The Church of What's Happening Now: The New Testament - #721 - Adam Zickerman

Episode Date: September 23, 2019

Adam Zickerman, founder of InForm Fitness, author of The New York Times best selling book, "Power of 10: The Once-A-Week Slow Motion Fitness Revolution," and personal trainer joins Joey Diaz and Lee Syatt in studio.  This podcast is brought to you by: ZipRecruiter - post your job to 200+ job sites with a single click for free at www.ziprecruiter.com/church CBD Lion - For all of your CBD needs, from shatter to gummies, go to www.CBDLion.com and use code CHURCH for 20% off.  MyBookie.ag -  Use code promo Church to get a 100% match on your first deposit up to $1,000. Check out Joey's Instagram @madflavors_world on Thursday for a new video where Joey teaches you how to gamble.

Those little squats get you stronger than fuck. Plus, they get the dick harder than debt. You wake up in the morning with that 14-year-old dick that's buried in the hole in your pocket. And mama's already cooking breakfast for the kids. I got to sit there with a heart on it. Think about what the fuck fucking pure strength, you cuck suckers. See what those squats do to your dick. It's nice to wake up with a heart on the right.

And all these little half of fruitcakes. I suffer from erectile dysfunction. I'm over here 56 with a fucking rock between. with my pocket that King Young Hume would look at and go, what the fuck is that missile? The Iranians would have dropped it on Arabs, everything with this fuck. I mean, it's a dick of death. It's the truth.

I get dirty thoughts at night. And you think it's because of the leg press? I think it definitely is. I really believe that squatting, I started squatting after I had knee surgery. Just fucking around with it on my own at the gym. I started doing it at the Y. Just squatting because I always knew that if you squatted first, it released something in your body to make you.

And I had the knee surgery. And within four months, I knocked my wife up at the age of 49 years old. This is a guy who doesn't do pills or drink alcohol, sleep seven hours a night's a little overweight. and he smokes pot like a motherfucker. So Harvard said if you smoke reefer, your sperm cell go down.

When women want to get knocked up, they have to tell their husbands to stop smoking pot because the sperm cell knocks. So here's a guy. No tight underwear either. Lee, at this time, tell them what we were doing. 2,000 milligrams of night.

We were eating 2,000 milligrams of stars and chocolates. And that was just what I was eating. And he, you always said I've had eight things today. Yeah. We were doing everything. We were doing ketamine. Whatever came on the show, we were getting down with no delay.

This is no blow, no heroin, no oxies. That's it. But everything else, every man for himself. We're in coding tablets. A.J. Benzze came on with fucking pensanols and fucking fentanyl. He gave me cat tranquilizers. Oh, I gave him crack. Oh, yeah, yeah.

We go deep on this show. But how do you explain? somebody being with somebody for 13 years having sex with them on a lay on a regular level and all of a sudden now yes that two years off of drugs and I start squatting again and when I started squatting I was squatting with 135 five sets of eight but I was working more on my form than to get hurt because I knew I was 49 years old and I would do three sets of eight deadlifts.

But when I walked out of there, I could tell something was going on and then I started getting hornier and hornier and hornier and hornier. And I knew I put it back to being 16 when I would hang out with, from 16 to 21, I hung out with bodybuilders. And then in Colorado, those bodybuilders became, they came from Brown University.

So my buddies from Jersey had gone to Brown, and at Brown they picked up cleans, jerks, deadlifts, and squats. So there was no more curling allowed. They had a no curling rule in the house. If we see you fucking doing curls, you're out. So every day, one guy was a garbage man, two guys were construction guys and myself. We would meet that.

downstairs at 6 and do this clean whatever program. But we incorporated Ira Wolfe. Ira Wolf was a Jewish guy in our neighborhood that went to the Olympics as an assistant strength and conditioning coach in 84. And his principles were the power at 10th in 1984. When you worked out with him before football, Before basketball, if you didn't play football, you had to do cross-country with him.

It really wasn't cross-country running. It was a little bit of sprinting and a lot of heavy weight, low reps, slow. Ben squats, he would call him. I still remember his bench squat, and I still remember my vertical jump going from 28 inches to now. I could grab the fucking rim. And freshman year, my freshman year, I was jumping up

and grabbing the rim. I couldn't slam dunk. And I always accredited that to his training. His training was not two hours, guys. His training was very quick. Bing, bang, bench squats, overhead press,

something else, pull-ups. And I remember I couldn't do pull-ups so he would put the bench under for me and just make me hold. at a certain time and then let gold. I remembered all that shit. And you know, you would walk out of there, not exhausted, but you thought every vein in your body was about to pop.

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On the show today, tremendous friend, guest, trainer, entrepreneur, the whole fucking pioneer. Andrew Zickerman. Right? Adam. Adam Zickerman.

Andrew, what the fuck. I'm nervous. The original crisis. Killers with me here, Lee Syed after a long weekend. He's got stories from San Diego. Some girl got into the car and wanted to sexually abuse him. And he went the other way

and down 9-1-1 as usual. She was married. And then she started shit. I have like eight stories like this. I don't know what it is about me that attracts the creeds. She wanted to kill her ex-boyfriend's chickens. It was the weirdest night of my life. Sure, it wasn't. And the whole time,

nothing. You didn't have to ask. She was married. Who cares? They're getting in your car. all bets are off. You know what I'm saying? It's like, you're like a lift driver. You're not supposed to suck your lift driver's dick. Well, whatever.

Adam, what's happening? How are you doing, man? Thanks for having you to LA. Absolutely. I had a great time training at your gym while I was there to shoot the soprano film. And it was a great experience. You know, the whole thing that you do

is still so far hidden from the world. And it's, I tapped on to the power 10, like I just said to you, in 1980, had to be 1979 with this cat named Ira Wolf. And it was basically a way of working out that, you know, all your other coaches were making you run hills and, you know, you went home that night and every bone in your body ache. You know, Lee and I were part of a kettlebell class. You know, you look back at it now.

He had a swinging 80-pound kettlebells in this weird positions. And if you went to the class on Tuesday, you couldn't walk to a fucking Friday. I mean, not walk. And you have to ask yourself, how is this benefit fitting my body? This, for the last couple of years since I had the baby, my desire is to live, to live a healthier type of lifestyle, the best that I can. You know, I'm not going to tell you, I'm not going to eat a pastrami sandwich when I'm in New York, but I won't eat the fries. I'll have a salad with it, so we'll go halfway.

But one of the things was I was trying to find a system that would work for a man over 50. I started reading about it. I, you know, I really loved jujitsu, but that was a four or three-day recovery. And then every time you went, your shoulder hurt, somebody got your shoulder lock, somebody got you in arm bar. and then I wanted to kick the caloric burn up. So I went with Muay Thai and Jiu-Jitsu. Mu-I-Tai, an hour movie-tie. You can burn up to 1,000 calories.

That's a fat burner. Plus, it would help a 50-year-old breathe a little better, whatever. But I felt there was something missing. After that three- or four-year experiment, I really thought there was something missing from my life. And unlike other people, I always enjoyed weightlifting since the age of 15.

I always enjoyed five sets of six straight bar just the main body parts no fucking around. That's a bench press incline, bent over row pull over, curl, trisip extension,

squat and you're out of there. That's all you need. But that was the 80s. The 80s, you were built. Everybody wanted to be Mike Metzger in the 80s. Everybody was still, Mike Metzter was a guy that devised a program. Mike Menser.

Menser. You're going to correct me a lot for that. No, no problem. I'm still coming down from that battery ass and guns and roses last night. Mike Menster had a workout that he did, what was it, 20 sets per body part. So if you did your chest, you had to do five bench presses. five inclines, five dumbbells, and then a set of flies five times.

You think about that. That's a lot of fucking work five days a week. And you had a cover. There was either the push-and-pull method or there was just a straight-up, you know, three days a week of squats. And I had friends that made, you know, we were big in that in North Bergen, New Jersey.

I still remember my buddy making Puerto Rican squat machines with the wire. and they would get their uncle to weld a piece, and they would put two 35-pound plates with a wire string, and they would get a broomstick, and we would pull it down at the house. And, you know, I mean, this was, everybody had their own homemade gym.

That's really cool, actually. Everybody, everybody, and everybody had different techniques, but there was this one kid, Fernie, that disappeared for a summer. He's Cuban. He ate steak and black beans and rice every day for a summer. summer and he stuck to a regiment of five sets of six which included behind the neck presses and we were all gung-ho on it so the whole neighborhood wanted to get big some of us did Winstrow and Winnie V some of us didn't because I don't like needles so it was always something

that I really enjoyed so when I was looking for that gap in what was going out my life, I wanted to burn more galleries. I ran across your book one night, online. And I read, it was excerpts of your book and what your message. Yeah, I never asked you how you found. Yeah, no, that's how I

found excerpts of your book. And then I found your gym. And sure enough, it's like I could fly to New York twice a week to train with the man who wrote this book. So for the last five years, I've been going to this place to eat the green apple because they have the best heavenly chicken, no points on weight watches. It's having chicken in like a light sauce with no sugar and white rice. And I'll go up there and it's basically

it's six points for the rice. And right after I shot my Netflix special and I thought my life was a mess. I went, there was no parking on the street, so I parked in the back. And as I walked out, I looked and there was a small boutique, very what you'd say in my world, L.A.ish type of gym. Like I had to go in there and talk about, you know, my service dog and I know how to go and talk about, you know, because it's next to a yoga joint. And I've sat there many of hours eating Chinese food, my wife or Lee or friends or agents and I have sat there and watched these fucking yoga people, you know, walk out with their tea, and chia seeds on the way out and faking the funk. And you look at this gym and they had a pamphlet.

And I took the pamphlet and read it and I took it home and I go, Jesus, God works in mysterious ways. And I called them up and I went for an initial consultation. And I got to be honest for you, the first three weeks. I thought it was kind of bullshit. I'm like, I got taken. That's what I get to for being a fucking asshole. There's a CrossFit gym by my house. I could go on, any group on,

and right now in Studio City, there's a thousand strength gyms that'll let you go in there and do whatever the fuck you want. And there was an interesting strength-based school in Burbank that they made you strength lift and then jujiu-jitsu.

I liked it, but I'm 56. Who the fuck's got that time? But I got to do curl. I got to do squats and then go on the mat and show how the squats work in my jiu-jitsu. So that's how I found you, Adam, was through the book, little excerpts. They spoke a lot about Ken Hutchinson,

the guy that did the studies in 82. Ken Hutchins. With the older people. But it also, I yelped them, and said he's a dick so they said to reach out to you no no no I'm just teasing he's eccentric he's very he has his enemies and uh they just said that you will you know you have articles and vanity and all these magazines and I just became very interested in your science and how you got involved in this yeah well I I give myself credit not for

pioneering this because it was Ken Hutchins and it was Arthur Jones who Nautilus founder and the Mike Menser's. Mike Menser was very close with Arthur Jones. Tell these motherfuckers about Tom Platt's. Can you make my thighs look like Tom Platt in six weeks? Yeah, well, you know, no. I don't think so. You know, you know, it's hard to know. I mean, genetics is a big factor in all of this. And we don't know if you've ever achieved your genetic potential and how you did it you know so it's possible to make your legs like his i know i can't make my legs like my skinny-ass jewish legs you know there's no way but uh you know going back to how i my involvement in this technique was just hearing these guys these obscure voices that no one wanted

to listen to because conventional exercise and marketing was taking over cardio and jane fond and all that stuff so it's hard to break through those voices and less was more you know and these ideas. So I was like, this is something because I was like you. You're talking about all the stuff you did and how you got hurt. That's what happened to me. You know, I got very hurt doing all the crazy stuff. I was working in a lab. I was a scientist early. I graduated with a degree in science and I thought I was going to be in research my all life. And I'm in the lab. I'm a low man on a total pole. You know, there's all these really smart researcher biochemists there. And I just gets I'm just out of school and I'm washing test tubes and stuff and uh but I am the only jock

there I'm the only guy there that cares about exercise you got all these science nerds you know and so here I am proselytizing about exercise showing off telling him you all have to exercise you'll have to exercise you'll have to exercise and my boss a genius guy says him you know Adam I hear you talking about exercise a lot you know that we should all do this we should all do that and we watch you and you're working out every day and you're doing this and you're doing that I got to say you look like shit I'm like whoa and uh that really took me it back and he went on to explain what he meant he says listen you look good you know you're 19 years old how bad can someone look at 19 years old but you know you always hurt you're sick all time you're your your nursing injuries you know you've already had back surgery

from a from an exercise injury if that's what exercise is about you know count me out and it wasn't until many years later that I came across Ken Hutchins and Arthur Jones when I realized that, and this is a big, big moment in my life because I always had what my boss said in the back of my mind, but it never really clicked until I was reading Ken Hutchins, and I realized that what good is exercise and what good is getting fit if it's going to undermine your health. You know, my dad is a perfect example of somebody that was fit his whole life, and now he's had double bypass surgery, he can't walk, he's a walker. His quality of life sucks, ironically, because of how he exercised. He beat himself into the ground with orthopedic problems and all this talk about cardio and running marathons.

Meanwhile, he's had triple bypass surgery. You know, I was like questioning all these, like a scientist says, you know if there's an exception to the rule the rule is wrong you know that that's richard fame in that the nobel prize winning physicist who said that uh from caltech he you know if with all this cardio going on how come orthopedic surgeons are are booming obesity is higher than ever if it's supposed to burn all these calories you know i i was like there's got to be something to this this this is not the answer we don't know everything there is to know exercise you know we have the site guys in our society now you know that that there's

two types of exercise you know cardio and strength training you know that's changed it's not true that it's you don't it's not separate anymore you know it's work out hard like you were talking about like that that Jewish guy you were talking about Ira Wolf I think you said yes you know he knew he had this intuition that was back in 82 say lift way slowly less is more you do the basic exercise you do the full body full form He focused on full form. He had that intuition.

And the breathing, which at 19, 16 and 17, you're looking at somebody going to fuck you. I don't need my breathing. He was amazing. That's amazing he would actually talk about. He worked on breathing. Before you put a bar on your neck or got into a rack, he would make you do the movement of the squat to the breathing. to the breathing, but you went away from it. You didn't think, wrong.

Relax, breathe. Wrong. You know, if you hear all that, you're not doing something. And you didn't realize it. You know, I didn't realize it until seven years later when I was swimming. I went to Boulder and joined the master swimming program. if you swim like a gorilla, see how long you'll last. If you relax your body like water, like Bruce Lee said,

and just let that wrist take you, and all of a sudden you'll swim two more miles because you're not tense. When we swim, we feel like we got a l-slash-splashing. And look at the guy next to you. He's not even fucking making noise, but he's not burning any energy either. and that was that that was like rule numbers whatever in your book don't hold your breath yes breathing

as you know breathing don't hold your breath nice free relaxed breathing your blood pressure goes up your performance goes down you're trying to get the most out of your muscles and you're depriving them of oxygen stupid so back to what where you came up with this whole angle like i said i didn't come up with it so like here i am i'm like uh remember i have my boss's voice in the back of my head and then ken hutchins starts talking. Then I read Ken Hutchins, he's like, you've got to breathe. Less is more. You know, we're killing ourselves.

You know, you don't have to lock out your joints. You know, one set of failure, you know. I was like, oh, my God. I mean, all of a sudden, the voice of my boss back in the laboratory just came to me. I'm like, he was right. The whole time, he was right. And then it took me to hear it a second time from Ken Hutchins many years later, many injuries later, you know,

to realize, oh my God, you know, we're approaching this all wrong. You know, it's about muscle failure, not how you got to muscle failure. It's about getting to muscle failure and not fucking yourself up in the process. And like you said, you're 50 years old. What are you going to do now? Jiu-Jitsu, yeah, you can get in great damn shape doing Jiu-Jitsu, but you can also get seriously hurt doing Jiu-Jitsu. And then you're out for six months, so it's the law of diminishing returns.

I see the top kid over there had brisitis. He didn't know what was going on, his knee. you got a staff infection is fucking me he had a surgery that's serious stuff that's serious stuff this is something that so I'm not looking to get off remember I just don't sit at home with ice pack I lose my wife doesn't eat

we don't eat I gotta go on the road we could eat so I can't do anything that I got to walk around you know there's six hour flights that's bad enough for your back like I tell people all the time it's not the lifting weights there it's my back it's the three hours in the computer trying to try but type of fucking act so sitting sitting is the worst thing for you in the fucking world I know you're gonna laugh at me but maybe you should get a

standing desk I'm no I'm way ahead of you I think that that's the next move I just we measured the desk the other day I have a big computer screen so we're gonna have to get a block well you can do those desks where they elevate and then go down right yeah yeah They have a different couple of ones. Stand for a little while. When you're sick of that, sit down for a little while. I went to my friend's office and saw the desk that, and he looks great by doing it. When did you consider writing the book about your findings?

So when I read Ken Hutchins and I had my boss on my head, I was like, okay, that's it. Game Changer. I'm changing my life. I realized I wasn't going to, all the researchers were making like $10,000 a year. And I was, you know, I was not going to make money in research for a lot. long time and money was you know part of my motivation for career anyway I was like I think there's a lot of people out there that would exercise if they knew that they're not going to kill themselves attempting to do it I said this needs to be known about this idea of working out slowly and

safely and get really strong without putting yourself in harm's way that's a big message that is a paradigm shift actually I hate that expression paradigm shift but this truly was in my mind And I said, I'm doing, I'm going for it. I'm going to take this information that no one knows about and see if I can popularize it. And so I started just training people in a basement. I started my business part-time, you know, in a basement of some smelly building chain smoker used to be in the space before me. And so my first gym actually smelled like cigarette smoke. But it was free.

And I was actually able to train clients and practice what I was. And I went around. I went down, spent time with Ken Hutchins. had all these mentors and I just learned as much as I could and I just went for it. Next thing you know it, one of my clients writes a letter to the local news station on Long Island, Channel 12 News on Long Island, a very local station and says, this changed my life. It's less is more. And I've tried everything else. I used to beat myself into the ground, but now it would die it and just working out once a week really hard, but safely, it's changed my body. So they sent

the news crew to my little hole in a wall basement. And I was like, wow. that was pretty easy. So I started writing letters to all the editors of all the major magazines everywhere. I just sent out 50. This is back in 97. I'm 30 years old now. It's back in 97. There's no internet to speak of. I can't just look in Google who's the editor chief of this place and that place and send an email. I was writing actual letters and I was buying all the magazines from the bodega to find out who these people were. I'd send out snail mail letters to probably 50 to 70 media sources. Just saying I have this text. technique of working out once a week, 20 minutes. I never wrote a press release in my life,

but I figured how hard can it be? Next thing you know it, nobody calls me except for one publication in New York Times. I mean, I sent out, like I said, between 50 to 75 letters and only one publication called me in New York Times. They sent a reporter and a photographer down to my hole in the wall in Massachusetts, New York Highlands, took a picture of me training somebody. And boom, I get called some publishers. Everybody wants some. know what's this about I get a million calls in Manhattan I don't have a place in Manhattan everyone wants to work out with me in Manhattan doesn't seem like anyone on Long Island reads the times because I didn't get I didn't get a single client

on long out where I was so I'm telling all these people that are calling me from New York I'll be open I'm I have a place I'm I'll be open in six months give me your name and number I'll be open in six months I lied I didn't have a place but I found I started looking for I got a broker I got a place in Manhattan I literally was open I think in eight months I called all those people back. 90% I didn't know who the hell I was. But 10% did.

And 10% came in. And my business on Long Island was doing very well, despite the fact that nobody read the New York Times article, but I was still doing really well there because people were talking. It was all word of mouth anyway. And believe it or not, my Long Island location supported the rent in Midtown Manhattan, a small little room in Midtown Manhattan. When you were there, Joey, it's much bigger.

I expand my... So you've been there since day one. I've been there since year or two. I had my business on Manhattan on Lassapagra in 97. I opened up the Manhattan location. And because of that New York Times article, I opened up the New York location in 99. In a small room.

And then the tuxedo place went out of business next to me. And that's when my book came out. It was perfect timing because that's when the flood of business came in. And then I became this media daughter. I had my 15 minutes of fame. for a while when the book came out and the rest is history. But it was the New York Times article

that led to the book deal. So I didn't seek out a book deal. As a matter of fact, it was funny. I was pretty pretentious at this time, full of piss and vinegar, and I thought my way, and the only way you can do this workout is if you have a trainer. So when they said, let's do a book deal,

I'm like, no, I don't wanna do a book deal because you can't do this on your own. You know, and they talked me into it because they said, well, the principles, the principles, the lifting weight slowly. The principles are working out hard and not killing yourself. That's universal. That's a principle that you can teach anyone. And you can do this with dumbbells, really, if you think about it, can't you? I'm like, well, that's true. So they had to kind of twist my arm a little bit, believe it or not,

to get a book deal, which is kind of weird. That's how full of myself I was, to be honest with you. But anyway, I did it. And I got a lot more press on that point than a lot of media people were working out with us in Manhattan. And so what do I get credit for? I think I get credit for popularizing it to bring it to the forefront as far as the development of this pioneering this now that that credit goes to Kent Hutchins author Jones and some people before them now when I go to the YMCA they have free weights and they have machines the machines that your facilities offer are they handcrafted for specific exercises like we spoke about your squat machine I really enjoyed your

squat machine. It wasn't like I was using my back. Yeah. I was basically, even if it was mediocre weight, because Jonathan was taking a little light on me at three minutes. Jesus fucking Christ. I think you learned pretty quickly that he's a pretty strong motherfucker. It's weird how are those machines specifically made for your style of training? Yeah, a lot of of them are. I mean, that's why... Is that what Ken Hutchins came in? Exactly, exactly. So Ken Hutchins said, by the way, we're doing all these things biomechanically incorrect, right? He says, you know, they're biomechanics here, people.

I mean, muscles have strength curves. They have weak points, and they have strong points, and you shouldn't be overtaxing a muscle at its weak point. And free weights and conventional machines do exactly that. And again, we're trying to avoid joint problems. And a lot of times the reason we get hurt during exercise is because the weight's too heavy when the joint is at its weakest position. So these machines that Ken Hutchins thought about, and Arthur Jones actually thought about even before him, is that you have to vary the resistance through the range of motion to match the weaknesses and strengths of that muscle group. So before that, you know, the weight was way too heavy through a range of motion. So now Ken

Hutchins says, you know what, we're going to make it lighter here, we're going to make it heavier here and match the strength curve of that muscle and make it much more friendlier for the joint, especially when you're lifting weight slowly. When you lift weight slowly, really magnifies those differences in the strength curves. So without getting too technical, bottom line is Ken Hutchins redesigned the original nautilus machines that Arthur Jones came up with and made it much more smooth and safer for the joints as you went through the range of motion. So yes, if you specialize in this type of technique of training, the slow lifting to failure,

there are machines out there that are more accommodating for that. If you work at, if you're lucky to work out a place like that, you know, that's great. It's like the Rolls Royce of this type of workup. But like my team at the publisher said, the principles are still the same, right? I mean, there are ways of getting around that if you know what you're doing. And that's what my book did. I knew no one was going to have access around the country and the world. The book ended up being a bestseller.

So, you know, there's a lot of copies of that book out there all over the place. And, you know, I came up with routines. I had nothing to do with my equipment because I knew people were going to really have access to my equipment. So I showed them how you can do it with regular stuff. There are some things you just avoid. You know, you don't want to do a lateral straight up like that. It really hurts the shoulder. And that's one of the most popular exercises around.

And people are doing this all day wrong. You got trainers killing people's shoulders without even knowing it, you know. So we show you how to do that without hurting your shoulders, even with a free weight. So they're little tricks, you know. And so you can just, honestly, it's not rocket science. You just want to avoid hurting yourself. at the beginning of the show, you don't want to get fit but not undermine your health. And part of that health is joint health. I mean, half the problem, I mean, you know, God

forbid cancer is a big one, right? But like after cancer and some of the big ones that really kill you, the next one is like living in pain your whole life with hip problems and back problems, or shoulder problems. Who wants to live like that? I mean, a lot of people, a lot of pain. And again, ironically, it's because they were told how to work out a certain way, doing jiu-jitsu in the name of exercise. Now, jiu-jitsu is great. One of the big things that Ken Hutchins love to talk about was the distinction between exercise and recreation. And what people do is they end up thinking they're doing something recreational like jujitsu or something really challenging, basketball, wrestling, right? These are sports. Sports were not meant to get you in shape.

Sports are sports. It's competition. Right? That's fun. It's challenging. There's a lot of benefits to playing sports. But it's not technically good exercise. If your definition of exercise is to get strong and not take any risk, and that's my definition of exercise. That was Ken Hunter. definition of exercise. It says exercise to get strong and don't put yourself in any risk. Play sports because you like sports and you like all the other things that come from sports but don't confuse it too. Don't confuse your exercise with sports and vice versa. So when you're talking about the clean and jerks you were doing and all those Olympic lifts are you doing Olympic lifts are you doing. Olympic lifts are

sport lifts. That's a technique. You know for exercises it's a poor choice for exercise because you're going to hurt yourself doing those Olympic lifts. That's a That's a tough stuff. That's why CrossFit is kind of like more of a sport to me than really safe exercise. I look at what's going on today. I look at football. I look at how they shine children away from football. Now, I came from a town where they encouraged football in the first grade.

All my friends that I come to my shows now have known each other from Pee-Wee football. and then you go on to Red Eagle Football and Red Brainer football and what my hometown does is they teach you those plays so when you become a freshman you already have the fundamentals of that play but along came called the Bruin mentality North Bergen is the second

hillyest town in the country behind San Francisco so every coach you had was Hill crazy I still remember freshman year this fucking scumbag of a man, Dan Ridden, who if we lost, would make us run up and down

a certain hell with our hands up. You know, it was barbaric ways of lifting. There were kids that were lifting to get strong and to benefit, and then it was the early 80s where it was an epidemic of syringes. So half of us,

to make a decision of who did what but no matter where you went in my hometown the workouts were brutal you know we'd pile on 300 pounds there was no science we kind of used irish science but today i can't shoot a basketball today there's a thousand things i can't do because i still remember putting 185 and doing behind the necks five sets of six and hearing things popping but you you weren't allowed to complain where I'm from there was no pain I remember at time we would make milkshakes with gallons of ice cream and 12 eggs because the barbarian brothers you remember the barbarian brothers no I don't fucking steroid twins from the 80s that just said that they didn't do steroids they just ate 36 eggs a day.

So here, everybody in America, you'd see people eating fuck. Everybody smelled like fucking farts, and everybody was eating raw eggs all day. One of those hard-balled eggs because of our barbarian brothers. But what we did, looking back on it, was destroying our bodies,

not looking at it. Now it's 2019. And Lee lives in my neighbor, and we'll attest to this. and we can take a ride after this and you'll see it. If once you hit Riverside or Magnolia, once you start going on those after Magnolia, you guys are going to start seeing a bunch of cross fitness gyms.

With the main one being one on Ventura Boulevard, that as you're driving, you see these fucking morons, Not even doing the farmer walks. They're doing the one-arm farmer walks. And, you know, I'm watching, you know, I go online and I see what they're doing. And it is amazing. I love kettlebells. But let me tell you something.

Somewhere along the line, you're going to get hurt with kettlebells. Because if you see that basic swing, look at the arch of your spine. Exactly. You nailed it. It doesn't take a fucking genius. and I'm not a kiniologist. I didn't take PE in fucking University of Colorado. I'm just telling you by looking and how I felt.

Thank you. When I was doing those things. Pavlov, whoever the fuck is name. What's his name? Pavlov's dog? No, what's the fucking guy that did the kettlebells? The hard style kettlebells? It's a Russian dude.

Oh, the Russian guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He made one great point. If you read what he read, he read kettlebells are designed not to burn. you out, but to make you feel like you did something. In other words, he has it. Like, this shit of 10 sets of 10 swings in 10 minutes and then 16 sets of cleans, that wasn't his intention.

That's what us, as greedy Americans, be number one, added to it. Whatever his name wanted you to do, three sets of 12, maybe three, three, sets of 10 cleans and maybe four techers get-ups and that was it it wasn't meant to destroy you it was meant to bring your muscles to be alive to energate the blood in your muscles and that was it but i think somewhere as us as americans we've abused this and in the next 20 years the injuries from crossfit are going to be these kids are not going to be able to wipe their asses we're going backwards We're going back. And that's what made me when I read your page, your book,

I read the pure strength pamphlet. I said, wow, we're on to something. Yeah, that's, you know, that's where you're working on, it's pure strength. I mean, like you said, it's a small little place. I mean, meanwhile, there's cross-foot all over a place. I mean, it drives me crazy. I will get in the car with you and you go, Joey, no, no, it isn't. I will show you just on Kofax.

There's two in the same center. So while you're waiting for the left to change on Ventura, you'll see them running upstairs with farmers walks, and they go back and forth. Once you hook that left, no exaggeration. 30 yards, it's called something, Lee. The kettlebell kingdom. Two floors.

I mean, listen, you got to do a lot of things. swinging to keep those lights on you know what I'm saying that better be a lot of motherfuckers swinging will you ever see our narcos Mexico I know the show I don't did you see narcos Mexico the episode of narcos Mexico the guy was saving the farm and he lost his eye so at the first meeting with the gangsters he goes what did you guys do you guys just let them take the weave from you and the guy raised his hands he goes signor I lost an eye and he goes yeah well I see a lot a motherfucker's here with two eyes.

You know, you could, it's, it's amazing. And you'll be driving on Ventura, and when it gets to be 99 on those days, because in L.A., it's 89 at lunchtime, it's parable. It's 3.30, where it starts, you get in your car and it says 108. Jesus Christ, and then you drive a little bit

and it's 99, or 100%. Drive on Ventura at 3.30 and see what you see when you make that left. You're going to go. Wait until a lawsuit start coming in. You know, they got them walking up and downstairs, running down Ventura, Farmer walks, doing this shit while they're running with fucking kettlebells. You know, it is, and you look at it now as a 56-year-old. I'm like, they're not getting nowhere.

They're killing themselves to live. but if I tell somebody that believes in that. Oh, yeah, you'll have an argument. People are going to send me a thousand things. I'm an asshole. And call me a fat fuck to saying this stuff. Well, so, Joey, like, what about Adam appeal to you? Because, like, as someone who has, every workout class and every gym always say, well, we're changing the game and this is different.

and everyone has like that claim and some of them suck and some of them are great what about his I critique you for yelping people I don't believe in Yelp Yelp could suck my dick A lady comes in and works out with Jonathan she really wants to suck his dick

so Jonathan is great but then I go see Jonathan he sucks ass I don't want to I took the style of working out and I just Googled it and Googled it and web-m-ded it and the results were results I wanted. It took away the beginnings of diabetes too because of the weight training and the rise of insulin.

It plays into that game. You also lost our weight. It played in the game of lowering your blood pressure. What's the first thing they tell you? Not God forbid anybody in this room. What's the first thing they tell you when your grandpa gets a heart attack? He made it because he was strong. What they just tell you?

They didn't tell you he made it because he could run from here to Montezuma's revenge. Thank God he made those runs every day. They really saved his life. They always say that to you. He made it because he was strong. I knew him taking out the garbage would do. do it all those years, whatever the fuck. Strength is big.

Yeah, you know, what I think to help you answer the question is that it's down to its basic common denominator. It's stripped down. It's actually stripped down to what you're supposed to do, the purpose of it. And that rings true to a lot of people. When you say exercise is just about getting strong, like you just said, it's not about being able to run to Montezuma, it's being strong. That's what saves your life.

And it's, for me, the message is very clear. Let's get all this bells and whistle stuff. and kettlebells and different techniques and killing yourself and working out really hard. Yes, working out hard is important. You've got to push yourself. But why push yourself to get hurt? That's a very simple question that can be easily fixed. Just work out hard.

Yes, work out hard, but just do it in a safe way so you don't pay the price later. That's all we're saying. That's all Ken Hutchins said. And that rang true with me because I'm licking my wounds. And Joey, you're looking your wounds. And you've been there, done that. And then you have IRA in your head. He's like, hey, well, my ad one coach that told me not to do it.

because the intuition has been there. And way before Ira in 1980, I think you said it was around. But there was this Bob Hoffman, a bodybuilder called Bob Hoffman, wrote an article, don't quote me on this, but I think it was like 1962. In 1962, Bob Hoffman wrote an article in one of the Strength magazine, it's talking about lifting weights slowly.

You know, again, the intuition has been there about lifting weights slowly and safely to really fatigue a muscle. It's, this is not hard stuff to get around. And then you ask yourself, Well, if just fatiguing the muscle is what it's all about, then why are we doing all those other things? Why are we doing three sets of 10 and 15 different ways that are going to compromise the joints when it's not necessary? When people are getting just as strong working out once a week for 20 minutes, I mean, the proof isn't the pudding.

You can work out three days a week, four days a week versus once a week the way we prescribe. And people aren't getting four times stronger than our clients. I mean, if you're going to work out four times as long, you better have four times the results. but not even close. You know, maybe one and a half time as a results, but at what risk? So, you know, I kind of feel that our workout is not so much about this great scientific discovery, because we've all known you have to work out hard. What I think is great about this workout, it's about risk management.

That's what we're finally taking into account. Nobody takes into account the risk associated with a stimulus like exercise, a very powerful stimulus exercises, and it can do as much harm as it can do good. And when you know what you if you respect exercise for the fact that it can do harm and it can do good, when you start to respect it and say, how do we get the most out of it without hurting ourselves, this is what it becomes. It becomes lifting weights slowly once or twice a week. And I don't know, everything else kind of pales in comparison until something even more efficient or safer even comes along.

So I'm open for more suggestions. It's crazy how the first three or four weeks. I was like, this is bullshit. I just got duped. And then something started to happen. I would walk out of there. I feel like a fucking bus hit me. The walk to the car was like shit was moving.

I'll never forget being out of light one day in my Subaru and my form just started quivering. And I was like, and then I went another month. I signed up for another month. What the fuck? And that month, you know, now I couldn't go to box on Tuesday mornings. Christ, I can't fucking.

And God forbid you don't do something Wednesday because of the tax you even more. Like, what did I fucking do? I did these things with my legs, and I did them push them in, and I pulled down on something, and I turned on something, and I can't fucking move.

I got to go to the church. Chinese lady and happy hands over here. The best massage, 40 bucks. I took leave no hand job, nothing like that. Legit. Legit. They soaked your feet. Nice as people. I got a punch card and everything. They're tremendous. Ying ying. You get a free one after 10? I was going to say that's why he brought me to get the free one. I took him because I wanted him to experience. It's a nice little afternoon thing. But all jokes aside, it was rough. I couldn't, it was either going. And I started, I did it for one time for two months, one time a week for two months, and then I said, I got to jump on this,

but I tell you what made me a believer afterward, the breathing. I like the breathing, and I liked it when, you know, when you go to a gym, I got to hear fucking back rap music or fucking rigatone. You know, one of the ten gyms really has on what you want. You guys didn't have that. you guys have yourself to listen to it. And that's really different. When there's no bells, there's no whistles,

and you're really listening to your body. That also came from Ken Hutchins, by the way. That is the most brilliant part of that workout. I incorporate that workout Mondays and Thursdays. I want my Mondays to start in my head. While I'm working out, we really don't have, When you and I were working on our job, we talked, but we kept it, you know. And the other thing is that it's what America's praising today.

If we talk to every exercise specialist, they're talking to you about it, about doing three minutes, resting 30 seconds. You know, the first couple times you do the squat at your place, you need a couple fucking minute rest, but the more consistent I get, now I'm turning this into a hit program. I'm going from there to the benching, to the benching, to the pulling, to the fucking V-things, to the back machine.

And now you're turning into this. And you know what? It's funny. Like, I think I looked at one of your webpages and one of your videos on YouTube, and there's a joke. The guy's like, why is he working out with his suit? Bitch, because you don't even break a sweat,

you dumb motherfucker. You just know that you. You've been hit. Buy a brick. We literally have these businessmen in Manhattan coming in. They loosen their tie. They take their sports jacket off and they work out just like that. And, you know, people make fun of us for that.

Like, it must be some kind of pussy workout or something like that. And we laugh back in their face like you just said, you know. Yeah, we're actually working out. We don't have to break us with it. But we're getting just as strong as you are, motherfucker. And you all, you're spending hours. You walk out of there. And right now I'm walking around around $294.

When I joined the program, I was about $292. I'm sure, you know, they do a BMI test over at the strength. And she, I have put on muscle. I've lost fat. You know, any, listen, I'm over 50. I got a child. I got a thousand things on my plate. I wish I could go to Jiu-Jitsu for three hours a week.

I wish a kickbox for two hours a week. I'm 56. Recovery is a lot. And this is where this exercise, this exercise, this program, also stresses two things that America loves. And that's rest and recovery. If I signed up, if I moved to New York tomorrow and I come see and I had a million dollars,

and I said, do you? Coach, I'm ready. You'd say, Joey. I love to take your fucking money. But for you to see the results, how about I see you Monday? And maybe Thursday, and I'll switch up the result for you,

and then we'll see where you go from there. I love to take your money. I love people who say, I'm going to go see Josh, John, five days this week. Bitch, you're going to come in a wheelchair. By Friday, my Thursday, you're like, today I can just do the pull down up to here. You can't do this.

You know, you can't. Why is the recovery for me? this type of exercise. So important. Why do you stress? Well, it's intense. I mean, you're, you're, what does it do to your muscle that bodybuilding doesn't do, for example? Like, if I was a bodybuilder, bodybuilders go push Monday, pull Tuesday, Wednesday off, push Monday, pull Tuesday, Friday and Saturday off, Sunday the steroids kick in. You go down on the shore, you come back, you look in the mirror, you're like, I'm bigger than ever. Because I didn't lift the last two, weight phase and you just realized I recovered there's a couple things going on

bodybuilders first of what people bodybuilders gravitate to bodybuilding because they have a natural inclination to get big they see it you know so they gravitate towards it we all gravitate to things that we're good at so early on body builders usually find that they're good at weight lifting something draws them to it secondly they have the body type that happens to do well under a lot of exercise there There are genotypes, there are genetic profiles of people. And there's lots of different genetic markers. And if you have the royal flush of genetic markers, you could work out almost every day

and get bigger and bigger and bigger. And then, of course, like you said, if the steroids involved, which improves recovery ability, your natural recovery ability, you can even work out more and get bigger. But the thing is, if you don't have that genetics, it doesn't matter why. you do you're not going to get big like those guys and for most of us because that genotype the body build a genotype is rare it's very rare unless you're hanging out at a gold gym it seems like they're all around you but like in the in real world those types of body types you know they've kind of evolution actually millions of years of evolution kind of they're a rare type

because they didn't survive very well in famines you know they need too much energy for to support all that muscle. But anyway, most of us need that rest and recovery. When we work out this deeply, there is a natural recovery process that we underestimate. We think more is better. We think if we're not sore anymore, we're ready to go. But just because soreness goes away, it doesn't mean that the building process of muscle has ended. You still need more time. Think about getting a cut, a scrape. You know, it doesn't heal overnight, right? I mean, you get a scrape. It's not bleeding anymore. know it there's a scab on it but what if you pick at that scab all the time it's not gonna heal but if you leave it alone even though it's not sore anymore all right

there it might be a scab there it doesn't hurt anymore it's not sensitive it doesn't it's still healing it's still gonna take a couple weeks to heal well the biological process of healing a scab or a cut is very similar to rebuilding a muscle after you fatigued it very deeply so just because the soreness goes away there's two three four or five more steps that the body goes through to build that muscle up. And you don't want to break down the muscle before it's had a chance to build all the way up.

And when we work out too much, we end up picking at that scab and we never let the muscle reach its full potential. And we delay the process of getting stronger. So actually, again, we look at the strength levels. If you're getting stronger working out once a week, week after week after week, I can keep raising your weights and you keep getting stronger.

why add more to it when once a week is working fine you're getting stronger we're measuring it is this program extra effective for professional athletes who have a long season and get hurt like are like getting hurt and like their bodies are like hurt like almost at the end of the season stuff like that slowly it surely the athletic trainers of the professional teams and college teams the following eight starting to recognize this you know keep them safe this risk management attitude and they are slowly breaking out of that jock mentality of just hitting a weight room at all cost with all types of methods slowly uh i think they would i think athletes would benefit from uh less wear and tear in a weight room because they're already going through wear and tear for their sport so i've

always said that you know again ken hutchins and arthur jones they you know way before me have said the same thing that, you know, you put an athlete in a weight room, you're turning them into weight trainers, not the athlete that they're supposed to be, you know, so take basketball. So if a basketball player is in a weight room all the time, you're turning them into a weight lift or not a basketball player, you've got to get these guys strong as safely as possible, and then let them play their sport, develop the skills to play their sport. You know, that's the new paradigm for athletic, athletes and everything, and slowly but surely they're picking up on it, but not fast enough.

There's still so many athletes over-training and getting hurt. They're not putting the pieces together. They're not realizing that one of the reasons they're getting hurt so much is because they're overtraining in the gym and they're doing too much and not allowing enough recovery. It's too bad. You know, I didn't have a weight problem. I moved to L.A.

I focused on comedy and I strayed from the gym, but I always like lifting weights. And I can tell the difference in what I'm, lifting then and what I'm lifting now and I can see the wasted movement a curl for example you know 40% of it is wasted movement after a certain thing you don't even feel the muscle getting stimulated you're giving the muscle time to breathe and then you're going back up again with with your system we don't specialize in curls we have a pull down and at the end the pull down when you contract

you bet your ass you feel those biceps are they going to have a fucking cable coming out of them like Rocky Bob Bow or no but the strength is increasing what I found from this program the most

beneficial was for me was A there was a plateau I had with it where it started giving me anxiety and I narrowed it down to my breathing the breathing had it be just right when especially on the squat i would go there it started to become me going there thinking to myself is this the day i pass out on the squat machine because the anxiety

is brutal to really do three minutes of some max weight that last 30 seconds your heart's pumping you know your thighs are on fire, that one muscle in your side of your leg by your calf is on fire, your feet, but you're focusing on your breathing. I suffer from sleep apnea, and they did a research a couple of years ago that people who suffer from sleep apnea,

the cancer rates were going up because of lack of oxygen. And lack of sleep. And lack of sleep. And lack of sleep. You know, lack of sleep is a motherfucker. Sleep is very healing. Listen, that'll kill you more than oxycotts. If you ain't sleeping, I know for a fact, because I lived as a non-sleeper,

and now I live by somebody who logs their sleep hours. I log sleep hours. At the end of the month, I have to take a discount of my machine and send it to a lab. In fact, they've gotten so ahead of the game, they send me an email. the email tells you what nights you slept dehydrated. Like last night, I'm not going to lie, nobody. I got there at 7.30 and I had a beer. Well, you saw guns and running.

I'm sure that will come out in that report that because there was alcohol in my system. I was a little dehydrated. I drank 92 waters after that beer and half a fucking margarita. We lie. I'd have half a margarita. And some edible. I had 20 weight watcher points left over. What's wrong?

with a half margarine that's good for the salt. 25 milligrams. 25. That was light, Jack. But it's, I really enjoyed your gym in New York. When you think of it, you know,

if you're living in California or Arizona or whatever, I really, really advise you to stop by and say a little Adam, John or one of the other trainers or the crazy blonde at the front desk. And that's who I love for. to death. And I'll tell you why. I was, you know,

everything about New York says intimidation. And guess what? I walked those streets with a gun without a gun for 20 fucking years. I walked from 20th to 88th Street back. I can't tell you how many people I see mugged on the A-Train Express and the regular

one. And still till this day, I'm intimidated when I walk into New York. You know how much courage it took from me to have to call. I just ask, Mrs. G. I said, who's the cat? Who's the motherfucker in charge in New York

are doing this shit? And she said, the King of Swing over on 51st Street. But there's a joint in Jersey. But I would have had to take 18 rides down there. And I didn't like their web page. Their web page, it looks like you might fall asleep. Next thing you know, you're on Jeffrey Epstein's Island

by mistake, you know what I'm saying? doing jumping jacks in front of a bunch of senators on their website and senator is clapping for you i don't know it was a chinese guy he had blurred eyes i don't jerk that shit i want to see the eyeballs you know what i'm saying why you teach this poor old man how to do squat and your face is blacked out it's like it looked like the FBI surveillance photo or some shit like in short hills new jersey she told me to go see you i went up there i took an Uber. As I went up the stairs, I shit my pants. And when I walked in, I was home. You had the little waiting area. You had a little margarita bar, whatever the fuck you got there selling fucking

smoothies and shit. Everybody was very, you know, you took my guard away. Like, I was expecting to go up there and go, oh, it's you, sit down. Some you'll be with you in five minutes. And then some guy would come out with a cigarette and go, you're ready, kid. And then you go back then there's 18 assholes. No, in fact, it was like going to acupuncture and lifting weights. You know, all I needed was the Chinese flute in the back to make me feel even warmer. And...

Well, thanks for saying that. It was no, listen, that's... Listen, fat people in America and people who are out of shape of America are not fat because it's their choice. It's heavy and set and whatever. I don't mean to insult anybody. it's the fear.

It's the fear. If you've never gone to a pool and seen a 500 guy man with a t-shirt on at the pool in the water, you feel for him if you have any type of compassion. But you also get angry at him because you know there's help. He's just a drug addict in a different way, just like I was. You know, I look at my 6-year-old daughter, I got to chase him from time to time.

What am I going to do if I can't fucking chase her? so comedy let me tell you something my friend I went to see guns and roses last night they did a three hour rehearsal they're all over 50 right they did a three hour rehearsal then they played for three hours when I had duff mckegan on here

duff mcgagin that's cool to kickboxing five days a week with bennie benny the jet whatever his fucking name is when you saw him running around that stage you saw what it required. If you don't think the stones have somebody doing jumping jacks at them

and push up at the edge at 70, you're mistaken. When I did grudge match with De Niro, he had his own personal trainer and for De Niro to be De Niro, he has to work out five days a week for an hour, all calisthenics and pull-ups and stuff like that.

So for me to do what I want to do on stage and not have a heart attack, this is the best thing I could ever do. And I... Keep it going, man. No, I'm not going anywhere. This is part of my routine. I don't sweat going down there no more.

I know that my legs are going to shake, you know, a little bit, and I know that, like, I'll go Thursday and then get on a plane. So I'll stretch really well and then get on a plane. At least, you know, the only thing that people don't understand about this program is that when you put it into your Weight Watcher app, you only get four points and you go, what the fuck is this? But in reality, you're really burning 10,000 points. Yeah, don't worry about that. Because a lot of people don't know about exercising. It's like swimming. Yeah, but swimming burns the most calories while you swim. That's correct word, bitch,

while you swim. What happens when you jump out of the water, your metabolism stops with your method of weight lifting, I know my metabolism is fucking gone. Anything that pushes your to the max, when you're swimming slow and steady, you're not pushing yourself to the max. So it's about pushing yourself to the max, and that's what we're doing.

We're taking your muscles so they have nothing left, and that has very profound effects when you do that. Now, is this with proper diet you see big weight losses so far, you guys? Yeah, proper diet is the key word. Well, especially living in New York. I mean, living in New York, it's a tough way to get a diet,

but New York isn't the old New York. You're getting offered a lot of options now in New York. A lot of options if you don't want to be a fat fuck. You know, I would go up to your neighbor and I'd walk. You know, even though my hotel was on 36th Street, I'd leave your place and walk just to add to it. I'm not going to lie to you, I always got to get a slice. And then if I didn't get a slice,

two doors down, there was a smoothie joint in the back. You go to PJ Clark's? Where was that? That's the famous hamburger joining a block away. No. Next time. No, next time I'll go away.

I would cross the street and head down. And three doors down, there's a smoothie place. It's like a kitchen in the front. But when you walk into the back, a little chick back there making smoothies. And she'd give me protein with a little pineapple, coconut water. Very nice.

Not too much sugar from the fucking pineapple. pineapple's got anti-informatory things that knocked down so I would take care of myself when I'd go see you know what I'm saying what he got to tell me anything you want to drop on me is about informed fitness no I do want to drop something with you though Eddie what do you got I got you a gift you did yeah your last you're talking you know Rico Kasich died you know yes you talked about on your last show yes and you said you love that second album and I was at Omiba and I got you there second album oh you're fucking beautiful Beautiful. And look what I had on that. I know. I heard it when I walked in.

I didn't want to say anything. I heard it when I came in, but I didn't want to say anything because I didn't want to give away the surprise. Oh, thank you very, very much. I will. Rico Kasig, rest in peace. Did you see him around the city? No, I didn't see him around the city, but, you know, I was a big cars fan.

I remember you joke around. No one let you play cars in their house or their car. And you were like, fuck you, the cars are a great band. And they are a great fan. And they are a great fan. I hear the cars that brings me back to my youth and really good memories of summer camp. You know, I grew up with Jewish parents, so they send you away to summer camp every year. So, like, I have, you know, these great memories of listening to the cars and summer camp.

And, yeah, this band, and when I heard he died, I shared it to you. I showed it to you last Sunday. I was sitting there watching football, and somebody sent me the message. I was like, wow. It's crazy. When our heroes die, you're like, how can Rick O'Casek die? Like, you know, how can, what he did? We forget, you know, we were listening.

We were, you know, you and I are more or less the same age. I was, yeah, freshman in high school maybe when it went down. I'm a little bit younger than you, so I was like, I was my last year of summer camp, you know, right before I stopped going to summer camp. And that was the album that was playing. Where can they find your book at, brother? Anyway, power of 10. Google it, Amazon, anywhere.

You have it on the website also for, for, my website. I have a podcast. if you want to hear more about this and get into the weeds a little bit about the exercise science and all the stuff behind and hear the interviews of some of these incredible people out there that you know I'm not I'm not the sole pioneer with this I'm not the sole proselytize there are a lot of people that are jumping on this bandwagon and understanding what we're doing here and you know quite honestly when you told me your story I don't get sick of hearing it the reason I got into this business because of people like you that that didn't know that you shouldn't be doing anything else you know you need to do

this to stay strong and not get hurt and a lot of people like that. It's not about sports then it's just about getting strong and you know that's what it's all about no it's uh I think that you know I look at the

insurance in this country and you just can't grow older anymore in this country when you're in your 20 I mean that there was a question I wanted to ask you before we tape off What are the differences between a person who's 20

and the benefits of a guy like me that walk into your gym? If I'm a 25-year-old guy that's never touched a weight before, what benefits do I gain right off the top? I know what I gain is a 56-year-old. My dick is harder than Chinese arithmetic. You know what I'm saying? That's a good question. I'm sorry to place it like that.

I know you have a lot of people, professionals who are listening, but there's a lot of guys my age who suffer from erectile this. It's important. And it's important. Hey, listen, I just got fucking hearing age. Can I go without my ears? You can chuck them both off. In fact, take an eye while you're at it and take my fingers.

But let the fucking main thing I'm on this world still work to the end of time. You know what I'm saying? And I think that adding that blood to your legs and that, you know, I know that both of years, when you walk into your gym, first thing you do is to squat, you know, to loosen everything up and it releases. with. What's up? To get it over with. Yeah.

Uh, you release THT. T-H-C. Yeah. No, no, it releases T-G-G-F. A-G-H. A-C-H into your stream, which more helps you burn down more metabolism and stuff like that. There's a whole cascade of great things that happen. Unbelievable.

If you work out hard. What is the difference? What are the effects on the 25-year-old to say on a 56-year-old piece of shit like myself? That's a good question. I mean, I just say to my, it makes me think about, I wish I knew about this when I was 25 years old or even younger. I would have gotten, I would have gotten as strong as I was back then, but I wouldn't, I mean, I had back surgery because of working out the crazy doing dead lifts and all that kind of crazy high force. And I've been basically suffering with back pain ever since I was a teenager. And again, you know, a 25-year-old that understands that you can work out really hard and get strong and shit and safely,

they don't have to work, they don't have to have to suffer with the injuries that us old farts are dealing with now. And that's what they can benefit from this. There's no workout that's going to do better for them just because they're 25 years old. You've got to work out hard. They might have faster recovery ability, right? So if you're 25 years old, you heal faster, so maybe they can work out a little bit more often. But it's not like they're doing this every day either. Even if you're 25, you still can't sustain this every single day.

So maybe they can come twice a week and get the benefits from it. But outside of just maybe being able to do a little bit more often, the biggest gain that they get from this is learning that they don't have to kill themselves. They can have to shape and they can lead a pain-free life their whole life. And that's a huge thing. I mean, I've suffered with my back over the years. suffered. I mean spasms and bedridden and pain on a regular basis and it wasn't until I started doing the lower back extensions and changing my diet, doing more of an anti-inflammatory diet. I can't handle sugar at all or else my back starts hurting. You know, so between an anti-inflammatory

diet and working out safely and not fucking my back up in the process while I work out, you know I would do anything to be 21 years old again and not do those deadlifts like I did and do it this way instead when are you still working out yourself still? You look great. Thank you.

Yeah, of course. Once a week. Once twice a week you know I have my little routine that I do. John trains you. John so damn busy they're all so busy I can't get anyone to train me they'll make me pay them. I really I really They're like, we're expensive at him.

I'll all train you, but you're going to have to pay the session fee. No free sessions, man. No, there's no fucking free in my world, bitch. I really enjoy reading your book. I'm happy he opened up my eyes and it reminded me of this style of lifting. It's been 15 months. I feel great. I'm stronger.

My posture is insane. After two shows a night. you know when you I used to go back to the room and have to stretch out my hips I don't have hip problems at all but things would feel tight ever since I've been doing the squats my strength my strength on stage you know I saw I feel it when I'm on stage sometimes I used to make a move on the stage and I'd have to stop because I get an anxiety attack the the squats also help me get off the fight or flight, what's that called? Fighter flight, yeah.

Fight a flight response. Because the first couple times I was like, I got to stop. Like, that's it. And how to get up and rest and I get dizzy. And then you're like, what do I pay this money for? Not to get dizzy. I have to breathe this out. The breathing is so important.

The breathing will get you an extra one or two reps when you're fucking, like, Jesus Christ. Oh, fuck. And you just keep breathing. You know, you bring up a good point because you were saying how the first couple times you thought it's bullshit because, you know. You're finding our range.

We're finding you. Well, exactly. It's like three fucking dates. This is high intensity. It's like three dates. This is safe exercise. This is safe, but it's hard. So, like, you don't just, like, take somebody off the street

the first time and kick their ass. I mean, I've done that and I've lost them. They don't come back. They won't come back. You know, but then again, you take the risk of saying, listen, we're going to take it easy the first couple times. learn a technique, learn how to breathe. And then they walk out, they don't feel anything, and they don't come back.

So you have to kind of get their attention, but not too much, you know, because you don't want to hurt them and discourage them. So there's this fine line between getting them to feel, wow, that was cool, that was different. I can see myself doing this and not killing them the first time. So you probably, they probably took it easy on you the first time, you know, and, you know, maybe they could have pushed you a little bit harder to make you feel like, you know. But you stuck it out and now you know, now you know. Well, I'm happy.

I'm happy that you guys are running a great little establishment in New York. I want, if anybody listens to this, and they have a parent or a mom, because when Ken started this, he started this with a bunch of women. Yeah, I suppose this project, the University of Florida. You did your homework, man. Yeah, man, I don't fuck around. He started this to see the bone growth on older people. That's where he started.

Is he just on the, where there are a bunch of old people who are weak, Florida. And he started this thing and that's where he saw the growth. So if you have a parent, an uncle, somebody who you see who's falling behind the wayside, if you're in the New York City area. It's never too late either. No. We have a client in New York. She's 95.

Dear Betty, there's a video of her on our website. She's 96 now. How many days a week? Once. That's all she needs. I mean, it's a trek for her. get to us too. I mean for a 95-year-old lady to come all the way across town it's work for her. That's what she does for the day. She comes to us. She works out. She goes home. That's her activity

for the day. Well, I was really happy that you came on today because I want to tell you about your system. I didn't tell this to the church. Yeah, I got the hearing aids this week and it's good. I'm getting older, but about a year ago, I went for a physical when he said that my heart was a little weird. Then this right before I went to see you guys, I wanted to see you guys. I for a physical and like a week before I met you guys I finally went to see my heart doctor and he had done a bunch of things and he goes I don't know why now when I went to see you guys I had been doing it it was April about eight months this program so I came back from seeing you guys and then that's when they they did the

ink that's what it was they did the ink shit no before I left and I I couldn't and get the results because many saints have called me in that quickly. So for three weeks, when I went to see you guys, I'm like, let's take it a little easy just in case. And I was, you know, I walked a lot and the whole thing. And when I came back, the guy goes, listen, I looked at your EKGs or whatever. He just saw a bump. But looking from my thing now, your heart hasn't gotten any worse.

you know they say sleep apnea put a big strain on my heart you know over the years and he goes it doesn't look as bad as it did a couple years ago and I told him I go I've been lifting and working out he went into this whole thing about lifting over 40 and getting ready for your 50s is golden he goes because that's the high heart attack because if you make it the 60 if you don't you know He's a fucking wild guy. This guy, he goes, if you don't make it the 60 and you, and you don't start doing blue out of the, don't start doing Coke out of the blue.

Because if you hit 60, you'll hit 70. He goes, my experience is between the 50 and 60 mark. Oh, shit. I could see that result are in guys. So there you have it. Hey, man, where's their address to you? 201 East 56th Street in Manhattan. Nice.

And we have one of Port Washington, Long Island. I was going to say, do you tell the other one? Port Washington Long Island. We got a couple in Virginia. And all trained by you, certain. Northern California, yep. Where's the one in Northern California? We got one in Sonoma.

Really? Informed Fitness, Sonoma, yeah. Roner at Park. There you go, you can drink wine and lift weights. Cucksuck, it's no excuse. Well, thank you very much for having you. And the website is? Informed Fitness.com.

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