The Church of What's Happening Now: The New Testament - #738 - Donnell Rawlings

Episode Date: November 25, 2019

Donnell Rawlings, comedian, actor seen on "Chappelle's Show" and "The Wire", and host of his new podcast, "The Donnell Rawlings Show," joins Joey Diaz and Lee Syatt LIVE in studio. This podcast is brought to you by:   Hellotushy.com - Go to Hellotushy.com/church for 10% off of your portable bidet.   MyBookie.ag -  Use code promo Church to get a 100% match on your first deposit up to $1,000. This Thanksgiving MyBookie is offering all players a no risk bet on the Bears vs. Lions Game. Wager up to $250 and if you lose, Mybookie will refund your money.   CBD Lion - For all of your CBD needs, from shatter to gummies, go to www.CBDLion.com and use code CHURCH for 20% off.     

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Get ready to stab a motherfucker. It's Monday, bitches. Rappers are monkey flipping with the funky rhythm. I be kicking. Musician, inflict a composition. A pain. I'm like scarfed, sniffing cocaine. What?

What? What? What's happening, you bad motherfuckers, Thanksgiving week? Just think 2,000 years ago right now today. Pilgrims are stabbing Indians in the heart with pencils and shit. Trying to take that motherfucking corn and shit. So when you're eating your little fucking turkey, don't forget about nothing. Donnell, talk to me, baby.

What's happening? I celebrate every holiday. I know you just dismissed that evil holiday of Thanksgiving and how it started. But me growing up, I liked any holiday that you didn't have to go. to school. Me too. Chris, I didn't know who the fuck

Christopher Columbus was. He didn't give a fuck. George Washington, President's Day, Christopher Columbus, any day, and a lot of those holidays was all after white people

and no disrespect to the black community, but I was so happy those white people who was able to get me a date and I had to go to school. Remember when it used to be Lincoln and Washington Day?

You had off 12th and 19th. Yeah. You had off two Mondays in a row. Then they got hip to it and they cut us down the President's Day. They put everybody in there. And then when Barack got elected, they got rid of holiday all together.

Yeah. No, and then they got rid of Columbus Day, which I knew was going to be a, it's going to backfire. Right. Because that means they're going to start changing motherfuckers' days all the time. Oh, yeah, Columbia Day. Once you fuck with Columbus, now they want to change Halloween. What are they going to change Halloween to? Saturday.

The last Saturday of the month, so the kids don't eat sugar during the week. Is that like some legislation or something? No, that's fucking Gentiles. Okay. I'm like, who makes up this shit? Yeah, so they always want to change some shit. But, man, let me tell you something. For 20 fucking years, I've been watching you.

And I'm like, I wonder what street in Harlem he's from. Me? Yeah, I always thought you were from Harlem. Now, Brooklyn. And then the other day, you're from Brooklyn. Well, not, well, most of them, I'm originally from Washington, D.C. Right. Virginia is some shit.

Yeah. But for the most part, when I started, six months into it, I broke out of D.C. And I moved to New York. So I consider that my second home. I consider that. the home of my career, but that's my second home in life. What year did you start comedy? It probably was like 96, 97.

No shit. Yeah, it was right when black comedy was on fire. And what made you, did you think about it? I never thought about, I never thought about doing comedy, but I was always the funniest dude in the room. You know, and I've told this story before. I was in the military. I was a police officer in the military, and I got out of the military, and I got out of the military, and I was waiting to be a D.C. police officer

and I used to work for this grocery chain. I was head of security. And it was a guy that used to work for a hostess Cupcake Company. And he was, he had a day job. He didn't quit a day job. He was hostess doing the daytime. And then a comedian at night, and he would give out free passes to get people to go.

And I used to go with a lot of people I worked with. And I started heckling. I was heckling people. I was heckling the shit out of people. I mean, I was heckling where pros was coming up to me and say, yo, chill, man. I'm trying to work on this set for soul. I was like, man, fuck out of here.

You do your job. I'm going to do my job. And I did that so long that people started to come to the comedy club to hear me heckle. And I was so naive because I went to the club owner and I was like, look, look, I didn't increase your business by 30%. I try to get a door deal as an heckler. Y'all, I was like, man, look at the numbers that I'm bringing in here. They look at me like, what the fuck are you talking about? What club was this?

This was comedy connection to Greenbelt. No shit. And at this time in the 90s or late 90s, it was like black comedy was, it was popping so hard that it wasn't comedy clubs, but it'd be like a pizza shop that, you know, like they usually have slow business on a Monday or a Tuesday.

They would start a night. And then they were finding out that, you know, these little small comedy hubs turned into comedy clubs. Monique, she did, she flipped a restaurant in Baltimore when she first started from a struggling restaurant.

She had a comedy night on a Thursday. And it was. doing so well, Her door was doing great, the food was doing great, everything was doing great, business wasn't doing well on the weekends, and she turned it over and flipped it where she caught the lease and she turned into one of the, a black comedy club in Baltimore. And that's how the comedy connection, the Greenbelt, it was a spot that the need for black comedy was so overwhelming that anybody could just open up and say, you know, we got black comedy, we got deaf jam comedy, you know?

So I went on, they, they wanted me to shut the fuck up. I didn't shut the fuck up. And one day he would say, what are you going? And I was like, I'd like it on this side of it. Yeah. You know, I'm like,

no, I don't want that pressure. And I didn't do it that week. And then I went and that week, I went and wrote what I thought was a half hour worth of material. You know, you first thought, you look at a sit,

you're like, oh, that's going to get me a minute. That's going to get a minute. And that ain't got nothing to do with nobody laughing at the shit. You're being nervous and forgetting the shit. And I practiced what I thought I was going to have a set. And a week after that I went on stage.

I caught a standing old. First time I ever touched the mic. And I'm sure part of it was, it wasn't just that I was super funny, but because I had such a history in that club, people were really rooting for me. They wanted me to graduate from being a heckler. And the only thing next to do is to go on stage.

And that day, I never looked back. I was like, this fuck being a cop. I'm doing this shit. That's how long were you in the service for? Four years. And you were station? in Korea. I was stationed in Koon Saan Korea. What did you think? I loved it.

When I went in military when I was 17, so my mother actually had to sign I had to parental consent to fight for my country. And for me, it was a good transition because I hadn't, I'd never

been on an airplane. I never been out of the side of Alexandria area. Culturally, it was great. You know, for me, not really being trained in anything or have any skills. And for most black people, that's a good option to just being a street person to go into jail. You know what I'm saying? Probably first time some people get credit cards.

First time you see anything. So that experience of me leaving home was incredible. I met some good friends in basic training. Met some good friends in tech school. My first duty station was Kun San Korea. I met some people that I still considered to be my closest friends for years. I met some good people. And I got to go to a place.

and they're in a whole different culture, a whole way of life, a whole different how people look at people and it kind of opened me up to look at the world different from that person that would have just been, you know, on a corner talking shit,

rolling dice and smoking weed and shit. Why didn't you stay in? I didn't stay in because I had a discipline problem and it wasn't enough to I would have kept getting in trouble. I wasn't built for it. Four years was good for me.

Like, I had an issue with respect, I guess. I wasn't a bad. You didn't like how you were spoken to. I just didn't like anybody just because you outranked me being able to say any fucking. Both you the way they want to right. And then some people, like, was abusive with it. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, I would rather you talk to me like a man first,

but not like somebody that, you know, that you, that works for him, you know? And I just, it wasn't, it was, it was a good transition for me, not doing anything in my life, with finding something to do, and it was just time for me to move on. You know, I had some good experience and I met some good people, but I wasn't built to be running out of bunkers and doing, in fact, if I had to protect this country, a lot of people that got killed, said, we used to do exercises where you simulate war. So you simulate, like, what would happen if you under attack,

by, you know, North Korea, whatever. And when you get killed, if you get killed, they come and pick you up in this van or this truck, this duke, I think it's called a deuce, and they take you to the gym. And when you get to the gym, while you're dead, you get to play basketball, right? So, man, it wasn't no black people in that battleground.

So it was all white people were camouflaged, make up all of their face, hiding behind trees and shit. Black dudes in the gym. Jim hitting three-pointers, man. We was like, fuck that war. So I wasn't, I served my country, but I wasn't like super patriotic. But, you know, I did it.

At 56, you know, it's one of my biggest regrets. Not going into the military? Why? It was my mother's dream. So are you from military? No, but she felt she was Cuban, and she felt that the United States gave her a chance and took her in, that the least she could do was all for her son.

to fight for this country so she used to never shut the fuck up about it really yeah she never used that's a dope story but what's really crazy to me is you know okay you come to me and you go joey my name is donnell i'm thinking that's doing stand-up i go down now you know what are you doing for work and i work at robes i stuff shells i make 18 an hour i get benefits i go relish and we're going to do a plan we're going to get you some open mics but blah blah blah and then you're going to transition you're going to look at me and say, cut it out, Negro. Right. How much am I going to make and how long is it going to take?

Exactly. I'm going to look at you and say 10 years. Right. To be conservative. Let's go for 10 years before you make a dime. That's one. Nine other 10 motherfuckers ago, 10 years. I ain't got 10 years for you there.

Yeah. And then one day you find yourself, you're 34 years old, and you go, fuck. I sure. If I would have got into that when I was at that. And what am I done with my life? But you know, but you look like how you flip it. It happens for a reason. No, no, no.

And I get it. But, man, the, idea of walking out of a motherfucker when you're 38 with full retirement benefits. You know, you're so funny you say that, Joey, because I actually have that, sometimes I

have that, I dream about that thought. I dream. That's my dream. And I was like, it's because I went in when I was 17 and I look at it, I always, that's the one thing, but it's a difference from going from that four to that 20. Right, yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, like, yeah. It's easy. We're just talking here. We're just talking like that four? I'm looking at 16 plus and I'm looking at a military that always yelling at me, right? You're blatant disregard for established military policies. That's every day. I'm getting a letter of reprimands. Even I was mischievous, I got a little of trouble, but the military, they want you to be, for the most part, squeaky clean.

And even if you're not, it's so much harder to get stripes. It's so much harder to get the accolates you need. And I'm the same way. I thought, like you thought, I thought about that. 20-year joint, but that 4-1 was such a grind for me, I couldn't go to the next 16. Man. But I respect the people

that do it. And even I meet people, you're like, man, I was in military. I'm like, man, think our business that might not have been the path of life. 17, go in, 20 years later, get out 38. You really, especially Black Don't Crack, I really could have started a stand-up

career then. Getting $7 grand a month. with the best insurance in the world you know, all you got to do is go down there and they'll give you a pair of teeth right there. You know. Anything. You know, I mean, you have to just think about it.

Yeah. And a lot of young kids listen to these podcasts. Right. And you really have to explain to them that. Let me tell you something, man. I'm 56. I still remember being 36. Right.

That 20 went by quick and the motherfucker. They don't see it now. And I starved. I slept on couches. You know, and I took Greyhound buses. All of that. What's the day? difference. The only thing I didn't do was get shot at by some fucking do with a towel or

threw fucking a grenade at me. But in my heart, I felt like it. When you're fucking at a Greyhound station with $4 in your pocket. Man, I did. When I used to, when I, when I found my love for comedy, I was like, this is what I'm going to be doing for the rest of my life. And I was, I had a pretty decent job. The job I had, benefits, everything you're talking about. And, you know, like you'll come up and my come up not too far, like not far apart in a sense of the first thing you want to do is be able to provide for yourself. First thing you want to do, like you said, benefits

and let me get some regular shit. And as square, our lifestyle, as squares I might think, and I know probably in, like, as you got old, you're like, you know, could I have been that square motherfucker? You know what I'm saying? Could I have been, and that's not a bad life at all.

And for a lot of people, the military, that's what it provided. It provided that transition for you to have a decent life. 20 years, I was like, if I started, like I said, 20 years ago, 38, started this all over. You know, you could think that had been a perfect situation. But then, you know, everything happens. And I was on the buses. When I moved, when I moved from D.C. to New York, I moved to D.C. to New York. But $35 in my pocket.

I had my military duffel bag in an alarm clock. And my man Royale Watkins, Royale Watkins had already done Deaf Comedy Jam. So he was under Russell Simmons' umbrella banished by rest communications, Bob Sumner.

What year is this? This was like 9798. Okay. So he already got to pop it. Like for, for DC comic to hear about another comic moving to New York. Because everybody talked that shit

and everybody always has an excuse. I need to save a amount of money. money and then I'm going to go up there. You make a million excuses. You know, you're making a million excuses. Oh, I got to do this. I got to get my set together. No, motherfucker.

You got to get on that bus. He got to get on that bus. And I know he was trying to punk me. Every time I see him, this thing was happy. He was getting development deals or everything. He was like, yo, come up to New York. And one day I called him. I said, man, I moved New York.

He was like, when I said Friday, motherfucker. And I went on that, got down Peter Pan, the Peter Pan Trailway. At that time, for me, it was $19. And it was when I first went to York, I wasn't getting. no stage time. So, you know, when you leave a certain place, your money, you like a popular name in D.C. So I was still a part of the D.C. scene, still doing the cabaret. So when I was broke,

I would dip down to D.C. to do a show for like $500 with $20 in my pocket, knowing I had to go over there, snatch that money up, and then come back and keep on ground until people start to take notice. And then I started to be able to do the same hustle in New York. So you moved to Brooklyn? I moved to Brooklyn. Brooklyn. Brooklyn was the first borough I moved to. What's the first comedy club you went into? First comic club? No, no, it wasn't Pips. It was like, it was, um, I was

still from the black circuit. So I didn't even really go to, when I first went to New York, I didn't go to comedy clubs. I went to Black Knights, like Boston Comedy Club was pretty much of the mainstream. The comedy seller was mainstream. Catcher Rising Star was mainstream.

And out of all the comics, In New York, it was probably only, probably three or four percent of the black comments were in the mainstream rooms. You just couldn't get in. And the only way you could get in, you know, you had to be first vouched by somebody else, you know, but we're waiting to get past and all that. It was just comedy nights. You're like, deaf comedy jam nights, comedy explosion nights.

So those are the stages that I performed in. First mainstream comedy club I went into was the Boston Comedy Club. And that was because it was a black night on Sunday. And when I moved, and I was happy with just doing the black circuit, because you could make an honest living. It was like so many rooms that were open. Like, you can make a grand a week. You could make it like you had a spot.

You're like six or seven spots. You're doing a buck 25 each joint. You can make a grand a week for a comic that's not married, don't have no responsibilities and rooming with somebody. That was decent. And that was probably one of the reasons why. why a lot of black comics had an issue with crossing over or doing mainstream because they got so comfortable with making a decent living in the black circuit,

but not understanding that wasn't the future. You know what I'm saying? That was temporary. One of the things that I got on stage in 91. I didn't get serious until 93. And a young brother saw me in Denver. I was in Denver. His name is Kwame.

And I think about him a lot because I wouldn't be here. If it wasn't for him, he threw me into a denner thieves. Yeah? He had a black man on East Kofax. And you went up? And this is where, this is when he's Kofax was East Kofax. Right. Hookers, syringes, crack pipes.

And it was called, you know, Black Explosion on Sunday nights. Right. And he would book comedians to fly in. And I got to meet which these relationships are still intact. This is 94. Right. I got to meet D.L. Bernie. They were smoking back then.

Young. Yeah. Steve Harvey. You know, I'm sure I met other ones I don't remember. So it was a black night. It was a black night. And they only allowed two white comics that were allowed in that. Wrist falls? And you?

This is Denver. Okay. So it was me and a white dude that you guys know. His name is Dr. Kevin Fitzgerald. He's a veterinarian. Really? On animal planet. He's a big white dude.

And he saves animals and stuff. He's a stand-in-in-real in real life. So, like, Kwame was a solid brother. Right. He would go, bro, you know, everybody's welcome. Right. But not everybody was welcome because you go down and they throw shit at you. Man, I know those rooms.

So I figured out that for me to go up on stage, I had to come out dancing first. Right. So I put on, like, SWV, and I come out dancing to SWV. And then I'd have to attack them. Oh yeah this is you know two years into comedy yeah I had to jump into them like look at this fucking very well yeah looking motherfucker to let them know look at this guy looks like Archie Bell without the drills you pop them right out of the game you have to attack them yeah and I would have three jokes but the first 10 minutes was look at this but I'm gonna tell you with it even

with that said and but when you got them how good did it feel ripping it I used to remember getting off stage and listen I was doing comedy three Israel. Donnell, I can tell you whatever the fuck you want me to tell you. I was eating a bag of dicks. But for seven minutes, I was making my soul stronger. Yeah.

Because not too many people would do that. Not too many people would go into an African-American room. Never mind, go to the bomb and be up first. I'm going to tell you, I saw the first thing, and you were 100% right because when I started Comic Connection Greenbelt, Def Jam was hot. So, like you said, all those names you named, Bernie Mac,

D.Hare. Chris Tucker, Eddie Griffith. Chuckie Ducky I mean so many So it was just It was so many You were just black comment black comment black comment And the first time I ever saw a white dude Go into this room

And just straight demolish it It was Rich Voss Yes, that's what I mean I said this motherfucker had a ponytail back there And I was saying He was going so hard at these brothers I was like oh he bought to get shot But the thing

about it was he didn't back down. He was like, bam, bam, Ben, Ben. Rich Voss was the first white guy on Deaf Comedy Jam. Yes. And I always tell, whenever I run into him, I was like, man, I've never seen a white dude with a ponytail going to a black room like that and just eat them up. But the love

you got, it was a handful of comments like that. DC Benny out of DC, he was one of the dudes that worked. Yeah, Puerto Rican. Yeah, Puerto Rican, one of them white. right and uh and um bill burr bill burr when he first moved to boston bill burr was heavy on the black circuit and then you know he did a mass source square garden we've had the black community haven't seen since now but bill was one of those dudes that would go eat up any room black room white room and i tell um like i mentor and i sometimes you know i got all types of comic friends with him and

more so when like when my white comment friends when they're like tell them say like oh it's hard for me to get stage time and stuff I was like you know what you start doing I said start doing black rooms and they look at me like I'm like why I say because most black rooms are going to put you on just to see you fail and even if that's how you get on stage at least you get on stage and then when you get on stage you flip it and show them something different you figure it out you know what I'm saying you figure it out you figure it out like you we so used to being an environment where it's comfortable and easy and following back like when you said the first room I went the first places I performed outside of the black room it was

a poetry scene was really hot in Brooklyn at the time they had this spot called Brooklyn Moon Cafe and it was when poetry was like really popping where they was doing the snaps and shit and dudes was getting pussy just by you know burning the right incense drinking the right tea and just telling the bitch I love your energy you know what I'm saying like I'm connected to your soul they was fucking them herbal cheeks in the bathroom the same way the Pips was doing it I'm into your soul

my sister and the longer you say sister that's the longer you be in the fuck I'm saying like oh my God did you see Mr. Knowledge and when I couldn't get on the stage I was like man I got to perform somewhere and I would go because that shit used to be so boring but this spot was so hot

like most deaf used to go there fucking Talib used to go there Eric, Erica Badu used to go there when she was not Erica Badu Like literally Like she's got to this spot like moving to Brooklyn like Like being there for like three weeks

It's just a hot spot And I was like man this shit is so dradic I could use some jokes And I felt like to fish out of wood I was like yo can I get up there It was like you're a poet They were like you a poet And I'm like yeah

And I go up there and be like I want to say And then I go into a set. And I became, I started getting popular in the, on the poetry scene. I was like, wait a minute, I can't get on stage. These poetry spots be so dead and dry,

I could be known as a comedian that come shake up the poetry scene. I thought I would do also. And that's what I was like, I don't know, we think a lot in terms of how you get better. You know what I'm saying? And always sharpen and sharpen the sword. You know, at your age and at my age, you know,

this is not being cocky or anything. But we've been holding our weight for a long time. Through types of technologies, man. VHS, beta. We remember all of that shit. Motherfucking. VHS, beta, CD, CD-ROM,

Blu-ray links. That's a lot of motherfucking years of technology, son. That's a lot of, and that when I say that, because these motherfuckers like to talk a lot of shit hey old man all that type of shit but see how long a motherfucker can hold their weight and not just pity party like yeah I saw him on so and so and so I gave him a couple chuckles

I'm talking about no motherfucker pound for pound let's go and I don't do that no more they don't they don't they don't do the United States you got to be there every night but you gotta stay sharp you gotta get on it If you're a comedy fiend, and that's what I am. When your mind switches into that comedy fiend mode where life isn't even life anymore, your whole life is writing, watching, or getting on stage.

Right. It's a part of your career where, for me, it was the three-year mark. Uh-huh. Where for three years, I didn't know what was popular on TV. I didn't know anything. He was in it. I rented the BET, T, Compt. comedy all-star tape with Martin doing the warm-up with Joe Torrey and I rented

Rodney Dangerfield's young comedian special with Dice and Bill Hicks and if I wasn't on stage writing I was watching those two things that nut I know studying moves and gestures man what's the young brother from New York that was killing in New York when you went back in 94 he's still around who good looking young brother. Bill Belmany. Yeah, yeah, he was like the king of New York. Man, let me tell you, Bill Bellamy, it's one of the reasons he

he endorsed me to be on Def Jam when I tricked Bob Sumner to taking a phone call for me. I called up there, I had Def Jam's office number and I was like, man, I need an audition. I can't call up there and say what is the procedures or do I sit in tape. I said, I got a call up there, act like I already know these motherfuckers. I said, yo, this Donnie, where Bob? I put him on the phone. The receptionist was like, who is?

I said, never mind, look. Tell Bob, she was like, wait, wait, wait, wait. She put him on the phone. Who is this, Donnell? I tricked your receptions, blah, blah, blah, blah. I had an open for a lot of the guys under your management or whatever. I just want a shot. And he said, can you come this Thursday?

I said, I'm working this Thursday. He said, nigga, you got a job. How are you a real community? You got a job. But I'm sure, because, and I had worked after that, I had worked with Bill Belamy. and Bill Barlamour was the one that dropped the seat in Bob Sumner's ear

up in his brain for him to let me get an audition. And then you got on Dept Jam. What year was this? This was like 90. I was doing comedy for six months when I made Def Jam. And did your life change? It didn't change. It didn't change.

The reason why I didn't change at that time for Def Jam, for your life to change, you had to have an explosive set. Now, you could have a set where you could make some money for a couple of years because it was such a demand for black comedy that everybody was doing rooms and the biggest credit for a black comedian

was deaf comedy jam and you know what I'm saying? Like you didn't even had to be the baddest motherfucker you just had to be on Def Jam the promoter could be like just from Deaf Comedy Jam the brand sold itself hopefully you get one of the marquee people but if not you still get somebody from Def Jam

so with me I was really young when I made it I made it Def Jam I was doing comedy for six months and I taped depth jam I was doing comedy for 11 months I was green I didn't know nothing about those bright lights whatever I told a story about this fat kid taking my bike when I was a kid it was my signature bit in DC it was a bit where I kind of it was animated I acted out but I'll be honest my set wasn't it's explosive I to be even keep it real

real I thank Michael Blackson for me even making the cut because when you tape death jam It's four comics that tape, one person always going to get cut. Everybody didn't make it. One person. And whoever had to, not the wackers, but the least funny, that is going to get cut. And I'll be honest, it was me, some Anthony, Anthony, God damn it.

Hang with Steve Harvey. My brain is catching a fart now. Anthony, Anthony Brown. Jay Anthony Brown. Jay Anthony Brown, some more. This guy. name, J. Anthony Brown Samore, Wyatt,

it was four or five to take me, Michael Blackson. And my set was just okay. Michael Blackson destroyed the room. Michael Blackson was ripping his room, just demolished this room.

It's going crazy. And at the end of it, he said, he already damned in the middle of a standing note. And he went to Africa, you want to focus. You went out to Africa. You know what that mean? And did everybody say, what, what? He said, I have a big deke.

Everybody's like, oh, ah, and they was like, you want to see my dick? They was like, yeah. And they thought, did this motherfucker pulled out a prosthetic dick, about five feet long, right? Five feet long, big black vaney, a big ass horse dick. And he started waving around, and it ripped the room. But Deb Chan was coming down under a lot of flat because they was like, all right, this shit is getting too crazy.

You know what I'm saying? It's like, come on. Now y'all pulling out big ass dicks. How far we're going to take a dick joke? And Mike said this far, right? And that Mike got cut off of it. Because this set was, he could have closed. He got cut because of that.

And it gave me the opportunity to be on the show. But it didn't like, what it did for me is it started, I could have other conversations with people, you know, promoters and different shit. I'm still doing a chilling circuit. But it's like, oh, shit, it's a reference point. You know what I'm saying? It's like, oh, that is.

is the guy from Def Jam. And like back then, they knew you by a joke you told. You know what I'm saying? It's like, Royale, he did this joke where he said, I ain't scared of you. I'm not, he said, you know, y'all not going to make me nervous tonight. And then he takes his coat off and turns around and put on the mic stand. He's got a gun in his backside.

So they knew him as to do with a gun in the back. You know, at the time Chris Tucker was known as the pissed off man. Because when Chris Tucker made it, when Chris Tucker was on Def Jam, he got seen by Bob Sun. Bob Simon was a talent coordinator. I don't know if you know, but they had a really popular black

comedy competition called the Bay Area Black. It was over in Oakland. It ran for like 15 or 20 years. If I'm not mistaken... What's his name? One of the couple times. Mr. Cooper. Yep.

Exactly. Yep. That launched him. Yes. That launched him. That was the direct... Because I think if I'm not mistaken, Marcus Keene,

who he's the man to Jamie. I think he was affiliated with some kind of way. But whatever it was, when it came to black comedy, that's where you went. And Chris Tucker was a part of that competition. And Chris Tucker, he didn't win a competition. I think he came in like second.

And at the time, Chris Tucker had like six minutes. That's it. But you know in this business, sometimes people think you got an hour and a half. Sometimes all you need is three minutes of the right shit. And it's God. He had to look. He had the energy. You know what I'm saying?

He was energetic. He was happy. He was friendly. And he just had this energy. He had six minutes. and that's all he needed. And it was like, and this was, this was Def Jam. Def Jam was making people overnight stars on one tape.

That's how powerful the show was. The show came on a 12 o'clock Friday nights, and you planned your evening or whatever you're going to do, it happened after Def Jam came off. And I remember Chris Tucker, and I've said this on different platforms, when Chris Tucker came off and said, Pissed off, man!

You know, some people just got it. Just he said, pissed off man. He said, I'm so broke. If a nigga robbed me and it'd just be practiced. And he did some shit. And it was, pow, Bernie Mac, I ain't skinny you motherfuckers. Pal. Adele Givens, these big lips and your little dick would be like giving a whale to tic-tac.

Pal! It got so bad, Joey, that motherfuckers was like writing catchphrases. They were like, oh, if I get to this, shug-a-dug-dug-crack, quack, something that people could remember you from and people was eating off of that. I could still see Joe Torrey and recite his routine. Yeah, Joe Torre was one of those. He was a breakaway. Martin Lawrence, I could recite his routine.

There was a bit he had that. Martin, it was just, Martin was man, it was just such a, a lot of people. I don't know if they know the story, but Martin wasn't the first option for Deaf Comedy Jam. It was Robin, Robin Harris. One of the funniest men. One of the funny, funny, funny, motherfucker's stock joke

crowd. Good, good, motherfucker. You can feel it. But, you know, in his passing, they was looking for, that was Robin,

that was Robin Harris show. He passed. Martin was bubbling. And next thing you know, that was it. And like, and I think the show, Def Jam kind of suffer

when Martin left because he just stamped it so much as, when you heard DeF Jam, you heard of Martin Lawrence. And no disrespect to Joe Torrey or all the other attempts they made. But Martin was just so likable. You know what I'm saying?

He was so likable. And he had that gift to be able to be insulted without being offensive. You know what I'm saying? Like he could get you right there like, oh, you know what you think? And then he'd bring you right back. And he, man, Martin did so much. Martin, Russell Simmons and Stan Latham did so. And Bob Sumner did so much for black comedy, man.

They created a platform when it didn't exist, when all you had was late like David Letterman. You know, you had those late night circuits and late night shows. But how often did you see a black person or else you hardly ever did? And they found that need and desire and they filled it and made some careers, man. That show really made some careers. From 95 to 2000, Black County was so huge, no matter what town you went to, what club you went. winter. They had one night a week dedicated. You know, Black

Sunday, Black Thunder. And they always slew two guys in, always sold out two shows. But one of the busiest African-American shows I ever saw in my life was D. Ray Davis in Chicago on Sunday night. He had a Sunday night?

Four shows. And that was his night. He would walk out of there with 30 Gs. Let me tell you something, man. That was the hustle. I had like. He didn't even need to leave to him. Every city... 100 grand one night a month in Chicago.

How many people would show up? Like... 1,200 for the night. But the thing, Joey, that was like, that was, um... And on an urban scene, that was the hustle, bro. The hustle, like, everybody, and then hustle went to different cities. And then we created, like, the black circuit, we created our own tours, but we called them runs. You know what I'm saying?

You knew, like, D. Ray would have a night. And then somebody else would have a night. What to do this side? Florida. Good dude. Glass has been there since... Marvin Dixon? Marvin Dixon is another example. I had a room in in Brooklyn, New York. It was called Polk Knockers. Right? It was called Polk Knockers. And it was like this West Indian restaurant. And we would do, we would do like we would do 4,000 at the door and then food and drinks to do like 10,000, this was on a Monday night. And like you said, like the smart

comics, the ones, the entrepreneurs. And you can see how D-Rates become so. so successful. Like, we had, like, the dope dudes in the city, you had a night that you could eat off of. I was a struggling common for me to have one night where I could pay my rent. I didn't have a lot of bills, but that's when, you know, when you adapt,

D-Ray did it. D-ray did it, Bernie Mac, before Bernie Mac blew up on death jam, he had the Cotton Club. Down in Chicago. Yeah, they had a cotton. And I heard stories about. But the only thing, but the only thing about it, Joy,

was like with these pop-up black shows or whatever, And then like people started like looking down certain clubs and stuff. They will look down on black comedy. You know, they would just lump anybody. If you just said, motherfucker, you'd be like, oh, he's one of deaf jam acts. You know what I'm saying? And then a lot of people didn't respect some of the standups from here. So now you got that.

It's only going to last for a certain amount of time. You got that certain type of money. But now you got you, you don't have to do mainstream. But, you know, the more people that know about you, the more opportunity is not too many, it's not too many black comics that have built a very, very successful career just off the black audience. What do we have in LA now?

We have Chocolate Sunday. Chocolate Sundays. We have D-Ray Monday. And they made it. They went small with it at the comedy store. Thursday night. Thursday. Upstairs.

Michelle Murdoch. Now, when I got to this town, If you wanted an agent, a manager, a movie, you had to be at one of those nights. I wasn't a big chocolate thunder guy. I did it one time and bombed, and the guy didn't like me. Pookie?

The checkup. I'm talking to 98. Okay, cool. I don't know who's doing that. Was Chris Spencer the host? Who was hosted there? Chris Spencer, you're right, and Weber used to go there.

Chris Weber were going there with the black model. Yo, Chris Weber was a, I think he wanted to be a stand-up Because when he was with the Wizards, he used to always be at the comedy spots, man. So I used to go to that one. Joe Torrey, too. Joe Tori's partner from Indianapolis? Guy Tori had fat two cents.

Guy and Joe had a partner. Solid brother. I still ask about him, Kansas City. He threw me up on there, you know, and that was $35 in those days. People don't know it. 35 dollars on a Tuesday. What?

Shit. Man, when I was in New York, man, go ahead. And they would have ribs and shit that would get it catered from... And you got to eat free? And you got to eat free and shit. Motherfugs will know about that and two drink tickets.

And two drink tickets? Shit. Two drink tickets and you can walk with your 30? You had something bullshit motherfuckers be like they give you $30. Like the drink, $15. Motherfucking, give me that drink. Leave me the fuck alone.

And the improv had Monday night. And that was officially, first of all, Joe Torre. The story's room on Tuesdays was where they went to see Chris Spencer for American History X. Oh, yeah? But they gave it to Guy. Guy. I didn't know that story.

And then they went to see Joe Torrey for Fifth Dimension. And I gave it to Guy? Chris Tucker. Yeah. They'd be like, stop coming to my motherfuck for shows. I still remember being a telemarketer at the store. And the main room seats 450 people. and they would get a hundred industry people.

Real. Not. Real? Oh, yeah, change. I'm talking. That's the paramount. The ones when you see the motherfucker right on a piece of pay, be like, oh, I'm, I got it. I got it.

And, but Monday night at the improv was the night. That was. It's a hot night. Spike Davis. Spike Davis started that any prime one. This is 98. This is when it was Ariel Spears and Corey Miller, Zoo. Oh, yeah.

Zoo's fire. Zoo in 98, 97. I don't see people doing it that much anymore. Like, all-time comedians would go at the end of this. It would be, thank you. I've been Leaside, right? People don't really do that. And is that why people would do it?

So, like, the industry would be like, oh, shit, okay. That's your name. The improv did it right. What the improv did was the host one out. It's been like 25, 30 years, too. This is 20. Yeah. So this is 98.

If you got a triple crown, shit. You was good? That means you did Latino on the other than factory. Oh, what they call a hat trick, right? Hack trick. Yeah, yeah. And then you ran over to the,

I improv and did Freaky Monday. I don't remember that, but I know the triple... It was called Freaky Monday. Why do you change your voice when you said that like nobody listening no more? Yo, you're like, we got pictures in the back. It's a secret time.

Okay, I'll say. There's my uncle Joey Phil Jones. All right, I felt it. You made you look in my eyes when you change your toes. What's that white dude? That's got the... neighborhood.

Mr. Rogers? Mr. Rogers. I feel like he's a pervert for some reason. He is a pervert, but when he takes you into a lower range, don't do this to me, man, like you hit the time. I'm going to talk to you about some perverted shit.

But Freaky Monday was very good, very industry strong. The host went up, and they would put a five-minute act up, black or white, getting his chops, and then the lineup would start at 907, 807.

And it was, You know, a couple of young killers. And then at 835, they put on the hottest white dude working. Pablo, Doug Stanhope. Right. Shit like that. Right. And then the African Americans would start.

And it would be Bernie. Dot, dot, dot, dot, dot. You can imagine being in that room, bro. And I still remember going, like, six or seven times, and going, I'm on to something. And then fucking stand up one-up one night. And he goes, it's easy to jump over a fire hydrant that there's a nigger and Chris Tuck was up on

stage and half the room laugh because the joke was funny he didn't mean it in the racist way Chris Tucker heard it he yells get that white motherfucker off the stage and that was it the room went sound and guess who's gonna follow that you yes so I went up that they called defining moments son dog I went up there the crickets really they just turned oh they couldn't you you represented That crap, that white motherfucker, get him out of then. Just died of slow dead. Yo, you was like, all right, I'll be back, motherfucker.

And I did come back. I came back like two or three other times, and then it just got too rough. It was too. The booker changed and whatever. But those were the nights. If you wanted an agent, my first agent was black.

But the thing people don't understand, Joe, it just was like, a lot of people don't understand in common. Like, like, right, like, it's weird now because you go to place People try to set the list a certain way and they'd be talking about, well, he's not going to be able to follow that. They try to pace the show.

But you always got to be ready to have a defining moment. I came up one time and I think I get my shit off on stage. And I'm back in the main room at the comedy store. And you was up. And I was like, God damn, this motherfucker. Every joke felt like he bought to say good night. I'm like, oh shit, what you do? What you?

You sink or swim? And I was like, fuck that. I just love being a situation where the motherfuckers either going to count you out or they're going to see what's next and step to that. And there's so many motherfuckers now, they're so weak when it comes to that shit. It's so weak with it. And it's like our business is like our, I won't say competition, but the way we flow, it only brings out the best in a motherfucker.

Yes, it does. It does. Like, oh, you ain't trying to. I think Neil Brennan said sometime once I was, he was coming behind me, he said, oh, we doing clothes us? I'm like, motherfucker, I'm doing whatever. I'm doing whatever I need to do to fuck this crowd up. That's it. That's your job.

I don't give a fuck. If you're like, I'm working on this new material, guess what? I'm going to figure out to work that shit. But my job, when I go up there, is smash that bitch. whether I'm in like, you know, I came up from a school of like fat doctor,

old school guy from D.C. He was a mentor to a lot of people and we talked about working out. People feel like when to work out, you got to always just do straight new shit. He's like, man, you get the motherfuckers going,

throw that new shit in the middle somewhere and then do your shit. You know, you ain't got to, oh, I'm working. I mean, they do it. Motherfuckers do that. I'm working on this and I just

I don't know I'm just like I feel like that shit gotta be in a moment and just once you get that's what it is it's got to be

in the moment it's not what I wrote I feel like this it's never what I wrote on the page it's how I feel how I feel is going to sell a joke

more than anything you know what I'm saying you feel fucked up you got a well-written joke that shit sounds like you're a fucking writer Donnell you

got together with Royale who's a sweetheart of a guy I was here for the Royale I'll blow up with the TV show and everything. All done. Bill to last?

Yeah. Oh, when he left me? He left. That was where that motherfucker left. You was here. Yo. I was here. He was running things.

And he got speed. Yeah. Man. He got speed. He was hot. He was hot. Yo, man. From my, where I came up, whatever,

that I'm going to tell you, uh, built to last is a reason why I got the brownstone that he had. He had a brand. He was written a brownstone, right? And it was a dope brownstone. That month, we was broke as a motherfucker. but we had a dope brownstone and he had an above ground swimming pool

in the back of that bitch. The guy who owned the building, he had two brownstones, he split the fence in the middle, opened it up, African dude, worked for a bang. He opened up and had above ground swimming pool.

That's not exciting to a lot of people. But for fucking Brooklyn, New York, to say you got a pool and I remember, Roy, you're like, I didn't, I didn't talk about it was on this side of it. He was popping, bro.

He was popping, bro. Yo, he had a TV show, Bill to Last. But you got to be selective on how you name shows because you can't name a show where Critic can fuck you up. Niggins, they would just say, Bill to Last won't. You know what I'm saying?

It wasn't met with... Really? No, but here's the thing. And the way I look at stuff, as much as critical people want to say or didn't last or whatever they felt about it, that motherfucker did something that a lot of people I started with and people I'm still rocking with now,

have never got to. You haven't got to sit at the big table with motherfuckers saying NBC is like you got, you haven't been in a, in part of an announcement when NBC dudes there fall lineup and you was on that bitch.

And then Angela Bullock, whatever that shit is speed, you want some other shit? And I remember because the motherfucker just left New York. He said, I'm moving. He did the same shit to me. That motherfucker left. but he left me in a good situation.

I just had to find another roommate, but I remember when he took off, and he found a lot of success earlier on his career, which I think has really helped him become a better businessman, a better producer. He does a lot of the hours specials. He has relationships with so many people, relationships with Kevin Hart.

I think that getting that much success so early on and seeing how it could fleet, and not by your design just how shit happens what you're going to do now and I know he went through that from like, it's popping, it's popping like, whoa, it's slow, it's slow

but what can I do now? I'm going to reinvent myself. I'm still going to do stand-up. But like Method Man said, I'm tired of being a chump in the front I want to be the Mac in the back. But it's so cool that you knew that story because he was God, that motherfucker

I could see his wisdom. He was so goddamn happy. You can see wisdom teeth in the back of his fucking mouth, man. When did Chappelle come into your life? Chappelle came into my life. He came into my life before I even met him. And the reason why I say that in D.C.,

not too many people leave to go to New York or to L.A. That's the hardest thing for a motherfucker, do they be scared, shitless of it. Some people do it and they come back. I'm older than Dave, but Dave is older than me in comedy. So when I first started, when I first started in D.C., I was on fire. You can tell any, ask anybody, I was literally smoking.

I was doing it for six months. People thought I was doing it for three years. I was the name coming out of D.C. You know, you leave somewhere, what's the name? You go back for Christmas and all that type of shit. You're like, what's the name? And I said, I was like, who is a? And people used to tell me, yo, you know who getting it?

I'm like who this young nigga Dave Chappelle he's a young nigga right I'm like how young he's like he's 16 and 70 he getting money son I mean young and that's like he said DC he getting money young he up there he doing his thing he fucking with the white boys of ages and shit and I used to say

because I thought I was on fire and I'm saying to myself fuck make this motherfucker so funny it was no competition or anything right and then my fuck looking at my face he looked at my face and said well he's young right like I'm an old ass

motherfucker He's young, he's smart, he's animated. And then this is something that a lot of comments in head, they said, one of my friend Mike Watson, he said, and he act all this shit out. You know what I mean? Like, that means if you're doing that, producers and directors already see you as an actor.

You know what I'm saying? You got people to tell a joke. But when they said that, you know, it's like, he act all this stuff out. He good his storyteller. He's everything that embodies a DC comic. So I would ask about him. and he shared this story

on my birthday two years ago and Chris Spencer said how did you meet Donnie? He said, and Dave reversed the story. He said, you know, Dave said, I had it popping in New York. I was the man. I used to go home to D.C. and I used to ask like, who's popping? And then he said, I would always hear the regular names,

blah, blah, blah. They said, but they got this one motherfucker named Don Air Rollis. And Dave said, he was like, man, fuck that nigga, right? Because I don't think it's like, we've given props But we don't want to give props. So when I finally moved to New York, I met Dave because he used to come around to the Boston Comedy Club on Black Night. But he would do mainstream.

He did all the clubs. And then it was just, it was that relationship we had as being two motherfuckers that was thorough from D.C. That connected us. It was that. It was, it wasn't like hanging out. It was, we met, I think the best way to meet or engage somebody is receiving somebody is respecting them. Respect their reputation of what you hear about them.

You know what I'm saying? And that's how that was our connection. And this was years before even the birth of Chappelle show. So, you're cooking, you're, you know, you're in New York, you're making it happen. Any acting classes? I never took an acting class.

I, uh, I, uh, I don't know if I'm a great actor. I can get past it, but what I would do, I took a, I would get monologue books and this practice monologues in the mirror and shit and this was the weird thing this goes back to what you said earlier about that three-year period when all you're thinking about is creating all you like you're thinking about your life or your future like this is it and I just was just thirsty to do anything yeah I started a sketch group out of New York before in living color.

And I started this group because I noticed with my stand-up, it was very three-dimensional. I have characters, my uncle, this fat dude. I was like, wait a minute, man, I could turn this into some, I could take these jokes and start casting it, casting different people. I could cast somebody to play my mother. I can cast somebody to play Fat Tyrone,

so I knew that I could take, I was getting opportunities to stand up but nobody knew me as an actor or anything. I said, but I want to, what's the next level? What's the next level of this? So I said, I can write these jokes. I can cast these people. I got friends.

So I'm going to start this group. Start this group called Secret Society. At a time, Red Grant was in the group. Ariane Pontes. She was a poet. So I was hitting with the poetry side. Mike Epps was in the group. Good friend of mine, Jimmy Martinez, Rich.

Mark Theobald. writes for the last OG, Sherry Davy, Jason Ondores. I had like 12 people and nobody, it was the most diverse sketch group in New York. Nobody was doing sketches and we did a showcase. I told my manager the time and his company was just starting and I was like, man, this is something different. Nobody is doing it. Let's say we can get a night of Carolines and showcase.

The sketches did I do and act them out. So, you know, the industry didn't know exactly what it wanted. So some kind of way, a lot of the industry came out. We did this showcase. And the next day, my manager's phone was ringing off the hook. And we had four agencies that wanted to sign us. I chose to go with APA. At the time, it was the fourth largest film television,

his bike coach, fourth largest film television agency in the country. and they wanted to sign me and somebody else. And they didn't want to sign the whole group. But because I got there with the group, I said, I'm not going to sign with you guys unless you sign the whole group. And it was the first time motherfuckers had casting calls where you'll see people names.

Then you just see secrets to sound like Wu-Tang. You got everybody auditioning and whoever wins, wins, you know? But that was my relationship with New York and trying to do things to get seen and get noticed. I tell people all the time, you got to be able to, I think in this business

you got to be able to do what the next man won't do or I haven't thought about. It's the only way. And if you don't do that, you're just a regular motherfucker. You see Dolomite. I haven't seen it yet. I've got to see everything. I keep hearing about it. I keep hearing that, and I know

the act was good, but I feel what's resonating is the story of Dolomite. of how he was a maverick, you know, first one making his own comedy albums, leased in our movie theater. Did you see it yet? Yes. Did you enjoy it?

Very much. Very much. I enjoyed the black experience. You know, I'm a funny with a black experience. I enjoyed, he says something in there that really it strikes the chord with you, especially when you're an open mic or at what point of you open? He tells Michael Epps,

did you ever have anything? trying to settle something and what it feels like, you know, he just broke it. You know, I'm from the 70s. Right.

And he's like, I got to make funny shit, nudity and Kung Fu. Right. People love Kung Fu. He was a Wu-Tang of comedy at the time. Yeah, he was a Wu-Tang of comedy. That makes sense, though, man.

You know, and it's just, it touched me in a lot of ways, you know, like I said, when I came from Cuba, the first family and take me in was an African-American family

in the 70s, which is completely different. Afro-picks with the hand in it. I had a way. That was you. You was original different strokes. Yeah. I had an Afro pink. Oh, yeah? Yeah, with the thing. And, you know, I still remember their mentality,

and I still remember how on Saturdays, the whole building would have a talent contest. You know, and we would do a soul-trained dance, you know, way before. And I'm the only white dude. You killed it? You did it. You did it. You did. Long as you still beat, you win it. Especially with black people?

They have a community room in the basement and you would go down there and there'd be 100 black families and you'd have to sing or dance or tap dance and I still remember me and this kid that always, his last name was Williams and I still think about him. We won because we sang Joe Tex, I got you. Oh, y'all killed it?

I question, but did, when you had a moment like that, did you think you were going to be in the business of entertainment? Not even close. No? The point I want to make from the story is how they entertain themselves.

These people were poor. When you went to the house, it was a bologna sandwich, and they gave me half, and the grape Kool-Aid, and they gave me a glass, and, you know, I slept on the floor with the brothers and sisters, whatever the fuck they got, I got, you know. But the thing that's

strike me the most about it was the love. Nobody else would like me when I was a little kid. Yeah. Except this. And I still remember walking into those projects and there'd be some thugs. But you had to be a real

motherfucker too, man. I was five years old. You was a real five year old. You said, I don't know how to be a real motherfucker and five. I didn't know anything. I didn't know. They felt something about you. I would walk in there scared and they would go, you know, what the fuck was his name? not Toray and they would yell him what we do with that white motherfucker bringing him in the building

right he would go he ain't white bitch he's cuba man he like this he look white though right they like scratch their heads like what's a cuba because it was 1960 right nobody knew nothing about nothing you know but i learned a lot no i did not think anything about the entertainment business it made me fall in love with they taught me about archie found the drills they taught me about the Supremes. I still remember getting ABC with them. And black people love to love man. I loved it. I loved everything about it. Black people loved, man. Black people

love to fucking love. And black folks man, we, not the only race, but this is because I know it. Like our circumstances could be the worst circumstances in the world. But we will figure out a way to laugh and we will fucking figure out a way to stay up that

therapist couch. You know what I'm saying? Like, we like that's why they talk about like mental health issues or whatever. They always say, well, black people are afraid to get help, whatever. They're afraid to get help. But some motherfuckers don't need to get help. It's just like you've got to step your coping mechanisms up. We all

go fucking crazy. We all have bad days, but it's how you cope with shit. You know what I'm saying? And another reason you know, and I'm not speaking for black community like 100%, but man, motherfuckers are so fucking nerves or pills. You know when you're going

to talk to that street, you leave it with a prescription. you're going to get something, sir. If you're like the average black person. If you sit down with a motherfucker shrink long enough, he's going to find you a prescription. And a prescription could possibly be trying to cope with shit. I know the mental health shit is real. But how motherfuckers cope?

You can't suck nothing up. Everything got a goddamn acronym. You know what I'm saying? Like, oh, man, this water is warm. He's suffering with a PS water syndrome. You know what? Every time he drinks water, he's just crazy. Here's a pill.

Here's a pill. Black people have been through so much. You have to learn how to laugh. You're going to be miserable and upset all the time. No, and that was what I was getting to that. What I saw in those projects early on in the 70s, do you know what memories, reash those memories? What's that?

The Chappelle Show. And why so? I felt that black love again. I felt that humor in your sketches. With, did that resonate through? So the performance of it, like, just to connect you felt. And I had known Dave since 94. I know Dave since Robin Hood, Men and Tites from the Boston comic.

Yo, Joey, it's so funny you said that. And this is no shade or anything. And this is about when you finally on the right team or you build the right team. Dave Chappelle probably had 11 pilots. Yes, he did. A lot of people don't know that. His company, his pilot boy. Yes, he did. He was getting shots and shots and shots.

ABC had him and a white dude had a pilot. Jim Bure. No, another, but one of those big time white dudes. I don't know what a big time white dude. Like a great conier. I'm not sure. At some point, ask him. What the point of 98, 97?

They kept trying to make David star from early. Oh, they loved him. He was a goal. He was the one. And, you know, for 11 pilots, we're talking about 11 pilots, and he probably wouldn't even doing comedy 11 years at the time. His company named Pilot Boy, and it was this little show, and just, you know, following up what you said is about the love and how you felt.

It was something about this show. It was something about the connection, Neil Brennanhead with Charlie Murphy. It was something about Charlie Murphy. It was something about me. it was something about Anthony Barry it was something about all of those motherfucking background people that was on that show

it was something that was love and it felt like motherfuckers was trying it wasn't about I didn't even getting paid this soon I need top billing because there wasn't nobody getting paid shit the only thing motherfuckers was doing was trying to create the most the funniest shit you could and for you to say that

that's how it felt bro you know what I'm saying like even when Dave and Neil had reservations about the show. They say, oh, this and that. I used to predict how the radio is going to be. I was like, man, this shit about to blow. And they was like, because they've been through it.

They dealt with rejection. I don't know that. I'm still like that three-near-year nut you're talking about. Like, ha-ha. I'm like, man, I'm like, oh, I'm telling y'all. And the reason why I knew it is this is why I knew it's going to blow. Because I heard niggas in the hood talking about Dave Chappelle. And what I mean by that, Dei Chappelle, when he first started, he came out the gate mainstream.

Fat boys loved them, colleges loved them. Super smart people love them. But I think in a black community, they didn't get him yet. You know, they didn't get him yet. But it was just something about this show. It was like when they started popping in the barbershops, when they started popping on, on, on the block and shit like that, that's when I was like, man, this is something special.

You know, this is something special. And I was like, because Dave had every audience, but that really, really streets it. It didn't connect it. Not that you need that, but it's something about Brian Tucker. It was just something about the team that they put together that understood all of that and connected with every part of it.

I think that was one of the things that made that show so dope. How many seasons? Two and a half. Two and a fuck. And then, you know, not to take with Dave's, like, it's easy writing for a superstar. And Dave was a superstar. Dave's type of superstar where you can have shitty writers

and he's still going to flip it. You know, so you got that combination. You already had a game. And then you got a team of people to put it together. And that dude was like, you know, we worked together. I remember one particular time we were, it was a scene with Patrice O'Neill. He was playing pit bull.

He was one of the original player haters. It was Rich Voss, me, Dave, and Charlie Murphy, and Yoshi, the Asian dude. And we were working on 16 hours. Man, we was tired. I don't ever think I was ever could say I was, I was joked out. I was joked the fuck out. And we had to look at this board of pictures and shit and just roast them. And nobody, you know, we was looking like this.

Patrice was back to. gas out. Patrice and Dave been roasting each other all day before we were rolling the cameras. We got the cameras rolling. Everybody gassed out of jumps and just paused. It was a picture of Rosie O'Donnell. And Dave said, she looks like she wears

drawers with dickholes in the back, right? Yo, you see this laugh, Joey? This laugh was like where the fuck did he get this from? And that was him all the time. And that the same way

we talk about being in the comedy clubs when you go hard and let the shit far away fall. That's how it was when we were working on the show. You know, he would do something and then everybody, the creative would go and then everybody's like, oh, what about this? What about this? And then shit would just pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop.

But that motherfucker was always came through. What was the one thing you learned from Dave as a comic? Really being connected to who you are and your true self and not just on that stays just in life. You know what I'm saying?

What is your true self and being your true self? And then like, you know, it's hard to emulate this, but having your calm while you do it. I don't think I ever have ever even seen Dave raise his voice.

You know? And just I watch him as a performer and I'll say, like I'll say he's, like Tom Brady and when I say that he knows how to lay in the pocket

you know what I mean? He don't scramble like chaotic like huh! You know like me? Like I say I'm like Michael Vickish. I'm saying fuck that. I'm trying to run that shit down to two hole every time I know we got a pass play but I'm going to run this bitch I'm going to run it but he's like

when I say Tom Brady get in the pocket the calm is dear wait, wait, wait, wait, and could take a hit at the... Boom! And he's scoring a touchdown, you know? And, like, he's like a... Dave's just a good person, man. You're like a good person.

You feel that. I travel with him. People are always like, even with me, it's unfortunate sometimes because the work I've done on Chappelle's show easily probably overshadles anything I've ever done. So do I get the credit for being on HBO's DeWire? Do I get the credit for being on the corner? Do I get credit of you and I both had that motherfuck gangster ass cameo, Spider-Man and shit?

You know what I'm saying? I've done a lot of stuff, but that, for something about that show, it's just where everybody, everybody connects to that shit. Very interesting, something you said. I had the honor of working with Dave. What years were the Chappelle show? That had to be. That was like somewhere around 2002, 2003, yeah.

I had the honor to work with Dave in 99 in Miami. Now, the Miami Improv at the time was in Coconut Grove. I remember I closed that club down. Yeah. Not closing down, but I was the last one before. Yeah, yeah. I'm there next week. And they had some, yo, they got that Cuban wrestling.

You down there? I can't wait to get back. Yeah. A new place. And I'm not to cut. You're talking about the old one in Coconut Grove. No, I'm talking about, I'm excited about the new one, but I know coconut growth. And the reason why I want to say, and I don't mean cut you off, but that was one of the best places because they catered to the Cuban.

They had that motherfucker Argentine and steak and shit, son. I'm like, this is what the improv is. That's right. The Argentine is. Yeah, they had the fish with the stuffed. They had a very Cuban influenced me, so I know you bought to have a ball. And the Italian restaurant downstairs. Yes.

Yeah, I remember that. The fucking frozen drinks. Then the fucking white chits walking down a little strip down there too. Oh, it was bumper. The salad bars is just... I didn't know the thing I ever motherfucker was in love with smoothies and shit. So I saw the white chicks walking down there with them, with them motherfucking, let me looos and shit. Let me looos.

But Monday and Tuesday at the Miami Improv was African American night, Marvin Dixon. So Marvin Dixon would give away tickets now. With a thong without a thong? because, you know, he used to pull his clothes off. Wow. Yeah, yeah. The tickets, yeah. Give tickets out on the way out.

And not to sound, you know, whatever, it's a different type of brother. Marvin? No, no, the tickets he was giving away with Liberty City motherfucking brothers. Right. They ain't playing. Right. And I still remember opening up for Chappelle and some of those free ticket guys would come up. Three minutes they'd walk out on Chappelle.

Really? So if the audience had 250 people in it, 100 whites, 100 Latinos, Cubans, and maybe 50 people, 49 news. But the ones from Def Jam, Monday, and 2nden. That's the point I'm saying. They would walk out. They would walk out on day. And I'm going, I don't understand this.

Because you was, the reason why your mind was like, what I say, everybody not ready for everything, you know what I'm saying? That's what I'm saying. it was when the Chappelle should pop up that the hood started getting a connection and I'm telling you, I used to be around, he's like, a lot of it, like, motherfuckers and those, like, the real, real gangster nights,

a lot of motherfuckers didn't want to think about their comedy. Dave makes you think about the joke. Dave makes you think about the joke. Dave is not going to be pop, pop, pop, pa, pa, he makes you think about it. He's always been that. He's always been from 17 to 16. He was funny, but socially conscious.

Your motherfuckers have been drinking Hennessy and eating them lemon pepper chicken week, they don't want to hear about that shit. They don't want to motherfuckinck and think like that. No, they didn't appreciate it. And like I say, there's no shade or whatever. Anybody knows that coming up. But that Chappelle showed,

that's when it seemed like everything connected. I still remember doing a Tuesday night there because Marvin would always hire me. Right. I was the feature act. So Marvin would give me 100 of the show for Monday and Tuesday. The early just to take care of me.

Marvin was a solid little brother. Yeah. And I still remember being in there on a Tuesday night and Chris Rock walking in that motherfucker with Madonna and Chris Rock was on stage and them brothers weren't going for it. They had forks and spoons and they would hit the glasses. What?

Oh, man, you got to understand. That means get the fuck off. Yo, you don't understand. Marvin Dixon's rooms and Bruce Bruce rooms were, first off, it was... Where's Bruce Bruce has? What was his room? Bruce Bruce's room was in

Atlanta? Was Atlanta? No, Bruce's room was Florida. One of them motherfucking southern joints. But they had the two-topping, Marvin Dixon, where everybody knew. Because the reason why,

because Marvin never really stabs the room as a comedy room. He stabs it as a spectacle. Like, he used to tout the fact that he had 300 standing ovations in a row. You know how easy it's getting a stand ovation? If at the end of the song,

you drop, don't stop get it, get it, and a man strips down to a motherfucker and thong and start dancing. They're not laughing with you, they're laughing at you. And that's what he established in that room. So I could probably tell you people that ripped that room and people that didn't rip that room. Everybody wasn't fit for that.

But those were, I remember Bruce Bruce told me one time in his room, he said, look, man, I'm going to get your money now. Like, we were doing the drug deal. He said, I'm going to get your money now. Just do your 10 minutes and get the fuck out of here. The door that way. you know like those guys they built a room around their personality so much it was hard for anybody do good and i'm in miami uh bruce bruce bruce bruce room

and uh i i said something i said yeah all y'all's tripping bidses in here joe i did not realize that how respected of a job that was like they looked at me like we got to get him out here. He talked about our motherfucking livelihood. And those rumors were just, they was like, those was the fast ones. If you didn't, like you said,

you used to come out and just start fucking them up. I tell people, after you've been doing it while, you learn, you're like, okay, it's going to be a tough from this. This way I got to do. I got to make an example out of somebody. I'm sorry, sir.

I know no disrespect, but I'm about to tear your ass out, right? I got to do it. And all you get a couple of, oh, no, he didn't. And then next to you know, They listen it. Now because of you, I'm going to call in next so you can go to D-rays room.

Yeah, do it. Because it's been 10 years. I'm sitting here looking at you going, why is it that? Well, at the store, I would always go up. A guy would always just come looking for me and go, we got a five-minute gap to get in there real quick. Those rooms are in the challenge, and like, it's so many reasons. You can come up with a million reasons why you don't want to go there or whatever.

But for me, and, you know, like, I work eight clubs now. You know what I'm saying? I do the store, laugh factor. I do everything. I'm a marquee motherfucker. But it's just something in me every once in a while. I just got to go do it.

When I go to New York, it's so, and then another thing, I feel like you, like because of some of the success I've had when my resume speaks, probably more than my bank account does, when I go to, like,

when I'm in Brooklyn, and I go to these little off spots, the look people give me, they look at me like fuck you doing here I'm like I'm a comic and I started here and it's just

and like for me to go to these little spots like they'd be freaking out Joey like oh shit I'm like man I'm never going to I'm never ever going to forget what these rooms did to me did for me these rooms paid my rent you know what I'm saying these rooms gave me a place to practice

these rooms was everything to me and I'm never going to stop never going to say i remember when dave chapelle had his residency at uh at uh radio city music 6500 people like 17 days in a row two nights and i was questioning this shit two nights after standing up 6500 people i getting the car with my man and drive to Brooklyn to perform for 30 people in brownsville and gave the motherfuckers the same shit and to be quite honest be quite honest, felt better about those 35 motherfuckers that saying, I ain't think,

yo, man, do it. Get a drink me. It's just, as much as we do this shit, we always got to do something to make our soul feel good. People always tell us, you make, you make me feel good. You know, it's like therapy, I need that. Y'all don't know, motherfucker. Y'all have therapy.

It's mine. It's mine, too. Man. I could feel I was fucked up. Why the motherfucker's working right night? I am not working at night. I'm going to see my therapist, motherfucker. And it's you, motherfucker.

My friend, fat doctor, and his health isn't doing that well. I love this. He's a mentor to me. He mentioned to Tony Woods, mentioned to Martin Lawrence, really good guys very popular in a DC circuit. And he used to tell me, Donnell, that's our life. That's our shit. He said, we deal with regular life.

He said, but when we get on that stage, We put that shit on the side of the stage. We do our shit. Don't go away. We pick it back up and we deal with it when we get off. But that's our shit. That's our shit. Yo, John Witherspoon pass?

You know, everybody was like, I was just talking to him. I was just talking to him because that's how he worked. That's his life. People are like, we didn't have to. But this is like this is our fuel. What else do we know? Dave asked me on a day. He said, when is your tour over?

I said, never, nigger. When I'm dead. When I die, when I die, he'd be like, he just did a spot in the belly room. What else do we do? I love the fact that if I don't get on stage for two, three nights, I go into a different world. My head, I can feel it.

Yeah. I could get on stage. Yep. Like, I couldn't get on stage Tuesday. I couldn't get down there because of my leg was still swollen. Right. Because I fell to the end night.

Well, fucking Wednesday that I went down and had a blast. The belly room. Just had a blast because it's who we are. I got to do it every couple days. I couldn't do it. You know, I couldn't. A week or something. I'm like, uh.

Yeah, no. I'll be like, what the fuck is going? Like, especially, like, right now I'm going through because I did the degenerate shit. When did you tape? I taped about two months ago. And when there's there? December 31st.

Oh, that's a good one. I did that. I did some stuff where I didn't give a lot of my bangers to TV. You know what I'm saying? So now I'm back in the back cave right now. I don't want to see those faces. You know what I'm saying? And yo, I don't want to see that face like,

I heard that you can't fuck up before. It's a nightmare. Some people don't give them fuck about that, but I do. I do. I do. And now, but you, like, I get off. I watch you do that shit too. I'm like, God damn.

But the thing I feel, like, I don't know, when I watch you perform, like, you're so strong on who you are on stage. You're so strong with who you are on stage that I feel like a niggick can throw a lightsaw bottle up there and you'll catch that bitch and it'll become 20 minutes. You know what I'm saying? Like everybody don't have that skill set to,

you tell them up and go up there and just make something happen. None of that shit makes something happen. The motherfuckers are going to get so fucking nervous. Because motherfuckers do not want to trust that what's supposed to be given up there is that you are a funny motherfucker. You're just a funny motherfucker. Some motherfuckers are pin in paper and I don't knock it. But some motherfuckers are just funny.

Just like that motherfucker on his worst night, he's shitting on y'all best nights. my leg Grate, nigga Yo, my leg grade I still fuck y'all up Yo, I didn't want to sit down Yo, this leg

But fuck that I was still smoke y'all motherfuckers How many, How many years You've been doing comedy for that? You're going on 30? 20s? No, no, no, no.

I'm trying to backtrack time Probably like 26, 25? 23. 25? Yep. How do you feel now stronger than you ever felt? Joey.

And you still wait until the 35 year more. I look at Chris and Joe Rogan. Those motherfuckers been doing it 30 years. Yo, this is crazy. After 25 years. And I'm not talking about 25 years where it's a slump. Well, he was whacked from 92 to 93. I'm talking about 25 years of being a Ripper.

And I tell this, I still feel like I get better every year. Every year. Every goddamn show. You see it. I feel it. You know? And I'm talking about, you know, a motherfucker coming to you with like,

motherfuckers like this. Oh, shit. Yo, that motherfucker funny. You like, but it's not going to stop. You know, I'm, man, every year. And I'm not, again, I'm talking about every year. I'm talking about awful. Like, last year, I was killing shit.

Where people are like, okay, that's it. It's always got to find something else. Well, we evolve. I always, it happens in life. I love evolving. I love writing. There's nothing. worse than being excited

to see a comic and watching him. He does a tremendous set and also one day you get an email he's back in town and you go there and he does the exact same set. You just lost me forever. Because you're telling me that in the year, nothing happened. Nothing happened in your life.

You didn't even take a shit. Man, yo, I'd say the best compliment, the most appreciated compliment I get is when the motherfuckers come up to you start saying this is my fifth time seeing you. They ain't coming five times if you ain't flipping. Yeah.

If you ain't flipping it, they ain't coming. Like, I don't even like to go. Like, I got to go to Atlanta in January. I won't go to Nashville. Right. In April. Because half of those Atlanta people are going to drive from Nashville. I already know it.

I got to go to D.C. I do D.C. Thanksgiving weekend. This is the tough, not the tough. This is the one of them coming. Yeah, this weekend coming. Yeah, this weekend coming because I, that's my hometown.

That's like been my traditional show for like the last. So Friday's Saturday's Sunday. Sunday to do the DC. Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Yeah. This been my traditional show, you know, but it's so challenging because when motherfuckers, did you grow up with that coming your shows? It's a different level of heckler. I know your mama.

You know what I'm saying? And then you start hear people yell up to say, hey, Donnell. Like, the only way a motherfucker in high school, and you're like, oh, you was in fucking, you was in gym class with me. And I do that every year. Like, right now I got to, I got to do a remix. I'm man. I

know we're going to see what happened you know we're going to see what happened because this I was just there I just did birch me a while ago and then I just exhausted so much I'm just in that place where once I just got to get up something's got to pop and then you know once you get that groove you just right you're like damn that's fucking 20 minutes right there it's so crazy how right now right now in the back of your mind you're in hell and you'll be in hell for another month then you'll come up with four minutes and something, you know, rock does something, this guy does something.

Now you got six minutes, but then you put together a 10-minute run. Right. And guess what? You could add three from a joke you had from a year ago. Yes, when you start putting it together. Oh! You like this. You like this. Oh, shit. They didn't even ready. You're like, this is...

When I, my last set that I had, I had to chop it up for Netflix and do some other stuff, but I was like, man, this is going to be my dope hour. But nobody was coming to me for an hour. It was coming to 15 minutes here, 20 minutes here. I'm like, man, I ain't saving shit. I said, the way I'm going to get an hour is smash it.

So, like, even on the Netflix joint, I literally took 45 minutes of shit, trimmed all the fat off and got straight to a pop, pop, pop. And I had to sacrifice. It was like, well, you should have set it for your Netflix. But I said, Netflix didn't give me an hour. They gave me 15 minutes. And that would give me the other one. But that, and I had, man, I had this closing where I had,

had the beginning the middle. I had a callback. I had a tag. And then my last joke, I had three callbacks. No, four callbacks from the entire set. So it was like, bop, and at the end, bam, bam, bam, bam, bough. And I dismantle with the set.

It's going to force me to go harder, though. So December 31st and January. And I'm going on tour with Martin, too. I'm doing Martin, Lawrence. This is going to be so nostalgic. Martin Lawrence lit his fuck to her. And he's doing 29 cities. I'm doing like nine of them.

Earthquake, D. Ray, a little rail, Jay Farrell, Tommy Davidson. It's a mix of everything, a mix of different people. I've got seven days. But for me to grow up, like looking at Martin Lawrence, it's like a bucklerless shit, man. Just to be able to shake his hand coming on and offstage. It's going to be dope.

Good for you, man. You got a website where they can find. Donnell Rawlins. dot com. Donel Rorland. And Joe, you know I've been coming under,

I'm glad we had this type of interview. I've been coming under a lot of attack on that I talk too much and I've

heard people saying I don't know when to shut up and I talk too much so I've taken that energy and I've started my own podcast so I could talk

my motherfucking ass off. It's called the Donner-Rolling show. It's beyond, you probably can get it right now.

Where are you tape it at? Anywhere. I'm so bootleg. All right. Yo, I want you to check it. I know you get sick of it, but I just, I'm excited about it. I know.

I'm going to do it with you. I'm going to do with you next week after. Yo, it's fun. You're going to let me and Kate. But it's just, I watched it yesterday, and I was like, this is different. It just feels so real and so dope. Even our chemistry, you know what I'm saying? Because you see her, when you first see her, you see a pretty face, right?

And then you get a couple of minutes, you see a tom boy and just a cool motherfucker. Yeah, she's a cool. She's cool and shit. every night. Yeah, she's dope. I talked to some nights at the morning. Some nights I talked to her three. She's like a little sister.

She talked to you so much. I'm like, bitch, I'm my way if I don't got there Uncle Joey no more. Yeah, we talk a lot. Her and I are like comedy, you know. Yeah, you mean a lot of her life. I could tell every time she, you know, no, no. Listen, man, we also have the mutual form of the violin, Eliza.

I love her. Who I love her with all my heart. Guys like you and me, we need, we need it. Man, that girl, Eliza, when I first, before I moved here, It would be like I would have to do an audition or something. I didn't know nowhere around. She would come and take me to auditions, damn, they're living out her car. You know what I'm saying?

And I've seen her go up and down in her life. I've never seen her down. I've never seen her frown. I've always known her to be like, it's just part of it. We keep it moving. We keep it moving. I love her Twitter. That's why I'm on the podcast.

I love her. I love it a death. And that violin, she's a beast. Oh, my gosh. I made a play. I told her to bring it. I told, yo, I was like. Man.

When I talked to it, because she talked to me, right? She was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was, I want to say, bitch, not the bad way. I was like, bitch, if you don't got to take that motherfucker violent and rock that shit? She fucking rocked it, right? She killed it, right? Yeah. She made me crying.

But bro, you always welcome on my podcast. Thank you. I appreciate it, man. This is family here. No time. You kill me at the store, your energy. And I wish you nothing but love. Appreciate it.

And don't forget, I'm in Miami next week. December, no, no, New York, December 6th. All that's left is late tickets. You in New York? For town hall, yeah. Where? At town hall. I'm gonna go to a birthday party.

God damn, I might catch you after, but I'm being town. It's all right. I'll be there December 6th, Friday. All the tickets I got left. Boston sold out, so all we got left is the second show. For town hall. It's going to be a great show. I got a bunch of motherfuckers showing up.

So bring the reef, do what you need to do. And now for our word. That's my birthday, son. December 6? Yeah, I'm fucking with you. I'm sorry. How old are you going to be? I don't talk about that shit.

I'm still trying to act. I'm still trying to act. You don't want them to put you in a category. I'm still trying to act, man. I'm going to audition. I'm like, well, send me out for some teenage shit. I'm sick of y'all talking about too old. I'm just going to keep it to myself, but I'm happy.

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There's a few tickets left up there too. Knock yourself out. Have a great fucking week. This is the week, motherfuckers. It's Thanksgiving. Gobble, gobble, kick this fucking meal. Pick up the pieces. When somebody breaks your heart,

Some somebody twice as smart as I A somebody who will swear to be true As you used to do with me To learn his company See how he does it When he breaks your heart two bits Let's see if a puzzle fits so fine. And that's when I'll discover that revenge is sweet.

Seat when somebody breaks your heart like you.