The Comedy Cellar: Live from the Table - Bonus Episode 9: Tribute to Gilbert Gottfried

Episode Date: May 24, 2023

Noam Dworman, Dan Naturman and Periel Aschenbrand are joined by Dara Gottfried. They discuss happiness, money, her new foundation and Dara regales with tales of Gilbert Gottfried.

This is Table Talk, the bonus episode for Live from the Table, the official podcast of the World Famous Comedy Cellar. This is Dan Natterman, host of Table Talk, along with co-host Periel Ashenbrand. Noam Dorman is here. He's the owner of the World Famous Comedy Club, and he is a co-host on the main episode, but on this episode, he's just a guest. He's a humble guest. And we also have with us Dara Kravitz-Godfried. How do you do? She was married to the great, the legendary Gilbert Godfrey, who left us tragically a year ago. She is with us. How do you do?

And she's a good friend of Periel's. How do you guys know each other? We met one fine night at Balthazar through um my best girlfriend who you know who came with me to see you in chicago opening for louis for louis you know cat yes i met her when i was opening for louis and then we had a drink at a hotel or whatever yeah she's wonderful she's wonderful yeah so yeah that's it's a crazy like small world connection my whole life my whole life feels like that i i think i had just just just started getting into comedy even maybe not it was might might have even been before that okay um but you

also wrote your book based on her right yes my Yes. My first book, The Only Bush I Trust is My Own, is about Kat, who is a former Mormon missionary, which I didn't know when I met her. And I thought she was actually trying to seduce me. I love that story. I know. I sat on her bed. She brought me upstairs to her dorm room. We were teaching on a summer arts program.

And she said, come smoke a cigarette with me, which was scandalous. You weren't supposed to smoke in the rooms. And I sat on her bed. And I really thought she was trying to seduce me. And I felt something that I was sitting on. And I thought it was a vibrator. And I said, oh, excuse me. And I moved.

And I picked it up. And it was a copy of the Book of Mormon. That's crazy. First of all, let the record show, everybody's trying to seduce me. Continue. We were discussing on the main podcast with a

writer whether money buys happiness. Do you have any thoughts on that, Tara? I do not think money buys happiness, but it definitely makes things easier. I do not think money buys happiness, but I definitely think it could make life easier. Right. But it doesn't make you happy. It doesn't make you unhappy.

It doesn't make you unhappy, no. Well, I... What do you think? I think that in an individual case, it might make all the difference. If somebody has a job that they really hate and money could liberate them from that job, that could make a

significant difference in their happiness. I think money allows you also to be generous with others, which I think can provide you with a great deal of fulfillment to allow you to do good works and pursue passions that you might not be able to pursue you with a great deal of fulfillment, to allow you to do good works. Right. And pursue passions that you might not be able to pursue just because you wouldn't have the time if you were tied up with work.

So I think it can buy happiness. Well, all of that is well and good, but I think that at the end of the day, what you said is true. That you're only as happy as your unhappiest child. And also, if you talk to anybody who has gone through a major loss or tragedy, like Dara, I'm sure that no amount of money in the world would be worth that. You have to have your health and, you know, the health of your loved ones. Otherwise, money doesn't mean a whole lot. Right.

Right? Sorry. Go ahead, Dara. No, no. Go ahead. Go ahead. I'll just edit my statement and say you're only as happy as your least happy child or your wife. I don't know.

I think it definitely makes things easier. Sure. For sure. But I think't know. I think it definitely makes things easier. Sure. For sure. But I think true happiness, I mean, I think back to my happiest moments, and it doesn't have anything to do with money. Right? It has to do with spending time with the people that we love.

It has to do with laughter. It has to do with, you know. I remember one of my happiest moments had to do with a 19 year old nyu student who was who came to the comedy cellar because she was looking for steve byrne well you know steve byrne the comic well steve byrne wasn't here but i was and i and and that made you happy well what what happened it took me a couple weeks to ultimately to get into that dorm room. But I got in there, all right. And that was a happy moment.

Well, the things that you're describing that make you happy, oftentimes those things wouldn't have happened if you didn't have the freedom that money buys you, which is kind of the. I don't know if that's true. I mean, you think about people in like, you know, live in poverty or whatever. Wasn't there like a documentary or something called Happiness? Yes, there was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They showed people from around the world that had like nothing and how happy they were. Yeah, yeah.

No, I don't think that's true. I think, you know, think of the joy of being with your kids or being with... But if you're working 60 hours a week to try to pay the rent, you don't have as much time. Right, I know what you're saying. There was a book, Sapiens, which discussed hunter-gatherers, and he made the argument, Yuval Harari, I think his name is. Harari.

Yeah, he made the argument that being a hunter-gatherer was actually a pretty decent life. They had a lot of free time. They hunted and they gathered, which I guess might be fun. They did stand-up comedy. But they only had to do that for like, I don't know how he knows this, and maybe he's wrong, but they only had to do that for like 40 hours a week.

It wasn't like working at Skadden Arps. It was like they had normal hours. And then the rest of the time, I guess they did whatever fun things a prehistoric man did, I suppose. They could play sports and have sex and sing around the fire and whatever. And then agriculture came along and kind of ruined everything

because agriculture was more labor-intensive. People had to work harder. They came into contact with animals and got started getting diseases from these, you know, the chickenpox or whatever, the smallpox, you know, that they get from animals. The animals are the vector.

Right. In the wet markets. Which wasn't, well, they didn't have that, but animals were a vector for a lot of these diseases that hunter-gatherers didn't have this issue with. They didn't live in cities so they couldn't spread disease.

Anyway, hunter-gathering, that's the life for me. Maybe there's a tipping point to where there's like, you have enough that you're not struggling, but when you have immense wealth, does it really matter? Does it get to the point where it's like, you know?

I'm willing to take the chance. Wait, can I just say that Dara recently became a published author? Oh, yes. Oh, well, we should have started with that. That definitely made sense. So what's the book? It's not a book. No, I didn't get that.

Not yet. You got a book deal. No, it's not that exciting. She published something that's not a book. Oh, I didn't get there. I didn't get that. Not yet. You got a book deal. No, it's not that exciting. She published something that's not a book. Oh, she's a publisher. An article. People Magazine. That's it.

No. That's okay. I still wrote it. Yeah. It's not published. What's the article about? It was a tribute to Gilbert for the one year because he passed away April 12th. I wrote an article about that.

And you also started a foundation. And I started a foundation. Gilbert Gottfried Myotonic Dystrophy Type 2 Fund at the University of Rochester. And what is that? And where he had a very rare condition called myotonic dystrophy type 2 that many people have never heard of, including many doctors. Leave it to Gil. Leave it to Gil. Leave it to Gil.

And he went years without anyone, even no doctors knowing what the hell was going on. And so. Did you know he was sick? Did he know he was sick? It wasn't like a sickness. It was more of like a condition. Okay. He had issues like getting on stage, like walking upstairs, that kind of stuff.

It wasn't that dramatic. Okay. Until it was. Until it was, more so, yes. That's another thing. But anyway, so I want to raise awareness because it was just discovered like 20-something years ago at the University of Rochester. And it ends up that it's the most prevalent adult-onset type of muscular dystrophy. And it was just discovered. And no one really knows about it. Wow. So I started a fund at the University of Rochester to go directly to research in therapeutics now.

So if you go to thehiddentalorg. Sorry. It'll take you there. So why don't we do a fundraiser for it at the Cellar one day? Yeah. You have all these comedians I'm sure would be happy to perform. Hell yeah. Let's do it. Let's do it. I would love that.

I would love that. You know, Judy Golden, her show was talking about comics that continue to do comedy despite illness. Right. I don't know. Did she cite Gilbert? Not. I just saw her show. Her show was wonderful, I don't know, did she cite Gilbert? Not. I just saw her show. It was wonderful, by the way.

It was great. But Gilbert was. No, because he wasn't like open about what was going on, really. You know. But he was still performing. He did. The night before he went to the hospital, he did a two-hour podcast. And then the weekend before, he did three sought-out shows in Canada.

Wow. Yeah. At his theater. sought-out shows in Canada. Wow. At his theater. He was working non-stop. And a million cameos. By cameo, you mean the cameo.com. Correct. I bought my wife a You did?

Get out of here. Really? You were wondering whether Gilbert even knew who Norman Norman was. No. That's hilarious. I was there when she was. That's so cool. Oh, my God.

He loved doing those. He did them in the bathroom mostly. He loved doing them because he was making money on the couch in his bathrobe. He didn't have to do anything, basically. Well, he must have been one of the more popular voices on it because he's such a recognizable voice. I think he was one of the top three. Wow.

And there's like 40,000 people or something. Because a lot of people, their voices aren't that interesting. I guess they do videos, right? They do videos, so it's not just voice. I have a question. You don't have to answer this or we can not have another minute. It's okay. But what was his freak out level when he got in trouble with the Affleck thing?

Oh, it was horrible. It was? Oh, my God. Oh, man. First of all, he was shocked. So here we are. We're in Philadelphia. He was doing gigs and I brought the kids to go see the sights and blah, blah, blah.

It's a gorgeous day. We're walking around. He had just had a meeting the week before with his book publisher because he had a new book coming out. And Twitter was brand new. And they were saying, oh you gotta get on Twitter, blah blah blah and he just got on Twitter. So here we are walking around and I guess

the tsunami happens. What year is this? This was 2011. He starts getting tweets saying where's our tsunami jokes because he had just done The Aristocrats ah

and they're like you know Paul Provenza's movie yeah yeah Paul Provenza and Penn Jillette exactly so that was 2005

I believe something like that yeah so here they're asked where's our tsunami jokes where's our tsunami jokes and he starts thinking we're walking around

we're at Betsy Ross's museum and he starts saying you know Hebrewrew national tsunami gwen tsunami you know just puns and stupid he does like 12 of them and i'm like i don't know if you should be writing this cover type it type it type it type it type it like i don't know it's funny it's funny keep going keep going it's funny and he calls my friend David. He's like, David, can you make a website with just the jokes so more people could see them? Like, he was so proud of these jokes. He was so excited.

And then that's a Sunday, whatever, the next day, I take the kids to preschool. And then I look at my phone and it says something like, you know, Gilbert Gottfried gets fired from AFLAC. Online. We see it online. So it was... Is he the first person canceled? Whoopi said that in our movie

that he was the first person to be canceled. So someone had to lead the path. It was so ridiculous because the truth was that they had been telling us for years that get ready because they wanted been telling us for years that like get ready because they weren't they wanted to hire someone for less money i guess that wasn't that wasn't um uh union and so we had been preparing we knew that that was going to come eventually

but the way it went down was i thought was so unfair and then they went and had a whole national campaign with with a whole you know a commercial already in place with a silent duck. It was already done. And let's find the next duck. And then they hire this guy. They just announced that Tucker Carlson is going to do that job. He was so upset about that. Did he ever get furious?

Because I don't think anyone's ever actually seen it. And it's hard to imagine him being, like, furious, angry. No, he wasn't angry. He was upset, and he was hurt, and he actually cried. He was really upset because he's like, I don't understand. I didn't mean to do anything wrong. You know, it's like you get up, you eat your Cheerios every day, and then all of a sudden you eat Cheerios and all hell breaks loose now

did like did that was making jokes he's a comedian was there a pretext to it did they was there some contractual term which they felt or the claim that he violated in order to get out from under their contract with him basically they could do whatever they want because he's worked for hire and it doesn't you know they basically just didn't renew the contract. So that's all. It wasn't like he wasn't fired. He wasn't fired.

He was just, they didn't renew the contract. But he wasn't allowed to say anything. The publisher's like, don't talk, don't talk. And that was like. Now, Gilbert famously used to collect shampoo bottles and soaps. I still have so many. That was my question. What have you done with all of those?

I mean, because it was a documentary of Gilbert, and under his bed there was thousands of shampoo bottles, bars of soap, whatever he collected from the hotel rooms that he stayed at. Yeah, I've given a lot away, but I still, you know, for sentimental value I've held on to. Was that a symptom of his illness? What's that? Was that a symptom of his illness? What's that? Was that a symptom of his illness?

I'll blame that. What was the story about? There's some good stuff, actually. There's some really good stuff in there. About that. What was that story about? Like, he wanted to give it to his sister. He wanted to give bars of soap to his sister,

but she said she didn't want mini ones. That was such a good story. So he was living in this,-controlled two-bedroom apartment. And the second bedroom he used basically for all of his soaps and shampoos. I mean the entire bedroom. There was boxes this big where you can't see. What is that exactly? It's hoarding.

It's hoarding. He had a picture, framed picture of the Collier brothers on his wall. Do you know that story? They were two brothers up in, I think it was the Bronx, and they were famous for hoarding. One of them died from stuff falling on him in his apartment. Wait, tell them. I didn't hear the story about your sister.

Oh, so what happened was he had the whole room full of soaps and shampoos and all this stuff, and we were finally going to move in together and got this nice apartment. We were moving in was like please go but you gotta like you can't bring a whole room full of soaps like you gotta like take some but not an entire room so it was mother's day the next day it was mother's day the next day so he called his sisters he's like do you guys need any little soaps and they said no no no only big bars we only want big bars so all night he didn't tell me he was doing this all night he stayed up unwrapping all the small little things running them under water hot water smushing them together and squishing them and making bars of soap dumping

him in a garbage bag and he showed up at breakfast the next day for Mother's Day brunch with a garbage bag, a huge garbage bag filled with big bars of soaps that he made out of mashed little soaps. You are woman of the year. Hey, I'm single now. Any hot?

Now, I have one other question. So with all this stuff, I mean, either you could save it and pass it down to your family, but if you were not going to do that, maybe you should auction some of it off. If we do a charity event, auction some of it off to charity.

We've talked about that. That's a brilliant idea. Auction the cell cells. Yeah, we've talked about auctioning it off. It's not a bad idea. People would love that kind of memorabilia and stuff like that. He also used to rave, like when he did a talk show in the green room, they would give you soda, and he took the soda.

Oh, took everything. Whatever was not nailed down. Now, do you think this is because he grew up poor or is this just some bizarre... I think it's a combination of growing up poor and the way he was raised where basically he grew up living in the dining room. He didn't even have a bedroom.

And his dad had the hardware store that never made any money. And I think growing up that way and seeing your parents be so frugal and stuff, I guess it just... But he's got a quirky personality, obviously. And he didn't understand math. He did not understand math. So, like, he couldn't... He didn't...

Like, saving 25 cents on eggs seemed as important as a million dollars. But also at the same time, he let you. Shut up. Also at the same time, he let you, like, run everything. So he trusted you to, like. Well, you bought a very nice apartment. I mean, he was okay with that? It was stressful.

He was finally okay with it, but it was, he was okay with that? It was stressful. He was finally okay with it, but he was scared out of his mind. Right, but I'm talking about going on vacations, going out to eat, buying clothes. That took a long time. I mean, for Father's Day, the first year we were together, my dad, all he wanted

was a receipt that Gilbert took me to dinner. And I had to spend a week looking, finding a receipt that Gilbert took me to dinner. And I had to spend a week looking, finding a restaurant that had like an early bird special or something. That he would be okay with. Because I didn't want him to be too stressed out. You're amazing. That's so sweet.

But it is fair to say that Gilbert was a wealthy man. He was very wealthy, yeah. And yet despite that. But it didn't matter because he didn't use it. He had no idea how much money he had. He didn't use it. He didn't live that way at all. Do you see any of those?

Which I actually thought was really beautiful. Yeah, I know. I thought that was really cool because who does that? Like, it's great. Well, you had one of the most unique relationships out of anybody I've ever met in that you were so accepting. Relationships usually you get on each other's nerves.

I have to go. You stayed longer than that. I have to go. It's a great conversation. Nice to see you. It's unfortunate Noam's leaving because I wanted you to tell the story about

the car. You were there, weren't you? We just had the car with Gilbert. Jared Freed was driving him. I don't think so. Maybe. I don't know this story. Do I?

Yeah. We were just sitting. The three of us were just sitting together downstairs at the cellar with Rich Aronovich. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He didn't say a word. This is like the greatest story ever that Jared Freed, you tell it. You tell it. He didn't say a word the whole time or something. Jared Freed was opening for Gilbert in some place.

And basically the entire time Gilbert didn't know who Jared was. And he thought that he was just like some kid driving him around yeah we'll get somebody we'll get Jared or Rich on it was it was a funny story hysterical but he his social skills really sucked I mean he they were horrible his social skills were terrible until you got to know him and then he was fine still he was not so comfortable like it it was really his social skills were... But he was fine with Jeff Ross or Bob Saget or people who he knew really well. Because they could talk the same language.

But if you talk a different language about anything else then he got... So any comedians... That's why I started the podcast. I started the podcast because we would go out to dinner and the only way i'd get him to talk to to the guests at the table was if i played the game six degrees of

separation and and i said okay do you want to see what gilbert could do he could take two name an actor name another actor name a comedian and he could connect those two and then he would connect the two and then it would start a whole conversation about movies and actors and blah blah blah and then he could talk so his podcast was your the amazing colossal podcast was your idea it was my idea okay to get him to talk basically we worked on an incredible project together that didn't get very far do you remember that I still thought that was incredible so Dara so Gilbert had an idea to write for a tv show I kept bugging him I was like come on come up with an idea please please please and he's finally like all right I have one idea and it was called

and so she called me and she said we come over and work on this with Gilbert. We write this with him. And now, I mean, it's even more insane. So it was called Celebrity Funeral. Putting the fun in funeral. And the idea was to talk in a very Gilbert way to talk about this thing that was still really taboo which everybody does which is dying. And Gilbert's idea was go ahead Dara. Basically instead of

comedians in cars he would drive people around in a hearse. And plan their own funeral. You would plan your own funeral. With his friends. I still think it's brilliant. And what you wrote with gilbert we sat around the dining room table for many hours and it was absolutely hysterical it was

incredible and it should do it you could say so it was like martha stewart and snoop right right like you would pair people who were friends and they would drive around and you would sort of write your own eulogy together. It was a really beautiful, hilarious, totally insane. I think it would have been so funny. It's a great idea. Yeah, I think it is a good idea. Actually, after Gilbert's funeral,

which I got to say was absolutely... As funnier, his funeral was one of the funnier ones. It was so funny. You know, Jeff Ross basically roasted them. I know. It was amazing. I went and bought funnyfuneral.com afterwards because I was like,

how great would that be to have comics? You could hire a comic to write your eulogy. It's great. What were you going to say? I think I forgot what I was going to say. You said that As Funerals Go. I said that. Yeah, I already said that. As Funerals Go is think I forgot what I was going to say. You said that his funerals go. I said that. Yeah, I already said that.

His funerals go is probably the funniest one I've been to. Yeah. Mostly because of Jeff Ross. And who else spoke? Frank Santopadre, but he wasn't funny. Susie Essman. Susie Essman. Gino.

Gino Salamone. Oh, okay. He's a friend of Gilman. All right. It was really funny Jeff was hysterical Wasn't the rabbi really funny too? So funny

He's a big fan of the podcast Rabbi David And Lily, your daughter just made a documentary about Gilbert too, right? That's right, I'm trying to figure out the best way to share it How long is it? Eight and a half minutes She did it as a school project? about Gilbert too, right? That's right. I'm trying to figure out the best way to share it.

How long is it? Eight and a half minutes. Okay, so it's a short mini documentary. She did it as a school project? I did it as a school project, yeah. My daughter's at a great school that has a film program. You could actually have a film major, which I've never heard in a high school. It's pretty cool.

The teacher's awesome. But anyway, she's taking a documentary class, so she made this documentary short. She thought it would be cool to make a documentary about the fact that Gilbert was an artist and no one knew that he was a visual artist. They only knew him as a comedian or podcast host or actor. I want to buy one of those prints.

So I'm trying to figure out. I want to make them, like, maybe do limited editions or posters or something we should talk about that okay um but so lily made this stock and she just went on pix11 and on the news and what's it called and where can you watch it it's called the hidden talent of gilbert gottfried and um there's a website that that she started the hidden talent of gilbert gottfried dot com and that you could see the trailer. Amazing.

And then soon she'll probably put on YouTube or something. Figure out how to. So she's into filmmaking. And your son is into comedy? He he's. Well, his new thing is he says he wants to day trade and he made 90 cents today. OK. He said he sent me a screenshot. He's like, look, he's like, I made 90 cents today. Okay. He sent me a screenshot.

He's like, look, I made real money today, mommy. I made my first, it's so funny, I got the text. I made my first real money. I made 90 cents. But he's so funny and he does impressions. Well, I still get checks for less than that from SAG. There you go.

Residual check. There you go. I don't know what he wants to do. He says he wants to be on Saturday Night Live. He says he wants to do stand-up. But he also, you know, says that he wants to, you know, own a mansion. But he's done that. Well, one can own a mansion and do stand-up. But, you know, there's a few that... Most of us don't, but there's a few that do.

I saw Trevor Noah's house. It really knocked me for a loop. I had to, like, sit down. I saw a picture of his house, like, in People magazine or Insta, whatever. I was like, Trevor can afford that? I mean, it looked like Brangelina, you know, level house. I didn't know Trevor was that rich. But that's not just from doing stand-up.

That's from his TV show. Yeah, but even then I didn't think he would have a house like that. I mean, it was just absolutely ginormous. Like I said, like, you'd think Brangelina would live in a house like that, you know. Brangelina. Well, they're not Brangelina anymore. They're Brad and Angelina.

They broke up like Czechoslovakia. I had a joke once about that. You know, as a Czechoslovakian, you know, they broke up. So is it now Brad? Is it now? So now Brangelina is now Angelina and the Brad Republic? It was just a play on the.

It's good. Nobody. But whatever. But, you know, I was comparing Brangelina to Czechoslovakia because it's Czechs and the Slovak. Got it. Yeah. All right. I'm over explaining.

But anyway. Yeah. I was knocked for a loop. I was knocked for a loop. I was knocked for a loop. I had, you know, Mulaney probably has an enormous house. I have no idea. That would also knock me for a loop, even more so.

But the point is, you can be a comedian and be rich. I don't know what he wants to do. I don't know. He likes math. But it's tough going. He's got a great personality. He's very personable and funny. And it's tough going. He's got a great personality. He's very personable and funny. And he does spot-on imitations.

It's crazy. Of his father, I assume he does. He does. He was doing Gilbert tonight. Yes. He was doing Gilbert tonight. He was doing Gilbert coming home after a long walk. I do Gilbert.

That was his impression. He's like, look, I'm like Daddy after a long walk. I just got home from a long walk. Isn't that crazy? I do like Gilbert, but not yelling. Like, okay. Okay. That's good. That's sort of the non yelling Gilbert. The Gilbert that

most people don't hear Gilbert not yelling. It's just crazy because like Gilbert started when he was 15. He dropped out of school and he started to stand up at 15 and Lily's 15 and just made this doc. And like Gilbert started by doing impressions and Max is like so good at impressions. It's just crazy. Like how it is.

Well, the apples in the tree. I don't know. I don't know. I don't fall so far. It's wild. But the whole notion of Gilbert having kids is insane to begin with. It was. And that these kids are really great kids and well-adjusted is even more jockeying. Yeah. He was kind of more of like a brother or baby brother. Actually,

Max would call him his baby brother. Well, did he have it in him to discipline? No. You had to do all the discipline. No, no, no, no. I did everything. He was a child. He was another child. That's okay. Yeah, it's okay. Well, it worked.

It makes it fun, right? Yeah. Exactly. Anyway, I'm really proud of Lily. She worked really hard on this movie. I can't wait for everyone to see it. Yeah, it looks amazing. And Ari, my son knows all about Gilbert.

First of all, because, well, because of us. But also because, I forgot to tell you this, he voiced the dentist. Oh, in Fairly Odd Parents, is that right? In Fairly Odd Parents. Yeah. And Ari recognized. That's crazy. How old is he?

He's nine and a half. Wow. But also saw his name afterwards and was like, Mommy, Mommy, it's Gilbert. And we wore matching Gilbert t-shirts the other day. Oh, my God. The one that you gave me. Do you have a Gilbert Godfrey t-shirt?

No, but I wouldn't be averse to having one. GilbertGodfrey.com I'm updating the website. We've got to wrap it up, but the website for the Myotonic Muscular Dystrophy, how can one support that?

TheHiddenTalent.org. You could donate money, which is the name of Lily's movie. Thehiddentalent.org. That's where you can donate for myotonic muscular dystrophy type 2. I assume there's a type 1. There's a type 1 and there's a type 2, and it's very different. And you can see Lily's documentary there as well? If you go to The Hidden talent of Gilbert Gottfried.

I know it gets a little complicated. You guys will figure it out. We'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. But our listeners, just get on Google and start hacking away, and you will come across it. And we're going to make it available very soon. This month.

This month. Great. Thank you, Derek Kravitz-Godfrey, for joining us. I don't use Kravitz. It is my maiden name. Well, don't you have it on Facebook? Aren't you Derek Kravitz-Godfrey, for joining us. I don't use Kravitz really. It is my maiden name. Well, don't you have it on Facebook? Aren't you Derek Kravitz-Godfrey? Yeah, I guess I do. No relation to Lenny. So that's why I thought

you went by that. But anyway, Perrielle, thank you. Thank you. I shouldn't thank you because you're the co-host, so I don't thank you. No, you don't. Thank you, co-host. You can find us on Instagram. I'm at Perrielle Ashenbrand and Dan's at Dan Natterman

and at Live From the Table. Thank you. This has been Table Talk. See you next time. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.