The Comedy Cellar: Live from the Table - Ann Coulter: Immigration, Forgiving Trump, RFK, Worries About the "Crazy" Hard Right

Episode Date: November 24, 2024

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This This is Live from the Table, the official podcast of the world-famous Comedy Cellar. Available wherever you get your podcasts. Also available on YouTube and available on demand on Sirius Satellite Radio. This is Dan Natterman. We're here with Noam Dorman, the owner of the Comedy Cellar. Present. Perry Alashinbrand, the producer. We have sitting with us Sherrod Small, a comedian.

Hi, Key. And Comedy Cellar regular. Thank you. Part of the brick and mortar around here. Like me, not as regular as he used to be. I know. Well, you know, the white man's the white man. And speaking of the white man or the white woman,

tonight it is our pleasure to platform, I guess is the word. Ann Coulter, author, journalist. She's written numerous books, including Never Trust a Liberal Over Three, especially a Republican. Adios America, the Left's Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole. And Mudd, Racial Demagoguery from the 70s to Obama. Ann Coulter, welcome back, I should say. I also have a sub-sack now.

AnnCoulter.sub-sack.com What's it called? Un-save. I was going to say un-chained. Un-save. Un-save. Ann Coulter has a bum rap in America, I can say from personal experience.

Not that she doesn't have views, which I strongly disagree with her on. Oh, you do not. No. But go ahead. In public. But let me just say, Anne is beloved by the comedians,

right, Shirat, by the comedians at the Comedy Cellar. Yes. She speaks her mind. She speaks her mind. She speaks her mind. But this is, I don't know if I've made this observation about you.

And I'm going to get, you know, we're going to get attacked for whatever it is that you're going to say. I can only imagine what you're going to say. But I have had the experience

of sitting with a lot of prominent intellectual people such as yourself over the years. And they tend to be very full of themselves when someone else at the table, like a waitress or a comedian wants to talk,

they kind of tolerate it just, and they sit through it just so they can then chime in with what they want to say. They don't listen or respond. Anne is always, Anne has always been 100% the opposite. I've been there at the table with Anne, with like the busboy and a waiter and a comedian, whatever it is.

Yes. And they would never have any idea they were sitting with anybody than like an ordinary Jane who was listening to them, talking to them, responding to them as an equal. There's no sense of haughtiness or superciliousness. That means like arrogance.

No, and that is you know when you erase people's views or whatever it is that is an important essence of a human being thank you I really appreciate that and it's absolutely true

it's absolutely true you correct Sherrod? I agree they don't even know it's her until she says we gotta build that wall so and obviously Sherrod and Anne are good friends so let's start with this and how happy are you about now you you were soured on trump so you might have a ambivalence i was

absolutely ecstatic i i mean i soured on him because he didn't keep he didn't build the wall right he didn't deport illegals he didn't enders. And I do want Dreamers deported first, by the way, ahead of the felons. Put a pin in that. Oh, God, Anne. He didn't end Anchor Babies. And, I mean, I didn't leak this. He leaked it. I didn't leak it.

I showed up in the Oval Office. I think I told Bill. I showed up in the Oval Office April 2017. Who were you wearing? I don't remember what I was wearing, but it didn't matter because I was standing right up against the Resolute desk yelling and cursing at him for about a solid hour. Wow.

It could have been anybody in the whole area of the Oval Office because we were yelling so much. Now, having a woman angry and yelling at him must have been a very unusual time. Go ahead. But he should have listened to me then. He kept calling me. We kept talking. But I really got fed up with him. Third budget bill. Third budget

bill. Two years. First two years he had a Republican House, Republican Senate. Third budget bill. No wall funding. And that's when I really let him have it. I was being nice before that. What did he say for himself? Well, he lied. He said, let's finish the wall.

He just figured out, yeah, I'm not going to build the wall, but I can fool the rubes. So I was kind of mad at the rubes for falling for it. You know how many miles he built? 47 miles. I can get around that. I know you want to get to the start. I want to keep interrupting you, but this is fascinating to me. Is that because he never really wanted to build the wall? I think he's a lazy F.

I think he's lazy. He didn't care. And I also think, but I think this is different this term, which is why I'm really ecstatic. And by the way, it wasn't just his victory. We took out, I don't know if any of your listeners know or care, but these absolutely lifetime Democratic senators that I never thought we were going to get rid of. I went, and some votes with Chuck Schumer, and then he walks around Montana, you know, like with hay in his mouth and his arm over his tractor

like he's one of them. He loves his John Deere. He's such a fake phony fraud. So we took him out this time. We took out Sherrod Brown in Ohio. Whoa, whoa. I like Sherrod. Sherrod Brown's a white man.

White man in Ohio, yes. Well, these are all white men. But Sherrod, that's a white name? Just like Jefferson and Franklin. I guess. Tyrone was a white name. I actually did a Fox News with Sherrod Brown before. You did?

He did Red Eye before he came on years ago. And Casey just finally conceded today at Pennsylvania. We never thought we'd get them out. So I was ecstatic with the election. But Schumer is never leaving. Probably not. We'll get to the Jews in a second. But what seems different about Trump this time?

I think my first column after the election, my argument is, I think liberals have so pissed him off with these, and they were. I hate the guy. I don't hate him, and they were. I hate the guy. I don't hate him as much anymore, but I hated the guy. These utterly BS prosecutions, utterly,

completely, the E. Jean Carroll lawsuit. Oh, come on. That's a P. Diddy. If anybody's ever been in a fancy department store, you go. The sales girls are following you around. You can't shake them.

They're knocking on the door. Does that fit? Can I bring you? The idea that you could walk in and assault a woman in that room without having 20 salespeople there passing you other clothes. And he was Donald Trump. He was a celebrity. He's not walking in to Bergdorf's and nobody's noticing. It was just an utter B.F. story.

All of the criminal prosecutions were complete B.F.s. And I think he finally got pissed off enough. Now, I want to ask you some serious questions here. You say you want the Dreamers deported. Yes, first. Number one on the list? No, but this upsets me. The Dreamers are the—

Dreamers were allegedly, we don't know, brought here as children. They're citizens, right? No, they're anchor babies and they're not citizens. Separate point. They were brought here as children. Allegedly. Many of them didn't know. Under Obama, right? Under everybody.

And they spent their lives as Americans. And they're our neighbors. And they are our workers. And they spent their lives as Americans. And they're our neighbors. And they are our workers. And you want to see them thrown out of the country. First. Why? Because, for one thing, it's kind of... Before the gang members? Before the criminals?

Absolutely. Okay, why? Because for one thing, I keep saying allegedly because you don't really have to prove it. We don't know when they got here. And the argument, oh, but they did nothing wrong. It was their parents. Okay, well, that's true.

If you go murder somebody, your kids are going to be left on their own. Sorry, your parents did this to you. We don't give you a free pass. But the main reason I want them deported before even the felons and the gang members, and the illegal who killed Molly Tibbetts, the one who left her in the court.

Yeah. He qualified as a dreamer. So don't act like they're all, you know, Harvard students. They totally are not. So when that guy grew up here, that guy who killed the girl. He came here at 17. That would make him a dreamer.

He was a child. And he was here for the requisite number of years. And then he goes and kills a girl. But what I hate about the Dreamers is you catch a felon, you catch a gang member, and they say, okay, you got me. Okay, I'm going to prison and then you're deporting me.

But the Dreamers are showing up on the cover of Newsweek magazine. They're storming congressional offices. I demand you give me amnesty now! Now! So I think we don't need any more Karens in this country. Okay, but Anne, no, no. They go first.

So first of all, the analogy of a child of a parent who murders, yes. But we don't intend to punish the child. We understand the child is punished collaterally, and it's tragic. And we try to take care of the child. But these dreamers, you want to punish them as if they were the wrongdoers. You could send their parents out. Are you saying they benefited from that crime? That's why...

No, I'm saying I don't care that it, quote, wasn't their fault, and it isn't always necessarily not their fault. No, if you know that it's not their fault, if you know that they have a criminal record, yeah, these are different cases, but I'm sure that, let's be conservative, I'm sure that 80%, this is probably much higher, I'm sure that 80 let's be conservative. I'm sure that 80 percent – this is probably much higher.

I'm sure that 80 percent of these people are law-abiding citizens. They pay taxes. I wouldn't assume that. We don't know. We don't know. Molly, you would have said the same thing. The farm – the dairy farm that employed the guy who killed Molly Tibbetts said, what a hard worker he was, and he was so great. Yeah, they're they're they're

obeying the law until they until they rape a little girl um but my point is i don't care that it was allegedly not their fault they're illegal aliens they came here illegally and just and yeah okay go back with your parents i don't know why it's so much of a punishment it's it's hell on earth not to be able to stay in the United States and collect welfare. Well, go. Go back to the country you're from. You know, they're collecting welfare. Well, look, I—

I'm going to pass that. I'm going to go. Let's say I'm a 50-year-old man. I'm an attorney. My parents are dead. I would—you know, the only recollection I have is America. You're going to send me back to Haiti or something? No, by then, they're all unfortunately citizens.

Don't worry. There won't be any 50-year-olds. Oh, because of the amnesty? Oh, they will have gotten married. They'll have an anchor baby child. They will have applied for citizenship. They're all citizens by the time they hit 50. But why not reserve your intentionality

to actual people who have intentionally done things that you find upsetting? Well, they have intentionally stormed congressional offices and bossily demanded that we change the law for them. No, make me a citizen now. This is outrageous. Make me a citizen now, now, now. They they go to you know republican members of congress and senators they're out having lunch and you have this mob of of dreamers show up um and they're they're they're they aren't particularly accomplished and i would you um uh uh permit say the dreamers to stay in exchange, if you were in charge, in exchange for very rigid border control going forward? No, we got to get rid of them.

We got to get rid of them. We got to get rid of all the illegals. You were right, Sherrod. What? It's too... I mean, we have now... Everybody lies about him. I should say, I should throw in before saying that,

there are at least 40 million illegal aliens in this country. It's been 11 million for my entire life what another one hasn't come and i described it it's too boring to describe here unless you beg me to but um the 11 million is a bs figure and back in 2005 it was already according to serious analysis about 20 30 million and boy a lot have come in since then. So let's get them out. And I'm not saying, you know, it doesn't have to be the military with long guns coming in. What happens is what Obama started was, we won't even try to remove them unless you can prove they've already committed a felony and been convicted. Well, like I say, they're law-abiding

until the next week when they rape somebody. But they were law-abiding before then. What ICE has been saying, and I know a lot of ICE agents and Border Patrol is, look, when we come across them, we catch them whatever, drunk driving,

driving with a broken taillight, they get in a bar fight. Okay, that's not enough to have a felony and remove them. But we've caught them. Let's just get them out of here. We'll start from scratch, let them in, and decide who we want as our caught them. Let's just get them out of here. We'll start from scratch,

let them in, and decide who we want as our fellow citizens. Are you implying that the Dreamers have a higher rate of criminality than the native-born? Or are you saying that?

Most immigrants, legal or illegal, and especially illegal, definitely have higher crime rates than Americans. And part of the reason for that is you're getting a lot of young men, a lot of young men, that's the crime committing ages. They're poor. Poor people do commit a lot of crime. They're coming from countries where

criminality is a way of life. So it is just a fact that, I mean, you can say, well, not compared to our poor young men who had tough upbringings. Well, okay, let's not bring in poor young men who had tough upbringings. Let's bring in physicists, physicists, doctors, surgeons. So you would even restrict legal immigration to those kinds of people? I want to bring in people who are better than us, who make our country better, smarter, taller, better looking. We can choose anyone in the world and to even compare it to, to even say, which I think isn't true,

that they commit crimes at the same rate as Americans. Not true. But let's say it were true. Okay, so you're looking at your refrigerator and you see you have a lot of rotten food. Now you go out to buy new food do you say to yourself well the food in the refrigerator is already rotten so i'll just bring i'll just buy rotten food and bring it back no you can have any food you want get the fresh food

get the good food those people want to come here you're talking about they're dying to come here they're dying to come here they can't so yeah look this is hard for me because i feel like if you had my my experience i depend on immigrants like like i can't even explain to you i could get and have gotten actually sentimental when i think of the key people who helped me to make the comedy seller what it is i agree who were who were immigrants many of them actually did sneak here illegally and as you said they cleansed you know their who helped me to make the comedy seller what it is. I agree. Who were immigrants. Many of them actually did sneak here illegally. And as you said, they cleansed their status in one way or another. Yeah, I bet they're citizens now.

They're citizens now. And they make the country much better off. As a matter of fact, I've said that one immigrant is probably worth three homegrown employees. Like I have this guy, I joke about like Tony, you know Tony. Oh yeah, yeah, of course. You can't catch him not working.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like that these people do not improve the country is impossible for me. And I am actually sympathetic to you about, first of all, that we have to control the border. There has to be some number that we decide is a proper number. I'm sympathetic to,

even though we haven't discussed it yet, that we're bringing over people who've grown up seeing America as an evil force in the world, who don't yearn to become children of Washington and Jefferson like my father did. And that worries me. And actually, if I speak to my immigrant employees and I question them about how they feel about America and America's history, it's disturbing the kind of answers that I get. So I agree with that. And I really do worry about that problem. On the other hand, we have negative population growth without immigrants. And we see the consequences of that in other countries.

So we have no choice but to have immigrants. Oh, I totally disagree with that. And getting rid of the dreamers. Well, go ahead. Why do you disagree? Three things. One is you are seeing the best of the best. And Charles Murray wrote about this a long time ago, because everyone thinks, and yes,

absolutely, the hardworking ones, they're not only hardworking, they have such nice attitudes. They're so happy. It's absolutely true. I have a lot of immigrant employees myself. And yet your heart goes out to them. You love them. By the way, they are all citizens, even though they don't speak English. So it's not like they're all going to be going. Everyone who speaks no English, don't assume they're illegal. They all get put through E-Verify, so we're not going to lose that much labor. Most of them are legal immigrants at this point. But the actual percentage, we don't see the MS-13 members. We don't see... You do if you go to the Rio Hotel in Vegas. If you want to talk about MS-13, yeah, but you started with the Dreamers.

That's the problem. Maybe there's some bravado. I don't know what's going on there. The MS-13 need to go, of course. No, but I'm saying there are a lot of them. And I think your view is skewed because you're seeing, I think, a very unusual sample. As for the population, we really, well, A, the reason it's disturbing to see Europe's population going down is it shows a lack of optimism. It's because they have no hope for the future.

But the actual numbers of people doesn't make a difference. I'd rather have fewer people and better people. The only reason we allegedly need them is social security. Well, that's just a Ponzi scheme, so that's never ending. And the third point is, you know, where people have a lot of children is in countries with... or countries... states with the fewest immigrants because they have to

pay the least in taxes. And family formation is cheaper. Not like New York City, where to have two children, that's very, very expensive. But places like Texas, where you can get a big house with a lot of rooms, and you don't have to pay for an expensive, fancy private school.

So if you look at the states where people are having the most children, it is the ones with the fewest immigrants, and therefore the smallest welfare state. Sherrod, what do you think? It's rough. I mean, I know a lot of immigrants, definitely who worked here. But you know, a question, I know they work harder, because they have to work harder. No, it's their attitudes. They're great. I have to admit it. But, you know, a question. I know they work harder because they have to work harder.

No, it's their attitudes. They're great. I have to admit it. But where are their loyalties? Are their loyalties to the country or to themselves? I think their loyalties are somewhat divided because of where they've come from. For instance, in Mexico, I believe they grew up hearing that America's kind of the bad guy in their narrative of history. But their children,

their children will likely become patriotic Americans, we hope. Because they love the culture. They're part of the culture. It's a place for them in our culture because it's inclusive. All I know is I go to Kosar's Bagel on York Avenue and, what was it, eight?

Have you ever been there, Ann? These people, there's a line out the door, and if it were American teenagers, you'd be waiting all year long for that bagel. But the way they process these wraps and these bagels, it is unbelievable. And these are from Mexico and Latin America. But why don't we want these gang members out

before these nice, in some cases, dreamers? There are literal gang members that are overtaking buildings. Well, I'm not saying don't remove them. Let's talk about something else. And actually, you know what? You say what you say, and I always tell people,

I know her, she believes what she says, because people very often think, I'm sure they tell you. She just says that stuff to get attention. I never understood why, I know her. She believes what she says. Because people very often think, I'm sure they tell you. She just says that stuff to get attention. I'm like, I never understood why liberals find that comforting. And I'm like, no, I spoke to her privately. Like, she really believes that, you know. Why don't we explore why they come in here in the first place?

What are we doing as Americans to make these places like Ecuador, where MS-13 come from, more appealing to them? I thought it was El Salvador. El Salvador. El Salvador. Aren't we involved in their- It's the greatest country in the world. No, we are not responsible for the fact that their countries suck. They've always sucked.

They've sucked for a thousand years. I'm sick of this blame America first. I'm not blaming- Oh, it was the banana company, and that's why this one country sucked. You know Chiquita got a whole bunch of slaves now. All of Latin America sucks, and it has always sucked. Okay. And that's why this one country sucks. You know Chiquita got a whole bunch of slaves out there. All of Latin America sucks, and it has always sucked. Okay, let's move on.

Yeah, but you love the food. It's amazing. Like Molly Tibbetts' father. Remember that? And the men. His daughter is killed by an illegal alien, and he said, no, but we need them here because their food's better. That's your response to your daughter being killed?

He must really love tacos. RFK Jr. I just heard about him. I know. Why are you going soft on RFK Jr.? I want to hear what you have to say. Are you going soft? I just wrote a column.

He's my favorite nominee. Oh, my God. The competition isn't that stiff. Fair point. I want to preface this by saying that I think the entire MAGA right is going way too crazy for me. They are surrendering their standards of procedural thinking and logic, and they're embracing crazy people. I'll just say about RFK, and you're going to try to rehabilitate him. If RFK had thrown in with Kamala Harris for his own political purposes,

and she made him director of HHS, we would be fucking screaming about it. And you'd be the first one in the chorus saying, how can you appoint this nutcase over our health? So that's what I believe. Now you can say what you want about RFK. Do you hate beer cubs?

First of all, I totally agree with your general point. And I had a podcast that went up today on my sub stack. And I started with Pam Bondi, the new AG nominee, and just said, you know, Mr. Trump, wasn't it great having J.D. do the vice presidential debate? Isn't it fun having smart people around you? Could we please get smart people who also are right-wingers? Because they exist. Oh, they're out there. Why don't you just go to the Federalist Society?

I mean, Payam Bondi, okay, I'm sure she has the right instincts, but go back to the Federalist Society. But she won't say no to him. Maybe he's just trying to get people who he knows he can control. There are a lot of smart right-wing Federalist Society. But she won't say no to him. Maybe he's just trying to get people who he knows he can control. There are a lot of smart right-wing Federalist Society members who have worked at DOJ, who went to top colleges. I mean, look at his Supreme Court

appointees. Anyway, I'm with you overall on... Come on. Come on. You couldn't do better than this. Same thing with Gates and Bondi. The one I really hate is Kristi Noem. But as for RFK, and this is what I wrote about him, no, I want the authors of the Great Barrington Declaration who were right on COVID

while our, quote, public health authorities, they were completely wrong. They shut down this country for no reason. They lied to us about the six-foot distancing. They lied to us about masks. You have big pharma that has, you know, half the country on pharmaceuticals and big sugar and processed foods. I mean, the obesity crisis is through the roof. And what's Washington's solution? Oh, put them on Ozempic. Put the kid on a nausea-producing thousand-dollar-a-week drug. How about you eat healthier food? So anyway, at the top of this bureaucracy, I would like the smart scientists running CDC,

like Jay Bhattacharya and Martin Kaldor, if they're the great Barrington Declaration guys who got it right on COVID, all the experts. I'm going to answer that. I'm letting you finish.

And Fauci got it wrong. So let them run the serious agencies. But I want the guy at the top to be a completely crazy former heroin addict. I can't argue with that. So effing hates public health authorities that that will be his general approach. Right.

Oh, Ann. That's smart. All right, first of all, I want to, you know how they try to hang January 6th, which was terrible. I think we all agree. What about the federal holiday now? They try to hang it around the head of every Republican or every conservative. And I think, obviously, we all know that much of what went on with COVID was, some of it was recklessly wrong. Some of it was a moving target. There were very tough choices to make. Even the Great Barrington Resolutions- Declaration.

Declaration, which I just recently reread to confirm my recollection. It was based on the idea that if we protect the elderly and the highly vulnerable people and allow COVID to spread among the younger and more robust, this would bring us to herd immunity, bringing the R-naught below one, and therefore the disease would be extinguished because we're not going to wait around for a vaccine. That was 100% wrong, too, because we know now there was never going to be herd immunity. We have herd immunity. No, we don't.

We just have vaccine immunity, and we have decreased it's not as damaging to us because we've had it prior. No, but immunity doesn't mean you never get it. You know, the flu, a common flu that goes around now is still from the 1918 flu epidemic. That virus is still out there

and we still get sick by it, but you don't have millions dying. No, no. Like, herd immunity means like the mumps, you get it once, or chickenpox, you get it once, and then it disappears. It doesn't have to 100% disappear

for it to be herd immunity. But if the idea was to protect the elderly and the people who would probably die from it, the only way they could be protected would either be a vaccine or the virus basically disappear within the population. It turned out later, Bhattacharya had to integrate it into his later interviews that, oh, we thought we could get herd immunity, but actually we're just going to get herd kind of

resistance in a way. Like the 1918 flu. And that was, like the 1918. So that was wrong as well. Without the vaccines, his scheme would not have protected the elderly. No, it would have, because we had time to develop

the monoclonal antibodies. Well, the vaccines are therapy. The over 65 crowd. It's not like, I mean. Let me say one thing about that. It's one of the things I felt it. And then we hear a lot of people argue that, well, they lied about the vaccine because obviously, and this is true, you can't tell me something is safe if you only had two months experience with it, right? And this is actually true.

But what they never also say is, yeah, and you couldn't also tell people that COVID was not a big deal. No, it was a big deal. No, because we've only had two months experience with that. Because at the same time, and I don't believe the Great Barrington dealt with this, we were also hearing reports to this very day

of long COVID, brain fog, neurological consequences. I was quite up on this, and I knew very well that my children were not going to die or even get seriously ill from COVID. But I was not sure what possible effect it might have neurologically on them. I was not determined yet, and therefore, I did not want my kids to get COVID, and I was not a hysteric. This is all, and and okay, we have our bad incentives. We have our pharmaceutical revolving door. We have Fauci liar, but yet

the whole rest of the world also overreacted. So it's not as if only corruption leads to this. It's human. We're scared. People are dying. We don't know if anything's true. Things we thought were true are changing in real time before our eyes. What is the conservative course of action? Lockdown and plan for the worst. And I respect that. It's easy in retrospect to go back and say, we did this wrong. We did that wrong.

We did that wrong. But I don't think most of those people are evil villains. Some of them were. We've seen Fauci's email. There's no excuse for that. But even masks. No, masks, cloth masks don't work. Surgical masks don't work. Those

duck-billed N95 masks, they work almost perfectly. They do. I'll give them a break for the first few months, but we knew, I knew, I can prove it from my column at the time the dead in italy and that was the first one to be hit right the average age was 80 and we do know what happened in florida and we know what happened in sweden so the first i don't know four five

months i'll say yeah we didn't know what was going on fine we did know at some point and for them to shut down the debate and say we have to take down the Great Barrington Declaration, guys, and get them banned from social media. I mean, you might still have wanted to keep your kids home, but other parents might have wanted to. And I agree with you 100 percent. So many of them moved to Florida so they could put their kids in school. And you're totally right. We don't know about long term effects of COVID. I had one weird long-term effect, not that it really matters, but my knees swole up. I'm so worried. It was like a

meniscus tear or something. No, no, no. It was nothing. I was tested for Lyme, everything, everything. One year later, it does the exact same thing the exact same month. So I go to more doctors and hospital of surgery and finally i guess they're called like a rheumatologist and she said okay we've looked at everything i think it may have just been a reaction to either the covid or the covid vaccine because i did get one shot um see if it comes back if it doesn't come back it's over and it never came back so that's good long haul covid um don't believe it i think that that's all neurotic liberal women in New York. First, I noticed that all of the New York Times articles

about the alleged long-haul COVID, they were all white liberal Karens in New York. And then, ha-ha, there was a study done in France where anyone who had COVID or had or thought had long haul covid they came in to be tested and i forget the exact percentage but it was at least 50 percent had never had covid yeah this is true and they were claiming to have had to be living with long haul have short they're neurotic women it's like epstein bar they're neurotic women i've done i've done a lot of reading about this long COVID thing.

You're absolutely right. There are studies which really seem to pour cold water on the whole idea of long COVID. And yet, as reasons a few months ago, there are credible studies which still seem to think that it's real, that people having years with brain fog. There are some studies that purport to show actual visible MRI changes in neurological structures, all of which is to say that if you're in a position of power, you're going to have to err on the side of caution. But a choice is a choice.

You're hurting people one way or another. In Sweden, they had fewer excess deaths than other European countries because keeping kids out of school, having them breathe into the masks, that was unhealthy for them. People weren't getting cancer surgeries and they were dying because they, they weren't getting their mammograms and they were getting breast cancer. So you're making a choice either way. It was a suck ass thing. I really hate China for it. And I do think it came from the wet markets because they're foul,

disgusting people. Cut that out, please. We're not going to have racism on our... Did anybody else notice, by the way, that were mask wearers, that if you sucked on a mint while wearing a mask, the mint air went right up the mask and stung your eye? Did anyone notice that? No, I want to try that.

I'm telling you, you suck on like a spearmint whilst wearing a mask and when you breathe, it projects the mint air upward. And you get your eye stick. Anyway. I just wanted to say one thing just to, it's important that you understand where I'm coming from this. In August of, I looked it up, in August of 2020, which Great Barrington came out. Works with gum too.

After that, I think. Came out in October. Right, right, right. I wrote an email to some friends of mine because they weren't letting college kids go back to college. Yes. And I just wrote, devil's advocate, are students less likely to hang out and get sick

if they stay home and party with their friends? If testing and tracing is really a thing, wouldn't an enclosed college be the place to do it? Let's remember, 180-year-olds produce as many deaths as 20,000 25-year-olds. So I was already thinking along those lines before they were thinking along those lines. Anyway, Noam loves to do this. He loves to go back on Twitter and say, I was right.

No, you were right. You are right there. I'm saying it only to show you that I am very disposed to the thinking of the Great Barrington people. I was thinking that way along the, at the time. However, we, at that time,

we're thinking about herd immunity and I don't know. I just, I, and I do agree with, I mean, there are, like I said, with the crazy knee thing I had, I know there are after effects that people are going to have from COVID,

but it's the same thing with the vaccine. So it's 50, 50. The last line of my, the last line of my email was, are we being quixotic at this point? What if we're on the path for the worst of both worlds?

Yes. Which is, by the way... That's what happened. Yes. Lockdown and all the same amount of death. Yes. So I'm not, you know... Yes.

When you say vaccine, you emphasize the first syllable. Is that a new Canaan thing? Oh, yeah. That's good. Because I'm from Stanford and we said vaccine. Now, wait, wait. Oh really did i do i say it

differently the vaccine oh hold on max play play the play the play the rfk jr the twitter the 20 second video there play it yeah put your headphones on so you can hear it sorry video oh boy okay this this is rfk is this where he calls strong pittler no no make sure the sound in like 1979 they uh they brought on a vaccine called the diphtheria tetanus and pertussis vaccine and that vaccine was very dangerous and it was killing one out of killing or giving severe brain damage to one in 300 kids and it was pulled in the united states it was pulled in europe and it but bill gates gives it to 161 million African children every year. Okay. You can stop it.

Now, I look this. This is total bullshit. I put it on Twitter. I said, can anybody find me a source for this? Doctors? Nobody could find a source for it. There was some complications of one out of 300,000. Not dropped, but nobody dying. He said one out of 300? He said one out of 300,000. Not drop, nobody dying.

He said one out of 300? He said one out of 300. Oh, mercy. And even those complications were not, you know, there was different interpretations of it. It is true that vaccine is being given in Africa. One out of 300 African children are not dying or getting brain damage. Thank God.

And the guy also believes, I mean, anything that you can come up with, he'll believe it. Wi-Fi causes cancer. 5G causes cancer. Fluoride. Pesticides. I'm for pesticides. They're perfectly safe. I want to kill bugs.

Doesn't he have some sort of like a worm in his brain? He's got a brain worm. Why does it sound exhausting? That's what I was about to say. See, his fruit should have had pesticides. He wouldn't have gotten that worm. But in some way, we're normalizing... Craziness.

Craziness. We elected Donald Trump for fucking president. To our point. Trump is a thousand times more grounded than these people. I agree. Well, I mean... As a matter of fact, when Ali G was doing all those things, Trump was one of the only people who saw right through him.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Not for a second he was Trump-full. Giuliani didn't. Giuliani. He was in the hotel room with his pants on. Also, Andy Rooney didn't tolerate that. Oh, that's pretty good. Gore Vidal, too, was pissed.

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one of the few kennedys i haven't viciously attacked because or your father is because he worked for mccarthy and really loved him and i was thinking i'd just do this whole interview on joe mccarthy okay that was a joke and he spent the next half hour talking about joe mccarthy he must have been so relieved not to talk about other stuff but he's not a mccarthy uh like one degree of separation because didn't trump use the same lawyer who was the side? Yep, yep. Roy Cohn. Who replaced, he replaced, I didn't correct RFK on this.

He replaced the original RFK, the father, because Roy Cohn was, well, he's Jewish. He was really smart. He was smarter than the Kennedy. So McCarthy goes with really, really smart lawyer who is not Michael Cohen, by the way. The idea that Trump can't tell the difference. A dumb Jew and a smart Jew. I always wanted to write a letter to Trump saying, you know, Jews are known for being smart.

I've never seen someone surrounded with so many retarded Jews. I didn't know there were that many retarded Jews. Rules. They're actually known for having high IQs. You ought to check it out. But he did say, no, I'm not going to take away anybody's vaxes. I've been vaxed.

My kids have been vaxed. And the only other thing I'd say about that, one guy isn't going to take away vaccines. What I think we will get, what did I say? Vax. Oh, sorry. I didn't even notice. What I think we will get is some debate. And I have friends who think that it's the mercury that's causing autism.

And I've heard this for years. And I don't believe it. I think it's stupid. Yet and still, maybe we should have an open debate about it and let the smart scientists shoot down the crazy idea. But isn't there somebody who's not crazy who could do that? I guess not. No, I want the crazy guy.

You just want to get the popcorn. You want to enjoy it. And I get that. I want him to go after sugar. The sugar lobby, we really have to go. I want him to go after Big Pharma. I just did a podcast because I read this in the New York Times. It was an article about people on large doses of Adderall or other stimulants have five times the rate of psychosis.

That was the main point of the article. That wasn't what took me by storm. 16 paragraphs down, 79 million Americans are on prescription steroids or stimulants. 79 million. I'm thinking maybe we're over-medicated.

Wow. Obamacare, huh? Now, RFK also said that the COVID vaccine was targeted to spare the Chinese and Ashkenazi Jews. I looked into that. That's nonsense. My friend John Levine

was sitting next to him. He was the one who publicized that. You know the guy who goes like that in the video? I'm friends with him too. I'm friends with him too. We went to Israel together. Now, isn't RFK married to Cheryl Hines? Yes, who's supposed to be really funny.

Yes. Oh, from Curb? Yes, from Curb with Larry David. Was she one of the 37 women he had an affair with? I don't know. But famously, Dershowitz told us this story that he was best friends with Larry David and Larry David went apeshit on him, right? In the Hamptons. Remember this story that he was best friends with Larry David and Larry David went ape shit

on him right in the Hamptons remember this yeah yeah when I shit on Dershowitz yeah because he defended Trump right right so how are these like far left-wing Jewish liberals. Hollywood, yeah. And this totally insane, lunatic, right-wing fanatics all coming together. We're seeing this all around. We're seeing it with Dave Smith, too. Our friend Dave Smith. Six months ago, Dave Smith thought that Trump should rot in jail for war crimes. And now he's pro-Trump. That's hilarious.

Well, my friends who worked with Cheryl Hines at the groundlings adore her say she is so funny she's so fabulous and rfk does still i mean he does have crazy environmental beliefs i'm glad he's not at epa that would really get us in trouble but he's really good on free speech he was really after the social media companies he's great great on the border. He's, by the way, with you on how we're going to keep the dreamers. Sentimentality about people who've spent their whole lives here. The only country they've ever known. Shouldn't go before the gang members.

Cue the violins, Max. I love how to Anne, you're like this totally soft, liberal far left wing. Hold on. Listen to me. And this is the way I am with anybody who disagrees. Anne backs up what she says. She doesn't wince. She doesn't

double talk. So I can talk to her. She knows I don't agree with her. And she doesn't get mad when I tell her I don't agree with her. She never doesn't get mad when I tell her I don't agree with her. Right. She never held it against me. I've never held my tongue with Ann. Well, who has held it against you on the conservative side?

I can't talk about that. But listen, you're also going soft on Israel? No. That's what I heard. I heard Ann. No, I will. And you can speak freely. No, no, no.

This is what it came from. Again, I was mad at Trump for not building the wall. That was every single rally. Every single rally build the wall. I think one time at an episode of Race Boys, he was on the phone with them yelling. That could well be. There was a lot of acrimony with him

not keeping his immigration promises. And also, I mean, he just seems like such a lazy... He wouldn't get out of bed to make a call to Congress could you fund I'm just going to keep tweeting and eating hamburgers in bed while Jared Kushner ran the country

I heard on a documentary all the rest is history podcast do you know who else was very lazy and wouldn't get out of bed before like 10am? Hitler I swear to God Do you know who else was very lazy and wouldn't get out of bed before 10 a.m.? Who? Hitler. I swear to God. That's true. That's right.

You're right. I swear to God. Look it up. Well, but that doesn't make you lazy. That just means you're a night person. I don't think Hitler. Hitler was known to be lazy. He was not detail-oriented.

Go ahead. I think it'd be hard to make the case that the guy was lazy. I mean, he- Well, you're not. Are you a historian? He's a two- No, but I just see what he did. Well the case that the guy was lazy. I mean, are you a historian? He's a two-year-old. No, but I just see what he did. Well, imagine what Trump has accomplished. Go ahead.

He wrote a book in jail. All right. He once saw his day without his 12 shots from his doctor. So I did on Twitter when midterms came up, and the only thing Republicans could talk about, they couldn't talk about ending anger babies. They couldn't talk about deportations. They couldn't talk about even starting the wall.

All they could brag about was moving the embassy. So I was making fun of that. And as I said on Twitter, the only person who could turn me against Israel is Jared Kushner. But no, I am still for Israel. And whoa, boy, especially now when it's so clearly the civilized against the barbarians since October 7th. Oh, I didn't know that. I really thought that you had people had told me that you had

got soured on being pro-Israel. No, I just made fun of moving the embassy. What about the United States financial, you know, the loan guarantees and the... To Israel? Yeah, and all that. When I, especially again now, I mean, it hits people like me

who really care about this country more than any other country. I don't even care about England as much. But it really hits you after something like 9-11 and then October 7th. Oh, my gosh. And by the way, you know, Jews are usually very good with real estate. I'm thinking Israel plopped down in the middle of raging murderous lunatics. May not be the best real estate decision you guys have made. Oh, it's too late now. Well, what do you think about like people like Tucker?

Hold on. We see it as more as there went the neighborhood. Exactly. I thought it, there went the neighborhood. Yeah, exactly. I thought it was, here comes the neighborhood. We're the indigenous people, the neighborhood. No, will you say what you've said before on the show? Tucker? On like all of this like guilty fight. Okay, she crossed her eyes.

Let the record show she crossed her eyes. Why? Because Tucker. So Tucker is being enamored now with Holocaust deniers. And Alex Jones blames the Jews for killing Kennedy. And Candace Owens. For killing Kennedy? For killing Kennedy.

I haven't been keeping up with Alex Jones. Go on. And also says Zion is controlling. No, I think this is a big problem. And it goes, I don't know. And Candace Owens. Big problem. And then J.D. Vance praises Alex Jones.

It's an ugly, ugly... I don't think he praised him. He went ahead and did the show. No, he said he's right about a lot of stuff, which is... And then I was listening to Glenn... That's a politician thing. To Glenn Greenwald and Tucker just last night.

And this is an amazing interview. Everybody should listen to it. But Greenwald and Tucker just last night, and this is an amazing interview. Everybody should listen to it. But Greenwald and Tucker are now blaming Israel for America's support of Ukraine. Because actually Israel is pulling the strings because by supporting Ukraine, somehow Israel is something advantageous about Syria and blah, blah, blah. So the Jews are really behind everything now. Do it. Duh. And when Trump passes from the scene,

Trump I really do trust, and everybody was rolling their eyes before the election when I said I trust Trump completely on Israel. Oh, yeah. And who did he appoint the most fucking pro-Israel people on the planet to be his inner circle? Stefanik, Rubio, somebody else, I don't know. Yeah, Huckabee.

Huckabee. Huckabee. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But MAGA in waiting, J.D. Vance, and those people who are not elderly boomers from Queens who spent their whole lives around Jews, I think they could flip in a minute. I don't think J.D. will.

He's solid. He's not an idiot. The other ones... They should not be... Flirting with this. You're absolutely right. It drives me crazy, and I would recommend... I can't believe I'm saying this because I'm always yelling at this friend of mine, who,

by the way, I was just saying one of my friends has his book banned from Amazon, and they want to talk about Johnny's first blowjob being taken off the shelves of a kindergarten. It's book burning! It's book burning! Anyway, and I complained to him because he— Oh, I know him. David Cole?

The doctor? No, no, no, no. This is a writer, and he's— But David Cole is sort of a Holocaust denier. Is that the same David Cole? They accuse him of that. No, he is not. He's made documentaries.

He found a concentration camp in France that the Holocaust Museum didn't know about that, and they use his footage. He is Jewish. But he's been going after these people. Every column is about how the right wing, there's at least like half the column, is flirting with the Nazis and flirting with anti-Semitism. And I've been complaining to him after every column saying, you know, I'm on Twitter all day. I never see these people you're complaining about. You're always raising, can you stop talking about the Nazis? So you ought to read him because he's all over this. And he says, no, Ann, yes, they are. Yes, they are. They think it's cute. They think it's impish.

And no, it's stupid. It's enraging. And I think he's right that they are just, they think they're being impish and they're being morons. And Tucker is very dangerous. And he specifically had Daryl Cooper on. Why relationship with Daryl Cooper? Really?

And yeah, and I like him. I mean, he's been very, we have a good conversation. He's very blunt with me. I'm blunt like him. I mean, we have a good conversation. He's very blunt with me. I'm blunt with him. A lot of things he believes in I find very disturbing. Like? But, no, just... Crazy stuff.

You can watch... I interviewed him. Well, the Churchill stuff. Yes. But according to his interview with me, he mentioned... Compositing a few different conversations, but this is an accurate narrative. He mentioned to Tucker the night before at dinner,

something about David Irving and some arguments in David Irving book. And he wasn't going to bring it up on the interview with Tucker. And Tucker dragged it out of him, this argument that the reason Churchill was put in power was because influential and rich Zionists wanted Churchill in power at that moment because he would go to war with Germany. That's hilarious. And Tucker didn't mention on the interview that it was from David Irving, who is the world's Holocaust denier.

But then Tucker let slip at some point and saying, like, we're putting people in, we should believe in free speech. And in Europe, they're putting people in, they're arresting people for free speech. And Tucker says, yeah, like in Austria. So I say, Austria? So I Google, what happened in Austria?

David Irving got in trouble in the law, in trouble with the law in Austria. He's a Holocaust denier, Holocaust denier. Right. Yeah, he's the grandfather. David Cole specifically wrote about that interview, and one thing that's great about him, he's more interested in the Holocaust than I am.

He knows all about it, every little thing, and he went through all the things that this guy was laughably wrong on, and he does it in a really devastating way, so you really should read him. And also one thing you reminded me of that I wanted to mention, because this annoyed me, he is wrong about this and I love him. The idea that Israel wants us to be at war in Ukraine.

Well, you know who said that? My pal, and I love him. This is the one time I've disagreed with him. Ben Shapiro. Oh, did he say that? Yeah, somebody asked him on an interview saying, now, doesn't it help Israel? You know, just because as long as we're we're looking at the whole rest of the world, if we're at war every place, don't you have to support the Ukraine war? And he said, yes. No, you don't. You really don't. No, I'm sorry. Israel is different.

At first, Israel was playing both ends against the middle. They didn't want to anger Putin. They have sympathies for Ukraine. I imagine that seeing Russia weakened is better for any Western-leaning nation. They would see it. But that's quite different than saying the reason the Biden administration is doing it

or the Europeans, or I mean, it's huge support for this war against Russia, is because the Jews are pulling the strings. And then Tucker, you know, very transparently was making allusions to the fact that Blinken, who is Jewish, is behind this policy now because Biden is supposedly out of the picture, which I don't think he is.

But anyway, as a Jew, the whole thing bothers me, and I'm so happy to know you're not. Oh, good grief, no. I had no idea. Oh, no, no. I made fun of moving the embassy. That's it. Yeah.

All right. Well, what else is on your mind these days, Anne? Oh, the one cabinet official I hate the most and I want to stop her, and I hope you'll all join forces with me, is the dog killer Kristi Noem. Kristi Noem. But not just because she killed the dog um it's because she's very very profoundly stupid um so governor of south dakota right um first of all i mean her first decision is always the wrong one south dakota is a really really red

state they have a fantastic legislature so the legislature has to keep vetoing her right something good happens and then she takes credit for it so for example she goes around bragging south dakota is the one state that never shut down for covid not churches no place well she asked for full authority to shut the state down and the legislature said no and then she took credit for it and she took credit for it she said she took credit for it. She said when Trump first came in, it took him a while to reduce the number of alleged refugees, and they're all fakes, to come in, but he said states

can turn down the refugees coming to their particular state. And Kristi Noem raises her hand. No, send the African refugees to poor little South Dakota. They need us. She gets attacked for that that and then she doesn't accept Afghan refugees.

Oh, and the trans bathroom thing! She kept vetoing a bill that the legislature passed not to allow boys in girls' bathrooms. Haters. And, yeah, grade school and so on. And that was apparently because the medical lobby,

at least this is what is alleged um was writing her big checks because they make a lot of money poisoning and mutilating adolescents but she's in the cabinet though she's in his cabinet well he's named her and unfortunately i think it's the most important cabinet position is department of homeland security that oversees all of immigration and she's missed you know give me more african refugees you by the way you have famously said that america has the best black people no rep are blacks republican blacks are better than our blacks did trump say that my african american yeah no our republican blacks are blacks are better than they are blacks theirs are all you know by the way on the trans bathroom,

I always thought that was kind of a red herring issue because, I mean, there's always been trans people and I'm assuming they've always been like trans. Using bathrooms. I assume they've always been using the bathroom of the sex they were dressed as. But it's amazing how the dam has broken on the ability to discuss this treatment of children and this early conversion and the gender affirming care.

I mean, there was a time when Perrielle would almost get up and walk out of the room if I said anything like that. Well, I don't know about that. And even Perrielle, I think, has moved to the right on that issue. No, I absolutely think trans kids should be able to use the bathroom. No, not on the bathroom. On gender affirming care. On the early surgery and the early drugs.

I've always said that trans kids who really need gender affirming care should get it. I don't think it should be handed out. You're open to the idea that it was a little bit of a social contagion or a lot of a social contagion. Was she ever not open to that idea? I don't recall her ever saying that that's an impossible notion. I do remember this. One time I said to her, listen, Perrielle, this is years ago. I said, someday you're going to have some boxer in a wig just kick the shit out of somebody on national TV and people are going to be repulsed by it.

And she said, yes. And she said, that will never happen. It didn't happen. But I also maintain that I just don't, just don't think that that's an important issue. I really genuinely don't. I think that trans people having a safe life is much more important to me than whether or not somebody gets to do sports. I really don't give a shit.

I actually agree with you, but we don't rate it just on what's more important. We have to deal with all of them. The first thing we need to do is get the dreamers out of here. Okay, now that's a good point. Okay, Dan, we read this paragraph out loud and I'm not good at reading

out loud. One of the most beautiful paragraphs in the English language. Is this what Ann wrote? Ann posted this from someone else's paragraph, but it's a good paragraph. The press will claim that as the Times put English language. Is this what Anne wrote? Anne posted this from somebody else's paragraph, but it's a good paragraph. But I think it's good. Well, the press will claim that, as the Times put it on November 6th, Trump is fostering culture wars. This standard left-wing trope holding that it is the right that wages a culture war is

the most absurd allegation in the mainstream media's portfolio of deranged distortions of reality. Here is how you wage a culture war. You ban teachers from telling parents that their child has changed his gender. I like it. You assign graphic novels depicting sex, in this case gay sex, to school children. Now how much would you pay? You make celebrations of sexual identity, in this case queer,

and every other type of non-heteronormative sexual identity a routine part of the school curriculum and calendar. You make race and sex, that is non-white race and non-male sex, a qualification for scientific hiring and research grants. Opposing those radical changes is not waging a war. It is belatedly trying to play defense.

That's Heather MacDonald. I just interviewed her yesterday. I'll post it this weekend. She is brilliant. Writes for City Journal. It was from one of her articles. And I just thought that was such a great paragraph. Yeah.

Well, do you want to say anything else about it? I was trying to use it as a launching for you to say more, but we can just leave it. Well, she said it all, I guess. She summed it up. Well, I'll say one thing about the trans using the bathrooms. I do think if you're such a good transgender, and I met one recently, and could not believe that this very pretty girl had been... Bill Schultz.

Well, it was Bill, yeah. Yeah, just take a look, gorgeous. I found out later that it was a trans, and he had been born, she had been born a male, and she was just a knockout and beautiful and um she i mean she told me at the table and the funny thing is all my friends were saying um you know finally ann meets a girl she likes but if you're that gorgeous yeah you can use the bathroom it's the ones who look like you know rachel levine you know of the Biden administration I don't want that one yeah that Claude coming into the ladies room listen trans people have been using the bathrooms that they identify as for decades and nobody's ever

paid attention to it I mean I would say that the likelihood that like why can't trans people use the bathrooms they want to use? What are they going to do? Well, there was a sexual assault. That guy, Jake Gardner, killed himself. Well, no, we only know about it because the guy killed himself. Okay, so fine. You know, I will say this to answer your question.

Can I just answer it? About the sexual assault? In fairness, I don't think if he was unauthorized to use the bathroom, that would have stopped the sexual assault in fairness I don't think if he was unauthorized to use the bathroom that would have stopped the sexual assault like if a guy wants to go sexually assault somebody

I can't go in there so I don't know if that would work I raised a daughter and I took her in the bathroom with me when she was young I wasn't not looking out

for trans people to attack her I just didn't want anybody around her that's right I think it's much more likely that straight men but when you get older,

you have to send her in by yourself. Yeah, but we always had unisex bathrooms in the city of New York. Okay, you can have a unisex bathroom. And everybody goes into the same place. I would much rather have my child in the bathroom with a trans person than with a straight male.

Agreed. Okay. To answer your question, you know, we talk a lot about listening to women. Well, we also have to listen to cis women. I had this argument, a family argument at a recent Passover. If cis women, i.e. biological women, want their own spaces where they wish

to exclude trans women, we have to listen to them and hear their point of view. We can try to persuade them otherwise, but we need to listen to them and why they feel uncomfortable having trans women in their spaces. J.K. Rowling can build herself her own fucking bathroom. Okay. I mean, this is not like

a real fear. It is a real fear. No, it's not. It's bullshit. It's totally manufactured. I want to know facts and figures of how many women

have been attacked ever. It doesn't matter if they're attacked. No, it does matter. It doesn't matter if they're attacked. No, it does matter. It doesn't matter. If they feel uncomfortable, we have to listen to them.

This is bullshit. This is like pulling over black men The problem is this. And you know this. Whatever happened to listening to people? It's bullshit. But you assume that cis women think like that.

There's not a real danger. There are some that do and we have to listen. Absolutely. And we have to listen to them. But you can't just make up. You don't want to listen to people? No, no, no.

Black people feel uncomfortable with a Confederate flag. Well, why? They never got attacked. No, that's ridiculous. We have to listen to them. If you're not in danger... If you're not in danger... Okay, so let's take it to the next step.

What if it's a nice guy with a Confederate flag? Now, what about in the locker room? No such thing. Now, what about in the locker room? When they want to change... And this is real. When they want to change in the locker room in front of my daughter. Now, that's where the locker room? When they want to change, and this is real, when they want to change in the locker room in front of my daughter.

Now, that's where I say, you know, that's too far for me. I don't mind the bathroom at all. I think the bathroom is actually a kind of bigotry because it really doesn't matter. But the locker room is not a kind of bigotry. But what locker room? I don't remember changing and looking at boys' pieces.

You have trans women changing in a gym locker room. They're playing in girls' sports. The cross-country teams, the swimming teams. Where was Leah Thomas going into the locker room? They wouldn't have let me on the women's swimming team. Not because I'm a biological male, but I can't swim. All right, anyway. I mean, I don't know.

I really think that, like, the numbers here are important. Yeah. Like, what's really happening here that like everybody's so upset about? The point of the paragraph I think is, and I think is why Anne liked it so much, is that it's a revisionist history. The real history has been communities

minding their own business, living the way they want to live. And then some ACL New York Jew shows up and says, we don't like the way you're showing the Ten Commandments in your school. We don't like the way you do the bathroom. And they come in and we're going to make all these changes to your community.

And then they object. Oh, culture war. No, we started the culture war because we can't live and let live. So you're blaming the Jews for this. Well, we haven't been absent from this. Well, we're not absent from anything on any side. We're not absent from that side.

We're probably not absent from the other side. But my father in his infinite wisdom. Jay Selkowicz is a big attorney for the other side. You're right. My father in his wisdom, and Sherrod knew my father very well. He was always very sensitive to this. I remember years ago when Jews in Manhattan would start to bristle about Christmas carols being sung in public school.

My father would say, what does it matter? Even the ones we wrote? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Isaiah Berlin. He says, we're so happy in this country. Why would we want to start making them change the way they live? That's the price they have to pay for giving us this wonderful home in America? Let them have their Christmas carols.

Who cares? That's true. He couldn't understand that. But we've seen that small thing carried on to many other different issues. By the way, Elton John and Ed Sheeran have a wicked Christmas song. Really? I forgot what it's called, but it's relatively new. I put it in the pantheon of great Christmas song. I forgot what it's called, but it's relatively new. I put it in the pantheon of great Christmas songs.

There are absolutely civil libertarian people, not just Jews, who would want to see the national Christmas tree brought down. That's crazy. Which is a pagan ritual. It has nothing to do with Jesus. It did have to do with Jesus.

Even if it did have to do with Jesus. Technically, yes, if you want to interpret the First Amendment in a way that the founders probably never even conceived of, it does mean that. But you don't have to win every battle. Let it go. Even Andrew Sullivan says this about the gay rights movement. He says, let them not make the birthday, the wedding cake. We want it ready. But can we agree that we have much bigger problems, like real problems in this country,

like the education system, like the prison. Much bigger quote unquote fish to fry. I'm serious. It's insane that these things are not being focused on. We have to wrap it up. Anne, you're the best guest ever. You're the most fun people to talk to.

We have a few more minutes. Do you want to say anything? Well, I want to ask, Anne, she had mentioned earlier that we want to bring in the best immigrants. Who would that be if you were in charge? How white do you and and and are muslims off the list as a as a matter of you know only if they're really hot um would i let them in he has a weakness i offered back when trump and i were speaking when he was running for office i said you can turn over the

entire immigration bureaucracy to me i will decide every case before breakfast. I just want a picture, name, country, age. Want to know how many work years we're going to get out of them. I'll just flip through them. It's not a hard decision. In, out, in, out. I'm a luxist. It's like Tinder for you, huh? It would be like Tinder. That is how I would do it, and I would be right 90%

of the time. And now, do you favor a particular racial categorization? Good looking, hot, high IQ. She's looking for, you know, can read and fuckable. So I'm basically looking for charade. Thank you. Here I am.

Were you a popular girl in high school? Were you one of the hot chicks at New Canaan High? New Canaan High? Yes, I'm a public school girl. There was a lot of stiff competition there. Yeah, there were a lot of pretty girls. I sure didn't think of myself as hot. By the way, Candace Owens is a Stanford High graduate. And she sued for racism.

Did you know that? I think I read something about that. Is that true? Yep. She's probably right. No, I remember reading about it in a David Cole column, and apparently it was not a very legit case you wouldn't actually keep muslims out or would you no i remember i was dating one during 9-11 while while suggesting we bomb them no but the thing about muzzies is um we and this is in my book adios america we used to get exactly to my point the highly

educated civilized ones like the iranians the ones who came in before the 70s it was the teddy kennedy immigration act you probably heard me mention it before who switched the rules to specifically bring in the most dirt poor dissonant cultures and dump them on our culture and I think we do better with educated people. But when we were bringing in Irish and all that it wasn't the most educated people coming from Ireland. Well for one

thing, glad you mentioned that that was before we had a welfare state. Do you know half of Italians went back? They used to go back. But that was involuntary too. They would meet them at the boat and say they had some kind of ideas. Didn't they just go, but they only went back. They used to go back. But that was involuntary, too. They would meet them at the boat and say they had some kind of I just ease or something. But they only went back

after they whacked the police chief. Fair point. And had to go back to lay low. Yeah. Yes. Fair point. How does Noam not respond to that Godfather reference?

Immigrants used to go home. Now they're sunk into a warm bath of welfare. If we could have a totally laissez-faire immigration system, but first we're getting rid of the entire welfare state

and first it's easier to get rid of the law of gravity. Do you think that America should maintain its Christian majority? I think it should maintain its WASP majority. Whoa. Well, that's already gone.

It's basically gone, but it is, I mean, I write a little about this in Adios America. You don't actually have to be a wasp. Samuel Huntington, the Harvard professor who wrote Who Are We? And I highly recommend his book. He said all religions come to America and become Protestants. And it totally happened to the Catholics. I think it's happening to the Mormons right now. And it's more just like an attitude toward things. A lot of what made religion. But it all comes from that sort of,

that culture. And most Americans don't even realize how much they are imbued with the WASP culture. But yes, I think that culture should be maintained and we should have citizenship ceremonies and you can be a Muslim, you can be my friend, I have many immigrant

friends from very different, dissonant cultures and they're waspier than most wasps I know and I like that. But is that a waspy thing or is that an American thing? It's an American thing. Michael Moynihan, wasp or not a wasp? Though being waspy is an American, and by the way, who were the champion wasps?

Still are. The Jews. All of those Hollywood movies, Christmas in Connecticut, the Isaiah Berlin, Christmas songs you talk about. Ralph Lauren, that is waspy.

Complete wasp style. But that's the real American dream is to come here where you're not a white person and come here to be a white person. Yes. That's the American dream. But I wouldn't say just white. It's more the whole culture of being, to be a white person. Yes. That's the American dream. But I wouldn't say just white.

It's more the whole culture of being, to be American. Well, Jews knew how to, we think American, but I'm, and not realizing

that what we are talking about is the Ralph Lauren WASPy culture. Well, but Jews knew how to sell that culture. Right. But I don't know

if they really, I don't know what goes on inside Ralph's house. Right. For all I know, Ralph is like, hey, what did the Goyim do? Fucking Jackie Mason for all I know. But he knows how to sell it.

You know how to package it because he was outside of looking at it. I don't think so. I do not think so. These are very tricky issues. I think that America has done very well by bringing in Muslim people.

We've had, you know, we haven't had the problem that Europe is having. They are having a real problem in Europe. Oh, boy. And to say for them to- All of Europe? No. Germany, maybe,

but they had a low birth count anyway, so they needed the work. What do you mean? Sweden, Holland, France. It's all over. England. You mean where you can get the best street food in Amsterdam? No, no. The problem is that, and again, there's a theory in what's possible

and then there's the empirical reality. The empirical reality seems to be in America has not had this problem. A little bit maybe now in Dearborn, but for the most part, it hasn't had it when you have. And Ilhan Omar's district. That's pretty bad. When you,

when you, when you have a large number of people coming in that comes in, not assimilate, not doesn't come in loving the values of America, but comes in kind of derisive of American values, this is a recipe for friction and maybe disaster. I hear you. And Europe is struggling with that now,

not because they're Muslims and they want to pray five times a day. God bless them. Do what you want. But because they are not happy with the dominant culture. They actually intend to change it. They openly say it. It's because the dominant culture never really sees them as them. You can come in and never be Swedish because you're not going to France.

Is that why they're throwing Jews in the fucking rivers? No, don't say that. The point is that, no, it's not really a right or wrong. I'm just asking. Hold on. I'd make the same argument if Saudi Arabia began to bring in hundreds of thousands of Italians. Yeah.

I would say, that's not going to work out. It's not a value judgment of the Italians. Right. It's the idea of bringing the oil culture in with the vinegar culture in and saying, okay, guys, how's that going to... But Italians did that in Ethiopia. They did that in Somalia. It had to work out in Ethiopia. It didn't work out well at all, but who how's that? But Italians did that in Ethiopia. They did that in Somalia. It didn't work out in Ethiopia.

It didn't work out well at all, but who died from it? So, and Thomas Sowell, you know, there's a Twitter account, Thomas Sowell Quotes. I'm not going to read from it now, but he has a lot of, he's such a genius. I know. And he writes a lot about this, the idea that to say that all cultures are the same

is just nonsense. Yes. But we can respect each other's culture without, you know, killing one. Right, and that's easier if we don't live together. When you import people, you import cultures. Those cultures no longer give way to the American culture when multiculturalism is a dogma and its apostles and activists make it necessary for American laws, language and culture to give way. Right. This is a problem.

Yeah. That's a soul quote. You just that's a soul quote. Yeah. Yeah. So you always said about your dad how he was really touched by how people who would work for him would come here from other countries and then they would love America and that he did also. Before 9-11, this wasn't on the radar. I remember my father,

we had mostly Egyptians and stuff working here, and my father would be like over the moon when one of them would get their citizenship, when he would go and he'd drive them to the courthouse. Privately, he spoke to me very bluntly about things. It was nothing but isn't this a great country? Look, they come from Egypt, they come from here, and they all want to be Americans.

I don't think he'd be saying that today, at least not with the same confidence, because we're seeing certain things to the contrary. We're seeing the idea, especially for immigrants of that generation, to see another immigrant community burning an American flag and saying, death to America, is so horrendous. It's not like black people burning American flag and saying death to America is so horrendous. It's not like black people burning a flag and saying, shit, we made the flag. We can burn it. No, because my father

would be sympathetic to that. At least, you know. They're oppressed. They have resentment. They were brought here in chains. We fought these wars. We fought every war. But the idea of deciding to come here and then death to America was like, what the fuck?

Get out. Right? This is a natural reaction. Then get the fuck out. You don't come to my house and say, fuck your couch. Yes. Yes.

Yeah. And now people, so I want to just be very careful because I don't want anybody to take it, God forbid, as some sort of bigotry. Like even, even, not even. And I know that

Anne can get misconstrued that way. And actually, in this conversation, I thought Anne and I were going to disagree much more than we did. I don't agree with her about most of, not most, a large part of what she says about immigration I don't agree with.

But I agree with a good amount of it. But we can still talk and be cordial and have different opinions and not get mad at people who don't have the same opinions. Let's go on the table. Do we need to control the border? Yes.

Do we need to deport some number of people who came here recently? Only the ones taking my spots at the comedy section. No joke. Go on record. Do we have to deport? We've got to deport people, yes. Yes. If they're illegal, they're illegal.

So if they're illegal, then they should be deported. Not all of them, right? Yes, all of them. Well, look, there has to be a certain amount of respect for the law. If you don't want them to be illegal, then pass a law saying they're not illegal. But if they're illegal, and they're allowed to stay. Some amnesty, some deportation. At the same time, we got shows like 90 Day Fiance.

It's like, you can go on a TV show, marry somebody, divorce them in a month, and be in. Now, Perrielle, let's see you not answer this question go ahead i think that as long as they're trans they can stay all right good night everybody