook up during football season.

What happened this year with New England? They burnt somebody like game 12 with a bad catch or something. Oh, the Steelers. Yeah, the Steelers. And, you know, the next day they're whining on there. And I'm thinking about these referees and the two fucking. So I bet that party was great. Like this last week we had that controversy with Jeremy Stevens.

Let's go to Bloody Elbow. so my man can break it down for us because I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about when I told you last time I don't know the point system I know you punch them in the head you take them down but I don't know how the point system works so let's go let's look at this shit here

let me give some shoutouts real quick I got this time here it's a beautiful Monday morning when the when the beat drops full metal Pete Justin Leo Luke

Lewis Bosley, Harry Daniels, Mick Parenthy, and Gordon McPhillips, you bad motherfuckers. And don't forget, this Saturday night, I'll be at the Ice House 7.30 working out with Uncle Joey. And we added a second show at Nyack, a 10 o'clock show at Leverty Live on the 21st. That's all I got this month.

I'm getting the split put in my ear next week. Split? Whatever the fuck it is. Tube? Yeah, so I... My daughter used to have to have that, right? Yeah, because I got water. drain and I get fucking

dizzy and I come having a hard time driving when I drive especially I fucking get it. I'm sorry I forgot to put cream. I just went to Colorado and three days in Colorado dried my skin up so bad Mrs. Mack and my wife told me she goes

which one with your ass? Why do you have scratches on your ass before I go because I'm so fucking dry and I forgot to put cream on again tonight. Look at my legs. Look at that. Look how fucking dry from Colorado. My skin never gets that dry. Yeah, from us moving to Vegas. You felt that too?

Oh, my God. I am itchy-witchie tonight. I took a shower too tonight after we went to the Wyoming State. Oh, we went to swimming tonight. Okay, so there you have it there. I break this down from, I don't know what the fuck happened. Me and Lee were in Denver on stage doing our thing. Okay.

Back up a little bit? No, you're good. Just go and let it go. I'll tell you what to stop it. Okay. Right now you've got Dominic Cruz and Dan Cormier are arguing about this whole situation with Jeremy and Josh Emmett. And the whole thing is, did it touch his head or did it not? And that's the question.

And what the funny part is, is you got Dan Merigalada stand right there, stop it right there. Okay. He's in exactly mechanic-wise. This is exactly what we want a referee to be. He is in the proper position to try to see. The big difference is, where the knee is is just on the opposite side of the head from where he's at. But he's in a great position in what we call mechanically to be there.

So go ahead and let that go forward. You see the knee go. The question is, you know, oh, well, the knee coming back touches his head. It is not Jeremy Stevens' fault. I agree. You're having to know why we're debating me. The referee did not stop the fight. Okay, maybe that's debatable.

The arm in Mike, I agree. It is on Dan Mergliata to see that that isn't illegal shot. But that's my argument. Why is it illegal? It's illegal because the fighter, when it goes back to it, I'll show you the position of where he's at as it's going forward. You'll see the fighter is on his knees. Okay, right now he's actually on his ass and his leg, okay?

But he's getting up, goes to his knees, stop it right there. Okay. This is a grounded fighter because any part of his body, other than his hands and feet that touched the ground, now under the unified rules that the state of Florida going under makes the fighter a grounded fighter where he legally cannot be kneeed or kick to the head. You can see his entire leg is down on the ground as far as he's got his foot.

Both knees are actually down. He doesn't have to have a hand on the ground. We want him to have his hands up to protect his head. And so this is a grounded fighter that legally this knee cannot be thrown and touch him to the head or else it is a foul against Jeremy Stevens. The real question is, is people are asking, well, I think it's slid by the side of his head. That's what I saw. I don't think it hit.

What I want you to see, take a look at his right ear. You see his right ear? Yes, sir. Okay. If you take a look at my ears right now, and I take these headphones off, and I can move my head, but my ears don't flap. They stay in where they're at. The cartilage holds them. Rewind it?

Rewind it again. Go back. Go back. Go back. Just a little bit. Watch his ear. Watch what it does. Go ahead and let it go.

You're good. Watch his right ear. Boom. You see that ear flop down? Yes, that's correct. That tells you that there was a kinetic energy that hit his head and caused that ear to do that big old flapping motion because he did get hit to the head. All right? The knee did hit him in the head and it is illegal.

We had the referee wasn't sure. He's there, but I mean, these guys couldn't even get it right watching the replay over and over and over, but they want him to get it in real time. He wasn't sure so he let it go, not stopping it because he thought, I'm in a fight ending sequence and I'm not sure. But did it hit him to the head? Absolutely. Was it a foul? Absolutely. Should there have been something done if the referee had seen it?

Absolutely. Something should have been done. It's an illegal act. it didn't hurt Josh Emmett there was legal blows that hurt Josh Emmett but the knee did touch and in that situation

I would have stopped the action and gotten Josh Emmett up and given him time to recover from the legal blows that actually did do him damage because he did get fouled and let's get him back in the fight and restart it because Jeremy Stephen needs to know

I can't throw a knee in this situation What would if this knee, do you stop this fight, put him both in their corner, take a point away from Jeremy Stevens and start it again? That's what should have been done. Yeah. In the end, that's- Now, this led to a knockout. He was done after this. Yeah, he ends up getting knocked out.

He gets hit, you know, not so much with the knee that hurts him here, but he gets hit with another punch, and then he gets hit with two huge elbows that puts him out. And then, but just on the other side of it, how frustrating must it be as a referee and as a fighter? that each state or some states have different rules. It's ridiculous. You know, Lee, you bring it up. It's the most ridiculous thing that we have going is I have commissions. And this is the problem with athletic commissions is each state is different. Each tribal commission can be different.

Each province up in Canada is different. Down in Brazil, it can be different. And they all are their own little kingdom. And they don't follow what they vote on to say, all right, we're going to do this. and then someone will say, well, I didn't like it, so I'm not going to do it. And they take a professional sport like MMA that is growing leaps and bounds. The fighters are getting better and better, and they are screwing over fighters. They're screwing over officials.

They're screwing over the fans because they don't like something. And I want to be different when they're doing everything they can to screw over the sport of MMA, the sport that they're supposed to be regulating and taking care of, they're doing what is the worst thing for it. It's embarrassing. So right now, we would have stopped this fight, let them both get up, deduct the point from Jeremy Stevens,

and go right back. That's what should have happened. If you had seen, if you're Dan and you say that knee, I believe that knee touched, you're going to stop the action, you're going to take Jeremy away from them, you're going to bring it,

ringside physician, and I'm going to alter things. I'm going to work things out. I'm going to tell the ringside physician, if at all possible, I want you to know that that need did not hurt him. It was legal blows that hurt him. If at all possible, I want to get him back in this fight. If you say that he can't go on, then fine, we'll pull him out of the fight and I'll make a decision of what I'm going to do. But if at all possible, I want you to tell me that he can get back in this fight. And if we can get him back in the fight, then we'll do something as far as, you know, possibly taking points from Jeremy and get the fight going again and make sure that Jeremy knows you. Look it, do you understand the position that you can knee him in or not knee him in?

And I'm going to go over it. This is a problem that it has happened a couple of times. And it's, you know, Dan's been the referee a couple of times. Gaygard Musassi was fighting Chris Wyman in New York. That position caused Dan a problem there. Okay. What Gaygar did was absolutely legal. everything he did was legal and a fight was stopped based upon damn believing that it was illegal

and that's part of the you know you look at what goes on it's like god same situation I'm not sure if we're not sure we're not going to make the decision because I didn't see it but if I know that I saw that knee hit then I'm going to stop the action and do something different it's interesting you were saying that you're on your third career you are

but like listening to you you said earlier, cops make decisions. So like I see made you a better ref and now listening to this, I haven't watched one full Bellator fight, but I know already that I enjoy

watching a fight with you as a commentator because you actually know what you're talking about. Hey, you know what you're talking about. That is amazing. And look, if there's things that I'm going to know that, you know, Joe Rogan is has been probably the best color commentator for MMA that there's ever been. Jimmy Smith, who was with Bellator and is now with the UFC, he's phenomenal.

I love Jimmy. Joe Rogan set the, he set the standard. And it wasn't always so much, I'm not going to say it was always so much the skill level that he brought with it as far as knowledge, but he has great knowledge and the sport. It was also the excitement and the energy that Joe brought, you know, or does still bring, it just doesn't do it near as much. But that's what makes Joe who he is as far as calling fights. But there's things, you know, look, I've yelled at Joe.

You know, we had a fight where we had Tim Means against Charles Oliva, and Joe is sitting at the, you know, he's talking with Tim Means and saying, I believe that that was legal when I'm looking at a knee that I know is illegal. And it's not Joe's fault that he doesn't know. It's our fault for not educating him on it. and making sure that he knew because there's not only he doesn't know, there's other officials that aren't sure about that situation. And this is what's wrong with what athletic commissions are doing to our sport

is every official, every person, every fan should know what the rules of MMA are and understand, hey, you're not allowed to knee someone when their knees are on the ground to the head. You can't do that. And all of that is stuff that should be. easy for people, but we get confusion about what's legal and what's not. And there shouldn't be. Joe can't know everything. I happen to be one of the guys that, you know, wrote this stuff and put it all together. So I know it, you know, inside and out, you know, backwards forwards. I know it all. And at least I can sometimes communicate things to the fans so they understand this is why the referee

is doing what he's doing or this is why that was legal or this is why that was not legal. and they're going to get the right information the first time. That's why I'm happy you're doing this. You're still doing a podcast? No, man, I haven't done the podcast. I got yelled at by people in the UFC, so I got to stop the podcast. But that was, I might start another one, man. I want to be your partner.

Yeah, no. We're going to talk to Bellator. I'm going to sit on Lee. We got to fucking talk to Bellator, make them do a Bellator tonight. and, you know, kind of like what's those books they put out for dummies, you know, computers for dummy. They need to put one of those books. So next show in California, you want to come to them? Yes.

What is it? May 12. Am I in town? That's what I got to find out, man. It's in San Jose, though. That's California. If you want the next one in L.A., I'll get your tickets to the next one in L.A. I'll be in touch of you and stuff.

I want to go down and see it. I'm happy you came on, bro. Thank you for having me, brother. You know what's crazy Lee? I can't believe that we have Burger King as a sponsor and I really want to welcome

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Your wife looks good. That's it. You're in Vegas. You're a new fucking man. Thank you, brother. And I'll support Bellito. Now I'll watch that you're there. I appreciate that.

Thank you again. Lee Syatt, kill that fucking mule, will you?