The Comedy Cellar: Live from the Table - BONUS Episode: Dan Naturman, Periel Aschenbrand, Dov Davidoff

Episode Date: May 21, 2020

BONUS Episode: Dan Naturman, Periel Aschenbrand, Dov Davidoff

You're listening to The Comedy Cellar, live from the Table, the official podcast of New York's world-famous comedy seller, coming at you on Raw Dog XM99 and at the Riotcast Podcast Network. This is a special bonus episode. This is Dan Natterman, normally the co-host with Noam Dorman, but this is a bonus episode. Noam's not here. He might stop by. But we have Periel with us.

Periel never misses a Live from the Table broadcast. We have Dov Davidoff, old friend of the podcast, old friend of mine, old friend of the podcast. How are you, everybody? This is a special bonus episode, as I've said,

where we're going to be a little less, perhaps, politically oriented than we might be when Noam's involved, and perhaps a little more comedy oriented. We'll see how it goes. Dov, it's been a while since I've seen you. I've spoken to you on this telephone. Yes, that's correct. I don't recognize the background.

Is that your home in Jersey or somewhere else? Oh, no. I'm in the middle of a closing debacle on my home in Jersey. I won't bore anybody with the details. But we should close later this week. But there was some plumbing issues. Somebody, but I had to rent a place in the meanwhile, you know. And ironically, it's more expensive to rent

a place out here than it is in the middle of Manhattan right now, which is the first time in my lifetime that's the case. And it's, you know, because if you're right outside the city and there's some trees around, whatever money exodus took place from the Upper East Side, the Upper West Side and the West Village is looking for places in Westchester and, you know, Jersey and Montclair area, you know, that kind of thing. Anyway, I'm above a dentist office, but I'm in a nice neighborhood. I walk through a dentist, a common, a waiting area in order to get up to the third floor of my pre-war one-bedroom apartment. I got a wife and a child. Things are not good with my wife. You're living in a one bedroom place with a wife and a child. I am.

I am. There's this little side area where I sleep. I don't sleep with the wife. You understand. It's been some time now. It's not my thing. It's not my thing. But you're in the midst of some sort of separation.

Oh, well, you know, I look, we're not super clear on how it's going to break down, but suffice to say, before I get into it on this and get myself in more hot water than I already live in the middle of, I'm going to, you jumped off the podcast last week. Now, what's going on with that? MIA.

We're going to get to that, but I wanted to finish, unless you don't feel like talking about it. I can talk about it. I can talk about it. I can talk about it. I can certainly understand why you might not. We have nothing in common. You understand? She's not a bad person. I met her, perfect bone structure, quiet. I painted a personality on that that I could get along with. Turns out, I don't get along with her.

You can have 10 years of your life go by like that, baby. That's how wild it all is, and that's why the Yiddish proverb is, man plans, God laughs. Don't you get it? And how'd you get that background? I got it. Somebody sent it to me. I did a Zoom show.

I did a Zoom background. If you're listening via the radio, the background says the quarantine cellar. The quarantine cellar. That is good. It is funny. I did a Zoom show for a synagogue in Long Island, and they made this background for me. They thought it would be fun.

Yes. And so that's how I got the background, and I've been using it, much like I have one suit and I use it for all occasions. I have this background. I use it for all occasions. So that's not like an official – it's not official artwork. That was – Food leg artwork. How are you periel i'm i'm doing well

i you i can't you look great you look like tan and healthy and like oh yeah i'm not i mean i'm not feeling i'm not feeling that well i would just say before we get get on to the topic that you had brought up was as far as your wife is concerned, look, I don't live there and I don't know your wife well, but I would say that I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a better mommy for your child. There's tremendous maternal operations. And I think you'd be hard-pressed to find somebody that has your back to the extent that she does. I absolutely disagree with you, but I understand that you have the right to be wrong.

Well, that's my perception, but it's very limited. I only see you when I see you. Yeah, that's the opposite. The term is limited. And I will miss her because she has been a part of my life. When somebody is your friend's wife, they're part of your life too. Yes, yes, yes, certainly on some level. And I don't see why that necessarily needs to change. We're going to be co-parenting she'll still be part of my life and me of hers okay so i'll still i may you know maybe i don't know if you know you'd be opposed to her and i dating in any in any way i not only would be opposed i encourage you on i in the most vociferous way i can you guys belong together you deserve each Well, let's talk about

what you had brought up on, when was it, Perrielle? It was Saturday night. We were doing a podcast. It was me, Ian Fidance, who is a comedy seller regular, and if you don't know Ian, he looks like

every character from every 1970s sitcom. He has a mustache. Welcome back, Carter. He looks a bit like from every 1970s sitcom he has a mustache welcome back looks a bit like Gabe Kaplan but he could also be any other number of characters from that era but so we were doing a podcast and we were it was about a podcast normally an hour and an hour and a half we were at about an hour 40 and I just felt like it was very incoherent. We were just talking about... No two sentences seemed to be in the same topic.

But then the participants were you and Ian and Noam? And this guy, Michael Moynihan. And me. Oh, I forgot, Perry. And it was a... He's a writer from Vice. Moynihan from Vice? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I had the unfortunate experience of, I didn't, you know, I didn't actually leave, but my experience of listening to Michael Moynihan and Noam get into things was, you know, I mean, it was like listening to Dershowitz hold forth on some specific canon of, you know, Western law. I mean, it was so specific. And at rapid pace, I couldn't find an area within which to jump in that didn't feel utterly manufactured.

And like I was, you know, I mean, you don't want to... Hey, that's right. Dove was on the last episode. With the Moynihan. Well, this wasn't quite as, you know, it's just a lot of it was... Everything hit me at once. All of a sudden, at about at about

8.35 Eastern Standard Time on Saturday, it all hit me. I'm not getting a word in. I'm aging. There is no God. And I don't find this interesting. and it all hit me at one time and and i was i was about to make a point that we're talking about whether

you should believe whether you believed um what's her name the woman that's accusing biden tara reed reed yeah and and uh moynhen said he didn't believe Tavit Reed. And I wanted to bring up a philosophical point, or I don't know if you'd call it philosophical, but I kept trying to say at least four times I tried to say, I tried to bring up the point, what do we mean when we say we believe somebody? Or we don't believe somebody? What is it to believe

somebody? We're not, you know, if you said to me, you know, you and, you and, you and, I don't know, it's all... I mean, you mean... I mean, we don't ever believe somebody 100% because nothing is... I believe, I think the context within which he said it is that he feels as though he can or can't believe, rely on the language and pictures being... Does that mean that he's 100% convinced with metaphysical certitude that she is lying?

Or does that mean he's 90% convinced? What's the difference? It's not a philosophical argument. It's an argument about what somebody believes. When they say they don't believe somebody, I don't know what that means necessarily. Because I've never been in a situation where I was 100% convinced either way of what somebody tells me. I think you have been in a situation where you were. Very seldom.

Very seldom. Yeah. Okay. Very seldom. Yeah. No, no. I think it's an excellent point you bring up. But that point would be, you know, the context would be that the nuance became so important

that you had to determine to what degree you believed the person as opposed to just accepting the idea that, for instance, who was the accuser for the last Supreme Court? You know, Kavanaugh, right? I got the sense that from her perspective, you know, she was a credible, that she was telling her truth and that i don't i don't know 100 the degree to which it happened precisely like she said it happened but uh you know i have no reason not to believe the broad story anyway anyway the point is is that was a point that i

was trying to make a few times and was never, never able to get it in, you know, never able to stick it right in nice and easy as I do. And I just, it all hit me and I just left. And, and part of me thought, you know what? My leaving is actually perhaps if it precipitates a conversation, that's interesting.

I will have done the podcast a favor. I felt on some level that the best thing I could do for this podcast. Yes. To leave, because now they got something to talk about. That's a little bit different, a little bit interesting, favor. I felt on some level that the best thing I could do for this podcast is to leave because now they got something to talk about that's a little bit different, a little bit interesting, a little bit specific, not the same thing. Basically, I don't recall anything being brought up on that episode that hadn't been brought up before either by us or by somebody else. That's my take on it. Periel, you were there. You say what? We have Periel with us from Eastern Pennsylvania. Per there. You say what? We have Perrielle with us from Eastern Pennsylvania.

Perrielle, you say what? So I said, well, then you have to know I'm got very concerned, like what happened to Dan? And I could tell you were upset and you were annoyed. And I was also like, what the fuck? Like, you don't just get to like leave your own podcast in the middle because you're annoyed. But though now, you know, now that you've articulated to me that it all hit you at once, you know, I've got some empathy. It all hit me, the lack of meaning in the universe. Fair enough.

I accept that. And also, I love you. The lack of coherence on the podcast. What's that? And so Noam was like, where did Dan go and I think I said well I think he got frustrated because he was trying to say something and everybody kept cutting him off and no to which Noam said well and he said a few times that he felt bad and he was worried about you and he couldn't concentrate because now he was thinking about where's Dan. And then he said, but I think I was

in the middle of a sentence and Dan interrupted me. I'm going to have to go back and look at the tape. And I said, are you out of your fucking mind? Is that really the response you have? Because you could also just say, oh, I'm sorry, like maybe we hurt his feelings a little bit. Not I'm going to go back and roll the tape. Right, yeah. And he also did that to Juanita the other day because they got into an argument.

Pardon? Anyway, look. I feel bad about it too, to be honest with you. I tend to do these things once every two years or so. I tend to storm off. Fair enough. Either, well, not really storm off necessarily, but blow up. It happens every couple of years.

You know, it all builds up. It builds up like the San Andreas Fault. You know, it takes a up. It builds up like a fault, like the San Andreas Fault. You know, it takes a while for the pressure, the seismic pressure to build up. And then there's an earthquake because... Listen, I didn't see the specific context, but I know as a general sort of idea, and as it relates to Dan, I think it's not only forgivable, but perhaps there is a net positive. I like the idea of Dan experiencing something

to the degree that he walks off his own show. I mean, there's something really interesting about somebody that's just, you know, you got Gnome and there's Moynihan. I mean, two political animals. I mean, they can go into, I mean, I'm sure all kinds of esoteria was brought up between those two. And Dan said, I can't take this anymore. Either the rhythm or some of the aspect of the patter. And he disappeared. I mean, I think that's endearing. It's certainly forgivable. Excuse me.

I do think that there's something about, well, first of all, you know, I think Dan has said on numerous occasions that when we get that into the weeds with the political stuff, he feels like it's a little bit much, which I can understand and appreciate. But I also think that the nature of the podcast is when you let it run endlessly. And to be fair, we didn't structure that episode as much as we structure some others. You can't just let it go on and on and on. Like this isn't just like a free for all. And so maybe the onus was on me a little bit for not. It's very difficult.

Well, if I can find a way to put it, I'm certainly not opposed to it, though I don't know that in this case it's merited. What, to just drone on for hours? To blame you, I'm saying. Oh, no. You said the notice was on you and I'm happy to blame you. I just don't know what's going on in this particular case.

So, again, I'm not opposed to it as a general matter. You think that I should say, like, we have to call it at an hour and we do need a structure and unless something unbelievable comes up, we've got to stick to the talking points. Did Ian Fyde Dance have anything to say? I mean, was it just sort of rapid fire? you know unbelievable comes up we got to stick to the talking points did he and five dance have

anything to say i mean was it just sort of rapid fire the dance was fine i you know was he was he getting involved in the conversation was able to jump in at the point that was it mostly moynihan and no no air. Erring into a George Stephanopoulos slash Chris Wallace-like discourse about Barry Goldwater's campaign in 1960. All right. I was, for the first time, it's been two months since we've been logged down,

and I left New York City yesterday for the very first time. I rented a car and I visited my parents in Connecticut. You're so good, Dan. That was so sweet of you. Well, I didn't think that's so sweet. Come on. It is.

It is. I don't know that that's sweet. Have you ventured out, Perrielle? I am in Westchester. I left in the end of March. Okay. I mean, I'm actually, well, I'd like to hear Dan. First of all, it's sweet.

It's sweet unless I contaminated the whole damn apartment complex they live in, and then it won't be so sweet. Did you go inside? No, they wouldn't let me inside. But we took a drive. They wanted to take a drive. My mother wanted to take a drive. Now, I was a little bit hesitant to go in a car because it's confined space.

I left the door open, and we all wore masks. And I'm hoping that that was, and I probably don't have it. I mean, if they have it and I get it, it's not likely to be a tragedy, but if I have it and they get it, it's another story. But I wore a mask and they wore a mask and I opened the window of the car for ventilation and I assume that that's probably adequate, even assuming I had it, which I probably don't. So I'm not overly worried, though I was somewhat concerned. And, you know, it was just not, I haven't been, I haven't driven in two months. I haven't been in the car.

I haven't been outside New York. So it was nice to, you know, it was just, it was nice to just kind of be on the open road. Yeah. With the radio on. So, you know, that was the first time I've been out. I know the Dove's done some traveling, I believe. Listen, you know, I mean, after I was quarantined for a while, I went to see my mother.

My mother's in her 70s. She has HIV. I mean, she's HIV positive. I mean, she would certainly represent an at-risk demographic. And so you got to be careful. And I mean, at some point, you know, as the curve begins to flatten a bit, we know a little bit more about this. You make a judgment call. Look, you know, I mean, you some point, you know, as the curve begins to flatten a bit, we know a little bit more about this. You make a judgment call.

Look, you know, I mean, you cross the street, you leave the house, an air conditioner could fall on your head. I mean, at what point do you think the probability is low enough that you continue on and make some contact while taking precautions? When is your mom? My mother was staying with my brother in Stockbridge, Massachusetts. She's got 26 acres up there, but now she's staying with a friend. And I don't know.

This is a strange, you know, all of the distance. I was listening to a doctor making an argument. You know, if you listen to some conservative pundit, you hear one thing and then, you know, on the other side. But he said if you live in California, for instance, where they've closed recreational beach use for the next, you know, through July, from what I understand. He said you have a 0.03 percent chance of dying of, you know, COVID-19 in the state of California. And of that, the subset that's dying, you know, you know, the biggest percentage of that tiny percentage are, know old and at risk and um yeah basically he was making the argument that you know at some point you make a judgment call and you you try to i also find that the more this goes on the more i'm willing to take chances because the more i feel like i haven't

gotten it so for example you know if i if i touch my face the first time i touched my face outside i was all excited and then i didn't get it. And now, and the next thing you know, I'm, you know, touching my face and not worried about it. It's a little by little, you know. Well, I mean, there's no way, we know what the rollout's going to look like at this point.

If you've been to Whole Foods or Trader Joe's or a takeout, you know, restaurant, I mean, we know what it looks like. It's just, we're going to be wearing masks for a while, and we're going to be social distancing, and you know, in restaurants that open back up, we don't know whether it's going to be 50% room capacity at some point, or

whether it's 25%, but it's not just jumping back into whatever form, you know. There is certainly a new move. You can still stare at women, even with the mask on. I had an experience outside. You can still tell pretty with the mask. I was driving by an urgent care facility.

You know, Manhattan is the middle. I mean, New York is the epicenter if you're outside of New York. I mean, everybody knows that. But she had tight pants on and likely a Puerto Rican vintage. And she had a mask. And I thought to myself, I don't know why she's online. If she did have COVID and was immediately willing, would I engage from behind? And I thought, I didn't have an answer.

But I wasn't able to just say no. I mean, to the fantasy. I wasn't able to just say no. I mean, to the fantasy. I wasn't able to just say no. My answer would be no, because I don't, you know, I don't feel like getting sick, but... I don't feel like getting sick either. That's what made it an interesting consideration. That's why he was going to do it from behind,

so he doesn't get... Yeah, from behind, like a gentleman. What am I, an animal like you? What do you think I'm making out with the broad? I put it in from behind, no eye contact. Just like I would anybody else under any other arcade. Okay, well, fair enough. I guess that's a relatively low-risk way of doing it.

So low, so low, from behind. You could turn around and sneeze, theoretically. It's what? I guess you'd be wearing a mask during this whole thing. I think what's run behind with a mask is probably... Yeah. But you have to

wear a condom. Absolutely, you wear a condom, you put on a mask, and I don't mean just the little, you know, mask that they wear on the sidewalk. I mean a full Halloween mask. Like a wolfman, you know? And then you tear in, and then you walk away, and nobody's the wiser.

There's no COVID-19. So have you been, like, out? I mean, it sounds like Dan and I have been, like, relatively stationary. It sounds like you've really been, like, out and about, gallivanting. But that's in the suburbs. No, no, no.

I was, you know, in Montclair where I'm at, it's a lot like some part of Westchester. You know, there's enough, there are these centralized little districts in these towns, you know, like whether it's any of these places, a centralized shopping district. And then outside of that,

there are houses and trees. You're far from the middle of nowhere. Montclair is a small city. But it's, I don't know. I mean, I haven't been totally confined in an apartment, certainly for the first month, you know, when I was living in that private community. It was really just me inside the house, inside of a private park.

So, but now- And how did you leave that? That was the house that you left? That was the house I was selling. And so they finally... By the way, it's a dinging noise. We have to address it. I apologize for that.

You know, perhaps one of the texts that came in, I think is interesting to read in the context of everything that's happening. And this is written by the great Andy Levine. He was a distressed... I'm sure he was. He was a distressed debt analyst. He worked for Cantor Fitzgerald right after 9-11, right after the towers went down.

But he said, as it relates to the market going north today, stock market, he said, if you want to know what the end of the world looks like, it's like this. Bread lines a mile long, unemployment off the charts, misery index at multi-decade highs, kleptocracy in full power, and stock markets soaring as if it's 1928. And then he wrote The American Experience, 1776, the experiment rather, 1776 to 2020. He's basically predicting some, you know, major calamity. Well, I don't agree with that. I'm not saying he isn't hyperbolic, but there is a fascinating disconnect between him. You look at the stock market, you know, headed straight up,

and people, and like you mentioned, the idea of bread lines and this enormous disparity between people's experience, it can't be good. I mean, this is, those are the preconditions for the Weimar Republic in Germany. I don't know. I just read an article that Noam sent me today about, you know, how a depression is not inevitable if we handle this properly. Right. No, no, that's right. But not a depression if we handle this properly. Right. No, no, that's right. Not a recession, but not a depression if it's properly managed.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, I agree. But there are certainly some. Go ahead, Perry. So you were in the city looking at real estate? I was, yes. I put on a mask.

Ironic. It's so strange. I speak to some young, you know, rental agent, female. But they're all gay or female in that business, it seems to me. Well, of course. I mean, listen, if you want to be any good at it. No, no, you've got other people. One of my guys in Brooklyn that I've worked with. Anyway, the point being, she said to me, she goes, okay, well, you can come see the apartment.

Just make sure you wear gloves and a mask. And I thought, I mean, to meet a woman that you've only spoken to on the phone while wearing gloves and a mask in a dark New York City tenement, I mean, it's a hell of a situation that necessitates that. But yeah, I've been looking at apartments, yeah.

I've never known a straight male real estate agent, but at least in Manhattan, I suppose they exist. Well, yeah, traditionally it's not for them. It's traditionally more of a woman, gay guy business, I think. Unless you're talking about commercial real estate, then it's an entirely different consideration. I'm talking like I understand we have with the schools are wonderful you're talking about the the van oh you're talking about a salesperson you know it's Vanna white well I'm talking about somebody that's into talking about neighborhood exposure and so much light, you have wonderful natural light. Straight guys don't think in terms of natural light.

The association is female and homosexual. That's the case, yes. I guess we're not supposed to say that in this day and age, but that certainly is the initial association. We're not saying anything bad. We're simply saying, you know. Oh, I agree with you. Certain people.

Yes, of course, but it could be. There's nothing wrong with that. Like, for example, if you want to get a diamond cut, you don't go to attract certain people. Yes, of course. But it could be... There's nothing wrong with that. Like, for example, if you want to get a diamond cut, you don't go to an Irishman. You know? That's correct. You want to get a... Yeah, no, no.

A real, a real, a real, you know, one of the Lord's people. Yeah, of course, a chosen person. You go see a chosen person. Yes. And you get a nice cut you get a you get a covet 19 too because they can't separate now you're a menace you should be okay yeah well i mean i don't know what what's what's going on with the real estate dub i mean you know there's a number of considerations and i don't know how deep into the weeds to get and how interesting it would be to, you know, the average person.

I think it's fast. I mean, I'm in Westchester. I am like a born and raised and bred New Yorker. I can't imagine what the, I mean, it's like heartbreaking what's going on in the city right now. And like, I know it's going to heartbreaking going on in the city right now. And like, I know it's going to come back. Heartbreaking precisely? What? What in particular do you find? That,

um, all of, I mean, in large part, all of the things that make New York city, you know, I hate to say the greatest city in the world because it's just fucking ridiculous,

but so wonderful and earth shatteringly brilliant and unique, it's just- All things that I never do anyway, I should mention. What? All things that I never do anyway. Most New Yorkers don't do anything. That's not true most new yorkers don't i never go to broadway i never go to the museums um i didn't but yeah but still but you but you could well yes i could i do right and you go out to eat wherever you want at any moment that's right

that's a good thing yes um this animal wears a backwards hat. You think he buys... I have to wear a hat because my hair is, you know, which is something I was... You seem to have, I guess you just buzzed it, right? Let's get through the New York part. And yes, you buzzed the goddamn hair as opposed to looking like a homeless person with a backwards ball cap on like

a lunatic. What are you, a 13-year-old Puerto Rican kid? Well, given the times that we're living in, I would think you'd be a little bit easier on me in terms of my... Now listen, you look good. I'll tell you that. You look good. Look at that hair. Take your hat off for a second. Look at that full head of hair.

I have a lot of hair. That's all I... That's not all I have, but it's a lot. One thing I do have is a full head of hair. Now they say God will never give you anything. God only gives you what you can handle and perhaps that thing I do have is a full head of hair. Now, they say God will never give you anything. God only gives you what you can handle. And perhaps that's the reason I have a full head of hair, because I don't know that I could handle being bald, to be quite honest with you.

Well, God clearly doesn't just give you what you can handle. I mean, given all the suicide. I mean, given all the people that choose to, you know. Right. But all the people that say, yeah, the people that commit suicide aren't around to say, God only gives you what you can handle. That's right. Nobody that's alive says that. Right, right.

So God only gives the people that don't commit suicide what they can handle. Right. It's like the people that say, you know, in the 70s, we didn't wear seatbelts and we're fine. Yes. Except for the people that are all dead from not wearing their seatbelts in the 70s. We're not around to post memes like, we had a great time in the 70s. No seatbelts. We're not around to post memes like, we had a great time in the 70s. No seat belts. We stayed out on the streets. We got in the neighbors' vans without, you know. Yeah, we did.

They didn't. So yes, God sometimes gives people more than they can handle. In my case, so far, he's been knock on wood. He's been reasonably... Yeah, I don't know how much to attribute to our Lord and Savior, how much to attribute to your resilience and your ability to walk around with a hat and look ridiculous while you're growing hair out like you fell out of a bass guitar shack in Woodstock, New York. Listen, the interesting thing about New York that Perry L was talking about was that the city has just not just the cultural aspects of it. You're better off going backwards. God damn, that's long. I mean mean it's almost like you've been shut in for longer than two months um well I started off you know wherever I was when I started off probably needed a haircut when I started I was about to I was calling Reagan Baker you know uh Rory Rory girlfriend who cuts my hair hair. Yeah. She has a haircutting. Do you know Reagan?

She's Rory Albany's girlfriend. She has a haircutting salon. But anyway, I was probably about to call her, and then we got shut in, and that was... Yeah, no, you got to adapt and overcome. I mean, how long are you going to let that get? If Cuomo doesn't allow barbershops to open up... At some point, I'll just do what you did,

and I'll just buzz it. Like a man, you take out a buzzer. You go get a buzzer at CVS and you tear it down like a gentleman. My girlfriend shaved her, she did the same thing. Yeah. And she has like a three-year-old and her husband and they just all buzzed all their hair up. They look great.

That might happen. And it could go on so... New York, one of the considerations. You have Maxine or Clipper in my future. The Clippers in your future. One of the considerations was, do you take advantage of lease numbers that have fallen

or even to buy a place? I mean, things have fallen in terms of value in the near term. Now, at some point, things have fallen in terms of value in the near term. Now, at some point, things are going to come back. And so New York is, relative to what it's always been, there is a depressing aspect to this. I think what you were referring to in terms of the dynamism of the city, and Jackie Mason always had that thing about New York, where people will go, you know, I live in New York. I mean, we've got culture. We've got the ballet. And Jackie Mason said, well, did you go to the ballet? And the guy's like, I don't go to

ballet. I mean, but you got to ballet. I mean, that whole routine. That's like what I was alluding to. Yeah, that's what you were alluding to. But I think the part that everybody feels, whether or not you ever go to a ballet, is there is a kind of dynamism, the kind of person that's drawn to the street in New York. And that

energy is why what what it's the screening process that prevents some of the morons that end up in LA. If you've got big fake tits and you love bleaching your hair and walking around on three inch pumps, you're screened out of New York. You can't live like that. Tits aren't currency in New York in that same way. And so it screens out so many jerk-offs

because if you don't have that kind of experience in the city, why would you live in a little box for three grand a month? And so there is a dynamism, and that dynamism is removed on some level when suddenly you leave the house and you can't go into a restaurant. New York's got the greatest food in the world. Or you can get some takeout, but yet that's not the same experience. You don't want to walk up next to, you want to sit. It's a cafe kind of life. And so all of the things that make New York,

New York are kind of removed to some degree. And that is sad. It's also why prices have dropped. And then the argument is just financial. It's whether or not you come in now before things start to return. You want to buy on bad news, sell on good overall in terms of the broad strokes. So that's the professional take is if you can buy something in New York right now. Well, I think if you want to be there long term, that being said, I don't think New York is going up anytime soon. And if we want to get into an actual technical analysis, the decentralization of these business districts are going to trickle down. I'm a landlord and I'm developing in Brooklyn and I don't feel good. I feel okay about my project because of my margins. But if you own an office building, or if you think that, I mean, the one thing this pandemic has proven by way of, you know, Jamie Dimon and JP Morgan and a number of other software guys is just that you never could have experimented with Zoom or remote work from home to on this scale. And what they learned was you can do it. You can run businesses while not

being in a centralized office district, which means you can reduce the OPEX operating expenditure in a business by a significant percentage, not renting huge lofts or office space in a place like Manhattan. And then, like, yes, there are diehard city people that still want to be in New York, and I'm one of them. But I would imagine a lot of people that work in finance on the Upper East Side would be just as happy to live in Connecticut. A lot of them, they're working to get out of New York.

And those people, if they can, start to work from home. And many of them can now. I don't think they're coming back. And I don't think they'll be the same drive in order to be there, which will reduce pressure on pricing and things will come down a little bit. That's a good lead into what I want to discuss with regard to comedy, remote comedy, which is obviously, I mean,

I can't imagine that remote comedy will ever replace live comedy. However, there has been some remote comedy. I've done some shows that I've talked about on other episodes via Zoom. And a lot of people are doing that sort of thing. I wonder, Dov, if you've done any Zoom shows. No, you know, the comedy juice, somebody asked me. It was like a month ago. And I was just not, I didn't have my head in the game.

I just said, no, no, not at this point. But I would. I mean, how do you do do it you walk around in front of your computer how do you catch what I'm doing right now in front of my computer I did a show with this very background that I had these bricks in the back okay okay I like it it's on zoom they have like on zoom you can do it where you have hundreds of people on do you find that there were parts of your act that like things were a little bit more choppy because the transitions were not practiced? Well, because I'm out of practice?

Yes. You're forced. But also, you don't have the laughter. What happens is, because everybody's at home, since everyone's at home, their kids might come in. You've got to assume you're killing. You have to assume you're killing, rhythmically. You have to turn everybody's mic on mute because assume you're killing rhythmically everybody's mic

on mute because otherwise you'll hear kids you'll hear kids coming in mommy what are you doing dogs barking whatever yes but they need everybody i mean we mute everybody unmute a few people maybe that like okay he's home alone with no pets and no kids so we'll and we know him so we'll unmute him and we'll unmute a few other people that we we can kind of vet them to um know that they're not going to have background noise and this way at least a few people are laughing and uh so you get that rhythm going and also another thing is also i've noticed that you tell a joke and there's a delay you know in terms of when you tell it versus when they hear it. So there's that slight delay, which is not – so, you know, it's not anywhere near the same as being –

You make adjustments. It's like doing a show in Amsterdam. They speak English, but you don't want to just – you don't want to go with the same rhythm. You want to use your hands a little bit more and leave space for them to kind of half german laugh at things without actually laughing out loud it's like working for the dutch it's imperfect in a lot of ways but what i've only done a few of them but and i've also produced a couple of them it seems that the audience is incredibly grateful to be there and is very forgiving of the technology. Yes. You know, this is really interesting because I had a Teladoc appointment. My son was running a

fever. And I mean, it was, I don't know that the word rewarding is, but the experience of doing it was far better than I thought it would have been. I would have thought being in person would be significantly more superior, kind of like it wasn't. I mean, you know. What if the doctor, I mean, he can diagnose the kid. He couldn't. I'm not saying that there aren't reasons.

No, no. I'm not saying that physical proximity isn't is in a priority under certain conditional experiences but you don't necessarily you know half the time you're just saying look he feels this he feels that and she looks at him through the computer and she's like is he doing this this this and this which is what they do in a doctor's office and then instead of them give him taking his temperature you take his temperature it's's very real. Like it just, it furthers the idea that there is a remote facility that we no longer have to be in large centralized districts anymore. And so, you know, but as it relates to comedy, it's like, you know, yeah. I don't think this will ever in any way substitute for live comedy,

but I do think that there might be, if I can make a prediction, I think there might be a bigger market for lectures via Zoom. So, for example, if I'm a famous person, say I'm whoever I am, you know, I'm Dershowitz, and I want to give an evening

with Alan Dershowitz via Zoom, and everybody pays $100, whomever it is, you know. Yeah, they do that on online courses now. Yeah, they do that on online courses now. Yeah, okay. So I think that those kinds of things might, because of this, they might become more accepted and become a bigger market. I could not agree more.

That's absolutely right. You can scale the experience. The business makes sense. You don't have to fly the person in and out. It's more cost effective, and you get the same lecture experience in theory. Right, a lecture. Now, comedy requires, I think, a certain energy. First of all, comedy is an evening out.

Comedy is a drinking. Comedy is eating. Comedy is a drinking. Comedy is eating. Comedy is social. Absolutely. You're not just going to repeat. It's not the same as a lecture in that regard. It's also the laughter, the art of. And the contagiousness of laughter.

Yes, the contagiousness of laughter. That's exactly. It's not a dry lecture about, you know, the First Amendment or, you know, just, you know, the First Amendment or, you know, I just, you know, a more academic discussion, you wouldn't need those things don't apply, and it might become. But the watching comedy in close, I mean, there's a reason why stand up is performed the way in which it's performed, right? That's right. That's right. And by the way, if you've ever done stand-up, sometimes you'll do a corporate parallel.

Like when you see Comedy at the Cellar, that's the way it's supposed to be done. If you go to a corporate, they'll hire you. You don't know whether or not there's 50 people in a room that seats 400. You can have a set. It doesn't matter how good the material is. If the people are disparately set in a room full of 400, you just realize there's a psychological, the ability to get people to laugh is contingent upon people being next to

one another. Yeah. You know, if you've ever watched a comedy with a friend as opposed to alone, it doesn't mean it wasn't funny. It just means you don't have the same experience, you know, out loud.

We're social animals. Yeah. This is interesting. Okay. Go ahead.elle well beck i read a book called the possibility of an island i love him fascinating guy but um and it was all about in the future we'll be able to produce i was thinking about dating in the pandemic area we'll be able to produce um children in labs and in this story, the narrative was our genitals began to atrophy because we no longer needed proximity to one another to procreate.

And it was all of this sort of, it was danger in leaving these bubbles. And I just, there was a lot of crossover, you know, between that dystopian fantasy and the way New York feels right now. Welbeck. I have read some Welbeck. He's a French writer,

so I read him in the original French. Wow, that is really fancy. I would have loved to do that. But I don't know if I read the possible. I might have read years ago i'm trying to think of what the book that i was obsessed with that he wrote the elementary particles he wrote he wrote the possibility of an island and he wrote one uh the map and the territory i i've read uh did you write road dog or was that you

i wrote road dog but i wrote it in the original french yeah you could by the way you can buy road dog is it still selling them dev wrote a book a few years ago called road dog yes really i didn't know that i'm gonna read that um whatever i read whatever that i read a few of them but the book that i was thinking about by welbeck is okay yeah By the way, did Jessica want to stop in or is she being shy? She's being shy. She's always been shy. But yeah, I can get her

to stop in. Well, I thought it might be interesting to get her to stop in. Yes, hold on, hold on, hold on. Why not do it in a way that can kill time on the podcast? Well, I don't really think we want to be quote unquote. I don't say it tongue in cheek, Perry.

I don't mean kill time so much as you know, whatever. Anyway, yes. Did you read Dub's book? I don't. It's between us. I don't want to bring it up.

Well, I mean, it makes me feel a little bit better because you haven't read my book. No, but we're going to be discussing it on Wednesday. And Wednesday, by the way, for a special treat, we have Bernie Fabricant coming on, who's a friend of Noam's, who's read Periel's book, On My Knees. I wonder if we should have Steve Fabricant join him.

Well, we could, but I don't think Steve read the book But This book is about Spariel's sexual awakening No it's not It's not? It's called On My Knees You have To familiarize yourself with the material I mean you can't just make assumptions

I certainly can You can correct me I mean a book that's called On Your Knees I would imagine there's a lot of sexuality in that book just make assumptions. I certainly can. You can correct me. I mean, a book that's called On Your Knees, I would imagine there's a lot of sexuality in that book. There's some sex stuff, for sure. Although I haven't read it in a long time. You've got a terminal shyness.

It's not coming in. Okay, that's understandable, especially given the situation. It's not understandable. Okay, well, either way. Well, I mean, first of all, look, my husband doesn't like it when i do that to him either i try to like pull him and you know he just he doesn't you know he's not into it he doesn't want to talk about we were talking about perry has a book also and on wednesday dove bernie fabricant you know steve fabricant outside steve His brother read Perriello's book. It's called On My Knees.

Oh. Yeah, right, right. I know. I've got such a stack. I have to read that. I know. I'm going to read yours, too. Noam and Dan still haven't read it, by the way.

Mine. Mine. This is what I wanted to tell you. I wasn't going to share this publicly, but in the interest of the podcast and since we're talking about Zoom doctors, I also had a Zoom doctor appointment with a proctologist because I

had a hemorrhoid. This is too much information. I'm going to have to cut this off right now. Wait, don't leave. You left the last podcast. I'm not going to leave. Why is that too much information? Too information it's not it's no come on now come on it's perfectly reasonable i mean you know it happens dan i don't think people should have to be embarrassed to absolutely not now how did this how did you guys work to get a lady of all things that's one of

the types of teledoc scenarios that I would imagine could be problematic. So imagine having to take your pants off and show your butthole online. Oh, I've seen videos. A lot of people do it, but not in a medical. A lot of guys have paid for this,

by the way. It wasn't a doctor. That's what I said. I was like, this is not, I don't usually lead with this yeah you're like a cam girl it was insane um but paid you 200 for that as opposed to you having to play you know he did he then he venmoed me after the um yes daniel Venue here. Well, look. What I was going to say is that it was... I mean, he was amazing.

Like, I thought it was just going to be like a complete disaster. And he was so professional and just, like, neutralized the humiliation. He was a man? Okay.

I mean, there's women doctors now, you know, Perrielle. Yeah, I know. perry oh yeah a guy if you were whether you you were going a guy god you have a male gynecologist as well no my gynecologist is female but she's a lesbian yeah so you know take that for what it's worth yeah but even a lesbian woman is not anywhere nearly as sexually threatening as a straight man as a general matter. I could be wrong. I think it depends on the lesbian and it depends on the straight man.

Yeah, sure. On average. I think on average, you know. Although I have, I always refuse to go to a straight male gyno i thought it was like totally fucking creepy well i think i think yes i think that uh although i were a lesbian you had that you had no choice but now we have plenty of female doctors also there's gay doctors too but but we have plenty of women doctors and you don't have to be forced to go to a male doctor,

a gynecologist anymore. Well, I don't, I don't, I don't think Perrielle was under the impression that she were being, that she was being forced. I'm just saying in my mother's generation, you had no choice.

That's who was dying. You know, Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. That was it. You know, women didn't become doctors for the most part.

So whoever you went to was likely to be a man. I mean, I have found I don't like going to male doctors for that sort of – generally, in this case, I didn't have a choice because we're in the middle of a global pandemic, and I was sort of freaking out. But he was great. There was this gorgeous girl that used to be a waitress at the comic strip. I remember her telling me that she had no money and she went to like a clinic

for her gynecology exam and was a guy. I just remember thinking, that guy must have been thinking, oh, boy, I tell you, I've put my time in and now I am reaping the rewards. Like a young, hot, model-y looking girl. And I just, I can't imagine that gynecologists,

I know they've seen, they see it every day. And most of what they see is probably not that pleasant, but it's hard for me to imagine that they could completely put their sexuality aside when some they don't complete well perhaps they do but certainly professionals can part compartmentalize to the degree that they're not jacking off right after you leave the room or maybe some of them all right but perry oh were you guys able to really curious what you guys are saying right now like do you really think that like all

straight male because i always sort of agreed with you guys but it's interesting i'm not saying i'm saying when i when if a 20 something you know thin model drop dead gorgeous sick looking girl walks in gyno exam i'm saying i'm saying scar Scarlett Johansson at 25 walks into your office and you're just like, and it's nothing to you? It's hard to imagine. I agree. That's 100% right. But you know what would help you compartmentalize

the sexual aspect of it is looking at myriad 79-year-old twats. I mean, after a while, you get into it so deep and it's it's so dark it's um that you know after a while i could see some compartmentalization anything that you do all day it's called the law of diminishing return not everybody's sitting around with a fake brick wall with a with a backward hat on jacking off every time they see a 19 year old broad's ass

some people if you're seeing it all day long, it's not that much of a heat. But, yeah, you're right. You see ass and you see vagina all day long. What you don't see all day long is supermodel ass and vagina necessarily. I understand. No, you're right. That happens to walk in, which it probably won't. In your whole career, it probably won't happen.

But it might happen. But if it does happen, the question is, can you be... If you're a doctor in show, it's going to happen once a day. Yeah. But yeah. No, you're right. I mean, it depends where you're at. You just play it straight, though, right?

You're going to say, well, that's very interesting. You've got to play it straight. I see your shape down there. Oh, is that a bad thing, doctor? No, I'm just saying. Yeah. I see your shape back in my day, you know, did you feel, did you guys were you able to sort of reach some conclusion as to,

you know, what's going on? And he was like, ah, you know, just do this, this and this. And he didn't feel like oh come in in person um yeah i mean he was well the first thing he said that because when i i was obviously mortified he was like look i do this all day long right so you know right and that made me feel like not like i didn't want to kill myself anymore i totally get it. I focus. I had some guy when I couldn't get my wife pregnant, somebody came in and he wanted to cut the piece. And he said, you know, it's an odd thing to have a guy drop his hand in your shorts as

a grown man who's not into that sort of thing. Well, doctors also stick their fingers up your butts, don't they? I've never had that done. I haven't read that done. Dan? Well, doctors also stick their fingers up your butts, don't they? I've never had that done. I haven't read that done. Dan? Well, yeah. I had a colonoscopy years ago. They put that glove on?

Well, a colonoscopy is another story. They just put you out, and then by the time you wake up, it's all been done, and you don't know what the hell they did. It's like being raped at a fraternity house. They might have done. Who knows? Yeah, I mean, maybe I was out for however long I was out. it's like being raped at a fraternity house. They might have done. Who knows? You know? Yeah.

I mean, maybe they, I was out for however long I was out. Yeah. And you were like, well, you know, we're all done with the colonoscopy.

We still, you know, you got some time to wake up for another half hour. What now? You got 30 minutes. It won't take us but 10 minutes to fuck this guy. Good. He'll never find out. We just, but i'm assuming it was nothing untoward well there are these stories um many many i wrote about one

of these in my first book which was um this this ob car was carving his initials in the women's torsos. Did you? Yeah. Yeah, no, that's not, that's one of the things that, you know, it's... You had that gymnast doctor. Yes.

Dr. Nasser. Yes. Who was doing whatever he was doing, you know. You got to be careful, you know. Yeah, you got to be careful.

Yeah, no, that's the lesson to take away from if you're a female especially if you're a gymnast i mean these girls are all you know young and in very good shape so i prefer i prefer um a tennis player's body to a gymnast i would like to be the usta or whatever the women's tennis association. I'd like to be that doctor, you know, perhaps. But yeah, the gymnasts tend to be, they tend to be kind of short. We are. Yeah. I don't know that they make that face,

but certainly there was a spark plug aspect to the physique, but you want to, you want to, you want to help, you know, care for the women's tennis. Though that's an older reference of martina hingis yeah and when as a physician you think that you could help that you would be that much more committed because you find them physically attractive well i don't know if i'd be more committed i'm saying if i had to be a woman's athletic doctor you would pick what kind of the tennis team to the gymnastic team. I would prefer the gymnastic

team to the weightlifting or women's rugby squad. Yeah, and you'd prefer them to, you know, senior citizen yoga. But if I had to drop a list, you know. But I don't think that's how people decide what kind of doctors they want to be, is how sexually

attracted they are to the kind of... Wait a second. Perio, you're saying that all physicians don't go into the medical field by determining whether or not they're attracted to the person that they might be working on and only psychopaths do that? But I wonder why this guy... Why would he do that? Well, you may not, but this guy Nasser, I mean, how did he get into women? That's a pretty specific thing.

Woman's gymnastic doctor. I, you know, well, I mean, I don't know how he got into it. The chicken or the egg. It's a valid question. They probably said, look, we've got a couple of openings here for you. There's a retirement community in Florida that needs a doctor. There's a women's gymnastic team that needs a doctor. He was thinking, to be honest, either one.

I could go either way. Let's flip a coin. Luckily, he had a two-headed coin in his pocket. It's true because obviously this guy was always a sociopath, right? He didn't just become a sociopath. Always. Are you kidding?

That is so sinister. Yeah, he started out with tremendous integrity, but he just couldn't. I mean, yeah. He should have chosen, you know, he wouldn't be in jail had he chosen the women's mahjong varsity team.

The women's mahjong team. The mahjong. That's what he should have gone with. But what people should do and what they do do is Of course. We all, you know, and there lies the difficulty.

But so you're looking, so where's your next move? You're in Jersey in this one bedroom rental and now you're looking to get a place in New York? Yeah, well, I'm in a rental because I had to move out of my place. I had to move out of my place. I had to move out of my house. We were supposed to close, you know, on Friday.

And there was some plumbing thing. Long story short, we're supposed to close this week, in which case you got to be out. And then where are you going? Where's your wife going? Oh, I will likely buy her a small house. As sad as that sounds. But I need to be in proximity, so I would like to be in the Westfield. I'd like to be 35 minutes from my son, and then my son will be with me a couple of days a week and then spend the rest of the week with her, and then I'll be able to come out from the city two days a week.

So I'll get to see him four days a week. Where is Emerson now? Emerson now in Davidoff is sleeping. He's days a week. So I get to see him four days a week. Where is Emerson now? Emerson now in Davidoff is sleeping. He's taking a nap. The boy is taking a nap. No, I'm sorry. What's that, Perry? I said at eight o'clock at night.

I'm sorry. It's not a nap. No, no, no. I was thinking about earlier trying to put him down. No, no. He's sleeping. So what's half an hour from the city?

Because I'm thinking in the other direction. My husband is trying to get out of Manhattan now. Yes. Well, in this case, a half hour is Montclair, Verona, West Orange. It's closer to downtown than Ardsley. It's a little bit closer to downtown than lower Westchester. If you're on the Upper West Side, hopping on the West Side Highway and getting to Nome's would probably be quicker than getting to my house, but it's pretty equidistant. I'm as close as you can get

to lower Manhattan and still be in an environment with trees. In West Orange, where I was, you can go three minutes from my house and be in an urban environment or you can go three minutes the other direction. It's really the line. It's the dividing line. The hell's Dan doing? Sorry. He's looking up pictures of gymnasts. So, so I tell you that Emerson is cute. I do enjoy your wife. Never sees you. She posts a lot on I do enjoy your wife. Never cease. You see posts a lot on Instagram.

There's a lot of posts. And the kid is living such a lot. We talk about this a lot, but that kid, that gets so dumb. He thinks it's going to continue like this. Every day is, is,

is nature walks with mommy and wheelbarrow rides and breastfeeding and snack time and nap time. There's a lot of nap time. And I'm thinking, my God, would I, would I enjoy that lifestyle? and breastfeeding and snack time and nap time. There's a lot of nap time and snack time. And I'm thinking, oh, my God, would I enjoy that lifestyle? And it's not just that he's, look, let's face it, we're in lockdown. I'm doing a lot of snacking and napping too, but with the knowledge of my own mortality, which Emerson does not have.

He doesn't have it. That's the name of the game. He's got a slave girl, a blonde, skinny Canadian slave woman that literally wipes his ass for him. That's right, yeah. That's correct. Quite honestly.

But it'll be interesting. I don't have my own kids, but it's interesting to watch, you know, Emerson, to see what happens there. We'll see what happens with that kid. It could be interesting.

I mean, with Dove, David, this was a yoga. She was trying to teach him to do, oh, forget it. You can't see on here.

My bad. Listen, you know, I, this thing is not coming to an end. what we're realizing you know two months ago you heard you know march 15th and then okay may 1st and then this is how life looks already um as things open up you'll be able to walk into a restaurant but the waitress will have a mask or the waiter, and then there'll be plexiglass between you and the cashier or you in the booth,

and there'll be 50% capacity. And what does that mean economically? The systemic effects are substantial because in a place like New York, you have 10, 15% margins in the restaurant business. You couldn't survive with 50% capacity, let alone 25% capacity. So the landscape of retail in New York City is already altered. You have storefronts that are vacant all over SoHo and the West Village. That was never the case before. New York City is changing, and it will be repriced. Well, I will hold out, as I always do, as is my nature,

and perhaps I have no choice, but the only way I can live is to always hold out hope for a miracle. And who knows what treatments are coming down the pike and who knows. I'm not saying there won't be a vaccine. I'm saying urban lands. There will be a vaccine. The question is when. And I'm hopeful that something hopefully by in a few months they might have they might discover, you know, hey, we got this drug that helps treat it and, you know, makes everything that much better. And who knows?

We don't know. Nobody's arguing that New York isn't going to be here long after we're dead. We're just saying that aspects of it are changing. I'm taking New York with me when I go. What'd you say? I'm taking New York with me when I go. Hey, of course. I can't enjoy a bagel on 2nd Avenue.

Nobody can. These centralized office districts, if we no longer need to occupy them and be in physical proximity to them to the same degree that we do now, that means the nature of urban landscapes can start to shift. And maybe New York will get repriced.

Things will come down and it will return to more creatives and artists like it was in the 70s. Yeah. I was just going to say that is that what has happened as a lifelong born and bred and raised New Yorker, you know, the city has lost in the past 10, 15 years. Everything's a bank and a Duane Reade and all of the amazing little stores have been priced out. Listen, and that's why I'm, you know, not as a finance person, I don't think that we're returning to 2016 for a long, long time. But as a person who loves the city, for me, the city represented a kind of dynamism and

curiosity and intellect. Like I came from a junkyard in Jersey in an environment where when I was hanging on these bills from the time I was 13 years old, and that was the promised land in Toronto. Yes. Yes. And so now it's become like, when I walk around the Upper East Side, like, I feel like I may as well be in a, it's like Connecticut, but urban. It's like, it's not. Yeah, New York City is the promised land. It's a bank and it's an apartment building. Yeah, no, you're right. New York City is the promised land. It was for me, you know. It was for me too. I grew up in Queens. Yes, exactly. No, exactly.

And so it starts to lose that thing, you know. And it's like, but hopefully what will happen is things will start to reprice. And then interesting, as opposed to corporate mall-oriented retail, you'll have a return to what used to be these interesting kind of people and shops and environments that then started to populate Bushwick. The nature of gentrification is that people get pushed out from the center. Yeah. Dan, you say what? I say that could be, you know.

That's a deft analysis. We'll see i don't know dove may be overestimating the extent to which um working from home takes over and replaces um office space i'm not listen i'm saying all if 20 percent of it is replaced if you run a business let's say you make those stupid hats on your head and 20 percent of your operating expenditure, you don't need to be a banker to figure this out, is spent. Oh, is that a Ruba Ray hat? Yes, it's my only baseball hat. I don't

wear baseball hats, you understand. Ruba Ray gave me this baseball hat. Well, when you play for a Ruba Ray's home team, you wear it with pride, of course. It's not about baseball. But I don't normally wear baseball hats. I find them fraternity-like and they're not my scene. But with the hair situation such as it is in a pandemic, of course, I have no choice. But normally, I don't wear a baseball hat.

By all means. Nonetheless, when you have a teledoc appointment, and the head of J.P. Morgan said that you could never have provided proof of concept. There was too much liability involved to determine whether or not people could work from home in an 80,000-person banking institution. They can pull it off, which means you are no longer going to pay $5 million in leasing expenses as a company if you could cut that in half. And so the proximity to Midtown Manhattan becomes less important. It seems to me like what you're talking about is a technology, i.e. Zoom and these sorts of technologies that could be very far-reaching but ultimately will be favorable to the economy with people spending less money

on office space. very far reaching, but ultimately will be favorable to the economy with people spending less money on, uh, on office space. But it won't be favorable. It won't be economically favorable to urban centers. I agree. There will be a rebalancing. That's why I said rebalancing.

I'm not saying they're making that loss for America. The internet killed a lot of industries, but overall it rendered things more efficient. We're having two different conversations. You're talking about the arc. You're giving me the bad news. I'm giving you the long-term good news. No, I don't see it as bad news.

It's bad news if you're a landlord in New York City. It's good news if you just love dynamic, intellectually curious artistic environments. Anyway, let's keep the people wanting more. just love dynamic, intellectually curious artistic environments. Anyway, let's keep the people wanting more. That's what my mom says. You're 100% right. We've beat this into the ground. You're right. We've made our points adequately.

Dove, hopefully see you sooner rather than later, but who knows? Monday. Maybe I'll come out there and we'll social distance. Yeah, no, no, let's, let's do that.

You're welcome to come here, but I'm in the city. I'll be in the city at the end of the week and certainly this weekend. Let's, let's, I'm meeting up this weekend.

You did that, right? You did a social. I did that with Sandy Marks the other night. Yeah, we had a, we had a social,

we had a six foot apart drink. It was rather pleasant. Yeah. So, podcast at comedyse had a six foot apart drink. It was rather pleasant. So podcast at ComedySeller.com for comments, suggestions, critiques at Dove David

off on all the social media. Yeah. I know what's going on with the road dog. Less of a road dog than he used to be. Yes, that's right.

On my knees, Periel Asherbrad, Amazon.com and all your booksellers will have it in stock and I guess we'll see you next time

we're going to discuss Periel's book so that should be very interesting we'll do that on the next episode thank you everybody wait and we're going to

start doing these every Monday okay alright every Monday bonus episode we'll see you next time bye bye from the table

bye guys bye guys Every Monday bonus episode. We'll see you next time. Bye from the table. Bye, guys. Bye, guys.