The Church of What's Happening Now: The New Testament - #606 - Henry Rollins

Episode Date: August 5, 2018

Henry Rollins has traveled the world as a musician, author, and speaker. You will recognize him from his roles in movies (Heat) and television shows (Sons of Anarchy). He can also be heard as the host of his own show on KCRW in Los Angeles, and as the host of the Henry and Heidi podcast. Joey and Lee are thrilled that he joined us for this episode of The Church of What's Happening Now.  This podcast is brought to you by: FujiSports.com  - Use promo code CHURCH for a 10% discount on all the best jiu jitsu and martial arts gear.   Onnit.com - Use Promo code CHURCH for a 10% discount at checkout.  

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The Christ Killer, Lysayat, and your Uncle Joey, bitches, as good as it gets out of Birmingham, England. This one, he was John Osborne. Is it? Yeah. He was John Osborne here, Jack. It's a beautiful day to be alive Monday. have somebody in studio that I can't even describe how excited I am and Mr. Henry Rollins. What's happened? Beautiful.

It's good to be here. It's great to have you here. I was telling Heidi the brain supreme behind the scenes that Winston Churchill once said success is moving from area to area with great enthusiasm. And you are the fucking living embodiment of that. Thank you. You don't get bored at anything. My number one question for you before we even...

How the fuck do you go from Berlin in 83 getting hit in the head with a fucking bottle and being the nicest guy in the world? I mean about it. I get hitting the head in the bottle. First of all, I'm doing karate kicks, I'm bits. You're asking them why they did this to you that you had never done anything to them before,

which was just a beautiful composure to have as a young man. It's a great shot, that guy. That guy hits you. It's a great shot. And now, 12 years later, because this is what I go through, you're on a set. No, 11 years later, you're on a set. Opposite Buffalo Bill, Bill Buckingham, or whatever the fuck the guy's name. And he's from Buffalo, New York.

I did it a little longest yard, man. I used to torment him. And Robert De Niro. And you're sitting there on a trail, and you're looking at De Niro going, 12 years ago. I was in Germany getting hit in the head with a fucking bottle. And today I'm drinking. homagrano juice, you know. Well, I come from the minimum wage working world of the late 1970s.

I graduated high school in 79 and went right into the longer version of summer jobs, which I always had. But this was like 40 hours, 50 hours, you know, for keeps. And I just figured the rest of my life was going to be jobs like this because I had no, I had no direction. I didn't want to be like a sailor, a spaceman, banker. I just, I'll just work these jobs that are hard on the feet, live on top rum and noodles and live in an apartment with my roommate that smelled of our laundry because he was he was working

too and so I'd work nice he'd work days we kind of see each other passing by and um black flag was pals of mine and I did they needed a singer and they said yeah you're pretty crazy you want to audition and I looked at I was 20 black flags out here yeah you're but they were on tour and you're living in in D.C. Washington yeah and they were on tour I kind of knew them from like months before they came through DC and they said, you're pretty crazy. You want to audition? I'm like, that's my favorite band. And I looked at my life like, well, there's probably a job like this tomorrow if I quit this one, you know, $3.75 an hour. And so I auditioned and they said, okay, you're in. And suddenly everything was different. I said, so what do I do? They go,

you quit your job, you pack a bag, you give all your stuff away, and here's a tour or itinerary meet us as soon as you can. And within several days, I was on a Greyhound bus from D.C. to Detroit. I still have the bus ticket. I quit my job, giving away all my stuff, gave my records to my best friend and said, hold on to these in case I ever come back here. I had no idea what was going to happen next. And within two weeks, I'm living in a punk rock squat here in Hollywood because we didn't have a place to stay. And so I kind of come from, I'll try anything, because I'm not supposed to be in a movie or a TV show or on a stage. So anything. I'm supposed to be with an apron on putting extra fries with your shake. And so I just say yes to stuff. And I'm 57. And to this

day, it's all still kind of surprising to me. Like, hey, you want to be in this? I'm like, yeah. Just go do it. But I'm not ever telling you I'm an actor. I'm in this. I'm just like, I'm showing up and saying yes because it'll probably all end next week. You got to always figure. And that's kind of my story is like, yeah, I'll try that because I have nothing to lose. Nothing. You are like, I don't know. The first time I heard of you was in Boulder. And that's the way I look at my life.

Yeah. I look at you. First time I heard of you was in Boulder with music-wise. A friend of mine, a Snoopy, a girl turned me onto Black Flag. She also turned me on to the first Biggie Smalls out. Just to let you know the contrast. Eclictic. In her fucking world.

And, you know, I'm like, this is punk rock from the fucking. She's like, yeah, asshole. What do you think it is? then the second gentleman to introduce me to you was Mr. Doug Stanhope when I was out here in 1997 he was going to watch you somewhere something something you were doing and I go what the fucking every round then he put you on you know the thing I think he had an album I don't know what the fuck it was and you spoke you said something that whatever you were talking about something about music the connection you would have I'm not a tough guy you know I

I come across like a tough guy, but I'm a sweetheart. I'm a pussycat. I fear everything. And I came from another country. And what made the bridge for me complete, television opened up my eyes, but the bridge was the fucking music. You know, you made a statement that your records never picked on you. Your albums never made fun of you. Yeah, the semperfy.

Yeah. Your record collection is semperfy. It never abandons you. Your friends, they come and go. Sometimes you have to sue them. Yeah, there's that. But your records, they always stand straight at attention waiting for you to deploy, and they don't care if you play them over and over.

And if you take good care of them, they'll take good care of you. In fact, you can be kind of abusive to them, and they'll still kind of hang in there. So. You said that, and it just destroyed my insides because I think that's one thing that has been taken away from the American child today. The ability to save six bucks from their fucking paper route and walk two miles. to an album store to buy the latest Getro to allow. Skip the bus, skip lunch,

buy the record. Yeah, I did that. And you cannot wait to get home and put the album on without drugs. This is way, but no drug, and just read the lyrics. And thank you to the Sheraton for providing us,

you know, if you read the old Van Halenam, I would always thank the Sheritans. And that's been taken away from us. That's an experience that. Yeah, it's one of the downsides of streaming and digital. I mean, for me,

there's upsides to any advent in any technique. that I deal with, which is audio for sure. So online music and streaming allows you to be curious and not have to buy the record. Like, I want to hear Charlie Parker. So you can go online and listen to some great sides of Charlie Parker. You're like, that's my new favorite musician and go get the record. Or like, not for me, but you didn't spend $30 buying a record you can't use.

And so I like that. But rarely does your internet curiosity lead to a purchase. And so I like it when you hear some young band, you like them. Go buy the record. That band's in a van starving right now. Like, buy two copies. And when they come to town, go to the show. And that's how going to the record was for me growing up.

You'd buy the record and you'd see a flyer. That band's coming to town. Of course you're going to go. And I did a lot of, well, it's going to be a three mile through the snow walk home. Or I can get the second Van Halen record, which was like, that was kind of how I got that record. It's five, five bucks in those days. It was 1888 when I bought that record. But, like, you know, you look at your money.

You like, okay. and you just walk through the snow and you'd get home freezing with that record. And it was never not worth it. And the fact that you can destroy them pretty easily, if you don't take good care of them, you wreck them. And it gave me responsibility. The first thing I ever valued as a kid, like, I'm not going to screw this up with my records. Everything else, skateboards, bikes, I would just wreck them because you play hard. But my records, especially with punk rock, when like, it's like $7 for this single because it's from England.

And that was like a third of a day's pay to get that, to hear two minutes of angry music. And I treated that thing like a Ming Vaz. And I've had some of these records about 40 years. And they kind of look like the day I got them because I valued that. And I think a lot of that goes away when you can have a streaming account. Because music just becomes this thing that comes out of your phone. And it's not what Robert Plant wanted you to hear when he made that record. He didn't want you hear an MP3 through your phone through the,

the headphones that came with your phone. See, that's why I love about you that you have respect for the artist. Something that has been lost somewhere along the line. Like, I'm the same way. You know, Robert Plant did not want this album. I'm the same way. It's an older idea. It's an older value set, basically.

You were, you know, you and I would hike to the record store, and you'd sit in there and get burned by the snarky guy behind the counter. Like, what's that record? Well, if you knew anything. Like, dude, just sell me something good. I would get, like, harshed out by these records store guys. They eventually liked me because I'd hang out so long and ask so many questions. They saw that I was a true record fanatic, and they were begrudgingly were nice to me.

But a lot of that is gone. And the mecca of the record store, where you'd walk in, and there's always, like, those three guys with no lives, hanging around by the counter commenting on what everybody's buying. Like, well, you know, he was better in 76. so I'm just as an older guy I am I don't do that at record stores but I am one of those guys I am one of those guys I really have to like bite my tongue yeah you have that record the other one why are you getting that that that sucked that yeah everybody knows that he left the band before exactly he was having personal issues but and the guys looking at you like who gives the fucking

me on person I'm telling you now I'm doing I do this I go to atomic that's a great story right here a little atomic which I really like the guy a lot of records from them great people with you know And you can go to, again, I love Amoeba. Yep. On Sunset, Boulevard. I go almost every Friday when I can. Do you really? Yeah.

And what do you drop there? Like, I don't mean to pry into your business. The last time I was there. They always get you. The last time I was there, I did $326. Just because you. You got to have those records. You got to have those records.

I did 800 in cash the other day in Melbourne, Australia. It said 800 Australian, so it's more like 600 American. But I didn't hesitate. I had to have those records. When I spend money, you can tell by the way I dress. I'm not spending a lot of money on clothes. I drive a Mazda 6. When I spend money, it's mainly records.

Why, you vary in anything I've watched about you. You carry that fucking work ethic of yours, like a fucking torch. Most people, you know, they talk to you about being a Jehovah Witness. Like, if I let you, you would knock down people's doors and tell them the importance of getting your hands dirty. Did you have a paper route? Yeah. Oh, Jesus Christ. First job ever had.

Paper route. My introduction to the pyramid scheme of, like, you'll throw 80 million papers and somehow you'll get 40 bucks. I had that happen. That's how I got my first bike saved up for my Schwinn bike. I looked at it in the Sears catalog. Maybe it was a Sears bike who was green. And I'd look at it every day in that big catalog you'd get in the mail.

And finally I had the money. I took the bus up Wisconsin Avenue to the Sears, bought the bike. It looked just like in the picture. And I rode it home. And it got stolen a day later. But I bought it by throwing the Washington star. And Dan Rather was one of my customers. That's right.

You're a D.C. guy. Yeah. I put a new. I knew his son, too, is my age, Dan Jr. But I used to put a paper on the great Dan Rather's porch. Hey, you carry that. My next album, CDs will be called Immigrant Mentality. You know, I've been talking to Rogan about it a lot because it's when I finally started

having a little success is because I threw my immigrant mentality in there. I got to tell you something. Have you done a DNA test? No, yeah, I did. Was there a Mexican or a Puerto Rican in your family or a Cuban? Because you have Spanish work ethic. Like, you know, you were telling one story that you'd, on the weekends, you'd work 40 hours. You were in school and you'd have keys to open up businesses.

Yeah. By the time I was a sophomore in high school, I had the keys to, like, a few businesses. Like they gave me big responsibility because they knew I'm not going to steal. No way. And I could do the inventory. I could do the cash. I could make the deposit. And so I was not great in school, but I had like adult responsibility that I really

valued. I didn't care about school. I didn't like it. But I'd work like three or four days a week after school. And then on the weekends, I'd work nine to five at a pet shop, run home shower, jammed down the street and be an usher from six to midnight at a movie theater. And then on Sundays I'd work a day at a surf shop selling skateboards and repairing stuff. And then Monday morning bright and early back to school. And then

on the summer, I would like triple up on all those jobs and just work kind of like seven days a week. So I liked earning my own money. I like the autonomy of that. I mean, I didn't spend it much, but I liked earning it. It was not about like I have more money than you. It was about I am making my way in the world and this has got to be preparation. Because I just figure when I get out of high school, it's going to be really hard for me. I'm going to have to be really tough and just learn about what a big work week is like. Because I just figured I'm an idiot and I'm not going to, I'm not going to go to college and survive. I'm not going to go into the military. I'm not going to have a bank job. I'm not going to be, the straight world is going to be really hard to me. It's

going to be tough. And so I'm going to have to get ready for that. And luckily, both my parents, they're extraordinarily hardworking people. Like they're brutal. Like my dad is like scorched earth. He'd work all night, take a bus back to his place, shower, shave, new Brooks Brothers suit, go back to the office. And my mom worked for the government, so she was overworked and underappreciated for her entire career. And I'd go to visit him on the weekends Monday through Friday with my mom, Saturday and Sunday with the dad. And all of them, all weekend, they're just reading briefs, both of them. I mean, their weekend was getting ready for Monday. And I just got a lot from that. Was like, you just work all the time. And you never had to tell me twice to get a job.

I never had an allowance. I didn't want it. I liked my own money. The guy has the cool pants from the gap, like those painter's pants you like in the 70s. I'll buy a pair and I'll be cool like the kids. Buy my own skateboards. I just dug my own money. I didn't want an allowance. And I find, you know, break leaves, whatever it took. I just like being kind of in the adult world around adults, like seeing how money gets made,

seeing how like things get ordered. I worked in an ice cream store. I learned about inventory and how to make the thing move better. I made the guy more money because I had the place set up for, high volume sales, get the line out quicker. And I just enjoyed all of that. Now, you were 57, you said it thousands of times, you're not interested in getting married or children.

If you were to have children, where you would still the same values and principles of work ethic that you have, regardless of money or whatever, how would you raise that child? Carefully, because my parents were very, hard-driven people. And I don't know if a kid was really in their plans. They're kind of, oh, no. So what do we do with this one? I mean, they weren't awful people. I'm just saying they're like, oh, kid, okay. So what do you, what do people like you like? We like SpaghettiOs and the Smithsonian.

I mean, they're so busy. And so if I was a parent, I would not want to raise my kid like that. I'd be more like my old friends from D.C. who grew up and have kids now, they're really there for that kid. Like, we're doing the thing on Saturday, and then we got this, and he has the homework, we're going to go through it. And I'm like, wow, you're really being responsible. And so if I had a kid, I would have to radically change my life because I would see it as my duty. I'm not going to go on tour. I'm not going to do like, I do like 14-month-long tours. Come back for now and then.

But I'm not going to be talking on a tour bus to my kid after a show. Well, go like, where's dad? Oh, dad's in Buffalo. Well, no, screw that. Dad should be with the kid. And that says how I see it. And so I would, and I don't want to change how I live. So I wouldn't go on that venture unless I was willing to just radically change my life to not be a bad dad. Because kids, they don't, no kid is asked to get born.

They kind of come out and go like, dude, hook me up with a life here. Look, I knocked my wife up before you know it. I had no idea. They told me if you smoke pot, you got no sperm spells. I smoke pot with three hands. She comes in the office and then and says, you knocked me up. This was not in my plan. I had a child when I was young.

I failed as a father. The wife won't talk to me. The kid won't talk to me. I am. That big my child support. I did my legal obligations. It just didn't work out because of my career. I wasn't ready for it.

I had to pick one. Today, I only work on the road six days a month. You know, I leave here at four and take it to correct. And she's five. She just lost a second tooth when I was on the phone with you last night. Yeah, you kept saying, tell him. She kept saying, tell him, tell him that guy, that I lost my other tooth. I didn't want to tell her it was leave because then she would have said, but I feel like it's my obligation.

But I'm also at five, I instill that work ethic. Yeah. I think it's very important. I would worry if I was a parent that I would clobber the child over the head with my values. I think as a parent, maybe you find your way. Because everyone's a rookie when they first have a kid, and you're like, what do we do? But I would want to be careful that I wouldn't be too much. Like, here's how you got to be.

Like, that's not you. No, I don't know. No, it's not. You know, I would just be afraid of being too, like, here's how you're going to live your life. 20 years ago, I would have been that dead. Yeah. Today, after seeing what I've seen, I'm very open, whether I talk with her or she's five. I speak to her on the way out.

I have to go to work. I love you. I had a meeting at nine so I couldn't drive her to school. I cast and I tell behavior for your teachers and keep your eyes open you know and you know

the same with the shit my mom said to me keep your eyes open don't let nobody mess with you today you know there's a scene when you're AJ Weston and sons of anarchy at the end and you bend over to your son

and you go outside and remember don't say nothing to the police that was my mom growing up the police were always around my mom's bomb my mom would pull me over and listen remember don't say dick you don't know nothing my mom went to a dance

with her sister when she was 16 and the sister was 15 and my mom lost her and she felt she was responsible for us in Cuba so when she went outside to look for her little sister

she was getting raped and my mother took a bottle broke it and killed the guy stabbed the guy eventually died to had a ship her out of Cuba bring her to the States so then she went back

a couple years later with a Puerto Rican chick's ID because you know there's no 9-11 there was no TSA. They didn't give a fuck. There was a time you just showed up at the thing and said, I'll have the 7 a.m. flight. Who are you? Henry Rollins.

All right, Mr. Ron. I could use whatever. Now you have an ID. So when she went back to Cuba, she went under an alias. And when she came back to the States, that alias became. And then she opened up a bar

and somebody else had to do the fingerprints for the whole fucking deal. Wow, that's great. What a great story. Yeah. So she named her street name was, her real name was DeNora Valdez. But her street name was Sophia,

Cecilio. Do you go visit Cuba? No. Have you ever been? I left the three and let's just say, let's leave it at that. You know, I'm here. I'm having a good time. So what if you went back to you, you get chopped up or something? I think they wouldn't let me back in. Oh, okay. I think the government would go. I went once. I went a few years ago. What did you think? I loved it. Havana was a beautiful city. The food was amazing. Everyone plays an instrument, it seems. Every bar had an amazing piano player. I met this old, woman behind a piano, she's beautiful, and she had a big bowl on her piano for money,

tips and whatever, and a stack of her CDs. I said, I'll buy one of those, and I bought CDs from the local players. So they all have like a CDR of their music. I'm like, I'll buy all of it. Because it's like, you know, eight bucks. And you help, you know, it helps the local music scene. And I had one of the, a great, a great lesson that I get when I try, I've been to about 100 countries. I go pretty far and wide. I, I was, you know, I was, you know, a great lesson. I had one. I was, a great, a great lesson that I was, a great lesson that. I was, I was, thrown in a van with a bunch of people from Chicago. To get around, I kind of had to be part of a tour group. I missed the lobby call to go visit some farm that Fidel like winked at many years ago, so we have to go see it. Anything Fidel touched, you have to go look at it. There's a bit of a propaganda tour when I was there.

So I missed the lobby call back a minute. And I asked the guy in the lobby, I said, did you see a van? He said, yeah, your van just left. But he looked at the itinerary. He said, okay, your van's going to be at this farm in three hours will get you to that farm you can wait it out so they put me in the local bus and you pay like whatever it is like 50 cents and they explain hey get this idiot down to this farm he lost his tour group and the guy speaks no english hardly anywhere alone in this little school bus going down some country road we're outside of havana and he's trying to communicate with me he said hello i said hello he shook my hand he's like you know reaching over with his right hand from the steering wheel. And he said, uh, baseball. I said, baseball. We shook hands on baseball. He goes, me, Cuba. I said,

me, America. We shook hands on that. He's just, we're like toasting with handshakes. And he said, uh, you, like made it like a jet. And I said, yeah, three days, you know, and he said, uh, me, no, I want, yeah, I know, man, I'm so sorry. And we just kept, you know, shaking hands. And we got to this intersection where you make a right and you go to the farm. I figured I'll get out and I'll walk. It's like three miles. He is a public bus route. He deviated from the bus route to take me to the farm and he's kept finding all the English he knew. America, good. I said, Cuba, good. We shake hands on that. I shot the guy's hand like 10 times because he just wanted to be friendly and say, we can get along. And so when someone wants to demonize a country or says something about

Cuba. I said, man, you need to shut up. Because if you went, you'd really like it. And I had this great moment with this guy. Just the two of us on this bus. And he dropped me off at the farm, and they were very nice to me. And I sat there and read a biography on Lincoln for two hours and waited for the tour group who wondered how I got there. But it was just one of those great experiences you get when you get out of the house and you get into the world. But I had a great time in Cuba. At night, when I was back in Havana, there's that long sidewalk by the shoreline with a retaining woman. balladero okay and the kids just hang out there because there's nothing to do like a boombox and

they just they're just dancing yeah just being young and beautiful and i you know i'm some old man walking by and i would just walk amongst them just watching them be young and this is what you do on it at night you just hang out with each other got the music and i would just kind of walk amongst them every night and just kind of take it in and the air was great and uh i'd love to get back there you know you uh Do not consider yourself a religious person from over the years with me listening to you. I believe in the Stooges. You believe in the Stooges. I believe in Iggy Pop, so.

You know, you do so many great things that you believe in artists. You know, I always say that I'm not a comedian. I'm in the car my business. And when did that hit you? I mean, you say some beautiful things, you know, you support, you know that those three guys living in a van by their fucking album. Yeah. You know, you. Well, I was that.

guy in the van. Yeah, me too. We're all guys in that van. So, I mean, when did it come to you that we're not in the entertainment business? We're in the karma business. Early on for me, I come from punk rock. And so I've been in that world as, you know, a guy making records or whatever since I was 18. And the kind of music I always did, the kind of writing I've done, it's all like hard on sleeve kind of writing where people come up. That book you wrote, man, it got me through a 11th grades, I can't thank you enough. I go, okay. Or that album, I wanted to kill myself, but I put that record on.

I got through. And so people have laid a lot of really intense information on me. Like just stories that'll kill your lawn. And from that, I have a very human view of humans, as abusive as they can be, as infuriating as they can be on the news. I have these stories, you know, where I'm like, man, that guy just cried in front of me and told me about his friend who killed himself. They used to go to my shows and he misses them.

And I can't help but like people because eventually you hang out with anyone. As someone you hate the most, you'll get a story out of them. You're like, wow, okay, you're all right. You just, like, really made some bad decisions. I'm not excusing bad behavior. But as angry as I can get with Homo sapiens or, like, people at the DMV in line. You know, there's like those moments you're like, I kill them all. I keep coming back to the people I've met in my journeys through Africa who have nothing,

they'll give you half of it just because they're kind or you're lost. They'll walk you back to the main road just because they don't want you having a bad day. And I've had so many experiences like that. It keeps the guardrails on my road where the as angry as I get. I'm like, no, no, there's that guy I met in Haiti. He was real cool. And that's where it made me want to be a better person. So being talked to and told stories and traveling a lot, like going to, I've been to every continent, and traveling like that kind of rough out, you see a lot of tough existences being endured by humans.

And that hasn't softened me up. It's made my idea of humanity evolved. And so that's helped me with everything from my writing, what I say on stage. It informs what I say on stage, in forms like columns I write from what I've seen out in the world. So, you know, in this country, it's a great country, but we don't travel as much as I'd like us to. So when you hear some people, they'll talk about some country or some landmass, and they're like, well, they're all like this. I'm like, so when was the last time you went? Well, I didn't go. Like, well, so you really don't know what you're talking about because I was there. I'm no expert, but that part of the world invented geometry.

It was the first country who ever had translators for they could have books in different languages. So don't write them off as people who are scratching in the sand that fast. and so it's kind of just life experience, but in an extracurricular way. Like when I'm not on stage, like, you know, you tour, I tour. Touring gets me to like 19 to 21 countries per tour, like Europe, America, Canada, South Africa, New Zealand, Australia, Kiev, Russia, wherever. But it's all the extracurricular travel I do just to go see a place. And that's what got me to Cuba.

That was what got me to Haiti, Pakistan, North Korea, places like that. So I just go and dig the humanity. I'm not much on nature, like the mountains. That's nice. But I like cities and watching human mechanics. Like, how are you making your living? Where do you live? Do you live in that?

Can I come in? Can I see how you get through your day? Like hiking through the slums in Bangladesh and just like for days and just like, okay, what do you do for a living? How do you make this work? And that kind of thing has really informed me how it informs my politics and just kind of how I see the world and how we, go forward as a race, as a species. What I see with you that's fascinating is that, you know, most fucking people go to Hawaii or, you know, Italy.

Al-La pasta fresca. That's all good, too. And they go to Greece and have the olives. Not you. You're going somewhere where there's fucking something going on, bitch. Yeah. Like, we're going into, you know, something where there's something going on. That's what I'm going back six pounds lighter and hopefully without an internal.

Now, what's the fear? Is there any fear level when you go to these places that you might? No, just an awareness and studying any place I go to beforehand and study mainly for the culture. So if you're a single Western male in an Islamic country, there's a few ways of the road that will really help you. If you're alone with a camera, a nice camera, you got something you need to protect. And so you don't walk up to a woman and go, hey, how do I get back to my hotel? Ask a man. Just don't walk up and talk to a woman.

And is this not the way of the walk there? So learn where you're going to be going. Learn and always be polite. Politeness, if you're especially, I have no backup when I'm in these places. Politeness goes a long way. But being culturally aware alleviates a lot of uncertainty. So you kind of know how to be polite and not to blow it and get on anyone's nerd.

Especially if you're like walking the streets of a city alone where there's like tough guys who want to roll you. Because I'm not a tough. I'm not going to fight. I don't want to fight. I just want to get me in my camera. in and out of that place. And so it's a bunch of preparation. But fear, no.

I'm not a tough guy, but I just don't have a fear quotient, really. You know, I used to go to up. I had friends growing up, and I would go to Harlem at 4 in the morning, and I could buy an A ball or a machine gun or a bazook or a pound of Coke. And my friends would go, you know, how the fuck do you do that? Are you not scared? And just because I think I saw that other side, didn't make me scared. That's why you have no fear of it. You kind of have to know where you are

and you know don't be naive you can get cut up anywhere. I mean we're in southern California is a pretty rough patch of real estate. I've almost been killed here a couple of times and so you just need to be just kind of always aware bring your New York with you. I mean if you get mugged like you didn't see that coming that guy was telegrafting a block away he sized you up and you know you've seen like three guys one guy's the muscle one guy's the lookout one guy's the distraction. I've seen the three, I've had one time in Bo Paul in India, like the three guys are doing the thing and they, I said, oh, so you're the distraction. There's the muscle and there's a lookout, right? And they're like, oh, dude. They just like walked away. But I said, good try, though,

good try. You know, I used to live in New York. I seen that. I saw you guys when you walked in. And so you need to just kind of know, just be looking around. Did you ever go to Brazil? Like, when they just had the Olympics there, I saw them doing the pickpocketing and like they were regret, like not trying to hide it, but like really aggressive. In Brazil, you got to watch it. That's a place where Eve and I don't want to walk around at night. Because I'm just not looking to get cut up. Like, good wisdom for traveling in Brazil. Never leave your hood. Like, I'll leave with no money. Like, that's how you get stabbed.

40 to 60 bucks. Have something they can take. So they go, I got over on him. I'm not going to stab them. Because if you have nothing like like he's like, you gave me nothing. So always go out with a little bit of money. Leave the watch and the ID. But, Bring some money so when you do get robbed, you have a little something. You're absolutely right. Leave something for the mouse. I've always said that.

As a former thief on the other end. If you had something, I'm taking something. You've got to leave something for the mouse. You've got to give him something. And here I left because, and you got a thousand in your sock. You understand me? The real guy got a G-note in the sock. Who's going to take a shoe off?

I ain't got that type of time. But I go for his pocket. He's got the small 40. And I go off. I'm robbing in volumes. I got four guys at $40. that's fucking 160. I'm doing something.

You know what I'm having a party. And that doesn't turn you off for, I mean, maybe going back to that place, but that doesn't turn you off for traveling in general? No. That's part of the fucking, that's it. It's part of it. And you didn't see it coming. And you learned a lesson.

Like, how come about I didn't see that guy? I got to go study that street better. And so having that kind of awareness has really helped me navigate. Like, when you travel alone almost anywhere in Africa, man, you better just be looking around. Because it's just, you know, everyone's looking at you because you're not from there. I mean, like, you do not look local. And I heard Nigeria is the number one place in the world where they just rock you from A&C.

Well, there's a lot of time. Yeah, but they're trying to rob you at every level. Yeah. The restaurant. But a lot of Africa, there's just people in need. And they see you, when they see your Western type, they just immediately think money. And like, I'll get his shoes. He has more.

And you see. I watch families there in like, you know, and they're in the city center or whatever. And you just, they're just getting everything. People coming up and putting stuff in their hand and trying to charge them for it. I saw that a lot when I was in Egypt. And you see those kind of travelers who don't know how to kind of slip through crowds. And you just got to be way more low key. They wear nice clothes.

They just kind of stick out like peacocks. Like, hey, hassle me. And there's ways to kind of, the street guys will follow you. And they try and get you into conversation. And you just kind of politely go, no, I'm not the guy. Try him. I'm not him. I'm not that guy.

Now this year you're starting a tour in the States. Yeah. But then you finish the tour overseas. Yeah, I'll be finishing. 1215, I think you're on December 15. I finish in Kiev, Ukraine. And what do you do with 1215? You come back.

You sit over there for a couple weeks. Here's what I was thinking of doing. I was thinking of getting out of Kiev. I'll probably have to go either to Frankfurt, London, or Shepole, Amsterdam. that's the airport. And from there I was going to go, I think I'll go to Reykjavik, Iceland, so I've already mapped out the three record stores. So I figured I should do that on the way back. I've never been. And it's a hop. I can be out of any one of those airports, I can be there in three to five hours. So how great is that by Sabb, bloody Sabbath in the States and then

go to Germany and see the UK release? I have all of them. No, I'm that guy, unfortunately. Really? Oh yeah, I have to have every pressing. If it's a record I like, I have the test pressing, every different pressing, because there's something different on the label mastered by a different engineer. I'm sadly that guy, a train spotter, but for records. You're this anti-Hollywood guy. I heard that you live very modestly, very plainly, but you sank a ton into your music system.

Yeah, I have a few systems, yeah. so important to you. What? Unfuck it. Like, I love music. Listen, this is my life. Yeah. I would have done this.

I just didn't have the patient and I knew because of the drugs I would have pawned the guitar. Right. I would have pawned the guitar and the marshal. I know that already. I know that already.

I ended up with this because at 32, this was it. Right. This was it. And the microphone is screwed into the table. Yeah, this is it. But this was my original dream.

It's so weird how I don't have understand how people, this is my therapist. I don't need to go to a fucking therapist. I could sit down, put on that album by Richard Pryor. It was something I said, and it could take me back to that time period. Yep. And I could know exactly what I was thinking. I could feel the sorrow from that time period. I could feel the happiness from that time period. And I get to deal with it that way. You know, whenever I put, like when I bought Master Reality, the first time, I bought Master Reality. I bought Master reality and I went and I did

THC crystal which is basically Gorilla Tranquilizers and I hit an acid and I put Master Reality on it for some reason the Exorcist was on so I put the Exorcist I put Master Reality on the cans and I had the Exorcist

on and after like the third song I took Master Reality off and I never listened to it again. You do know that like I was like you ever heard again ever? Oh no no no like four years later I got the balls it's like when I first bought Hous of the Whole No quarter, I skipped over it right to the fucking, we got four already, but you can't wear steady, whatever. I wasn't ready for no quarter at 12.

At 18, once I did a hit of acid, I was ready for no quarter. But it was so weird how master reality I was not ready for. But the purpose of the story I'm telling you is this is my psychiatry, like it is usual in a way. That's when I met my happiest is when I put on a record. And I play records when I'm off the road. I try and listen to analog source literally every single day, minimum five records. I also try and buy one to three records a day, one way or the other. So there's always something coming in, and I'm always listening to something.

And where the fuck do you go? You just go to an Mibo. For catalog stuff, like say some band I like, they make a new record. I just wait for it to come out, I go. But I buy a lot of rare records, so I'm bidding on eBay against some other loser mail. And so I have a lot of those kind of records coming in. Old punk rock from Scandinavia, I'm buying those records. That's all mail order, discogs, eBay.

But I try and listen to records last night. I'll be listening to records tonight. I'm going to two shows over the weekend, so I'll be watching live music. But I try and listen to music every day, and I immediately become happier when I have the music on. Okay, so yesterday I put on that new hot band, Vettagram, Renovan, whatever. I put on two of their songs. Okay. Like the new leads-up one. Great.

Last night, I didn't go out last night. I stayed home. And then, what did I listen to earlier? I listened to something. The B-52's first album. Great record. I have it on vinyl, but I was at home, so it was on YouTube. And I went right back to 1980.

I went right back to the fucking place. I went to see him New Year Z when I ate a bunch of quailudes with my buddies. I remember the original guitar player. Yeah. You know, on that, like, his licks on my private Idaho. And I get to the point where I can't lie to you or the people at home. Like, there's times I go, when I'm listening to an album, let's say Black Sabbath, never say die.

Okay? I go through the emotions. Like, never say die makes me happy. Johnny Blade makes me happy. Great song. You're coming home again tomorrow. What's that one? I'm sorry.

It won't be for long with all the pain I've watched. watch you live with him. I forget. Once I get to that one, Junior's eyes. Yeah. Once I get to Junior's eyes, I start tearing.

I start crying. Yeah, there's songs on records, I have to skip them because I can't hear them. There you go. There's a song on Volume 4 changes. Tremendous. I can't hear it. Because I broke up with a woman

I'm still friends with. But when we were slowly breaking up, And I put that song, I'm like, I'm never going to be able to hear this again. And it's been, I don't know, 30 years. And I put it, I guess can't do it. When I would give Lee the acid and the drugs, I would put on changes. And I would tell him, you're going to go through some changes. Let's listen, Tony Bennett real quick, before I, on the second half.

This came out February 19, 1963, the day I was born. And my father used to always give it to my mother. When my mother, my father died, my mom played it every Monday. for him. So I play it on Mondays. To pick up the pieces. I saw him play once. Tremendous. I opened for him once. Incredible.

I opened for him once. I had a bag of dix, but I opened for him. He had the same bass player forever. I've never seen any performer have an audience in the full possession. It's faster. He had him, like he had everyone in there, me, everyone. It was a 10. It was a jazz festival. in Switzerland somewhere, Germany, and in less than a minute,

we're all in the palm of his hand. I'm like, what is this? He just has you. And he's charismatic. He sings great. But the charisma, I was like, what just happened to me? I'm in this guy's lap.

He was incredible. I don't think I've ever experienced anything like that. And all of us kind of leaned into him is amazing. I'm the type of person that's very hard for me to get a prop out of me, but I give props when they do. And in my world, where I've been and what I've seen, you are the real deal. I tell you this, because it's like most people do things a certain way. You did it backwards.

And when I say backwards, I mean that, you know, he's getting into comedy now. So I love him like a little brother. We've been working together for seven years. I'll take a bullet for this guy. He knows I breathe. I break his balls. But he knows I breathe for him. He goes to the hospital.

He needs a lung. If they take that lung with THC and whatever, and his body, it's his. So I try to keep him under my wing. I pamper him in a way. I don't want him to go through the pain. I went through as a comic, which is wrong. He has to, like I told him the other day,

you got to go to Oklahoma. I want to see how Jews doing Oklahoma. You know what I'm saying? Before Jew could play in New York, you have to fucking Oklahoma. If you can't do Oklahoma, then you got to keep going back to Oklahoma until you figure out how a Jew can play Oklahoma.

Were that Lenny Bruce is the Fives on Lima, Ohio? Yeah, yeah, Leap. I told you. Being a Jew in New York and L.A. is all right. Once you go deep, they don't come up to you and touch it. Like, man, we ain't never

touched the Jewish person before. And you're like, so here you are, this kid, hog and dyes, whatever the fuck. You know, you're not doing drugs. You're working. Black Flag, audition. You're in front of these fucking punk rock people that the kids today have

no idea. Like, they got to see Sound Guard and Pearl Jam with the pit and jumping in. That's funk there. But what you guys endured in the 70s, and early 80s, was brutality. Much different. Brutality. And I'd be a kid, and I couldn't wait for Martin the Fagg.

I would be by the basketball court. And Martin Fag would catch the New York bus about 7.7.30, which meant he had to walk past 38th Street Park about 6. I wouldn't even go home to eat just to ask Martin the Fag What are you going to go see tonight?

And he told me black flag He wouldn't say black flag I'm just saying he would say You know Hitler's dick You know they all had weird names You know here I'm starting to Because I was such a Catholic That I wouldn't listen to white music

Led Zeppelin And they were devil music So I would listen to black music at the time I would listen to a lot of earthwind and fire And just I had the temptations And shit like that's all good But something about punk rock fucked me up a little bit. Like there was no video, there was no on TV,

but just the fact that people were yelling, and so I would go to him, who were you going to see tonight? And he would tell me, I gotta stop and get poppers at East West. That was the big record store in Union City. If you ever go to Union City, they had all the, anybody who played the garden, that's where you would buy the illegal shit.

The people who taped the concerts. Oh, what, concert cassettes, the bootlegs? The bootlegs. you would buy him at East West. So you know, like Bonzo's birthday party. That's a great one. That's a famous. That's a famous one.

You know, the drummer from... They made that one over and over again. The drummer from Led Zeppelin. And, you know, I would ask him all these fucking questions. And yeah, he was gay, and it was tough being a gay man in 1975 and six. You know, some weeks he'd have a black eye. Some weeks he'd have a missing tooth. It was always something with him, you know.

So here you are. Young man going in front of little audiences. And then you go in front of the little audiences. in front of these fucking, I mean, they're guerrillas. These people at these punk rock concerts, and you even said it that. You learned a lot when you went up in front of, there was a big difference between 350 people

than 3,500 people. I think you got your balls lit on fire. They would pull your hair. You learned how to control an audience. Yeah, there's no barricade in a lot of shows. And so people just can come right up and just hit you. I mean, or on my legs,

I have scars of, cigarette and cigars that they would just put them into my legs uh some they would take their keys and try and uh stab you in delicate parts of your body um if you shaved my eyebrows you'd see lots of scars and i see one here is that the one from berlin that's this is from brazil i need myself in the head and santos and broke my head open but um the one here that's a boot uh the one here that's another boot i got kicked in the mouth i mean Ashtrays, cans, fists with rings. Someone just walk up and just like punch you in the face and like, and their friends go,

yeah. And you're like, that's, I'm bleeding. And I didn't have the money to get stitched up. So I'd give like the clinic or whatever a fake name and just sit in there and get stitched up. And finally I just stopped bothering. So I got these crazy scars on my head from like things being thrown or people coming up and hitting you. And that was the first five years I did music with Black Flag. The audiences could be pretty hostile.

And that was in America, Canada, Europe. They're just, you know, you'd get, you know, some drunk guy or, you know, when you're young, you know, we're old now. But when you're young, it's that ram at the base of the mountain in spring where the 20-year-old has to fight the other one. Like, I'm going to kick your ass after the show. Like, really, am I back in school waiting for 3 p.m.? And like these, if I had a dollar for every time a skinhead girl would come up to the van in the afternoon, we're in some parking lot of some bar we're playing. My boyfriend's going to beat you up after this show.

I'm like, okay, thanks. And that guy would materialize at least half of the time. You're like, oh, yeah, I heard about you. And you'd have to get into it. And then love the gear out. My introduction to you was really on Ari's podcast. I was really the first time I really sat down and listened to you. And I looked you up.

And I've been in podcasts for six years, and I hate, there's a very hacky thing where people talk about hate online now. But when I looked you up, they were talking about you. having a fight during the show, fighting the audience. And I get blown. Like, even hecklers are like, that's the top for me, like a heckler. I can't imagine during the middle of a show punching, like having to have a fist fight with an audience member. It was, it got so utilitarian. Like, okay, get through the course.

Got the course. There's a lead. Bam, hit him and get back before the bridge. Because, you know, you're going to have to pop this guy because he keeps swinging at your head. Like, okay, I've got to get through the verse. otherwise the guitar player will be you know get a demerit or whatever so you just became like it's tuesday evening crack back to the song where you just it just became part of your like because i don't i don't have a stomach for that kind of thing i'm really not looking to get in that situation so i'm not

good at it but by 85 you're like ah another night another boop some guy and it was all neutralizing and not starting anything it's always like neutralizing the thing or the guy waiting for you after the show like i have to neutralize this guy because i still have to load the the gear out. I still have to drive to Nebraska and sleep in a Denny's parking lot next to another smelly male and we're all just drying off from the show. It was that life you live when you're 20 something and you know, you're kind of bomb-proof and you can do it. You still speak to anybody from Black Flagg? No. Only through attorneys. It's, you know, it's the modern age. We only get together to litigate. Now in 96, when you were opening for Ozzy. Yeah, that was great.

And he became, because I got to tell you, my mom died at 16. I was lost. And between sabotage, this album behind me, Megalmania. I was in love with this girl. And every time her and I would have a fight, I'd take a hit ass and go home and listen to Megalmania. That was my breakup song, you know what I'm saying? I don't know. What is he saying?

You know what's all I'm talking about? Fuck me, you know, that whole fucking thing. And now instead I won't be laid by you now. well fuck me like that whole thing that was my process every time i broke up with the fucking girl and you just toured with this lunatic and to him he was your world i mean what was that like the first time i met osie how did you even mean that um he we got the offer to do some shows of the aussie and this is the henry rawlins band's band there's wrong wrong and i i said yes on behalf of my bandmates and they were kind of lukewarm into it we're in the middle of trying to

write an album so i said okay learn relearn the same we're going down on the floor to play with Ozzie. They're like, really? And I'm like, yeah, throwing my weight around. And smile, we're playing with Ozzy. I wanted to meet that guy since I was like, what, 12? So we go to this like 20,000, you know, like his home or these mega places. And where you take the golf cart, like four floors down underneath the field, where the utilitarian dressing rooms are, like those showers for 80 people.

And we're sitting under these fluorescent lights on the benches, and there's an apple, a can of Coke. and like a banana. That's like the backstage. We're like, wow, the big time. And the door explodes open and in comes Ozzy with a cigar in one hand. He's like, which one of you guys is under Rollins, man?

I said, I am. Hey man, my name is Ozzy, man. Thank you for being on the tour. I hope you have a really good time, man. The PA is really big, as played as loud as you want. Blot him if you want. Have a great time. Ah, you left.

And with the whole total time, seven seconds. It was just fantastic. And I'm like, wow, I just met Ozzy Osbourne. It was like this hurricane. And all you can smell was the tobacco, the cigar. And so I said to the guys in the band, I said, fellas, no one in this crowd wants to see us. They only want one band. It was like typo-negative, us, and then Ozzy.

And so we played, no one threw anything at us. I was like, okay. And I went up, you know, showered, ran back up to the top to watch Ozzie because I'm a fan. And he's standing on stage right where if he goes to his left, he'll be walking on. under the stage and the band's out there and he's kind of standing there and I walk up hey how's he how you doing he says there anyone out there I said it's like 25,000 people I mean yeah it's packed I said what do you mean is there anyone out there he's like I always get nervous no one's going to show up I said when is when have you ever had that problem he said I can't remember

I just get you know I get depressed all day worrying if anyone's going to show up I went wow I said no I think there's a few in there and he just went back to kind of like just standing there with his hands in front of him. I'm like, okay, well, I'll just stand here with you. He went back to like this weird statue like state. And then Sharon Osborne comes up, Ozzy! And he's just, just your dentures fly out of your mouth. She just yelled out of him. She'll like, get out there. And he was just kind of spacing out and waiting for her to give him the shove. And he kind of walks out there, the flick, the switch is flicked. And he becomes like, let's go crazy. And the place went completely bananas. And they went in.

into whatever the first song was. And I watched him a couple of nights. It was like so much fun just watching him with that audience because the affection, they love that guy, but he loves them too. And it was really fun. And after that first night, I flew on the family jet to the private island, the hotel there staying at because I was going to stay with him. And it was just like living the Osborne lifestyle for like a few hours was trippy. I mean, it has the Ozzy logo on the side of the jet, the pilot's waiting. Good evening, Ozzie. How was your shows? We were this great man. We drank Diet Pepsi's as we flew to some designer island and he told me how they made the Paranoid album. He told me this great story about recording Paranoid.

How long were you on the tour? Like half a week. That's it? Yeah, that's all you needed. That's all you needed. It was all we were offered. You know, they probably just didn't have a band for that slot for like these shows and they threw it out to my manager. And like, we were lucky. Typo Negative was the other band. on the bill.

Wow. Great, great band. Great band. And really great. And I don't know if they had more shows. Like the next time I saw Pete Steele, like a year later, we just didn't, I didn't ask him if he did more shows.

I think he kind of knew them before I met them. I think he probably done maybe Ozfest or something. I think he knew them before. But I've known the Osbournes ever since. Like, I see them every few years for something. And like, you know, Sharon Ozzy, the kids are always like super nice to me. like they always remember my name and they couldn't be nicer it was like it's i'm a fan mainly i'm by records i go to shows and it's great when people that you really admire for whatever they do that

they're actually cool and um azi and all the sabbath guys actually they're all super friendly self-effacing they're extraordinary actually those hilarious people always making jokes it's crazy how you went from most people would have done it the other way they would have spoken world you went from this violent fucking punk rock world into this cool guy on stage telling your thoughts yeah with nobody punching you in the face now nobody lighting your balls on fire and now you know because i i don't know forget errol smith in 80 78 they started having problems joe perry left yep was replaced brad whitmore left yeah they did the night in the ruts record which a lot of people don't like and I kind of like but then they did the nights of the ruts

tour and it was the ruts i saw them open for ted nougent like in 76 and they weren't really that good and then years later nougain would open for them can you believe that shit well who's bigger than aerosmith so no and uh i went to see aerosmith at a place called the soap factory in richfield new jersey down from the chans dragon and my favorite best chinese restaurant in the fucking country. They just made the top 30 restaurants in New Jersey.com the best General Tiles cat you've ever had in your fucking life.

You understand me? They've been there the best agros. But I went to see Aerosmith there at the soap factory, which is like your local which was very sad. It was on the way out and everybody was really bad. Well, Steve was...

Yeah, Stephen was beautiful then. But he had some challenges. I saw them, the first time I saw them was when walked this way was the single so that would be uh... seven five toys in the attic tour first arena show ever saw they opened with rats in the cellar it's a good show we're in the cheap seats so we got like kind of broken sound and kind of rockets through the hockey arena and when it finally gets to you you don't know what song it is so it was uh does the smell of cheap arena weed and aeros is smith like two seconds later the slap

back but it was cool i told uh i met i met uh stephen perry years later and told him the story and and he appreciated it. Same place I saw Nugent and Van Halen and Led Zeppelin. It was the local hockey arena. It's gone now. There's, I think, a bigger one in this place. Yeah, Largo, the Capitol Center. It's where I saw Led Zeppelin,

and I saw Van Halen on their first album tour open for Nugent. I saw them open for Sabbath. Oh, yeah. See, that was a disaster. Yeah, I've seen photos of them as a group shot all mooning the camera. I still don't remember Bill. Ward snorting in between like we were sitting

so close to the right hand side or the left hand side that I remember watching him like in between takes like just put something on the snare drum and do a fucking line of me sitting there going holy shit that is tremendous

but they were horrible going home and going Was that the Never Say Die Toy tour? Yeah that was it. He called it a fucking jazz band. He didn't like he doesn't like never say that. Almost every show from that tour got bootlegged. And I have cassettes and LPs. How do they sound?

They're playing everything really fast. Because I think the whole band was coked. But they're going through everything like one point something speed. Like it's just like, whoa, guys, slow it down. But it's the same set. Like rock and roll doctor, all those songs. But every show on that tour got bootleg.

And I've got at least 10 or 15 shows from that tour just because they're available bootlegs in the 80s for cheap. Like two LP bootlegs. Same set. So right now, today, what do you say you got in the house? How many albums? Good question. I've never measured by number. It's a lot. It's just walls of them. And then there's boxes of singles, a lot of singles, and tons of cassettes. There's lots of music media

and six stereo systems. I just remember EP's buying the Rat EP. Yeah. Buying Missing Person's EP. Right. With Terry Bosio on the drums or whatever his name was. We had the sun on, Rainin. Yeah, he's a Zappa disciple. Yes, yes, it's a garage. Tremendous. Monster drummer. Monster drama. One of the guys that stuck out, like when I saw them. Steve Vias from those, you know, the day, those days of Zappa, he's another

incredible musician, really good guy. I met him last year. Great guy. How was it shooting heat? It was... So now I want to talk to you two more things and we'll get you out of here. I know you guys are busy to... I'm not in a hurry. We're on your schedule, truly. I have a... This is a short story, but it's a real one. I'm trying to remember her name. Because your 85 was 80, 94 was a great year for you. You shot

Pnemonic and you shot. And I was on tour with a band with a big, we had a big single that year. It was a great, great year on every possible level of a young man on tour. Before shows, after shows during the day, everything was fantastic. And we're making money so I could pay the band in full. We were living well. Everyone got their own hotel room on a night off, which was kind of a That took a while for us to get to that. So we're touring comfortably, but we're playing hard. And so things are really good. And somewhere in 94,95, I'm trying to remember the nice casting person.

She's really popular, very, very well known. Anyway, she brings me in to read for a part for heat. And it's one of those things where you get there at noon. You get there at 1145 for the noon. They're like, okay, they're running late. I'm like, really? I should just go, because I'm not getting this part. She came out and said, okay, you're going to get this part.

I really want you for this. Michael Manns listens to me. So just hang out, calm down. I was like getting all pissed off that I'm waiting. So it's like, you know, two hours wait because it is what it is. So I walk in, I do the lines. And he goes, okay, you're fine. But you have scenes with Al Pacino. And I have a very tense set because at that point, apparently, Pacino and De Niro, they don't get along for some reason. It's not my business. No one told me anything. But tension. So they said, I don't need any more tension. So you're going to get this part if Al Pacino likes you. I said, okay, what does that mean? He said, you're going to meet Al Pacino. I don't know if he likes you. You can have the part. If he doesn't like you, then you got to go. Because I can't have one more

iota of tension on this set. I'm going to. I said, okay. So what how am I? What is, what's going to happen? He says, you're going to have lunch with Al Pacino. I said, okay, so when do we set that up? He said, we're leaving right now. And we left the building. When we go to some restaurant near, we're in like Century City, and all of a sudden, there's Al Pacino. I said, Mr. Pacino, I mean, like, I didn't know what else to call him. I said, Mr. Pacino, how do you do? Call me Al. I said, okay, Al.

And we had this great lunch. He's hilarious. He's really friendly. And at the end of the lunch, he looked at Michael. Man said, Michael, I like him. And that's how I got the part. And every day I had scenes with him, there was one scene where my body double gut. thrown through the window. That was not me. It was my stunt double, who actually had to go get

stitched up. He cut his head open after the second take. Anyway, so there's that part where they cuffed me because I'm a bad guy and they wait not get like hauled out of there. You're in the same with the Indian also. They come to get you. West Studio? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they come to get you in the apartment. So that scene ends with me cuffed and so Michael Mann film. So the cuffs are real, the guns are real, the bad guys are ex real bad guys. Everything's real. And so I'm really cuffed behind my back, sitting on this couch waiting for props to come and uncuff me over and over, like 80 takes. And it's a big film. I'm low priority. So it's like minutes to get uncuffed. So I'm just sitting there cuffed. Al Pacino would sit and keep me company. He's a really nice guy. He could

have gone, you know, and done something else. He would sit with me and just mess with me, put his arm around me. Give me a magic marker. I'm going to put a mustache on him. And he was just so cool to me every morning Henry how are you I'm like I'm better now how are you not so good and he tell you what was the matter and he was nice to everyone on that set and that was just a a huge moment for me is like some BS artist actor I haven't taken lessons I just like what the fuck am I doing totally Jesus I always get worried that the Hollywood cops are going to come and like all right come here my aunt damn it they figured it out and I was just every day I'm on that said like what am I doing here and it was just a great

thing you know people love that movie and even in airports to this day they go like you're that dude in heat right I'm like yeah thanks and that sounds just a lucky break it's a small part anyone could have done it but um it was just really cool to have those moments and watch michael man work I mean he's a genius director now did you have anything with dinner on that no sir only a phone call where we both did voiceovers they right right right you're talking to a you're talking to a dead man on the line that one and uh you watch the movie we're having a conversation but um if i i was i did uh cole bear a couple of years ago and he was on before me and they kind of get him in and out of the building you never see him and i i wanted to meet

him of course and i i wanted to say hey we had that distended conversation uh in heat now that would have been my opening line but i never got to meet him you know it's funny i i did two movies with him the first time i didn't really have any contact with him i saw him and i saw his social uh Like he has like a he can't be around crowds. It was a he seems like he keeps himself to himself. You know, Michael Rappaport has the funniest joke of the year. He says that De Niro didn't say nothing for 30 years until Trump became president. Now he's talking.

Yeah. Trump made the Niro talk. It's interesting seeing him. It's 30 fucking years for him to say anything. But just seeing him on like talk shows like Colbert or whatever like, whoa. You'd see him doing tours to promote a movie and he's so uncomfortable. He was so uncomfortable. He just.

doesn't want to do it no he just wants to do the work i think he didn't like i i saw him one time and it was so bad that i saw him do oh oh oh oh oh oh when he got the actor studio oh oh god the guy was asking the question he'd go you know what it is he's just not that guy's just not that guy no he just not that guy he just wants to do the work he's a true artist and it's so funny when no i think that we all have a little thing i all think we all you need your time or you're an only child Are you not? Yes, sir. Okay, I'm an only child.

So you know when it's time to go into your room. That's most of the time. That's most of the time. I'm a pretty solitary person. And that's what you, you know, we all have this ying and this yang. And we shine in the ying and our yang is where we don't shine. And his acting abilities and his little things are great. And, you know, at that time they shot the Supriottos in Jersey on that same fucking street.

So when they found out they were shooting out, they were shooting out and analyzed that, they went down there. There had to be, you know, 9,000 people on the streets. I'm shooting my scenes with Anthony Lumpagli. I got nothing to do with De Niro. But I just want to get a glance of the guy. And at one time,

he didn't know that these 900 people were out in front of his trailer. And he opened the door. And it was like he's seen him and he fucking just slammed it. And they're like, Bobby, Bobby, come out. And he was like, But you know, that's not cool to have a trailer where...

Yeah, yeah, they just didn't know the logistics. They didn't know. It wasn't anybody's fault. They didn't know that the Sopranos shot in Kearney, New Jersey. They didn't know anything. Whenever I've been in a film with big talent, man, you can't get near them. No, you can't get near them. But this was just a faux boy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because we were shooting two cameras at once. So you had an beast camera. You know, when I shot Spider-Man, too, they were shooting B and A every day. Well, just getting done. Yeah, you're just getting it done. It's a $200 million. dollar fucking budget so we're ripping through you can amortize it down to an hourly right i learned

that on bad boys too they said you know this movie takes this much an hour to make i was like i never thought of it that way producers do are you kidding oh yeah you know have you ever shot in new orleans no i've done a lot of shows in new orleans it was funny the rip james gandleffini he did a jane he did a shone who played uh piccoli jess bekoly sean pen showin movie and he went to a strip clip the night before and somebody put a roofie in his thing and he didn't wake up and make the scene and he had to pay the day rate the day rate was $450,000 yeah he paid it because he was now there he said before you yell at me I just do what I did on the sopranos I just pay the day right what is it because he would disappear from the soprano for three days of the time

yeah they just had the autopsy of james game buffini on true TV whatever that all time have you ever watched that show no they have the autopsy the last the final hour was her people oh yeah no i've seen that i didn't know they had the final and i watched it just to see if they would talk about the drug problem that was existing oh i didn't know yeah i said yeah nobody really knew they had it because i'm a druggie yeah i'm a druggie so i knew people in new york that said oh you're fucking nazi but uh i don't know what the fuck we're talking about here i lost my consciousness in new orleans uh new orleans where what was the daily rate the hourly rate like it's fucking huge yeah it's no joke that's why you i've never late to

things like that because I you know I'm never late anyway but uh you see what these producers are up against because they got Sony or someone breathing down their neck and then you have a you know a difficult actor he's not coming out of his trailer like oh no i don't have been in films where he's not coming out of his trailer for another hour because he didn't get his 12-hour turnaround and he's he's mad and uh henry do you mind doing your scene to a different actor i said man just give me a sea stand with a smiley face on a post it i'll just do the scene just keep moving See, you and I are very happy. I've noticed that in all the things I watch about you.

Happy when I'm working. Even on Rogan, you said something that it was so therapeutic that I did it recently, and I'm a better comic for it, I'm a better dad for it, and I'm a better everything for it. You know, I'm a fucking criminal. You know, I went to prison, I got a GED, I got left back on the seventh grade. My mom died, and I focused on that.

And on Rogan, you said that one day you wrote a list of all of the albums you wrote, the books you wrote, the music you wrote, the movies you were in, the TV shows you were in. And I did that recently. I was feeling like shit before I shot the Netflix special. And afterward, even worse, you know, I wasn't going to pull a fucking Bourdain. I'm not known for that. I'm a fucking Catholic. I can't leave here to go to hell if you're already in a hell. but I actually did what you said,

and I look at my accomplishments. I stopped looking at the person who I was, and I started looking who a person I became because of your list. Oh, wow. That's cool. So I just want to let you know that that list just got me one of the toughest times of my life at the age of 55. I didn't look at, you know, that's why I always tell comedians,

get a fucking day job. Because when you don't have a day job, You don't think about what you have. You think about what you don't have. Henry Rollins just got heat. Well, how come I don't fucking have heat? You know why you don't have heat? Because you're not fucking in a day job.

You wouldn't be thinking about heat. You'd be thinking about fucking working. And now the time that you do have, you're more focused. And what the fuck you need to do instead of spreading your day after 11 hours. Nobody's cover 11 hours when they're a comic. There's going to be some porn. There's going to be some you porn jerking off. There's going to be some music.

But if you have something for five hours, that takes your mind off of the things that you don't have. You've always been. You know exactly who you are. There's no faking you. You didn't show up with nine agents. I mean, from A to Z, you're just a gentleman, man. I try.

I have a good days and bad days. Oh, no, we all do. We all do. But you, like I said, you have, you're the reason why I do a lot of this shit to wear. After I saw you on Rogan, you simplified a lot of shit for me. For somebody who didn't like school, you're a fucking genius where it's necessary. Like, who gives a fuck about geometry?

You are what intelligence really is. You are a circle. I'm not blowing smoke up your ass, you know. So I'm really happy that you took the time. I don't want to say the word promoting. It's a shitty word. They're going to watch it because you're the artist that you are on, August 10th you have something coming on

on Showtime. What's the name of it again? It's called Keep Talking, Cuck Sucker. Say one more fucking word and I'll stab you in the eyeball Yeah, that's it, that's it, yeah, change the title. And this is spoken word. Well, it's just what I do up there. A lot of it's funny, but I'm not Very funny. I don't write funny material. I just kind of comment on that which is funny, so I just report from the field

and sometimes it's funny, but sometimes it's not. It's very funny because it's subtly funny. You have a line about work that you didn't want your life to be a Bruce Springsteen lyric. I almost died. And I was, I would have called you at home and said, no, because I grew up on Bon Jovi. What's that song?

We'll bust them out. We'll break their hearts forever. Forever. Never say goodbye. That's New Jersey lyrics. You know, we'll break that. We'll bust out. leave and we'll break their hearts you know we'll get out of this fucking dump you know like you use that to describe your work day like you didn't want to be a bruce i laughed my ass off i don't know what

video you said it on yeah when i was young i was like i'm going to be the guy in the song you know gonna knock up the local girl and i'm just going to see the end of my life every day in this in a in a place like this you know whatever minimum wage job will be scraping away at and eventually you know i'll screw up with a girl and all of a sudden i'll be a Dad, and I'll be that guy in the song. You know? Just get the fuck out of me. When I got out of prison, I got married, I got a job as an estimator.

I thought that was the American way. My mother came from fucking Cuba for me to live this way, and I think I would have died of boredom. Yeah. I'm not putting the working men down. I know it wouldn't have worked for me. No, there's some people. They're just not friendly in the straight world. Like, you can't give David Bowie a day.

day job at copy mat. He can get, he understands how the machines run, but he just can't cope. And I realize early on, I'm like, I'm nuts. I'm not going to hack the real world or the straight world. It's going to hurt. I can do it because I'm tough enough to hack it, but it's going to be really unenjoyable. I need somewhere I can be a maniac.

And that's where music saved me. Because like, you know, it got like Iggy Pop. You can't give him a straight job. You'll just burn the play. I mean, or he'll forget to show up because he's just not in part of that world. And it's not putting down anybody. I respect anyone with a job. Is this that I realize really on, I'm not going to fit in, man, I got to find something for weirdos.

And thankfully, I found a whole universe of work for if you're weird. And that's how I live. I'm strange. Do you still feel in times that you don't fit in? Because I live that every fucking day. Yeah. I don't fear it or hate it. I just stopped trying to be bummed out that I didn't.

I really wanted to be like everyone else, like have the normal stuff. And I realized, I, several years ago, I'm like, no, it's just never going to be me.

So stop trying and failing and wasting people's time. And stop feeling bad about it because they're not bad and you're not bad. So just go be weird. Don't hurt anybody. And just go do your thing. And so I kind of went, I'm a stone cold weirdo. So I'll just go get that work done.

and not even try to hang. Did you watch Stephen Tyler on Joe Rogan? No. If you have a chance. I will. He's a great storyteller. He's, he told,

and it's, you look at the winners in life, and they all have little things, even though they have rough patches in their life. I mean, you have, you've lived a life that I lived, but I lived it with drugs and prisons and bullshit.

You've suffered, you know, with what happened, you were involved with the West Memphis, but you've had some ups and downs. You've understood. You understand so many things. You see, you witness a very horrible thing happen in front of you.

You know, I found my mother dead on the floor with a purple fucking left arm. You know, you see all these things. And you have the disposition and the outlook that you have. And it's just a fucking, if everybody was, if more people were like you, we'd have such a way better earth. Well, we'd have more traffic jams, probably less of, efficiency, but the music might be good. What was your favorite lineup of the Rollins band, all those years? The 87 and 92 lineup, because you had the great New Jersey, Trent, New Jersey rhythm section of Andrew Weiss on bass and Sim Cain on drums.

And that was just one of the most amazing rhythm sections I've ever seen in any band anywhere. And they were just loose and tight at the same time. They're like a slinky. There's elastic and precise and mathematical, but they could throw away when they wanted. And no matter what you put on top of them, me and the guitar player always looked good because they were so good. And then after that, I had a different lineup, which was the same drummer, different bass player, Melvin Gibbs, who's great in a different way. He's just more, just different, amazing. But that one lineup, it just had this elastic Sabbath P-Funk smashing thing that I really enjoyed. We would just go out there and just like smash audiences is flat. Now you as eclectic as I am, like, if I come to your house with some Hindu on a flute and I put them on, when you give them a listen to? Oh, I might have more of that guy's records than

you do. That's what I'm doing. Yeah, yeah, no, I'm that guy. It's, uh, I love music. I love, I buy it from all of the world. And I, and I, there's a lot of bad music. I don't like. There's a lot of shit I don't like that. I have disagreements with people. That's fair. You can't, You can't like it all. This is not enough time. It's been a pleasure just to sit with you. Let me see if there's anything else. I want to bring up, you know, the wall with the spoken burst getting stabbed.

The fucking story you told of the guy getting stabbed by the show. I relate to you. Oh, well, in the back of the venue, the parking lot? You didn't want to make it funny, but the guy got stabbed. That fucking killed me because I just did a show in Nyack, where the guy heckled me, got up to go to the bathroom, and two of the fans of the podcast, followed him, and hit him in the head with a bottle.

And the guy was bleeding on the way out, the cops were like, you want to press charge? He's like, I don't want to do nothing. I'm just happy to be here. He goes, this is the best night of my life. I got to meet Joey Diaz, and I got six stitches of some shit. You know,

describe to people when you're up there, that magic that you feel. Like, I don't feel I'm better than them. Oh, no. I'm with them. Yeah, for me, it's service. I consider myself like a blender or a toaster oven. I'm a component.

I'm like a frozen yogurt machine. Like, I want a pint, want a quart? I'll go all day. I output. And so let me make you a radio show. Let me put together a great show and let me go on stage and go on for too long and really knock it out of the park. I pay to go on stage. And so I love being up there.

And so for me, I have an obsession with the audience. And I always tell them, I said, I'm so desperate for your affection. your approval, you have no idea, and they always laugh. But it's true. I need them more than they want to be at the show. I really, so I don't have stage fright. I can't wait to go see them. I love those people. And when they, you know, they write me. I got to write them back. I meet him on the street since I was young. Henry, I'm like, yeah, man, hey, thanks. They go, hey, Henry, thank you. I'm like, no, I need you more than you need me. Are you kidding? Without you, I got nothing going on. I got no one to make all this stuff for. And so,

I've been up since about 5 o'clock this morning, working on radio shows for my little radio show on KCOW. When I'm sitting there like, well, that song has to go after that one. Okay, they're going to love this. I'm always in preparation to do something for you, the audience. And so when I'm finally there with them, I love being up there. I bring a stopwatch on stage so I don't go on for too long. I'm like, oh, no, it's like, I got to let you people go.

What are you doing? What do you mean? How much time? do you think is appropriate for you it's what I do is not appropriate it's awful no it's really bad oh my god it's like I'm looking into a mirror it's like I'm listening to my thoughts I look down at the stopwatch and it's like two hours and seven minutes I'm like no I have to start landing this jumbo jet a crap somehow and it's going to take half an hour to finish this story even with some edits okay and here's how I'm going to end the show and I look down it's like two hours 43 minutes I apologize I'm

so sorry. I'm so sorry. They're like, no, no, it's fine. I go, no, it's not fine. You have a life. Go, go get out of your. Go get back to it. So I think an hour of 50 is probably better. It's hard for me to get off stage more than after like two hours is minimum. And it's just because I don't want to. So, and on the last tour, we kept just trying to shorten the show. And anything that was less than two hours, 40, I'd look at my roadman and goes, I'd show them to stop. See, 233, I'm getting better, and you just laugh. And you always change it up your shows. Like you always...

This tour, you're doing something different. Well, this tour is really static. It's a bunch of slides I'm showing through a high-resolution projector, and I'm telling the story behind the photo. So the folder of photos does not change. I'll revolve a few, but the story is the story. When I'm on stage, just me and a microphone, it's like a set list for a band.

I've got the new album, you know, the new material, like this story, this story, this story. But within a month of being on the roads, I usually do, like, if a 30-day month, I do 29 to 30 shows. I hate days off. My next run is like 46 shows and 46 days. There's a night off, but I'm doing two sets in Portland. So I don't like nights off. And you do Mondays and Tuesdays?

Wednesdays, Thursdays, Friday, Saturday, Sundays and Mondays. And you feel that you still get the most out of the audience on a Tuesday night? Time on tour is fluid to me. It's always Saturday night. If they're there, Saturday night in New York. screw this. See, in my mind, I want to be on Saturday because then I get everybody that I could to come out. I feel like on Monday people are going to go, you know what, I got to work on Tuesday. And they do. And you don't always fill the place up, but you get who you get. And if you're smart,

you're happy they showed up and you rock their world. That's just me. That's me too. Yeah. But you know what? That's most performers, they just want to do a good show. Most performers I've met, no matter what music or comedy, whatever, they just want to kill themselves to do a great show for the audience. They just, it's not about the money or the applause. It's about doing something truly good and hoping someone likes it. And so what was exactly your question? Same stuff every night. Okay. Within 10 shows, something has happened in the news, like some country caught on fire, but I was there two years ago.

So now I can talk about the last time I was in Syria. And so I'll talk about that. Or something happened in this state. Well, here's what happened to me when I was in that state. or I was there when that thing on the news happened. And so I can connect a dot so that memory gets pulled into the set because now I can attach it to this. And so within a month of being on the road,

I have about six hours of working material just because I've been able to associate. I remember that, boom, it comes in. Or I have some interesting sociological opinion slash theory that I think I want to extol to the audience. And so within 10 or 15 shows, have too much material. So that's when I start rotating things through to keep myself kind of leaning into it. So I'm not pulling the string out of my chest and doing the talking doll thing.

And that way when the material remains kind of familiar, but not like I do put in that comma in the same place every night, I'm more in the moment to borrow the actor's term. Because I, like I said, I'm doing shows for like a year and months at a time. And I have to keep it fresh to myself. because an audience, as you know, you can't fool them. They have a canine sense. Like, they know when you're phoning it in. Even if it's one line, like, he doesn't want to be here. Screw you too.

And I can't do that to an audience. I can't do that to an audience. Right, you can't do it. Because, you know, you think of what their evening is like. They just got out of a cubicle. Babysitter, parking, dinner. That's a big night out. That's a big night out.

That's a paycheck chunk. They're like, okay, this better be good. And I think about that. It's not their money I'm concerned about us. time. It's their not, I don't concern about my money. I'm concerned about their money, but mainly their time. They don't get this Tuesday night back. So it can't be, oh, it's a guy on a Tuesday night. He's going to dial it in. Oh, no, no, no. This is your date night. You're going back home to the kids. You're up at 4 a.m. Feed the kid, go to the cubicle in the, in the bad car.

I get it. So I never dial it in. It's always like, you know, New York Saturday night to me. Listen, the problem I had the last couple months was I had so much respect. for the audience that I wouldn't let myself be who I am. But that's why they came. They came for you to be you. That's right. And I'm thinking, yeah, I'm trying to be a stand-up. I'm not trying to be the wild man who I am.

Yeah, just be you. And now they got a fucking problem. Ever since I did the list that you did, and I did a couple thinking, like I'm only going to the store. You know why I only go to the store? Because metal sharpens metal. I don't want to be fucking around no more. I was going to all these other comedy clubs,

and why? Why? I'm 55. I got a 5-year-old. I don't have this much fucking time. So now I'm going up there with predetermined material. But anything that comes into my fucking heart

straight from my balls that's real. I think it's funny, whatever. I'm laying out there. Fuck the order of the material. Fuck the organization. I'm going to give you an hour of my time that's going to rock your fucking world. And part of that was your mentality,

the immigrant mentality. and just this podcast to me keeps me in check what you said when these people come up to you on the street and stuff like that they say thank you for coming like last week i was in salt lake city they're like why would you come to long and i told everybody i go i could feel the love from you yeah because you're here of course i'm coming here i'm coming here yeah but it's so weird how when i went to so like i'm so thankful to be doing like when are you going to retire when they put you you you you in a fucking casket. Yeah, I don't, I can't think of it.

I can't think of it. That's it. I can't think of it. I don't know what I would do without them. Like if I didn't have a tour to get looked forward to or knowing it's coming up, I don't know. Because I've been touring since 1981, averaging up to about 100 shows a year for 30-some years. I don't know what else. I just don't know what else to do with time.

And I can, I can sit around if I want. I got a nice place. I got a record player. I can space out on the couch. But I would really miss. being out there it's going to be hard to walk away from it so still lifting you're still look good thank you and uh listen i can't wait to august 10th this has been one of the highlights of my seven year thank you podcast career just to sit across from somebody who was uh no hollywood

no bullshit when you get up in the morning your two feet hit the floor you look up and you thank buddha or somebody that he gave you another day for somebody to fucking rock you know what I'm saying like you know wake up absolutely so thank you for a.J. Weston thank you for telling that kid don't talk to the fucking cops cocksucker and uh August 10th I'll be supporting you and everybody on this church that listens to this podcast thank you will be supporting you for the words you said today man and you have an open door to come in here and I don't know whatever you have an open door here whenever you want to come all right and Heidi who takes care of you is you're very lucky

to have 22 years she's been running this show very lucky to have her in your life she's like my wife I look at it without my wife I'd be fucking who guts I'd be a piece of shit so give her a hug for me and we'll all be watching August 10th brother thank you and good luck with the tour

oh now once it ends the 15th when you restart because on the website on henryorilans.com yeah the tour only goes to 1215 oh the next big tour all do would be 20 20 20 So you'll take how much time off between 1215 and the next tour?

Oh, a year. Oh, yeah. Yeah, the next tour will be not a slide show. It'll just be me. And it'll be the big one. I do it like every presidential election year. I do the big lap. I do like Europe like three times, like festivals on and on and on,

the month in Australia. So I do very well there. So I do multiple nights. That goes on and off for 14 months. So it'll go from 2020 into 2021, if I'll go. according to plan i'm telling you what i'm going to do today out of respect for you for the last five years i've had a guy i've been bothering me gentleman greg and a lot of people my agents i'm going to get my passport i'm calling the attorney i'm giving i'm paying the ten thousand dollar fine i

have in seattle for the warrant for not going to uh i got a ten thousand dollar fine i got to pay seattle just wants to ten gs i'd rather fucking get raped in the ass by ten little midgets with big dicks before I pay the 10 Gs. That's a lot of money. For not going for fucking anger management classes. That's a lot of money. The guy attacked me at a comedy club and then I got to do it. So I'm going to pay the 10 Gs.

I'm getting the passport. I'm going to start traveling because I notice the certain beauty you have. And it's because of you travel. It helps. It really will make you understand America better. I'm done. I love America. It's great.

But you'll understand it better when you travel. I love South Dakota. I'm going to North Dakota next year. It's beautiful up there. Every spot of this. country but sitting here crossing me for this last hour I saw something in you that you got from traveling from meeting that woman in Tehran she's amazing for meeting that Cuban man and talking baseball baseball hey yeah

money want to nobody want hey you know so I love you brother thank you for inspiring me and you got me I got you back to the end of fucking time okay thank you very much in San Heidi my love I will all right I want to thank Henry Rollins for doing a great job and coming in and fucking blessing us. I want to thank Lee. I don't want to thank you guys, but most importantly, don't forget this Thursday night. Kansas City, here I come, bitch.

Full fucking house. Dean Del Rey's coming from the East Coast. We're fucking parachuting right into fucking Kansas City at the improv. Thursday 8 o'clock, that's the show to be at. Friday, Rogan's in town, so I get to understand. I understand. I ain't mad at you. I ain't mad at nobody.

My feelings have been hurt before. I went to prison. four years, you understand. But Saturday night, I'll see you then at the Kansas City Improv, ready to eat some fucking ribs farting the whole fucking deal. And then at the end of the month, Huntsville, Alabama, one night only Thursday, and then I take it straight up to Nashville the week before Memorial Day or Labor Day weekend. The summer's almost over, motherfuckers. And I'll see you in September and D.C. at the 930 Club, fucking Parks Casino, and then we're at to Wilbert Theta, myself and Lee.

There's like 30 tickets left for the second show, so you're fucked out of luck. And we're also at Connecticut at the Foxwood. Foxwoods on, but there's still tickets there. So do what you need to do. I love you guys. Have a great fucking Monday. Thank you for listening.

Stay black. Have a great day.