The Comedy Cellar: Live from the Table - Cellar Security Discusses the Police

Episode Date: June 18, 2020

Cellar Security Discusses the Police: Steven King, Sean Moore and Andre Garcia 

You're listening to The Comedy Cellar, live from the table, on the Riotcast Network, riotcast.com. Good evening, everybody. Welcome to the Comedy Cell Show here on Raw Dog, Channel 99 on Sirius Radio. My name is Noam Dorman. I'm the owner of the Comedy Cell. I'm here as always with my friend Daniel Natterman. And we have three of the all the employees of the old work of security. I put security

in quotes because we don't have much rough and tumble going on down there. But Stephen King, Big Steve as we call him. Sean Moore, who is also Steve's nephew. Nephew.

And Andre. I never knew your last name. Your last name is Garcia? Yes, sir. It's weird. We never use his last name. It's just Andre. And I don't do the payroll or anything. When they said Garcia, I didn't even remember

being Garcia. It's so weird. Anyway. So we all know each other a long time. And, you know, always when there's kind of like racial issues over the years, Stephen and I always talk pretty frankly about this stuff. But I thought in this situation, you guys would be really interesting to talk to because I believe that you guys can see this from many, many different angles. The obvious angle is that you're three black men who've grown up, for the most part, dealing with the way black people are treated in New York. But you also do a policeman's like job. And I believe,

although you guys will correct me if I'm wrong, that often when you see the cops react, you see yourself having been in similar situations. And I will say that all the things that we've seen, except for the guy who was, you know, George Floyd, who was just murdered. Leaving that one aside, the other kinds of incidents we've seen very often do remind me of situations that we've talked about down at the club in terms of de-escalating, when to use force, when to let it go. I remember one time I wrote out a rules of engagement. I don't know if you guys remember, you know, and some of the stuff I remember is very similar to what they're talking about now, you know, in terms of police reforms

and Andre, I'll tell you this. I met Andre when, um, we had rumor, which was like these promoters came in and Andre, I don't know if you remember this, but there was this white guy who was on the security team then, I guess he was an ex-cop. And he used a choke hold one time. I didn't hire it. And he said to a guy, you're going to sleep now. And he put the guy to sleep. Do you guys remember that, Stephen?

And I said, what the fuck? Yes. And I had him out of there immediately. But that was my first look at, and I thought even then, like how routine this must be, if this guy was doing it to some guy at a, at a club. So, so, so having said that, I'm almost done. I also want to say that we're all, we're all, I don't like when bosses say that, you know, everybody's family, but I would say this, that we know each other a long time and that at the point where we no longer work together,

I believe that we'd all want to stay in touch with each other and remain in contact with each other for the rest of our lives. That's how I would characterize the relationship. I won't put you on the spot, but I do believe that that's kind of the feeling that we have for each other. It's a very, very long relationship. And to people who are listening at home, and that doesn't mean, you know, we haven't had bad fights or differences, but that makes it stronger in a way. And for people listening at home,

you might think no matter what's said here, I don't know, I have no idea what's going to be said, that they might say one thing or another because they're worried about retribution from me on the job or whatever it is. And I know you want to believe that you will, but I will just say that there is nothing they could possibly say on this podcast that could be worse than the things they've already said to me. I don't think anybody's worried about being fired for speaking frankly to me

after all this time i hope that's the way you guys feel okay so let's so let's let's take it so let's start with um steve um in in no particular uh from no particular angle what what are your feelings during all this stuff going on well i, I mean, for me, the issue that I have, I've said this before, this is not, it's not like this is increasing, like these things are increasing. It's just that we are able to see them as soon as they happen.

Some of them, we're able to see them as they're happening. Like everything else, what makes it so bad is that we see it as it's happening. Like everything else, what makes it so bad is that we see it as it's happening. We see it and no one does anything about it. The powers that be, let it go on or they let it escalate before they decide, okay, yeah, maybe we should bring charges. Like with the George Floyd thing. I've never heard of what was a third degree murder. Yeah, I never heard of it. They raised a second, but at first they were bringing that I'm sure it's on the books, but they're bringing third degree murder. I'm not going to say that. Yeah,

first degree, simply because that would mean that you would have to prove intent that he went out specifically to kill this man. But secondary, yes, that's what I think it should be, because no matter how you look at it, he was on this man's neck for eight minutes or whatever it was. Then you go to the issue of the one, I believe that just happened in Georgia, where the cop shot the guy running away in the back.

Okay, I get whatever the situation was, you and your partner got into a fight with this guy. You tried to tase him and you fought with him over your taser. One, how did you let him take your taser? If that was your gun, it would be even worse because you let him take your weapon, and you should be able to retain your weapon. But then you're chasing this man.

He turns, yeah, he fires a taser. You know exactly what it was. He missed you, and you pulled your weapon and shot him in the back when all you had to do was let him go. You knew who it was. He missed you and you pulled your weapon and shot him in the back when all you had to do was let him go. You knew who he was. And it's things like that, that we have to wait two or three days before they decide to bring charges. That coupled with the fact that if I do a crime automatically, I'm in a room and I'm being questioned. A cop does a crime 48 hours before they can talk to him. How does that work? And no one's doing anything about it.

They're not changing that. So, okay. So Steve's focusing on the police stuff. I just want to go to each of you and then I have a lot of questions. Sean, what's your feeling these days about everything? I've got to be honest with you. I'm absolutely terrified. And that's because I feel like we have

war. You know, like Stephen said, to piggyback off what he said, this is not something that's just happening. This is something that's been going on for quite some time, and we're just capturing on tape, on video. But like I said, I have two sons that I've got to think about on a regular basis. I don't feel like we evolved like I was thinking we did. And that's the scary part is When you see what's going on

I feel like police are bullies And I'm sorry to say not all police are like that But for the most part they're bullies I remember coming home from The comedy cellar from work My son started working there, he was 16 years old And we're taking a cab home And when we got in

The cab driver tells us He's not taking us to Brooklyn. Meanwhile, we're already in the cab. So I told the guy, sir, we're in your cab. Please, you know, we're not getting out. We're going to, you know, you have to drive us to Brooklyn. Fast forward, we had, I called the cops. I wanted to do the right thing. I called the cops.

The cops come and they did not even ask any questions. They did not investigate anything. They opened the door, told me to get the fuck out and beat it. I said, officer, I'm the one that caught you. You got to go get another cab. I said, listen, I'm trying to teach my son the right thing to do. I caught you guys because this guy refused to take me to my destination. I wanted to show my son the right thing to do, not get into a stuff with this cab driver. And I quote you guys, so you guys could be the mediator. I said, you guys have the words courtesy, professionalism, and respect on your car. You guys did not exercise

not one of those things at all. And I was like, I was shaken. I was so disappointed. I was hurt. I said, I know you guys. I know you're a CEO. I know you're an XO. You guys come to our club all the time. I work right here across the street. And I said, at the end of the day, I said, you know, I wanted to do the right thing. He goes, well, you know, sometimes you don't know when things come. We got to be prepared.

I said, what about probing? What about de-escalating things? What about trying to find out what's going on? You have no idea. And that's what I said. They're bullies. And it's scary. It's quite scary.

Andre? Yes, Norm, I'm here. Could you want to add anything? Yes, well, you know, I took, I piggybacking off of what Sean said, I'll give another from another angle. On a daily basis, I deal with law enforcement agencies over at the airport.

And the officers and agents that I talk to are totally embarrassed. They're hurt by what happened with George Floyd and the other incident that happened just recently in Atlanta. One of the things that law enforcement officials have told me is most of their movements are reaction. It's just like you practice martial arts and somebody, somebody throws a punch at you in a playful mode. They react to that punch. It could be, you know, a defensive move or it could be an aggressive move. But they, they, they, the first thing they told me was, listen, we are hurt by it and we support the Lord George Floyd's family. The other part about it is he said that most of the time they have a perpetrator coming to the airport or when they go out and do a control delivery or something.

Most of the encounters they have is because when they tell someone, listen, stay down, the person does not follow the instructions. They decide to get up and run similar to what happens and that's when it comes into a reaction. But most of the law enforcement officials that I've talked to in the last couple of weeks, they're just in hiding. They just don't want to deal with it. They're embarrassed. They don't even like to say now, listen, what do you do for a living? Oh, I work at the airport. They refuse to say I am such and such an agent.

I work for such and such agency because they're just scared of the backlash that they're going to get from John Doe public. So it is, you know, the morale of the police department, the morale of customs, the morale of the DEA agents, the morale of Port Authority, NYPD. It's really down right now because of what happened with George Floyd and what happened just recently in Atlanta. I get that. I get that. And see, I was the same way. I was always, you know, well, there are bad cops and there's more good cops than bad cops or whatever. But after everything that's going on

and being able to actually sit at home and watch all this stuff, and you got to stop watching the news sometimes. But the thing is, I realized that, okay, that's all well and good. These guys are embarrassed. They side with us and all that stuff. But they are just as bad. They're culpable as well because they're not speaking out.

They're not doing anything. So if they're not part of the solution, they're part of the problem. The 10% of police or the 1% of police that are bad, the 99% is not doing anything about them. They watch their fellow officers commit crimes and they don't speak out.

I don't care about this blue wall of silence crap. All it does is make you just as bad as them. I have, like Sean, Sean has a son. I have a 17-year-old son. You guys have seen my son. My son, when he was 11, was mistaken for an adult

walking into the underground when we showed up for something and I don't remember who was working, but didn't know him and was like, sir, sir, excuse me, sir, my son turned around and said, I'm not a sir, I didn't know him. It was like, sir, sir, excuse me, sir. My son turned around and said, I'm not a, sir,

I'm a boy because he was 11 years old. He's going to encounter that in the street. Since he was able to walk down the street by himself, the number one thing that I've taught him was, you know what you got to do, Steven, know what your, your,

your number one, right is your right to remain silent. Next words out of your mouth is a lawyer. That's it. Because we have to worry about it so much now. And these good cops, yeah, you have a job to do. And I understand that. And these guys are doing things that I'm not going to do. Gunshots on 6th Avenue, I'm running to McDougal Street. They're running to 6th Avenue. But they need to step out, and they need to take a stand themselves.

Stop hiding. The Serpico days are over. I can understand you don't want to speak out because nobody will come to your rescue. If there are so many good cops, then you shouldn't have to worry about that. And if you do have to worry about that, then they need to leave the job. I mean, you're absolutely right, Steve, when you say something like that, because the only reason is I can actually give you from another point of view because I talk to them on a daily basis. I understand that.

The 1% of bad cops is actually higher. Let's just say it's higher than 1%. It's more like 10%. Okay. That's still outweighed by the good cops. Right. They are outweighed, but here's the thing. It's similar to what Norm just said.

I mean, Norm just said, listen, there's no repercussion for speaking your mind, period. But in that department, there is repercussion because I have talked to officers who spoke out, and next thing you know, they're standing on 42nd Street and Broadway on a foot patrol instead of being undercover street crime or what they did before. So there is a sort of repercussion when they speak out. So they fear that, listen, if they come to work and they don't have their right equipment, they're going to lose days. They're scared that somebody's going to set them up. You know, it's... Andre, wait, Steve, let me just add to this

because... You really want to get off your chest? No, go ahead. You know this, I don't know if you remember it, so there was this guy, I won't say his real name, but he was an old Cafe real name, but he was an old Cafe Wa customer and he was an NYPD cop. I've introduced you to him, Steven, I think.

And he saw, he was out of uniform and he saw the cops kicking the shit out of a black guy. And it turned out that the black guy was like a diplomat at the UN or something from Africa or something like that. He was not a criminal. And they had no reason to be kicking the shit out of him. And not that there's ever a reason to kick the shit out of him, but it was an act of brutality. And he went and reported these cops to the superiors. He did the right thing. And the cops he worked with came down on him so viciously, he eventually attempted suicide. He had a nervous breakdown.

He ended up moving to another state. He finally recuperated and went on to, there's a very happy ending to the story, and I don't want to give the happy ending because it might actually identify him because it's such a very happy ending to the story. And I don't want to give the happy ending because it might actually identify him because it's such a unique, happy ending. But that that is really real. I mean, and he was and he was turning in like a blatant example of police brutality and they turned on him horribly. So what stories like that, what it is, is we have no hope. Because that means that no one, because we can protest all we want as black folks, as minorities.

We can protest all we want. But if the powers that be do not do anything, it's not going to happen. Nothing's going to happen. We're just spitting into the wind. Honestly and truly, my true feelings on how anything is going to change for us in this country is through armed insurrection. Because that's the only way anything can get done. Honestly and truly, honestly, it's the only way anything is going to get done because we don't control the weapons. We don't control the laws. I think that has to come from the top.

That has to come from the top. Once again, you're giving an example of why cops don't come forward. If they don't come forward and report the bad cops, it's never going to change. We'll get instances like the George Floyd thing, and yeah, they'll jump on it right then and there.

Then when it gets out of the 15-minute news cycle, it goes right back. Hold on, hold on. Let me bring this up. Juanita's here. Juanita's here. Hey, Juanita. Hi, Juanita.

Hi. My friend Coleman, you know Coleman Hughes, the writer? Yes. So he wrote, you should, I'll send it to you. He wrote an article this week in whatever it meant, Manhattan City Journal that he writes for now. And he did a deep dive into police stuff. And he went through like every single case of 2015 of somebody who was killed.

And what he found was that remarkably, every single story about a black guy who was treated brutally, there was a story about a white guy who was treated brutally, which says to me something very interesting. Even though it wasn't 2015, even George Floyd, there's a guy named Tony Timpa who was actually suffocated to death under a cop's knee on his neck in Dallas for, was it 12? We saw it a bit, 12 minutes. I mean, if we were to bring, if we were to get the racism out of it and just bring the times that it happens to black guys down to the level of times it happens to white guys we would still have a tremendous police violence problem in this country we have a tremendous police violence problem period it's against everyone but unfortunately no it seems to me or whatever it's a disproportionate thing towards minorities, towards black folk. And the thing is, when it happens to black folks... It doesn't matter what color? Right.

But when it happens to black folks, it seems to get brushed under the carpet, or they seem to find a way to get away from it. Okay, yeah, he was fired, but if you look into a lot of these cops after they get released from a job, they get their pension, or they go to another police force in a different country, a different state. But the problem that we're having known

right now is what you just did or what that article is doing is this isn't a Black Lives Matter thing. This is an All Lives Matter thing. That's not what we're talking about right now. That's not the issue that we're burning right now. No, no, that's not what I, I don't, I would never say the all lives matter thing. That's not, and I'm happy you said that because I'd give me a chance to clear that up. That's not what I meant to do. What I meant to do was to bring this home to listeners of all races. If they think that this is not a problem which affects their people or whatever it is,

for them to understand that this is a, and, and if, look, if you, there's a lot of data out there about killing, which implies that the killings are not weighted on race. Not about, not about day to day. There's a lot of data that says that, how do you, how would you describe it? Then every in lower level violence, roughing up all sorts of- It is physical mistreatment. Yeah. A lot of physical mistreatment is clear from the data. It happens to black people more than

white people disproportionately. It's not clear from the data that actually there's more killing of black people than white people. But either way, whether you believe the data, don't believe the data, what I'm trying to say is that don't get too caught up on that issue because however you want to look at that issue, there's a lot of killing, there's a lot of violence coming from cops. And there's really two issues. One is the racism issue. And then there was also that even if we clear up that racism issue, which could be defined by getting it down to the level that it happens as white people.

Well, no, we still haven't cleared it up because even once we get it happening to all races at the same amount, that doesn't mean the problem has gone away. The problem is significant. Even, even if you make that much progress,

that's what I was trying to say. But that's not progress. Even if it, I get what you're saying. Even if we do get an even thing where it's happening to both races or whatever, no, no, that's a problem, period. It's especially a problem when it happens and nothing is done

about it. There's no consequences. The thing is, like you said, the violence toward or the harassment toward minorities is more so than non-minorities. And we see that, right?

We've all seen that on the street. Yes. Now, the thing is, personally, I haven't really experienced it. Other than from a normal person, not from the police. From a normal person, I've had old white women cross the street when they see me. I get into an elevator, they go into the corner, or I'm on a train, and they get to the police. From a normal person, I've had old white women cross the street when they see me. I get into an elevator, they go into the corner, or I'm on a train, and they get to the corner. There's no room in the corner when you're in the elevator.

I would say, I don't usually experience it with the police simply because of my size. Now, I have been pulled over because I was driving while by. There was no reason for them to pull me over. But then when they meet me, it's like, oh wait wait, this is totally different black guy.

But walking down the street, I've never been, oh, yeah, you fit the profile. No, never happened. I've never been stopped in the first. And I've walked down the street all hours of the night, you know, because of my size. But overall, I have a lot of friends, Sean included, that just get stopped for no reason. What about you? Juanita wants to say something. I wanted to say a few things.

A few things. Kick back, everybody. No. Noam and I were having this. We have this discussion at home all the time now. And I feel the way that Steve feels because I think we grew up in a different environment I'm from Brooklyn like you guys and I think we see that harassment a lot more in a different way than these guys would because we were from the hood is different it is

different that's why I get so upset and I feel like yeah we're being targeted but when you come outside of that community you see it's such a big world and you actually see that they're actually doing it to everybody. There's a different perspective. But I understand how it feels. I feel the same way. That's my first reaction, right? I'm always like, they did that because I'm a colored girl.

No, I'm like, what the hell? He gets to us. I say, Juanita, did you make the right turn? They said, no right turn. Yeah, I did, but that's not the point. Juanita, I don't think the cops are chasing Indian women. That's not my point. My point is I always feel like they talk to me differently.

I feel like I get a different kind of treatment. And not just by the way I look. I have that deep Brooklyn accent. Also, by the way that I talk, you know? I'm sure that that's true. And the thing is, I was going to say, that's another thing of profiling. Because even when the white folks get harassed for no reason,

it's usually how they dress. Wait, wait, shut up. Do you remember when it happened to me? Yes. That was rough. And it happens. Like I said, it's never happened to me. It happened to me bad.

And I was the owner of the place. I was up against that wall and he was happened to me. It happened to me bad. And I was the owner of the place. I was up against that wall and he was tough. I remember that. But my white privilege in that was that I was able to call up the precinct and the guy got reprimanded. Did you see that video I sent you of that Baltimore cop that was sort of an ex-cop from Baltimore? And he was saying that there's almost no way to drive down the street without committing some sort of infraction that could justify a stop.

So if a cop wants to stop you, he can come up with a reason. Well, we know that. Put a blinker on because you changed lanes without a blinker last year uh last year i had gotten off of work from the comedy cell i get off the work of comedy cell at 2 30 in the morning i went around the corner just to say what's up to daniel and soiree and i was going to leave but they were having an issue with a guy in the back who was not supposed to be allowed into the bar but soiree didn't know know that. So I went in to talk to the guy. He knew he wasn't supposed to be back in the bar. We had to put him out. In that time, an incident happened at the pool table

that I had to deal with. So I was inside for 45 minutes dealing with these two incidences. I had parked my car directly in front of the Fat Black. I got in the car. When I left, I got in the car, drove off. I went to the corner, made the right, made the right onto West Wall Street and got pulled over by an unmarked police car. Cop pulled me over. I, you know, I gave him my information. I asked him why I was being stopped. He said to me, he was pulling me over because I was illegally parked on West third street. I said, illegally parked in front of the fat black pussycat. He 3rd Street. I said, illegally parked in front of the Fat Black Pussycat? He said, yes. I said, that's

a legal parking spot after 10 o'clock. From 10 o'clock to 8 o'clock, you can park there. Between 8 and 10, you can't. I said, I've been working there for 20 years, and I showed him my, I was wearing my comedy jacket. He's like, oh, oh, okay. Well, give me a moment. He went and ran my license and everything, and he came back. Then he said to me, oh, okay. Uh, well, give me a moment. He went and ran my license and everything. Then he came back. Then he said to me, well, the reason I pulled you over was because you failed to indicate and use your blinker when you pulled

out the parking spot. I'm like, are you kidding me? That's not what you told me the first time. No, he pulled me over because a black man get into a pretty decent car, whatever. And he had no, once he pulled me over, he had no reason to stop me. There was no, nothing wrong with my car. Everything was right. Whatever. Okay. Maybe he thought I was drinking, but the moment that he

spoke to me, he knew I wasn't drinking. I didn't smell like alcohol. I wasn't slurring, nothing. I gave him everything he wanted. So what was the reason? He gave me two different reasons. Andre, I've heard, I've heard that same type of story before from, I don't know, recently I heard it somewhere. Andre, did've heard, I've heard that same type of story before from, I don't know, recently I heard it somewhere. Andre, did you want to say something? Yeah, I was going to say, I live in the borough of Staten Island as a African American in the borough of Staten Island.

You should be getting pulled over every day. I was going to tell you that every weekend after leaving the comedy cellar, coming off of the um the the um the highway above half a mile i always get pulled over and they run your plate they keep you they they they basically keep you there they run your plate they look they they they will test the tint on the windows, everything, trying to find. And usually that's before I show them the courtesy shield and other credible information before they say, oh, why didn't you show us this before? And then they would let me go. So me as an immigrant coming to this country,

ever since I've been here, I've always encountered a form of racism and bullying. And this is, now Steve, you know, Steve Norm, this is nothing against you guys, all right? We are one family. But I'm talking about in high school, it was relentless, right? And even in Staten Island, you know, I got a moving violation, which I won. I got pulled over for making a left from Forest Avenue into Coles. Meanwhile, there were six or seven other Caucasian people making the same turn. They didn't get pulled over. I was sitting there and I got the citation, which I eventually won in court.

But when you talk about racism, it is blatant. Andre. It is blatant. Yes. Andre, how do you channel that rage? There's got to be a rage attached with that. I would feel a rage. I feel, how do you, that rage you there's got to be a rage attached with that i would feel a

rage i feel how do you what do you do well yeah there there is a rage and you know steve myself sean and the guys we talk and they know like uh most of the time my my rage is channeled through working out martial arts meditation because you know they will use that sort of, when you show them some sort of, like, reaction, they're going to use that against you, and next thing you know, you will be on the floor with a knee in your throat. You're always going to be wrong. You just take whatever, Grieve it later in court There's a motto

That an old, old motto That the police department have Which I think They live by, it's a code they live by It says It's better to be judged by 12 Than carried by 6 Well actually

That's a good Thing to talk about So what that means if anybody doesn't pick up on it by six. Well, actually, that's a good thing to talk about. So what that means, if anybody doesn't pick up on it, is that they'd rather be judged better to get charged with a crime than risk your safety and get carried by six pallbearers. That's the...

So wait, so actually, so that's part of it. And you guys know, if I'm nothing, I'm honest to a fault. And you know, one of the things that's always, I've always had trouble with this issue is trying to figure out what comes from the almost inevitable result of the higher rates of violent crime in certain neighborhoods and certain communities and what could be without it. For instance, I was against stop and frisk, not because I thought the intention was racist. And we know the violent,

the crime stats of shootings. We know that. But that I just, because I know guys like you, I just thought the price was too high to pay to have a whole community of people living under that humiliation of being pulled over, even if the cop is nice, but usually they're not nice, right? And usually you have stress. And I mean, I go through when I'm pulled over, like, is this going to be okay? Is it, you know, and usually they are okay, but from time to time, they find a way of letting you know that you're under their thumb. You don't fall for it.

And to go through that 10 times a year, even in good faith because there's been shootings or whatever it is, is a very, very high price for the law-abiding community to pay to do it. But still, that does get weighed in some way. And I'm wondering, do you ever look at it from that side and say, well, but I, you know, this is a bad neighborhood, you know? Well, they did a study on that.

They had a documentary on these cops. It's like the, you know what they call it? Something like the police toll or something like that. You know what? So it's about these guys that they're whistleblowers. And basically they went on a TV

show and it stated what they're told to do. They're told to target minorities between a certain age and certain areas because they know that once you stop them and place them under arrest, they're either going to pay the bill or get locked up.

They're going to pay their bail or whatever. It's a money generator. And they said that. And they are tired of it. And they said, you know what? We started doing this place. So once they aired the documentary, they started getting backlash from it.

And it was terrible for them. Now, let me ask you guys a question. By the way, I have just slowed down here the Atlanta shooting because I want to use it as a launching off point and I just slowed down the few seconds of the shooting.

I'm just going to show it. Andre won't be able to see it just so that we can talk about it because Steven referred to it before. You guys can see that, right? Yeah. I see it. He's running there.

The guy turns. Wait, he's about to turn. He fires the taser. Boom. And now the guy returns fire like that. And that all happens, and he's about to fall. That all happens.

This is a 25% speed. So that all happens in a's about to fall that all happens this is a 25 speed so that all happens so just for the just for wait hold on so just for the to be clear and then i want to talk about it as you can see there he shoots him in the back but he's actually am i thinking on this is not what you might think from the way I'm presenting it. So it's a whole reserve judgment. So even though he's got shot in the back there, you can see he's actually pointing the taser at the officer. Now, I at first thought, well, he's pointing the taser at the officer. And if he tases him and he becomes incapacitated, then anything could happen to the officer. But then I heard, I didn't realize this, I should have known this, that once the taser is fired, it's no longer dangerous.

It's spent. So then essentially the man is unarmed at the point when the taser has been fired. So then at that point, you say, well, he shot an unarmed man. But then there is another question. You say, well, it happened so fast. Did he already make the decision to fire when the guy was shooting the taser? You know what I mean? You need a neurologist to analyze that. I know I'm talking all the time, but then it all reminds me of something that I want to ask you about. And then you say you can take it anywhere you want. So one of the things that we have trouble with, and you guys have been there,

I'll give you an example. We have a policy at the club that if somebody doesn't want to pay the bill and they refuse to give the receipt to the door guy, I tell the door guys what? Let them go. Don't touch them. Let them go. Let them go. And no matter how many times I've said that, we still have incidents where the door guy gets into it with the guy trying to leave, right? And I've learned that there is just at some point, something takes over where you don't want to let the guy get over on you. It's not my money that you're worried about. It's not your money that you're worried about.

Well, ego. It's not your job that you're worried about because you know you're going to get in trouble for not letting him go. And so in this cop here, he's arresting this guy for being drunk and the cop, and then the guy's fighting the cops. You saw the footage of him fighting the cops, right? And he fights them both.

And it's clear at some point, this cop, training or no training, is no longer reacting as a cop. He just doesn't want to let this fucking guy win. And you guys can identify with that in some way. And I wonder what you can say about that. To a point. Yeah, to a point.

We're talking about the use of deadly force. No matter how you look at it, the guy was running away. You fired a gun. Yes, the taser. Once that taser is fired fired you have to reload it with another cartridge so once it was fired and it missed there's nothing that could happen after that but it's pretty instantaneous steven it's pretty yes and it was a split season dissection

a split second decision i've never had to make like that but i do make split decisions that say don't hit this guy even though no matter what i want to hit him this guy pulled the gun no matter how you look at it he knows in his mind no matter how angry he is i kill his dad he's dead there's no coming back there's no explaining there's no such thing as a warning shot in any police department in the united states you can't do that it's either shoot him or you don't. Let me show it in real time. I know how fast it was. I've seen it a number of times.

People are watching it. I just showed it in real time just to see how fast it goes. Taser fire and shot. That's it. That's how fast it is in real time. It's not clear to me. I know this will be in the case whether or not you can actually i mean what i think is the mistake is and you know you and you guys can you know this is exactly what i would have said i would have said let him go you

have his car he's not dangerous you didn't pick him up for trying to murder somebody you pick him up for being drunk just let him go go. Or just keep chasing him. You're going to catch him. What I'm saying is, you don't you pulled your weapon against, it's like, okay, the guy has a stick.

I'm going to pull my gun. I'm 30 feet away. He's got a stick. I'm going to shoot him because I fear for my life. Really? You see what I'm saying? I can see if it got a stick. I'm going to shoot him because I fear for my life. Really? Yeah. You see what I'm saying? I can see if it was a knife. Let me tell you why I disagree.

I'll tell you. And then we'll let Juanita. I think he needed to let him go. You know why? Because the truth is I don't expect the cop to get tased. If he's chasing him and the guy points the taser at him and fire is about to fire it. I think the cop has a right to defend himself. But the problem is by,

by not letting him go, he's put himself in that situation where he may have to kill this guy with a taser for nothing because he's not a threat to anybody and you have his car. So you just, you know, he is. What's that? I said, you should go. Cause you know who he is.

The point that I wasn't like he was unknown. Let me stop talking over my wife. Go ahead. Go ahead. The thing is, you guys are all rationalizing it after the fact. Right. So let's just talk about in the heat of the moment, because you guys have worked with me and I've worked with you for a long time. And, you know, in the heat of the moment, you don't think, right?

You see me yoke people up, all kinds of craziness in the heat of the moment. So this guy is chasing him and just someone pointing something at you and shooting at you, even if it's not a gun, could give you that reaction of, oh, my God, I have to protect myself and shoot back. But he pulled the weapon before he shot. One, he was running with the weapon out. Two, he knew exactly what it was because it was his taser.

I took it from him. If he gets tased, then the guy could conceivably take his gun and shoot him. That's what I say. I think the cop has it right. I understand that, but he also wasn't alone. What's that?

He wasn't alone. That fight that he had when he was wrestling with the guy, he was wrestling with the guy. His partner was involved in the wrestling too. It was two on one. I have trouble with saying to an officer that if a guy resists arrest and punches you a few times and grabs your weapon, and then he points it at you, that you can't take out your weapon. I have trouble with that. No, no, no. That's different.

That's different. If the guy has an actual weapon, if the guy was able to take the cop's weapon and the cop was able to grab his back, that's a different story. But we're talking about a taser. The cop knew exactly what it was. Not only after the guy fired, the guy turned around and ran.

He continued running. He shot him in the back. He shot him in the back. No, no, no. I play football for God knows how many years. Sean knows this. We teach this when we teach the kids. If you can't see his face, you don't touch him.

In other words, you don't hit him in the back. No, no. But I mean, from what I can tell, maybe he shot him in the back, but while the guy was still pointing, he was running but had his neck twisted and pointing the gun backwards. So usually when you say shot him in the back,

like that guy in South Carolina, the cop shot him in the back, it's when the guy's usually shot in the back is shorthand for he was no threat to you whatsoever. That doesn't seem, now maybe I'm not perceiving it right. Steve, just to make a point similar to what Juanita said when we first started talking about it, it was reactionary. Because he's running, his training took over, and the first thing he did was muscle memory, grab, and shoot. I'm not saying it's right, but I understand what Juanita is saying. It was reactionary. but I understand it was my issue is I mean Steve

when you're in the heat of the action and somebody just turn and looks at you the first thing your training does is take over his training he's gonna draw and fire his training

why do you guys on like hair trigger responses? Like, isn't their fucking job? Perrielle, hold on. Listen, just to be fair. His training said when they first got into the encounter

and got into the physical altercation, use your taser because the guy doesn't have a weapon. They had already frisked him. They already knew he was unarmed. So his training said, use your taser to incapacitate him. Now the training says, okay, he has a taser. He has a non-lethal weapon. I'm sorry. It's not non-lethal. It's less than lethal weapon.

Shoot him with than lethal weapon. Right. Shoot them with a lethal weapon. Yeah. I understand all that, but you drew your weapon while the guy was running away. You're running. You pulled your weapon. We're not saying it's right. We're not saying it's right at all,

but we just, I'm just, I'm just showing you what Juanita said and what our training does is the same similar situation. We're not saying it's right. It's just a reaction that was totally wrong. So, Stephen, from what I read, I think that you can pull a gun on a taser. I believe a cop has the right to pull a gun on a taser. But okay, so here's the next question. So, and this is why kind of what I was getting at before, what I didn't mean when I was talking about, you know, the different aspects of it.

So what I'm seeing there is a universe away from what I saw with George Floyd. With George Floyd, I saw a guy murdered who was in handcuffs by a sadist. Here, what I see is a cop caught up in the moment by a guy who did some, you know, who was beating the, you know, trying to beat the shit out of the cop. You know, the cop was in the right 100% of the time here right up until he pulled the trigger, right? I mean, we were rooting. Well, yeah, I i get that that's my thing my issue was i don't think that he should have had to be he should have pulled his weapon no so my question is and this is really where it gets tough for me

i said to myself okay now i don't think the cop in the end i think the cop should have let him go and i think that i don't know if you can train it out of him but in the end he did shoot it he did shoot a guy who was not armed in the sense that the taser was already spent, so therefore he's not armed. So the next question is now, do I want to see this cop in jail? No. And there I have trouble. I don't.

Maybe I'm wrong. You can tell me where I'm wrong, but I don't want to see him in jail. I think he should be fired, terminated, or, you know, I think jail is harsh because he was doing the job. He was performing the duty. It wasn't like the dude that killed George Floyd. He maliciously did that.

I think, like Juanita said, it was a reactionary move. Was it right or wrong? I don't think it deems him going to jail because I don't think he intentionally wanted to kill that. I think involuntary manslaughter, whatever. I don't think he should go to jail, although they are no police officer. As far as I know, it's I believe no police officer allowed to shoot a fleeing felon. But, um, yeah, I don't think he intended to murder this guy. I think that but I don't think he should still be a cop.

Right. I agree. And I don't think that these cops should be reacting in the same way, like Juanita, what you're saying. It's one thing if you or I lose our temper or lose our cool, but like reacting in the heat of the moment, like that's exactly what police officers

should not be doing. Ariel, okay, this is where... But that's a human thing. Yeah, this is where the anecdotal nature what police officers should not be doing. But that's a human thing. Yeah, this is where the anecdotal nature of what we see can be dangerous. Because, and these guys, listen, Stephen King, I've seen people spit in his face and call him the n-word

and he did not pulverize I wanted to break his neck I've seen him I've seen him I have spoken I have spoken admiringly about Steve King

and his self-control so often in my life because I was so proud of him for that ability that I didn't know if I, I honestly didn't know, could I do that? You know, yet, yet even Steve, Stephen King has once or twice needed his friends to put their hand on his shoulders, say, Stephen, walk away, Walk away. Even, what I'm saying is that even the guy I know on planet Earth who has more self-control probably than any other person I've ever met in my whole life, I have seen him lose it.

And when you deal with tens of, and you can't train it out of somebody, you can just minimize it. When you have tens of thousands of cops and hundreds of thousands of police encounters every year, and then you reduce it down to a dozen or so incidents that happen on an annual basis, and you try to draw conclusions from that, it may not be a realistic thing to think you're ever going to get people overreacting down to zero with training. Training

is not real life. They need training. Yes, they need psychological training as well as physical training for a lot of these things. But the issue is that nothing is being done when it's blatant, when it's blatantly wrong, when it's a criminal act, nothing is being done. Oh, he gets two days on the street. He gets a week on the street. But he's getting a week on the street with pay. So you just gave him vacation. They're not taking his days and paying him. They're giving him his salary, yet he still keeps whatever else.

So that's the problem. Let me ask you guys this. You see our cops, they go through a six-month training program. I think that's pretty short. As you look at other, like, say, for example, a beautician, they go through a six-month training program. I think that's pretty short. As you look at other, like, say, for example, a beautician, they go through two years

of training. And other professions, they go through an extensive time. Six months for a cop to be placed on the street and they call them professionals and I think that's too small of a training. I think it should be more extensive. That's a very good point. Andre, what do you think? I think that's too small of a chain. I think it should be more expensive. That's a very good point.

Andre, what do you think? I think, well, I'm in agreement with a longer training period. I am actually for that. But I think what happened is the psychological test could actually be ramped up a bit. Because at some point, they're going to crack under the psychological test because that is that makes or break them when they do that psych test and if they don't put them on the street it could well be you know we need x number of cops there might not be enough people that could possibly hold on the psychological'll mute Steve until he's ready.

Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead, Dan. I'm saying that there might... I mean, what we're asking cops to do is rather than to be soldiers, peacemakers, lawyers, psychiatrists, to do it well is so difficult. We may not have enough people qualified

to fill all the police departments. I'd rather have the quality than have the quantity and have the quantity of being the bad guys and making everything else bad. I mean, I think that it should take that. I mean, how many incidents can be de-escalated

by just talking? You know, the other day I seen another clip, a video of a gentleman in Texas. The guy ran a red light. The cops went after him. He went into his garage at his own place. He gets out.

Cops, six cops have their guns drawn on them. The grandmother comes out to try to find out what's going on. And they still got their guns out. This guy did a traffic violation, if anything. Your guns are out for a traffic violation? Dude, Elon told me a story.

You should ask him to tell it to you. Elon's a friend of ours, a singer. His father was a minister. He told me a story of some... They were driving home from church one day when he was a kid and pulled his father over for some bullshit and have the, and have the guns out, you know, and he, and it traumatized Elon basically for the rest of his life.

I mean, that's, having said that, having said that, I don't know what the cop call the cop was answering. I mean, Jersey, Jersey city, especially in the nineties and the eighties, that was a tough place. The cop may have been doing his job, you know, this is, but there's a heavy price that people pay that I don't think, I think that's actually, to me, that's always been the bigger issue of police brutality.

I think it's always been miscast as an issue of people being killed. I think that's the least of it. Forgive me if that sounds harsh. I think the real issue is the day-to-day fucking humiliation that people, black guys, deal with with the cops.

And if they saw the cops as generally professional and respectful, then when they saw someone getting shot, they would be like, oh shit, that's a bad cop. But you wouldn't be freaking out about the cops because you know, the cops, they're generally respectful and professional. But when you know, the cops would be bullies, then this is just like

the ultimate expression of it. And it breaks the camel's back and it's, and it becomes an excuse to release all that resentment. But the resentment is not at the shooting that happens once or twice a year. The resentment is at the way you've been treated your whole life by the cops without getting, without getting shot or without even being beaten up the fucking way they treat you. Every day. Is that,

does that sound right? Yes, I agree. The commissioner of police did something really remarkable. I think everybody remembers this. What he's doing is disbanding the street crime unit. Right. And I think most of us remember back in the 80s, late 70s, early 80s, community policing.

Yes. When the cops were part of the community. Right. They need to increase that some more. They need to start doing that again. Get to know the neighborhood. Get They need to start doing that again. Get to know the neighborhood. Get to know the kids in the neighborhood.

I mean, I remember back in the 80s. I knew the cops in my neighborhood. My name. Right, there you go. They used to be in the basketball court in Mount Morris. Yeah, you're 100% right. You know, that needs to be increased because most of the cops. They don't have no relationship with anybody. They have no relationship with anyone in the city they work in.

They live in the Long Island area. They live in the upstate areas. They know the people up there, but they don't know the people where they're working. I need to talk real quick before you go because she's been waiting to talk. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I agree with everything that Andre is saying.

And I think he hit on something that people are not talking about. Because even these city jobs, police officers, down to nurses, all these people who see these kind of trauma every day, it's not just – there should be an ongoing psychological assessment. There should be a quarterly assessment for these guys because they're already dealing with all kinds of craziness. For wives, too. Okay.

I agree. And the other thing is, they're fighting for defunding the police. That's so idiotic. What we really need to do is de-unionize the police, and they need to not police themselves. Oh, this is great. So defund the police. Ezra Klein, who is this

left-wing egghead, he's a very, very smart guy, but he's one of these typically totally sheltered guys. He wants, when there's a fight, he saw a fight between two homeless guys who were kicking the shit out of each other,

he wrote, and he said he wanted to call the cops, but he was afraid of how the cops might treat them, so he chose not to, and he said, I wish I could just call out a mediator. So, how do you... How do you guys feel if the next time we have a

bar fight, that instead of, that we defund the cops and start calling out mediators? What do you think about that, guys? The mediators are going to end up shooting people. They're going to show up with guns. Can you believe how stupid, and this is where real life happens. You only have two cheeks. People are so stupid.

I mean, we are all very lucky, all of us. I say this all the time because our life experience and the way we are with each other, we actually know a lot about a lot of... We can see this from a lot of angles. That's why I really wanted to talk to you guys because you guys can see it from the angle of being scared, of fighting somebody, of getting carried away of calling the

cops needing the cops but fearing the cops like you you guys get all that um and you know my life i i but you know some of these writers they don't have they probably don't black people are literally something they read about in books and and. Like these, they don't have any life with black people. They think that all black people want to get rid of the cops. I'm like, I didn't speak to you guys. I know you guys. I mean,

you could tell me if you do want to get rid of the cops. No, no, no, not at all. I mean, the notion that you would keep back the chaos. I'm about to call the cops in five minutes.

These guys outside my door. I mean, the notion that they would think, oh, yeah, we want it. Black people want no more police. No, they demand a correct police department. But they still need somebody when they're in trouble. It's so funny because my white friends, they're basically like shocked. You know the term woke? Yeah. A few of my white friends are devastated. I shocked. You know the term woke? Yeah.

A few of my white friends are devastated. I'm not trying to be funny. I had no idea that you guys woke me. And I actually tell them all the time. There's one guy in particular. I send him the videos all the time of things that happen. I'm obsessed with the videos, by the way. I'm obsessed.

I need a job so we can start. But I'm obsessed with YouTube and watching all these videos not for the for the purpose of being angry but for the purpose of seeing what's going on in the world and what's going on in other places New York is not as bad guys it's really not as bad as as the other uh states like Minnesota and all those other guys like that but at the same token my my wife was like, Sean, I really did not have any idea. I didn't think it was as bad. He goes, now

I'm actually seeing what's going on and it's not right. So more and more people are starting to be understanding about things. What about your son, Sean? Has he had any bad experiences? Yes, he has had a few bad experiences. That's why I'm so terrified. I'm terrified. He had a bad experience when he was driving to school. And but actually, it turned out great. The cops pulled him over. Sean says that he always keeps his the name of his college on the car. He makes sure that he follows the instructions, keep his hand on the steering wheel when he gets pulled over. But you got some guys as good cop, bad cop. And one cop in particular was kind of rough with them.

And the other cop recognized that, oh, this guy is a student at SUNY Westbury. Found out he was in a fraternity. And in order to be in a fraternity, people know that you got to have a good grade. You have to make sure, you know, you got to do a lot of things to get into a fraternity. It's not like, you know, you just take anybody off the street. So the guy was like, hey, we're fraterning you. And it turned out to be a good thing. But my son said

he was terrified. Can you imagine getting that phone call that your son got pulled over and was thrown down and needed to go to prison? How much better are black cops

than white cops? And then, sorry, I gotta tell you something. Black cops are bad too. There's a lot of bad cops or black cops out there. You agree with that, Stephen? Ice Cube said it.

Black police showing out for the white cop. But yeah, they can be, sometimes they go a little overboard. They don't always do it as in like, oh, no, it's like your brother. You know you're supposed to, I'm not your brother. Because if I was your brother,

then you know that that's not me. I'm not the guy you should be pulling over. Black cops are bullies too. What about you, Andre? What's your feeling I agree Black cops Similar to the point you made earlier

They're trying to protect themselves And don't get chastised by their fellow officers They're going to follow Whatever the locker room says That's what they're going to do They don't want to be Left alone in a gun fight Or they don't want to be left alone in a gunfight or they don't want to be left alone in a dark

alley. So they're going to follow their white officers. Perrielle? I mean, to me, part of, I mean, all of this is very disturbing. It's disturbing that white people are surprised to see that this is going on. I mean, I grew up... They'd be surprised at your problems too, Perry. But, you know, one of the things that I find particularly insidious is that white kids don't have to think about the things that your son, Sean, is thinking about.

You know, that a college student who's white, who's driving around is not thinking, oh, I should put a sticker on my car so that in case I get pulled over, the officer knows that I'm a university student. Like that is so deeply fucked up in this country. And that I think is the thing that is lost on so many people. And you know, this idea that cops are bullies. Well, they're only bullies depending on who you are. Like I've never been bullied by a cop.

Cops have been super nice to me my whole life. That's also because women can hit cops, apparently, you know. I'll tell you something else. I'll tell you something else where I do tend. I mean, New York, we all lived in New York when it was the wild west. And, and, and in those days when we, when people were getting murdered, I mean, I don't know if you guys were still around then, but when my father got mugged at gunpoint on third street,

Ava got mugged and had her head smashed into the ground on fifth Avenue. Juanita got mugged. Every waitresses were getting mugged. People were getting beat up. I mean, there was all sorts of stories in those days i had a lot more instinct to defend the cops i'm like well what are they supposed to do you know like they got it they got to go out i mean but now that that i mean i haven't heard knock on wood about anybody that we know being the victim of a violent crime in a long long time in new york so you would really think, now's the time, like there's not that much excuse for it anymore

as opposed to like in Chicago, like where just two weeks ago, they had 18 shootings in one day or 18 killings. Like, you know, in that area, if the cops are pulling over a guy driving, I'm going to say,

well, you know, who am I to say the cops? I mean, they got 18 murders in one day. They got to pull over somebody if they want to investigate this shit, you know? So, so I, a lot of it is time and place, but I have to say that in New York, that excuse is less and less valid. But on the other hand, we all do see it happening less and less in New York as well, I think. Yeah, like Sean said. Sean said that New York is not as bad as other places. But I want to talk or get on what Perry L said

on top of what Sean said about the cops being bullies. The problem, the reason why I see them being bullies or whatever, a lot of these cops, first off, are way too young. This whole, in order to be a police officer, you need 60 college credits as if this is going to make a Sparta cop. No. All it's doing is giving these kids, okay, I can go to school for two years and I can get this great paying job just until I find something else. They don't test for cowardice.

They don't test for racism. And they don't test, like I said, for bullying. A lot of these kids didn't make for cowardice. They don't test for racism. And they don't test, like I said, for bullying. A lot of these kids didn't make the football team. They were bullied in school or whatever. To be a police officer, all you have to do is get those college credits past the test and past the physical, which isn't hard. So a lot of them would be... Wait, hold on here.

It's worse than that, Stephen, because a lot of these people become cops because they want to bully. Yes. It's attractive. And my thing is, if you look at, I think that they should allow older people to become cops. They have an age cutoff. And the age cutoff is like, yeah, listen, if you are a 40-year-old man, and you are capable of doing physically what the 20-year-old did, that physical and all that, why can't you become a cop? I think that that guy, if testing is right, is more level-headed than the 22-year-old who grew up in Staten Island, in the suburbs of Staten Island or whatever and stick him in the middle of Brownsville.

Okay, let's wind up. Can I ask the panel a question? So, according to what, you know, I mean, I totally agree with it. Do you think this is a question to the panel, do you think if cops were living in the neighborhoods similar to where

they were patrolling, do you think they would be better? Way better. I think they would be better, but one of the reasons why they don't allow it, and I get it, is graft. Because you're in the neighborhood, you're more susceptible to do things that you shouldn't be doing. But back in the 70s and 80s, they actually lived in the neighborhood. And that's why they changed it because there were a lot of cops that were doing things in their neighborhoods that they should not be doing.

They were doing it in other neighborhoods that they shouldn't be doing. Steven, that's very interesting because we might have traded, well, there was more violence in those days, too. Listen, here's my I want to wind it up because we're over time. So we all know

like the cops that we call when we're in trouble and we depend on and we're friendly with and they hang out and they're good guys and they might hear this and they might be mad at us for some of the things we're saying. So what would you want to say

to those cops that we know, if they heard this whole conversation, would you want to say, you know, just to be honest with the cops that I know, they're pretty much, they put, they pretty much well-grounded, you know, these guys grew up in the hood. Like Juanita said, you know, they they're familiar with it. They're the guys that was victim. Actually I have cop friends that are victims. They get stopped themselves and they get very pissed off.

What I would say is that to the cops that I know, guys, I'm definitely not talking about you guys. I'm talking about bona fide bullies, guys who don't have any kind of communication skills, guys who just want to sit there and just pump their chest, guys that want to sit there and let you know they're their authority figure. Those are the guys I'm talking about,

not the guys who actually go out there and let you know they're the authority figure. Those are the guys I'm talking about. Not the guys who actually go out there and put the uniform on. We appreciate you guys 110%, guys. I'm not actually directed to you. It's to the guys that are bullies, that they call themselves being feared, they call themselves being scared. Do another job.

Yeah. It was added. I'm just you know well I was gonna say because the cops I mean how many times has the cops saved our ass yeah

you know yeah I mean what Sean said I just I just wanna add I think that those cops

and cops like them they need to somehow find a way to seek out cops like them and somehow voice or find a way to voice what they see them and somehow voice or find a way to voice what they see that's going on.

If you see something going on, find a way to report it. If you could do it anonymously, if you could, whatever. But somehow find a way to clean that up. That's the thing that seems to be really, really serious, like crisis level. Like from the inside of the system, there has to be a way, like you got to get rid of these guys.

You cannot have a police force that the good guys are scared to out the bad guys for fear of retribution. Like that. They got to break the union. They got to bust the union. They got to bust the union enough with the unions. Don't do good. That's right. Almost anywhere. Enough with the union. Unions don't do good almost anywhere. I mean, they did good when people were working 80 hours in coal mines,

but I haven't seen anything much good of unions, especially public unions. And by the way, once they finish with the cop unions, they should get to the teacher unions where they protect bad teachers just like they protect bad cops. Andre? Yeah, I agree. I'm just piggybacking off of what Sean and Steve said. To the guys that are out there that's actually doing the job,

you know, I personally want to say thank you, you know, and keep up the good work. I just hope that the police department put in place some sort of protection for the ones who want to speak out because there are guys who want to speak out, but they feel like they're not protected. That's all. Well, I know that that's true

because I've tried to get some cops to come on here and they agreed at first and then three different ones. At the end, at the last minute, even anonymously, I said I wouldn't even tell Perry, Ellen, Dan their name, and they thought it was just too risky to do it.

What about a retired cop? What's that? Retired cop. No, real cops. What about a retired cop? It's just... They're still real cops. It's hard for them.

And what makes it even harder is that, as we know, is that it's not two clear categories. Sometimes the bad cops are the good cops. Like the cop was really, like the good cop who helped, the guy who helps us, he knows us, and maybe even be brave and risk his life for us, can also be the guy who bullies somebody in another neighborhood, you know, the next day.

That's true. Just happens to like us. Alright, well fellas, unless anybody has anything they want to add about anything at all that you're feeling. I know it's an emotional time. I just want you to sign that clause that you can't fire us. That's all. I'm going to pass it to you right now.

Just wanted to say that I miss all you guys. I miss you guys. I can't wait for this to be over and get back. Yeah. Yeah, and, you know, to add on top of that, you know, I want to say, you know, thanks to you guys for the norm and the hosts for putting this together because this is something that was well worth it.

It's a platform that we could voice our opinion. And again, that's progress because who would have thought that years ago we would have had this platform to voice our own opinion and not get, you know,

not be bullied against for speaking our mind. So thank you, Norm. Thank you to the host. I miss you, Sean. I miss you, Steve. I miss you too, brother. You guys are the best. I miss you, Sean. I miss you, Steve. I miss you, too, brother. You guys are the best.

And we don't just say it's your face. We always say behind your head how lucky we are. I mean, we have been so fortunate in the guys that we worked with. And it's just a very nice thing. And I hope it continues another 20 years. Steven, I don't know what we're going to do. We'll have to prop you up at 80. Yo, Steve, you're the Geritol.

You guys do realize that Dre is older than I am, right? I didn't know that. Yes, Dre is older than me. But I look better than you. You see better than me. That's about it. Dre is stronger than all of us, too. Come on now, you see all of this silver? I'm dead sexy. Look at me.

Hey, Steven, how many IDs do you think you've checked in your life? Oh my God. Oof. We're actually the same age, okay? Okay, Dre. Dre, you know you're 61. Okay. And you're Okay, Dre. Dre, you know you're 61. Okay, and you're

61 too. Hey, is little Steve there? I can't believe he's 17. He was like 12 the last time. Can we see him? Come here for a second. He's bigger than Steven. That actually is little Steven right there in front of us they all got gnome and sure

even with the court because he didn't believe that little steven was his yeah get a paternity test steve the judge just said get out of my court. All right, fellas. Be safe, everybody. All right, you too. Thank you, guys. Thank you.

Hey! Where's your daughter? Stacy! See her, too. Come here. She was just standing here. Come here, Stacy. This is like a supermodel. She's tall, too.

Oh, she went back to sleep. Never mind. Stacey gets up. She's back to sleep. She gets up at like 3 o'clock in the morning every day. She's tall, too. Yeah, she's tall, also. She's like 5'7". 5'6", 5'7", now. Wow.

She dwarfs her mom. No, when I come back, i want to try out for the comedy uh i've been working on my material all right i'm water cooler funny i'm not enough on that stage all right all right you got your first laugh thanks for your confidence man all right guys i'll talk to you guys later. Bye, everybody. One of my favorite episodes ever. Bye, bye. Bye, bye. Thank you.

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I love you guys. Take care. Love you guys. Bye. Love you too.