The Comedy Cellar: Live from the Table - Bonus Episode: Colonoscopies, Diddy, Mamdani and Bob Vylan

Episode Date: July 4, 2025

Noam Dworman unexpectedly joins Dan Naturman and Periel Aschenbrand despite the fact that he had a colonoscopy earlier in the day. They discuss his procedure, the recent Diddy Verdict and what it means to globalize the intifada.Live from the Table Bonus Episode: Colonoscopies, Diddy, Mamdani and Bob Vylan

This is Live From the Table, the official podcast of the world famous comedy cellar, available wherever you get your podcasts, available on YouTube for that multimedia experience. This is Dan Natterman. I'm here with Noam Dwarman. He's the owner of the comedy cellar. Can't meet him in the middle of a text message. Go ahead. Sorry. And Periel Ashenbrand, of course, joins us and we are a skeleton crew today. Just the three of us By the way, no, I just walked by the McDonald's Aka the Menachem Dorman Comedy Theatre. I believe that's what you're gonna be calling the new room. Yes, I'm hoping to yeah and Well, the work is is going apace

It seems to me. So we're still on schedule for a 2025 opening? No, just 2025, yes, yes. Yeah, that's right. That's this year, okay. So there'll be five rooms if you're counting. Five, not one, two, three, four, but five rooms here in the New York City area. And we have our fingers crossed

that we can fill those rooms. I say we, I'm not really in that in charge of that but Noam is obviously confident that that he can fill that room but of course it worse comes to worse we can just put make the fat black pussycat rooms we turn them back in a bar in a lounge. I'm gonna have to cut this text message short and the person who gets it if he at some point I'm gonna show it. Listen I'm sorry but you know they started the show without me. So, okay. Okay. Well, okay, go ahead. I did it. Go ahead. I'm saying if you can't fill the McDonald's, I didn't mean sell. You can, you can turn the fat black pussycat lounge and bar back into a bar and a lounge. That

thought's crossed my mind. That's like my worst nightmare. I'd hate to have to do that. Okay. Um, it was, it was a very unpleasant, um, running a bar, you know, it was fun when you were younger and you wanted to get, you know, get some, but, um, at this point in my life, to be woke up in the middle of the night, uh, but by somebody is having a fight at the pool table or you know somebody grabs somebody's Girl and there's a fights. You know, I just don't need that. It's very very stressful way to live running a bar. I Mean you can still get woken up in the middle of the night with issues at the comedy club. I assume I guess that's less often like like like already good

Well, I don't know. I mean, there was a flood, right? There was a flood, right? When now Frankin was on stage. Yeah, that was terrible. No, of course there's always issues, but a fight is a worse issue because fights, of course, not always, but can lead to lawsuits, and lawsuits are just a nightmare.

Didn't somebody, didn't you get a call once that somebody almost burned the place down? Well, that wasn't while we were open. Yes. On my honeymoon, I got a call that, uh, you know, that place almost burned down. Yeah. I didn't know that was on your honeymoon. Yeah.

I was, I was in Israel. That's an odd place for a honeymoon. Now it is. But I think even then it's, it's a honeymoon. You think tropical, no worries, stress-free. Israel is, I mean, as we talk about 2010, Israel was tropical. Still is. It's not really tropical.

It's gorgeous. It's got palm trees. I don't know what the definition of tropical is. What could be more important? Well, I guess the definition of tropical is it lies between the Tropic of Capricorn and the Tropic of Cancer. Is that the definition? I think so. I mean, you can look at it. A tropical, a tropical, a tropical light? A tropical likeropic of Cancer. Is that the definition? I think so. I mean, you can look that up. A tropical, tropical, tropical light?

Tropical like, tropical like climate? Semi-tropical, I think. And when you're there, it seems like a pretty tropic climate. There's no coconuts. They have coconuts? I don't even know. I don't think they have coconuts.

I know they have plenty of dates. I mean, they could have filmed Gilligan's Island just as easily there as anywhere else. I think it's that weird of a place for a honeymoon if you have like some affinity toward Israel. It's a beautiful. I think honeymoon I think could have relaxing on the beach. Well, no, but but are you an anti-semite? No, but where would you go on your honeymoon, Dan? Well, I think of Hawaii as a honeymoon. Tahiti. St. Barge.

You're gonna pay by the hour to go to Hawaii? Anyway, so we went to Italy, France and- Oh, okay, Italy and France. And Israel, and they gave Juanito a hard time with security getting onto the flight at El Al, but it was a great honeymoon, whatever. I just had my 15th wedding anniversary last week. Wow, I remember it very vividly, your wedding. Tom pop officiating.

Anyway. Wait, wait, wait, does that feel like, what is 15 years? 15 years is nothing. I mean, it's just astounding the way time goes faster and faster. It depends what your frame of reference is. Like, if I think about my daughter who was born, you know, a year after we got married, it just seems like yesterday that she was born.

Really? Yeah. If I just think about my daughter, it's like, oh my God, it was just yesterday. It went so fast. And to her... If I think about my daughter, it's like, oh my God, it was just yesterday. It went so fast. And to her, if I think about my wedding, marriage, it feels like forever. To your daughter. Imagine what Juanita feels like. How did that much time of a marriage take so long to have this blink of an eye girl grow up? I don't know. Well, to Mila, it seems like a very long time. It's her whole life. Yes. So it obviously seems like a

tremendously long time. It's her whole life. So it obviously seems like a tremendously long time. It's incredible. Anyway, I don't know what to discuss, because if I start discussing my cruise, now I'm going to do the snort sound. Well, we were supposed to have Omar Barthov. Omar Barthov. Barthov.

Omar Barthov, who's going to discuss the genocide accusation. We'll do that next week. Well, we're going to discuss the genocide accusation. We'll do that next week. Well, we don't need, I don't know that you need him to discuss the genocide. I mean, no, but he's, he's a genocide expert. Well, what is a genocide expert? I mean, genocide is a definition and you apply it to the situation. A genocide expert is somebody who, who steeped in historical examples and judicial opinions who can make the case.

But anyway, I had a colonoscopy this morning and I didn't, I didn't expect to be available. Yeah. I was also in the back of my mind when you get a thing like this, say, what if, what if they, what if it's bad news? You know, so I just canceled, but then I was feeling fine. So the news was good? The news was good, yeah. Is it clear, all clear? We'll see in 10 years.

Seven years. Is it seven years? No, I think the first time I had a colonoscopy... My first one, they said 10. Well, the first time I had a colonoscopy at 50, I had a small polyp. So that puts you in a certain risk category. So then I had one again in five years, one again in five years, and now they moved on to seven years.

So did you enjoy the knocking out part or is that not so interesting to you? Well, it's interesting. I first of all, I just two weeks earlier, I had a wisdom tooth pulled and it's a different that puts it to that as well. You're completely under for the wisdom. Yeah. But it was a different that puts a sleep to that as well. You're completely under for the wisdom. Yeah. But it was a different drug, I guess. Are you not as smart now? Well, first of all, I was going to say, um, I had this one.

No, we need to acknowledge Perry else. Uh, uh, wordplay or whatever, you know, wisdom, wisdom. Yeah. Okay. I had, I had the wisdom tooth pulled and I did not even after the surgery, I did not have one minute of grogginess of no, not just pain. I could not even tell if the tooth they pulled was at the top or the bottom of my mouth. Like I'm not even like,

I want to go to the dentist and verify that the tooth is out. I've never experienced anything like this in my life. I had serious dental work with stitches. I did not take any painkillers and I did not feel anything. But when you came out of the anesthesia, you were loopy. No, I wasn't loopy. Wait a second. I don't do loopy.

That's insane. I mean, so immediately after you couldn't tell maybe you were still numb. What about like a few hours later? Never. I never felt... Well, they have to give you paink still numb. What about like a few hours later? Never. I never felt. Well, they have to give you painkillers. They're ripping a tooth out. They didn't give me any painkillers.

They gave me a bottle of painkillers that I could take. So what they did is I woke up, which was weird, with like a mouthful of Novacaine. So I guess- That's a painkiller. Yeah. So I guess what they did is they gave me some Novacaine, just tied me over, right? And then, so I was expecting it to come. I was going to wear off. And is they gave me some Novacaine, just tied me over, right? And then, so I was expecting it to come, how I was going to, it's going to wear off. And then they gave me this bottle.

You can't get the good stuff anymore. They gave me a bottle like the heavy duty Advil, whatever it is. I kept waiting for it. And then Novacaine went away. Nothing. Well, how heavy duty could Advil be unless they do, they give you like, you know, a pill that's like six of them. I don't know.

I don't know. Yeah, they do give you, and then they tell you to Advil in tunnels because they don't want to give you O, you know, a pill that's like six of them. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, they do give you, and then to tell you to have an adult tunnel, they don't want to give you OxyCondone anymore, but it doesn't matter because I didn't need it. I never had any pain. That's crazy. So that was that.

Are you sure they actually did surgery? I don't know. Did you go back to the dentist and have him checked? I'm going to go back. So that was that experience, but I don't know what chemical they gave you for that. So then this one, I guess was this. Propofol. Propofol.

Propofol. Propofol, yeah. And this one I dreamed. Oh, I didn't have a dream. I had dreams that Mustafa and I were arguing about this latest thing in Israel with the IDF soldiers were shot at people who were getting aid. And that was literally my dream because I'm very upset about this thing. And I didn't know he's upset about it.

But what was interesting about this, I wear a aura ring, and the aura ring did not detect me as having slept. Well, it's not sleep. Well, I guess not. It's just some other state. But I didn't know you could dream during that state. I never had a dream.

I just, to me, I was just switched off and I turned and then I woke up with no intermediary. Well, maybe I fell asleep while I was in that state. It could be that the state between when they start to bring you out of it, that could have been not more of a hallucination than a dream. Well, whatever. I felt mean true or not even a hallucination But maybe you had a dream in that space like it feels like you were dreaming the whole time probably but maybe it was just Like I have 30 seconds probably when they were pulling you out that you started dream. I would imagine I have no idea But they say it's like being a switch dog. I mean that really made me not believe in God of all things

You know is like if there's's any evidence that there's nothing beyond, you know, consciousness is simply a function of the physical process because they can turn you off like a light switch and you know, and you're not there. And then they bring you back and now you're back. But I don't know if that makes any sense. But it's not Dan. It's just your brain. You think your brain is there's something more than just the physical biological processes going on.

As it turns out, no, it's just a bunch of biological processes. So which they can switch off the week before last, you guys did a podcast without me and it was very well reviewed. I wasn't that well reviewed. Yeah. Who reviewed it? Well, some, some suits. Okay. Who are are gonna be contacting you

about maybe giving you a gig. Oh, for real? Yeah. You don't know this yet? No idea. This is so fucking slow. Yeah. They were talking about this already for 10 years.

A radio gig? So this, yeah, this company that does this- Like I Heart shit? Online podcast, interactive podcast, like with callers and stuff, they told me they want to contact you about maybe giving you, trying you out for a show. Oh, okay. Well, that's interesting. I didn't know. What about Periel? They didn't mention it. No, maybe Periel too. I don't know. I didn't, I don't know. It was just noted like Dan was very good.

And do you think he'd be interested in? I said, yeah, hell yeah. Well, if there's money involved. Oh, yeah, of course there's money involved. I don't know. Nowadays everything is... I said he'll work cheap. Anyhow, that's good. Yes, I've been meaning to listen to it. I heard you guys are very good.

Thank you. I mean, I was here also in my defense. Yeah. Well, all right. You know, we'll see. But maybe they'll. Maybe he'll keep you around Perry. I guess an officer. Well, I mean, I'll take it one step further.

I'd like to, I think that I bring out something in him if we're being honest. I got some feedback about that too. What'd you get? Well, she, she, well, she, she needled me about why I get stage fright, trying to- I don't know, needled is really a fair- Cause I was going on a cruise, which I've just done.

And then I was very anxious about it as I tend to be because I'm, I get stage fright, you know, even after all this time. I do too. I, when I was playing, you know, every night, every night I get some stage fright, you know, even after all this time. I do too. I remember when I was playing, you know, every night I get some stage fright. I mean, because it's, you know, it may not even be rational.

I mean, Perry, I was trying to logically talk me through it. Like, well, you've done this a thousand times, more than a thousand, and it's always, well, usually goes well. So, you know, why would you be afraid? And I have no answer to that, other than that, it's sort of a, I think just an innate primal fear that people have.

I mean, I was- Ray Allen doesn't get stage fright. No, Ray Allen doesn't. Ray Allen is as cool as a cue. And Chappelle, I mean, if I had to guess, doesn't seem to be even remotely bothered. He's quite at home up there. Well, I mean, just to push back on that a little bit

for the purpose of conversation, watching you, one would never think that you're having stage fright. No, that's not true. Well, I disagree. I can see when Dan's in the zone and when he's a little disconcerted. That's fine, that's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying. I'm saying is a general note. I've watched him perform so many times. It's not like you're watching him on stage and you're like, he looks like nervous. Well, the nerves generally are more before I go on. OK, OK. So once you're on, typically once I'm on, it's OK. No, no. But yes. But but unless Esti walks in the room.

Yeah, but what I do notice is- Or know him. Or know him, like unless I feel I'm being graded. Scrutinized, yeah. Well, I noticed that certain people, even when they're doing badly, even when the audience is not laughing, even when they're bombing, they don't care.

You don't see them react to it. They just move on and on and on. But Dan, if he's having a, and this is not a criticism because I'm no different, when he's having a B-minus set, a B set, he's sweating bullets. I could probably watch the set without the audio of the audience. Just by watching his set, I could probably tell, just watching him, I could probably tell you how he was doing. And is that because you know him so well for so long or is that? No, I think it's pretty obvious.

Because it's obvious. I think it's obvious. But you're saying anyway, it's usually more before. Yes. But yeah, if I'm not doing well, then, you know, it's gonna, it's yes. And I start to get, you know, flustered. That's hell, yeah. That's never fun. You know, but, well, I'll let you know what happens. How was your cruise? The cruise? Um, we went to Canada.

Like, like one of the stops was Boston. I, I, I was off the cruise by that time. Because the cruise went to Halifax, Nova Scotia, which, I mean, it looked like new Brunswick, New Jersey. You know, I don't know what the interest is. I guess there's some interesting things around there. I just kind of got off the ship and walked around and got back on the ship. And then I flew home from Sydney via Montreal, but the ship went on, it stopped in Boston. So I did get a joke out of it

because the name of the ship was the Island Princess. I said, this is the first time I've done a cruise that stops in Boston. Is this the Island Princess. I said, this is the first time I've done a cruise that stops in Boston. Is this the Island Princess or the Amtrak Princess? That's good. That did pretty well. And I guess that means that your show went well

since you got off the boat and walked around, because he was saying that he doesn't like to get off. No, no, I was saying, I don't like to get off if there's a tender. I mean, the little but like the little boat that takes you to the side. It's saying there's a little boat, the tender that takes you. If the if the ship cannot dock right at the dock, it has to anchor out to see there's a little boat that takes you in and little boat.

If you didn't do well and you're in the little boat with people that saw you'd not do well, that makes sense. Can be awkward. Whereas this ship just docked on the dock and I walked out. And again, it's like, I mean, I... Yeah, that doesn't make sense to you? Like in close quarters or like in an elevator after you just bombed? Well, I don't know. I think that he's thinking about it a lot more than anybody else is thinking about it. And I think it's quite unusual for him to bomb.

And so what's going on in his mind is probably- This was a particularly, she's referencing a bad set I had on a Ritz-Carlton cruise. You know, Perrielle, like- Here we go. There's just different types of people. Like, do you mind going to the bathroom in front of your husband? Pee or poop? Well, either, both. Well, no, not either, both. Those are two very different- I'm asking you, each- Pee, no problem at all, and no, I don't.

Cause some people like- That's gross. I don't like to go to the bathroom at all in front of my wife. You don't like to pee? You won't pee in front of your- I will under protest, but I don't like it. I just don't like, I like to have my own bathroom.

I don't like to shower in front of her. I just like my own privacy. Wait, what do you mean I don't like it. I just don't like, I like to have my own bathroom. I don't like to shower in front of her. I just like my own privacy. What do you mean you don't like to shower in front of her? I will take a shower with her, taking a shower with someone different. I just don't like to be washed. I don't know. It's like in the bathroom. Now Juanita, she could not care less.

Pee, poop, nothing, nothing bothers her. She would not get stage fright. No, she wouldn't. Yeah. She. You think there's a correlation between stage fright and, and, and going to the bathroom in front of a significant. It'd be really weird if they weren't. In front of somebody's very different than peeing in front of them. Yes. I agree with that too. Well, you have a large enough house where one can go to another part of the house and do their disgusting business elsewhere. Now we have only one, you know, expensive Japanese, what's the toilet, what's it, Neo-Rest toilet.

I don't know the brand. What is that for? Neo, Neo rest toilet. I don't know the brand. What is that? It has like, it washes your butt afterwards. Yeah. And nobody wants to use any other toilet than that. That's funny. This is an amazing technology.

Well, no, and it's not what squirting water off your butts and amazing technology in the era of artificial intelligence. This is what you find to be amazing. Well, it triangulates. It finds her butt, my butt, her, you know, front. It finds everything. Her front. Well, that is a little more interesting technologically speaking. It's an amazing. It is an amazing thing.

Why don't we all have those toilets? I don't know. In Japan, they all do. toilets? I don't know, in Japan they all do. Yeah. I don't know why everybody doesn't have them here. It's one of the best dollar for dollar, the best thing I've ever bought in my entire life. Are you serious? So you don't use toilet paper at all and then it dries you? It dries you, it has a hand dryer that...

Like a hand that comes up and wipes you? Like a hand dryer, but it comes up to to your butt and it's got different settings. The water is heated. Um, it's just an amazing thing. It's, it's a game. It's a totally different thing. Well, it's been around a while. I don't think this is a new technology. It's not, well, they have the days and stuff, but I'm just, no, no, no, this specific thing has been around for like least, well, like how long? I didn't say it was a brand new technology.

It's just for you. Well, in America, you don't see it very often. In Japan, you see it in a public park. Like it's every toilet in Japan. You don't see one that's not like that in Japan because in Japan, they don't vandalize things. They don't write graffiti on them. They don't destroy them.

Here, it wouldn't last five minutes in a public place, but Having said that even a lot of well-to-do people don't have them in their houses And you would think every well-to-do person would have it in their house because it's well, it's no you're not even that expensive How expensive is it? Um It's a few thousand dollars, but I think you can probably get them cheaper Well, maybe we should get one. Maybe we should get a sponsor because I don't like one of the reasons. One of the reasons I don't want to do ads is I don't want to have to say, you

know, I wear Quinn's sweaters. I don't want you believe in this product. Yes. They don't have to write copy for me. I have the kids, have the kids gotten their hands on it yet. The entire house wants to use this toilet. Nobody wants to use any other toilet. I said, why don't you just get another one?

Yeah. She's like, no. That's how one is. She'll just get contrary. I'm like, why not? Get another toilet for the guests and for the kids. Yeah. She will.

She's going to replace every toilet in that house. She has to think of it, and then we'll get it. Speaking of technology, Perry referred me to an article about a man that's, his wife, they're having marital problems because the husband's is obsessed, addicted to chat GPT and think, I don't know if this is a real story. No, I think it is. I checked it a little bit. It looks like a real story.

This woman said that a chat GPT, chat, chat GPT like an Egyptian has, has ruined their marriage because all the husband wants to do is talk to chat GPT and she's blaming chat GPT and not herself. She must be a live wire. I don't know. He no, don't just blame her. Like it's a, do you think this is bless you You think this is normal that this guy is like falling in love with this?

I don't believe he's in love with chat. She beat he is he even her lumina. Oh, he even named her I Think she came up with the name check. Well, I will say, you know, you're talking to this thing it the illusion is very powerful that you're talking to a human being. And, you know, I could see. I haven't had that experience. Well, do you, I mean, do you feel like you're talking to a person? You know, to the point where you're almost like

embarrassed sometimes to say certain things or? I don't have conversations with it like that. I only use it in like a sterile way. I'm sure I could. I haven't, I just like, I'm asking questions. What about this? What about that? I don't ask you how it's feeling and stuff like that.

Sometimes I've gotten mad at it. No, I don't. I just like, you know, like if it's not giving me the answer, I want, if it's not telling me, oh, it's nothing. It's just anxiety. Well, yeah, you might want to see it. You might want to go to the ER. Then I start to get pissed off.

No, there are people that feel that it has insight, that it reads their soul. I've had one very famous journalist wife tell me that she thinks it has a certain supernatural ability. So people have these weird ideas about it. Well, because it's so astounding technologically. It's like, it's like witchcraft. It is. It's it's someone else like GPS, not GBT GPS, as astounding as it is.

I understand it. I get OK. You send a signal. It's unbelievable. But it's like I can explain it. You send a signal and it took, you know mic rocette whatever it and then you from the other satellite and you figured out where the thing but Chad GBT is I can't did I just I mean I'm sure somebody understands it although we had that woman in here that says nobody really understands it which is hard to believe but it's not that nobody understands it is that it does things that the people who program it wouldn't, wouldn't be. Yeah. Can't understand.

I'm sure it's exaggerated in some way, but because this thing is learning and because it has like neural networks, it does things that the people couldn't predict, which is not quite the same thing is can't explain that they can't explain yet But they but they don't know what it's capable of quite Well, you know, we're just at the beat at the dawn of this whole thing, yeah we're just at the dawn it's it's amazing and and its ability to reason and to tweak pros and things like that, it's It's tremendous. My kids use it all the time. So like my daughter, we fed ChatGPT a PDF of her textbook and asked ChatGPT to generate a multiple choice quiz.

And then after she'd mastered that, generate a short choice quiz. And then after she'd mastered that, generate a short answer section. And just like, you know, just quizzing her on her course material. It's fantastic. She's still got an F. They say it's making people- Did she really?

No, no, she had an F. They do say, I have read that it's making people dumber. Cause they're- It's making her smarter. Well, they've not talked about her. I'm talking about in general that like it's requiring a lot less mental work from people. So like they are having that right something. So their skills are deteriorating or not being formed.

Yes, that's, that's for sure. Like, like, like, like like a calculator have done for people's arithmetic. But on the other side, if you use it to learn, you can, you know. Sure, absolutely. You know, there's a, I mean, I don't know what, you know, as far as professions that are going to be replaced,

I would imagine teachers might be the first to go. Well, everything. Well, they're saying that like companies are buying up like independent, like plumbing companies because that's something that they don't think that like AI can take over and also dentist offices, like stuff that really requires like very technical candy work.

Yes, unless they invent robots that can do that. But that technology is not as we've discussed in a previous episode is not is not is not at the same level as the as the you know, the immediately they replace everybody in the postal system, the Motor Vehicle Bureau, like every profession where you have somebody like talking rudely to you and not wanting to help you, you know, like all these professions. All those jobs can be done better by AI. Like I want AI to answer the phones in my place too. I want AI to answer the customer's questions. It'll never get it wrong. It never gets exasperated. It never gets impatient.

Well, you were saying you wanted to put the website to integrate ChatGBT into the seller website. Yeah. Yeah. But have you done that yet? I guess not. Well, I've requisitioned it. I've commissioned it, but everything takes long now. You know, I noticed that in my career, as you get to be somebody's kind of best customer, you don't get the best service. Like you get to the, they put you at the bottom of the pile. When you become family. I don't know what it is.

They take you for granted. Like when you're a new customer, they wanna to please you. They want to win you over. Yeah. You've already been won over. Yeah. But at a certain point, it's like, I don't want to sound worse than it is, but like, these people you're dealing with, you know, lawyers and all various professionals, they're struggling to make a living.

People think everybody's rich. They're not. And if they get new business coming in, they want to satisfy that new business to establish a new customer. So I understand they prioritize new money. But boy, I can't get anything done anymore. Like I can't get anything done. And I don't feel like yelling and screaming anymore

like I used to, and I don't feel like yelling and screaming anymore like I used to and I don't feel like having Fallings out with people and bad blood so I I'm just I'm just half the man I used to be. Oh my god I mean, it's true Rama Well unless you find somebody else to do it and then you become the new customer Yeah, whoever is doing your your website, you find someone. Yeah, but taking your business elsewhere is more than anything I would even consider. I'm just saying like, yeah, I did order this stuff. Nothing's getting done.

Well, that's outrageous with all due respect. That's outrageous. It is outrageous. Well, you have to do it like a whole, I mean, how much is the new room going to affect the website? You actually have to add the show. I guess it's not that big a deal. You you have to do with like a whole, I mean, how much is the new room going to affect the website? You actually have to add the show. I guess it's not that big a deal. You just have to add in.

No, no, but if people aren't doing the work that they're being paid to do, they're, what do you mean? Why are you laughing? It's outrageous. It is outrageous. I'm laughing because you're like, because this is like total naive-tay.

No, it's not. You yelled at me the other day for saying something. This is like, this is like this is like you are 40 years you are mom Donnie Alright, well, that's a good segue. We'll get to him. You think you're just gonna go and you're gonna take care of you And we're gonna you're gonna freeze the rents and we're gonna fix the grocery stores. We're gonna That's it. I Nothing's gonna you're gonna fix the schools. We're gonna, these kids are gonna start doing better.

They're gonna start doing their homework. It's all nonsense. Nothing's gonna happen. I guarantee you that if whoever thought that you were about to take yourself someplace else and there was a real risk of losing whatever work you're giving them, suddenly people start to take that seriously.

Yes, at some point, yes. But in general, this this notion that, you know, this is an outrage, you should be able to just say it just doesn't work that way. And why are you comparing me to Mom Donnie? I just told you why. Because wait, wait, wait, somebody wrote in and they said, we're so excited to hear Noam's take on Mamdani. Well, I'd like to hear it.

Oh, we should, we, you know, somebody, somebody also wrote in and says we should do, um, uh, like viewer mail every week and we really should. So send your questions to podcast.com. We should have a thing at the end of every episode. Maybe the beginning. It's a great idea. Where we answer the questions. So I don't know, what's your view on MomDot? Well, I mean, you know, like all other political things, you're a lot more informed than I am. I don't follow this. You know, there's two issues people have with them. Number one, his socialism, his belief in, and obviously I know you

feel very strongly about rent uh... control and rent freezes and uh... and and anti inflationary measures of such as that uh... and then there's is is the jewish oriented the is a as far as i know what he said about israel is it did it i think he said it shouldn't be a jewish state it should be a state for everybody

and uh... any any any supports pds and he wouldn't condemn the phrase globalizing into FATA, though he says he doesn't use that phrase. So that's sort of the rundown of the... I would imagine you're more concerned about his economic positions. Mayor doesn't do foreign policy and obviously it's not ideal, but. I'm concerned about it all. I mean, I'm, yeah, I'm concerned. I mean, look, I know Eric Adams is, I'm just going to stipulate that he's corrupt in some

way because everybody says he's corrupt. Excuse me. And I know that that's the colonoscopy. That's how I feel about, you know, John Bonham's drumming. Everybody says he's the best. So I guess I'll just go with that. And I know that people don't like that he played footsie with Trump. But I don't know that New York, like, is there any big thing that's gotten worse in New York since he's been mayor, to me, if you're in charge and

things pretty much stay the same. And we had a little crime spike, but it seems to have abated now. Like I don't see why, why do people hate Eric Adams so much? Yeah, I'm not sure. I don't know. And so like the status quo, I'm not that unhappy with, especially if- You don't like congestion pricing, but- No, that's not Eric Adams. That wasn't him.

I'm not sure Eric Adams likes it either. And if the shit hits the fan with some sort of a police episode, which happens, you know, every so often and it will happen again. I much prefer Eric Adams' reflexes than I'm sure I'm going to feel about Mamdani's reflexes. I much prefer Eric Adams to have been my mayor than de Blasio or Mamdani when we were worried about riding in the streets and who would protect the stores and stuff like that. Yes the economics, I mean Larry Summers, Paul Krugman, like the most reliable democratic economist say, Larry Summers had a tweet, there's two ways to destroy a city, bombing and rent control. Like this is a liberal Obama's rent control is is a ridiculous idea. That doesn't work. I'm old

enough to remember all the burnt out buildings. You are too, Dan. You're all you can see all the miles and miles of South Bronx used to be a punch line. And now it's actually kind of building like it's fun that Donnie lives in a $2 million apartment in Chelsea too. Yeah. And I mean, I don't, I'm not, if anyone was wondering, I'm turning in for this city is not, I don't have rent control apartments. I don't, I don't make my money in real estate anyways. It's not a, I want New Yorkers to be able to have affordable housing.

Everybody I know who has not everybody I know, but most people I know who have rent stabilized apartments are wealthy people who've had the apartment for 30 years. Everybody I know who has, not everybody I know, but most people I know who have rent stabilized apartments are wealthy people who've had the apartment for 30 years. They got it from their parents. I mean, it's an outrage. To me, rent stabilization is about allowing well-to-do people to keep their steels. The apartment's so cheap, it's a steal.

And of course, if, if landlords can't, I mean, I don't, I don't want to say, I don't put my foot in my mouth. I don't know the law enough, but owning a building is like owning any other business and people need to be able to make a profit. And if they can't make a profit, they're going to cut corners on maintenance and cut and they're not going to build more of them. And the city doesn't want you to build more of them. Anyway, the city is a fucking mess. And this is my big worry. Okay. I'll tell you my big worry.

I lived through the bad times in the seventies when there was crime and the city was underwater financially and everything seemed to be falling apart. But at that time, people really had no place else to go. The industries which were based in New York, whether it was Wall Street or show business, or I don't even know what they, what they were at the time, garment district, you name it. Uh, you know, they just had to grin and bear it because you could not up and leave New York city at that time.

Where were you going to go? Seattle, right? Atlanta. Now, if New York were to descend into a another bad time, like a really bad time, I fear that it will be like rats leaving a sinking ship. The entire financial industry, Wall Street, which New York is completely dependent on, does not need to be in New York. It can be run from any bedroom on planet earth.

You don't need, I mean, I don't know all the deals, but you know, like it used to be like, you had to go on the floor and sell it. Like it was a real thing. It's all automated now. I mean, it's all digital. And if the people who do these jobs can't live here nicely, have nice homes,

live affordably, have families, send their kids to, and on top of that, it gets worse. They say, fuck this shit, I'm out of here. And that can cascade and it can pick up steam, snowball. So I'm just very worried because I'm so rooted here with the comedy seller. I'm worried that New York could take a turn for the worse as it has cyclically in the past,

but this time there's no bottom. This time there's no countervailing force of the necessity of being in Manhattan. And I'm afraid that the bottom could fall out in Manhattan. Now that's an alarmist view. Probably won't happen. There's a lot of, there's museums. I know there's all sorts of things in New York, but that's what I'm afraid of. And a guy like Mamdani, as naive and, you know, out of touch as he is about what it means to live in the real world, like to really scratch away a living, employing people, like it scares me, that's all.

And as far as Israel goes, yeah, Harry Endon was on CNN today saying that democratic parties now 57%, it swung from 17% pro-Israel to 57% pro-Palestinian. So that's where, I mean, I've been thinking that for years already, but that's where it's going. Maybe, obviously October 7th, and I mean, the Gaza war is an irritant and some of that might come back in the other direction once there's peace, but that scares me too.

And what I didn't predict is that the Republicans are now on a knife's edge. Trump is very pro-Israel. You know, everyone who called Trump an anti-Semite should be taken out in shot. But Trump is not an anti-Semite. That was such a calumny. But anyway, Trump is very pro-Israel, but a lot of MAGA people, a lot of people around him, the Tucker Carlson's, you know, they are not pro-Israel. So support for Israel, that can also, the bottom can fall out of that. And

Israel is not doing itself any favors with these kinds of stories where they, you know, shooting, you take the best case of what Israel did with these aid, these aid, people getting aid, getting shot, which is having only one method of crowd control, which is firing fucking live ammunition to disperse crowds. Obviously, I mean, I think anybody who thinks that they actually were mowing people down on purpose, like somebody said, target practice, this is insanity. You know, what do you mean by, by using a live ammo? You mean shooting in the air, shooting towards crowds, shoot, in other words, if you are delivering food and obviously, you know, you have hungry people, there can be stampeding, Hamas can sneak bombs. And obviously there's real risks here. You have to get extremely serious about

the procedures here. I heard one Israeli reporter say there weren't even signs. Like people, God forbid, I believe this is true because it was Javiv Rettigur who said it, you know, he's not exactly pro Hamas. He said there was stories like people moving, walking in the wrong direction, cause they really didn't know which direction to walk in. I don't know if these people were actually killed or not, but then, you know, warning shots fired or maybe killed. I don't, I don't know. Yeah. I don't know what the fuck they're doing.

Obviously this doesn't explain everybody's attitude about Israel. But like I said, it doesn't help. I'm very upset about that. Just getting back to the idea of affordable housing. Yeah. I mean, do you believe in that as a concept that we should have?

Other cities do have affordable housing. Well, how do you do it without rent control? I mean, if the market rate is... How do you have affordable everything else? But if the market rate is just beyond the means of a teacher, should we... And of artists... You have to build... Well, you have to build... You have to allow people to build housing.

You have to increase the supply. You have to get rid of those people who can't... Who shouldn't be in those rent control departments because they're holding on to, you have people normally, like where I live in Westchester, you see it all the time. People move into a family, they have, they raise their kids, then they become empty nesters, and then they move to a smaller house because they don't want to pay these taxes, which constantly go up for this five bedroom house when it's just the husband and wife. So they move to a smaller house or they move out of town.

In these rent controlled apartments, you have these, like I grew up in Nebo West Side Island, these huge apartments, five bedrooms, three bedrooms. They have three, four kids. The kids all move out. And by the time the kids all move out, the rent is so cheap that people just keep the apartment and they have these sprawling apartments

where two people live. And then the kids move in. No. Well, the kids will move out, the rent is so cheap that people just keep the apartment and they have these sprawling apartments where two people live. And then the kids move in. No. Well, the kids, if they die. Or they start subletting, illegally subletting. I'm just saying that you have to get everybody out of these apartments, let them let the market reach an actual price, let supply increase to meet the market demand. And then, yes, if you have a particular group of people who we feel are in the public interest, like teachers, let's say,

then of course the tax base as a whole can write the teacher a check for rent. I mean, you know, take it out of the landlord's hide. If we all want teachers to be able to afford apartments in their school district, let's say. So the city can- How valuable is it to have a teacher that lives near the school? I don't know.

I'm saying, I'm following your logic here. I'm saying if you say, listen, we want- Which professions I wonder. I mean, people say you want to have artists here just because they make the city more interesting just by being here. We used to have a thing for artists. I think the artist thing, I think that ship is sailed too. But I'm just saying.

There's still a building on the west side that you can enter a lottery in for artists. Yep, okay, but my point is this. If we think that poor people can't afford food, We give them a check. That's right, we give them money for food. We don't order the restaurant to lower its prices, but somehow housing is treated differently. I understand emotionally,

well, it's not really different than food emotionally, but I understand emotionally housing is a very, as I said, it's, it touches a mystic chord. It's, we want people to have shelter. It's a basic requirement. But the price of it still responds to the same supply and demand as every other item in the world. And that's why Paul Krugman, who's more liberal economist than Paul Krugman,

you know, he's like, the one thing all economists agree on is rent control doesn't work. You can Google it, Paul Krugman on rent control. Anybody see his column on it from like 15 years ago, 2010 or something. Everybody knows it doesn't work. And what about the anti-Semitic, fanning the flames of anti-Semitism,

refusing to condemn, globalize the intifada? Like this is insane. Yeah, I'm very offended. I mean, it's not just in a vacuum. There are these phrases, globalize the Intifada from the river to the sea and even anti Zionist that they use all the time as slogans and they will not define them. And they know that every one of them has a menacing interpretation, and not a, you know, ridiculous, not a hysterical interpretation, but an actual the Intifada was when to this day when a boss wants to push Netanyahu back, he says, oh, you don't want another Intifada, do you? And Netanyahu does not interpret that to mean, oh, he's threatening nonviolent protest. Everybody

knows what he means. And everybody knows what River to the Sea means. Well, just to, just to explain, the Intifada was basically people blowing up restaurants and buses and civilians blowing up civilians. Yeah. And. So and none of these phrases are essential to a movement. They can you know, the slogan could be two states for two people. That's a very good marching crowd. Like if the

Palestinians, you know, and everybody was saying, why don't the Palestinians and their supporters march for two states for two people? Why do they prefer rivers to the sea? Well, because they don't want two states. Right, right. And you know, they could say, I'm sure, you know, no justice, no peace. I don't know what, I mean, that's already provocative, but I'm sure there are phrases to globalize a movement that don't have to use words that are taken to mean violence or terrorism.

And then even anti-Zionist, what does it mean? You're opposed Israel's policies, does it mean you You're opposed Israel's policies. Does it mean you're against people like me who believe that the Jews should have a country? Does it mean you want the eradication of the state of Israel? Yes. Well, does it mean, and when you say a one state solution, you mean another Arab majority state?

And by the way, this upsets me so much because does anybody not understand you're going to have a bloody civil war in this one state of an Arab majority? Does anybody not understand there will be no democracy, there will be no human rights, there will be everything, you know, I'm sorry to say, but you know, everything that every other Everything, you know, I'm sorry to say, but you know, everything that every other state of that nature has will descend on Israel except with the gasoline of, of, of race or, you know, ethnic hatred on, it's, it's, it's insanity. And um, is it anti-Semitic? I, I, you know, I don't know.

Well, does it matter? I mean, of course it's anti-Semitic or it's fanning the flames. Does it matter? Well, I've always said, does it matter if it's anti-Semitic? If it's, if it's, you know, if it's destructive and, um, but why is it hard to condemn that? Like why is it hard unless you don't believe that, right? Like unless you actually don't think that that's the only reason I can imagine that somebody who's running for mayor for New York wouldn't want to say, I condemn the phrase

globalize because unless you don't think that there's anything wrong with it, he doesn't, he doesn't, he obviously doesn't think there's anything wrong with it. He obviously doesn't think there's anything wrong with it. He doesn't. He doesn't. He obviously doesn't think there's anything wrong with it. He obviously doesn't think there's anything wrong with it. Well, that's- No, is this a city issue? Insane. I mean, we'd like to be represented by people who didn't feel that way. On the other hand, there might be more Muslims at this point in New York City than there

are Jews. Well, it could be a cold political move. Yeah. And they might have a cold political. Yeah. And they might have, well, he, he was an activist for this in college too. It was, he was as the founder of SJP or something. But, um, you know, he, as, as Harry pointed out on CNN today, he's that's the way the wind is blowing. That's where it is.

That's the way the wind is blowing. That's where it is. And the reason I'm hesitant to always call it anti-Semitic because I know that people are such idiots. I mean, they get swept away and uninformed, and they get swept away in this social justice stuff. And also because we know people that feel this way. We know them personally. We know that they're not.

I mean, look, if you, if you look at the moral panics that we lived through in the last 10 years, where huge numbers of people believed things, which at this point now we realize not only were not true, but we're kind of already at the point, like, how did everybody believe this? Like, how did everybody believe that Joe Biden was in his right mind? How, like people were swearing to you. No, but what we're seeing on the frigging, you don't need anti-Semitism or bigotry to explain this kind of like we're watching this guy. He's obviously, you know, cognitively in a decline and 50 something percent of the

country is like, no, he's fine. Or to me, it was obvious or should have been obvious that Trump was not a Russian spy and everybody believed it. And what are the other things that like, oh, this, the trans thing. Like, I think we are settling down now to the reasonable position where that we want all trans people to have fulfilling lives. We don't want any laws that are discriminatory. But that when people were looking at Leah Thomas in those big broad shoulders in a one piece female bathing suit with a bulge and saying, no, that's, what are you, that's a woman.

And they get mad at you if you say, I don't, what are you talking about? Like this was some sort of peer pressure, temporary insanity, cultural overlay. And I'm just observing these things and saying, well, if you can see all that and understand it, then you know, like maybe, you know, how much do you expect of people who are seeing

poor people dying in Gaza and don't have any kind of a deep well of information to put it in any kind of context. So of course they blame Israel. And sometimes they're right to blame Israel. But of course they, so they say, we want one country where everybody has equal rights and votes. That doesn't, that's not like a, you need to be informed to be able to see past that and saying, no, no, you don't understand that. That sounds good, but it's actually a recipe for, for horror, horrors and for violence and for death and for killing and for misery. So you know,

by the way, did you ever get an apology or retraction from that woman on Twitter that posted that clip of you? Yes. Apology, no, they took down the clip and people who jumped on me, then sort of, oh no, you were right. I looked at the clip, he's... Yeah, but those same people, they're gonna do it again. Wait, what happened?

Somebody took out five seconds of me saying something about... Well, can I say what you said? Yeah, sure. Noam was, we were talking about trans women in women's locker rooms. And Noam said, we were talking about trans women in women's locker rooms. And Noam said, I don't know if my daughter would be traumatized by seeing a trans woman's penis. Noam was thinking out loud about how traumatic

that might or might not be for his daughter. I said, I find it very jarring, but I'm open to the idea that, and in the back of my mind, I was thinking about how people used to feel when they saw a white person, a black person to get like, I understand that that part of it is probably just a Pavlovian response that

I'm having. And that probably is a good chance that it would not affect my daughter psychologically, even one bit in terms of the trajectory of her life. I'm, I'm open to that idea. But, but, but having said that, I also said, I'm against it and I, and I don't, and I certainly wouldn't impose that on other people. You, you know what I've said many times. So they just took out the part where Noam said, I don't think my daughter would be psychologically harmed by that. And the, you know, the people jumped on him and said horrible things. You're no father.

You hate women. You don't want women to have spaces. Yeah, but also it was more vicious than even that. Yeah, it was really bad. And it was the townspeople with pitchforks. Who is the person who posted that? Some women, I forgot who. But I was kind of laughing them off.

I said, what was you people? You're all psychotic? Like, like I, I, I didn't say anything like that. Yeah, and they did. They didn't put in the power where he at the end of the day, where he said he came down on the side of which I know is something you disagree with. Periel is that trans women, he said, no, I'm said should not be in women's locker rooms. But I know Periel disagrees with it.

Especially young girls locker rooms like my daughter's locker room an 11 year old's locker room. I And I don't know that I agree with this Leah Leah What locker room either like I guess they do yeah like a health club health club mine. Well, listen, I don't know I think that these arguments you're, this is going to upset you. We're going to talk about this because we've talked about this a million times. Okay, fine. So move on. And you've been wrong. You'll be wrong again. What else then?

I don't know if I'm wrong. I want to talk about this Bob Villain thing. You guys- I don't know much about it. He's a guy from England, right? At the Glastonbury- Death to the IDF? Yeah. Death to the IDF. And- What kind of army chooses a name from England, right? At the Glastonbury. Death to the IDF? Yeah.

Death to the IDF. What kind of army chooses a name that rhymes with death and then gets mad at people? And he got dropped. First of all, he got dropped by UTA and there was like a really big, and rightly so, pushback by like the federal. I thought you said it was CAA, not that it matters. I was wrong. It was UTA, which is why I checked and corrected myself before I said that. Um, I was shocked, shocking that Jews don't like to represent people who want them dead. Right.

I mean, first of all, every Israeli citizen more or less is required by law to serve in the IDF, right? So every Israeli by definition has been almost, you know, 98 something percent has served in the IDF. So basically what he's saying is to kill every Israeli citizen. Maybe. I doubt that's what he's saying. Well, I think that that's... would he saying is to kill every Israeli citizen? Maybe. I doubt that's what he's saying. Well, I think that that's... You think if you asked him that, he would say,

yes, I mean, kill every Israeli citizen. I don't care what he meant. That's what he said. I mean, what does that mean? He didn't walk it back and say like, oh, that's not what I meant. I like, who gets on... I would imagine he meant any currently serving uniformed soldier. Oh, OK. Like that's a put that's supposed to make it better.

Well, it makes it not anti-Semitic. It just makes it, you know, he's choosing a side and the other side. Like if I said death to Hamas. Then I don't mean death to Palestinians in general. Well, first of all, I don't think that like you can compare. No, I don't think you can. But I'm the question is, is this an anti-Semitic thing or I don't know if it matters that it's anti-Semitic or not.

Like if you want to criticize bad things that the, you know, military has done or the government, like that's fine. Nobody's saying that you shouldn't do that. But like this, I'm going to give you the answer. In my opinion, what is anti-Semitic in some way is that the world is on fire about something that's going on vis a vis-vis Israel when they've never been on fire this way before about countless other... But did you hear... I'm sorry, I was listening to Barry Weiss and she was saying that like the amount of times the word genocide is in the New York Times has used the word genocide is like 10 times the amount of times they used it during the Rwanda genocide. Something like that.

Yeah. Yeah. But this is not a genocide. Even that is, you know, let's not get into it now. And in some way, you know, the double standard is so extreme double standard is so extreme that it becomes impossible to explain away other than something is juicing it up. Now having said that, within that universe, Death to the IDF is a kind of a generic political statement if you're looking for a slogan to, to, uh, you know, to, to chant vis-a-vis your opposition to Israel. And what I took from it, it's, you know, it doesn't matter what he said to see that huge group of people chanting it, no matter what it was, even if they had been clever enough to choose something

that is not on its face kind of incriminating. We still know what they meant. You know what I mean? Like, it's not about the words anymore. It's about the. The world is on fire, seething with hatred, expressing it now more and more openly and in, in, in, in violence against Israel, anybody who can be associated with Israel.

And this, this started prior to October 7th when professors were not allowed to speak at campuses. Everything is Berkeley on any subject if they were known to have been Zionist. So you know, I, it's a very, very bad situation. Yeah. I, I, you know, and the line between that and violence against Jews internationally has been completely destroyed. Like that line doesn't exist anymore. I just want to exaggerate things.

I hope they end the war now because now that Iran is, um, now that Iran is, is defeated in some way, they take care of Iran, Hezbollah. I don't see what choice they have now, but to end the war. And hopefully when they end the war, things will calm down. Listen, I hope they end the war too. I've been hoping they would end the war for months and months and months. I believe that this has very little to do with that war and has moved into a different space. And I think that the line that may or may not have been blurred or whatever that is,

like it's, it's not about that. Most of these people, what they know about the war would fit in a fucking thimble. Okay. Like if you ask them to articulate anything, they cannot do it. And it's inciting violence against Jews all over the world. And that's a material fact, regardless of what you think about Gaza or Iran or anything else. What else is there to talk about?

I think, I don't know. Dan's hair. My hair. Well, my hair, I did dye it for a time. Estee liked it dyed. Aruba Ray encouraged me to dye it. I stopped dyeing. Somebody actually had the nerve to tweet, oh you're aging, you've aged so much in the

past. Yeah, but I stopped dyeing my hair, unless there's something else about me that's getting older. But I still haven't dyed it in a while, so that's gray. And I'm getting more compliments on my way back to gray than I ever got when it wasn't gray. I told you that. I don't know. I told you that. Now maybe there's a middle ground where I could just ferment it, and it'd be like somewhere in between dying it and full gray. But you're conflating aging with looking better, and the fact is that you- I did look younger that the old.

You might look younger, but not better. I don't think you look younger either. I think you look like you just dye your hair. And like, I think that you have nice gray hair and you should just embrace that. It is shocking to know gray hair is a very, very, I think explicit reminder that you're not the exception to the everybody dies rule.

Right. You know, you're getting, I mean, very clearly you're getting older, even if you feel okay, even if you can still run up a flight of stairs. I mean, I was, I was never in shape. So there's really no decline there. That's not true either. And also I think you should just embrace the fact that you're a guy and nobody cares that your hair is gray.

Tiana, you say what? From the young woman perspective. Tiana, wake up. I'm up. I don't know if you recall my dye days. I don't. To be honest with you, I think I've only seen you like this Okay, so maybe you know this good. You don't remember when Dan looked like a guy at the Second Avenue deli putting the rolls in his bed

No, I think it looks good, but I also like older men it is first of all that sexual harassment wing Was I gonna say I had What else you like Tiana? I like gray hair. I like comedians. Oh, if you weren't Jewish, then. Okay.

Well, you're getting your, well, you're composing yourself. I would like you to weigh in on the Diddy trial as the last talking point. I know nothing about it. Oh yeah, what I was gonna say is it's just weird that they can't get the color right. It seems like so easy. Well, you went to like a random place that like Ray Ellen sent you to

at like a corner barber shop. I figure Ray Ellen, I mean, Ray Ellen, you know. You get what you pay for. Yeah. You go to a nice, I'll take you to a nice salon. It'll not- Go to Bumble and Bumble, they nice salon. It'll go to Bumble and Bumble. They'll do it right. What's Bumble and Bumble?

Is that a high end salon? Like 30 years ago it was. Whatever. You know who you should go to is Juanita. She's actually an expert at hair. I maybe just get the shampoo that kind of makes it a little less gray, but it doesn't, you know. No, the problem is you can't do that because you have a white complexion. Why are you laughing, Tiana? No, no, because what happens with a fair complexion is that this is

really awkward and obvious contrast. It just doesn't look right. Like black guys, I know, they'll do like just for men. You can't tell. She's like black hair, dark skin. It just, you really don't see, but yeah, you need to go to it. You need to spend the money then. And the problem is, you know, it's only good for a few weeks. It's not going to happen. He's not going to.

Yeah. It's not even the money. It's just, it's a pain in the fucking ass. You don't need it. Move on. It looks good. Count your blessings. You have a gorgeous full head of hair and no doesn't seem to have a lot of gray and

he's got a few years. You mean beard is quite great. No, but on his head, his beard is very great, but not his on his head. I see it as just sort of a copper. He's fully gray. What are you talking about? My hair, my hair, my head is fully gray. Not in his head on his beard. My beard is fully great. No, your beard is white and gray. White are you talking about? My hair, my head is fully gray. Not in his head, on his beard.

My beard is fully gray. No, your beard is white and gray. White is gray. There is no such thing as gray hair. Gray hair is white hair. What color do you think your hair is? There's no, gray hair is not actually a gray hair. It's a hair without pigment. It's white. Look, I don't think there's actually a gray hair. Yes. No. It just looks great when it's mixed in with it with the Yes, when you when you see a guy who's completely gray his hair is white You've never seen a guy with completely gray hair. Look you guys are really wasting time here. It's ridiculous You are it doesn't matter what color your hair is your your guys Nobody gives a shit now women on the other hand, God forbid,

it's like a crime against humanity. I know it's not fair, but that's that. Women have all this power when they're young and then, you know, and then the worm turns. The worm? The worm turns, right? It's not an expression. I don't know. Is it? I've never heard that before. It's an expression. Yeah. Can we talk about Diddy for a second? We don't know anything about Diddy. We do, he was acquitted on the two- On the racketeering, but convicted on- The two minor charges. Transporting a woman for prostitution or something.

Like if you put a woman on a plane and pay her for sex when she gets there, that's like worse than just paying a woman for sex. Was any of this non-consensual? Cause they can't. Well, the stuff. Did anybody physically raped? Well, I think that was the accusation.

I think a lot of people. But that he was not found guilty of that. Thank you, Tiana. Now. Transportation of girlfriends for prostitution is not a crime as far as I'm concerned. That's a fucking travesty. No, no, no, no.

I don't know anything about this trial, but nobody should be getting convicted of transport who cares about prostitution of any kind in 2025. Well, it could be the kind of thing where they're like, well, we don't want to convict them of the harder, we just, we don't, it could be like a jury notification thing where like, well, we know he's guilty of the racketeering, but we don't want to send him away for life So we'll just we'll just say he's guilty of of the bullshit charge No, no, there were women that were like severely abused and like but I don't think was found guilty Okay, maybe not but we found guilty of transporting women for prostitution. So your point is maybe well

So maybe the jury just said well, we don't want to send him away forever So we'll just make because it was like life in prison. Now, the thing that's crazy is, is that outside the courtroom, when this came out, people were like spraying baby oil all over each other and like screaming and like rubbing their tits and like. Why is that part of the. Well, that was part of what he was alleged as freak party where the freak outs were these gossip stories don't interest me. This isn't a gossip story. This is like one of like the most famous men in America and

powerful music moguls. This is not about gossip. It's about a famous music mogul sex life. When the AI came to seize his computers and all his stuff. They've also found a thousand bottles of baby oil, which was part of the sex that he would do. So he would want he would get these women in baby tubs and fill them with baby oil. And that's why he needed so many bottles. But it became like the going thing that this many bottles of baby oil were found. Like people are like, I could barely get through a bottle. I don't understand why he has so many. He would have these parties called freak ops and like

force his girlfriends to like have sex with other men. Like horrible things were like. Well, force them? I mean, that was it. Yes, force them. How do you force them? Well, I don't know. You are like. He was with drugs. He was with drugs. See, you have as much knowledge of this trial as the anti-Israel protestors do about Gaza. And this is why it's like, he forces, you don't know what you're talking about. You don't even feel about it. Well, he could have, he could have, you could say he manipulated them psychologically. He did.

Yes, he could, but she doesn't know. No, I do. I read about it. She's ready to say it happened, but she has no idea. But I think that the allegations, there were some allegations I think of non-consensual goings on. Drugs and psycho, I mean he was insane. He beat the shit out of his ex-girlfriend.

There's video of it. It's horrible. Did they convict him of that? I don't know. Did they convict him of that? No, I think it was just the prostitution thing. Yeah, they were trying to get him for sex trafficking and... Now sex trafficking means not...

I assume it means... I think it's bringing people over state lines. Yeah, it was a lot of like sex trafficking, bringing people over state lines. But how does that differ from just the transportation, you know, the prostitution thing? The people that he would hire to have sex with his girlfriends were prostitutes. And they would get taken with Diddy wherever he was to have these freak-offs. Look. So I guess that's why they're trying to get him on that stuff.

I'm going to wade into dangerous ground here. And everything has to be taken on a case-by-case basis, obviously. Within any scenario, you could present me- They're going to cut this part out when they post it on Twitter but within any scenario right you can present me with a fact pattern which I will say yes that guy needs to go to jail that's a criminal but in general when a big famous guy is having parties and sex is in the air and there's baby oil and there's music and, and grinding and all of it. I don't know if you've, you know, I've seen this stuff a little bit in my life. I saw Eyes Wide Shut, but other than that.

And people going, people going into people's bedrooms and people going into hotel and so whatever it is, my general feeling is that the women involved are not naive. Oh my God. And that the likelihood is they're looking for a payday. The likelihood, again, I need to know the, well, obviously the jury agreed with me. We need to know the fact, that's why I said, now an accusation of somebody being held down, physically detained,

things like that, these are all quite different. But the idea that, yeah, I took some pills and then I woke up in the room with a... Yeah, and he raped me when I was sleeping and like... Well, no, pills are a different story. Now that crosses a line. Not unless they slipped your pills against your will. I'm just saying if you go into parties that have... If they slipped your pills against your, against your will. Right. I'm just saying if you go into parties that have-

If they told you it was one pill and another pill. Rap stars and sex and drugs and pills and, and you know, and like we know what this would look like in a movie. You cannot be a delicate flower. You know, when you wake up, you were so fucked up, you had sex, whatever it is. I don't trust that. Absent a clear fact pattern and say, no, you don't understand. This is what happened.

It's the same reason I was skeptical about the Mike Tyson charge. The woman went up to his room. It's just Mike Tyson in the room. She took her own underwear off. All things like, you know, uh, yes, he might've, he might've raped her. I don't know. But in general, I feel like among adults, when you go home with Mike Tyson to his hotel room at night and take your underwear off, you now you have to prove to me like, like, because it sounds to me like, you know, because, well, listen, this is, Peral's looking at me.

The only reason you should look at me that way is if the following, you don't believe that there are large numbers of people out there who are looking for paydays and we're looking to turn what is exactly the type of situation that I'm saying into a way to grab money from someone. And I'm telling you, we have people who pour water on the floor and then trip on it in order to sue us. And that extrapolate that attitude towards people having sex with billionaires. And I'm saying there's a tremendous huge incentive for these people to say he did something to me because they know

they're gonna get a settlement. May I respond to that? With the difference that coming accusing a famous man of rape carries a terrible cost in and of itself. You might get a payday, but the- Everything has to defer to the facts. That's what I'm saying. I don't know the facts. Just my general predisposition is like, show me the facts. Of course, if you show me facts of someone who's raped,

I'll say they were raped. So here's the thing. I'm not saying that there aren't people out in the world who want to manipulate or try have sinister motives. What I am saying is that a woman going up to Mike Tyson or anyone else's hotel room and taking off her underwear, she can change her mind for having sex at any point. Yes, she can.

And what is this? Here's a breakdown. Racketeering, conspiracy, not guilty, sex trafficking by force, fraud or coercion, not guilty. See that to me, like if he's, if he's not guilty by force, fraud or coercion, send the man home case dismissed. Well he probably will get, I think he technically it says here he faces a maximum of 10 years for each count, but likelihood is he's not going to do very much time if that's the only

charge that has stuck. Why wasn't him beating the shit out of Cassie that was caught on video? Statute of limitations probably. Yeah, I think it was because it happened so long ago. Horrible. What the issue is, the blurred line here is that Cassie and other people voluntarily took drugs and also were given drinks that had drugs in them that many people can corroborate happened to them as well

at a ditty party. And so that's why people are like, he should have gotten convicted at least for the second line. Now, do. Um, because it wasn't enough, I guess, for the jury. They didn't go with that particular decision. And by the way, on the Mike Tyson thing in general, I think most people, although they won't say it out loud, sort of agree with me because what we saw was that as soon as this guy, supposedly a brutal rapist, got out of prison, he was lauded. He's in the movies, he's starring on-

So is Harvey Weinstein. Oh, no, he's not. No, he's not. Well, now he's not, but he was, I mean- I'm saying that the pop culture embraced Mike Tyson in a way that they should not have embraced somebody they really thought was a brutal rapist. That's just, you know what I'm saying? If you really think somebody did something as God awful as that,

if that was the general belief, I don't think people would, like I don't think people are going to be embracing Bill Cosby anytime soon. Isn't Bill Cosby like on tour for like a few years now, like performing it, like theater. I'm sure there's some people that are on his side. Yeah. You know, but, um, I think we just don't know what happened with Mike Tyson. I have no idea what happened with Mike Tyson. I'm just using that as an example. And I think that to this day, the only P Diddy song I know is, um, is the sting one, the, the, uh, the one,

the tribute he did to Biggie Smalls back in like 97, or even earlier. I don't know when it was 97, something like that. All right. So Tiana, do you think that at this point, you know more or less about the war in Gaza than you do about Diddy's trial? I think it's equal. Are we done? I think so. So yeah, so send in your mail bag. Send in your mail to the mail bag, you know, podcast at comedy. So it comes. Let us know if you think Mike Tyson was guilty or not. Let us know what questions you have that you want no I'm to answer. All right, that's it.

Thank you. Bye.