The Church of What's Happening Now: The New Testament - #810 - Gene Kirkland

Episode Date: August 5, 2020

Gene Kirkland, a renowned photographer who has made his living taking pictures at live shows, behind the scenes, and at photoshoots for some of the top musicians of our time. He has worked with Black Sabbath, DIO, and Aerosmith to name just a few, joins Joey Diaz and Lee Syatt LIVE in studio.  The video Joey mentions at the beginning of the podcast featuring a young Gene with Jimmy Page and Aerosmith backstage can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAV2TfzZXJE   This podcast is brought to you by:   Sheath Underwear - A new kind of underwear designed with separate compartments for maximum support and performance. Go to www.sheathunderwear.com and use code JOEY for 20% off your first order and a 100% money back guarantee.   Onnit.com - Use Promo code CHURCH for a 10% discount at checkout.

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Oh shit, it all start fucking to that wreck. No more fucking excuse. This is the year of the fucking soldier. We're going in like fucking Marines. You understand me? Welcome to church, motherfucker. Oh yeah, I got a little snapping fingers today. Wednesday morning. I got my man Gene Kirkland here. You're asking yourself, who the fuck is

Jean Kirkland, Joey? Do me one favor. Lee, tell them where to go. All right. You're going to go to YouTube and you're going to type in Jimmy Page, P-A-G-E with Aerosmith, Backstage, Castle, Donington, D-O-N-N-N-N-G-T-O-N-N-N-N-N-G-T-O-N-N-N-G. Do that right now. YouTube, Jimmy Page with Aerosmith, 1990. Just put that in real quick. This video is going to come up. Go ahead. I'm going to give you a couple minutes. How are you, Gene? Awesome. How you doing, brother? How you feeling beautiful, brother? It is a fucking honor to have the photographer

of the rock stars in my fucking studio. You understand me? And you showed up with a fucking envelope. You show up with a beautiful picture of Guns and Roses walking on to the Brotherford 19, whatever, when they shot Paradise City video, which

I'm going to take back to Jersey. It's going to be right behind my fucking thing from now on. It was for you, man. It's the weirdest connection that I have to Guns and Roses. in my life. But anyway, what's happening in your world? Everything. All things good, man. And you're busy now that the tour season is over? Well,

no tour season right now, but I'm going through my catalog. Going through all my catalog. I think you were saying you're trying to get your website together. Yeah, yeah. I'm going through. I found pictures that I don't remember even taking. I've got Little Richard pictures.

Black and white, live, Little Richard. I don't even remember taking them. I don't know. I didn't even know I didn't even know I did it. I don't know for a clue where I was at. I'm finding stuff that I just literally just found, and I don't know. Trust me, I'm moving. I found some shit.

That's crazy. Yesterday, I found pills here. I don't know who left them. I went behind, I went in the fucking record case. Gene, they were like Perkins. I don't even know who left them in a baggie. And I threw them out. I didn't really throw them out.

I brought him home, and I put them in the jacket to give to the homeless shelter. I'm going to give it to some homeless guys. Put that jacket on, put his hand in there, and find some fucking boo-loos for a while. He won't be homeless for a while. He won't be homeless for the night. But one of them fell on the floor. I didn't even know what it was last night. I took it.

I was fucked up last night. Whatever fell on the floor last night, two nights ago, and I picked it up, and I ate it with the stars. I think that's why you were fucked up because the stars didn't really hate it. I was fucked up that night. I'm one of those guys. Why look at the pill? You're going to go to pill find it. Take a chance Columbus did.

Fuck it. You find the pill. It's got to be, and I know who left them. I remember the guy's name who left the batch of fucking vikins and percissettes and fucking all that leverage of whatever. So put on this video, Lee, I hope you guys have tuned into the video. It's three minutes and 36. When I got to watch the whole thing, I just want to show you guys who the fuck is in the studio just so you, right to get, right to set the mood. Lee, you're going to put it on again.

Oh, yeah, sure. You're going to finger bang me the death here. It's fucking Wednesday. We open up, if you watch in this video, to Stephen Tyler and Joe Perry, over aboard, just disgusting stuff. But behind them, you see a young, quirky kid with glasses, a beard, picking his ear with a camera,

and you can see he's anxious. He's trying to fucking figure something out of you. He keeps moving back and forth, but here's Joe Perry, you know, persona of a fucking rock star. Now you see the guy go behind Joe Perry. He's trying to get a shot of these guys. They're both shirtless. If it was COVID season, they'd be in jail.

There's no social distancing. There's no mask. Look at him. He's got fucking shark teeth. By this point, the man that's sitting in this chair, this fucking legend, is shooting them. These guys are talking. And who walks in the motherfucking room? But Satan's nephew, Jimmy Pades.

Now my man doesn't know what the fuck to do. He's going crazy. Look at the anxiety. He's trying to get a shot from the back. He's picking up a different thing. fucking camera. You got to get a line of Coke. Look at him. Now he's got the fucking super lens.

That's who's in this fucking chair right now, ladies and gentlemen. So if you're watching this fucking video, now Jimmy Page is telling Arrow Smith they're going over something like, what's the set list? Maybe you should put this here. And this poor young photographer is going back to get

a different lens now because he just put a lens in this pocket. He took the eight ball just in case somebody decides to steal it. He's walking over. He's trying to set a shot up. He's putting his fucking thing. This is the man that's sitting in this chair right now. So if you watch

this video, right now, he's in right walks right to you. And finally, finally, as Stephen Tyler unpicks his fucking ear, they come together and they take a fucking shot. He's shooting. He's shooting.

You're watching this. He's shooting. This is 19-000- This is 30 fucking years ago. This is who this man is. You could turn this off. What's happening, Gene Kirkland? Wow. These motherfuckers don't know.

This is how you come out. This is how you show up to a party. Yep. How old were you then? 27. And this was your life at this time. Yep. Yep.

That was a daily. That was another day at the office. And you would play these, how many fucking times a year would you be hired to do these things? Oh, all the time. I mean, I, that was a Saturday show. I was home by Monday and working with another band, probably doing something with Ozzy or whoever and then off again. I was only there for the weekend. They fly me in, come in and say, you know, do this for, hang out with us for a weekend,

you know, blah, blah, blah, and then come back home. Now, when we spoke the other day, you spoke about your high school days, how you learn how to take pictures with an oatmeal box and lens and your teacher, you know, you worked for him part-time at his shop or something like that. Yeah. Take it from there. What happened after that? You were going to go to photography school. Yeah.

It was going to be your passion. I was going to go to me and my buddy were going to go to Arizona, Tucson. I think it's the, I get a mixed up. It's the U of A of you. whatever it is, the university. And that's in Tucson. We stayed there two weeks, decided to, you know, hey, this is going to be great.

And on the way back home, I was almost killed in a car wreck. 7.30 in the morning, July 31st, 1980, just two and a half, three weeks out of high school. And it was almost over. My buddy fell asleep at the wheel, and we went over a cliff, and it was in the middle of nowhere, I think, Kingman, Kingman, Arizona. And a truck driver happened to be on the road going on the other highway and saw it, and was able to radio the dispatch to get the proper authorities, all the medical attention, everything, in the middle of the desert. and it was life-changing because we were due to come back after the summer and go back to school there.

But my plans changed. So that's where I am now because I couldn't go back. It was impossible for me to leave. I had my neck broken, my back broken, my legs, my right arm, my shoulder, my wrists, my hands, just a whole mess. They took me to a veterinarian to stitch up my head because I was just bleeding, I mean, so much. I had hair down to my waist, and it was just matted, and I think 180 stitches had to be given to me. And then they landed a plane right next to the veterinarian, and then flew me back to Phoenix. How long were you in Phoenix for a recovery?

That seemed like forever, but it was probably about three or four months. Oh, my God. And then from there, you told me you flew up closer to your parents. They found the rehab facility. Yeah, they found out that one of the best rehab facilities around the country is about five minutes from where I was living in my parents' house because I was only 18. So they let me come home and do rehab.

They'd have me go to rehab a couple times a week and then have a lady come over and pretty much try to. to put me back together again and teach me how to walk and do everything. Were you paralyzed or like what? No, I should have been. I actually, no, I was paralyzed for maybe about a week or a couple of days. I don't remember, but they, I remember the doctors kept running a, it looked like a pizza cutter.

You know, those pizza cutters and everything else, they run them down your feet and I never felt it. And then one day I could feel it. And I said, this kind of takes. singles. So I was able to get my feelings back. But yeah, I was paralyzed for a little bit. When you were at the recovery house and you were in the rehab, what were you thinking about your life? What did you see at that point in your future? What am I going to do now? I already had it planned out. So it's like, now what? How long am I going to have to have this, the halo

brace? I mean, you know, they had these giant cages. I still have the little marks on. on my head where they had to torque down and screw it back into my skull. But, yeah, I was, my friends had a good time with me with that. They called me Iron Man, Cage Man, Cage Boy. They decorated, they got me drunk and made sure that I had all kinds of decorations on this thing. I pretty much looked like a zombie robot. When did photography come back into your life at that point? Well, after I recovered, which was pretty fast, I got on the phone.

No cell phones, no faxes for me, no nothing. I just went through the yellow pages of the directory of music people, like all the record company people and stuff. And I didn't have anything to show them, but just bootleg pictures. I used to take bootleg pictures in the concerts. So I would like sneak my camera in and I would buy scalper tickets up front like the first five rows. I'd have to pay a whopping $20, $40 for those good seats, $40 for fifth row rush tickets or whatever I got. And so I would take the pictures myself, develop them, and put together a little portfolio, which was just disgraceful.

That's how it starts. You start little by little. And one guy gave me a shot at a record label, and he gave me a photo pass because I was working for my photography teacher. He had moved from high school where I was doing my photography then. And then after my accident, I found out that he had moved to a community college. And so I got in touch with him. he gave me a part-time job so I could set up all the photography equipment and all that stuff for the students to do the developing and all that stuff, the trays.

I had to put the trays out, mix all the chemicals. Oh, yeah, my hands smelled of stuff called Fixer and Dectal and everything else. So anyway, they had a little college paper. And so I used that as my inn, and I got a photo pass to shoot the band The Outlaws. Now, the Outlaws were opening up for Black Sabbath on the mob. No, it was Mob Rules Tools. Yeah. And I shot that.

And I, for some reason, just loved the show. I love Ronnie's performance so much. I mean, I've always been a big deal fan since Elf and Rainey. bow and everything else. So I hung out with three other guys backstage and and he came out, spent, I mean, it was starting to drizzle a little bit and then start raining and then, but he was out there and just talking to us, giving each of us really good time, signed my backstage pass. And from then on, a guy hooked me up with his phone number, which I thought he was bullshit. And I thought, this is not his number. He said,

After the tour? Well, after that, yeah, after the tour was over. And I said, I want to get in touch with him again. How can I do that? And this guy who had worked on that Sabbath tour was a friend of mine. And he gave me this number and he said, this is Ronnie's home number. And he said, no, nobody just gives you a home number of a guy. So I had that number in my pocket, my wallet for six months.

And on Thanksgiving, 19. 1981, I think, Thanksgiving. I just downed a beer, and at two in the afternoon, I called the number, and the man answered the phone. Ronnie James Dio. I said, really? This is Ronnie, and I could recognize his voice again. And he said, yeah.

So I just blurted out a whole mess of I don't know what I said to him. But he said, listen, man. Actually, he said, listen, kid. He always called me kid. Listen, kid, we're going to have our meal pretty soon, but why don't you call the office next week, the following week, and talk to Wendy, his manager and wife, and let's see what we can do. Let's see if we can get you hooked up something. And I did. I didn't call Monday.

I called Tuesday. I didn't want to be too anxious. So I kind of held back a little bit, and I called, and she was busy, and she called me back. into, so we ended up getting a meeting and, you know, had me in her office. And so I shot one of her bands that she was working with called Roughcut. And Ronnie was supporting and helping Roughcut because he would jump on stage and sing a couple of songs with them. So it was kind of like I was, she was like, you know, work with my other band and we'll get

you in with Ronnie and all that stuff. And next thing I know, I'm in the studio shooting some Holy Diver photos. holy diver He was He just left Vivian Campbell Tremendous Oh

He had left Sabbath And started his own thing I was living in Snowmass Village And I bought that cassette And I think I remember how clean That album was

And how tremendous He was Crisp and hard I wasn't into Mub Brues But heaven and hell Was a brilliant Fucking album

And he was brilliant How did he impact Your Life Like Because I know He made a big impact. I mean, he took you to the next level, basically. He opened every, he was the key to open to every door I had. I mean, he gave me my first shot.

If it wouldn't have been him, I don't know who it would have been or how long it would have taken, but he, besides being an awesome, awesome, great, great singer, he's equally a great guy. I mean, he would just constantly ask me, did I give you the good pictures you needed? Do you have everything you needed? And I remember going to his house to take some portraits of him. And everybody calls me different names, Gene Gene, Gene, the photo machine, Gene Gene, the dancing machine, Gene Gene, the Wacking Machine or whatever it is. But he called me Gene Gene Gene the lens cap machine because I was so nervous that when I went

take his portraits. He was, he was just rock-like. This is the first time. First time I ever did anything. Yeah, went to his house. Went to his house. Beautiful story. Yep. And I'm in his backyard. He's all in a nice black shirt. Jeans just, just like something from the 70s. Just awesome. Framed everything right and put my camera up to my face. And something's wrong. Something's not, I'm starting to, in seconds, I started to sweat like what's wrong what's wrong he goes you gotta take the limbs cap off before you can take a photograph dude so i felt pretty much like a dick so i took the lens cap off and put it in my pocket and from then on it's like hey lens cap how you're doing today man at the shows it's like you're ready

to go and um it's just amazing one of before he passed away one of his last messages to me was lens cap's rule now what happened with the hearing aids you were telling me oh oh um well hearing aid was done if people remember there was a thing called we are the world where all these 84 yeah all these little pop stars

got together and they did a charity thing well um Wendy and Ronnie decided to do a heavy metal version of their thing and say well we can do it too and it was called Hearing Aid and they pulled together people like Ted Nugent, Rob Halford,

all the DO members, people from Night Ranger, the two Iron Main guitarists, George's Lynch from Dockin, just some guys from Blue Easter Colt, just that everybody got together and did their version. And so that was hearing aid,

that was a nice couple of days working in the studio around the clock all night. There was about four photographers, and we all just kind of went in different rooms and different places and just took pictures of everything that went on. So now that you were mentioning to me, you also worked for Rolling Stone. When did they come into the picture? Oh, Rolling Stone.

You did like freelance work for them. Yeah, Rolling Stone magazine, yeah, yeah. I mean, once I started getting published in different places and everything else, people would find out that I have a picture of this, this person or this. And I remember when I was working with Sam Kinnison, Sam Kinnison had just did this video Wild Thing. I think that was a wild thing with all the major... Arrowsmith and Rat.

I mean, just all kinds of band members were in that video. But there's a picture I have. where Sam and Jessica Hahn, because that was a major big thing, and they were face-to-face just about to kiss, and I grabbed a picture of it, and they thought that was great, and so Rolling Stone used that, and once they used that, I got calls for other things, too, and one of them was a great assignment I had was shooting Johnny Cash at the Viper Room. I got a call saying, okay, we're not sure.

if this is happening or not, but we'll let you know. And this is like 4 in the afternoon. So nobody knew what was really going to happen. But Johnny Depp, he still owned the Vipor Room. And I got the call saying, Johnny Cash, you got to shoot this. And it was just him, one spotlight and his acoustic guitar. And it was packed. I mean, it was packed full of people.

And I remember somebody bumping me from behind. You know how people get real crazy and they want to get close? Well, I kept elbowing this guy in the gut saying, back off, man. Turned around, it was Tom Petty. Tom Petty was just trying to, everybody was trying to get in tight just to, you know, get real close and I didn't know who it was. I just bam, bam, bam. How crazy was the strip back then? Oh, man.

It was a different world. Yeah. Oh, completely different. I mean, it was my greatest times were all the 80s and into some of the 90s. I mean. When did it go downhill, you think? Because I got here in 97, and the coconut teaser was still open. And there was an open mic there for comedy.

Coconut teaser with the stuff on the floor still? Yeah. I mean, you know, I've been driving past that place for the last 10 years. And I always banged my head on the wall. Like, what? What the fuck used to be in here? That was an open mic, Lee. Where was it?

Coconut Tees, it was right when you make the turn on sunset, from Laurel Canyon to sunset. Okay. You make that to, right there. Now you see a bunch of limos there waiting for, because now it's like a fancy, schwancy. It's something. Private club.

But in the old days, on Monday, we were on the walk to the comedy store. We knew the guy who ran that. So that was the first open mic. But then they told me that the guy who owned that was responsible for like, like great bands or something. Len Burr, I don't know what his fucking name was. Who ever owned the coconut teas that gave somebody a big break?

Well, all the people that own different venues or bars like whiskey and the Roxy and all those things, they always gave people, you know, comics or bands, you know, a good start. I mean, it's, I can't remember their names off the top. I mean, it just seems like. I mean, it just seems like. There was no fucking place of glamour. The coconut teaser was a dive. It was just like a regular open mic.

It had sawdust. Sawdust on the floor. I did it like maybe 10 times on a Monday night. Just on the walk just to get light. It's just a set of just a number. So I would go in there. There'd be eight people, nine of them comics, you know. Yeah.

You would just go up there and then stop at the liquor store. Yeah. That is right in the corner. Right on the corner. Yep. You got a bottle of something. buy them, put Chateaumour a month, and head to the comedy store. Yeah.

Fucking old days and stuff. Yeah, I mean, I didn't really remember until I went to see a few people there, and it's like I didn't know it was all different variety, but they had bands playing and then comics there, and then sometimes they mixed them together. Sometimes there would be a comic opening up for a band, or, you know, something like that. So, you know, it was crazy.

The 80s were very, very, very, well, they were awesome to me. People really don't understand the magnitude of the 70s and 80s. They don't understand the freedom. They don't understand. They really don't. And I notice it because I'm so 80, and I will always be so 1980. Well, because you had to work for everything. I've never changed my head, do.

I've never gotten a tattoo. I've never pierced myself. Hey, brother. I don't have anything. We came from a society, but you weren't allowed to do anything. Yep. Like my society, like, if you had a tattoo, you went to prison or you went to the service. That's it.

Don't show up with a tattoo because you climb the hill. They'll stab you the fucking neck. My mom's older than you, but she still thinks tattoos are for criminals and sailors. Yes, that's it. Criminals and sailors. You know, it's so weird how the 80s were. So, you know, when the movie, the Molly Crew movie came out on Netflix. The Dirt movie.

It opens up with Chick-Gadid out, and she squirts across the room. Oh, yeah. You know, this was as opposite as Me Too as can be the 80s, but nobody's complaining. Nobody really complained from those women. If you really think about it, in fact, Ray Don Chung raised her hand up about six months ago, and said she fucked Mick Jagger when she was 16, but that he didn't impose herself on him. She's not even mad.

She would go down there and looking for, you know, they're 16-year-olds. They go down there. They go down there. You know, what a Felicia Michael's friends used to tell me, in fact, her son is some famous rock star that gave her an envelope and said, you don't know me, you don't want to know me.

I got another family. this ain't going to happen. Here's $300,000. Tell him his father died in the Marines. Wow. And she told me some heavy fucking duty stories of going, you know, sneaking out, throwing a dress out the window

with a miniskirt and walking down Lowell Canyon. Who walks down Laurel Canyon? Everybody did. Everybody did this. Sneaking out the window, doing whatever. I never, I walked down Lowell Canyon. I see people. I say a prayer for them.

I'm like, he's not, he's going to be dead on the walk up. On the way up, I'm not even going to take Laurel Canyon because I know there's going to be an ambulance. And I've seen it. I saw a guy one night at 12 from the comedy store going up a hill on a 10 speed. I'm like, this poor bastard I should just hit him to save him the affirmation. This is a nightmare. He's going to have a heart attack when it's time he gets the cold water. I can hit him and nobody will know nothing.

There's no cameras. Just a little tap. He goes off the clip there like Kettison. There's never where Kettison went off the car right there. Anyway, who gives a fuck? We're back to my man here. Another festival you did that people don't remember that was a fucking banger. The lineup was a banger.

It was the U.S. Festival. The U.S. Festival for three days. Which was here in 1983. I mean, let's talk about music then. You shot that. Well, actually, the weird thing is I was still getting started because the Holy Diver record had come out. And I was still on the phone calls, making the calls, you know, trying to get meetings with people and everything else. Well, you had to really do it.

You had to do two things. You had to be out in the clubs. You had to be out there being seen and making the phone calls and doing everything. So I would go to see bands, see my friends band. If I liked them and I knew they were playing, I would go check them out at clubs or work. wherever. And so this one guy says to me, hey, man, I want to hire you to shoot some pictures at this big us festival event. It's huge. It's going to be huge. I mean, it's three days long. And he wanted me to shoot it for a poster that him and some other crackpot guy was going to make out these

posters. What he wanted was for me to get in a plane with him, a little Sussna plane, two-seater, and he wanted me to take pictures. He wanted something that was not possible to do, but I didn't care. I was just going to do it anyway and try to figure out how to do it. He wanted the pictures of the whole sea of people, hundreds of thousands of people, and he still wanted to see who was on the stage. Now, that's pretty impossible. to do unless you're hovering over about 400 feet above the crowd. You can't get that sea of people and still see the band. They're little ants. So I just did the best I could. So we flew, he hired me to shoot this poster and we flew out of Van Nuys Airport. And we were, it was August, it was hot.

he's flying there and we're talking and everything else and I told him that yeah I've I've ridden in a few Cessna's before and I could fly I don't land I don't take off but I can I can steer the wheel so it was fun I flew a little bit there and we started to get near the festival and he was making long circles around so I could lean out through a window and and take my lens and shoot from the plane. And so he kept getting closer and closer to the ground level. And we were being reported by the, I think it's the FCC. And we were told that if we do not leave the premises area, the flying area,

we will be escorted down by some jets. And so I think it was eight times we made a little loop around the whole festival. And I shot a whole bunch of stuff. And on the way back, he started to tell me that he wasn't going to make it. I said, what do you mean you're not going to make it? He said, I'm going to pass out. And I said, the pilots. Yeah, yeah.

And he was just about my age. So I You're like I got I'm like I 10 years ago now I'm gonna go down And like yeah Randy roads Yeah

No I'm like okay what do you mean What's wrong? He says well Going around circles And that heat Because it's hot in the airplane And he says I got vertigo And I said

I said oh right All right He says do you think you can take the And then all of a sudden The wheel Stoped and we were going So I grabbed I grabbed the wheel and he would go in and out of consciousness.

So I didn't know what to do. All I know is, F this, F this, wake up. I was slapping him in the face. All this stuff. Wake up, wake up, wake up. And, you know, you have to keep both hands on the wheel, especially in an airplane. So I'm just kind of all over the place. and he finally gets on the radio and tells like a sort of a Mayday thing to Burbank.

We're going to fly into Burbank. We left out of Van Nuys, California, but we had to land in Burbank. That was the closest we were at. And the control tower for Burbank talked to me, and I was calling him all kinds of names, saying, you should be up here, not me. don't know what I'm doing up here. And he just said, just relax. You're flying fine. Just keep your eye on these instruments and all this stuff. And so he said, you're going to see a big 25. That was the lane, the runway I was supposed to go on. And it was furthest away from all the

commercial jets, which happens to be where all the performers were coming in and out of the S Festival. They were flying out of that area. They had to stop. Everybody, had to stop. So all I remember of seeing is this giant 25. I'll never, ever forget that, this big two-five. And he's saying, you're coming too fast, you're coming too slow, back off,

do this. I'm saying, you should be fucking up here. Not me. You, why am I here? What am I doing up here? And I was just freaking out. And the guy started to wake up a little bit, and then he'd go back down. It's like, oh, man, it's just freaking me out.

And so I had my hand and trying to talk to this guy and doing this, just about ready to land. And all of a sudden, the steering column took a turn a little bit, and we bounced a little bit all over the place because he was trying to, he was awake now a little bit and trying to override what I was trying to do. and so we were like bouncing a little bit. He spun around so much, he got vertigo. Well, I found out later. All right. He had been up all night,

doing blow, smoking the weed, drinking. He hung over, vertigo, everything like that. So I found this out. I punched him and knocked him out in the plane, got a taxi, and went back to get my car in Van Nuys. and pretty much threw all the photos away, except for two I have. And so I kept two.

Did you get paid? I didn't even care if I saw that guy again. I was going to kill him. Was that the last time we worked together? Yeah. I can't imagine. I was talking about Bernie gone. I was thinking about Lee tomorrow.

I was talking about Lee tomorrow. You son of, bitch. I'd rather be in that point right now. We wouldn't see you again, Lee. As soon as you said, spinning around, I'm thinking about Lee tomorrow at the accountant's office. When they print up the paperwork and they show them these sites. You're going to kill them here. You're going to kill them.

I'm telling you. We'll give you the backstory later, people. Anyway. But after that story started to get around and blah, blah, blah, people were like, all right, you've got balls. You'll do this and everything else. So I started getting more photo work and all that kind of stuff. But, yeah, it's... You're killing him over here.

You look at him. When he goes to that accountant, and he tells him, and they're like, yeah, this is you. This is all on you. You didn't pay it from 28. I pay, oh, no. You know what? Best not say much more, because...

Yeah, you never know. God damn. Long story short, don't tell Joey when he get a bad notice in the mail. It was a bad note. It was a bad note. This one's a bad one, guys. Only Moos can get this one. You understand me?

I'm sorry to interrupt you. No, no. He's not sorry. It just came back to me when you said the guy was spinning around. I thought about Lee tomorrow. Spending around like a top. Oh, it's going to be tonight. He's not going to go to sleep.

Lee, take an out of you. You might as well. I did take it out of you. that spray thing that's, I'm high as fuck right now, and a mystery pill. And now you're just giggling at me. That couple sprays myself. God damn it.

You girls are so funny. You don't fuck around here, Gene. I got the torture for the time of the time. No, you really don't. Oh, my God. I would love, if you see, Gene, here's the thing. If I was on that plane and he was in the, he was in the, like, the control pit, he'd be laughing the entire time.

What do you want me to tell your mom? What do you want on your headstone? He would tell me all these. Dad, yeah. He wouldn't be... What song you want played at your funeral, yeah, exactly. Don't worry. Don't worry. Don't worry. Don't worry.

You kids are crazy. Oh, tonight he's like, it calls off my fucking credit us. I ain't told nobody. You don't understand. They took his identity. These people on the day, you know what? Zip, zip, zip, zip. Nobody needs to know this stuff.

They sold it at Limerick Park, and I told him. this is going to happen. He laughed at me. He didn't believe me. I can't wait until you're wrong and I can just, just go la la la la la la la la. You're going to pay. The more I go,

the happier he gets. This is the happy. He doesn't have this happy on his birthday. It's going to cost you at least a G-no for an attorney. Fine. You know what I'm saying? Better than 48. 48.

And then the attorney wants 10 because he saved you 48,000. Listen, how to torture a Jewish person. Talk about money and what he's got to pay. pretty soon will come in with a neck brace you know what I'm saying that any day now I'll come in with a neck brace

they bang you out with that bill you get a neck brace you go over by that park and you slip and fall and you sit there until I get there I'll be a witness till I found you passed out we'll call the ambulance

we'll do it all high line we'll take you to see this to the COVID unit you'll get COVID that cost you 15 grand right that's I'm just tacking on money for you I'm saying the long you stay at the hospital

if you rack up the bills the more you get in the side settlement and then we could count the suit and get to the bottom of this fuckered there. Thank God you're on my accountant. This is the awful advice. What if we were someone's account and this was just the advice you're giving out?

Oh, Gene, you have no idea, Gene. Gene, what happened at the House of Blues? Talk to me. Oh. Aerosmith, we're playing the House of Blues. Very first... Hollywood. Hollywood, yes. Crossing the comedy store. Yeah, right across the road

across the street. Across the street. Yeah. And so... Is you what that is now? What is it? It's a huge fucking building. I mean, you don't see shit at night

when you're old. I miss life at night when I'm old. I don't know. When I was doing Coke, Gene, I could see through walls. I could see through women's clothing. I stopped snort and coke.

My vision went to the pizza. I don't see dick. I go to Hollywood in the daytime. I know this shit. I went last week, and I got out of the car in front of the comedy store. You gotta see the size as this fucking monstrosity. And they built it. How quickly?

Like that. I was torn down about a couple years ago, I think. It was torn down for a while. And it was a hole. Then they dug hole. And they kept that light for a while. Because I would drive down that hill every night. I'm down there three times a week.

The Sunset Boulevard is not the same at all. Not even. It is not even fucking close from what? I went down the other day and I drove to the Lyseniga.

We drove past the Sienega and we made a lot. You're trying to Chin Chin Chin. Chin was packed eating COVID terrible Chinese food. Why would you take a chance of your life as fucking Chinchin? It is pretty bad.

You might as well go to Wuhan and fucking sit there and get a fucking spare rip. You know what I'm saying? Eat a cat while you're there, drink some drink some fucking bat blood do something you know what I'm saying I'm sorry you know it's good ahead

but no you sunset is you know even that story you told before about the fucking Viper Room when I got here the Viper Room wasn't really a big deal I think Johnny Depp we did comedy there on Sundays there was some guy that you went up in front of two

bands he gave you 25 bucks and a couple of drinks I went down a couple Sunday nights but there was no Johnny Depp no more yeah I think once the kid died, rest in peace. I think that that bar went down. Once a guy dies here, like if somebody would have died here one night on edibles, I'm out of this office the next day, you know what I'm saying?

I'll put a little hat on him and close the door. Some guy dies and edible. You think that some guy's going to be. It's going to be me. You don't get him started. As soon as you open your mouth, he's going to go. I'm tired of it. So, Gene, how, like, can you put into perspective, like, how many people,

whether they're like you back then? there must have been 8,000 bands, but how many, like, photographers were there? How many people were there trying to do what you were doing? Oh, we're done. I mean, dozens and dozens. I mean, we were all friends. I mean, everybody was, we were, we were, you know, trying to do the same gig, but, you know, there was just a little tight unit of friends and everything else.

So, I mean, it was, it was, like it was a handful. You're going to be all right? You're going to be all right. of you are fine i don't know i'm just sitting here high as fucking sprang of what was that gibberish i don't know who knows you eat brains what he's spraying all this stuff in the air i'm gonna get lung cancer from it just me you got other problems you're flying on one wing right now You don't know the person. I'm telling you, his license is at Limerick Park right now.

Well, he had a good question, but the fact was, there was a lot of photographers doing what I was doing, and, you know, there was some old school, older photographers that I looked up to and all that stuff. And, you know, you're going to land pretty soon, are you? You're coming down? Oh, trust me, I'm fine compared to where I've been. Okay.

But there was some great photographers that were in our little group of people that we always saw at the concerts and everything else, and I'm still friends with them today. And we all agree that, I mean, there is no more scene. There used to be a scene, a happening thing. You know, everybody was going to see this band. And, you know, you could always see your friends at shows. But, you know, there's, when Digital came around, wiped out everything. It was not fun.

I mean, I remember when FedEx came aboard and you had to have something sent overnight. Now that's not fast enough anymore. You take something, people want to see it right away. I mean, going to concerts and seeing, you know, people with their lighters in the old days was great when, you know, you had your big lighter and all that stuff. Now people are just holding up cell phones. I cannot tell you how irritating that is for me to try to get some pictures and see nothing but cell phones and people aren't watching the shows anymore. But anyway, I digress to, yes, there was a lot of photographers that were trying to do what I was doing. And then getting back to Joey's question, the Viper Room was, I think part owned by Aerosmith and part owned by Dan Aykroyd.

some other kind of things that I just kind of listened and heard and stuff like that. So they had the opening night of Aerosmith going to play, the grand opening of the Viper Room, the House of Blues. So the House of Blues wasn't even finished yet. They were painting, railing, and they were putting in nails. Aerosmith is doing a sound check, and they're still hammering nails and putting up doors, and painting all the stuff. And you could smell paint during the sound check and all the stuff.

So anyway, they do a great two-hour set and it's packed. Everybody is there that you could think of. Dustin Hoffman, Danny Glover, oh, that comedian, the great guy, Chris Farley, Stephen Stills, just a whole, you know, slew of, people, you know, celebrities, musicians. And I had every kind of pass and credential you can ever think of. You know, when you go someplace and they say, here's your wristband, here's your credential, here's this.

Well, I had every one you could have, every color, every size. And I was following Stephen Tyler into this private little room at the House of Blues. and my hand we were trying to get through and I remember Stephen Stills and Dan Aykroyd were talking and then Stephen Tyler had my hand he was pulling me through because he wanted to get a shot with somebody that was in there. There were some people that they really wanted some photos of and my other hand was being grabbed by Dan Aykroyd and two of the biggest security guys I'd ever seen in my life. So they were pulling me back out thinking that I was a paparazzi guy and, hey, this is, this is, you can't be here. And I said, well, I'm working with Aerosmith. I'm working

for them. I, I, here, what do you want to see? Here's another pass. Here's another pass. So, um, um, um, Stevens yelling at me, come in, come in. He's got my arm one way. And so I'm right in the middle of a doorway. And Dan Aykroyd's calling for more secure. because I'm being pulled down by two more of Aerosmith guys and Dan Eckrod's people. And I'm just, and everybody has to stop because they can't go in because I'm in there in the hallway. And so, long story short, is I'm screaming, Dan Aykroyd, you suck. I hate Ghostbusters. I hate everything you did.

You suck, you suck, you suck. And finally he let go of his grip and somebody who was on the white. And Stephen just yanked me all the way through. And they sorted it out. I said, let you guys sort it out. And let me take my pictures. Now, when I spoke to you, you're a big timeerosmith. I mean, you knew get your wings, which a lot of people don't.

You knew the first album. We talked about kings and queens throughout the line. Were you a fan of theirs before you took that picture? You become a fan. Oh, no, I've been a fan. You're a fan. And all of a sudden, you got a call to shoot Aerosmith. Yeah, yeah.

When was your first call to shoot Aerosmith? I did a lot of work for Geffen Records. That's right. A very, very, very dear, dear friend, Bryden Bridenthal was the head of publicity department at Geffen Records. And Aerosmith had just come out with permit vacation. And she had hired me before to do video stills on, like Robbie Robertson. Yeah, and I had flown out to New Mexico to spend three days out there. And I had done lots of variety bands for her.

And she said, hey, you know what? Aerosmith's got a new record out. and she, you know, she gave me a copy of the tape and says they're going to do a video shoot next week. I want to hire you to do that. Can you go down there? And it was, dude looks like a lady. So I got photos of dude looks like a lady stills. And it was just, I mean, I'm doing my job, but I'm shaken because these are, you know,

I saw Aerosmith at the crappiest of crap. I mean, they were great on record, but when they were live in the 70s, they, I've seen some pretty... Three times. They were 0 and 3 for me. Really? Oh, and 3. And then years later, I got to find out the history, whatever. But they were very...

I've always respected them in a weird... They had two lives, man. They had two different fucking lives as a band. and a lot of bands like ACDC had two lives but they switched singers you know, Black Sabbath had two lives again there was a switching of the guard Errol Smith was pretty much dead

in 1981 for people who don't know they were dead it was just a fucking joke it was really a joke and I still remember like I was a fan of get your wings I was even a fan of night at the ruts that's how much of an Harrow Smith

fan I am. Dean Delray reminded me you've got to re-listen to it again. It's got some, it's got some good stuff. Really good stuff. So, what the fuck are we talking about? I don't even know.

You're talking about being a fan. So now you walk into this room and what the fuck? How do you act? I'd lose my mind. But no, I wouldn't. Because I still remember the first time I had to shoot something.

One of my first big shoots had a shoot with James Coburn. Wow. James Coburn to me is like my connection to Bruce Lee. Like that's it. You know, I still remember my mom going, watching him in like Flint. And then I picked up the second one,

and then once you see the dirt, the Magnificent Seven, he threw the knives. You know, James Coburn was just a shit. And I got a call for three months. They keep pushing it back to shoot. And I get paid every time. I don't give a fuck.

Then I got a call you shooting Monday. He's well. And I go, whoa, we wait. And then James Coburn. I'm like, oh, my God. And when I looked at the lines, I had scenes with him. So how do you, I didn't know how to act. And I was a young comic, a really green actor.

How do you prep for that? I kept it together. Like when I saw, when I saw, when I saw Mahomet. When I knew, when I found out Muhammad, Muhammad Ali was coming to the comedy store. I had like a thing on my back, and I had this emotion, and I broke out in tears.

And I did not want to see Muhammad Ali. Like, I couldn't, I think I'd fucking faint. You know what I'm saying? Like, there's people, I think I'll faint. Like, if I ever saw Steve McQueen in 1973, I would have fainted. That's what he meant to me. Charles Bronson, even though he was a scumbag, I would have fainted, you know.

Stephen Tyler, I'd faint when I was a kid. We're not talking about now. I see Stephen Tyler. I know, I'm like, what the fuck? Get it together. Yeah, I mean. Stop with the bracelets. You're 80 years old.

You're going to breathe. But he's, did you ever see him on Rogan? Oh, no. Bro, that was one of the best interview. Really? He was, when you watch Stephen Tyler, you know that is a fake. When you watch Stephen Tyler, you realize Johnny, Johnny Depp is a mook or more.

Like he's just a fucking moot when you watch Stephen Tyler. Because half of his persona is Stephen Tyler and the other half is Keith Richards. He's just put it together. But he really wants to be Stephen Tyler. But that interview that he gives

is so fucking brilliant. He's busier than all three of us put together. Oh, all the time. He was talking about his schedule. Like he read his schedule on the podcast because he wrote. writes everything down. Yeah, he's got to be here.

He's got to be there. It's just discipline. It's craziness that at that age, and then at the end of the week, they fly to Orlando and play. Something, they do something. They're like that. That's what he was talking about.

Yeah, wow. So. When was those podcasts done? About two years ago? Two or three years ago. Wow. Then he had Joe Perry on. Very good.

Very good. Well, I mean, the video that we opened up the podcast with what struck me most about it was how, you know, I mean, You think of rock stars. You think of, like, doing drugs, and they just, hey, it's time to go on. Okay.

They, like, they were doing, they were figuring out who's going to do what solos where, this and that. It was very big, it was almost like they were, like, a sports team getting ready for a big game. They were getting a plan together that I just, you didn't, I would never expect. But 90s, they were sober. But in the 70s, it was nothing. It just show up. Nothing. Poor mom.

Oh, okay. So part of the, they used to. Yeah, they changed. Oh, they came back. They were sober. Yeah. They kept it together. They were sober. You could see it on their faces. They were the sharpest they ever were.

When I saw them, they looked 20 years older than that. Crazy. I saw them 10 years before, and they looked older from the heroin. They were beat up from the fucking heroin. It's really a man. And when you read the book, when they shot kings and queens, whatever, you know, they were pretty much done. They weren't talking to each other.

Just look up any old live in a house. They live in a house. They live in a house. They're all of them. They had on and off nights, but it's just, uh... No, I mean, like Tom Hamilton always kept it together and Brad Whitford and all the, I mean, not all of them were, in certain bands, there's always the guys that keep it together. Because if they were all messed up, all of them, just couldn't.

night before you even open up with one song. It's over. When I think of you, I think of the guy from that movie, the young kid, that the writer for Rolling Stone. What's the name of that movie that that dude did Mark Marins and he's great in it? Oh, with the band. Are you famous? Yeah, almost famous. You think of who? Of you.

Like a young guy on a tour bus. Yeah. Stealing a shirt, man, taking stuff. I used to take stuff all the time. you know, if I could take something off, a set list. I'd always grab the set list, grab anything from the walls. And, you know, if somebody left something behind, it's like, they're not coming back for that. I took it.

You still got this stuff, Gene? Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's going to be worth a lot of money someday, James. You know what? It's worth it to me because, like, one of my favorite all-time songs is Seasons of Wither from Aerosmith. tremendous. It's a great song.

And they were doing a video. I think they were doing a video in some place, let's see, Mississippi, I think, or Louisiana. I can't really remember. But they were being filmed, and it was my birthday. And they played that song for me on my birthday, seasons of weather. And they hadn't played that song for a long time. And when bands don't play songs that they used to play. playing, they actually have to

re-listen to it. They have to listen to it again and again and put the cassette or CD or whatever it is and have to re-listen to it and remember how it goes. I've seen that. It happened a few times. I can't imagine.

Now you also worked in Van Halen with David LeBross? Sammy. Wow. How is that? Sammy's a great guy. I mean, he's one of those just straight-up guys That's just, you know, he's a great guy, but he's also, he was a great front guy for, I know everybody likes David Lee Roth, classic stuff. I like the records, but live, to me, Dave just talks the song.

You know how people talk a song? They don't really sing it. They just kind of skib-bo-oo-bo-do-bo-do-bo-bo-do-bo-bo-bo-bub. Just babble through it, all that kind of stuff. Do me a favor. Type that Van Hal on Live Oakland, 801. I don't want the people to see it. Okay.

I just want me to see if he remembers this. Gene, let me tell you something. In fact, my friends are going to give me shit. Timmy Holloway and Guy Tabasco are going to give me shit because they tell me that, oh, what album? I don't mention it. I don't talk about it.

Oh, women and children first. Oh. It's not one of my favorite albums, not because of the music, but because it came with a poster in it. of David Lee chained up in it. And once I saw that fucking poster, I nearly fucking smacked the shit out of myself. I'm like, I'm not listening to Van Halen anymore.

You mean the one where he's chained against the fence? Right. The third one, Lee. So I was pissed at Van Halen for years. Even though I saw them level fucking Black Sabbath. I was furious. I read that that photo almost broke up the band because that photo shoot with.

was in there. When I saw that, and my friends will say, you never talk about that fucking song on the podcast, Women and Children First. Listen to the album. I go, well, the album is great. I went south because of that fucking poster. I did not like that poster.

But what the fuck is going on? I don't know. Just keep saying error. Hold on. This performance here made me a Van Halen fan. After the poster. Oh. This was one of the first videos on MTV. Oh, now.

Now do you remember this? And I got to tell you, they are live in 81 in Oakland, and they are fucking phenomenal. Okay. This was when I was like, wait a second, I got to rethink my fucking Van Halen 8. Yeah, you got to go back. You got to go back. So this is when from here. Ron, this is the album with a...

Second album. No, this is the fourth or fifth. This is 81, but this song is on the album, not women and children first, but Mean Streets. This is Well, this is Meek Street. You're killing me. I know it. From this sense of part of town. And they're singing, oh, my baby's on the corner,

and she's looking so fine. one-on-one together and she'd blow my mind. Manly loves the man needs love to live. I'm the living proof right there. This Van Halen is tremendous. I forgot now. It's tremendous. See, this is...

Nobody remembers this. This is one of the first earliest videos of MTV, and I was like, you know what? I got to think of my advantage. So I like this song. I looked it up, and it's on the B-side of that. out. That's the funny thing about that. And after that I became a Van Halen fan, but like I told you the other day, I saw Dio in Philadelphia. At the spectrum. At the spectrum. And the opening

band was Sammy Hagar and Shaken Street. And in Philly, they're savages. And I had sixth row, and they were spitting on their fingers and flicking it at Sammy Hagar. So that was my last real experience of Sammy Hagar. So I'm watching this, and all of a sudden if somebody comes to me and says, Sammy Hagar is going to replace David Lee Rock. I'm like, there's not a prayer in hell. They almost spit out of them to death in Philadelphia. You know, how's he going to do it?

But you, what year was this when you hooked up with them? It was the 5150 tour. Oh, right off the bat. It's when they started. Right off the bat. You were right there. Yeah. Yeah.

And I, I hooked up with their manager and, uh, publicist and once you get your little foot in there and the door doesn't quite slam on you and you kind of kick it open a little bit more and a little bit more you either have to do two things annoy someone to death or just leave I annoy people to death so they got to give me a chance so anyway so speaking of annoying let me talk to you about something like so you really annoying one of the series I'm sitting here quiet minding my own business I don't even say I didn't even fart. Take another shot.

Oh, I'm good. I feel like we're not going to see each other for a couple of months. And you're just fucking getting it all in. It was getting too quiet, too good. Gene, Gene, we got to fuck it up a little bit. Ah. I'm going to get fucked up tonight. That's a thousand milligrams spray.

I saved that. for a special occasion. I hope my wife's got cold cuts tonight, you know what I'm saying? Even though you tell her not to get cold cuts. Oh my God. I fucking get the worst mongies in the world. I'm sorry.

Anyway, so Sammy Hagar, Van Halen, what are you laughing about? You got to come up with 20 Gs tomorrow. No, I don't. Look, you know. Wait till you're down there tomorrow. And they look at you and they sit, and they show you the bank accounts

and the internet. You know, that remote looks like a bar of soap, you know. You better. Oh, forget about it. I can't handle two people. I'm trying to know. You know what? I'm on your side. You're going to be fine.

Yeah, sure, right. Keep telling them that. He doesn't know. He started a corporation. He thinks he's Johnny bananas. They're going to go right in there. They already went in. They ran like fruit money.

Like all that fruit. But people don't know is all those umbrellas. Joe bananas. All those umbrellas, those Mexican places, they're all cartel money. That's where they drop and pick up. up the money. Nobody suspects those little Mexicans. You look at them, they look at them, they come like

from a third world nation. They're making two yards a day. You think you make any money selling coconuts in this country? They're in a dime in that fucking business. They sprinkle peanuts on it and some fucking sesame sauce. You're going to die. They're little transports for envelopes.

So what they do is his ex-sister-in-law sold his ID down on the Merck Park. Lee, jump in quick. I just love in his mind that it's a front for the cartel, but they're also filing taxes with the city of Los Angeles. Sure, because they're nice people.

These people, decent people, they're Catholics. Just because they sell drugs, what's I got to do with it? You know what I'm saying? So, you're probably the owner of all these umbrellas. You know, if you're someone who believes it was in karma, you're being kind of mean. I'm not being mean to you.

I'm just telling you that there's no way you end up with this type of bill from the city. I said I made $16 million. You did? I bet you did. There's a lot of fucking fruit. I bet you... That's a lot of that.

That just, that comes out too easy from you, Lee. That's a lot of fruit. That's a lot of nannas. I'm sessing me. How long did you work with them for on the 51-50 tour? Yeah, off and on.

But there was one really fun night. I was in a... I usually just had... some of the West Coast, you know, shows, San Diego, L.A., you know, Vegas. So I go to Vegas and I shoot the show. And during the middle of the show, I'm in the photo pit and Sammy Hagar leans down and he's trying to talk to me. And I don't wear earplugs and shows, so I can't hear. I want to hear the loud buzzing.

I want to hear. I don't want to hear muffled stuff. so I don't wear earplugs. So he leans down and he's trying to ask me something. I have no idea. This is during a slight guitar solo and something's going on. And he's trying to tell me something. And I just say, I don't know what, what.

And next thing I know, he's grabbing me by, like, okay, I'm shooting photos. He's leaning down and trying to do. grab the back of my belt along with two of his security people and he wanted me to go on stage apparently what was supposed to happen was he was trying to tell me there was a whole crap load of girls with their tops off tit city and he wanted pictures of it so it was like he was trying to get me to come up there he's like get up here what he was saying was hey I need you up here now and I'm like idiot and I'm like So I got up there and yep, Titty City.

That's my first 10 rows of, you know, tops off and everything else. And I'm just, first of all, I'm nervous because I'm on the stage. I've never been on a stage before that. So I'm like, and so I'm like, okay, there's a nice set. There's a nice set. And he's bringing me over and he goes, get that one, get that one, take that one. And then in the meantime, Eddie Van Halen was running back and forth, and he would, like, kick me in the ass with his foot, like, playing and just kind of give me a kick.

And then Michael Anthony saw me look one way, and he threw me a beer, and they were just having fun. It's like, you know, crack open a beer, have it right there. There's another set right there, grab that. And then I don't know what song it was, but it was just. and then a friend of mine that had gone with me to the show, I see his face, and he's just like freaking out. Like, you're up there.

Look at all these. I said, but look behind you. Look behind you. Man. So he was more having fun with me being up there than what was behind him. So do you have like a file folder full of these Titty City pictures? Well, needless to say, the band took him. I mean, I was working with them, but I'm pretty sure that the girl I was seeing at the time probably wouldn't dig that.

If I came and say, look at all these nice. Oh, no, you don't look at these. Are you retired now? Well, no. Okay. Would you have been on tour right now if it wasn't for this pandemic? If somebody wanted to. Yeah, you would have been out there with guns to somebody.

No, or anybody. I mean, I just did a photo shoot two weeks ago of a up-and-coming new band. That's great. Three-piece band. They're awesome. And I found a location that they're called, they're called, okay, they're going to kill me. They're called Desert of the Talking Shadows. And the singer plays guitar and sings.

He's got a Chris Cornell sound garden sound. And he plays a little bit like Slash and some other people, but they are a great band. And so they wanted some new photos. And I found this, I went back to the old school days of the 80s where it was a mental hospital that had been shut down for 30, 40, 50 years. And it was all gated up and everything else. and I scouted it out. Actually, me and my wife went around a bunch of times and found different holes on the fence that we could crawl under and see.

And I took the pictures and sent it and said, you guys want to take a shot of getting in this place? Yeah, let's go for it. So we did. And so. You know, I mean, photographers, I was a horrible. photographer. As a kid, I started in the 70s with a Kodak and shit like that. And my hands wouldn't be steady. But there's something about somebody shooting me and I look weird. Like there's two people who could shoot me that I look great. And that's Troy Conrad and Felicia Michaels. Every picture Felicia Michaels is taken to me. I could really dig him. A couple of years ago, a guy called

call me that I knew for years and goes I want to run something but I need a character face do you mind and he sent them to me and I'm like man I need plastic fucking surgery like there's some photographers that just I look at the pictures and I go something's not there

but then you have Troy Conrad and Felicia Michael did you know them though yes did you do are you friends and bond and did you okay that helps because if someone that I don't know wants me to do something I gotta know something about them

I gotta look them up I gotta talk to them I gotta like get to know them and get their vibe usually the people yeah because you know if I if I know you and uh

like I was like I was telling you before um my very first Guns and Roses photo shoot I knew that they were big drinkers and everybody had cigarettes I spent 160 bucks on booze and and cartons and cartons of cigarettes everybody got here you want a

carton you want a carton you want a carton you want a carton here so I I did a little homework and and everybody went home hungover and happy or whatever that's fucking crazy man but if you know somebody and you're comfortable with them then you'll do something I mean I've shot some photographs of some people and they were horrible we just didn't get on They didn't want to be there. A lot of people, I bet you want photos taken in five minutes or less. Let me ask you this.

Now, when you get sent out by the record label, you go to these different people, are there times you've ever showed up and you've gone to shoot them and you don't really like the person? And you still got to work that night. Has that ever happened? You go to shoot a band.

You kind of like them, you know, a little, something about them. Maybe I don't like their music, but I like them. It really helps if you like their music because you get into it. But yeah, I've gone to... Have you gone to a place and somebody's just like fucking, like this guy's a scumbag, liberal? Yeah, there's been a couple times that that's happened.

Big stars? They thought they were. They thought they were bigger than their brink. But, you know, it's... How long were you in the game for? Like, because you even worked at Roger Waters. I mean, you're with everybody. No, actually, I didn't work for Roger Waters.

I... See, a lot of times people get hired to do jobs. Then there's other times where the photographer wants to go shoot an artist, a photograph a show for their catalog. You know, I need some new pictures of... this band or I don't have any of this and the publicist will say okay you know here's your photo pass and we'll you know you're taking care of I went to go see Roger Waters play and photograph his show when he was on his first solo tour so yeah yeah 80 I think it was at the

LA forum and I think there was only two of us, or three of us maybe, in the photo pit in the front area. And you're given three songs to do someone somewhere. When I came along, I came along just when this three song rule happened. But as a rule, you get three songs, shoot the artist, and then get out. Well, I was at this Roger Waters show. And the song, was one of the songs was so long, and I don't remember which one it was, that the security didn't know that I was supposed to leave, and I didn't know if this was a new song or still part of the second or third song. So I stayed and stayed, and next thing I know, I'm in there

by myself, and I'm still shooting and shooting. During one of his songs, he looks down at me, stops the show, stops everything, and yells at me to get my ass out of the photo pit. What are you doing here? Who are you? What are you doing? Get out. I'm not going to play nothing.

Get out. I'm like, okay. I'm fine. I was just doing my stuff. You were hired to be that. No, no. I just wanted to do it on my own. So, no.

No, if I was hired, You're a fucking hustler. Yeah, that's what photographers did. They called up, said I would like to come to this show and, you know, get some, you know, stuff. So, like, obviously paparazzi has, like, a sort of a negative connotation, but as, like, an independent photographer, is that how you would kind of do your business? Like, you would take these pictures and try to sell them to magazines? Exactly, exactly. Like, for instance, let's say, let's say, let's say.

say I don't have any Ted Nugent photos or needed some new ones. He comes through town or Rush or any band comes through town and I call up and say, you know, to the publicist or whoever I have to talk to, hey, can I, can I get into the show? And they'll say, well, you know, we're over our limit, but maybe you'd want to go to a different city like Long Beach, if they did Long Beach Arena, or a lot of times I went to San Diego because nobody would drive down to San Diego, and I would be like the only one in the, in the pit area. How many photographers usually go in that pit area?

There's been times. I could probably estimate 15 when there was an Iron Maiden show in the early days, the early 80s. I mean, there was about 15 of us in there. scrambling for for the shots and don't the bands get pissed what do you mean so there's a special area

for photographers and you come in there and you just take pictures of me and you leave and you go home and then I tour I never see you again and you have my pictures and sell them

I don't get this well the magazines need oh okay okay no that's what I'm saying to you So then you have the press pass. Yeah, that's what it is. When you went to see Roger Waters, I had a press pass, and so someone authorized it,

but the problem was nobody kicked me out, and I didn't know exactly what point to leave, so I just stayed in there, and I'm not going to, hey, I have a chance to keep staying. I'm not going to leave until someone tells me to leave. And I didn't know he was going to stop the show and kick me out. usually a security guard would just do one of these things or flashes flashlight in your face or something like that get your attention but never had an artist stop a show and tell me leave and make sure I'm leaving the building I'm not going to until you're out of my sight I'm not going to play so that was a kind of a dick move but whatever. Not to spend this around and take it back a little bit you went on the road with arrow.

But before you were on the road with aerosmith, that's when you encountered guns and roses, correct? Well, I actually worked with both those bands almost at the same time because I think, okay, I think Appetite came out in 87 and so did permanent vacation. I'm pretty sure that those, and they're both on Geffen records, and they're both coming out with pretty, pretty solid records, well, appetite, huge record. And for Aerosmith, that permit vacation was their comeback record. I mean, it started opening the doors for everything they did since then again. So what had happened was I was working with,

with both those bands in the same summer. So I would go from shooting a video to a photo shoot to some touring stuff. And then the best thing happened was Huggins and Roses opened up for Aerosmith on the last leg of the tour, which was the last month and a half for two months of their tour. So to see those two play together was awesome. I mean... And Gepton's company paid for your hotel, travel?

Actually, they paid for what they used. So let's say I went on my own, then they would just buy whatever they wanted from me. If they sent me to New York or sent me to, someplace, then, you know, I would get what they wanted to have and needed with their photos, but they'd pay for everything, but I still owned it. So if they sent me, her name is Bryn Brydenthal, she was the head of publicity. So she would hire me and say, we need you to go here and shoot, you know, Paradise City video,

some stills from there. But by that time, I knew the band anyway, so it was like fun to go, get paid to go see some friends play. And so, and then also Aerosmith was on the bill too, so I'd kind of piggyback. So it was really weird because one week I would go out and shoot Aerosmith. And then the next week, or two weeks later, I'd go back out and shoot guns and roses. But they were all still in the same bill. So I'd still get. get more pictures. You told me once that Slash was very, very influential on you. Like, he was one of the three people that were very, very good to you. Oh, he still is.

Oh, he's, he's, he's one of my dearest friends of, you know, and that you mentioned that movie almost famous. And there's a part where it says, don't make friends with the bands. You know, don't, don't get close to it. Don't make friends with a band. They'll chew you up and disregard you and all that stuff. Well, that has happened. But most of the time, you know, artists, they call me because they want something.

And for me, too, I call them when I want something. But in rare cases, people just call to check in. There are three major people in my life that are huge, slash Lita Ford and Ronnie James Dio. I mean, I'm so sad we lost him years ago, gosh, 10 years ago. But he was, I mean, he was my start. I never, I might not even be here standing or sitting here talking to you.

Because someone has to give you a start. You don't know when or where or who, but he was the one, and I couldn't invest. You're out there, man. You had a second chance of life. Yeah. When are you going to write your book? I know you told me you're working on the website. I mean, Gene, this is a story that we could do 10 of these hours, you know, from Slash to, you know, Aero Smith.

I mean, the other day when we were talking, I told you my love for Aero Smith and the albums I loved. Your head almost blew up. I mean, how old are you? I'm 57. 58. Yeah, so we both grew up on the same fucking music. And then one day you had the, you had a dream life, you know. And you're still ticking.

You still look good, you're handsome. You're still taking pictures. What kind of camera do you take your pictures on? I've got a Nikon. No, no, I'm sorry. I used to have Nikon. I was a Nikon guy forever, but I have a Canon. I use Canon gear.

I've got a, it's a 7D, Canon 7D and a couple lenses. What kind of lenses are your favorite? I'm a photography guy, but people that are photographers are listening to the podcast. It's a, it's a, a zoom lens, 70, actually it's a 24 to 70, zoom lens 2.8. That's my, that's my favorite one, because it can. can cover just about whatever I need. I have a couple of longer lenses, a 200 lens. If I have to be back, like if I'm in the crowd, if I'm in the crowd, and I want to get,

you know, a shot from inside the arena or something like that and want to get a nice long shot, I'll use my 200. but the one that that's strapped on to the camera right now is the 24 to 70 and I could pick it up and it's good to go it's ready to go at all times and and I used it the other day and it was awesome does it hurt your feelings a little bit that it's digital I hate digital I'm like now like you feel I miss film I miss film the I'm glad that I'm glad that I started when I did because that was you either developed your own film

or you shot it and dropped it off at your favorite lab and you just couldn't wait for the next day. I mean, there was times I'd stay up all night until the next day when I could go pick up my stuff and then look at it, everything else. It was that anticipation of what you're going to get. I mean... It's like, leave a mom on it.

I knew it, Eugene. As soon as you said it, I was like on. He was too quiet for you, Lee. Too quiet. He was reeling you in. Well, you need any help with the cameras. He's done because I'm going to need some work pretty soon. You'll be taking pictures in the county jail.

Well, you've been saying for months. There's no debtor's prison now. Because then you're going to go down there and they're going to realize you're the fake because you don't know the money. I'm the fake Lee Syatt. They've got to call me. I don't know nothing. I'm going to hang up.

Oh, this is L.A. County Jail. except collect call from Lisa I'm at. I'm at the county jail. Pick up. No, I don't accept the call. Oh, I've gotten a few of those calls. People are like, uh-uh, you don't know me, I don't know you. Gene Gene, what advice can you give a young photographer right now?

That's at home. I mean, right now there's nothing to take a picture of, unless you want to take a picture, homeless people. People get hit in there with sticks. People wiping their ass. The other day, I went down. Remember the night I left here the other night? We were here one night.

And I swear to God, I was at that light by the fire station. For some reason, that light is always green. And it was red because the fire truck was back and the light was flashing. Okay. And there was a dude taking a shit by the tree. I looked at the hole. I didn't see the shit coming out of his ass and nothing. But what I did see was him straight.

up, take his asshole, and wipe it up against the tree. With his pants down, like he was packing half. This is a fascinating. And I haven't had dinner yet. And people ask me why I'm leaving. Because I saw a guy take a shit. I forgot to tell you that, Lee, right there. He wiped you on the tree?

Like a bear. Listen to me. I don't mind if you take a shit in that park in a little league. I'm not going to get mad at you. I've been there. I've been there. Sometimes you've got to go. Yeah.

And you've got a fucking dump. But the fact that he took the shit on Tunga across the street from the fire department behind the fence. And listen, if the fire truck didn't come, nobody would see him. I'm not saying he had a bad spot. But he didn't think it through. I would have gone deep. Sometimes you don't think it all of them. way through.

You have high expectations from a homeless dude. You have a lot. You have no idea what it is to be sitting there. Finally,

who, that was tough. I'm going to take a shit right here. And all of a sudden, as you blowing that first fucking nut out, all of a sudden

the fire truck the sides to come down the block with its sirens on. Then they stopped the sirens. And then they beeped up. And they have to back it in.

Right. You were seeing them do it. Well, as they back it in, the lights were flashing. His homie, he straightens up. He's fucking guilty, right? He don't even know what to do with his hands. He's got like a T-shirt, but it falls out of his hand. So he just walks backwards, and he puts his ass against the tree.

Which jingles the little thing. I saw him pull up his back. So walking to the back there, and I don't know what happened to him. Yeah, what did he beep at him? I didn't even beep at him. I just drove straight because I didn't want him chasing the car and sitting on my car and then, you know, I don't play that shit. If you don't take a shit, take a shit in the park like a normal human being.

Don't think of shit across the street in the fire department. That's all I'm trying to say. I wasn't thinking it all the way through, man, so. Let me tell you something. Do you even answer for your advice for the whole? Yeah, give me some advice. There you go. Lee's on it.

He's lying. That's when I wish I would have had to. fucking camera. See, that's when I make money. You have a camera. If I see a guy taking this shit, I would never even know how to fucking do this, because you got to press it and get a light. I don't

do that. I ain't quick like jeep. I'm a machine. I see a guy taking a shit. I take that picture. I will fucking send it to Garcetti and then frame it and put in the museum. Like, and fuck with people. Like, what do you see in that picture? I see a poor

man looking for hope. I see a fucking guy wiping his ass. up against a tree, right? There's no hope when you're wiping your ass where you're gonna fucking send it to all your friends at six in the morning. Gene, I can't tell you how many pictures of shit

I've gotten from this man. He never texts. He yells at the people who text. But at 7 in the morning, about eight times a year, I get a picture of the biggest nastiest shit. Oh, you got to see the ones lately. We've blown on top of them. Why is there blood on top?

What is now? Who no. It's a joke, jean, relax. The blood? No, I was just. Thinking the bloody stools. That was the name of a band once.

Oh, Jesus Christ. So, gee, what's the advice for you. Well, don't try to make your money at it because everybody's giving stuff away. If you go on Facebook, you go on all these social things, if you're starting out, you better have a niche or you better have a connection of some sort. because I'm glad I'm not starting out because I had the drive, the hunger. You've got to have it in you. You've got to have some skills.

But right now with the digital stuff, all you got to do is have a credit card, buy your equipment, and buy these little discs that you put in there. And it's not like the old days where you had to buy film. I spent thousands and thousands of dollars on film. Film.

You had to buy it, then you had to have it developed, and you had to make them all count, or as much as you had to make that film count somehow. One great picture is all I needed to do to make everything count. But nowadays, people look down. You see the, see them, no, I'll redo it again, redo it again, and all this stuff. The advice I give it, anybody, is just, you know,

Have a passion for it. Don't expect to make your rent money off of it. Don't expect to pay your car off on it. Just do it because... You fucking love it. I still love it. I take pictures of just weird things. The other day...

Well, no, not the other day. It was a couple years ago. But you don't do weddings. Huh? You don't do weddings. I have, but they had to be special. One was on Halloween night. It was a Halloween night wedding,

and everybody had to be dressed up. Everybody had to be dressed up in something. So, I mean, I've done one in Hawaii. It just has to be something that's very fun and special, not your, you know, traditional stuff. You know, I've done one of a biker, you know, a biker club, you know, type of wedding. And it was fun.

So that kind of stuff, yeah. But, no, I've always loved music. I think I was telling you before that in the 70s I would open up an album and I would study the photo who took it. Where did they take it? Who's involved with everything? You know?

The Aerosmith Live Bootleg full of photos. How many times did you open your record and just look at everything and just study it all? You know, for years. I had been high on balls and just... Gene, for years, I pitched. I wanted a pitch.

picture show where you grabbed an album and broke it down but everybody said it wouldn't work because you got to pay for rights and shit like that to play people's music. I wanted to show the concept of what an album

was. You know, I'll never forget being in the longest yard and they sent me a DVD and when I opened it up, it was just a DVD. There was no folder. there was no pictures no booklet no booklet

there was no history I remember opening up albums and seeing we want to thank the Hilton's you know they even thank the hotel chain they stayed at you know like you know for me it was part of you woke up on a Saturday you went to the record store

some albums you bought as a record the cover just the cover didn't care what it was it was just the cover If the cover was cool, you know, House of the Holy, great cover. The kids walking, whatever the fuck they're doing. You know, there's so many album covers of us growing up that you bought the album. You know, we used to have good album covers. Maybe the outlaws, Molly Hatchet.

Yeah. Molly Hatchet, always, you look at their album covers. If anybody is interested in looking at weird album covers, they have like a Viking or some shit. They have like something that was a... But they also had kick-out. music inside. If you listen to it one time after you put it on and you study it, you're in. They stole that from society. They stole that on Saturdays. Your mom used to get your head done. And your dad played cards. He went to his buddy's house at one and played cards.

So you knew on Saturday you had the house from 1 15. To about 3.30. Four, if mom went shopping. So you would time it just right. You, me, Steve Simone, like three jerk-offs, would walk from here to, I don't know, Ventura and fucking Barham. We would walk like five miles to a record stop to buy an owl.

And on the way back, we stopped at Burger King. We knew a chick from high school that worked at Burger King, so she'd give us extra chicken sandwiches. And then on the way down the hill, you went to your drug dealer's house, and you bought a nickel bag. If he was a good drug dealer, he gave you eight joints, $5. And you took the thing home. You put the album on, and while you played the album,

you opened the album up, and you cleaned the pot in the middle of the album, and the seeds would fall down to the bottom. And you could skim away the seeds. In the 80s, we had seeds in our weed until the Mexicans discovered Sinsomilla. Narcos, Season 2, Mexico, get your shit together. They got the host of history lesson there. But those seeds, and then while we'd smoke, we would look at the album cover, the sleeves. The band took time.

They just didn't create music. While they would create music, they would hire a guy like you to throw ideas. Adam and they put work just as much work as they did into the music into the album. I took my case of albums away. But, you know, this album cover, simple and to the point. Yep. Okay, album covers were ACDC, back in black almost didn't get released because it was a black cover. They thought it wouldn't sell.

But they had the music. People had to know what Brian Johnson had to bring because that was his first shot. But what you were talking about, going through the whole procedure. You know what you just did? You just broke it down on how to buy and listen to a record.

That was it. You had a procedure. You went, you knew somebody. I went to a record store called Liquorish Pizza, and I had friends that worked there. and, you know, they'd say, you know, here you go. You know, this is, check this out. This is a, you know, this is really good because they would play it.

I got to listen to stuff. Like, if I asked for it, it's like, hey, can you play me this record? Or if somebody turned me on to something, I didn't hear it before. It's like, man, they'd be playing Red Fox, Red Fox's stuff to, you know, Ted Nugent to, you know, whatever. But you got to listen to it. I hung out more at record stores than any place else because I got to listen to it and go, okay,

I like this enough that I want to buy it and, you know, take it home, open it up, get my right sitting place, getting my whole thing. It was a whole procedure. Okay, I got a cold beer. I got one ready. It was a whole thing.

But then you had one more album to put in your wreck. So when people came over, he wrote a big shot. Yeah. You pick, pick your fucking out. Yep. Pick your album, Lee. What are they going to tell you tomorrow? Lee, what do you think?

I'll tell you Joey Diaz's the meaning. Gene Kirkland, thank you very much for taking the time. Yeah, man. And coming on. For people don't know, Lee got the wrong bill sent to him. But as you guys know of Lee, you know, he got thrown out on the South Point, the nicest guy in the world. Okay, Lee's got the kiss of death on him for a couple years.

So if anybody knows this, this probably is going to be a problem because Lamarck Park is full of Lee Syatt. I went down. Last time I went to Langus, I parked by Lamarck Park, and the guy asked me, hey, get him a loose ID. And I asked him what the name he had this, and Lee Syatt. That's when I made him aware. So that's when you stole my ID and I got $15 million worth of fruit.

Why would I have to do you a fucking? I'm telling you, you're the head of a cartel that 15 million sounds about right. They sent you a bill and said you made 15 million. 16, yeah. 16 million. I owe 48 grand in taxes. Oh, yeah, you're done. They got you. You're done.

It's all over. When you go to mall, they might even handcuff you. My mom won't let me go. She says, I'll say something wrong. Yeah, no, I know you will. Leave me your watch and your wallet. I'll hold it for you. You'll see.

see it back in about three years. Oh my God. Listen, Gene, the thing about you is we could be here until 5 in the fucking morning. We didn't bring it up the keel or blow. So we'll have to get you the next time. Jesus. Anytime you want me here, man. I got stories.

They just have to come out. Once I start yakking, that's it. It's a fucking beautiful thing. You've had a great career. From the Ozzy stories to the Guns and Roses, I can't imagine being a fan of Aerosmiths and having to shoot him, but I'd have to do the same creepy shit.

What's up with you, Zambo? You're all right. So how many milligrams in that spray? That doesn't really matter. It's actually a pretty good, not bad, actually, to be very honest with you. Come here, take a couple more. Fine, right. You need a couple. I'm not going to let you spray.

It's going to go in my eye for sure. No, not. Just shoot one in your eye one time. Just see what happens. Let me ask you something real quick, my friend. I hear you're doing something soon, a pretty big. project. Is it something I should know about? A movie?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's supposed to come out next March. Yeah. I'm doing one more day on it. And hopefully that's it. You want to move it to me with a thing. You got fucking walking out. What's the problem? I got to fucking spray it again with the hosium.

You got me walking around like you gave it to Steve Simone. Steve Simone says you gave it to him and shit. You gave him the clap. I don't know how true that is, but it doesn't matter anyway. Yeah, I'm shooting the Soprano movie. It's supposed to get released. I think March 12th next year.

They added scenes. That's all I know. I'm excited. I can't wait. You're going to be awesome. I'm excited. Did you watch the series? You know what?

I didn't get into it. I've always caught things on the very end of the tail end of stuff. When people have already gotten into stuff, I have, you know, thanks to my wife, she goes, you got to watch this stuff. And some of the best nights we've ever had was watching marathon times in a row going for it. And when I got rumored that they were going to do a movie, I just said, I bet he's going to be something to do with it. And then sure enough, I mean, I just had that instinct that thought, oh, my God, you're going to be. because I've watched you in the longest yard about 10, 15 times.

How crazy. Now, if I'm not, I'll just give you a little connection that you, now you have a little connection to GNR right now because were you guys called the meme machine? Yes. Axel Rose on the illusion tour, I've got lots of photos. He has the Jersey Mean Machine.

Yes. So it's like you are So you now have that little You know everybody's Because this movie came out in 2005 Yeah But the original movie was Seventy-73

74 74 73 So the pictures I have Where he wears the black jersey Is in 91 92 So he had it made up for him

And on the back It says beam machine You know, about a month ago, that movie came on, the original, about 10 o'clock. How can you not watch it? My wife just went to bed. I ran in the back. I did about 10 bong hits. And when I came back, he was driving to Leonard Skinner.

Oh. That's one of my favorite parts. That is just a brilliant scene. Then they come into the bar and he tells them, would you bring this midget cop with you? And all cops always laugh. And it's like they're killing. It's just, and it just took me back to 1974, cinema theater, Union City, New Jersey, packed house on a Saturday afternoon, 200 kids on seats yelling, meme machine, me machine, me and you left there going, like, I just left there and I was cheering for fucking criminals. What is wrong with me?

I'm a fucking Catholic. I got to get my shit together. What the fuck? You ended up being a mean machine. Yes, and Lee might too. You know what I? 16 million on the county. Ooh, wait to the IRS.

Jumison, I eat a mom on it. If I was you, I had dumped that fucking bank account. Take all the 20s out that you can. Oh, Jesus. Because if the county's got that, the IRS has that. So they're about to file. They'll close your bank account. I don't have to take my bank account.

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Just like my ID. Please. He's already... Now your ID's on the way to fucking Saudi Arabia. Arabia. They had it over that that fight fucking tent. A bunch of fucking swamis from salami using your name. I'm telling you, my

name is Lee Sayyat, whatever. I can't even do the fucking accent. Joey, patreon.com slash joey dyes. Today I did a video, buying weed with Uncle Joey. You see what I get? The whole thing. I'm also going to do a bedtime story one night this week. I just

can find my daughter's book. I'm going to read people a lullaby of sleep. Should. I count them down. come to relax and then read the book and then I'll blow smoke in their fucking ear Tell them all the worst fears are coming true

Oh yeah please like if it's you I got this or a bed this story for you tonight This one's about a guy who they stole his identity And you have no fucking idea what happened Okay anyway I'll see you guys Monday tip top magoo I want to thank Gene Kirkland

Don't forget to go to jeancurclan.com The website is under construction This guy he's named the photographer of the fucking rock stars. I wouldn't have him come in here if he wasn't the fucking real deal. And watch that video. You're going to love it. Stay black, cock suckers. Have a great weekend. Kick this, me, O'Lee.