The Church of What's Happening Now: The New Testament - #672 - Lisa Loeb

Episode Date: April 3, 2019

Lisa Loeb, a singer-songwriter, author, and philanthropist," joins Joey Diaz and Lee Syatt LIVE in studio. This podcast is brought to you by:  Postmates - Get $100 of delivery credit to use in your first week when you use code: JOEYDIAZ when you download the app.     Onnit.com. Use Promo code CHURCH for a 10% discount at checkout.   Recorded live on 04/02/2019.  

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delivered to your house. Kick this motherfucker mulee. So the purple tape that what we were listening to is actually a really old record. It's back, I graduated from college in 1990 and I had been singing with a friend of my name Liz Mitchell. We had a group called Liz and Lisa

very popular on campus at Brown University and it was really fun that at a certain point after college, we decided to go our own separate ways. But in college, I often sang harmonies more than the lead. I wrote a lot of the songs, but I was more of the harmony singer. And so, I wanted to make a recording of these songs that I had written, but with me singing the lead. So I made this acoustic record in the apartment up on 52nd Street, 52nd between 9th and 10th, with Juan Petino, who went on to produce a couple of the other records I made. But I wanted to have something also that I could sell at shows. So we used to make cassette tapes. So we used to make cassette tapes.

we did a run of these acoustic tapes called the purple tape and it had about 10 or 12 songs on it that off that many of them later ended up being on my other major label albums but this is just an indie record that I put out myself and that I would sell at shows you know and um years later like 20 years later my friend said you got to put this you know you got to do something with this tape you have to put it out on CD so instead of just putting it out on CD the way it was I felt like I think I felt a little self-conscious like it seemed like it was back from the the early 90s, the font on the record, the photograph, even the performance style for me, singing and playing. It just, it felt like it was from a certain time era. I like to joke around

that my hair, I didn't even have the same hair products that I do now. Like, we, you know, the hair is like fluff. It was very 1990s. So I wanted to contextualize it. So instead of, yeah, the diphtly do. Yeah. 10x. We had something called 10x. It was very 1980s. You'd sneak into a club. You'd have 10x and you'd sneak into a club. But so I decided, Instead of just putting the record out as a CD, I decided to make it into more of like a time capsule. And my friend Andy Denhamark, who's a great journalist and radio person in New York, I had him interview me. So we did a full CD where we talked about each track. And we put the whole purple tape into context.

And if you look at the purple tape CD packaging, which, you know, if you buy a CD, if anybody buys a CD, it's a big booklet inside. And it has all these photographs from early New York City when I was living there and different friends, playwrights and just different people who were involved in my life back then who sort of started out with me in New York. They wrote about the time period and we talked about it on the CD as well. So it sort of put things in context. And then I re-recorded one of the songs called Snowday. And then, I mean, after that came out many years later, I put out some of those songs with the band on my major label records. So for me, it was just something I wanted to do. But there were so many

people who wanted to hear it that I decided to put it out. But I definitely needed people to understand this is not a new record. This is an old record. Let me tell you about what was going on during that time. You know, it's a, whether it's music or comedy, it's a process. Yeah. And I never, I knew your song. Yeah.

I watched on MTV. I thought you were adorable. And then while you were in that thing, I read something somewhere that you were the first person to have a top, single and not be signed and you were still like I just read this somewhere you were playing the guitar on the train in New York or something that's a very nice glam what is it like uh it it was actually more traditional I had been playing music ever since I was a kid all through college I did probably do some busking for fun my friend and I would we would do busking or like in Boston or wherever we were because it was fun to play in front of people but I was playing the clubs I was playing the bitter end and I was playing the lone star roadhouse and the wetland and CBGBs and CB Gallery and just a bunch of the clubs. The village gate. I don't think I played at the village gate, but I went to the village gate.

Yes, yes. I spent a lot of time. I lived down there for a while. And, yeah, we were just, you know, playing all the different clubs, either with my band or acoustically or whatever, different versions. So I'd been doing it forever. But the song Stay was recorded in that same apartment on 52nd Street.

We actually had gotten a demo deal from a record label. So there were some labels kind of interested. were kind of happening. We were playing it, you know, South by Southwest in this music seminar called New Music Seminar where we'd meet all the music industry people and there was some good interest, but I wasn't getting signed yet. So I recorded stay with my band in this apartment in New York City on 52nd Street. And Ethan Hawk was my neighbor. And we were also friendly. We met each other through some other actors. There was a guy named Josh Hamilton, who's an actor who I went to college with and they had done the movie Alive together.

It was funny. There was Ethan Hawk and his friends. There were so many guys we were hanging out with because Ethan had done the movie Dead Poets Society and then he did the movie Alive. And that was about a soccer team of guys that crashes in Columbia. And Ileana Douglas is also

in it. But there were just these huge groups of guy actors who were all friends with each other. And I got to meet all these nice, interesting, cute guys. We were all hanging out together in New York, actresses, actors, playwrights, musicians, and Just like the creative gang, you know? And I'd write music for Ethan's theater company.

But anyway, so I recorded this song with Juan, and Ethan was doing the movie Reality Bites, and he asked me for a copy of my song Stay. And the song went onto the soundtrack of reality bites. I mean, there was also music supervisors and people from the record company, and Ben Stiller was directing it, and he wanted to put the song on the record,

and they came to see me at the wetlands, and it was like a whole thing. But they put the song in the movie, and this radio station in Houston started, playing it on the radio and it went and everybody caught on it. It became a single with RCA records off the soundtrack from Reality Bites

and it went to number one without me being actually signed to a label. Tremendous. So it was really, it sounded, it was really exciting. I mean, honestly, there was a record label, RCA records. Once they started playing it on the radio, I'm still friendly with my radio promoter

from back then Skip Bishop. And he did all the things that record companies do to promote the record. But it did go to number one. And it's given me so much creative freedom because for the song to go to number one and have that much success without heavy record company involvement

on the creative side, I think that's given me confidence and also it gives, I think, usually, record company people confidence in my vision, you know, when it comes to making records. Well, I made a mind note when I read that, I go, for a girl, that's so, she's got balls, just playing out.

Yeah. So when I met you, that's why I hugged you. When I first saw you, I bidened you. I gave you a hug. I'm like, oh my God, she's a savage just like me. Totally. I know. I look like a little cat.

Yeah, you don't stop. I'm like a little cat, but I'm not. And you started your life in Dallas or something? I started, yeah, I grew up in Dallas. I was born in Bethesda, Maryland. My dad's a doctor, so we traveled around a lot when he was doing all of his training. And back when I was born, he was doing his military up at the Naval Hospital in Bethesda. So I was born there.

But we moved to California. but mostly I was raised in Texas. That's where my family's from. Texas is a great place. It's a big place. There's a lot of different parts of Texas. It's funny. Actually, when I went to college,

I found out my roommate, this gal that I sang with for years, Elizabeth Mitchell. She was from New York, and I was from Texas. And she thought I was a small town Texas person because she had come to Texas from New York on an exchange program for a few weeks,

but stayed in one of those really tiny towns where everybody hangs out at the Dairy Queen. And she thought I was like from this little tiny town. But I was from Dallas. which is, you know, big metropolitan city, you know, Dallas. And I thought she was from New York City because she was from New York. So she's the big city person. But she was actually from Westchester, this little tiny town with a little tiny main street

and like the drugstore everybody goes to. So it was kind of reversed. She was the small town girl. When did you get to Brown? No, when? When? Oh, 1986. I graduated in 1990.

You just missed Kennedy. You just missed him. I just missed him. Because my buddy graduated Brown-82 with Kennedy. Yes. And he would tell me horror stories. Not about the kid, but when his mom would visit him. Oh, what happened?

On campus, they would, people fit the ones who would yell horrendous things. Really? Yeah, and I always love Jackie O. Yeah, I did too. I didn't know. But you just missed him. Oh, no. I know some of the other Kennedys who were there.

But not well, but not well. Right. Just by, how many were they up there? I think Rory. And then another kid, I feel embarrassed. I don't know his name. He was in my acting class. I remember because we had to go around in the circle and say your name and a fact that somebody might remember you by, you know, like Lisa Loeb, like earlobe.

And, you know, there was somebody, Jefferson, like President Jefferson. And they went to Kennedy and then he said somebody, whatever, his name was Kennedy. And he's like, and somebody's like, oh, like the president. And he's like, yeah, actually, it is like the president. Like, he was from the Kennedy family. So. It was great. It was such a.

it was such a, I was just thinking about it earlier because often, you know, you get these name brand schools. And just because you go to a name brand school doesn't necessarily mean you're getting a great education or you're going to be better off than anybody else. You know, if you work hard and find things you're passionate about, you don't even need to go to college. It really doesn't matter. But I will say at Brown, the students were really interesting, really driven, kind of laid back, but super driven at the same time, you know. And I just met so many incredible people from all over the world. world and all over the country. A lot of them I'm still friends with now, but just people who kind of were already doing their life, you know, like, and like a football player who likes to do

poetry and like a, you know, just a lot of people, all the Venn diagrams were overlapping. There were so many different people, so many different interests and so driven and interesting and smart. I really loved it. I should have focused more on studying probably. What was your major? My major was comp lit and Spanish lit. So. But at this time, you think, and I'm a music. I'm like, I'm just playing music. I'm like, what am I taking this? I know, I'm like, I need, I was like,

oh, my parents want my hair. And I'm not with Puerto Ricans. I don't need this in my life. You know what I'm like? I'm like, what am I doing? Eating beans and tortillas. I'm from Texas. Even though you're from Texas, you're hit to it.

Yeah, yeah. I know. I, I, I, in retrospect, I wish I had studied something different probably, but I was mostly focused on acting and doing plays and writing music and recording music and playing gigs and towards the end of college we were driving into new york city to play and you know it was just but we had such a great it was the perfect place to play music too because there were so many musicians there who took it very seriously and we were able to take um classes in the recording studio so we could record our own music we had classes where we would

critique each other's music and what we were doing so we felt like we better do we better be really good because other musicians that we respect are also doing this and at the same time There was a great fan base. The students were huge fans. From the minute we started, every gig we played was packed. This was you and your part, right? Me and my friend, Liz. Liz.

Is she still doing music? She is. She's actually a very successful children's music artist. She goes by Elizabeth Mitchell. The Smithsonian puts out her records. Damn. And she and her husband also have an indie band called Ida that's very popular on the, like, real indie music scene.

And I actually turned to her when it came time for me to make a record, Barnes & Noble came to me like about 15, 17 years ago and asked if I would make a different kind of record than my regular records. They wanted to put out a record exclusively through Barnes & Noble. And the record industry was really starting to change, you know? It was the beginnings of people really not buying as many records or just people trying to figure out where to put records so people would buy them. Put them at Starbucks. Put them at Target. Like where could you put them where people would actually pay attention to them and buy them. So Barnes & Noble was a really interesting partner for me,

and they asked if I would make something different from my grown-up record that they could sell in their stores, and we decided a children's record would be a good idea. Did you have children at the time? I had no children. I didn't care about children. I don't know about children. But I will say I'd always wanted to make a kid's record

or something like that, because I had such nostalgia about growing up in the 70s in the early 80s. I loved my childhood. I love the old Sesame Streets and the old electric companies and the old love boat and Cher, Sunny and Share show and all those variety shows. And Carol Burnett. Donny Osman.

Donny Osman. I was in a beat up, Donny Osmond, because he was jacking with my game. Oh, he's so handsome. Every girl I had a crush on at 13, he was messing up my game. He was. Between him and Richard Gee, I was going to kill him. When Richard Geier came out with the office and a gentleman, I was going to stab him 20 times. He took his pants off.

In office and a gentleman, I was going to get him. I went on the double date. This is hilarious. I went on a double date. And my buddy was having a hard time with this girl. He was dating. And Richard Gere drops his pants.

And at the beginning of American Jigel, he walks and he takes his shirt off, and he hangs on an inversion bar and everything. But when his ass came out, like my, like I couldn't believe it. The girl's jaw dropped. And the other girl covered her eyes. I was in a choke.

I'm like, why are you covering your eye for? That's Richard Gere. But this girl would always talk about Richard Gere. So for years, I was going to stay at Richard Gere. your gear. And whatnot, I was in the club in the city, and I heard he was in the club. But at that time, already, his hair was kind of white. Oh, yeah. And I'm like, I can't stab on the old dude. He was just young two weeks ago. But then I watched Officer the Gentleman and I fell in love with him.

No, he's so great. I know. I actually learned about him more later, and then I couldn't stop watching movies by him. He's so, there's something so sweet about him and serious. And pretty women. I didn't even see that when it came out. Pretty women, he steal, well, they did it perfectly. Whoever his agent was was a fucking genius. Right. First day released that movie where he's just a piece of shit cop. Bangs everybody's wife, he takes Andy Garcia, and he steals his wife's underwear and puts him Andy Garcia's face.

Oh, yeah. And tells him how's your wife taste. I mean, he's just horrible. And then, like, you left there going, Jesus, Richard, I'm done with you. And then two weeks later, he came back with Pretty Women. It was all over. Oh, yeah. Internal affairs.

Internal affairs. Oh, yeah, yeah. He's nasty in internal affairs. But he came back. He's so great. And then, forget it. I've always loved this. Back to you, though.

I wanted to ask you this question. I thought when I first met you, you said Dallas. Okay. And then the walk home, I go. I think there's too many Jewish people in Dallas. But then I remember a friend of mine from Boulder. I went to school in Boulder. Oh, wow.

At UC Boulder? At UC Boulder. And I had a kid, Danny Weinberger. And he kept putting me out. And he would have a dream of opening a Jewish fucking Nelly. Oh, that's great. And he kept saying, I found this spot. There's no Jews in Dallas.

I go, dog, you don't want to start no problems in Texas. At that time, I wasn't doing a standoff. I was just 22. I had just seen, you know, I just heard Texas that there's places after night. They stab you. So, my dog, I don't think you're ready. But you know what? He went to Dallas, opened up wine burgers.

Oh. He had it for like 15 years. cashed in Sallavi he moved to some island oh that's awesome he's out that kind of schmeckles that's Dallas there are tons of Jews in Texas

my dad was on the radio there and they did not know that a taco place made up a matzabal taco for him as a joke like they named it after him no one ate it because it's disgusting but right right I didn't know that there's like thousands and thousands and there's so many Jews in Dallas that's amazing it's funny when I travel around the country

actually I got really into Judaism and when I traveled around the country I would visit synagogues and stuff Like I visited a synagogue in Alaska. Wow. During, it was, it was, oh gosh, what's it called my brain? You know, it's, oh my God, I can't even think of a holiday. This is terrible. What do you do for the holiday?

You know, you sit out in the shed out in the back. Oh, the Sukkot. Sukkot. Oh, my God, I can't believe I just blanked on that. It was Sukkot. And it's the full moon. It's a harvest festival. And so there's a full moon.

And so up in Alaska with a Sukkot, with a Sukkot, with this little Sukha, this little hut. And I went there and I met all these. What's great, too, about visiting different synagogues is you just meet nice, like, regular people in all these different cities. You know, you're not at a club. You're not at a radio station.

No offense to radio stations. They're great, too. But, you know, especially, that's just a nice group of people, like a regular group of people. I just went to a synagogue in Seattle. It wasn't Seattle. It's an island off of Seattle where I played.

Bremerton. Bremerton. They had a really nice little synagogue, really nice people. They had me, the rabbi played a guitar. He was like, why don't you come up and play a song? I was like, I'm just here for service. I played a Hanukkah song.

I have a Hanukkah song. It's like a Simon and Garfunkel sounding song. Who are your early influences? Bowie. I love David Bowie. No shit. I love David Bowie so much. Honky Dory, Ziggy Stardust.

Okay, Ziggy Stardust. I bought those albums so many times on vinyl, cassette tape. A track. Eight track. No, he track. Download it. The CDs from the RCA Day. before he switched to RICO, I'm obsessed with David Bowie.

David Bowie, the police, all of it. Outlandos, Regatta de Blanc, Zanayana Mondata, goes to the machine. Synchronicity, eh. I cannot believe you're a fan of synchronicity. I love... I'm eh. I like it now when it came out. I was disappointed.

I was so disappointed in that when it came out. I was very mad. Is wrapped around your finger on that? It is. It is. I was so mad. This got like two or three jams. I think the best arm was the one by walking on the moon.

That's a great song. See that all the way it starts. Open my heart when you said it. Oh my God, the way the opening to that jam. The opening to that jam. Listen, I knew dick about the police, okay? Do you like them though? When I was 15, 14, I was good friends with a gay Coke dealer

that went to CBG and all those choices. He was a cute guy like me. And he was gay, he was friends with my mother, and I was very impressed with him because he was a seamstress for plays, like big play. Like he would say I'm at this play for a year and then I would go to this one. Like a costumer, yeah. I knew he sold drugs.

What drug? I didn't really know. He acted kind of weird, but he would come back every night and tell me about the clash. Oh, yeah. And then we'd go back to his house and I'd be like creeped out. He had a cute little apartment. He'd play the clash for me. Then the first police album came out.

Oh, yeah. And I go, they're tremendous. And he goes, I'll take you one night. And we got a fake ID. You went to CB's and saw? I'm so envious. 78. Oh my God, yeah. He got me a fake ID. Remember the Jersey IDs and have your picture on. Oh, yeah. I had a good fake one from Dallas, from Texas. Somebody made me. And I, in Boulder,

Boulder was where they took it because they're so good at checking fake IDs. But with college, you were at Pogo's. I was in Boulder visiting my ex-boyfriend who had gone to Brown, hated Brown, went to semester at sea, went to this place, that place, went to Boulder where a bunch of his friends were. And we went out and they took my ID. I used to buy beer in college. I look like 12 years old. And I'd walk in with my smiley face purse and my hair and pick tails And buy the beer for the whole freshman hall They wouldn't suspect you. I was like, they never see you coming.

Yeah, I was like, I'm the 12 year old buying. So you graduate Brown and you're like, fuck it, I ain't going back to Dallas. No, well, I already felt like I was going to New York City. Yeah, you knew it already. I was one of those people that when I first visited New York City in eighth grade, I felt like the cartoon of the people who put their suitcases down on the steps and you're like, New York, you're my kind of town. You know, it just felt like home.

It felt so exciting and electric. I lived there the summer before college. I studied acting and I went there. And then I just loved it. And my friend Liz, her family was basically from New York City or New York area that I was singing with. We had a sort of a manager friend who was helping us with our music by the end of college. We were going to play gigs already in New York City when we were in college. And it just felt like the natural progression.

I mean, Dallas was so conservative when I grew up. It was in the 80s, and it was the Reagan era, and it was, you know, it was just so conservative. People give you the little up and down look like you're crazy. Addison was uptight at me until 2005. Yeah. I've been going out since the since then. After 10 minutes, they just wouldn't take the ride. Oh, yeah.

The club owner liked me, so they kept bringing me back. But I never felt like I made waves in Dallas until I learned. how to play them. And I learned by 2005, I got good in that Dallas room. That's so fun. And now I was going to go back May 4th to do a theater and not to cancel it because of this movie. But I was going to go to St. Antonio and Dallas. I cut my teeth in comedy in Texas. It's interesting too, right, to go from city to city to like feel the audiences. I talk a lot during my shows. And I heard you talking about this with someone else on the radio. It's funny, on my writer I have, I need a local newspaper because I need to know what I'm

walking into it. And I want to know if something happened that day that was like a really big deal. You know, it's just an Iowa for a family thing, but you read about like a tractor thing or like a you don't want to mention certain things if certain things are going on in town or you do want to mention certain things. But yeah, it feels so different. It's hard sometimes also hometowns. But New York is such a great hometown. Lisa Loeb, when you watch this Rolling Stone, Ola, Ola, Ola, Ola, Ola, they go from Peru to Brazil to Uruguay to Columbia

and they show what they do when they get there Are there like hundreds of thousands of people too in the audience right? Oh my God they're chasing them at the airport I mean they're chasing them down the street You get goosebumps

You're like How could this happen And then you hear the drummer going I remember coming out I haven't been joining the band We were lucky if we got 20 people But my point being that Big Jagger

He said it He goes there's a picture There's a three-minute piece of him with papers in his hand, not newspaper, just regular paper, staple. Yeah. Flip-flops on, hair's all jacked up and still the border. Yeah, yeah. And he's talking about that when he goes into Heath City. He spoke about this yesterday.

When he goes into East City that he reads about what's going on, he's so good. He broke his Spanish down by the fucking dialect. Oh, my gosh. That's how good that. That's very intense. I told my wife last night, I go, watch you know, watch you. this, I watch it two times in two days and I go watching this reminded me

how much of a savage this man really is. I love seeing that. I love seeing what's going on behind his scenes, you know, because he's so casual about it. Yeah, he was looking. But he's working his ass off. He's working his ass off. All the time. The whole thing, the plot of it is them going

from city to city with the plan of ending the tour in Cuba. Right. And that was the plan. And when he got to Cuba and he got on the stage, and I'm Cuban. Yeah. When he started talking Cuban, my heart stopped. Like, he's talking about food.

It's very sweet. It's very sensitive. Very endearing. Because that's also why you do it. You know, it's fun to perform. It's fun to connect with people. And that's so respectful. A little tricky, but also very respectful.

Well, like I told these guys yesterday, as a comic, there's nothing worse than going to Lexington, Kentucky. Yeah. Portland, Oregon, Kansas City, Missouri. And the guy in front of you is a local. Yeah. And he's throwing heat. Talking about the deli in town. Oh, yeah.

The local car accident, the mayor got caught getting a handjob in the cemetery in Nashville when I was there. So I had to talk about a cemetery. And I go right next to where he got a hand job, they weren't crazy. When you talk about that town, there's a weird connection. And that's how you learn that if you really want to connect, say something. I love going around. First thing I do when I go to a town is go to a restaurant, a local. Yeah, definitely.

I'm not going to go to Morton's. I'm not going to go to nothing right that. I will go to Whole Foods there, but I will talk about their whole foods. I'll get compocha juice at Whole Foods. Like there's Whole Foods I went to the other day. I don't know where I was, maybe outside of Philly somewhere. And they had pies that were cut in half like that. Just right down the middle, they were selling a half a pie.

It was the weirdest thing. Lisa, if I tell you why I didn't go to 88th Street last week, you guys are going to laugh at me. But I'll tell you the truth. I was ready to shoot up to my old day, but just to walk those steps, maybe even walk to my old grammar school PS 166, It's just a horse stable there. It's a time traveling. It's a time traveling.

I was ready to go up there. You know why I didn't go up there? Because the last time I drove by there, the corner had a fucking whole boots. Oh, no. It makes you so mad. And I'm like they destroyed my neighborhood. This used to be, let me tell you what the corner store used to be on 88th Street. You're going to die.

The people who owned it were the kid's father from Dark Angel. What's that, that show on ABC? What's that show on ABC? Dark Shadows. Oh, Dark Shadows. What is it? 88th and Broadway. Oh yeah, yeah.

So they used to have a camera store when I was a kid, and if you went there some days, Barnabas Collins was there. Oh, that's so cool. Shit, we would shake his hand and shit. So that's why I was like, how could you replace Barnabas Collins

with a fucking whole food? I took my wife and the baby up there. I know, it's very upsetting. It's very upset. I used to live, well, I was there only briefly. It seemed like a long time at the time. It was probably like three or four months. I lived on Bowery and Bond for like half a year.

But it was when like people were pooping on the front step. It was like the public restroom. was my door. You know, we lived above the drug dealers, two floors up, and they'd still be having their parties when I came downstairs to go work at a hotel. But now it's like a really fancy street. Everything's super fancy, you know.

It's totally different. You haven't played a better end anymore, Peter Fogel. Right? That's his name. Peter Fogel. He still holds it. And it was also Kenny. Kenny used to be the guy at the door.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he passed away. But I don't, I haven't played there. But I like, you know, I love playing listening rooms. Like the bitter end, those places where you're there and the people are right there. And they're listening. It's not like a bar bar. It's a bar to listen.

I love that. You probably have that too. Because, you know, when you're, now, luckily I'm playing more theaters and things like that as well. Or dinner, dinner places like city winery where they're eating and they're watching. But it's really about watching and listening. It's not about being at the bar, drinking and talking. How much do you travel, though? I travel way too much as a mom and way too little as a musician.

That's what I feel like. I travel about, I probably. do like 30 dates a year but this is the thing though I love it I love I hate leaving my kids but I feel like I'm getting better at playing gigs and that's what's so crazy is that

I really enjoy it I love I love talking to the fans I love being on stage I feel very comfortable now it's just I don't know it's just such a fun thing I feel like I'm growing as an artist and yet I really want to be home with my family too I think we need to have like Branson where people come to us I do

But we're, I don't, I don't, even, do you play a lot in L.A.? Yeah. You probably work out material. So what I do is I do two, three day tours a month. Two, three day tours a month. Thursday, Friday, Saturday. That's similar to what I do, but mine's not regular. But yeah.

Every other week. Yeah. And then one week I'll buy down to one week. One month, I'll go down to one month, one week. Maybe in November, I'll do three weeks. Oh, yeah. Just because I feel, you know. Then you have the summer, you have dick after the 20th.

So, you got to sit there for three weeks. weeks like a bump on the lot. And then you feel like you're starting over again, which is so weird. But then you're up there and you're like, this is fine. The good thing about me is I got the comedy store. Oh, yes. You have a great place. Tuesday, Wednesday and Saturday.

Yeah. So I'm with Mercy Monday, Wednesday. Friday's date night. Yeah, that's great. Date night is always in the it's an area. We got babysitter. I mean, if we do two and a half hours, it's a lot. We're looking at each other.

Yeah, no, I know. We need to get back to date night. We've gotten into the thing where there's like, oh, and there's a school function. Oh, and there's this other thing that you have to perform at, and then all of a sudden we're out two nights in a week, and it's not even date night. Right, it's not date night. And we don't like to be away from,

we feel like it's important to be home for bedtime. So it's, but we also don't want to stay up late because then you've got to wake up early in the morning. So it's this whole. All my spots after 8.30, and I do them and I run up the hill because the house is at 615. I got, you know, you got the Mickey Mouse Club playing throughout the whole goddamn house. I know, that's true. It's time to wake up. So it's kind of good.

Oh, groundhog day. So when you went to New York now, what were you thinking? in the early 90s. I mean, you were just meeting people, playing. I was going to happen. Broke? Not really. My parents were helping me out.

I was working, but I was also, I was thinking, you know what? You weren't even, right? I was a couple years after college. I was working in different little jobs, you know, like the pottery barn type of. It wasn't pottery barn. It was called Hold Everything. It was in Chelsea.

He sold hangers to Willie, the bass player. He always gives me a hard time about that. Padded hangers. They were probably scented padded hangers, actually. But I worked there. I worked at a hotel doing room service and other stuff, working in the breakfast room. I did a lot of temp work in offices. And at a certain point, a couple years in after college, my dad was like, you know, you should think about going back to school. And I realized, you know what, he's right. Because if I'm not a musician, I would like to do something else that's really

satisfying to me that's not working at a hotel or, you know, working at someone else's store or temp working. I would like to use my mind and use my, you know, use my whole self to do a different job. So I went back to school

at NYU for psychology for a master's degree. But I only went for a year and it was very part-time. It was like two classes at a time. And then once I was there, I was like, you know what? I'd rather be just 100% focused on music.

And then if that doesn't work out, then I'll go back to school 100%. And then within the year, I got a song on a soundtrack and everything. Because I always felt like I was taking one step forward. You know, like more people who were at the shows. We were always, I had different friends in the music business who would give me advice, and we were always collecting information and names for our mailing list, and I would handwrite, you know, 300 cards, just doing a whole thing.

I had a friend, and at a certain point, it was getting too much with work and music. And my friend who was in the music business said, you need it like an assistant, you need someone who can work with you. And out of the blue, my friend who was working at Ethan's theater company, said, hey, if you ever need any extra help, let me know. So she would help me make flyers and we would address the flyers and Xerox copy at the temp work office and use their phones and actually be awake way too early in the morning. But just like always doing the next thing that you do in your professional musician playing shows, playing in Philly, playing in Boston. And then all of a sudden, boom, having a big hit on the radio. Now the hit comes out. You're ecstatic, you're happy.

Yeah. And also stressed. It's crazy and everybody wants something from you and everybody thinks you've changed. I'm like, I'm still the same exact person. I haven't changed. I'm just busy making my album right now in the studio because the one song came out, but I need to make the whole record.

I signed a record deal when the song was number one on the charts. I signed a record deal with Geffen Records. And my attorney was great, and I still have the same attorney today that I did back then. But just, you know, just I was a working professional musician. I was so exciting. I was on TV and learning what that's about and, you know, making videos and making music

and playing with my band and getting all of our, I also was a very big fan of getting all of our contracts, getting all the ducks in a row with the band members, with the producers, with the whatever. I wanted everything to be, you know, done properly and making records and writing songs and just on and on and on. Did you go on tour after that? I did. I was on tour.

National tours. I don't know if I ever did a lot of T-shirt tours, you know, where it's like the T-shirt with like 30 dates on it, you know? I felt like we would do runs of shows. And once I got signed, there was a whole thing where you would finish, finish writing the record, record, do the artwork and all that stuff, then there'd be three months.

And during those three months, you would go to Europe and promote the record. You'd go to Japan for a couple weeks and promote the record, come back to the U.S., promote the record, and then actually the record would come out. Then you go back to Europe for two weeks and tour, or two or three weeks in tour, and back to the U.S. to tour.

You know, just like the whole thing. And then you would start over again making more music, and it was like this kind of routine. Now it's not like that at all. like always recording, always writing, always touring, like you and I are talking about, where it's like three days here, two days there, a week there, bringing the family, okay, I could be out for two weeks now, you know, just this whole, who's paying the most, that's a good place to go, where do I want to go, which places do I want to develop my fan base further, you know,

just this constant juggle of going out and playing. That's amazing. But I like it. No, yeah, listen, I'm watching this the first night when I couldn't sleep, I'm frustrated. I got insomnia. I did three bong hits. I drink. See, I eat cheeses.

I'm like, I'm going to eat the cheeses. Then I'm going to have two Girl Scout cookies. Then I'm going to change my palate with a little bit of potato chips. Then I'm going to just cleanse my palate with just one spoonful of peanut butter because I need some protein. Then just one little chocolate chip. Well, just a little more cheese. I open up an apple. Oh, that's good.

I open up an apple than a banana. If I'm still hungry, then we're going to have a problem. If it's after 11, but if it's two in the morning, I don't try to eat meat or nothing. So I'll just keep it to like an apple or banana. But I'm watching this Rolling Stone thing. Yeah. They're performing in Cuba.

They're in Cuba, which is a free concert, by the way. Yeah. It's a free concert. Well, it's Cuba, but that's amazing. Where do they do it in some big sports arena? The Atlanta Sports Arena, which to us is that field down the corner. Right. There's a field.

I've been to Cuba. North Hollywood Park is 20 times better than that field over that. But they have got all the old cars. Yeah, they had all the old cars and stuff, but they, I'm watching Mick Jagger, 73 at the time. Right. Dancing and I go, Joey, why the fuck would you go out at 73 to do a European tour when you've got millions? Right. Millions.

I mean, they can't even count how much money they have. Right. He's like, and yeah. Because we love what the fuck we do. Right now today, if you come to me and say, where are you going this week? I'm going to Pittsburgh. I love Pittsburgh. Yeah, it's fun to go.

But do I want to go? Not really. So from now until tomorrow at 11 o'clock, I'll be a little bitch, Lisa. I'm not going to be a lie. Because you'd rather not go. I'll be a little bitch. Nah, I'm looking for excuses. I got a toenail that hurts.

My calf hurts. My ear hurts. But you know what? Once I slammed the door on that Uber, you're there. It's on. You're already there. Once I get to LAX, I go, boom, clear. They look at your eyeballs.

Yeah. And you go through. Yeah, you're already there. You're there. You're there. You're there. Tomorrow I take connecting flight. Thursday connecting flight.

You're there. Once you get to the hotel, you take your iPad on, you connect your sleep happy machine. Yeah, yeah. You take the picture of your wife. I got teddy beds. She gave me. That's sweet.

Yeah, I've got my pillow. Yeah. That's it. You're there. You're home. Yeah. You know, it's like Mick Jagger said he goes. I used to.

hide. My management wanted me to hide. We're taught to hide. When we go to a town, he goes, it's fucking part of the gig. Shaking hands, giving autographs, talking to people. That's part of the gig. I just accepted it.

I love it. I love that. He said, I'm telling you today when everybody goes to sleep tonight, taking a little glass of red wine, whatever, about Shevitz, you go out through a little crack and some cheese. I'm just, like, my cheese is basically. I love cheese. They're like the pastry. I love, you know what I love.

It's like the pastry of all cheese. I love cheese. But I get too stoned sometimes. I like the cheese with the peanut butter. But after a while, I'm such a gavelin that I just put the peanut, the peanut cheese in the peanut butter. And the peanut butter breaks the cheese. Oh, that's such a bummer. My wife will look at me and go, why does it cheese it's in the goddamn peanut butter?

What's going on? What do you think? That's awesome. You're just, I wanted you to come on the show, Lisa. You know, yeah. to talk a little bit, but I really have a lot of respect for you. You're amazing in a lot of ways because L.A.'s a money talks and bullshit walk type of place. You, you walk to walk.

I mean, you don't stop. You're a mom. What most people don't understand is that once you become a parent, unless you want your kid to be, you know, like, out there. Right. You have to put love and time into that child. I don't want my daughter and you don't want your children not to know who the hell you are. Yeah, you were making a ton of money. You know, you watched the dirt yet?

Oh, no, I haven't seen. Fucking two years on the road. Oh, my gosh. Two years in the road on the road. You sit like all the whole time? Two years. They kept out and dates. You know, how are you going to be a parent?

How are you going to be? Let Zeppelin did that. I know, I know. And they didn't have cell phones. Can you imagine they probably forgot their lives at home? And you had to go to Western Union and write a fucking note. Nobody remembers you got a type of note. What do you want to write on the note?

Tell me, I love him. Two days later. Somebody knocks on your door Oh, Joey loves me, big deal. Yeah. You know? I mean, two years. Yeah.

I mean, I did a tour eight weeks one time that I came home. Oh, my gosh. And it was too much. Yeah, no, I won't do more than a week. I do a week. I did The Carlisle in New York, which was two weeks, but I knew that my in-laws, who have been great also, they help with the kids,

especially if it's like a little longer tour than I would like to be on. They'll, they come and they help out. And so they were in Los Angeles when I was at the first week at the Carlisle And the second week, the Carlisle gave me an extra room and a room for the kids. And everybody just came for the week. And so I could do that. Actually, that's one of my dreams is to do tours during the summer where it's like a three-week tour,

a four-week tour. I could get most of the gigs out of the way for the year. Have the kids with me with another grown-up, whether it's my husband, an in-law, a good friend, in addition to my tour manager, who's my son-engineer. And just, like, do the thing we used to do. We'd drive around the country when I was a kid and we'd stop in Santa Fe. And, you know, I could just play my show at night at 7.30, 8 o'clock, hour and a half. sign autographs, be done by 11, go sleep, somebody takes the kids to breakfast,

and then we go do something for a little bit, or we take a little drive. It'd be great on the East Coast where the cities are closer together. But just sort of combine the, like, United States trip with the touring. Because I'm not doing a ton of morning radio anymore right now. There's none left. So it's like, it makes more free time. And I'm really, you know, I could do a sound check, but I could do that quickly. Or, like, even Europe, like, go to France.

I haven't really been outside of much other than, like, Paris or. Versailles, like go someplace where there's a whole country that you forget and have a car and go and stay in like a bed and breakfast and play some weird little 150 seat venue, little club, and then play in France or, you know, play in Paris, but take the family. I don't know if it's realistic with Jetlight, but it's one of my dreams to be able to see the country, see the world, do my work, because that's the other thing. I don't know if you do this, but you have to be so able to change gears so quickly. You literally can be on stage. I'm going to fucking go. And like, I feel like a superstar doing your thing, playing your music.

Two seconds later, be an artist writing, you know, be in this other head where you're writing, writing. And then be in this other head where you're picking rice up off the floor. And it's totally you're where you are sort of when you're there. As I became a comedian, I didn't take my work around the comedy seriously. I wrote, but when I went on the road, it was more to be destructive like Motley Crew. Oh, yeah. After I became a headliner and started thinking about the people,

something to my show. They gotta go to babysitter. They gotta drive. They gotta pay for a ticket. They gotta go to dinner. I changed everything I do. You know, some nights. Sometimes I fly in a night early. Just to get dinner at that town, get the field for the town. Go back, watch Netflix till two or three in the morning. You're on the East, you know, you're on West Coast time.

You don't need to get up. Right. But even take that seriously. Like, don't feel like you have to wake up in the morning. No, I don't even take that seriously. Watch your sleep. Yes. be where you are.

But what about that? Like your comedy. I know when I did the Carlisle, it was a big turning point for me. It was a couple years ago. Like I said, I like to talk a lot on stage. Sometimes it'll be half talking,

half music. And in my mind, I think every show has to be totally different. Totally different. It has to be different. Even what you're saying. God bless you. Everything has to be different.

It can't be the same. And now, especially with social media, I'm like, everything has to be different. But I've toured with like, I toured with Lyle Lovett for a, one of those long tours before, and I watched him, and he knew what he was going to say every night, and it worked every night in these huge theaters, and it was great. It was kind of like a play.

It wasn't a play. He's really playing, and whatever he said came from his heart, but he would say the same things. And I had a whole new respect for it. I was like, that works. What he's doing works, and that is an art to be able to get up there. And then I was hanging out with some comedians for a while, and I saw them working on things and started realizing people were repeating material. You can't do new stuff all the time. You have to sort of hone in on. certain things and then be able to mess around. But with the Carlisle, to me, that was this very special upscale thing. People are paying over $100 to see me play. They're right in front of me. It's this tiny little place. To me, it had a lot of cachet where, like, classic people sing and

tell stories and they do cabaret, and I need to tighten up my act so it's not so all over the place with trying to be so different every time. And I'm trying to find that balance between saying the same things and working on certain stories that are fun to tell where people always react a certain way and uh and coming up with new different stuff but how do you do you do you go through phases of similar material or like how does that work i like to mix it up okay i never do the same set twice i love mixing it up the order so tonight i'll open up with snow and close with stay yeah yeah wednesday i open up with fucking stay and take my chances right right i'll open up fucking strong right out the fucking box right and then talk them down a little bit um um

I don't mind a musician speaking, but I went to see Santana a couple years ago. I almost put a gun in my fucking mouth. I got to watch that too for myself. It's what they're fucking talking about. We're at a great place. Now you've got to bring up injustice to Mexicans now after I did, you know, 22 joints.

Now I got to feel fucking guilty to come to a show. Come on. Or, you know, this is a song. This is the other problem I have. When you're a musician, if I pay for Lisa Loeb, she better fucking play stay. I don't care if she fucking does it with an electric guitar, ukulele. I don't care.

Play the song that you know. The song that I know, a couple songs that I know. Yeah, you have to play all the songs you know. When you're a comic, some comics are like, well, they came to hear that particular joke. Right, right. I don't really feel that way, but I do sometimes. Right. Sometimes I do if it's a joke that made me or something, I do.

But I don't really want to say it. Where music, if I pay $800 to see the fucking stones. They better play like Brown Sugar. I better see the devil. Yeah, exactly. I want to see the devil. I want to see it's only rock and roll. So that's the problem I have.

It's funny. Early on, I remember when Stay was really, really popular, the song, Stay, and my drummer, who's no longer my drummer, but we're friends. We're friends. We've talked about it. But it was so funny because he was such a pain in the ass. He's like, we're not going to play Stay, right? We played at CBGBs, and it was a big deal that we were playing at this little club, and we're not going to play Stay.

I'm like, are you kidding me? people drove in from New Jersey. Like they drove in to hear that one song, that's all they want to hear. And it was written from the same place as all the other songs. I wasn't trying to like sell out or, you know, I was just writing another song

and that one became popular. They are going to get what they want to hear. They better. Like when I go see Holland Oates, they better play all their songs, you know. I want to see Sarah smile. I got to see Sarah smile. Sometimes they save up all that stuff to Leanne.

And I'm really sensitive to, and maybe I shouldn't be so sensitive, but I have always all these new songs and a lot of people know my first two records the best and they're from 20 years ago or 25 years ago but I've got like multiple multiple songs and records since then and I want to sprinkle them through the set and make sure they hear things that I want to share as well.

Do you switch your set, you know, your set list every night? I do, you know, but I do find that there are certain songs that I like opening with because I know that if the equipment is bad or something's going wrong I could sing if I couldn't even hear myself, If I could sing these songs standing on my head, I feel comfortable. I know what it feels like. I like playing an upbeat song when I come out.

Sometimes I change it up. But there's a couple songs I like playing. And that's the other thing. Sometimes in my head I'm playing such different sets. But then I go out there and I'm like, I always play these songs because it works well. I like to play this kind of song and then play a couple songs from this other album that they don't really know. And then play something they really know. And then, you know, tell a story about something else.

Like it just has an ebb and flow. But I did, years ago, start having a request section, whether I'm playing. for kids or for grownups. I have two different types of sets that I do. I play stay, and then I'll maybe play another song of my choice that I want them to listen to because just because I played something

that they really wanted to hear, then I can play something they might not know as well right after it. And then it's requests. People can ask for whatever they want, for like three, four, five songs. I watched the live stream from Austin. You're very good at live streaming and stuff.

A couple months ago, I was at home, and bleep, you know, you're going to live stream. I think it was on Twitter or Facebook something. Oh, yeah, maybe. Maybe Facebook live or something. Somebody streamed it. And I sat there writing watching you. Oh my God, that's worries.

And I'm like, I got it. It was raining probably. I got to tweet her real quick and tell her I want to get around the show. She's not fucking around out there. And you were smiling, you were having a great time. And not to harp on it, that movie with Stones again. Every night they opened up with a different fucking song. See, that's cool too.

One night they opened up with Out of Control, which is slow. And I was like, what? And Mick came out fucking. fucking like what's happening. But again, during that movie there was one part

where he's in Cuban he's singing I can't get no satisfaction. And Cubans are stabbed themselves. You know, like they're like Viva Fidel and they're stabbing themselves.

And I'm sitting there thinking how many fucking times have they sung this song? Right. And it's still said. They change it up. They make it bluesy. They just know how to

Yeah. You have to respect that. I know when I was a kid I'd go sit. I'd go meet musicians they came to town. My friends and I would go get people's autographs at the record store and all that, stand in line. We would,

we thought we were a very new wave. We were. We were very new wave and fun and we'd make a pineapple if it looked like a pineapple and give it to like flock of seagulls. And we were fans, you know, we weren't groupies, we were fans, but we also felt like journalists. We would literally like interview bands and stuff like that. And, um, videotaped them, but it was film because it was, you know, that super eight film.

And so I know what it's like to be on the other side. To be a fan who's not, who's not a weird fan, they're just a big fan. Or if, you know, somebody I could actually maybe be friends with. You know, like, as a fan, sometimes you're like, no, you don't understand famous musician. We could actually be friends. And yet they're thinking, oh, the musician doesn't think we could actually be friends. But like, I do meet fans that I've become friendly with. Like, you know, you have your boundaries and everything. But like, I appreciate it so much. Like, my parents were big music fans. I'm a big music fan. We used to wait to like get someone on Broadway's

autograph after they did their show. Like, there's something exciting. You want to, as the king say, give them. people what they want. Who were some of the people you met when you brought the cakes like Flok of Siegel? The Alarm. I didn't meet the cars, but I love the cars. And I met Elliot Easton now. Candio is my shit. Oh my God. Those records are so good. The one with the, all the, I got them.

Yeah, they're so good. Oh, my God. I'm a vinyl dude. And Atomic records did not close. Whoever spread in the room? They did not close. They did not close. I went on. I haven't been to Burbank and everybody kept breaking my heart. You could come to our house. Our house is like a record store. My husband collects so much vinyl. It's crazy. And I have all my old vinyl still in Texas.

I'm actually going to sell some of it to a record store in Dallas. That I just, I don't know. There's a guy in Kansas City when I went with Dean last year, Dean Delray, who does a strictly music podcast. I know Dean through the drummer in my band. Yeah, Dean's a great guy. And Dean went to a place and came back to a place in Kansas City where they get calls. Like, hey man, my father was the drummer for the Armand Brothers, and he died.

He's got a trailer full of shit. If you don't come get it, I'm going to throw it out. And he's got like every tour jacket. Oh, wow. Michael Jackson, which is probably worth a dollar to that. You know, that makes me upset. That's like the Bill Cosby thing. I was such a huge Bill Cosby fan.

I have his records. He was the guy I learned how to tell stories from. I'd listen to his records. I'd watch his videos. I loved him. I met him once. And Bill Cosby, what did you do? Somebody told me there was a comedian who had a,

or a guy who had like his whole, Bill Cosby tattoo on his whole back. Oops. That's not a good tattoo. It's very upsetting. I know somebody who named that kid Cosby. After Bill Cosby. He's a comedian, so take that one.

God, it's so disappointing. I'm so disappointed. I was, uh, I was a little bit of a Cosby fan. I was more prior. I like the storytelling. Lenny, Bruce type of dude. Oh, yeah, of course. But then I did a festival, and he was the star of the festival.

And when I walked in, I was maybe 10 feet from him, and I could hear him telling the festival coordinator how there was no room for blue material in comedy. That he hates blue comics, and he better make sure there's no blue comics in the festival. And I just turned my back. That's like a... Yeah, that's too limiting.

Cutting down an artist. You know what I'm saying? Especially if he's doing what he's doing on the side. There that makes it especially gross. This is the worst thing that nobody remembers. And this is what piss me off. In 87, he fired Lisa Monet from the show for doing Angel Heart with Mickey Rourke because she had a sex scene.

Oh, give me a trick. That's terrible. You not remember that? I vaguely remember that. And she said, fuck you, and she hooked up with the-Lenny Kravitz and the rest of his history. Yeah. But, you know, here's a girl who did a sex scene. And there was an R-rated sex scene and there was an X-rated sex scene.

Right. There's two of them for this movie, and he fired her. And that's art. And then 30 years later, 20 years later, 30 years later, he gets convicted for the crime that he does. That's the kind of shit that eats my crow. Michael Jackson, on the other hand, first time, my bought when I came from Cuba was ABC. So I didn't think I feel. It's such a great record.

I'm fucking devastated. But you see those pictures of him at the end with the fucking eyeballs sticking up and shit. Yeah. He was out of his mind. He needed people. He needed people. He needed real people in his life You know, this business woman

Could take you for a ride How did you survive? I have friends and family I'm just like a regular person with a family No alcohol, no drugs, nothing No, I'm just, I First of all, I have the same friend I have a lot of new friends too

Including your wife like I've met some really great people Through my kids But I've always had really close friends I have one of my best friends Our moms were pregnant at the same time We were born in the same hospital a month apart Another friend I was just saying and she works over the hill.

She lives a mile away from me. We grew up in Dallas together. We were best friends between second and third grade. Like I have all these friends, just all these friends and family. I have two brothers and a sister who I'm close with. My parents... They keep you ground. They're just, you're normal.

You're like, yeah, your songs on the radio. Can you please go help mom with the car? You know, it's just, it's a great support system. And I'm also just a really responsible person. Did you ever ever any time? No. You know, I need a boy into it. I need to buy into it more. I need to buy into it more because I think like you said, at a certain point, you have to take it seriously. I do take it seriously, but I think it's really important for us. It's, you know, being a creative person and being an artist and being a performer, it's, it's not as trying as being like an athlete, but you definitely have to have to have routines and you have to have be able to take care of yourself.

You know, like I, I have had people in my lives who have been big stoners or more drinkers and this and that. And it seems glamorous for a minute. but I need to be awake, I need to look awake, I need to be able to think. And it just didn't make sense to me that like, oh, I need to drink so that I can perform or oh, I need to take drugs so I can perform or do my job. I'm like, that doesn't sound very sustainable. You know, like, I'm too factual and I like, so I just, I didn't do that. And then I'm just working. You know, maybe I do need to unwind a little bit.

No, that's good. You go to yoga? I don't do yoga very much. No, I do strength training. Where at? At somebody's home, at a personal trainer's home. First weights or machines? Straight training weights, little machines.

They're great if you want to know them. No, I do. I go to string training. Yeah, I love strength training. I've been doing it for 30 years. I love two times a week. I love walking. I'm like an old person.

I like walking. I like walking, light strength training and dancing. You dance. I'm a lot. Yeah, I was a dancer growing up. And you're a mom. And you have an eyewart company. I do have an eyewear company.

It's so much fun. Brilliant. What's the website for the eyewear? It's called Lisa Lobe Eyewear. So it's Lisa Lobe Eyewear. The parent company is a company called Classic. Iwear. But you can just look up Lisa Lobe Eyewear, and all my eyewear collection is there.

It's ever growing. And they sell it at mom and pop, like your ophthalmologist, optician office, where it has a little store. But it's also at Costco. And it's women's glasses and children's glasses at Costco. And you also have children's books? I do have a couple of kids' books. I need to write some more books, though, one day. When did you, now, did you have the kids when you started writing the kids' books?

I did have the kids with the kids' books. This is amazing. I have such nostalgia. Jeff, you were talking about going back to where you used to live, going back to your old school. I love that time travel. I wanted to create stuff that was funny. And, you know, like, back in the 70s, there was all the entertainment that was for grownups, but kids would watch it. We'd watch all in the family, whatever.

Right, right, right. We would also watch. The Waltons. The Waltons are being. Yeah, exactly. You know, I don't work Sundays. Right. I refuse to work Sundays.

Oh, you don't work Sundays. I do not work Sundays. I do paperwork and other work. Okay. But I refuse to get on stage on Sundays. First of all, it's the Sabbath for me. Right. Number two, I grew up on Disney.

Oh, yeah, the wonderful world of Disney. The wonderful world of Disney. That fucking lion show afterward with the guy. Doctori. Doctori. You know, I grew up on as corny as it sounds, everybody. I fucking loved Lawrence Welk because at the time, I was such an immigrant and I felt like such an outsider that for me to become an American, I had to love American things.

Yeah. And I would sit there and do that little, fucking German dance if they do like, you know, he's got this German. And a he-haw. All that stuff. Jesus Christ. You know, so. Eat a tuna sandwich and watch, I would watch, you know, the dance show.

Oh my God, it was on Sundays. I'd come home from Sunday school. Underwara. Soul Train. Soul Train. Soul Train. You had, you know. So all that stuff.

Midnight. What was it? Oh, yeah, the Midnight Special. The Midnight Special. My parents. My mom woke us up one night on a Friday night because the kiss was gonna be on with no makeup. This was in the 70s. She's like, Kiss is going to be on with no makeup. We were such huge Kiss fans. We all woke up in the middle of the night, my siblings and I

to watch the Midnight special. And then they showed Kiss, and they were sitting on a park bench with their backs to the camera being interviewed. So you couldn't see them without their makeup. I'm trying to get Ace freely on here. Oh, interesting. But without drugs, he's not funny. Well, he might be the first. I know poor Ace. I read Paul Stanley's biography. It was really great. His own biography is really great. I got Dave. I'm going to take on the road. Oh, that's great. To read that one.

Oh, yeah. And the one I'm still trying to finish because it's brilliant is the man who led Zeppelin, Peter Grant. Oh, I got to read that. Peter Grant's manager was just... I read a book. I read one years ago. It was a little paperback book. The Hammer of the Gods.

Or Hammer the Gods, yeah. The great one is Patty Smith. She wrote two great books. Did she? Yeah. There are a couple of biographies I tried to read and I just couldn't read them that were just not readable. They were not well written.

I loved the Lenny Bruce book When he lived in the Chelsea I love all that nostalgia also Yeah so I wanted to make That's how I got into kids music I wanted to make things like the stuff that I Something about camp Like when I was little summer camp

I whole summer camp album All my old summer camp songs Because also when you're a kid It's not kids music You're a teenager and you're singing it You think it's really funny and fun and gross And sentimental and you love it And so I made a kid's

Summer Camp song records With a couple friends and started a foundation to send kids to summer camp through the Camp Lisa Foundation. And we ended up making a musical and off-bredway musical that played in New York City at the Atlantic Theater about summer camp.

And that led to doing books that had the lyrics from some of those songs plus other songs. But yeah, it's just, it's fun. It's like fun and serious. And you could just do all kinds of different things making kids music. I like it.

No, you have a thousand hats that you wear. And I love you. Whenever you want to come back on, you're close by. Just give me a call. You were great. I mean, this is great. Yeah, it's such a surprise to get to meet you. I didn't know you dated Dweezel.

It's one of the best guitar players out there. He has a great guitar player. He's very fucking underrated. Very underrated. Well, it's great because he's playing his dad's music now. He's doing it now? How they're doing Joe's Garage and all that stuff? I don't know they're doing Joe's garage.

They're doing a lot of different songs. And I think he might be working on his own music. Actually, right now he's on a Hendricks tour. he's out with the Hendricks with like Joe Satriani and a bunch of other guys. Jesus. Yeah. I had Terry Basios. Oh, yeah.

That's great. I'm a big missing person. Joe's garage. Oh, yeah. Frank Zapp. Amazing. Amazing. Yeah.

Amazing. So I had him on here. But I have always said that the only knock I have against the dweasel is he played on Don Johnson's album. But him and Don was tight. Yeah, they were tight. They were tight. They were tight.

Yeah. In his house and stuff that was tight. He's, it's interesting, all those folks that you meet. Like, I remember hanging. hanging out in a kitchen at the Mandevi's house watching sports with Don Johnson. Very weird. I don't know. Yeah, Don Johnson kicked it around for a while.

Yeah, yeah. But anytime you want to come on, let me promote these dates for you. Okay, yeah, I've got a bunch of dates coming up. This Sunday, you're at McCabe's guitar shop in Santa Monica? Yes, that is a kid's show. Okay. It will be fun for everybody. It's at 10.30 in the morning.

Look at you. And tickets are almost sold out, so. Really? Yes. And then the 13th. You're at the Hard Rock? I am at the Hard Rock Casino venue in Northfield, Ohio, which is near Cleveland. In the March 28th or the 26th you're at World Case Live?

April. April 28th. I'm looking. Oh, here, wait. Before that, I'm playing. Oh, but it's sold out. I'm playing in Boston at City Winery. Sold out April 24th.

Yes, World Cafe Live in Philly on April 26th. Rams Head Live in Annapolis, Maryland. That's a great venue, and I have to get crab cakes. And then, yeah, the 28th, I'm playing at the Hamilton in Washington, D.C. You're beautiful. You even got a coffee line. I do have a coffee line called the Wakeup Blend. Now, where can all these people get that?

And my friend, a friend of mine who manages Billy Bob Thornton connected me to this great coffee company called Coffee Fool, and it's an online place to order coffee beans. And he started a thing, the people who started the company, started a thing with a couple of different musicians and people that they'll let you put together your own personal coffee blend. Like mine is dark roast beans for that really strong, I'm going to be awake flavor, but also light beans for the actual caffeine

and that's shade grown and all that. And all the proceeds from the sale of this wake-up blend that you can buy online, they give all of it to my Camp Lisa Foundation. So they've sent so many kids to camp. They also have a blend with, I think, sticks and with Billy Bob Thornton and maybe a couple of other folks know too.

But it's great. It's coffee fool, and you go to their charities button on their website, And you'll see my coffee there. And it's delicious. I'm going to try. Do you drink coffee? Yes.

Okay, I'll have to get you some beans. Lisa Love, this has been an honor and a pleasure. Thank you very much for taking the time. You're a sweetheart. If you ever need to come on for any reason, you have an open door policy, you want to do midnight, if you want to sing on here. Oh, that could be fun. We'll get the fucking lights gone.

We'll whatever you need, Periscope. We'll get girls with bikini. Whatever you need. Girls with bikinis. That's what I mean. I got you here. I got you here. Thank you very much.

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