The Comedy Cellar: Live from the Table - Bonus Episode #10 with Dov Davidoff

Episode Date: September 11, 2020

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are thrilling. Okay. It's Live from the Table, the official podcast of the New York City's world famous comedy seller. That was Procol Harum's Wider Shade of Bale. That comes to us from 1967.

Still sounds as good today as it did then. Classic rock never dies. Welcome everybody. I'm here with Dan Natterman. I'm here with Dov Davidoff, co-host of the Comedy Cellar Live from the Table bonus episode and Perrie L. Ashton brand producer and on-air personality in her own right. Though it didn't start off that way, it has evolved in that direction. We certainly are the better for it uh how is everybody doing on after six months or so of lockdown or whatever you know pandemic whatever look i've had enough we've all had enough i mean who hasn't had enough i think i

think it's the collective cry from the people all over the world is we've had enough well there was a uh in the post there was an article today um, the Post, you know, take it with a grain of salt, it's the New York Post, but it said that the lockdown was a mistake. The whole thing was a mistake. And again, a lot of people have expressed that. It's now looking like the lockdowns may have been a huge mistake, reports Michael Barone at the New York Post. We're locked down to mistake to that nagging question. The answer increasingly seems to be yes. And again, this is not a new idea, but. Well, but, but, but I mean, just, I mean,

I don't want to contradict Mr. Barone. I mean, he's an expert. If ever there was one, A failure in what regard? In terms of the likelihood of it being better had we locked down more consistently on a federal level or relative to Sweden were a failure? I think that the idea of the article, and I was just going through it right now, that Sweden would have been a more appropriate way of dealing with the problem.

Because the net loss in terms of human life probably wouldn't have been much worse, and the net gain in productivity and lack of suicide in the economic. Yeah, because there, because according to the article, there were, there is not just economic costs, which can be substantial, but people didn't go to the doctor for, uh, or for other problems. Right. Hospitals were busy. And of course there's the mental health issues involved. And then, uh, and then we look at Sweden and we see that, well, they didn't have a lockdown and, and they did, they certainly had a fair number of deaths, but it wasn't much more,

if at all, more than we had here. But anyway, that's his opinion. Does he have any medical training or background, Mr. I even reported to the New York Post, Perry Alley. He doesn't need an MD. You know that. Well, I don't know that he does, but he certainly can look at statistics and he can look at those sorts of things. And medical people are very focused on medicine, so they may not look at

economic factors. They may not look at mental health factors if they're epidemiologists. So, you know, you need to look at a range of factors and a range of considerations. And anyway, well, all will be known in time. I'm just saying, you know, I think at some point, we'll know whether this was a mistake in hindsight. I don't know that we can say definitively yes or no at this point, but we see i think i thought that sweden had like

more deaths than canada um i don't know what population you mean per capita i wonder here let's see sweden sweden deaths um i don't know what the population is relative to canada i mean how many people are in sw? We have 5,837 deaths reported in Sweden as of when this article came out. 10 million, and Canada has 30 million. 30 million? Yes. Okay, so how many deaths in Canada? 6 million people in Sweden.

I think. It said 10. 10.23 million. But either way, if that were the case and they have the same number of deaths, then you are three times less likely to have died in Canada on a per capita basis. Canada's up

almost 40 million people in Canada. Oh, wow. Things have really almost 40 million people in Canada. Oh wow, things have really been urbanizing up that way. When I started dating Jessica, it was a mere 10. It really had an explosion. Canada COVID deaths are 9,146. How many was in Sweden? About 6,000. So yeah, substantially higher per capita in Sweden than Canada. Well, I mean, yes, but we'd also have to take into consideration how long it's been going on there for relative to when cases began hitting in Canada. I mean, for all we know. I understand that Sweden is, you know, not at the, Sweden is like in the middle in terms of deaths per capita. Anyway, you know, we'll see.

Again, all will be known in time and whether or not this was a big mistake or it could have been done. You know, hindsight is 20-20. I guess we did the best we could and we'll see if it, you know, if it was ultimately the right decision. I am going, I mean, how much longer is this going to go?

Like how much fucking longer can we take this for? Well, I don't know how much longer we can, I guess we don't have a choice, right? But they just opened in Jersey, not New York City, I don't think yet. Dan, you can't go in a restaurant yet in New York. No, not in New York, you can't go in there. You can go in there to use the shitter.

Yeah, yeah. You're buying food if you're, of course, by all means. In other words, if I'm there to eat outside, I say I go to the bathroom. I go inside, I go to the bathroom. Yeah, you put on a mask and you walk inside. But in Jersey, you're allowed to have a squirt. Yeah, you got to take a leak. You know what I mean?

I mean, what are you going to do? On the sidewalk, like an animal? You take a leak. You know what I mean? I mean, what are you going to do? On the sidewalk like an animal? You take a leak, you go in a restaurant. But in Jersey, you're allowed now 25% capacity indoors. And so I don't know what that means for New York City. I know that gyms, Cuomo said, are beginning to- Gyms have opened. You got to make an appointment.

You got to make- You got to make an appointment. You've got to make an appointment. You've got to make an appointment. And from what I've heard from my sources... Yeah, no steam. No steam. No steam. For me... Ariel, you know Dan's king of the steam.

I'm king of the steam. That's sort of a deal breaker. If I can't have a steam after a workout... What's the sense of working out for God's sake? All right, I need that reward. Very tough for me to get motivated to work out without the promise of a nice steam. Such a steam.

Such a steam. And you have to wear a mask in the steam room, right? The steam room is closed in either case. So I don't know if I'll be running back to the gym anytime soon is what I'm saying. I guess you just make a series of appointments in advance and then there's some sort of limit on how many people that they can have. And I, you know, I look, I, you got to wonder, I mean, whether or not, I guess if there is

a vaccine, don't we need time to determine how effective the vaccine will be before we just open the doors again? And if that's the case, how much time? And does that mean if we had a vaccine today, we're still dealing with six months of restriction? I don't know. I don't know how long we need. Trump is talking about a vaccine in November, but, you know, take that with a grain of salt obviously right yeah he's gonna push through a vaccine listen i had a conversation with um a scientist a few days ago who does cancer research for a living um now he said that the shortest amount of time that is ever taken to turn around a vaccine, a safely vetted vaccine, was four years for the measles. Wow.

Yeah, we're going, we're putting everything into it. So I can't say that it's impossible to do it much quicker if all of our resources are being put in that i asked i asked a physician about this and he he seemed to think that because of the global kind of um there's been a the the level of resources devoted to this for some reason seems to be much greater than has been devoted in the past and he thought the probability and speed of a vaccine was vastly higher than it would be otherwise and maybe perhaps that all of the technology the technological evolution in that you know in labs and shit what do i know i should i should shut up i'm not i i don't know what to think about what's going on

in the lab well in any case um, I know you wanted to talk a bit about gender reveal parties. Gender reveal. But I know you had mentioned to me that that was... Was something going on with gender reveal parties and fires or something? Well, I mean, California... You texted me.

Yeah, what happened? California is burning to the ground. I mean, there's like 7,000 acres. It's been like 127 degrees there for the past few weeks. Yeah, but what about the gender reveal part? That was how it started. Somebody had like a pyrotechnics blue or pink smoke reveal. Do you know what a

gender reveal party is? Are you familiar with this? I guess that's when you reveal the gender of your baby. Right, which is in my opinion an idiotic notion to begin with, but that aside...

It's a news for a party and this one has burned 8 500 acres at this point for god's sake and was it a boy or a girl at least at least apparently if it was was it pink perriel i don't know that it was blue or pink i just know that there was a color involved well i read on Twitter that David... It's funny. Every story is about the piece of the forest that's burning down,

and none of them are talking about whether or not this baby was a boy or a girl, a masculine child. Yeah, I mean, that's sort of... You'd think that that would be in the article somewhere. By the way, it was a boy. By the way, it was a boy. I don't know what color.

It may not be the main focus of the article, but it would have to be. It's not the headline. You know, I understand some forest got burnt up, but this was some child. This is a masculine child. The general reveal is prior to the giving birth, right? I mean, because otherwise it would just be the party for the birth. Yeah, for the birth. Yeah, that's right.

So it's like, I guess sometimes people do this thing where it's like they open a box and like blue balloons fly out or pink balloons fly out. Or they like cut open a cake and like pink sprinkles come out. Yeah, yeah, such a sprinkle. Do you know, is this a recent phenomenon, this ridiculousness? People having gender reveal. Was it created by a liquor company? I mean, what marketing genius?

I mean, you know, it's like diamonds are a girl's best friend. You know, the marketer that came up with that slogan is responsible for creating an industry. That was De Beers mining. That was De Beers mining. That was De Beers, yes. But prior to De Beers saying that, oh, where's this young boy? We may have a special guest. We may have a special guest, look at this.

Jessica, come say hi to Dan. Come here, buddy. Come say hi online, look at this. Oh, he's too cute. Look at this boy. Come here, buddy. Come say hi online. Look at this. Oh, he's too cute. Look at this boy. Hello, Emerson. Show Perrielle your feet.

Hello. Look at that feet. Mama. No, that's not Mama. That's Perrielle. Though under different circumstances, perhaps it could have been in another world. Yes, you want to come say hi to Dan?

Come here. Hey, Em, say hi to Uncle Dan. Dan got a haircut about a month ago, but it still looks a lot better than when he didn't have a haircut for three months during the pandemic. Yes! Show how you race on the motorcycle.

Go, vroom, vroom! All right? Emerson, what do you think about gender reveal parties, Emerson? I'm all about the gender reveal party out there in california that it started that forest fire that's now raging across 120 degree california gender reveal was that a thing do you know there's 10 more million 10 million more people in Canada than you? Precisely. Vroom! Alright, anyway, I don't know that this is fascinating.

We didn't have a gender reveal party for Jessica when Emerson was revealed. When was Emerson? We had a gender reveal party. I don't remember that being a thing when I was a kid. That's not mama, you understand? That's Perriella. I'm a respect for your mother. It's a pair of tits. It's mama, as far as he's concerned. He's a pair of tits. It's mama.

Come say hi to Dan. She seems like a good girl. All right, Em. Em, dog. Yes, yes, yes. Yes, yes, yes. Bedtime. All right, Em.

All right, Ben. Go to bed. No. No. He doesn't want to Go to bed. No. No. He doesn't want to go to bed. Why would he? Life is too fun. I like bed.

There's nothing for me here in the conscious world. Say hi, Dad. Jess, say hi. Say hi. You're walking through. But a kid like Emerson where every day is fun. Everything's fun. I remember going to bed as a kid it was horrible

why a bed when life is so great why do i want to i can't wait to get there it was horrible everything was fun during the day and also in the 70s when i was growing up if god woke up in the middle of the night and couldn't get back to sleep you were alone in a way that simply doesn't exist anymore. Now you go online, I mean, there's always something to do. But if you woke up at like four in the morning in the 70s and the 80s, Yeah. Isolation was so terrible.

So horrible. Nothing on television. Oh, I was so isolated. And you felt a level of loneliness. It was Such a loneliness. Such loneliness. So profound. Anyway, gender reveal.

So the thing is, is that first of all, you know, there's a whole movement articulating that, you know, you're assigning these people genders at birth. What's that? There is a whole movement based on an ideology that articulates that you are assigning these newborns a gender at birth that they may grow up to not identify with. Yes, that is true. So you're saying this is a contradiction of that idea. We're saying, well, we're having a big party to say he's a boy. He may not be a boy. He may not be a boy. Well, he may be a boy or not feel like a boy, in which case he's not a boy, which is another paradoxical outcome of a gender reveal. So it's a... I mean, you could say it's a biological gender. I'd say it's a chromosomal reveal.

Yes. It's a chromosomal reveal yes we will decide at a later time right and by the way we don't even know how late that time is you could have a gender reveal party in that case in your 40s sure I mean at what point if you feel like I like the, or even, you know, and from what I understand, if sexuality is fluid, gender is fluid, you may not be a man or a woman, in which case your reveal is that you don't know what you are. Yeah, of course.

A non-binary. A non-binary reveal. I think the answer to that question is you feel it before you know you feel it. In other words, I think a two or three-year-old might might feel like a girl but not be able to express it verbally right so it's a stupid concept because the concept of binary gender is created it does work it does work for most people most people that are born male become well but you could say that about you know you could say that about being gay and straight too right i mean there's a there's a significant

portion of the population that does not identify as one or the other but where where are the boundaries at what point can we just can we also feel as though we were born the wrong race, in which case I reveal that I am a Puerto Rican woman? Well, Rachel Dolezal made that point. Yes, she did, didn't she? Right. But it didn't seem to be accepted in the same way that a transgender person that identifies as something else has been largely accepted,

at least in polite urban society Well Rachel Rachel everybody made fun of her and nobody backed her up legitimate psychological condition I won't call it an illness in the case of Transgender and the others consider just some crazy chick right, you know It feels this way. And because it's hard to imagine any week, whatever. Yeah. don't but it's hard to imagine anyway whatever um oh um yeah i mean it's any any where nobody was black who wouldn't

still feel a transgender boy would probably still feel something going on that didn't seem to match his... Perhaps he was a bit different from the other kids in the yard, you know. I missed what you said because I lost... Say you did an experiment where you raised children, male children, without any females around. You put them in a world of... ...to behave in ways that we associate with females. Because I said that Rachel Dolezal, if she had never seen a black person,

she would probably, she would not feel anything was amiss. She would just, it's cultural and social. And she, you know, the reasons are not by. Yeah, it's a bit like being visited by a Christian God. And coincidentally, you happen to be a Christian, you know, I mean, you had not grown up with Christianity when you had been visited by the same faith or the one that you grew up in. So it's that nature nurture thing,

but it does speak to the notion that, that, that what does it mean to inherently not embody your, your original experience of your body, of your own gender. If you don't know what it is that you're missing by way of some other model my understanding from you know having spoken to and sort of researched and written extensively or you know i don't know moderately maybe not extensively about it is that people who are trans do you feel like there's something wrong um before they have the language to be able to articulate

exactly what that is like they feel like they're in the wrong body or they feel disconnected in a way, you know, when they're as young as three years old, even. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Not everyone, I'm sure. What's that? Not everyone, I would imagine. But by and large, that's been my understanding from... It happens pretty young, it starts. You know, the American Indian, there were a number of cases of people in American Indian villages, and they sort of largely found a kind of...

I read that there was an acceptance of sorts and that these people were instead of born different were thought of as some sort of potential special aspect to them that made them different from average but not worse they suffer the same way uh because the the treatment of choice for tramping transgender for gender dysmorphia is to have a sex reassignment surgery. That was not available to the American Indian. Well, they were called two spirits, I believe. They were called two spirits.

The question is, is there a way to live with being transgender without having a surgery? Sure. Well, you dress up. You dress in a deerskin skirt you dress as as as an indian you don't ride with the warriors baby you make soup that's what you do but it but but but with these indians even though they were accepted in these particular cultures even though they were

accepted maybe even revered as some spirit kind i have a very difficult time imagining the indian chief not giving a wink to one of his top warriors when this guy walks through dressed like a woman even revered as some spirit kind of... I have a very difficult time imagining the Indian chief not giving a wink to one of his top warriors when this guy walks through dressed like a woman. I have a very difficult time accepting that. It's hard to imagine, but... Yes. But were these Indian transsexuals,

these American Indian transsexuals... So sweet. ...still revulsed by their own body, even though they might have been accepted culturally? Well, that's right. Yeah. Well, I think that there is... In other words, is it necessary? Is a sex reassignment surgery absolutely necessary

for the well-being of a transgender person? For some people, yes. And for other people, no. Some trans people do not identify as trans based on their genitals. So we identify, we've made that, like, if you have a penis, you're a male. And if you have a vagina, you're female. But there are some trans people for whom that's not relevant. There are others who feel extreme body dysmorphia, but there are lots of people

who don't want gender reassignment surgery. Well, there's Bailey J I brought up just a few moments ago. You may know her, Peril. She is a adult actress and a fine one. No. A Bailey J. I believe I have heard you talk about her before. Born male.

She has, but she had, she has, I guess she takes hormones. She has breasts, she has curves, but she also has a little something between her legs that is not generally thought of uh as female no it's not generally thought of no it's just enormous penis tremendous very very well in the adult film world i wonder if i had her here i would ask her whether or not she would have bottom surgery they call it were it not for her career as a as a as a pornographic actress well you know it's thought of is is really sort

of in poor taste to ask trans people what they have in between their legs well in her case we all know what she has I know but I'm fine I, we could have her on the show and if it's appropriate, you know, you could. Well, again, in her case, we all know what she has down there. It's certainly no secret. Right, but she's been a fixation of straight people for, you know, decades. If you go back to when trans people

were treated like freaks on like the Jerry Springer show and the Richard Bay show in the 90s and they are or even more things that are sort of less distasteful you know have you had bottom surgery and it's like well it's not really any of anybody's business I mean you wouldn't ask somebody else that question right I don't think it's relevant though unless you want it to suck it if we're discussing body dysmorphia, I do think it's relevant.

Also, there are some guys that are only attracted to women with cucks. That's their thing, baby. That's their thing. So, you know, it's fair to say that maybe burning 8,000 acres isn't the only reason to stop having gender reveal parties. Although it's a... I'm of a mind where if there's an excuse for a party, I'm all for it. isn't the only reason to stop having gender reveal parties. Although it's a- I'm of a mind where if there's an excuse for a party,

I'm all for it. Do you know? Yeah. If the kid turns out not to be that gender, fine. But at least we got to hang out and have some barbecue. You know what, Dan? Yeah, at this point, I feel like I might even give in and go to a gender party.

As far as burning, you know, however many acres they burn, obviously, I'm not on board with that. No. No, not a controversial position, by the way. A lot of people are not on board with burning 8,500 acres. Every time you find out your kid's got a cock, a lot of people are not on board with that. You know, it's hard to imagine that that trans people were more readily accepted 300 years ago by a tribe somewhere on the plains

of the Midwest somewhere than they were in 1985. You can learn from ancient cultures. The wisdom of the ancients. Yes, Joseph Campbell or Joseph Candle. Yeah. from ancient cultures the wisdom of the ancients yes joseph campbell or joseph candle yeah yeah every indian tribe i might have just been some indian tribes that no but this isn't a lot of cultures i lived in thailand when i was in my 20s for a year and there is an entire segment of the

population that are called katois and they're quote I mean the direct translation is ladyboys and they're completely integrated into society in every they're selling ice cream they're teaching dance to students in like little kids um and culturally they're accepted in a way that seems sort of radical in other places. We have much to learn from the Thai people. Not just about that, but about whatever they put in that Tom Ka Gai

soup. Oh, tremendous soup. Tremendous. They got a lemongrass and a coconut milk. You serve it. You serve it by a couture if you're you're served by a couture if you're lucky you get a couture oh yes oh there's nothing there's nothing like a tom car guy and a couture to really spice up an afternoon i mean my friend tim was um a sort of very alpha guy when I was living there.

You know, he was sort of like this tough New York guy. Tim had a pension, did he? What? Tim had a pension for the couture? No. But, you know, he had this really sort of alpha energy. And like a New York accent. Not much unlike yourself, Dub. Well, listen, I don a New York accent, not much unlike yourself, Dov.

Well, listen, I don't get into a catoi. I never had an epiphany in Thailand that drove me into a male whorehouse. So maybe we don't have that one to come. Well, he was, you know, there was this, we went out, we went partying and there was a really beautiful girl who was hitting guys. Oh my Lord. That's a line i'm not really and he took her back to um you know we lived in a hotel because we were all working and living well her is a very nice word for what he took back to his room because if a cotoy has a has a thai pole i believe they call it a thai pole or a uh a chicken satay sometimes they call it a Thai pole or a chicken satay. Sometimes they call it. That is not something that I'm willing to engage with.

You know, you never, I think that you don't really know until you're in this situation. And yet I kind of know, I kind of know that I'm not back at the door. Oh, you're saying you don't know. Yeah, you're saying. No, I was. No, no, no, no, you don't know. But I was saying, I don't think you necessarily know. And he, you know, he said at the end, he was like, you know what?

A blow job's a blow job. And I have nothing but regard for the man's dedication. But I just feel like I, I wonder if he truly didn't know that this was a toy and thought it was a woman. Totally. A hundred. They are. So you would, I mean, I wonder if he truly didn't know that this was a Katoi and thought it was a woman. Totally, 100%. I mean, they are so, you would, I mean, so passable. You would never.

Totally, I hear what you're saying and I'm sure that's possible, especially after somebody's been drinking a significant amount. But I was in a party, we were in Vegas somewhere and I was with Jess and we were gonna take this. We met a Thai-ish, you know, Asian-y looking that, that, that, that caramel Thai skin. So, so sweet, so smooth. And, and we met her and she said

that she was willing to go out with us and, you know, we were going to shake it up threesome style, you understand? And we got into the hallway and I saw a little something that made me feel like maybe it's not traditionally what we think of as a non-couture and i said you've got to show you got to you got to lift this skirt up sweet before you get back into my room you got to show me that you lack a pole i do not want to fall under the old hood i don't want to be surprised listen was it a toy at the end of the day it was a good toy if ever there was one you you understand? This was a Katoi. I mean, you had a,

this was, I mean, this was a six-inch Katoi it had under the hood. That sounds like one of the alien species in Star Trek, the Katois, you know? It was a Katoi, that's exactly what it was.

It's like T'Pau, which was Spock's mother, I believe it was. Yes, we landed on planet Katoi and got ourselves a steam. We had a steam. But you were attracted to her before you knew that. I was attracted to her before I knew she was a black woman.

It's a question. You can say that, yes. Yeah, so. Oh yes. Well, listen. Katoi's in the Romulan. Let's say if you were attracted to somebody before you found out they were a white supremacist,

I mean, look, there are certain aspects to someone's physicality and or character that can eliminate attractiveness. And nothing does that for me like a six inch, a cotoy pole. I don't like a pole. I would fuck the white supremacist. I mean, I don't have to date her. I mean, I don't have to, we don't have to discuss ideology, but she's hot. No. You wouldn't because you're a female. You think differently.

You look, women are more, you know, they're less physically, you know, visually stimulated. You think? Than a man. A man, if we're attracted physically to a woman, we'll generally. If you were, you would fuck like a Nazi,

like a full Nazi white supremacist? Dog style, not missionary. No, no, no, no. Whatever it would be, you know, and yes, yes. And I mean, who's to say I haven't? I don't think so. But, but generally, yeah, we can divorce the physical from everything else.

Yeah. You know, I don't know. This gender stuff to me seems really constructed in a lot of ways. In that much of it is not nature, but the opposite? Yeah. Like, I'm just thinking, like, if you met a girl who was really hot, and you took her home, and you had sex with her, and you really liked her, and then you found out later that 10 years ago she had had gender reassignment surgery. I mean, who cares? Well, if she didn't have a piece. If she looked a hundred percent like a woman.

Yeah. Okay. No. Right. But that, you know, at that point, I mean, that doesn't necessarily matter. I mean, she can't have a baby. So if that's an issue, then that could be a problem. I mean, you would never,

I mean, that's not like something that if you're just having sex with somebody, you'd never be happy. Can you have a baby? If a woman looked 100% like a woman, you couldn't tell whether she has a uterus or not. It's not really of great import to me. I don't know that it's to

Dove, but you know, excuse me. Yeah, no, but... Again, who said I haven't done what you just described? Probably not, but... Dove is going through his Rolodex. He's cycling a second.

No, no, no. I never. I never. I never got involved with a couture. You're talking about somebody that's had full surgery and that's indistinguishable from a woman. Right, right.

I mean, I don't know that a trans woman can ever be indistinguishable on close inspection. For sure. I mean, you're not going down there with a monocle. woman can ever be indistinguishable for sure on close inspection for sure I mean you're not like going down there with a monocle or or is he you know I don't know if

I don't know that Dan doesn't wear a monocle in the shack everybody has their own proclivities you understand I'd like to see Dan down I think it's rare that somebody could pass at that completely and totally. Yeah, certainly it's uncommon, yeah. I don't know.

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today only at My Boogie, myboogie.ag. Don't you dare pass up this opportunity. Although many of these lines historically, I would imagine it served some aspect of our culture and our evolution, right? Especially when, I don't know, I guess if they're, you know, like the notion of a nuclear family like yeah it's not it isn't a genetic type of mandate that serves evolutionary needs but it's

a societal construct because you need to know who's responsible for the kid if you don't live in a 20 person tribe I don't know how much of his nature and nurture but I know where I grew up you were not allowed to suck a cotoy off you couldn't do that do we want to move to obviously there's a lot going on

with Mr. Trump he has been accused by Atlantic Magazine, wrote an article saying that he, in 2018 in France, when he was going to visit a cemetery for World War I, American soldiers that had died in World War I, he allegedly said that, why do I want to visit that cemetery know, that somebody has a bunch of losers or something like that. Suckers and losers. He called the American war dead suckers and losers, according to this article. He obviously denies that vehemently. John Bolton said he did not hear it and he was there, but allowed for the possibility that he said it at some later point.

Well, it's hard to imagine i don't know you know i mean trump has been pretty pro-military in general and then wanting to overhaul the va i mean look i'm not defending uh you know his personality but there's nothing about him that seems particularly disparaging as it relates to the military so even if somebody did say something offhand you know what it's like to say something in another context. If you just remove words verbatim from context, you know, anybody can have said anything. What do I know what this guy said?

Well, I mean, we're... I mean, look, if he said what he's accused of saying in the context in which it's implied, like they're meant to losers, you know, without any... I mean, you can totally imagine that he said that. Yeah, you can imagine he said it, but I would say that, you know, I mean, if he were initiating or creating policy

that actually seemed to come from that level of, that disdain for the military, then that statement would have some lasting impact. Whereas if you've been really pro-military and you've sort of proven that through policy, it just diminishes the importance of having heard someone say something but you know but obviously it's offensive i'm not defending the language or yeah i mean the question is is you know well look obviously actions are more important than words but words are not completely without importance uh assuming he said it and you know i don't really know i've read online know, that he's done for the military. He's done some good stuff. He's done some not so good stuff, depending on your point of view.

I think the best thing you can do for the military is to not send them to a war that we shouldn't be in. Right. And so there are those that say, well, look, you know, Obama had great respect for the troops, but there were there were troops in harm's way during his you know presidency whereas Trump I think there's less troops in harm way and ultimately that's the best way thing you can do for troops is to is to not put them in harm's way unless absolutely necessary so you know what else is good for the troops to give them health care when they come home and have fucking horrible PTSD and give all of the veterans

like mental healthcare and health insurance and homes. I mean, it is, I mean, to me, like... How does Trump compare to other presidents in that regard? Well, I mean, I think, I don't know how he compares to other presidents. I know that, I mean, it's abhorrent. I mean, the way that we treat veterans in this country when they return from service is fucking criminal.

Well, I can't speak to that. Look, I've read articles about the va right the va hospitals that prior to trump administration i mean the from what i've read it might have been in you know some relatively left-leaning mainstream media outlet was just that the va has gotten better than it was i I mean, we still have a long way to go, but it doesn't seem like he's been any worse than Obama or Clinton or Bush. But what do I know? I mean, that's what I've read about the VA. I would just say, as far as whether he said it or not, it's just hard to imagine that he, even if he felt that way, that he would- Yeah, it's hard to imagine.

He's a president that sort of, his whole thing is being pro-military to say that he even if he felt that way that he would yeah it's hard to imagine he's a president that sort of his whole thing is being pro-military to say that i mean you can have an unguarded moment obviously but to say that in front of uh you know whoever was there i mean it could be i i i put the probability at 50 50 that he actually said it as it was stated in the article uh you know i mean the same guy i'm not really i'm certain of it that he said it or he didn't i mean this is the same guy who's talking about grabbing people by the pussy like i think like there's another pretty good chance that um he said that yeah i mean somebody who's super careful about what comes out of his mouth, right? I think he was being secretly recorded

when he said grab him by the pussy, and he wasn't present. That's right. Well, still, so what? Well, you know, you would think he'd be somewhat on his guard about saying something that scandalous in front of generals and whomever else, you know, even if he felt that way.

So I'm not convinced that he said it, but he could have said it. I stand at 50-50. I maintain... Yeah, I agree. It sounds like 50-50, you know. I mean, you wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility because Trump has said some pretty wild stuff. But I would just move to, you know, whether or not actual policy decisions and actions were more in line with some anti-military, you know, point of view,

which has not been the case. So I don't know what kind of legs a story like this has. I don't believe that he hates, you know, that he wants military, that they're all suckers or something. I don't believe that he hates, you know, that he wants military, that they're all suckers or something. I don't believe that's the case. I am going with 99% that he said it. Oh, okay.

I wouldn't be surprised if I lost it. You know, I can't question your intuition. But, yeah, I think the more important thing is what are his policies vis-a-vis the military? I mean, that's true. You're right. But I do think it's also important what he says as the president. It's not without importance. I mean, if he says

that's something that extreme. But, you know, that's... I mean, I'm... I'm... As it happens right now, I'm prepared to vote for Biden-Harris anyway, whether he said it or he didn't. Right. Right. Yeah.

You know, I suppose something could happen between now and November that would change my mind. Like what? Well, if Biden died, for example, and then... And whoever, and then Kamala was the candidate. You know, I don't, I'd have to reassess. I mean, I don't love her, but especially given her history as a prosecutor, but you know, I don't know. I, you know, I probably vote for her anyway, as I voted for Hillary. It's not a

woman thing. But I, you know, I'm just not a huge fan of hers. But in any case. Although, you know, I mean, Hillary, relative to what you hear in the more sort of radical or further left aspect of the party, I mean, Hillary feels like a centrist Republican. I mean, she feels like a John Kasich Republican relative to what's going on on the hard left. But yeah, Biden, you know, I don't know. I mean, I know his sex scandal, that didn't have a lot of legs, right?

I don't know why that didn't have a lot of legs. Wasn't there a major Me Too? Well, there was a woman accused him of some fairly serious me too stuff. I feel like that got put to bed relatively quickly

and I'm just, I don't know. Well, because look, I mean, people, because the people that like him

are really overlooking, you know, because they figure Trump is the greater evil. Well, Adrian Iapucci, am I pronouncing her name properly yeah she she tweeted something out saying that at this point we're just voting for the person who has the

least amount of rapes right right yeah that's funny you know it's like yeah that's funny. You know, it's like, yeah, that's like a cool way of acknowledging that left, right, whatever. Yeah. It's the enemy of my enemy is my friend kind of thing after a while. I mean, it's so devastating, but she really made me laugh. Hilarious. It's hilarious. I mean, it's dark and it's sad, but it's hilarious. Hilarious. Have you been hilarious a lot of shows outside it was just uh on saturday did two shows in sheep meadow

center park they were excellent i mean the sound is not great you have to shout and obviously certain jokes that you know like certain jokes i just didn't want to do because they were long and i was like i don't have have the, I don't want to scream this joke. Yeah. I, so, but, but it was good. The audience was quite good, especially we did a show at five and the show at 6.30. The 6.30 show was really good.

You have a mic now though, don't you? Yeah, but it's like, it doesn't do very much. It's a little mic with a little speaker attached to it. Yeah. It very, very, you know, poor sound with or without the mic. I feel like you guys are out there.

You have to project. What's that? I said I feel like you're out there doing the Lord's work. Dan's working for the Lord. I'm out there in God's Cathedral doing the Lord's work. We do get paid. It was $25. $25. That's some pretty sweet cash nice cash the um i still have a show in i mean the club right now hasn't canceled in philly

in october like a proper headline gig i don't know what that will look like now indoors i mean it's um i guess they're just gonna like a 50% capacity thing, you know, they're going to space things out or put some plexiglass between tables. I'll be very curious to see how they work that out logistically, but you know, it would be nice if the seller, I mean, even if it were 25% capacity, you could still sort of patch a room together. If you can go indoors in New York City. Dan, have you heard of any,

like even gigs on Long Island or whatever? I mean, I don't know if Long Island, but they're doing indoor gigs in other states, I believe, but that they're a lesser, or at least maybe they'll start in October. Right. Because you can go into restaurants, right? It's not-

Other states you can. Right... Upstate you can. Right. Upstate you can. Noam at the Comedy Cellar, if you go to the Comedy Cellar, you go inside, Noam in anticipation of indoor dining, because that was supposed to start like a month ago, Noam stand up, it looks like a dunking booth. It's a stage and flexible all sides. Oh, wow.

The comic was going to stand and perform shows. That's what his plan was. Right, right. And dining open, but dining never opened. Right, right, right, right. Wow. And Noam, I don't think, is ultra motivated to do outdoor shows. Well, there's no money in it for him.

And he's already established. I mean, that's more of a real young upstart type of movement to get involved in that, because nobody's getting wealthy doing it. I mean, nobody's, you know. Right. Standard New York's been doing it, I think, just because it's good for them. It gives them press. Yeah. They get some articles written, oh, comedy in the park.

So it's good for them. They get press. The seller doesn't need press. Right. But it's also like, isn't it just- And Noam is not like a young, go ahead. No, but isn't it just like so nice to be doing it? Yes, yes.

But Noam, there's nothing in it for him. He's not, and Noam doesn't love comedy like he wants. He misses it so much to see a comedy show. There are people that are like that. The owners of the't love comedy like he wants. He misses it so much to see a comedy show. There are people that are like that. The owners of the stand love comedy. That's why they own a comedy club. Noam owns a comedy club because his father owned a comedy club, and his father owned a comedy club because he had a restaurant with a basement.

Somebody walked in and said, hey, we should do comedy here. He said, okay. And that's what started but noam is is not a he he noam is certainly become a fan and he certainly has great affection for us i believe but he's not like the guys at the stand who really really are and really want to do shows so they had shows at their club outside on the sidewalk. Nine minutes. You're talking to I guess. No, it's because I'm at Jesse's house and she just put the

kid down. I just told her I'll be wrapping up at eight o'clock. And then you're heading back. No, no, I'm going to stay here. I'm going to stay here tonight and wake up with the kid in the morning to go play with my, I don't know what we'll do, but you know, I mean, it's kids, you know, the playgrounds are open,

you know, now, I mean, that, that's really nice for people that they, they finally, for a while, they were, they were all locked up, up until like a month and a half ago. Yeah. I mean, what's great is Emerson has no idea that any of this is going on. By the time he becomes kind of aware of the world, this will hopefully be over. And he's not suffering anyway. He's in the park.

Oh, life is sweet. Jessica posts pictures of Emerson all the time. I've seen more pictures of Emerson's ass than I would have expected. But she posts a lot of naked pictures of Emerson all the time. I've seen more pictures of Emerson's ass than I would have expected, but she posts a lot of naked pictures of Emerson. Not the front, right? Not the front, no. And if she does, she puts a little circle on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

She's a big mommy Instagrammer. And I got a joke out of it. I got a joke, thanks to Jessica's posting, I got a joke out of it. You know, I got a joke, thanks to Jessica's posting, I got a joke about women posting those sorts of things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's good. Women get real into that. You know, and one wonders whether Emerson, you know, when he looks back at some point and sees his ass all over Instagram, what he's going to feel about it. I don't know. What do you think, Peral? Appropriate? Inappropriate?

Too much? Not too much? I read an article about how in China, there's this whole theory that by the time kids Emerson's age are,

I don't know, teenagers or young adults, if they haven't sort of built up like social media cache, they're sort of lower in societal ranks. So just- The likelihood of what getting- Everything. The female ratio is still really thrown off there and it becomes that much more critical any advantage that you can generate

so that might be doing you a big favor because it's like accruing it's accruing followers oh it's so sad you know this social i i don't know i don't know what the net the net result of all of this i think the net result nice choice of words um yeah i don't know if being a kid today is better or worse i i mean the one advantage i think there's some great advantages to it is that a kid that's maybe marginalized at school that lives in the middle of nowhere can go online and find out hey i, I'm not the only gay kid. I'm not the only trans kid. I'm not the only kid that's into this and the other thing.

And I can talk to people. I don't have to deal with just the people from my high school. You know, when we were in high school, if you didn't make friends amongst your high school peers, you were kind of shit out of luck. You know, you were isolated. And if, God forbid, you were really different, you know, in whatever way, you couldn't connect with other kids. So I think in that sense, social media is probably pretty good.

It's good for shot kids that just do better behind a keyboard anyway. I'm like that. I'm better off, you know, hitting behind a keyboard. But the other stuff that comes with it, the cyberbullying. He's seen Emerson's cheeks many times posted online by you. I had one where it was yesterday on Instagram. Oh, wow, yeah. What'd you say?

I don't know, something about Instagram. But it's, you know, once, you know, social media sort of, I guess, can help you find a group that will allow you to accept your own differences, sexually or otherwise, but just in time to sort of develop some other disorder associated with looking at pictures of people that appear to be happier than you are. You know, it's like... Yeah. And also young girls constantly call themselves half naked.

And this could be good for, you know uh eating disorders and that sort of thing because now everyone every every young girl's now a model base you know trying to be on instagram trying to look good trying to get all those likes and uh it had to be a disaster for for uh adolescent mental health i would think and the filters all of these filters that they put so that you'd look like not a human being what do you think just the net result of all of this social media for younger people and like like some alternate sexuality people might find a group that they can identify with but then the flip side is you think it's a net negative yeah you're not posting any nude pictures of yourself

on Instagram are you I didn't think so well you're not allowed to I don't I mean I think you can show ass crack yeah but you can't show nipple penis vajayjay right but what people do is they post very very

very provocative photos and then they have a link in their bio to their only fans page right yeah indeed only fans yes yes, it's just something so, I don't think in European cultures, like if you walk into a strip club, they don't have these rules where you can put pasties over your nipples and then you have a permit that allows you to sell alcohol. But if you were to remove the pasty, you would be in violation of the permit. It's clearly, it's such a

wacky yeah kind of way to battle with you know what is happening to strip clubs i mean they must have taken a huge fucking hit yes i mean i heard on the some podcast that they're back in business in their own limited way and so they have the same distancing policies but podcast that they're back in business in their own limited way. And so they have the same distancing policies, but I guess they're not allowed to face you or something. And then when you actually get a dance, somebody's wearing a mask. I'm-

Like cowgirl grind you? I- Like reverse cowgirl grind you? I, yeah, you make it sound so good, but I wonder, I don't know, you know. Listen, I got no beef with the reverse cowgirl grind, mask or no mask, you know, but, but yeah, no strip clubs were, I would imagine just, you know, I mean,

as badly hit as any establishment you can think of. And so they're trying to call their way back as well. I would imagine the strippers themselves, probably a lot of them do go on OnlyFans and try to make money that way, but there's so much competition on OnlyFans. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, online, a lot of porn people as well

because they're not doing that either. They're not shooting new porn for the most part. Right, yeah. Yeah, people are taking it solo online i guess but i don't know listen you know you're you're living on the margins in that in that business you got a following these days uh you know and only fans you know how do you distinguish yourself everybody else that's on only fans i have no idea how that takes place. Do you need to distinguish yourself? I mean, I would imagine if you're...

I would think so. You want to get subscribers. Right. Such a distinguished career. I mean, I suppose if you're well-known, that would help. Yeah. Yeah, if you're a legitimate film star and then yeah but they were like kendra uh

what's her name that'd be the uh i met her on a podcast kendra will kendra yeah my kendra wilkinson she was the she was the library girl oh i i don't i don't know i i don't think i've heard her thunderland kendra sunderland. Kendra Sunderland. She became famous because she masturbated in a college library. Oh, yeah. Oh, really? And the video was online. And then, so now she's a pretty well-known porn star.

Pretty distinguishing, yeah. But she probably makes a lot of money on OnlyFans. But just to wrap up, a girl on OnlyFans. But just to wrap up, a girl on OnlyFans, I don't know how they do it. So sweet. On that note, it's 8 p.m.

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