The Comedy Cellar: Live from the Table - America's Youngest Nationally Syndicated Columnist Wants to be Like Ben Shapiro When He Grows Up

Episode Date: August 29, 2025

Noam Dworman and Periel Aschenbrand are joined by Gregory Lyakhov, America's the youngest nationally syndicated columnist. He serves as a columnist for Newsmax, The Gateway Pundit, and Townhall Media,... regularly contributing to major outlets such as The Wall Street Journal, The New York Post, and The Hill. His work has appeared in dozens of other publications and has been cited by top institutions, including the White House. He shares his views on the war in Israel, anti Semitism and why he wants to be like Ben Shapiro when he grows up.  Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/CE... and use code CELLAR and get $50 in lineups when you play your first $5 lineup!

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Starting point is 00:01:31 It's good to be right. Welcome to Live from the Table, the official podcast for the world famous comedy seller. I am here with Noam Dorman, the owner. It'll be over soon. Go ahead. You know what? Go ahead. People really don't like it when you interrupt me.
Starting point is 00:01:47 We keep getting messages about that and you don't listen. I am here with the owner of the. ever-expanding world-famous comedy seller, Nome Dwarman. I am the producer of the show. My name is Periel. And we have a very special guest today. Gregory Lyakov. Close Lykov.
Starting point is 00:02:11 Close. Gregory Lykoff is the youngest nationally syndicated columnist in the United States. It's impressive. He serves as a columnist for Newsmax, the Gateway Pundit, and Town Hall Media, regularly contributing to major outlets such as the Wall Street Journal, the New York Post, and the Hill.
Starting point is 00:02:31 His work has appeared in dozens of other publications and has been cited by... Dozens? That's what it says. At least 24. Go ahead. Yeah. That's what it says.
Starting point is 00:02:39 That sounds right. Of other publications and has been cited by top institutions, including the White House. Yes. Is the White House considered a top institution? In my books, the White House is, but I have been cited by Notre Dame and a few of other universities for my work in the Supreme Court cases that are relevant to school
Starting point is 00:03:00 choice, which is an area I tend to focus on. And you're how old? I am 17. 17. And you have homeopathic idiopathy. No. Idiopathic. No.
Starting point is 00:03:14 It's a sleeping disorder, yeah. Idiopathic hyposomnia. Did you want me to spell that for you? That's not even the main issue. So it means you sleep, once you wake, you wake, up, you have trouble? Yeah, I just sleep for old day. I could sleep. I could wake up at 12 and continue sleeping. It's amazing.
Starting point is 00:03:30 I mean, well. What's the most hours you could, I'm very tired. This conversation came up because I only slept four hours and 30 minutes last night. How long can you sleep consecutively? Probably 18 hours. That's probably like a usual sleep. I could do it without having any
Starting point is 00:03:48 side effects after. Wow. Do you have to take medication for this? Yeah. I just started actually my medication, but this is not even my main health issue. I also have ADHD and OCD, which went undiagnosed for 16 years of my life. So I was a failing student. I couldn't read. I couldn't write. And only last year did I finally get diagnosed. And my entire life changed. I started writing, reading. And actually, the first book I read was by an author named Alan Dershowitz. I'm sure you're familiar, the lawyer. The Alan Dershowitz? Let's just stop here. So you couldn't, when you say
Starting point is 00:04:17 you couldn't read, obviously you could read. I couldn't read more than a sentence. So, but because you couldn't have the, you didn't have the attention span to read. You know how to read, but you couldn't. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So you couldn't, you couldn't, and you started taking medication? Uh, yeah, medication therapy and, you know, just normal treatment, like planners, everything like that for 80s. But why were you undiagnosed for so long?
Starting point is 00:04:39 Well, nobody took to death out there. A few reasons. No, for a few reasons. Well, number one, I don't have, um, hyperactive attention deficit disorder. So it's very, ADD, not ADHD. Yeah. And it's hidden because really when you're at home and you don't have a hyperactive ADHD, it's very hard for your parents to tell because they're not always with you when you're in school.
Starting point is 00:05:01 They thought you were just dumb. Yeah, exactly, exactly. No, they couldn't have possibly thought that. Well, well, they didn't think I was dumb, but I was definitely the dumbest out of the bunch. But, you know, my school is who I really blame, you know, for getting me undiagnosed. I mean, not getting me diagnosed earlier because, you know, my teachers were the ones who were with me every day. My teachers were the ones who dealt with me on a daily basis, and they still didn't catch anything. And it's not because my school is bad.
Starting point is 00:05:28 I think my school is wonderful. It's just public schools in general don't have a good system of diagnosing learning disorders. No, but I was failing. I was probably in between somewhere between a normal and special education. You're not supposed to say sped? That's what my kids call it. And that's like a pejorative slang, I guess. I'm pretty sure you're getting canceled for that.
Starting point is 00:05:51 I don't know. I'm pretty sure if he's not canceled by now. That's not going to do it. How about math? Were you good at math? Not particularly. It wasn't like my worst subject. My worst subject by far was like English and reading, but math, I would say like I was a C student in math.
Starting point is 00:06:06 How did you feel? Did you always know that you were like particularly bright, but something was just not? I don't believe I'm particularly bright. I don't believe in the like saying particularly bright because I think what I accomplished is what anyone can do if they just have a passion for what I do, which is like politics, writing, that's my passion. And that's what I spent my entire life doing. So, uh, but, but really at a certain point, you have to understand that, uh, when I haven't been diagnosed for so long, it's kind of my norm. That's how I felt. So I thought it was normal for every kid to feel that way.
Starting point is 00:06:41 And so I, I didn't see any issues with that. I, I just went along. So you spent your whole life, like in a cloud. You can't read. You can't, you know, folks. And then you get some medication, like Ritalin or something. And then the world opens up to you. And your first book is, what, the case for Israel by Alan Dorshwurst or something like that? Yes. That's amazing. This is what I've been missing.
Starting point is 00:07:03 Actually, that's a funny story. Because my first book was originally supposed to be some Romeo and Juliet. I opened that book. Not actually Romeo and Juliet. No, the actual book. Oh, the actual book. Yeah. And I opened that book.
Starting point is 00:07:15 I was on vacation. And as soon as they opened it, I saw words that. I knew I could never pronounce in my life. So I closed it, picked something else out of the bag, and I guess my sister was reading the case for his own and my dad, and that's the first book. That's how it all started. Now, Alan Dershowitz, though, was my mentor.
Starting point is 00:07:30 He is one of the, again, few people that took interest in me in my writing and my advocacy before everyone else did. So I deeply value his presence, you know. So we should say, Alan Dershwitz has been a friend of this show for a long time, and his son died recently. Yes, it's very sad. Who I had a relationship with actually his son. independent of Alan, not close friends or anything, but he was, you know, I liked him very much
Starting point is 00:07:54 and I was very saddened and very saddened by, by this story. He was about my age, he was in early 60s. Yeah, 60, I think. And he died of a heart attack, is that right? It was a stroke. Oh, stroke. He had, he had some neurological issues as a child. I don't know if that's related. Yeah, he had like some health issues. I'm pretty sure it was an ongoing thing. And when it happened, obviously we're still a surprise because this show kind of hits out of nowhere, so it's very sad. So, um, so, you know, we, we, I don't know what, I never know what you're supposed to say in these situations. It doesn't sound trite. I hate when people say, you know, uh, false in prayers or stuff like that, but just our, our heart goes out to, to Alan and, um, uh, I was very fond of Elon and,
Starting point is 00:08:40 uh, you know, you're too young, but as a, as a parent, uh, one cannot imagine the pain of losing a child. So, you know, all right, so having said that, now you can bash Dershowitz. So go ahead. You liked his book, the case for Israel? I not only liked it, it changed my life. I mean, after reading that book,
Starting point is 00:09:00 I set on a path to advocate for, you know, the victim and the person who doesn't get representation. And Dershowitz himself, he built his entire persona off advocating for the person who no one else wants to advocate for, or whether it's like OJ. Yeah. Jeffrey Epstein, even, Harvey Weinstein. And he advocates for these people, not because he necessarily thinks they're good people.
Starting point is 00:09:23 I know he... Don't conflate Israel with O.J. and Jeffrey Epstein. Of course, of course. No. And if you read the files, the... Not the files. The Glane Maxwell interview, she actually says that she has no knowledge of Jeffrey Epstein ever, colluding with any intelligence agency, including Mossad. So just to clear that out of the way.
Starting point is 00:09:42 Yeah, thank you. Now that she said it, I guess it's... But, no, I read the case Fisville, too. It's a quite old book right, because my father... 2004, I believe. No, I think it was even earlier than that. Really? Maybe.
Starting point is 00:09:53 I know it referenced... I wish it was some technology that I carried around in my pocket. I'll tell you right now. And my father, it had to be 2004, because he sold 2003. He died the end of 2002. So my father was so impressed by this book. He bought many, many copies. and he gave them out.
Starting point is 00:10:16 And has it stood the test of time? Definitely. I mean, it's obviously not, you know, you can't analyze the current situation in Israel with it, but it gives you a very good background. It's what I would recommend to anyone who wants to get, you know, more knowledge into the conflict in Gaza. That's the first book I would recommend because it gives you a history. And it's a very easy book to read.
Starting point is 00:10:36 It's set up in a case as if it's a document. So it's very easy to read. There's no words that I wouldn't understand as a fifth grader or, anyone else who didn't understand as anyone else. So it's a wonderful book. And I still have my first copy. It lays on my desk. And it's my price possession because that's the book that really started everything for me.
Starting point is 00:10:56 And he signed a few? He did not. He signed me, he signed other books for me. He signed the price of principal. I'm not sure if you're familiar with that. It's a wonderful book, too. He had another book called Chutzpah. Yeah, that's my dad's favorite book from him.
Starting point is 00:11:08 Yeah, my father liked that book. Anyway, so let's stop with this. So, okay. So, we have some talking points. from you, the war in Gaza and the broader conflict in Israel, including the claims of genocide and the rise of anti-Semitism in the United States. What is your take on that? Yeah, so, as you can tell from my hostage bin, I think, my take in the entire war in Gaza is that it's a, it's a tragic situation on both sides. I think that it's a tragic situation for Israelis and for Palestinians,
Starting point is 00:11:42 But definitely the Israelis are not the oppressor here. They are the victim in this case. And the only oppressor we have here is Hamas. And I think that's something we have to understand because first it was coming from the left, but now I even see it on the far right with people like Tucker Carlson, Matt Gates, who are even Marjorie Taylor Green,
Starting point is 00:12:03 who are accusing Israel of committing genocide in this war that they have, which is completely, you know, it's a false claim when the civilian to combatant ratio is approximately one to one, which is the lowest civilian to command ratio in any other urban warfare. Let me, I mean, anybody who listens to this show
Starting point is 00:12:20 knows I'm quite pro-Israel. But let me just ask some questions about some of these things that I actually have, you know, sincere questions about. They say that ratio is one-to-one, right? Do they really know what the ratio is? No, because it's Hamas' numbers,
Starting point is 00:12:41 not Israel's. Right. Hamas's number is not one-to-one. Hamas doesn't even identify combatants. Israel is inferring or reporting one-to-one. Yes. And I'm quite uncomfortable with standing on that claim, because I'm afraid it may not turn out to be true. And if it doesn't turn out to be true, that will be, it could be because of Israel's lack of care, but it will also be in great part because of Hamas's strategy intended to make it impossible to get at legitimate targets without killing many, many civilians. So how confident do you that it's one-to-one? So I am confident in this one-to-one ratio and I'll tell you, I'll give you a few reasons why. Number one, there's nothing to refute it. There's no other count other than by the IDF to count combatants
Starting point is 00:13:36 separate from civilians. And that's a big big factor. But how would they possibly know? How would they possibly know? Well, if you're a, if you're a combatant, then you're most likely targeted by Hamas. There's other, there's other factors you would know. If you're, if you're a part of Hamas, you would know that you're a part of Hamas. Therefore, Israel, with its intelligence force, should know. But that's a good question. And the issue is, is that most Palestinians in some way are associated with Hamas. Still, we see in June, 2024, there was a poll that was out that showed 57% of people in Gaza still supported Hamas as the governor. But support is not the thing is affiliated. I know, of course, of course. But my point here is that there's clear support
Starting point is 00:14:15 within Gaza for Hamas. Therefore, there has to be a big group of people that are affiliated with Hamas in any way. When you are bringing weapons into your house and holding them for Hamas, that counts as becoming a part of Hamas. That doesn't count as being a civilian. You can't claim if you're a civilian if you're holding weapons. That's a big deal. And I find it hard to believe that people are so oblivious to the fact that there's weapons in their house that Hamas is under their house, anything like that. How would you characterize civilians who, uh, whose homes are being used to store weapons and they do so because they're afraid that it's an offer they can't refuse.
Starting point is 00:14:55 They're afraid if they, if they were to try to resist the storage of these weapons, that they'd be killed or targeted by Hamas themselves. That is, that is, would you count them as combatants? That is a, that is a good point. And that's where the differentiation between, uh, civilians, to combatants is very difficult to make because I don't think anyone could answer that question because, you know, technically to Israel, that is still the enemy, that is still the target because they are a threat to the IDF. And the IDF's number one mission is to protect itself, not to protect
Starting point is 00:15:25 Gazans first, but to first protect itself because it's the IDF, it's the Israel Defense Force, not the Gaza Defense Force. So to that, yes, it's a tragic situation. And there are going to be people like that, which are kind of in the middle of it, that are not fully civilians, but not fully combatants. And there's an understandable reason why they are holding weapons. They are going to die. That's just the truth. But it's not because the IDF is targeting civilians. It's because they are posing a threat to the IDF itself. So that's where I draw the line. That's why I think it's morally okay to have the IDF target those people. Now, if the ratio, if I, if I were to, if you to find out tomorrow that the ratio was worse than one to one, let's say it was two to one.
Starting point is 00:16:09 You wouldn't stop supporting the war. No, because of the IDF's precautions that it's taking. The reason why I bring up the ratio always in the conversation is because for a claim of genocide to actually be valid, we need for an actual genocide to be proven. And you can't have that without a claim of one-to-one ratio. And that means that if, let's say, tomorrow there's a civilian-to-combatant ratio of one-to-five or something like that, a much larger number, that would bring a different story. And there, there will be more questions raised. I would want to see more of what the IDF is doing.
Starting point is 00:16:42 It doesn't mean I wouldn't support them, but I would want to see more reasons. Because so far in this war, we have seen that the IDF has been killing more and more Ghazan civilians, not because it wants to target Ghaz and civilians or because it's decreasing its, you know, ability to protect Ghaz and civilians. It's because of Hamas' tactics that are getting worse and worse. So I would want to question that. tactics are getting worse and worse? Of course. The more civilians that are either holding weapons or the more Hamas is embedding itself within civilians, which it has been proven to do more and
Starting point is 00:17:16 more specifically because of the IDF strategy of cornering Hamas. This is my question. Yeah. We're two years into this war and, you know, 50, 60,000 people are dead. How is it that Hamas is still such a robust force that they're at the peak of their tactics here. Aren't they? They definitely aren't at the peak of their tactics because we have seen that Hamas got significantly weaker just by the fact that so many of the Hamas members died, but what we have seen is the IDF has been really going on a stop and go
Starting point is 00:17:54 mission. And what I mean by that is that it goes, it fights, and then it stops. Just like a few weeks ago, I believe in last week, the IDF announced that it will continue the offensive again, but before that it's stopped. So it's basically giving time to rebuild. It's giving Hamas time to rebuild and regroup, go back into the areas that the IDF already kind of cleared, and that just poses more issues. It doesn't mean that there's, you know, Hamas is right now so powerful. No, it means that because of its tactics and because of the international pressure Israel is
Starting point is 00:18:25 facing, it needs to be more careful than ever right now to make sure that the amount of civilians that in Gaza right now that are being killed because of this war are as low as possible. And we saundered the Biden administration, for example, which played for most of this war. The Biden administration was there since this war began up until January. And they have criticized Israel a lot for their actions, whether it's in Rafah or Gaza City. And that posed a lot of pressure on Netanyahu to kind of do this stop-and-go initiative, which hasn't been effective because he had to stop, than Hamasri groups and then they try again,
Starting point is 00:19:05 but it doesn't work. Are you worried that this man of all not working? Like, how confident are you that there's a positive outcome at the end of it? Because the worst case scenario, we said this actually on day one, that it'll be hard to judge the war until it's over because if they kill all these people
Starting point is 00:19:28 and then two years from now we wake up basically with the same status quo was when it started that won't make it a genocide but it'll make it a catastrophe beyond the catastrophe it already is just the notion that all these people
Starting point is 00:19:45 might end up dying and there isn't actually something you know to show for it even from just from the Israeli point of view that we you know we have a future in some way now where we didn't prior how worried are you about yeah i think that's a big concern and it's also a
Starting point is 00:20:03 concern to see how fast this war is going to end because right now uh right now we have the trump administration and power which is basically allowing israel to do what it wants it's not really pressuring israel in any significant way as biden was it's not like threatening the weapons from israel it's not threatening any any sort of thing like that so that is good that means that is going to be able to do what it wants in the war, but let's say this war continues after the Trump administration. I find that very hard to believe that it would actually continue for another four years, and that would be devastating.
Starting point is 00:20:37 But even if it does, that is true. Long time. But also, the Netanyahu before last month was more concerned with Iran, because Iran was posing a huge threat to Israel. And the Trump administration was also being involved in that. So I don't think it was a full eight months that they had for this, but I agree with you. It was a lot of time. But in general, it's always a concern that Hamas can regroup and rebuild.
Starting point is 00:21:04 And the only way to stop that is to make sure that Gaza is either taken over by some sort of nation. It cannot be a self-ruled nation, a self-governing state, because obviously when that happened in 2005, Hamas got elected, and that ended everything with Israel. And also what has to happen is Israel has to be very good with making sure that. that they separate, as you said, the civilians from combatants to make sure that no one is kind of mixed in the pile because what could happen is that there are civilians who will, with the same education as they're getting now from Hamas, which is a lot of propaganda, they will just either create their own terrorist organization or whenever eventually they get a new state, they will regroup and another Hamas will form. That is always a concern.
Starting point is 00:21:51 How worried are you about the accusations that Netanyahu is motivated not simply by the Israel's interests here, but by his own personal political and interest in avoiding prosecution, things like that. So, I think there's any truth to any of that? I disagree. I don't because simply I ask what else, what is the other option for Netanyahu? There's no other option for him because what he has, the steps he has taken in the war, none of them has been explicitly anti-Gaz and civilians or anything like that.
Starting point is 00:22:21 He has made it an effort to defend Ghaz and civilians. And definitely right now, like, he's not concerned about his popularity in Israel. He is very popular, despite the reports. So I don't think that's true. Yeah, of course it is. The majority of Israel still, well, Israeli civilians still support Netanahu by a good margin. And if they didn't, the... He wasn't very popular before the war.
Starting point is 00:22:43 Well, what do you mean? Well, let's... What do you mean? You said he's popular. Yeah, let's describe what I mean by very popular. So Donald Trump, for example, I think he is popular because he has over 50% of the votes. That's what I mean. So he would be elected again.
Starting point is 00:22:57 But then Yahoo didn't have over 50% of the vote. He formed a coalition. Yes, but he still got elected. And if he didn't, that he would have gone in through the parliamentary system. He would have had to either step down or the parliament would have called another election. So he's clearly very supported by the right. And he, like a balance that he has to do, which I think is what you're referring to, he has to balance the entire situation with the hostages, which is very much a big,
Starting point is 00:23:25 talking point for Israel's left because Israel's left is all about stopping this war and getting back the hostages. And he has to balance that with the pressure from the right, which is just to eradicate Hamas. But he also, hasn't he also lost people like Galant, who was his defense minister, not a, not a left winger, and Benny Gons. I mean, he's, you know, I wish I knew more about this, but it's, it's clear that you can't just say that anybody who thinks that he's not conducting the war in the wisest way is just a place. political left-wing opponent. I agree with you to an extent because I, again, I ask what is the other option?
Starting point is 00:24:03 And the other option they proposed was to either create a ceasefire, create a deal to get the hostages back. But again, you know, I want the hostages back as much as anyone else does because it's, I think it's cruel what they're undergoing. But it's the hostages, if let's say we are just focused on that and if that's our number one mission in this war, which for the Israeli left, much of it is. Their number one mission is to get the hostages back and to create peace. If we are just focused on that, then we're going to have another October 7th in a few years. As soon as Hamas regroups, there's very little balance here,
Starting point is 00:24:40 and that's the difficult thing. We can't both have the hostages or all of them back or secure their safety 100 percent and, you know, eradicate Hamas because Hamas doesn't want to be eradicated and then Hamas does it want, obviously, to give up the hostages? Something you want to say? I have, yes, but not about this particular subject. About his idiopathic narcolepsy? Also, no. Yeah, so, you know, I'm more worried than I've ever been about this.
Starting point is 00:25:08 You know, I just hope it turns out, I mean, it's not turning out well as it is. And I don't believe there's ever going to be a good option. There's no good option here. It's two bad options, but one of them is safer than the other, because one of them protects Israel for some time in the future. And the other one poses a direct threat back to Israel. So it's a very hard thing to balance emotionally, morally. But the reality is that if we don't eradicate Hamas, if we don't make that our number one priority, no matter what it takes, then they're just going to come back again. What do you want to say, Periel?
Starting point is 00:25:47 I wanted to talk about you gallivanting around in a high school wearing an Israeli flag and a hostage pin. And I was really curious as to, I mean, that seems like a pretty bold and brave thing to do these days. I have a 12-year-old who we were just in California and somebody, a little kid who was probably like seven or eight said they were talking about like what soccer teams they like. The kid said, well, I don't know. Rinaldo or Messi, one of them likes Israel, and the other one likes Palestine. And he said to my son, well, I like the one who likes Palestine because I hate Israel. So I'm really interested. This is something that's really concerning to me.
Starting point is 00:26:37 And also the killing the horrible murder that happened today in Michigan, which was Minnesota. Sorry, excuse me. Minnesota, thank you. Which seemed to be, like, also infused with a whole lot of kill all Zionists. So just to answer your first question, which is how I handled it in school. I'm very lucky in that my school is actually in a neighborhood where there's a big Jewish community and that's where I live. Don't say where you live.
Starting point is 00:27:09 Yeah, I know. Is it a private school? It is not a private school. It's a public school, but everyone is there. He's very pro-exel. before there's a public school. That's right. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:18 Everyone there is mostly pro-Israel. But my main issue is not from my school because, again, my school is pro-Israel. But my main thing is from online, from my articles. Because, again, I reach, whatever. I reach like 3 million people for my articles a weekend. So I reach a lot of people. But with that comes a lot of hate comments. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:37 And that's where I get most of my hate comments for being a Zionist, everything like that. even uh i'm not sure if you're familiar with brandon um straca he's uh the founder of the walkaway movement uh he's one of my mentors too and we organize some rallies for uh to rally against um zorhan um dani who looks like he may be the next mayor of new york city and even there like from the from the right and from the left i see again israel israel hating people who call jews like the the people who control the money in the world like all of this and really i I am immune to it because I've been dealing with it for my articles and everything. So for me, I still shake the hands of people who say that.
Starting point is 00:28:20 Because to me, if we don't have diplomacy or respect for one another, then we don't have anything. But I could understand why it scares a lot of people. And I've been in New York City, for example, just a few weeks ago, where people were wearing Kayafas, like wrapped around where you, like ski masks, basically, where you can only see their eyes. Cafias, yes. That's the name. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:41 where you can only see their eyes. And they started pointing at me, following me and everything. I was wearing my Israel pin, hostage pin. So, like, those experiences are obviously scary. But, again, when you're, like, living in this world, it's not surprising. And it doesn't, like, scare me anymore. Are you afraid that you could get carried along in the support of whatever it is that Israel says, is there necessary policy such that you would end up supporting a policy which was ill-advised
Starting point is 00:29:22 and in retrospect you will regret? Can you imagine yourself breaking with Israel? Yes. So I right now, no, because I am morally connected to it, because I'm Jewish. It's my state. But that doesn't make their policy-wise. Yes, that doesn't make their policy-wise. That doesn't necessarily mean that I agree with everything Israel does.
Starting point is 00:29:44 For example, even Netanyahu, I have a lot of criticisms for him. Like what? His judicial review policies that just came in about a year into the war, I believe, or six months into the war. I believe that number one, it should have never happened during the war. And I believe that those policies were also not necessarily good or beneficial. What about the judicial reform? That was before the war. No, that was, well, that was before the war.
Starting point is 00:30:09 and then he started pushing it during the war. Wait, I'm not done with this answer. Okay. I really want to hear what you have to say to, like, younger kids who are experiencing this. I've heard so many stories. Can I ask one more follow up on this? Then you can get to that? Because I don't know.
Starting point is 00:30:25 I don't have to come back to this. All right. So finish, though. What do you think about the way he's been handling the issue of aid, food aid to the Palestinians? Yeah. So, well, I did a lot of research into this. into this exact issue. And Israel itself gave over one billion tons of, or sorry, one million tons, not one billion, one million tons of aid into Gaza, which is an insane, um, high,
Starting point is 00:30:50 insanely high amount. Not only that, but, uh, the UN and groups like Amnesty International have been from the very beginning of the war, criticizing Israel for creating a famine in Gaza. The latest report, which was not recently, the latest report was, uh, in June or May of, uh, 20, 25, I believe, said the famine was imminent. But it also said that there was no actual famine in Gaza. What about today? Yeah, exactly. So today, what we have in Gaza is that the food, that the aid in Gaza is actually being increased. And that's because of a new organization made by Israel and the United States to deliver aid, especially to Gaza's to. Why is it being increased if it's been adequate well because it hasn't always been adequate to the civilians to the gaza
Starting point is 00:31:38 civilians because Hamas has been stealing all of it it's been proven okay it's been proven so do I think so so I don't listen I mean I'm trying to get it right I don't I don't think it's been on the one hand yes if if if if if Hamas is not stealing aid then and and there's hunger and famine then Hamas should be hungry and experiencing a famine, and I don't think anybody thinks Hamas experience. So to some extent, obviously Hamas is able to prioritize its receipt of aid, whether to call that stealing or, I mean, they're in charge. So, you know, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:32:14 Well, it is stealing, and let me tell you why. But, but we've also seen these articles that come from people within Israeli IDF saying that there's not a lot of evidence of a systematic Hamas theft. No, I don't know how to feel about those things, but I just feel that anybody listening to this will say, what do you mean? How come you're not questioning about this?
Starting point is 00:32:38 I want to make sure you have to respond to that. This is a very good response. And the truth is that there is a lot of proof of Hamas stealing aid. There's like not only videos. I don't go by videos because I don't believe that's a holistic review. It's going to be one off. Yeah, exactly. But what we actually see is that the IDF has published numerous reports.
Starting point is 00:32:59 And obviously it's coming from the IDF, but again, you have to understand that there's not many other groups in Gaza. What does it mean to be stealing aid? In other words, they're stockpiling so much aid? No, no, no, no. That's not what it means. The reason why Hamas is stealing aid is not because it needs that aid. Most of the, they can't steal as much aid as they have just because they need it.
Starting point is 00:33:18 They would be extremely obese right now. But the truth is that what they're doing with this aid is they're selling it. And that's how they make their money. They make a lot of money through that. And this is why they are still in power. Because they get to sell it. If they're selling it, then it's being fed back so then why are people hungry? Because people, not everyone can have money.
Starting point is 00:33:38 Not everyone has money in Gaza. Not, it's only the very... See, this is a thing. And people, so you're saying, people who buy it, don't share. I mean, as someone who's, obviously, I'm repeating myself, very pro-Israel, there was a certain aspect of the pro-Israel argument that I think, I think is flimsy only in the sense that people like you
Starting point is 00:34:07 repeat it and I don't know that it's not true but you don't know that it's true either and you're taking a leap of faith that it's true I I fear that there's tremendous rank in competence going on on this issue I fear that Netanyahu threw a bone to Ben Gavir and these other guys because he thought
Starting point is 00:34:29 oh there's plenty of food there anyway let me just do what they want, I think it was a huge mistake to put Israeli fingerprints on anything having to do with aid. They should have let anybody wants to bring aid in, bring it in. You want to drop it, drop it. Well, what was happening with that was that they were dropping aid that was going to Hamas. If they steal it, let him steal it. The war is not going to turn on whether Hamas had enough food to eat. That was not, I mean, as far as I understand, military you know, matters, very hard me to imagine that this was a pivotal issue that was going to decide the war. But on the flip side, having this go so wrong is one of the only things that could have happened to Israel
Starting point is 00:35:19 that they may not be able to recover from. They fucked this aid up thing so, aid thing up, so badly. this shooting of people reporting to get food when they took control of everything and to me, although I don't want to criticize Israel in front of the non-Jews, I know this whole dynamic. I also don't want to, you know,
Starting point is 00:35:41 have my words thrown at me five years from now and saying, you said this, you said this, you know, because you couldn't muster up the courage to say otherwise. Nothing I'm saying means that Israel's a bad guy in this war. Nothing I'm saying says that I think that Israel shouldn't be fighting Hamas. But it seems to me pretty clear
Starting point is 00:36:01 they fucked this aid thing up. Now, let me respond to it. No. Let me respond to that. And then she could talk about her high school thing or whatever she was. First off, I think it's important to mention
Starting point is 00:36:12 that giving aid to Hamas or if Israel just didn't touch the aid to Hamas and Hamas would steal it, as you mentioned, that would be very bad because it would be empowering Hamas by Hamas having the ability to sell that aid. Selling aid gives Hamas money. Money equals weapons. and weapons equal Israel destruction.
Starting point is 00:36:29 So that is a big deal of why Israel had to control some aspect of the aid. Not only that, but Israel... Who are they buying weapons from now? What do you mean? Iran sells weapons to... No, Iran's not bringing weapons into Gaza now. So how do you think weapons got there in the first place? They're there already, but I'm saying...
Starting point is 00:36:46 So... If there's some big smuggling operation coming into Gaza now, Israel needs to take care of that. I agree with you on that part, but we have to remember that if Hamas, did not buy any weapons during this war, then it would not have this power to... I don't mean until it, but this is the problem. Sometimes you have to look at something that's right before your eyes and say,
Starting point is 00:37:07 listen, yeah, I get it. I might have even made these same decisions, but obviously something has gone wrong here. Obviously, with the whole world calling, saying that Israel is starving these people. It's not the whole world. It's... No, it's...
Starting point is 00:37:22 No. Well, look, again, let me repeat. situation in Gaza is not good. I don't believe it's good. I think it's horrible. It's a war. And in a war, you may, like, there's a lot of, like, it's horrible on the people. I believe that. But when we have organizations that have systematically criticized Israel for their entire existence, like the UN, like Amnesty International, then, yes, we're going to have those organizations criticize Israel in this case. But also, we have to understand that there There has been so many inconsistencies in their arguments.
Starting point is 00:37:56 Like, you brought up the shooting in, when there was aid being given. And I don't, I think that's terrible if that actually happened. But that's also, could be a one-off situation exactly like Hamas stealing aid one time through a video. Gregory, don't become a cheerleader. Even the people in the room. Even the people you support, even people make mistakes. I, they fuck up. They get arrogant.
Starting point is 00:38:19 They get, you know, one of the things I've always worried about. is that, you know, as I've joked many, many times, the first time Barack Obama dropped a drone somewhere in the Middle East, he probably weighed it and thought again and thought again, probably trembled a little bit, maybe even choked up a little bit when he had to tell Michelle about the decision he had to make. I ordered, you know, a drone strike and I killed women and children, you know,
Starting point is 00:38:49 seven years into his administration, Mr. President, we want, we need that. author is it and can't you see I'm watching the game do what you got to do like leave me alone like you become so inured to these terrible things so what are you suggesting I'm saying that after two years of war you have to worry that the people in charge are less carefully weighing every decision that has people's lives in the balance than they were at the beginning of the war well because every it's like you're adding more numbers and more numbers.
Starting point is 00:39:24 It's just human nature. And somehow this aid thing has gone wrong. And listen, people like Javier Rette Gore are saying, very strong pro-Israel people. Even the free press ran an article about this, right? So I'm just advising against becoming a cheerleader because somehow it's based on the assumption. How does it get fixed?
Starting point is 00:39:47 Yeah, what is the other option? The other option of what? Like what should Israel do? That's another conversation. We should talk about that. Well, I'm saying, just don't, I wish, I just wish people would be, have, show the flexibility to understand that this, something seems to have gone wrong here. And the party line explanation is belied by what we're seeing, you know, like something went wrong. They said, we're going to take control of the aid.
Starting point is 00:40:22 we're going to distribute it and it's not working out and in retrospect I think we probably all agree it was better never to have gone down this road unless Hamas is surrendering now because they can't sell their aid anymore which I don't think is the case no but what is the other option for Israel the other option would be to empower Hamas by giving them funds and that is dangerous like giving them funds money and giving aid to Hamas or letting them sell is is not an option on the table, at least for anyone who believes that Hamas should be eradicated. So you're saying this, but I don't think you actually have any knowledge of the amounts of money or whether this actually is a significant...
Starting point is 00:41:01 Look at the UN reports. The UN itself, the most anti-Israel organization, published a report that proves Hamas has been stealing it. There's no one that doesn't deny it. I'm not saying not stealing it. I'm saying that is this, is the, what's that expression? Is the squeeze worth the juice worth? worth the squeeze.
Starting point is 00:41:21 Like, yes, if you only want to look at the fact that they may have less money now and you don't want to look at the cost of all that, yeah. Anyway, what do you want to say about high school? I'm worried about it. I don't want to cut you off. No, no, no, no, I just like the conversation. No, I'm worried about it. I feel the same way as you, but she wants to talk.
Starting point is 00:41:38 Well, I don't have to. I'm teasing, but, good. No, it's, whatever is going on is terrible. And obviously the civilians need to get food. it's a horrible thing. There's certainly no argument there. Okay, but to shift gears for a second, all of this anti-Israel and anti-Jewish propaganda,
Starting point is 00:42:06 which is pretty much the same thing as far as I'm concerned, I think that this idea that anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism, is complete bullshit. I've been saying that since October 8th before Israel set foot in Gaza, that the onswit of Jew hatred and anti-Semitism was not created on October 7th. And it seems to me that there has become, you know, from personal experience as well, a very hostile environment for anything Jewish or Israeli. And so I'm curious as to how you navigate through it, which you started to say,
Starting point is 00:42:49 And also what you have to say to other kids who perhaps are not as bold or empowered or knowledgeable as you are. Because there's a lot of misinformation. And I think it's, I don't think it's really dangerous. It is really dangerous. And what I started to say is that as evidenced by what just happened, this tragedy in Minneapolis with these two kids that were killed, the person who, killed them, had written, you know, Israel must burn on, you know, had like pages and pages of anti-Jewish and anti-Israel nonsense and probably what he knew about it could fit in the fucking palm of my hand.
Starting point is 00:43:36 Yeah. So, well, that's a, that's a wonderful question. Well, first off. Thank you. To your question is also wonderful. Well, first off to, to start off with how. or what I would get, the advice I would give to other people of how to deal with it is, is this. Number one, you don't have to be like me. You don't have to be in front of the
Starting point is 00:43:58 camera or whatever saying that you're pro-Israel. I don't think that should be anyone who doesn't think they're strong enough. They're probably not. It does require like immunity to it. And it's also important to understand that there are smaller steps that you can take to understand the situation better. And as you said, you don't want to be just a person who says, oh, I'm pro-Israel, but not really understand what that means. You don't want to, like, not understand the situation in Gaza. You want to read, you know, Al Jazeera and the times of Israel or and the Jerusalem Post. I don't know if they're very, yeah, okay, so you want to read everything. And that's the most important thing to be as knowledgeable as possible. And if you
Starting point is 00:44:39 yourself are knowledgeable and if you could spread that knowledge to your friends and to the people who you care about, that is more of an impact than probably anything else you can do. And And that doesn't require a lot of work. It's just reading an article maybe a day. And it also doesn't require being in public and being scared that you're going to be attacked by other people. That, I think, is a very important thing to do. And that goes on the left and on the right. I think that people who are pro-Israel and people who aren't pro-Israel, they should all do that.
Starting point is 00:45:10 And as long as you have an educated stance, as long as you can back up your opinion and you read everything, then I consider your stance valid, even if you don't agree with me. And now going a little bit further into all of this hatred and what we saw today in Minneapolis with a shooter who was, it just came out that the shooter actually was transgender. So assuming that they went through a lot of mental health struggles, they decided to shoot innocent people, almost 20 people, two people dead, two children, I believe it was 10 and 8, and then 17 injured, they decided to carry out like that. And a big reason that kind of, like, made them carry it out is because of the propaganda that we see online. That's a big reason,
Starting point is 00:46:04 because you don't have to be, like, I'm not saying that's the, that we should blame people who spread misinformation. I think that the real reason he had the ability to carry out, to carry it out was because he had a mental health struggle or something like that and he was deranged. I think that's the real reason. But because of this propaganda, this is where we see that he actually, you know, clicks the trigger, if that makes sense. And we see that online. But what does that have to do with hating Jews and having Israel? This person is, you know, I always say like it starts with the Jews, but it never ends with us. Like this has nothing to do with Israel. I mean, it's nonsense, right? Yes. Yes and no. We see that.
Starting point is 00:46:45 that, as you mentioned, it doesn't ever end with the Jews. We see that, and that's a big reason why I think he targeted a Christian church. His mother also worked there, so, yeah, it just came out. So his mother, his mother also worked there, so it was a pretty easy target, if you understand. And also, number one, he was very anti-religion. He even wrote on the magazines, Where Is Your God? Like, a disgusting phrase, I mean, he also was obviously, anti-Trump and he wrote like killed Donald Trump or something on his magazines and uh obviously
Starting point is 00:47:21 anti-zionist anti-Israel so these are all you know these are all ideas that you know the um Christians the Christians are very pro-Israel overall if they're religious and um these are ideas that they hold so it would be understandable why he targeted them specifically and uh again it's because of the anti uh it's because of the hatred we see online when we call don't Trump a fascist or a tyrant when we see that yes someone who is already going through mental health struggles they will take it matters into their own hands when we see that is an apartheid state that's committing a genocide and it's the evil um player in the world yes someone will take it in their own hands to uh you know deal with that and to affect their supporters or the people who
Starting point is 00:48:08 um they think support israel and obviously when uh when all of this kind of compiled it goes into a big issue. And that's why we saw people like, I forgot his name, I believe it was Tim Cook, the person who attempted to kill Donald Trump. We saw him. You know, same exact situation because, again, he's feeding into this hatred.
Starting point is 00:48:30 It's because we need to end this culture of toxic language. Like, even if I don't agree with someone, it doesn't mean I call them a tyrant or anything like that. That is how people get hurt. That is how, you know, a banana republic is created. between language and inciting violence. Of course. Right?
Starting point is 00:48:49 Of course. But also, we can't say that language doesn't have anything to do with inciting violence, because in this case, it obviously did. I don't believe that this person would have targeted the same people or would have targeted anyone if, you know, if Donald Trump wasn't portrayed as a tyrant by the left, or if the Zionism, Zionism wasn't portrayed by an apartheid ideology or something like that. I just don't believe he would have. I know he wouldn't have targeted the same people, and he probably would have maybe taken it a different way.
Starting point is 00:49:22 Obviously, again, I don't think this is the main cause of the reason why he initiated this shooting. I think that the main cause was because of mental health issues, which is a separate discussion. Well, I mean, there are a lot of people have mental health issues that don't go around murdering children, right? What do you have to say about all this? I don't know I think that um you know to read you some of the things he wrote on his on the magazine sure I think that um correlation uh is is not causation and and it's it's just a very um uh unreliable endeavor to to say that the reason a mentally ill person killed people was caused by the crazy hateful things that they repeat at the time they're killing
Starting point is 00:50:19 people, the notion that there would be no violent murders of this nature if only these people were not able to hear incendiary language. I do believe that it's probable that some percentage of these cases it's like you know you this is what reminds me of it's probably true it might be true that that the rise in hurricanes in total is a cause of global warming let's just stipulate that that that there's a good likelihood that that's true but in any particular hurricane when they say aha it's global warming they have no way of knowing whether any particular hurricane captain from global warming because we've always had hurricanes right so So that's like, so does the language contribute to violence in the overall?
Starting point is 00:51:14 Yeah, it probably does at some point. Can you say that about any individual shooting? No, you really can. Exactly. And so I don't know. I agree with you. I 100% agree with you. And that's why, you know, that's why just in general, if we end this hatred for the political left or the political right, if we end it, then that will benefit us greatly.
Starting point is 00:51:33 Because I don't believe, as you said, that this single shooting may have not happened if the shooter. was, uh, did not believe in this things or was not exposed to this. I believe that he could have still carried out a similar attack, maybe towards a different demographic. But definitely what would have happened if there was no hatred in the world, definitely there would have been some impact on the shooting. They're in a positive way. If there was, you know, this radicalism that we see today of the political right and the political left. So to an extent, I, I agree with you. I think to an extent that it had some contribution, but it's not, you can't say it was directly caused by that. Let's not get started on the access to guns.
Starting point is 00:52:18 Okay. Six million wasn't enough. At least, at least, thank him for small favors. At least he's acknowledging six million. Yeah, that's. Usually they deny it. Aha. You admit there's six million.
Starting point is 00:52:31 Burn Israel. That seems pretty tame after the six million, not enough. McVeigh and Bravick. McVeigh is an Oklahoma city. Saying that this was for the children, which then the... Parryl, you're reading the rantings of a crazy... I mean, I'm not saying it's not worth knowing.
Starting point is 00:52:56 Of course, it's worth knowing. I mean, there are lots of crazy people that don't say calls to Israel and to destroy Jews. Just pray. to your God that tomorrow some crazy Jew doesn't shoot up a mosque, which has happened, by the way. And then
Starting point is 00:53:14 we have to try to, you know, you have to try to get out from under your arguments. So we'll see what happens. I don't know. Donald Trump's, in your said, we've got to get this great end soon. Donald Trump's actions such as the Big Beautiful Bill in his American flag executive order often
Starting point is 00:53:30 mischaracterizes a flag burning ban when it is not. It is not a flag. I don't know about this. It is not a flag. I don't know about this. It is not a flag burning. band. I see people like Matt Walsh kind of like all of a sudden saying they're all for flag burning bands when they said flagbring bands were the worst thing in the world.
Starting point is 00:53:44 Well, Matt Walsh, all respect to him. I mean, I don't really okay, I'll talk about Matt Walsh. No, no, you've seen that going around Twitter. Yeah, of course. Well, let me tell you the person who I am influenced by, and that's Ben Shapiro. Ben Shapiro is my, like, the person I
Starting point is 00:54:00 want to be like when I grow up. I think he's a genius. He used to be the youngest nationally syndicated columnist before I was, I beat him by one year. You play the violin? No, I don't. Does he kind of say, Ben Shapiro? I do like, I, I think Ben Shapiro is quite a bright guy and gets painted unfairly in my life.
Starting point is 00:54:18 But he does say one dumb thing. He said that hip-hop is not really music. And I said, shut up, Ben. Anyway, I'll not tell you my opinion on hip-hop. So what do you think about the flag? Tell me about the flag. Yeah, so I'm going to repeat, reiterate something that he said, and I agree with it. If you look at the executive order and you read it, you realize that Trump's claim that it's
Starting point is 00:54:41 actually a flag burning ban is really just not correct. So what does it say? So the executive order says that if the act of flag burning provides imminent harm or is imminent can be imminently harmed by, I don't know, in a rally or something, for example, if you go fire in a movie theater, that could provide imminent harm, right? So that would be a reason to arrest you, and the DOJ would prosecute you. Remember that the executive branch has no power to create a lot. Ben Shapiro supports this?
Starting point is 00:55:14 Of course. Read the executive order. Well, I mean, isn't it already illegal? I'll speak out my ass here, but isn't it already illegal to do things which will cause imminent harm? Yes, that's why this executive order is going on. So why do they need to narrow it to flag burning? I am with you on that one. I have absolutely no idea.
Starting point is 00:55:34 I do not think that this executive order will actually provide anything. I think it was a political stunt. However, you know, it's not a ban on flag burning if you read the executive order because... It softens the ground for prosecutions, you know. So, listen, you know, this is one thing I disagree with my father on because my father came from a generation where he just could not accept flag burning. You know, and I think by the end, I finally convinced him, I would imagine some black people during Jim Crowe. They burn the American flag as a way of expressing themselves. How could you be in a country that honors free speech against that?
Starting point is 00:56:11 And he said, I guess. But, you know, his heart was never really in it because as an immigrant, he just could not cotton to flag burning. But having said that, when there is a law. which specifically mentions flag burning, it chills that expression. As a person who wants to express himself, maybe by burning a flag, you are now somewhat less likely to do it
Starting point is 00:56:42 because you understand that there's a minefield that you're now going to have to walk through, which is this statute. Yes. Which you, which you should, don't worry, no of it. But, you know, I don't think I really want to take that chance. Well, that's the whole purpose.
Starting point is 00:56:54 And that's a price to pay. Well, that's the purpose of the executive order, too. make people think twice before burning the American flag that I would say is an illegal intention in a free country well well I disagree I think that uh well again if we look at the wording and what this executive order is again targeting it's nothing new than what it has been in the past because again the executive branch has no ability to create a new law Congress would have to create a new law and if a law passed that I don't know burning the American flag would be illegal that law would probably get struck down by the Supreme court because obviously the first amendment in Texas
Starting point is 00:57:27 versus Johnson held that flag burning was protected. Yeah, protected in the First Amendment. Now, I think it's very fine and I think it's okay for the Trump administration to create this executive order. Now, you kind of are alluding to a little bit here that it's kind of centralizing the power again, kind of like making, again, the idea of flag burning once again, like people are going to have to question it, like whether they do it. Not that it's been happening that much anyway.
Starting point is 00:57:56 It hasn't. It hasn't in, thank God it hasn't, but it is getting definitely, it is happening when it's happening. So it's not like a complete like, complete, non-existent issue is what I'm trying to say. But, you know, the centralization of power in the Trump administration in the executive branch, I think that is what this really is all about because we have seen this is not the first thing that he has tried to control over. He has tried to control the tariffs. He has tried to control what else. He just tried... You think he's on firm ground with those tariffs? Well... I don't. Without regards to whether I think tariffs, if I thought they're a good idea, bad idea, this is not the debate.
Starting point is 00:58:37 I'm dipping my toe in. But the idea that we are in a national emergency, which is, as I understand, statutory authority, has the right to do these things in an emergency. We're not in any kind of emergency. Who are we kidding? With the tariffs, yes.
Starting point is 00:58:53 Well, no. The only caveat I would say, Like if it was aimed at the chips in China, which we need for our national defense, like I can imagine certain thin slices of our trade picture, which I would say, well, this is actually an urgent matter. But, you know, cars or? Well, Trump is allowed to, the executive order does have power. I mean, the executive branch does have the power to insinuate tariffs, especially in these cases. And in the past, presidents have done so. And every single president that I could think of has had some sort of terrorist.
Starting point is 00:59:26 even Joe Biden had taxes. I know, I know that, well, uh, yeah, um, he kept the tariffs for the, is there a 50% tariff now on, on India? Uh, well, okay, this is a different, this is when it becomes like a different argument. Now the argument is like, how much is too much. And that, that argument, uh, is, is very difficult because when we see Trump at the very beginning of his, like, term, I believe it was April 1st. That's when Liberation Day was, uh, he announced like tariffs on every single part of the
Starting point is 00:59:55 world you can think of. Many of those tariffs did not come to fruition, but there was a clear economic gain from that. We have gotten over $2.2 trillion in foreign direct investment more than any other modern day president. This is what I think. We have to. Nobody ever said everything that a dictator does is bad for his country or is dumb or cannot have good results. and I want to stipulate that there may be things that Trump does where I could see, oh, the result has been good, it's effective, he's brought illegal crossings down at the border. How is that a dictator?
Starting point is 01:00:38 What does, why does that? No, no, I'm saying like, so like, I'm working backwards. Like, even if I were to say that his methods are illegal or unconstitutional, that doesn't mean I'm not recognizing certain. good results. But we are ever so slowly getting a nerd to the, if I can use that word twice in a podcast, we're getting ignored to the results of expediency over principle. And I have always had a soft spot for that. We talked about last week like Thomas Jefferson
Starting point is 01:01:09 bought Louisiana. He didn't have the authority to do it. No one's thinking that was some sort of national... Well, it's a question. It's not. But it seems like Trump is on a full court press of testing the bounds of executive power, firing people, you know, and each one of the things examined by itself, you could make the case, his borderline, whatever it is, but the sum total, if this precedent and this way of doing business becomes the norm of future American presidents, I'm 100% sure it's going to lead to disaster. We are getting away from the fact that we are supposed to have a country that with a legislature
Starting point is 01:02:00 is supposed to be in charge of much more than Donald Trump is allowing to. And I know the legislature is paralyzed and doesn't do anything, but still. So yes and no, to that question, I mean, to that point, I agree with you. I know. Well, the main thing is that obviously Trump is testing the boundaries, but I don't think that's a threat to our country. I don't see that as a reason our Constitution is made. The whole purpose is to kind of give each branch as the power they do. It's not like there's there's no questioning here, whether the president has the authority to do something or not. It's made by the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court decides whether the Constitution allows for something. However, definitely he is testing the boundaries of the executive. branch. And he is definitely centralizing the power. And just a few years ago. And he got the first one to do it, by the way, cynically, when Biden forgave all student loans, when Obama legalized the dreamers. These were examples of the same kind of thing. They knew they didn't have the power to do these things. Of course. But they do them anyway. Well, I don't believe that there's anything that
Starting point is 01:03:03 Trump did. Well, actually, I don't, I don't think that Trump is doing something that he knows he doesn't have the power to do so. I think it's more of a question here. I don't think it's very obvious. However, I do think that centralizing the executive branch will hurt us in the future, not because it's going to, like, pose a threat to our Constitution, but because it's going to give the next president the same exact power. It's going to give the next president after that even more power. So it's going to, you know, bite Republicans back, and it's not going to, like, end well. That's why I would be very careful if I were Trump to continue expanding and centralizing the power.
Starting point is 01:03:41 And this, going after John Bolton. Of course, we don't know. I mean, it was approved by a, there was a warrant approved by a judge. And there is that possibility that Bolton is actually, you know, rightfully being investigated here. The standard would have to be, I said this is someone the other day, the standard would have to be that this is the kind of thing that the government would pursue even prior to 2016, let's say. even or is, but if Trump is doing this as an act of retribution, you know, I just don't want to defend the indefensible. Okay, last thing.
Starting point is 01:04:22 The election of Zoran, and we'll, and we'll, what we're going to see soon enough. And, you know, you would like to think that Trump wouldn't do this if he knew that in the end he was going to be exposed as John Bolton didn't have anything at all. Of course. But, um, Trump doesn't. Same thing with Letitia James.
Starting point is 01:04:38 Trump, Trump will do it because he knows it won't stick to him. The election of Zoran, Mom Donnie. I've done in-depth research into his policies and would like to address his socialist agenda and its connection to anti-Semitism. This is the last thing we're going to deal with. Go ahead. Yeah, so I get him. I think the most important thing to mention is that Zohanam Dhani in general is very, according to him now, is very pro-police force and very pro, you know, the police, everything that he kind of retracted from his statements before, which before he was obviously has tweets where he.
Starting point is 01:05:13 said he was anti-police, all of that stuff. But the charter, the platform, the political platform he sponsors and kind of abides by is the DSA charter, the Democratic Socialists of America charter. And after reading that, it's even more concerning than what Mamdani actually tweeted, because, number one, the charter says that their number one goal is to defund the police. They want to defund the police. So I don't think Mamdani would ever be able to redact that statement because I truly believe if he sponsors it and endorses a charter that says that he believes that too. Not only that, but there's like crazy things like, you know, taking CCTV cameras out of schools. Now, I don't know why that would be beneficial. That doesn't make sense to me,
Starting point is 01:05:59 but that's a part of the charter. Also taking armed guards out of schools, I kind of understand that, but again, in neighborhoods where obviously there's high crime rates, then armed guards in schools can be very beneficial and there has been a lot of studies. Not only that, but uh it gets even more crazy it gets to the point where this charter which was created years ago has from the very beginning uh said that Israel was an apartheid state all of that stuff but also sponsored boycott bDS groups boycott um divest and sanction groups um on israel which have been anti-semitic i mean if you look at them even um a few of them the big ones are registered as a foreign terrorist organization by the u.s government which is crazy and when we have a mayor who
Starting point is 01:06:43 endorses such a charter it's very concerning it means that he not only will uh hurt the the jews it's not going to be only the jews that that are going to suffer under his rule but it's also going to be every other person in the city because he will bring crazy policy he will normalize the dsa charter he will normalize socialist candidates being elected in the in the united states and he's going to be the first of many so given his i know if you've looked into this if you know about you're only 17. I, believe me, I looked into everything. Given his, I don't know,
Starting point is 01:07:16 maybe you can give some of those same pills to Periel. Which pills? Like, the riddling or whatever it is that he's taken that allows him to pay such close attention now when he's been a lifetime. Unfortunately, they don't help if you don't have ADHD. They just get you addicted. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 01:07:34 Is that true? Yeah, that's why it's a controlled substance. No, are they sure it doesn't help you No, the thing is it helps you but you lose, then you kind of gain ECHE because you lose your ability to cognitively think and you get addicted to a drug that kind of increases your ability
Starting point is 01:07:50 and what happens is that basically without it, you end up not being able to think for yourself and not being able to concentrate for yourself. So it turns into a very bad situation. That's why it's actually a big issue college students are facing right now the usage of, you know, stimulus. I think, okay, wait, wait.
Starting point is 01:08:06 Snort Ritalin. Okay, but Mom, Donnie. So, so given the actual mechanisms for taking actions that the mayor has? Perfect question. What do you actually foresee? So, for instance, he can't defund the police. Yeah, he's not. But he can certainly affect the way police policies.
Starting point is 01:08:28 He probably can take armed guards out of school. So what do you see? Not worst case scenario. Most likely scenario, if you were to go to sleep now with your narcolepsy and wake up three years from now in Mamdani's New York what do you imagine is the most likely things
Starting point is 01:08:49 you would see that will be different So there Don't exaggerate Hyper stuff yeah There's I don't believe There will be any immediate changes I believe that the changes will be like we saw under de Blasio
Starting point is 01:08:59 where they kind of are obviously if you look at as a holistically the city got a lot worse under de Blasio it's not good the crime crime it spiked I believe that is something realistic that would probably happen under Mamdani, but that's not the biggest threat
Starting point is 01:09:12 because that would mean Mamdani is just as bad as de Blasio, and I don't believe that. Are we survived? Yeah, we survived. The threat I think Mamdani poses the biggest threat he poses is that he normalizes socialism. He normalizes the policies he stands for, and once we have a candidate
Starting point is 01:09:30 that normalizes this, we're going to have not only Mamdani, but we'll have, I don't know, someone who is exactly like him just in Los Angeles, and it's going to go on and go on until there's going to be many cities throughout New York and the United States where there are socialist mayors who actually believe in this policy
Starting point is 01:09:46 and it's going to be normalized. And that poses a bigger threat. So it just starts by Mamdani getting elected. He's not the only one, but he's going to normalize it in the biggest city that holds the most amount of Jews when we have an anti-Semitic mayor,
Starting point is 01:10:00 then we're going to normalize anti-Semitism. So it's really just the issue of... Now, when you say it's anti-Semitic, I had this conversation with somebody last night. Do you believe he hates it? Jewish people or has bigotry towards Jewish people or do you think it's the Jews as a as a as a as a negative influence and a controlling influence in the world I I think that it is the latter I believe that he doesn't necessarily target like oh if you're Jewish I hate you immediately because you're just Jewish but no I think it's more of a bigotry not I don't know if bigotry is the right word word but you know seeing the Jewish elite doing so well and all of that I think that kind of feeds in because I don't believe he's necessarily anti-Semitic as in he wants to kill old Jews no I believe he doesn't kill us you can be
Starting point is 01:10:51 anti-semitic without wanting to kill like you can be a big racist without wanting to kill all well yes but he wants to he you could think they're inferior you could think that they shouldn't have the same rights you don't want them in your neighborhood you don't want to be friends of them as all there's all sorts of shades of bigotry I think there's a sense of bigotry with Mamdani where he believes that the Jews have too much power or that they are too ingrained into society that's what I believe that's why he
Starting point is 01:11:15 has like Jewish supporters for example that are like Jewish by race but not by religion or like things like that because I don't believe exactly how you said there's different ways to be anti-Semitic but when you don't condemn the antifada which was the killing of Jews over a thousand people
Starting point is 01:11:31 a thousand civilians and both of the antifadas died when you have those events that you don't condemn and you acknowledge that for some people, it means the killing of Jews, then you are effectively not condemning the killing of Jews for some people. And that is a big issue.
Starting point is 01:11:46 And I think if you are there, then you are anti-Semitic. So, again, I don't think it's a black and white thing. I can't just say, oh, he's an anti-Semite because he doesn't support Israel. No, I think it's more of a question of how he kind of thinks of the Jewish elite, the Zionist agenda, the Jews as a whole,
Starting point is 01:12:06 if that extent. disgusting thing, though, the quote-unquote Zionist agenda. What the fuck does that mean? Of course. Like, that's outrageous. It is. But you don't, you don't think so?
Starting point is 01:12:20 You don't think that, like, somebody who's running for mayor to say something like the Zionist agenda? He didn't say that. He's inferring that. Yeah. I'm sure he said that. He would say that. He would say that.
Starting point is 01:12:31 Look, this is more of his... Listen, I'm not, I'm not pro-Mam Dani. I'm just, you don't think anyone is, like, this guy is, I think he's really dangerous. Yes, of course. So I'll ask you the same question. What do you actually mean by is dangerous? I don't think, the answer to the question that you asked Gregory, like, I don't think it really matters because I think the end result is the same, which is anti-Semitism becoming normalized. Like, this guy has had so many opportunities to take a stand and say something.
Starting point is 01:13:06 about how much anti-Semitism is going on, and he has not said a fucking word about it. Why not? Why not? Well, surrounding yourself with anti-Zionist Jews, sorry, that's not it. Yeah, I mean, again, I haven't even followed them that closely. I have a business in Manhattan, so I, you know, I'm very worried about various things about city government here, including very much police enforcement. You know, if I look back on the BLM riots, De Blasio told the police to stand down when the rise.
Starting point is 01:13:50 That's an example. It's an example of what somebody of that worldview will do. Kamala Harris wanted to bail out the rioters. Now, Andrew Cuomo actually was quite strong, and he blasted de Blasio for this. So it's not throughout the Democratic Party, but the Cuomo wing, the Mandani wing, seems to be ascended at least in our thing. But not nationally.
Starting point is 01:14:13 Democrats are like hemorrhaging voters nationally, but that doesn't, you know, two things can have it at the same time. Well, we see that Mamdani and the radical left in general is kind of taking over the party. When we have people like AOC or Bernie Sanders who are Israel haters, self-described Israel haters, who think Israel is an apartheid state when they speak at the DNC prime time,
Starting point is 01:14:32 right before Kamala Harris got. on stage that is a Bernie Sanders and I self-describe Israel haters Of course they say
Starting point is 01:14:38 Israel is an apartheid state if you say Israel is an apartheid state you're an hater of Israel unless you're
Starting point is 01:14:43 saying that you like apartheid self-described yeah you're inferring from the fact that they that they say
Starting point is 01:14:52 Israel's an apartheid state I'm not sure they say Israel's apart they say or the West Bank is an apartheid they say Israel
Starting point is 01:14:57 is an apartheid No there's very shades of that I just don't know specifically but you know AOC actually, didn't I read, she actually
Starting point is 01:15:05 didn't vote against some defensive weapons for Israel where some other people did. Well, AOC also endorses the same exact charter as Mamdani does. I believe that AOC probably hates Israel. I don't know about Bernie Sanders. But AOC knows
Starting point is 01:15:21 about Israel? You know how I am? I'm anal about this stuff. Self-described would imply that I could now quote something to you where she describes yourself. Fair enough. How much do you really think AOC knows about Israel because I've seen her two interviews where she gets
Starting point is 01:15:37 tongue tied the second a question is asked that even scratches like the... I find her so hot I don't care what if... That's the problem. That's why she has votes. Well, good luck. Actually, because, you know, we can get all
Starting point is 01:15:53 hung up on Israel, but she also was instrumental... Why are you fucking laughing back there? She was instrumental in seeing to it that Amazon didn't open its major hub here and this is a could be a
Starting point is 01:16:08 catastrophic decision or a catastrophic outcome like you know they're going to the future is supposed to happen in New York the notion that you're going to New York is going to continue to
Starting point is 01:16:20 grow and be the center of the universe that has always been while the same time is stewing and and chasing out all the industries of tomorrow is stupid yeah obviously Amazon and things like it are the future. Yeah. So where do we
Starting point is 01:16:36 want them? And look, if you look at Mumdani's, of course. If you look at Mamdani's agenda and what I mean by that, look at his legislative history because he's currently an assembly man. If you look at that, then you would really see what he can do because he has sponsored bills that included $50,000
Starting point is 01:16:52 in environmental taxes on small businesses in New York. This is... So you'll have fun with that. Who cares about his anti-Semitism? Yeah, I mean, these are just like anti-semitism is an issue of course it's an issue it's in my opinion the biggest issue with mom donnie but also it's an issue for every new yorker no matter whether you're an anti-semit or not it's going to be an issue for you because socialism does not work we saw in the ussr venezuela
Starting point is 01:17:17 cuba every other socialist state that existed socialism does not work course not and i don't know why this has to be explained to people it it does not i mean that this is an unfortunate reality that we have in new york city i i can't believe it but a o c. He's hot, so who cares? Did you see that music video she made when she was a video? All right. Gregory, you don't live in Manhattan? I live right outside Manhattan.
Starting point is 01:17:44 Okay, so we're very happy to meet you. You're coming downstairs now, maybe and have a, you're not old up to drink even, but you can have a... Right here. Are you kosher or something? I am kosher. Oh, brother. Okay, well, you can have a water and some celery stalks. Thank you.
Starting point is 01:18:01 You're not wearing a keepa. No, I don't, I don't wear a keepo, especially in the city. Oh, but you wear one generally? No. Well, it's a tough, depending on the day. You're more comfortable with one or without one? If I remember to keep it on, I keep it on. But most of the time I take it off just for, like, literal, like, when I put on.
Starting point is 01:18:24 Do you feel it undercuts your persuasiveness? Yeah. That it's a... It's a big factor in why. people listen or don't listen to you, in my opinion, especially when you talk about things like Israel. But Ben Shapiro, actually, that's why I want to be like Ben Shapiro when I grow up. Yeah, he wears it and I think it's all right. Well, I think he gets a lot of criticism for being a Jew and talking about Israel. He is called a bigot every single, well, not just him,
Starting point is 01:18:51 but a lot of people, exactly like Alan Dershowitz, for example, he is very pro-Jewish on the outside, but he also discusses Israel as a topic. So he is called also a bigot for that. was it Emmanuel Kant had this thing about the categorical imperative like you should do what you would want everybody to do
Starting point is 01:19:12 or something like that I say you should wear it I agree with you and because if you don't wear it you have to imagine that everybody like you
Starting point is 01:19:22 would stop wearing it I agree with you and that's an outcome that you would think would be horrible I 100 agree you're kind of a freeloader and I don't wear it because I don't
Starting point is 01:19:30 I'm not observant like you are, but more power to you for being observant and I think you should wear it. I'm not criticized it. No, no, no. I actually agree with you when I criticize myself for not wearing it. It's because it's mostly a comfort thing also. I just forget sometimes, but I could tell you right now that I will be making bigger efforts to wear it because I actually 100% agree with you. Okay. Nice to meet you. Thank you so much. Where can everybody find you? You can find me on my ex just at Gregory Lykov or, I don't know, just search my name up. You'll see my articles.
Starting point is 01:19:59 Good night, everybody. Good night.

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