The Church of What's Happening Now: The New Testament - #711 - Mick Mahan

Episode Date: August 19, 2019

Mick Mahan, a bass player who has performed live and on albums with Pat Benatar, Prince, and Sheryl Crow among many others, joins Joey Diaz and Lee Syatt live in studio. Mick is also the owner of��Parma Pizzeria Napoletana, an authentic pizzeria in Thousand Oaks, CA. (A suburb of Los Angeles) This podcast is brought to you by: Upstart.com - The revolutionary new lending platform that knows you're more than just a credit score. Go to www.upstart.com/church to see how low your rate is. Checking your rate doesn't affect your credit score.  CBD Lion - For all of your CBD needs, from shatter to gummies, go to www.CBDLion.com and use code CHURCH for 20% off.     

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It's Monday morning. Put on your military boots. We're going deep into the fucking jungle this weekend. Oh shit. Wiggle Lee. Wiggle for. Uncle Joey. There you go. It's Monday. Get those blood vessels going. Oh shit. Break out the linoleum. You're going to start fucking back flipping. All you old school DJs, don't do it. Don't do it unless you got fucking Ben Gay.

Make my hand. The Christ killer. Uncle Joey. Holy shit. Here we see. Fucking shit. Here we see. Fucking day. What? It's Monday the 19th of August. Get your shit together make my hands in studio how are you sir what's going on what's going on i'm home for a minute and getting ready to go back up how long get a little closer here get a little closer to me harvey Weinstein style you know what i'm saying that's how harvey i can't hear i can't he and then he rubbed his fucking shoulder on you did and it was all downhill after that you know so that you're done yeah so here i go again for another three weeks so how long does this

This tour been going on. Well, we did about six, seven weeks just prior to this and then I've been home for about 10 days. And it will go back out for another three, come home for three, go back out for another 21 days or something like that. It's a little bit more this year because it's the 40th anniversary. It's the 40th anniversary of the release of Hitt Me with Your Best Shot. Really? So that's crimes of passion. Forty years.

Crimes of passion. And we're talking about. Jesus fucking Christ. Can you believe it? Well, heat of the night was beginning. before that. Right, he didn't I was before that. So, my clone sleeps alone. Oh, yeah, baby. That's a good

album. A little bit of a different type of darker album. Yeah. I heard she had problems putting that album out. Like, somebody this, this, that. I still remember Pat Benatar on the fucking Catcher Rising Star. You do. Standup, Comedy Special with her.

I still remember Pat Benetton when HBO did this special. Live from Earth on HBO. It was like a special. And then the biggest blunder I had was Pat was going to marry Neil. That's right. And then TV did a contest. You go to Hawaii and go to the contest if you sent in postcards.

So our plan was to go to the wedding and fucking tell Neil he can't do it. Like you got to take a hike, Neil. Get out of the way. You're going to have a problem. Get the fuck out of it. So I'm not kidding. I worked for a bookie at the time. And I got off work on 118th Street.

And I would go to a stationary store. and I actually, every day for three weeks, I filled out cards, and I would put 100 of them in the mail from different mailboxes from the local to the city. Because first prize was a trip to Hawaii. Second prize was Tropico. Tropico, like 100 copies, autographed. And the third prize, like, you got a T-shirt or some shit.

Then all of a sudden, they announced some fucking, some fucking Mukiyak won it in fucking Virginia. And then I'm waiting for my album, because I sent it to a thousand postcode. No album, no t-shirt. You got nothing. I got dick. Fuck it.

Fucking MTV. But that's serious. They were going to get married on MTV. Like that was how big MTV was in those days. Oh, yeah. First video ever played. Yeah. Second video.

Second video. He was the first guitar player. Was he? Yeah, first guitar player. So the first video was video steal the video. I'm not sure what it was exactly, but there was no guitar. What was the first video? play on MTV. I think it's

Video Killeda Radio Star. It was one of those type of jams. Is that right? Okay. And then Pat came up with either hit me with your best shot or Treat... Yeah, the rascal's song. We were talking about it last night. She had a red and white.

Money for nothing. That was the first band. Okay. Dider Straits. It's 1987. You better run. No, no, no. The first song played on MTV. came on 1981, September 15th of

1981. The first song ever played on MTV was I'm gonna contact you because you smell like 10 fucking hooves and then

oh I'm on the hell I don't know what you're right It's video killed the radio What do you think you're dealing with? Video killed the radio Star So what's the second song

Played on? You better run by that. You better run. Yeah, you're fucking. and go, b'pah, dan, dan, dan, dan, da. And then there was also a video we played last week. That was so much, because when MTV came out,

it's not like they had a million videos. No, they had 15 videos. Eight of them were, like, old, like somebody had just done promotional, and they were terrible to videos. Like, the lead single would be popcorn, and the music would be going off. Nothing was rindous.

Nothing was synced. So the only real videos you had was video killer radio storm which wasn't a band it was like fishes and in my heart and in my soul uh uh oh oh and all that shit then it was pat and then the other high rotating video was van halen if this is love live live from oakland nineteen eighty one which we played last week and you could tell the strength of who the fuck van hamlin was oh yeah he comes out with a bottle of jack and he puts a fucking scarf on. He goes, what do you think of my old open scarf? And they're going fucking crazy.

When you look at that, you're like, that's Guns and Roses without steroids. They were just opening up the door for guns and roses without steroids. A lot of those bands were. So what made you get into this fucking career? You just could have a restaurant in Ohio. No, I wasn't even thinking about restaurants in the back door.

They didn't exist either. You know what I'm saying? I don't know what the hell got me into this. It kind of picked me. How old were you when you started playing the base? I started playing bass when I was about 13, but I started on guitar about 10-11. You know, so I was, I got in a band right away. And my band opened up for, I got a chance to play with Ramsey Lewis. I was a little kid. And I thought that was really cool, and I was playing guitar.

And then nobody else wanted to play bass. The bass player quit. They said, somebody's got to do it. You want to give it a try? So my buddy lent me a bass. That was probably, I don't know, $50 bass or something like that, that he got at Woolworth. and I just fell in love with the instrument. You know, I started listening to Led Zeppelin,

Steppenwolf, and all these bands were coming out. And I just fell in love with it. You know, it struck me. When you were 18, what were you doing? 18. At 18, I had just gotten out of college. I was 17. I went to Kent State, and I was still playing in bands.

All four years of Kent State, yeah. And this is after the disaster at Kent State? A few years later. This was after, yeah. A couple years later. a little bit after. Now, were you in a band when you were at Kent State? I was always in a band.

Okay, you've always been, this is all you've done. Yeah, this is all I've ever done. But my thing was, on Wednesday I would leave Kent State, and I'd go play gigs. I'd go visit my friends in Pittsburgh, and then I would play gigs Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and then drive back up to Kent State and then go to school for three days. Was there any money in those days? About the same damn money you're making a club now, believe it or not. Yeah, it's about the same.

fucking crazy. Yeah, how crazy is this business, you know? 40 years later. Yeah, you know, you get the best guys in L.A. to come play for, it's because they want to play. Musicians have to play. You have to do comedy. What made you make the jump here?

Well, I knew if I was going to stay in Youngstown, you know, I was just going to end up playing clubs the rest of my life, probably. Not that we didn't have great music. And I love Youngstown. Oh, it's a great thing. I love Youngstown. You've been there. Yeah, I think it's a great time. You can put a bed in anywhere.

Yeah. You can play some better church. You go to church. Your father, come here. Yes, you can. Let me get the Browns. $10. All right.

The line's 13. You're fucked up. Yeah. You can put a better. Youngstown is the gambling capital of the fucking world. Yeah. More action goes to Youngstown, Ohio, and anywhere else in the fucking country.

When you pull up to a nightclub, there's 99 cars in the parking lot. There's two people sitting at the bar. Where do you think everybody is? Yeah. They're in the back. Everybody's doing it. Youngstown's where the,

Hall of Famous. No, that's in Canton. I'm sorry, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is in Cleveland. Where's the football one? Canton. Okay. Yeah. Because apparently that area is where football started, you know.

I think, if I'm correct, the Detroit Lions were it started in Youngstown, Ohio. That's funny. Somebody told me that. Yeah, so that's why it's there. And then you came out to Hawaii. Yeah, I got, you know, I just wanted to lift it up. I did the college thing. I followed my mother's advice and did the, you know.

What did you major in? Industrial arts, psychology, and just mildly in music. I wasn't really educated in music at that point. It was later on. Now you read music and everything. I do now because when I came to L.A. I got my ass kicked. I got my ass handed to me. Well, you would get on a session and I was a pair of eyes.

I couldn't read this stuff, you know. Some days you have to read fly shit. Some days you don't have to read anything. It's whole notes, but I just wasn't competent at that. And then I really wanted to be a session guy because that was very fashionable. And I was getting more into jazz. I actually became a jazz snob. And that's all I wanted to play until my friends opened up for a foreigner.

And I went down there and I said, What the fuck's the matter with me? You know, I don't want to play rock and roll. That's crazy. That's where I started. So I dropped the jazz thing. I didn't drop it, but I lowered it down and got way back into rock. Now, when you picked up the jazz bass, did you have a stand-up bass? So did you?

No, that kind of came afterwards, too. You know, I really concentrated on the electric base, and that was kind of my thing. But then I realized if I wanted to get more work, I better get into the upright. So I kind of took that up and studied with some people. Now, for guys like me, let's say you went on the road with Led Zepplin. Would there be any situation for you to put on a big stand-up base? Would it make a difference in the sound? In which way?

Yeah, it would definitely make a difference. Like, would dazed and confused be different today if you used the stand-up base? A dazed and confused would be amazing. on upright bass. Really? Why? Well, just the nature of the base, it has a different voice. You know, electric bass has a very...

Excuse me. It has a very focused kind of sound where the upright bass is more of a bigger, rounder sound, a little bit warmer tone. Any kind of fretless instrument is going to speak differently than a fretted instrument.

How would a standing bass do in an arena, though? Well, you know, I mean... You mic it? Just like anything else? You like it, yeah. You might it just like anything else. And it translates if you've got a great mixer, you can mix anything, you know. I would love to see something like that.

Some guy bringing on like their base out and fucking. Oh, they do it all the time. They do it routinely. If you see Rod Stewart, you know, if you see Barry Mantelow, if you see any of these guys, it's kind of like a normal thing to have happen. Who are your rock influences? My biggest influence would definitely be John Paul Jones. Seriously?

John Paul Jones and James Jamerson at the same time. because when I grew up, that's the kind of stuff that you could, you know, you had that vast area to deal from, you know, to pick from because those were the songs that were on the radio. So you could be an R&B guy, especially growing up in Youngstown. It was all about soul music and, you know, that culture mixed in with this rock that started to get introduced into it, you know? And then a guy like John Paul Jones, he is an R&B bass player in our rock performance i think what there's an rmb bass player have an advantage over a rock bass player

uh funkier funkier funkier yeah a little bit more rhythmic probably uh listen to ramble on okay by zeppelin that's a total james jamerson bass line that's amazing yeah it's really funky i listen to the brothers johnson oh those guys they were so i mean nobody remembers the brothers johnson I should do. Lewis Johnson's badass. Sticky fingers and lightning licks or something they call those two. Are they still around? No.

Both of them passed. I'm not sure both are passed, but Lewis is. One of them was at the comedy store one night. Years ago, 15 years ago, he was friends with the dog guy and he came in. I was like, I had your album and all that. Because I transformed through the same thing. I grew up in a Cuban house. I saw a stand-up base.

Yeah. And then I got into R&B. I got into the Fonnie All-Stars and all that stuff that Latin salsa stuff like that He's Bobby Valentine Oh yeah Is his name, he's interesting because he was really He was great

I think he was a percussionist and they turned him into a bass player Or something I don't know something weird Yeah And then I joined the band And they said pick up the bass I didn't know what the fuck I was doing So all we would do is cover Beatles songs

We basically covered help the whole album. This is not a stand-up bass at that point. No, this was the fucking thing. We had to get rid of the singer because he was a dickhead. Lead singer does he. I still had the kid voice,

the Michael Jackson voice, but had the cracks. So now I was a bass player. I got serious about it. And I went to Pashtore music, big time music store. And you didn't see in New Jersey. If you ever did the garden, they send you the past store to get all your licks. I saw Greg Allman there.

when I was a kid. Oh, yeah. Just hanging out? He was there with Cher. That's how young I was. I was about eight. I was walking. I saw him.

I was like, Jesus fucking Christ. Yeah. And I took bass playing on like the third floor, but the band broke up. So for a year, I took bass license, pretty much reading music and stuff. But then there was no band to pick me up. Like, I knew different things, but it was like, I didn't even know how to get into a band. Basketball came. I think I ate somebody's pussy.

And the dream of being a bass player went down. That was it. That was it. I didn't know you played. I couldn't tell you what I was doing. It was like a year. Yeah. When you had fun with it.

Yeah. He would go up there. The guy was a good guy. Yeah. He let me play along to music. And I'd bring like Hurtwin and Fire and the early stuff. That's the way of the world. Because I like...

Oh, Verdeen White is a badass thing. I liked the brothers Johnson. I liked... There was just so many... There's something about the... the bass that you don't know it's good to you listen to it. Like you know. That's very true.

There was something I was listening to the other day in the car. I'm like, listen to that fucking bass line. Yeah. I don't know if it's American band or. Oh, Grandf. American woman. One of those two. Probably American band.

Boom, boom, boom, boom. Oh, there you go. That's American woman. Just tremendous shit. Yeah. The ear doesn't really usually go to. I usually go to the. You go to the bass.

I love the lead guitarist, but I go to the bass. Well, lead guitar always tends to take prominence, right? But do yourself a favor. Go listen to a Beatles record from the other room and let the bass come through the wall where it takes out all that top end stuff and you're listening to the bass. Listen to the voice of that

and all the different bass lines and how melodic McCartney plays. That's the best way to listen to the Beatle record. Really? Oh, yeah, it's fantastic. Was McCarthy that good of a bass player? Amazing. his parts. He's not

a chops guy. He's not like Stanley Clark or Jacob Astorius, but the parts that he came up with are just beautiful. I liked him more with the wings. You liked him with the wings. Yeah, I like his bass more with the wings than I heard it with the Beatles. With the Beatles, it was very

generic his bass. With wings, I think he picked it up a little bit. He had to play louder because his wife sang badly. Do you remember? Well, there was that. Do you remember when they took away the music? Yeah. let his wife sing.

And it was just horrible. They were trying to throw thunder at her and they were breaking lightbul behind it. Which is where it's her or Yoko? That's a toss. I was going to say that's probably on parr, right? No, I like her. If you went to a common American

today, like a 50-year-old that grew up between the wings and the Beatles and you said, listen, you got one gun, one bullet. Which one are you going to go with? You got Yoko or Linda McCarthy? I think 10 out of 10 would shoot Yoko. Everybody hated Yoko

I've never met a Yoko Ono fan and I feel horrible they blame her for the Beatles they blame her for bad music they blame her for putting them a luke on fucking John Lennon she was walking behind them everybody knows if you're Chinese you gotta walk in front of me don't walk behind

me you fuck that's bad luck you ever go to a blackjack table you're up 10,000 or something you're losing look behind you there's always a smiling Chinese guy thinking it's the year the dragon meanwhile you're going for your fucking lungs. If she would have been walking behind him, maybe she would have got shot by

fucking head. Is that the nature of the culture? Everybody hates Yoko. And the kid she's got, he's second on the list. Sure? No, not the one that, the Coke head that came out after he used. Remember the one came out from the lost diaries? Oh. Like, once he died, one came out

that was his twin. Yeah. I'm sitting here by the river, and he sounded like him. And then he started smoking Norton Coke and the tour got canceled. There's that one. Then there's the one that that looks like a white family adopted him. Like he's one of those Chinese-looking kids. Like a white family adopt him, they gave him a nice haircut.

You know, the Chinese guy has 16 candles. That kind of white. What was the Chinese guy in 16 candles? What's his name? Hung, and they would always hit the thong. Every time they'd say his name. That's a whole different deal, man. Yeah.

Get it, Watanabe? Yeah. There you go. Yeah, Gary Watanabe. Oh, my God. You're totally on it, man. you look up everything. He's the man.

He's the man. So we've had a few bass players on. We've had Rudy. We've had... Rudy Sarzo? Yeah, Sin come on. And they've all said something similar to what you said that, like, it's almost like music was a part of them. Yeah.

So, like, so with Joey, like, I played violin for a year in fourth grade. Don't tell that to the body. No, no. Don't tell that to nobody. I know. It's embarrassing. But, like, do you think you can... Is music something you can teach to people, or do you think it's just something that you're

born with any find? Yeah, you can teach it. You actually can teach it I like to go teach at grade schools and stuff like that. I teach these kids first, second grade, you know, teach them scales. But can they be like pros like you? Could they like... Not everybody can do that. I think you have to have a certain

aptitude. Every three fucking days. There's a kid on online playing tool. You had days there's a half black kid playing fucking something. I'll tell you what. As a kid, how I made money was, I Conga drums. Yeah. I put them in my mom's bar and I play conga drums to Spanish music.

And I learned how to play the Congo drum and people go, you know, the kids got in here. Right. And little did I find out my uncle is from Glendale, you know, my mother's brother. And they had a band. He opened up for Earth a kit, but they opened up for the stones at 70s something. That's crazy. So he played the conga. It's in your blood, man. And then my cousins in Cuba now have the national touring band. She just was at South by Southwest. Yeah. article about her in time she's gonna she's about this she's got a default whatever they fucking call it yeah she's got to come over because she's about to bust the bank here yeah but i i always have the attitude towards music one of the scariest things in my world is the guitar how so i know if i

pick up a guitar everything else will fall to the wayside and your life yes i love the guitar you'll get consumed with it i'll get overly consumed overly I have a very addictive personality, and that's something that I've been wanting to do. It's like being 13 and knowing you want to eat a chick's pussy. You've just got to find a chick to let you. Then when you were 13, you're like, I can't wait to eat somebody's pussy. Maybe the babysit it. You start plodding.

You start looking at your aunt's friend and shit. Like, that's how. Nothing is sacred. That's how nothing. You know, I've always wanted to learn how to play like David Gilmore. By the damn thing. Get it. Oh, they have a starter kit at Guitar Center.

And Gilmore's a great example. Gilmore, I'm a Gilmore guy, Jimmy Page. And then I've got to throw Neil Haraldo in there. Yeah. You know that I've always loved Neil. His guitar solo in Precious Time, his guitar, I think one of Pat Bennett's best songs is I'm going to follow you. Yeah.

And the second out. That's killer. The other side, the flip side, they had a video of it, walking the streets later at night. His guitar work is sensational on so many things. How about run between the, raindrops. Oh my God. That's the best That's my favorite guitar solo that he plays.

He's done some work and I don't think people ever looked at Neil like that. Well, she's a chick band. What's Neil know? Neil could rip your fucking cards out. Neil could replace Randy Rhodes on Sabbath without batting a fucking eye learned all his stuff and done it.

Neil had it in him at that time. That's why he was in Daring Jus Band because he was killer. Killer guitar player and his solos are part the composition. You know, they're not just different every night. They're part of the song. When you hear Jesse's girl, you know, immediately it's him, you know,

and it sounds like Neil Gerardo all the time. You know what's one song that Lee hates. Every once in a while, I'll spike him with asses to something. And I put on Hell is for Children. And his guitar work. Yeah. And Hell is for Children is second to none. Like the whole, da, da, down, down, down, down.

How he underlines everything. It's just fucking brilliant. Now, how long you're out here in L.A. kicking it before something happens? Before we leave? No, before something happened in your life. Oh. Oh, you went to the Institute of Music or something? Yeah, I went to Dick Groves, finally.

I came out here in 77, and oddly enough, I left Youngstown the same time that Myron Grumacher did, because he and I were playing in a band in Pittsburgh. Get the fuck out of here. No, I grew up with Myron. I had a friend called Otto, and every time he'd do ass, he looked like Myron Brumbocker. Start jumping around on the drum. A myron, he will lose it. I'm not fucking Myron.

You want to be Myron. Is Myron still around? Yeah, he's still around. Is he touring? No, he's not playing right now. I mean, he might be doing stuff in town here, but he hasn't played with us. We had the anniversary, 30th anniversary tour, and he played with us. Okay.

But he decided to take a break from the road. And, yeah, but he and I grew up in Youngstown. We left the same time. He went to New York. I said, I'm not going there. It's cold weather. I want to go out to L.A. or making a bunch of records out there.

I'm going to join, I don't know, the Eagles, Led Zeppelin, whoever they all I could fall in with, you know, at all these high aspirations. So I came out here and I kicked around for a long time and then I started going hanging out at Dick Grove School of Music and started playing in the Faculty of Fusion band. So Dick became my friend and he says, you know, let me give you an education here.

Come in, you know, and learn. So I did. And it was composition and arranging. Because I had a certain amount of facility on the base. But then I got really serious about studying the bass and practicing 12 hours a day and stuff like that. I started getting better gigs. What was like your first big gig? My first big gig.

Well, the first time I went out on the road for a little while was with Lisa Hartman. No shit. Lisa Hartman. It was a great band. Carmen Grillo was in it. Jack White was playing. I'm getting the fuck out of here. Yeah.

Phil Chanel was in it. Sterling Smith was in it. Yeah, it was a really good band, you know. How old are you now? I'm not telling you. Not now at this time. Oh, okay. Jack fucking white, you know, like I'm 13 now.

But let's see, I don't know. I guess it was about 23. Yeah, you're a little bit of Jack fucking white. Oh, yeah. Like, how do you act? Well, we just took it for granted, you know? I mean, he wasn't doing anything yet either. You know, we were just like up-and-coming cats.

Oh, okay. I thought he was Jack White. No, this is not the Jack White, the artist Jack White. This is the drummer, Jack. Okay, okay. Same name, but different drummer. And so all of us were just coming up and, you know, we're just starting to get gigs and get better ones and stuff like that.

And you just keep working your way up the ladder and stay dedicated. You're not going to get it unless you just friggin' focus on it, man. What year is this? This is 78. And where are you hanging at night in those days? Oh, there was many places. hang there was Josephinez. Anybody could walk in here. Al Jaro used to walk in. God, it was crazy stuff. Remember the sold-out? Well, you were not here. Then the sold-out was like a soul club

down on sunset. That had great music. Of course, the troubadour. You know, Tom Waits used to hang out there all the time. You know, when I first got here, it was crazy. About 1978, 79, I got in this fusion band called the Wunder Band, and we played at the Troubadour. And it was like high-energy fusion stuff. And we were the first band to actually have a spotlight there, except for Elton John. You know, this was music that used to keep me up at night because it was taxing shit. I never played a samba in my life. I'm from Youngstown, Ohio.

What do I know about a samba? But I had to learn all this high-energy stuff. And that's what kind of fueled me into, you know, because, you know, come and educated and branching out and spread my wings a little bit. Some people have a certain aptitude. This young man, I mean, from the day he came out of the womb, he would sit down and play the drums, well, he'd play with sticks, on a briefcase with the cartoons that he was watching. So he's about not even two years old, and he's starting to drum. So I just knew he was a natural-born drummer. Is he drumming? That's a fantastic drummer. I'm proud to say it. If he sucked, I would

say that too but he's the great drummer you know at time on the rogan podcast one day we're talking about music and they're talking about all these drummers and they go fuck he's all yeah there's a guy named terry basio that he's all that fucking lunch and people like who and that night i got home and the guy some hit kid hit me up he was like that's my fucking father oh yeah so we put him on the podcast and we just talked terry's kid that was when we did the ass and he went to out of space yeah oh man type up lee in outer space you'll see bozio playing the drums over here oh he's so funny I love those. You know, I love all that shit.

Yeah. Right. Like what I miss the most, when people go, you miss New York, I miss a pizza. I miss the bagels. No, I don't miss the fucking pizza, the bagels. I miss the, yes, I miss the garden, and I missed the Nassau Coliseum, and I missed the Meadowlands, which was 20 minutes from my house. Yeah.

That's not what I miss. I miss when Mick calls me and says, hey, do you doing anything tonight? There's a little dive bar called. meant over on 78th on third avenue Pat's gonna be down there tonight with Mick I think slash is going down there and you would catch these improm to little $15 and you'd sit there

like I remember being at the village gate yeah 20 years ago doing stand-up and as I was walking up Eric Clapton was walking in and I'm like that's the shit what are you 1993 I'm like what are you doing here yeah he goes nice to meet you too I shook his hand and I saw him. How cool was that?

My God. And then I was going to an audition one day and he was at the light on Hollywood. Yeah. No, Santa Monica and like Vine. I was walking across the street to an auditionist. And I saw him. It was Eric Clapton and I go knock and he's like, not right now. He looked at me and I go, Village Gate, 1993.

And he goes, how you doing? You got his attention then. He remembered. He remembered. That's what I like. Forget about anybody can go see your fucking shit. I want when Mick called me goes this I'm getting together with some guys come over it's a ten dollar cover I know the bartender and you go there and all of a sudden Charlie Watts

were coming and be playing the piano or Stanley Clark would come and join you right that's what I miss I miss that type that's hard to find that's that's not any that's once in a lifetime I was standing in I just got done playing a gig with the fifth dimension and I was in Memphis and I went to BB Kings what year was this oh this had to be probably 89, something like that. Now this is the fifth dimension. Up and away. Great songs, man.

My beautiful. That was a fun gig, man. So how do you go from playing that to Benetop? We'll get to that later. You're playing the same notes. You want to do, you want to play for this song. Okay, Jim Webb's songs are probably some of the best songs you're playing in your life. Burke Backerack songs.

Every time I played one less bell, I would get the chills. She's coming in next week. Is that right? her, his violinist. The violinist. She was right around the corner here. Really? And she's on tour with Bert or the other guy.

It's either Bert or Paul Anka. Oh, Paul Anka. She's either. She's working all the time. Yeah, she's with Anka. Either or. I see her tweets and I'm like, you know, she's out at fucking Peters with Paul Anka and fucking, you know.

So I guess he opens up for both of them. She goes from Bert Backrack. And, you know, Paul Anka, who didn't he write us so? for. Oh, Jesus. Who didn't he tell cut your hair, you'll do a lot better. He heard a thousand stories like that. He told what's his name to cut his hair? Next day the guy became out and drowned or something.

He was one of those guys. Oh, yeah, it was definitely a heavy influence. Yeah, he's a heavy influence. Yeah. Oh, I was going to tell you the story about, I'm standing there in the club, and who comes in with the Stones? Bobby Keyes, Charlie Watts, Woody, and Keith Richards. They're all on stage. All of a sudden they're on stage.

Jagger wasn't there. But they're just jamming on songs. I mean, to have that happen to you out of nowhere, it was just amazing. And where was this? This was at B.B. Kings in Memphis. Memphis. Okay, yeah, right. I heard that they did all that crazy.

Right. They just walked in. They were on stage in a minute. I mean, I was getting chills. It was just great. And what were they playing? Oh, they were just jamming. Jamming.

Yeah, they were jamming no specific song or anything like that. But, you know, it was four-fifths. the stones man and what year was that that was probably about i'm thinking early 90s late 80s were they still recording down there in uh alabama they didn't do much work down there did they i don't know how much what's in that studio uh muscle shoals muscle sholes i think it was mobile i think muscle sholes was prior to that prior that goes back a minute i think yeah they came over i think when because when early on before they had their work visas or something yeah they used to have to just go to muscle Sholes or one of those.

They didn't have enough money to buy the visas, right? Something crazy. Couldn't buy it. So you're in L.A., you're kicking it around. I'm kicking it around for a long time and, you know, just starting to get better gigs, little stuff like

that. And, you know, then you start getting into the more touring session-y kind of guy. But at that time, there was so much work. I mean, there was casual work, you know what they call. Casuals. You know what they are. They're just like gigs that you go do. And put

guys together, you just show up and you all play songs because you know a bunch of songs. And that's what they are. But then I started getting more serious about it and really aiming for the session thing and, you know, trying to get on tours because as a side man, you could make great money at that point. Not like it is today. It's, you know, like everything has us, the budgets have gone down. So, you know, make the same kind of dough. But yeah, it was just an interesting time. There was so much music going on and you could just work your ass off. You know, I would do 60 gigs in December,

you know, in a month. Just session work. Just, well, session work, live work, you know. Yeah. So there was a lot of work back then. And then I started getting more into the touring thing. And then I got the call to, it was funny right after the earthquake. I was on my hands and knees. In 94? In 94, yeah. I'm on the kitchen floor, repairing my

floor because it was damaged from the earthquake. And the phone rings, and it's Neil Geraldo. And I was back in the days of call waiting. So I get a call. I says, excuse me one second, can you hold on? And I got a call to go out with Jethro Toll at the same time. You know, so I go from no work to two really good offers. And my wife at the time was pregnant with this young man.

I thought, well, you know, the family thing is probably a better situation for me. And the Ohio connection, because Myron was still in the band. Niels from Parma, Ohio. And I said, you know, that looks really attractive to me. So, went out and did the audition, like, I think, three times. And then it comes time to meet Patty. And she walks in, she goes, let me see her socks. So I show her, my white socks.

She goes, you're from Ohio. You're in the band. That was my audition. What was your connection to Jeff O'Toll at that time? How did you get to? Don Perry. Don Perry was the drummer at the time. And you were friends with him?

I was friends with him. And that's the advantages of just doing session work? Yeah, just getting tied in with people. Baa, blah, blah, blah, blah. How had you had met Neil before that? I only met Neil one time. What was the club in the valley that, Pelicans Retreat used to have great music out there.

So that was quite a musician's hang in Calabasas. So I met Neil, because, you know, Myron's association with me and stuff. So I had met him before, but they really wanted a girl because they wanted a real high vocal and stuff, and they ended up with me. What happened to, Roger Capps? round. What's he doing? He's playing bass and bands. Yeah. He just

didn't want to talk with Pat or whatever. Well, I think they just had sort of a changing of the guard because they had, you know, a few bass players after that, some New York Sessiony kind of guys, you know, came into the band for a while, Fernando Sanders, and he was Lou Reed's guy. And, you know, so they had

some different players for a while, and then when they wanted to come back, I guess I kind of got in the mix, and that's how I ended up being there. That was 25 years ago. How many albums? have you done for it. Probably about six. No shit.

Yeah. What a job to get, huh? Yeah. Yeah. Especially in this day and age where it's not a lot of music is coming out mainstream. Yes.

All these older bands are just raking it up, you know? You've got to be an alleged act, yeah. If you want to work seven nights, it's out there. They have nostalgia acts, bands. And, you know, a couple of years ago, I hosted at the Hollywood Bowl for, like, groove is in the heart.

to know who the fuck it was it was like four disco bands or some shit yeah this had to be 15 years ago and i was like wow look at all these people yeah i thought oh broke it shoot my broken arrow through my heart okay whatever they were fucking called it was like them uh the chick who sang if i can't sang you if i can't have you i don't want nobody oh yeah what's her name jesus the gogos the gogos yes the go goes and i went down there a little cute chick from the gogos is there and walked up with her and i remember going who the fuck's going See the go-go's. Yeah.

It was packed. It's unbelievable. It was packed. We've toured with them. And I had a kid here, and Kid and Play was telling me that he goes on those soul things. It's three songs apiece. Yeah. MSWV, they only had three songs anyway.

Right. That's all you need. I just did that in January. What'd you do? Oh, geez, who did we do? Blue Magic, the Shylights. I saw you had the Shy Lights on your resume. I saw you had Keith Emerson.

on your resume? Oh yeah, I did quite a bit with Keith. That was a lot of fun. How was Keith doing these days? Keith passed away. Did he really pass? He's been gone. You know what kills me about Emerson, Lake, and Palmer? I don't judge a man by his money. I don't judge a man by what he drives. I don't judge

a man if he beats his woman. I don't give a fuck. I looked through your record collection. And when I was a kid, if you didn't have brain salad surgery, you gave the cup of corporal or whatever back to the mother. Yeah. Thank you, Ma, for you.

And you told him to go for you. You had to have Led Zeppelin, too. You got to. You had to have, there was certain arms, aquilung, double-life gonzo. Like, you had to have the Beatles. Not everything before fucking, they didn't smoke dope. When they were walking around like the 12th commandments,

I don't want those Beatles. I want the ones after they met the Hindu. Tomorrow never comes. Tomorrow never knows and all that. you know like that was I don't even know what I was talking about the deeper shit the deeper shit that's what I really yeah that's what you go for that's what I really fucking go for but there's a lot of great stuff out there I mean my first concert was James Brown how good was he oh I saw stupid good I'm there with my white girlfriend and we're the only two white people in the audience but it was

my first concert my mom had to drive us there I was so young but from that segueing into all this great rock music and we have some of great rock band In Ohio, I mean, you know, the human beings and a lot of great bands, local talent, glass harp and stuff like that. Chrissy Hyde? Yeah, she's from Alliance. Yeah. Yeah. I saw her, she did like four shows in New York.

You know, in the 80s, she just didn't go to New York. You went to the garden. You were there. Yeah. So you did two at the garden, one at the Meadowlands, one at the Coliseum, and then in the summertime, they had that beach place. Jones Beach. Jones Beach. Every time you play there, it rains.

It always rang. She broke her leg. She did. She broke her leg on a Saturday. They canceled the show on August 4th, which was like a Monday. Yeah. And Tuesday, they rescheduled the show. That bitch came out with crutches.

And did it. Took the crutches, threw them into the audience, and so let's fucking do this. People were killing themselves. They had never seen that. She's from Ohio. That was 84. That was, uh, Bum, bon, no, no, no.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Everybody's perfect. Not even the perfect. Strange, all that shit. Fucking tremendous. I was at that show. The drummer, I had seen them earlier in a smaller joint, and he would do shit with his drumsticks.

He would point at you and hit the drum, and the stick would come to you. Catch it out of the air and shit. There's some crazy. You know, it's changed so much over the years. It's changed crazy, man. But after I started talking to you, I started watching her performances,

and you know, from this last tour, there's a couple of people who did, you know, Puerto Rican cassettes. It's not like fucking a normal camera guy. It's like some chubby chick eating the corn. You can hear eating the corn and fucking, yeah. Back to chomper. I love this song. You better run.

Pieces of corner flying out of her mouth. What was the last album you put out with Pat? I think our last record, well, we've done a couple live ones, so it's not all been studio stuff, but the last one that we did, summer vacation was, I forget what here it was, and we did go.

That was around 2001. And we've had some releases, you know, like access video releases and things like that. But we haven't really done a proper studio record for a long time. How do you feel? How do I feel about the Benatar situation? By your life. About my life? Man, I'm blessed.

Are you kidding? I got two great kids. You know, I get to play music for a living. I've kind of segued not out of music into pizza, but pizza gives me a lot of satisfaction. You know, it's a fun factor that doesn't exist in a lot of places. You know, it's pretty, pizza people are fun, man. They like to have parties.

They like to rock. They're like rock stars. This guy that I study with Tony Jiminyani, I call him the Jimmy Hendricks of pizza. I used to call him Mick Jagger, but that's a little old for him because he's a young guy. But the guy is just like nonstop, and he's the best pizza in the world if you like his style of pizzas, you know. So he's done a lot for me.

You know, I feel blessed to be able to have these two careers to bounce around back and forth. Of course, it drives you. No, that's because you're busy all the time. You're always taken up and consumed with something. And my kids are getting older now, so I don't have to do as much child rearing as I once did. But, yeah, I'm blessed, man. And I'm still alive. You know, before the show, we were talking about,

Lee was saying about will and stuff like that. For people to understand, when you hit 50, you get hit with a dose harder reality the first week. Yes, you do. Like after you block the candles, happy birthday. Yeah. You're 50 and it's fun. You know, you start going, you know what?

I'm on the other side. Yeah. I'm a lot more behind you than you're doing for a lot. I have a lot behind me. And life becomes a little different. You look at it through a one-eyed telescope now. You know, my big pet peeves in life is my time. I can't believe how I've changed my time the last 15 years.

Even before Mercy, I think once I stopped doing the drugs, my time really became valuable to me, something that I had no concept at when I was 21. Because when you're 21, you can't. I know the whole time in the world. But you know what? you really fucking don't. You really fucking don't.

No, it's a surprise. It's a fucking surprise. You're like, you know what? I ain't gonna go down there. I'll learn how to be a baker next year. And next year doesn't come. You get into a little, you fall, and now you got a fucking hump for a leg,

and now you can't be a bacon. Right. You got to be a fucking singing opera. You know, it's just you appreciate time. You know, when people call you up and they go, hey, hi, I'm having a party for my 40th birthday in Santa Monica. I'm gonna spend it by yourself, bitch.

Because I ain't got an hour to drive down and an hour of back with your creepy little fucking friends to sit around with hats and wish you, you're gonna throw yourself a birthday party. Get the fuck out of here. Check, please. Yeah, check. So, I gotta go. You look at your time and you, we begin.

You know, you said it yourself. I mean, you know, you tell your son the pizza parlor when you're cack, because it becomes a reality. You know, I love to give my wife a stabbing in the morning. can't know more because the highest time they get a heart attack is between 5.30 in the morning and lunchtime. I stick to those statistics. Is that right? The high, after you turn 50, yeah? The most vulnerable you are to a heart attack is between 5.3 in the morning and lunchtime. That's why I don't go jumping up and down on 8. When people call you up, help me with this bureau,

go fuck yourself. I'll see you at 1215. Once I get out of the earthquake zone, then I'm out. Come help me lift it. Go lift it yourself. Call the fucking. Go to Home Depot. There's two guys there for a small 50 and a fucking pizza from Palmer to help you out. But it's so weird how you start looking at those things. And yeah, I go box.

Absolutely. And I go lift weights at 10 and heavy fucking weights. But you start looking at those things. You know, when my mother died, it was a party. A mother died there? We have a half a million dollar account waiting for you. When my mother died, nothing. There was nothing.

There was no will. which meant my father got the money and he was my stepfather. He got everything. So I learned about life to hard money. Yeah, I got none. He threw me out of the house. That was it.

No social because she didn't work under her real name. She worked over there and her an alias. She would have drove Trump crazy. I think everything drives me crazy. You know, you have to start thinking about your kids. You have to. And you have to leave them a certain knowledge, not to fall apart.

That's why you bring it up. Because, hey, dog, it's like this. You can just get off the phone. What are you doing? Nothing. I'm over here. I just had a fucking... The sausage is giving me heartburn.

Yeah, you got... I'll take a shit, and I'll call you. Next thing you know, there's an ambulance that you're dead. God forbid. The sausage was a little heart attack because that happened to my buddy. Carmine Bousan. He called him.

When I went to call him back, his wife, his son-ans and said he died, he must have called you five minutes before. He had a heart attack in the bathroom. You don't take nobody for granted. When you look at your kids, when my story, when I think of my story, that's why I write something like Sons of Anarchy.

I write something from my daughter every day in that notebook. So if something happens to me, before you tell her that I took your base, and sold it for two eight balls, she's going to read about it first. She's going to know it first time you see your fucking Mick, and it tells you about that I stole his two bass guitars and sold him for an eight ball.

Tommy's lying, I got a half ounce of coke in front of the eight ball. You don't, no, but I'm just saying that, We speak like this. We really, so guys like you and I are fucking super fortunate to even be walking around. How many musicians do you know? Oh, that are gone?

That you went, never mind gone. That did one too many hits of Coke, one too many drumsticks to the head. Yeah. And now they're walking around like Stephen Adler. Oh, yeah. There's a lot. There's a lot.

There's a lot more of those guys than what there is guys like your father. 50s successful I mean he's not Led Zeppelin with a fucking plane getting your dick stuck on a shark on some chick's pussy but you're working yeah Led Zeppelin stuck a shark up some chick's pussy

Jesus is that right? A little baby shark a little baby shark oh right now which happened first is probably a dildo right now as it stands two of the guys from Led Zeppelin would have been thrown in jail today there's a rumor that that it's well known

Jimmy Page traveled with a 16 year old on the road for years. For years, 16. Yeah. And somebody, I think Bono, Bonzo, Gonzo, drummer had another issue also. He liked little fucking girls that were young. That was looked over when you were.

In fact, if you read Keith Rick, that's why it's so weird that you guys did live albums. Because if you read Keith Richards' book, one chapter is divided to what happened to the live album and show. We know in the 70s, everybody had a live album. It started with Peter Framper. Sure.

Than Lizzie. Frampton live in Yucatan. What was that cheap trick, live in Budacom? Oh, Jesus, yeah, man. Everybody wanted to go to fucking Japan. Judas Priest, out of the East. Everybody was releasing these live albums, and all of a sudden, you see Riann releasing a live album?

Good luck. You see fucking Britney Spears releasing a live album? Because you've got to do it. You can't fix it. They said they forgot that the industry got so technical. they forgot how to wire a drum. That's why I asked you about the bass. Yeah.

Are there still people that, you know, bring out a big bass just in case? Yeah, you can do that. Well, technology is your friend as well. I mean, you know, drum machines and things like that. I used to hate them in the 90s because bass players are losing all kinds of work to synthesizers and drummers were losing the work to the drum machine. But they're a tool for you to use that you can blend them into your music and they can help you in a lot of ways.

but it doesn't have it shouldn't mean the demise of performance and learning how to play there's no subject to do you play the organ also because of john paul johns uh no i wish i had my mom used to always say i wish you would take piano lessons why'd you play the organ why you do this i go my i just want to play the guitar i want to be in the beetles i want to be in that you know i want to do that so i wish now that i had that knowledge but yeah when he's doing no quarter at the gone. Oh, man. And he's playing the synthesizing. He's fucking doing the bass, and you're looking at him

with his little Bo Peep haircut. Because he had that fucked up little Bo Peep hair cut. There's a... We all had some weird dudes going on. Oh, my God. When you look at those album covers, you know, there's some stuff. One thing about me is this is the same do I had in 78. Yeah. I've never changed hair dues. This is it.

Jell, comb it back, and that's it. That's a good way to go. That's it. I never had time to spikes. Yeah. I never hung out with punk rockers. This is it. My hairstyle has not changed since day once. Once the damn shag went out, that was it for me. I was like a half of fact. I was 13.

I had the line of him over here like Dick Van Dyke. Oh, yeah. But Dick Van Dyke wasn't getting pussy. You know what I'm saying? He probably is now. He's about 100. He needs 22 by Aguiz. That poor bastard.

Hey, I didn't tell you, Led Zepplin was my second concert. Really? Yeah. Where? James Cleveland Public Hall. What did you think? What year? What year?

What was out? That was, it must have been 69 probably so only the first record was out and they opened up with the immigrant song and I never heard it and there I am at a big concert you know I'm a young kid

and I had a camera and I was shaking like a leaf you know I was standing in front of the stage and here I'm here ah and all this shit and man it just killed me I was just so blown away $6.50 cents $6.50 Who opened for?

Nobody went to see the opening band in those days. Nobody did. I don't think they had an opening act at that point. I think it was just them. So now you're touring? You do the music. Yeah, touring, doing the music. And one day you say, you know what,

I'm going to open up a pizza ball. Well, I always loved pizza. You know, growing up in Youngstown is a pizza parlor on every corner. And it's all good. You know, you know, at food in the Youngstown. Talk about Colamond. You know, Alicabri has the best Colamont that I've ever had. But anyway, it was just a great way to grow up.

And all the pizza was great. I loved it. I loved the whole Sicilian tradition. My father passed when I was young, and that was the Irish side of me. But I didn't really know that side as much as I did the Sicilian side. So pizza was part of the deal, you know, Sunday gravy, grandmas and all that. So I always had this romantic thing going with pizza. I love it.

And then as I started a tour, you'd get some shit pizza, and then you'd get some really great stuff. And we call it bust lobster because it shows up far too often. And so I just started to think about it. And then what I found out through investigation was there was so much cool stuff going on out there that I started to go to the pizza expo and really get into it and become familiar with the guys that were the top dogs. That's kind of what precipitated this. And then, you know, part of getting older, as we said before, is you think in terms of, a little bit more longevity and a legacy.

And, you know, I'm probably not going to be as popular as, you know, Nick Jagger in this lifetime. So what am I going to leave for my kids? And so I just kind of all melded together and I got interested in it and started doing it. And then the boys are in it. So it's just like a shoe in. And who did you get to help you teach how to make the pizza? The pizza?

I studied a lot with the guy, Tony Geminiani, I told you about. I learned a lot from him. But I've gone everywhere. I've studied with the Hunt brothers who teach a Detroit style. Not necessarily teach. These guys are not all necessarily instructors. But they all have a great amount of knowledge. Michael Lamarck in Cleveland, Ohio, great pizza.

There's just a ton of them. So I would go study with these guys because I'd meet them all on the road. You'd say studies. You would go with them and make a few pizzas. Yeah, I go to their place. I go to their place. place for a couple days and if they'll have me I'll stand around and watch I make pizza. So I just kept going.

What style are you going for right now? Out of all the style. Well, that's our thing. We're into a multiple style thing. So we do Sicilian, New York, Ohio, Detroit, Neapolitan. So we're into this multiple style thing. And I thought I invented it. I'm looking around.

Nobody's doing this because everybody wants the pizza that they grew up on. It's the best friggin' pizza on the planet. So I thought I was going to do that and invent it. And then I found this guy, Tony. And I approached him and said, hey, man, you stole my idea. And we became friends because of that. And so I'm into the multiple style. Is Detroit good?

I haven't tried it. People have been telling me about it recently. It's like a thick, kind of like crispy sort of. Yeah. It looks cool. I've never had it. It's amazing because it's a medium thick crust, but it's got this caramelized cheddar cheese that comes down the sides

and just like a toasted cheese sandwich. You got the mozzarella in the middle, and then the racing stripes of the sauce and everything. And then, of course, your toppings. But, man, it's just a great style. It's light. It's not heavy. Like, you think it's going to be a big heavy pizza. Sicilian can be, can possibly be.

But it's not a weight. Because it's not bad. If it's made properly, it's highly digestible food. And it's not like a sinker in your stomach. That's why we eat this cheap stuff. You're going to feel like shit. When you eat better pizza that's prepared properly, you're going to feel fine. You'll be fine.

Why do you think they ate a whole pizza in Italy? I sit down with a knife and fork and eat the pizza. And they ate a whole pizza, Neapolitan pizza, because it's so well-proofed and, you know, made digestible. So there's a lot to learn. You know, I love pizza. I know you do. I'm a man on the move. Come on.

The problem I have here is you're a man on the move. and, you know, I'm going to go in, the guy's going to come up to me, I got to tell him what I want, he has to write it down, put it on and out, then the pizza guy puts it in the oven, then I go to my table and he brings me the pizza, I can't do that. You want to come back in the kitchen cooking? No, I want the guy that I give the money to give me the fucking slice once and for all. Give you the slice.

Well, I'm talking to him, he's going, what do you want? Two cheese. He's throwing him in, and he's talking to the guy next me. What do you want, two cheese? What do you want with those two cheese? I want a large Coke and some fucking... That's old school, man. He rings you up.

He takes your fucking dish out, rings this fucking guy up and he's on a timer. He's on a timer in his mind. All of a sudden, he looks at yours, he pushes it over, pushes this one to the side, closes the oven. He goes, what do you think about those nicks? And then you tell him they suck dick, they cost you $100.

And then he turns around, he gives you your two fucking slices. Yeah. But I would go to a place in Hollywood where they had to give it to the fucking Mexican and the Mexican had to run it back to the other Mexican and then go back to Tijuana and then they'd fucking walk it back. That's not

a slice. A slice is on the move. If I come to buy a pizza yeah, then I sit down. But when I come in here for a slice, get two fucking plastic dishes, put it together, put the slice and fold it and just give it to me. Do not put it in a bag. If you put in a bag, a tree

dyed because you put it in a bag. One of the chances of this pizza of making it home. I'm 300 fucking pounds. What's the chances of this fucking slice making it home? Why are you giving me a fucking bag for? I don't need it. I don't need it. I don't need it. Can you eat it right now? That's right. It's like sushi.

Eat the damn thing. When I go eat sushi and I see people, I can I take this home? Listen, a minute. Go on the bathroom, there's Windex. Just drink that. Because that's what happens when you bring sushi home. It's made to eat right fucking there. And I'm not saying a good fucking, like if I go to a pizza place, if I come in and he's making a fresh pizza

but there's a pie and it's got a fly on it and it's kind of petrified I go, give me two of those because I want the one you're digging that? I want the one

that collagulated over now yeah oh yeah that's the slice that's fresh slice it's delicious yeah but the one that collagulated overnight

that motherfucker is on fire oh yeah and I just out that shit comes together usually I don't need pizza if I don't see in Italian that's true

I'm very prejudiced That's true. Listen, if you're everybody, I love you. Stick to hummus and black laba. Okay? I will never go in there and eat.

If you're Cuban, stick to Cuban food. Don't let me see you fucking making pizza. Authenticity means something. It means a lot to me. I don't care if you pick your nose or scratch your ass. I eat the slice. If there's a hair in it, God bless you. I'll take it.

Give me another one. God knows what's in your system. What are we talking about? Pizza. Pizza. You don't eat unless there's an Italian. But I just something I used to eat, there's only one guy broke the exception. When I was a kid, there was a guy named Nick.

Nick's pizza. He was a Greek, degenerate gambler. There's something about the East Coast. All them were owned by Greeks, right? That's a lot. This was in the 70s. He was the only Greek allowed in the fucking county, okay? That's when this was the 70s.

When three Italians would come busy and go, oh, your name ends with an S. Yeah. Saganacanus. is not happening no more. Next time you sell a slice, we'd like the place on fire. Yeah. Unless you make a partner in Italian. So it'll be Knicks and Joe's. I'm serious.

Like, people would not go to your pizza place. What's the place we saw on the way over here? It was Middle Eastern and pizza. Yeah, no, I don't go in. Italian, right? I got nothing against Middle Eastern people, but stick to what you know. Pick a flag. Make the kibby, you know.

Pick a flag. That's something that's indigenous. Pick a flag. No, no, no, no. to get away with the last name, the Irish last name, but my mother's name is Jim. No, I could tell that you have the thing in you. Even my brother, when I went home, he goes, I went to the sushi place from day, and I asked him about Japan, and they said they didn't know nothing about Japan.

And they were Koreans, and they never went back again. I go, okay, I'm not the only one that feels this way. Absolutely. Nick was a character. Nick would call me a spick in my face. He called everybody by that, and there was a kid who would buy a slice there and would go across the street to get a nice tea because it was a nickel cheaper, and Nick would run out go, you fucking Jews, go fuck yourself.

He would yell at him, and he put his Sicilian by the window. So we called it the Sicilian International Airport, because all the flies were coming and land. That was their takeoff and runway. That's where they would load up. You could see the other flies loading the guys of the cheese. And there was a fan right by it. So the flies had to get off the pie and then go through the fan

without getting their hot head chopped off. Nick drove a hard bargain. If you were a fly, he just weren't going to walk in there and eat his pizza. But he kept the Sicilian by the window. And I always go, Nick, come on, give me half price. There's been flies shitting on there all day. I'll take, fuck you, you fucking spick. One night I went in there with quailudes, and he stopped calling me spick.

I was in there. Because you fed him, I was in there with two quailudes, and my buddy threw a whole thing of crushed red pepper at him. He had a bee, and he would call him. who many. My buddy had a beat, so he would call my Atola Kamani. And my buddy's like, I'm fucking Italian, all right? Stop with the Ayatollah.

And he threw a fucking red pepper thing out of. Oh, we were savages with Nick. And I remember I was like, I had puke all up my shirt. And every time he saw me after that, it was 1982, so he called me Balushi. He would say, you're going to die. Like Balushi. You should die like Balushi. I used to sell them all the hot gold.

Anytime we robbed gold, I would sell it to him, and he'd look at it. And they'd look at me. Are you sure this is Goldspeak? Yes, it is. And he'd look at it, 14, got it. I'd give you $50. But he would take it, and he'd put in an apron right behind the bathroom. And I would wait until he'd stock up.

And then I'd ask him to use the bathroom, and I'd steal the jewelry bathroom. And then I'd wait a week and come back, Nick. Resell him? And he'd look at me and look at the ring and say, I know this ring. He would sit there for an hour. I know this thing. That's resale.

Oh, my God. We used to torture Nick. He was such a degenerate gambler. He would just close. Like if there was a race at the Mell Islands in the afternoon, close. We'd be back in one hour. He'd got to go. And he would come right back.

Now, when I went to shoot the Soprano movie in New York, we shot in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn, and the guys were like, we're going to his pizza place this afternoon. But before we could go, the father still runs it. It's like the best pizza in Brooklyn. It's been there for a hundred. Oh, DeFar's. 100 years and the guy's 90 years old and he makes his own pizza

does not let his sons touch the pizza he makes the pizza the son walks the slice right out or he'll walk the pizza out from the kitchen the sisters at the counter and dom de marco is still standing there

it takes so long to get a slice you can wait two three hours I heard that there's times he has to take a nap oh yeah because he's so old Oh, he's got to be in his, like, 94, 95 now. Yeah. So you'll go there and the thing says closed and you'll see his two little feet hanging from one of the benches.

He just decides to take a little nap. You've got to go there, though. That's history. That's history. I know, we were going to go, but they said it's closed. We only had an hour for lunch. It was a half-hour drive. Oh, yeah. No, no, you got to wait.

Yeah, so we were already up there. It's not like I was making the trek from Manhattan, the Brooklyn, which is no big deal. But we were shooting a movie. They were like, let's go to that pizza. It's a mile from here. And then the guy called back, he goes, it's closed. We went on the set at 7 in the morning.

We had the 1 o'clock lunch. How cool was it doing Sopranos? The movie? Yeah. The movie was David Chase. That's cool. David Chase was something out of this world. I'm going to his birthday party next week.

Are you really? Yeah, they invited me to his birthday party. Like it's 80th or 72nd or something. Very cool. You play the bass, but you love music. I saw some whether you did something with Prince. you. Yeah.

You arranged some prints and whatnot. You know, it's really weird when you walk into the room, and I've never thought, I mean, in the back of my mind, for me to survive as a man, I have to think in my head I got the biggest dick in the room, you know. When I was, as soon as he stood next to me, I knew his dick was two feet bigger than mine. Gandalfini?

No. I didn't do this a problem with Gandalfini. I did the prequel movie. I got it. I just shot. it in May and April and June but when you're with David Chase you know that's what comedy ends like you strive that hopefully in 50 years you'll get to that point you know musically like I know if how have you been paying the baseball 40-something

years so 40-something years think about it when you're playing the base on your 60th anniversary I could basically turn the lights off strap the base behind your leg behind your neck and you can play it like it's that's what he is with yeah that's where he's at you don't know that about him until you're around him and then you watch the series again and you go why wasn't because me i'm pushing for the line he's not giving you that line he's making you watch the visual to make it funny he's making you work and he's making you work last week i went home this night's i go home and i go right and i'll throw on HBO to go and put on this Sopranos. There was an episode last week when Junior's at the hospital.

And he sees the chick, the old lady from the neighborhood, chicky's wife, and he walks up, but he's supposed to sit in a chair. And he goes, I'm not sitting in a chair. I'm standing. Oh, of course, yes. And also some big black guy came on. He goes, Mr. Soprano. And he goes like this with his voice. He could have said a thousand things. But David Chase saw the humor and him just looking at the black guy, looking at the girl, taking two steps back and just sitting down

and going like in his mind he told you look at the fucking balls on this yam yeah telling me to sit but he won't tell you that you know that's it unfold that's what we've forgotten in the night in the 2000s we've forgotten

your mind filling in blanks for movies we give you everything with a movie now when you watch the Exorcist it fucks with you mind. It lets your mind work. The directors used to make your mind work. Now you've got a camera, you're a director. That's true. What a director does. It's the same thing in music. It's the same. Right. So when you get around, I can't imagine being around Inspector Cluzzo. Who played

Inspector Cluzo when we would quit? Peter Sellers. Yeah, he's the correct. While he was shooting the Pink Panther, if you weren't there taking notes, you know, when I see planes, trains, in automobiles. I don't, John Candy stole the movie, but from a comedian standpoint, it was Steve Martin, because he had to learn how to tame himself down to let this guy

run. You're not going to how funny him, Steve, so knock that off. This guy could out funny you in a heartbeat, but he took his comedy and showed it to you in a different way. You know what I'm in the mood to watch lately? Tomorrow night, my blue heaven. Oh, I haven't seen that in a long time. When my mom

was here, we watched that movie. How great is that movie? It's pretty, I never heard of it, but it's pretty great. Remember, you married her. Yeah. I probably didn't get a lot of notoriety, did it? I don't know what year it came out, but it was just, it just didn't do it. Yeah. To me, those are comedy masterpieces.

When I saw Eddie Murphy Delirious, I knew that was a, when I saw Dice Clay Special, I know it was special. I love Dice. Special, you know, it's really weird to be around those guys. Like it is when Emerson Palmer walked in. Yeah. Or, you know, what would happen with B.B. King walks in. He looks at you and he goes, Tune in an A. Yeah.

And you're standing there going, tune in an A, I'm about to fucking shit my pants and puke. This is B.B. King in the fucking room. Yeah. You're sitting with one of the other people. You know, like what you said, you know, Jack White, whatever. You're just happy to fucking see these people. Oh, yeah. It's, I never liked Roger Waters.

I know his fucking ego. over power. We spoke about ego on Monday. I don't like ego. I don't like the fucking ego. I don't care what it is. I never liked the fucking ego and another of the prick that broke up because he broke up Pink Floyd and other fuck had broke up the police that fucking sting.

That ego of a cock sucker. You know, all those egos have always fucking killed me. Egos will screw up everything then. But now with music, it doesn't seem like the egos are there no more. These people are just. happy to be up there whether it's pat whether it's lennett skinned whether it's uh you know i speak to rudy a lot rudy goes on the road with a loving spoonful or one of those great funk railroad

oh grand funk is you play with grandfunk yeah one of those that's cool you know last year was uh uh the band from seattle not sound garden not nirvana not the other one the other one who's the other one from saying. I will light you close to you. Ah, I will help you see it through. Without silent lucidity. We're all drawn about. With our silent lucidity.

I forget the name of the band. He played with them for a couple tours. He's a busy guy. He's a working musician. Is he really? He's got to be 67. 70. I guess we're all getting older.

He's got a radio show, the music, you know. Queenshire? Queenshire. Queensrack. I know he was on road with Queensrack. It's amazing how you're not that distant anymore as a musician. When you and I were growing up, Led Zeppelin was a year away. They were a pond away.

We live in a world today where if we try hard enough, Jimmy Page just might answer you back on Twitter. You never know. Or Dave Gilmore just might answer you back on Twitter. Or Joey Diaz. Or Joey Diaz. Or fucking Mick. Where'd I meet you at church? Church, yeah.

My daughter. It was a real pleasure meeting you. Likewise. It was a real pleasure having you on. Thank you very much. I was going to meet a friend the last two weeks. Yeah. We're going to meet in the middle of Ventura and Studio City.

So I decided let's just meet a Thousand Oaks. At Palmer, she called today. And I go, no, he's coming down today. So I have to meet you next week. So I'll go to Parma. and I'll give my review and shit. Please do. I'm going to go in there with a disguise on so nobody knows when I can't cover boards.

He'll probably be there. No, he won't even recognize me. You got to see the disguises I come up with. No ranch. So it's in Thousand Oaks in Los Angeles? It's in Thousand Oaks. Yeah, I dress up as a nun. You won't even know it's me a fat fucking nun with big tits.

Is there any other kind? No. Where can these guys find you, brother? We are at 796 East Thousand Oaks Boulevard. And what's your website? Our website is Parma Pizzeria Novalitana. No, your fucking website. Oh, my website.

is Mick Mahan.com. You got pictures on there. There's pictures on there. There's a little taste of music here and there stuff. And you still do your own music also. Yeah, I do. I don't do as much as I used to because even the television businesses become diluted with a bunch of people that will give the music away for free. I can't see doing that, you know. I think people should be paid for their art. Do you have a stage at the pizza place? No, we do not. It's a very small pizza place. Why don't you have a stage? Because we're out of our minds. We started off real small, but just a little stage. A little stage. We've got into an open mic. We've had full bands in there.

Oh, you have? Oh, yeah. We've had full bands in there, the grand opening. And the best drummers in the world live in Thousand Oaks. I mean, they're all the studio guys who played on millions of records, and they all come in. You know, and they'll play. So we don't do it often, but I want to do a little bit more of that. Like Sunday afternoon, open up the front doors, bring a band in.

Who cares if it's too loud? you know it's just a ticket it's a ticket the ticket fuck them it's a it's a a voice and i will see you if i don't see you at the palmer i will see october 19th at uh saban saban yeah theater yes getting ready for pat benatow i have my fucking wish list all right songs she needs to play there's a lot of i bet you'll hear a bunch there's a song she put on the one album and me and my buddy were going through a lot at this time. He was fucking, he's a rich kid, but he was still going through hell. And I was

going, it was 83, it was getting nervous, and it's called Silent Partner. Oh, yeah. And I'll never forget, I forgot all about that, so. One day I was on the fucking plane, I had like two edibles in me, I had like three tututs in me, and I'm going

through when I see, get nervous. I go, let me put it on, I put it on, you know, calling for a stranger in the night and all that shit. when silent partner came on, the beginning, the synthesizer stuff, that first two chords had to rip my earphones off. It had taken me right back into that car. We used to drive up and down. We were both suicidal.

I mean, we had nothing going on with our lives. We were 20 years old. You're going to have kept us together. It was Pat Benetton. Is that right? Yeah. Pat, acid, some Black Sabbath, Led Zepp. Because the only thing that had kept to the,

living was that Led Zeppelin was going to make it yesterday yesterday of the day before was the 40th anniversary of Led Zeppelin at that festival what's the big festival I do every year Coachella no fuck no there was no Coachella back then cocella over in england where the stones opened up for skin it opened up for the stones the stones didn't have a choice skinned fucking blew them off the table they told they told skinn't not to walk on the tongue and Skinner went out there and walked on the tongue. It threw the stones off. They came out with Bowers, smoking cigarettes,

but that was Leonard Skinner. Edinburgh. Oh, in Edinburgh. So yesterday, two days ago, was the 40th anniversary of them playing Edinburgh. We'll look at that video when we end the podcast. You have to see Jimmy Page's heroin addiction. There was nothing to him.

They were dressed nicely, but he was just shirt. Just scratching and cheap? No, he was just shirt, and you could see the bones and sweat. Oh. He does Achilles' last stand. Well, yesterday was the 40th anniversary. So now the chitter-chatter was starting that they were going to do the states. I forget when Bonham died.

It's going to be the 40th anniversary. It's got to be the next month. He's been gone a long time. 79. It's got to be the next two months. And I still remember being at a restaurant and Muffin' Joe's eating a fucking egg-on, a jersey-style egg sandwich with cheese. Nice.

and they said, we'll have an announcement Saturday about a big band. In those days, you didn't buy tickets. You had a mail and a money order. And then they tell you if you got those more tickets.

No. And fucking... September 25th of 80. There you go. 80? That's what it says online, yeah? Yeah. I always thought it was 79.

Boy, it was I wrong. Mick, it was a real pleasure. Hey, it's you too, man. You got an open door. Anytime you want it to promote. Thank you very much. The fucking pizza parlor. a tour or a new album or a single.

I'm sure we'll hang out. Or a porno. Whatever you want to do, we're here for you, my brother. All right, man. Thank you very much. And now for a word from our sponsors. All right, I want to thank my man Mick Mahan. I want to thank the Christkiller, but most importantly,

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