The Comedy Cellar: Live from the Table - Comedy Clubs, Political Beliefs and Social Media

Episode Date: January 26, 2024

Felicia Madison, GM of the West Side Comedy Club has it out with Comedian Geoffrey Asmus over their differing views on Israel/Palestine and whether it should affect his spots....

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Starting point is 00:00:00 🎵 Can you cue the People's Court music? Okay, I'm going to do a brief intro, and then we'll get to it. This is Live from the Table, the official podcast of New York's world-famous comedy cellar, coming at you on Sirius XM 99 Raw Comedy, formerly known as Raw Dog, and I think the change is a good one from Raw Dog to Raw Comedy. This is also available, by the way, as a podcast, wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:00:48 This is Dan Natterman with Noam Dorman, the owner of the world-famous Comedy Cellar. Has been called the greatest comedy club in the world. Has been called that, and I don't think that's inaccurate. I'm here also with Periel Ashenbrand, who is our producer, but, you know. Better than Rodney's? What's that?
Starting point is 00:01:04 Better than Rodney's? It certainly has that reputation. Of course, Rodney's is new. We'll see where it leads us. We're also here with Felicia Madison, a comedian. She also runs a rival comedy club, the West Side Comedy Club on the Upper West Side. And a fellow
Starting point is 00:01:21 UPenn grad, although her and I were not there concurrently. We are also joined by Jeffrey Asmus, who is a comic as well, and I believe he works here, does he not? Yeah, of course he does. Okay. That's what it says in his bio.
Starting point is 00:01:39 I don't know everybody that works here. In any case, him and Felicia have some sort of beef that they're going to hash out today on our version of the People's Court. First question is, Perry L., what do you think is more likely to bias me? My antipathy for a rival comedy club or my antipathy for someone who's pro-Hamas?
Starting point is 00:02:00 Oh, boy. Here we go. Let's go. All right, so you guys had a fight. Sure. And I don't know. So this is, I mean, you guys, I want to get into the specific. The fight was somehow you were tweeting some anti-Israel or pro-Palestinian, pro-Hamas. I made, pro-Palestine. Pro-Palestine.
Starting point is 00:02:20 Pro-Palestinian stuff. And you were somehow outraged by what he was tweeting. And somehow this turned into a thing where you were threatening not to give him any more spots anymore. No. No, that was not exact. It was on Instagram. I, what do you say,
Starting point is 00:02:38 re-shared something she posted, is what you would say. Okay, who wants to, why don't you tell the story? The defendant gets to... If I could could just really quickly since jeffrey had the had the uh i have the i have generosity to give us his time i will also note that his uh debut album prodigal little bitch went to number one on itunes i don't know how long i don't know everyone but but it is available on itunes and his new youtube special, The Only Funny White Man. I guess that's subjective,
Starting point is 00:03:07 but that's what it's called. That rules you out. Did you really have to interrupt the flow? Well, but I just feel that because anybody that donates their time should get a plug. I like that. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:03:19 Before I forgot, I just thought it was important. Go ahead. Can you get Dan a pencil for the next episode so if something pops into his mind, he has another alternative to remember? That's so funny.
Starting point is 00:03:31 Dan, here are the tweets. So I'm going to let you... Oh, those are the messages. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you can go first. You tell us how it looks from your side. I don't know if I've saved something, whatever Felicia posted.
Starting point is 00:03:43 I don't know if I've saved it somewhere. You want to go first? Sure. Basically, I was notified by someone that Jeffrey had reposted one of my posts, one of my stories. He took a picture of it and reposted it, two of them, and said, this is the booker of the club I work at. And then also reposted-
Starting point is 00:04:01 You just said the name of your club. I don't want to have a rival club here. It's okay we'll beep it out West Side Comedy Club this is the booker at West Side Comedy Club and then he reposted another one
Starting point is 00:04:14 saying you know I'm never going to work here again this club sucks he was like a litany of insults what was your post? and then we'll put it I found this. Yeah, so I posted
Starting point is 00:04:26 Douglas Murray was giving a speech. I think it was at a temple somewhere in London. And he was talking about how Hamas is equal to ISIS. And in London, when ISIS was there and you were pro-ISIS,
Starting point is 00:04:41 you were kicked out. And his philosophy was, you know, if you're Hamas and you're not a citizen, you should get kicked out. What do you mean? If you're pro-ISIS politically, they kick you out of London? England, yeah. It was like, yeah. To deport you? Yeah, basically, if you're not a citizen, yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:58 It was ISIS, back in ISIS. Supporting a terrorist group. Yeah, if you support a terrorist group and you're not a citizen, you can be deported. That's what happened back then. And he was just kind of saying it. And I just thought it was funny. And I reposted it. You're the booker of a comedy club, right?
Starting point is 00:05:13 Yeah. And I'm a comedian also. So I reposted it. I said, ha ha. I was like, this is the funniest thing yet. Let's deport them all. And in retrospect, I understand how it could have been misconstrued. Wait, so you don't agree with Douglas Murray?
Starting point is 00:05:28 No, I agree that if people are not citizens and are arguing with your government and causing mayhem, just like the people on January 6th in the United States did and they're being arrested, you know, they should be. It's the mayhem, but not the belief. Not the belief, no. And he interpreted it as, I was saying, let's get rid of all the Muslims, which is, of course, not what I'm thinking.
Starting point is 00:05:56 Just some of the Muslims. Hamas, Hamas supporters. Yeah, so that's basically what happened. And then I reached out to him to explain to him Come on, supporters. Yeah, so that's basically what happened. And then I reached out to him to explain to him what I was thinking and said, I'm sorry you misinterpreted. I could understand how it could be misinterpreted. That's not what I meant. And he wrote back to me, don't be a racist and a coward.
Starting point is 00:06:19 Bye. Good line. Yeah. Well, now you were very – so let me show you what I'm saying. You posted something on Instagram. He reposted it and made a comment on it. And the comment was... I don't actually have what I wrote. I just...
Starting point is 00:06:34 Oh, actually, I do. Okay. There was also another video she shared about a guy saying the Quran is a book of war and has no scriptures of peace and stuff, which you could argue is very Islamophobic. Well, it's actually true. Well, I actually brought it with me.
Starting point is 00:06:50 So the verse... The verse that he's talking about, this guy was specifically talking about a specific verse, verse 47. Verse 47. And it says, well, listen, you could get into details, but this verse
Starting point is 00:07:06 literally says, when you meet those who disbelieve, strike their necks until you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds and either favor afterwards or ransom until the war lays down its burdens. Okay, but of course, the Torah has many verses.
Starting point is 00:07:21 Of course, of course. But we're not sharing that the Torah has no verses. People can. Hold on. So those were the two. Bailiff. So those are the two Instagram. That's funny.
Starting point is 00:07:32 And then you commented what? I wrote, I said, I'll just read it. Why not? Let's just do exactly what I wrote. And just like that, I'll never perform at West Side Comedy Club again. It's that easy, folks. That's what I wrote. And I also said, here's the booker for West Side Comedy Club. I said's that easy, folks. That's what I wrote. And I also said
Starting point is 00:07:45 here's the booker for Westside Comedy Club. I said that as well. Oh, you said here's the booker and therefore you would never. Is that not right? That's why I wrote on Instagram. That's not the text. Yeah, you can read the text. No, I can read what he wrote on Instagram. I have it here. He wrote... Oh, there was a longer one. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:01 And just like that, I'll never perform there again. It's that easy, folks. I'll miss having to walk through a yuppie taco spot and beg the confused staff to show me where the unmarked club entrance is and then perform for some of the dumbest tourists to ever walk this earth i stand by all of that well dumb ouch and let's just and i'll just stand by the fact that the last time he's been at my club was over two years ago and then i only had him there once. That is true. I don't know if you're saying that because you have sour grapes or because you really are upset about what I said.
Starting point is 00:08:32 Well, I don't have sour grapes. And then when he did that, did you start getting attacked? Yes, I did. I got multiple attacks. Death threats? I don't know if they were death threats, but nasty attacks. Everybody gets death threats.
Starting point is 00:08:46 Yeah, nasty attacks. And also, it was sent to the corporate offices of my company, and I don't know who sent it, but they also notified me about it. But if you're going to post things publicly. Yeah, well, we're owned by a big corporation. It's a big restaurant upstairs, and that's a corporate restaurant. They don't need that kind of PR. Maybe you shouldn't post that. It's a big restaurant upstairs and that's a corporate restaurant. Oh, yeah. They don't need that kind of bad PR.
Starting point is 00:09:07 Maybe you shouldn't post that the Quran is a book of war. All right. So, and then you were very upset about it. So then you, can I, all the cards are on the table here?
Starting point is 00:09:14 Yeah. Yeah. So then you texted me. Yes. And can I read what you wrote me or no? Sure. Maybe. Well, maybe not,
Starting point is 00:09:22 but that was between you and me. I could read it, but I'm not going to read it. But there's nothing terrible here, but now I'm thinking I should read it. But essentially, you brought my attention. It might sound, by not reading it, you might think it's worse than it was. She didn't call you any names.
Starting point is 00:09:38 This was after, by the way. I don't agree. I think he is funny, but anyway. I'm very funny. It says, you thought I would want to know and uh i of course i had no interest um so we have some interest because they're here yeah i would hope a little bit. It's like, what's his name again? Who is this guy? So,
Starting point is 00:10:07 well then, okay, you did carry it a bit far because it's, it's, I don't, I'm not bothered. Wait, she texted you for your,
Starting point is 00:10:14 I have to, there's no point in doing this if I'm not going to read it out loud. I don't, it will not hurt me. No, no, it's not going to hurt you.
Starting point is 00:10:18 She's going to be upset. Oh, okay. I mean, so after a few days later, you wrote me, disappointed to see Jeffrey on your lineup. Even UTA dropped Susan Sarandon.
Starting point is 00:10:32 He is harassing me and very pro-Palestinian. What are you going to do, Emoji? I don't know what that is. What are you going to do? So... Boredom. Oh, then you wrote, this one particular post was on the edge. I usually don't comment, but just repost.
Starting point is 00:10:46 But my other posts were no means racist. Clarify he attacked me. Just comment that I post DM me. We wouldn't be having this combo. It was on, on and on. And I had, I had, I had no interest because I don't see it the same way as you. And then you showed me some things of people attacking you. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:10 So it's not about him as a comedian and not being able to say what he wants to say. It's about him attacking a comedy club where it's a business and that I thought you as a business owner would want to know that if he's attacking me, why would he not attack Perrielle, who does the same things, and then attack your club? I don't think attacking is disagreeing. No. Well, so here's my question. Let's take it step by step. First of all, do you care what the political points of view are of the people who perform at your club or work at the club? No, I have all types of people performing at my club.
Starting point is 00:11:52 Right. So that because you wrote, you know, he's very pro-Palestinian as if that would like be. That was in the context of, yes, that was a misquote. But I was more saying that. And I think I said that there. It's not about the fact that he is pro-Palestinian, it's the fact that he's attacking our club and our institution and making it an unsafe place for us and our business. He's doing exactly what you're saying you shouldn't
Starting point is 00:12:16 do. You're saying you should let him do and say whatever he wants, but he's saying, I can't, and my club sucks because he can't. So he's doing exactly what you say you don't want to do. Let me read the long one. I think everybody's pro-Palestinian. Nobody's against Palestinians. She actually writes that. She says, facts are, he thinks I'm Islamophobic for reposting information defending Israel.
Starting point is 00:12:39 I am pro-Palestinian and not even so pro-Israel. I am pro-facts and pro-Jewish lives. He attacked me for my beliefs and pro-Jewish lives. He attacked me for my beliefs and worse yet, attacked my business. Below is an exchange with someone trying to defend me. The fact that he thinks all my posts are wildly Islamophobic is a red flag. But like you said,
Starting point is 00:12:58 you can't not put someone up for their beliefs. So yes, I said, um, your choice. Of course, I do believe everyone, including comedians needs to be held to a certain standard in life and at my club. But you, oh, you said, so that's contradictory.
Starting point is 00:13:09 He says, you do believe people need to be held to, I'll read it again. Your choice, of course, you say to me, but I do believe everyone, including comedians, needs to be held to a certain standard in life and at my club. But you can for their attacking others and especially a fellow comedy club. He doesn't care about me or my club, but you can for their attacking others. And especially a fellow comedy club. He doesn't care about me or my club. He wouldn't dare do that to the comedy seller because he cares about himself and his career and can help think also because I'm a woman. Ah, cause I'm a woman.
Starting point is 00:13:37 He felt empowered to do it. I just feel like as club owners, we should protect each other from the wrath of comedians. He shouldn't be allowed to post. Don't go to this club owners, we should protect each other from the wrath of comedians. He shouldn't be allowed to post, don't go to this club. She is Islamophobic. Just like you wouldn't not put him up because he's anti-Semitic.
Starting point is 00:13:55 Again, your choice. I don't put anti-Semites on my stage. Believe me, you do. I also reached out to him to explain myself I can list you a few myself and he further insulted me
Starting point is 00:14:08 unfortunately my family is all here and cannot come down but happy to talk at some point oh I had invited you to come down and talk personally
Starting point is 00:14:14 I was going to try to counsel you to let it go honestly this was very upsetting to me after he posted this I and the club was attacked
Starting point is 00:14:21 by a ton of other very radical people he obviously has that following. It has died down, but I believe his actions should have consequences. He will not work at Westside ever again. His words, perhaps he should not work then at any club ever again. Now, this is, Felicia, this is, that's not right.
Starting point is 00:14:41 I was angry. You were angry. That's not right. I was angry. That's un-American. Right. I accept that you can tell by the way i wrote it that it was a very stream of conscious angry kind of rant and not something that was well thought through yeah so okay but you also apologized didn't you didn't
Starting point is 00:14:59 that you apologize well i reached out listen kind of fucked up like Like, I understand why. I mean, I don't know. Like, I'm just getting all this information. I don't have that text. I don't remember what you said exactly, honestly. Oh, I do. There's probably some apology. Yeah, read it. I'd love to hear it, honestly.
Starting point is 00:15:13 I would love to. There's probably some apology in there, but I don't. Listen, you know, no one's perfect. People make mistakes. And I'm the first person to admit it. I think there's a Koran verse, actually, that says that. Yeah. There probably is.
Starting point is 00:15:24 There probably is. They got a few. I basically said, let's see, I'd appreciate if you would take it down, and it wasn't a dig at any race or religion, but was agreeing with the guy who said, if you're not a legal citizen and you fight the law or government, you should leave.
Starting point is 00:15:41 I didn't state a race or religion, but understood how it could be misconstrued. So I took it down. And he wrote, we both know what you meant posting that there was nothing to misconstrue. He's right. If you're going to be racist, don't be a coward too. You've been posting that anyone pro-Palestine should be fired and deported for a month straight now. Don't, don't back down now. Bye. And that, you know, more than anything else, what bothered me, like, I will accept responsibility for that one particular post. It was probably not clear or maybe in the best judgment, but by no stretch of the imagination
Starting point is 00:16:19 have I been posting for the past month pro-deport people. very pro palestine what do you mean by that like there were a lot of other posts leading well i've been reposting and by the way i don't post anything to my feed i repost what other people post and more often than not once or twice and it's actually the one post that you're referring to, the Koran one, a comedian reached out to me and said, this guy, blah, blah, blah, and sent me a whole long thing. And I said, oh my God, I'm so sorry. And I took it down and I reposted it and said, it was brought to my attention that this guy is blah, blah, blah, and I shouldn't have done that. There's a lot of misinformation going up. i take posts from people that i follow that i trust and i try to spread information which i think is what social media is all about and i think if
Starting point is 00:17:14 anything you know it's one to ten for how many pro-palestinian or anti-israel versus pro-israel i don't know how you want to call it anymore we're like outnumbered so if anything i don't Palestinian or anti-Israel versus pro-Israel, or I don't even know how you want to call it anymore. We're like outnumbered. So if anything, I don't think I should be suppressed for trying to spread the words from our side. There's like, TikTok is just like overflowing with Palestinian propaganda. Well, you said you were very pro-Palestine.
Starting point is 00:17:43 Yes. I think Noam asked what you meant by that. It means I think I would love for there to be a two-state solution and to have everyone living in peace in Israel and the region. How does posting a thing that says the Koran is a book of war achieve peace? Well, you know, I think the Kor Quran was written 3,000 years ago, as was the Bible, and it's not really relevant. And when you have verses in there that
Starting point is 00:18:09 say things like that, and you have fanatics like the jihadists or the Hamas who read that and take it literally, I think it's a problem. But Netanyahu quoted the Torah saying, kill Amalek, kill all of his sons. Well, you could post that. Go ahead. That's a canard.
Starting point is 00:18:25 That really is a canard. What does canard mean again? It's like a false, it sounds good, but it's not really. Equivalence or something? No, but look, I don't like the accusation of racism and anti-Semitism. Not that these things are never true. So for instance, Sam Harris did a long podcast where he talked, and he knows a lot about this stuff.
Starting point is 00:18:49 He talked a lot about the differences between the Quran versus the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament. And I don't even... I mean, can we agree that there are horrible things in both? No, but he distinguished them.
Starting point is 00:19:06 I don't want to get it wrong. But it was something like the fact that the Bible has a lot of contradictory verses that hold the bad interpretations in check, where the Quran actually speaks in his opinion with
Starting point is 00:19:21 a much more singular voice in justifying violence against the infidels. Now, there are a lot of violent persons in the crime. I won't deny that. Let me just say, now, I personally don't know and don't want to go on. I'm not countersigning that because I don't know personally, but I don't think Sam Harris is a bigot. I think he's saying something that he,
Starting point is 00:19:47 that he's arriving at through a scholarly approach and, you know, to criticize something, you know, and to answer it was saying you're, you're an Islamophobe, you're an anti-Semite, whatever it is,
Starting point is 00:20:02 this is, you know, it, it, it goes nowhere in my opinion. Like, but now having said that, I think you're right to intuit that she doesn't know what the hell she's talking about. She's just retweeting something that she read somewhere. Shouldn't do.
Starting point is 00:20:17 Which, you know, is what I try to always tell my wife. Like I tell her, do not retweet anything because you don't know what you're passing on. And I'll tell you this so you don't feel bad. I have some really high-end, by high-end I mean influential intellectual friends. Like me? Yeah. And they send me nonsense. They'll send me some, and I'll say, you can't really believe that's true.
Starting point is 00:20:39 And sure enough, we fact check it and it's bullshit. Joe Rogan saying you should drink snake tits, snake titty milk. No, worse than that. It's usually Trump saying something, actually. Sure. But, so, you know, there's no, I don't think there's anything to be gained by bashing the Quran
Starting point is 00:20:59 or I don't think there's much to be gained by engaging too much on social media in that way. I mean, I do some social media with some argumentation where I really put myself out there and I put the citations and the facts, and I want to debate. Nobody's getting that. What's that?
Starting point is 00:21:15 Nobody's getting that. That's the unfortunate thing. You got to have a good clicky title. Can I say something? I feel like as somebody who spends a lot of time on Instagram engaging in all of this everything you know is from instagram um i feel like it's never a good decision so counterproductive to like be having those kinds of conversations if anybody's actually interested in having like
Starting point is 00:21:42 a real conversation i would agree with that yeah it's probably not that's the only thing i would like i've been called kfc didn't change their name because they couldn't say chicken anymore so but you're basically saying though your social media can't change anyone's mind no that's not because that yeah because it totally can that's not what i'm saying at all yeah so be nice yeah but i mean i didn't say that that's not what i said i'm not saying it can't change anybody's minds at all. I mean, at all. I'm saying that those kinds of conversations are counterproductive because it's like, you're an Islamophobe.
Starting point is 00:22:13 No, you're an anti-Semite. And I've been called a homophobe who supports genocide. Now, you know, obviously that person, A, doesn't know me. You're not a homophobe. I mean, I've slept with way too many girls. And like, you're not actually interested in having a conversation. So I think the question is, is like, what's the goal here? If you post something fucked up and it sounds like you think that you did and wasn't fucked up.
Starting point is 00:22:45 It was, by the way't fucked up. It could be misinterpreted. I know this is off topic, but when you say sleep with women, when a guy says I sleep with a woman, we know precisely what that means. There's no ambiguity. When a girl says I slept with a woman,
Starting point is 00:23:01 you went down on her, you sucked her breast. I mean, very quickly. Where is this conversation going? I just thought if you have a quick. These types of conversations are not for girls. I'm sorry. If you have a quick answer, fine. If you don't have a quick answer, we can move on.
Starting point is 00:23:13 I mean, I do have a quick answer. But like you have FaceTime with me like so many hours of the week. And like now is the particular time. Well, you brought up sleeping with women. I just was. I mean, just because someone's called. I say we can get a quick answer. If not, we move on.
Starting point is 00:23:31 We're going to move on. Okay. Let me just, you know, so I guess the point. Let me just finish though. We thought you were finished. Let me just finish. And Jeffrey got upset. Talk in the mic.
Starting point is 00:23:45 I am talking in the mic. Jeffrey got upset, and I understand why. And you apologized, and he didn't accept that apology. I don't know what your history is. We barely knew each other. Where does it stand now? What is your current policy vis-a-vis Jeffrey Asmus working at Westside Comedy Club? I wouldn't work there.
Starting point is 00:24:05 It's fine. I'm done. Well, that wasn't the question. That's true. Why would you not work there? I just don't want to. I wouldn't want to work for someone who promotes stuff like that openly. I don't agree with it, and I don't want to be a part of it.
Starting point is 00:24:17 Well, she promotes stuff like that openly. Do you not want to work here? I have not. Wait, wait, wait. First of all, I don't. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What kind of stuff? Like, you're talking about what? You promote.... Wait, wait, wait. What kind of stuff?
Starting point is 00:24:27 You promote it. I think we promote the same. We post the same things. You're talking about one specific post that you then said that's not what you meant. I don't want to get anything twisted. He said for months I've been posting Islamophobic stuff. There was a lot. I wish
Starting point is 00:24:43 I would have screenshotted more, but those are the only two I've screenshotted. And I'm the only one, by the way, in the world. Have you reached out to anyone else and slammed them? Oh, absolutely, yeah. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah, of course. Feel better now? Yeah, I do.
Starting point is 00:24:55 Also, Perry L's. There were also many other comics that shared your thing. I was just the only one that tagged you in it. No, you didn't tag me, actually. I found out by, you didn't even have the, I blocked you, to be fair. Yeah, you blocked me and didn't even have the courage to tag me to let me know your thoughts i had to find out through someone else which by the way i have made countless connections
Starting point is 00:25:15 with people through my posts of people that have dm'd me that have disagreed with what i'm posting and i've learned a lot and they've learned a lot and I've had very constructive conversations about it. So I, you know, I view it as a way of learning. I put information out there. It could be wrong. I can't fact check everything. I try my best. And I will say that since this, if anything, I have stopped posting and I've stopped reposting.
Starting point is 00:25:42 Why? Well, because I felt. Corporate told us. Yeah. And I felt bullied. And that's why I had a reposting. Why? Well, because I felt... The boss's corporate told her to stop. Yeah, and I felt bullied. And that's why I had a problem with it. I felt bullied and I felt like he was threatening and threatening to me and threatening to my business. How did I threaten you in any of those words?
Starting point is 00:25:56 I don't think that's the right word. You put it out there to the world calling me an Islamophobe. I think that's pretty threatening. I didn't say the word Islamophobe on Instagram. Well, I didn't say the word Muslim or anything in my posts either. You didn't say Islamophobe. I think that's pretty threatening. I didn't say the word Islamophobe on Instagram. Well, I didn't say the word Muslim or anything in my post either. You knew exactly. Like you said to me, you knew exactly
Starting point is 00:26:11 what you were saying. You knew exactly what you were saying. You were like, this is the talent booker. You didn't have to, just like I didn't say it and you said to me, I didn't mean that. I'm not inciting violence or anything. Well, you did. I don't know. Why did you do that? I just thought
Starting point is 00:26:27 someone in power shouldn't be spreading stuff like that. And it was my, it's my choice. I probably should have just told people personally. I'll take that L.
Starting point is 00:26:36 I'm curious as to why when she was like, I fucked up, like that's not what I meant. You were like, fuck you. I just don't agree that that was,
Starting point is 00:26:44 I know that's what she meant. It's, that's fine, but just don't agree that that was I know that's what she meant. That's fine, but I don't, I think that's a disingenuous apology. Alright, well let's Bailiff? What? Let's get to the philosophical matter.
Starting point is 00:27:00 Do you believe that you should only work at the club of someone who has politics that you find acceptable? No, because that would be difficult to make a career then. But I am very niche. Like, are you aware of my politics? Are you aware of my... We probably don't agree, and that's fine.
Starting point is 00:27:19 Don't be against gay people. We actually agree on that. There we go. You can put that on record folks i it's the difference between believing it and post i think she's a little underselling how many posts she had there were probably i think that day you had 20 stories all in very similar veins uh it was a it was a large amount of shares uh i think if you can personal beliefs are fine i just don't want it if it's like the comedy seller itself was posting things i wouldn't i wouldn't like that but that's i totally i was posting it for my personal but you are like
Starting point is 00:27:56 known as the booker there i don't it's oh so and you're a comedian the booker is more powerful than the owner i don't think i i owner? I don't think I post... No one's accused me of posting... Well, actually, people have accused, but in general, I don't think I posted anything that you would think was Islamophobic or anything. Probably not. God forbid.
Starting point is 00:28:17 But you never know, because people make these decisions on their own. I'm just posting mainly... My main concern... I mean, I have a lot of concerns, I'm not going to say anything. I am distraught over the hostages. Distraught. Because, I mean, I look
Starting point is 00:28:31 at these girls, I have a 21-year-old daughter who looks like every single one of those girls. I mean, I'm going to cry just thinking about it. But if they don't look like them, their lives don't matter as much? No. Oh, stop. I'm just saying, personally, that's how I feel because I see them. Did you actually think that's what she meant?
Starting point is 00:28:51 Yeah. I mean, I think that's human nature. But no, it's like human nature. She meant that she sees her own child. Like when Obama said that he saw his own, when he saw Trayvon Martin, he said, that could be my son. I would hope we could see it in everyone.. I hope we can see it in everyone. I hope we can see it in everyone. It breaks my heart. And yes, does it
Starting point is 00:29:10 break my heart what's going on in Gaza? Of course. I don't want to see one person die. What if I have to? What if I have to? Here's the races in order. No, no, no. Seriously, though. Listen, one of my very close friends has a daughter who's half Muslim, Egyptian, and half Jewish.
Starting point is 00:29:30 And she says that when she looks at the—and she also has a young son. So she says, I have a teenage daughter, and when I look at the female hostages, I see my daughter. And when I see the little boys in Gaza, I see my son. That would be tough. But, like, don't make it mutually exclusive. daughter and when i see the little boys in gaza i see my son that would be tough um but like that's like don't make it mutually exclusive like you can feel sympathy and empathy for but both people who are being killed and tortured in this fucking horrific situation yeah for sure um okay because i think that both of those things can be true at once. And they are. Unfortunately, it's mostly poor people that are the victims of a war led by rich people.
Starting point is 00:30:09 Most of history is. I'm kidding. So it seems to me you draw the line that would you regard as racism, homophobia, Islamophobia. If an owner or a booker engages in what you regard as hatred, then you draw the line and say, I will not work at that club. Depends on who. If they hate Jews, it's okay. No, I'm just kidding. If they hate Mormons, I'm into that, actually.
Starting point is 00:30:32 I think that's okay. What do you mean exactly by that? I'm saying you didn't want to work at, you don't want to work at Westside because of Felicia's views. Sure. So you draw the line at Islamophobia, I assume at homophobia i assume at
Starting point is 00:30:46 racism is is that i can't just clarify that is perceived well okay you draw the line would you perceive and as he doesn't know my views okay fine is that fair to say if no one posted something um that you regarded as islamophobic would you then see it would have to i mean again it was like tens and dozens of posts it was we're really focusing on the two we shared but there were many so it would have to be a if it was a continual period of things yes that would that would bother me yeah no i like one or i posted things we've all posted one or two bad things but it's a it was a continual pretty. I feel, I feel like it's my responsibility to get the word out there because we're outnumbered.
Starting point is 00:31:29 And if I'm not posting and a lot, there are a lot of people that are silenced and afraid because of things that happened to me, then they're not doing it. I listened to a podcast of a guy who started to speak out and he said his downloads of his podcast decreased by hundreds of thousands just because he was supporting Israel. doing it. I listened to a podcast of a guy who started to speak out and he said his downloads of his podcast decreased by hundreds of thousands just because he was supporting Israel. And we're outnumbered. And I feel a moral obligation to spread the word. And if you think that's Islamophobic,
Starting point is 00:31:57 I can't argue with you. If the word you're spreading is Islamophobic, then that would be the definition. Right. So what do you view? Okay, we have, what else would I be posting that would be Islamophobic? Okay? There's a lot of higher people who are pro-Palestine. There's a lot of that. I would say something. First of all, a couple things I would say. First of all, I would just tell you that I think
Starting point is 00:32:16 you should be a big bright line. You have to just, you should just never bring your position of power, as it were, over the people working under you or working for you or that you're paying. You're talking to Felicia now. You should just never bring that power to bear in any way that regards something that bothers you personally. That's just, that should be your bright line. And you just have to say to yourself, none of my business, what other people think or believe.
Starting point is 00:32:56 I have so many different employees. I have Arabic employees. I don't know precisely what they think, but I can imagine that they're probably pretty sympathetic to, I don't want to say they're sympathetic to Hamas, but they could be. And I don't care. It's like, I'm not even going to get into that because that way lies ruined. It's just ridiculous. And I wouldn't tweet out anything like about, you know, Islam because I wouldn't want to insult them. Having said that, that's not the only reason.
Starting point is 00:33:34 I also don't have any particular knowledge to tweet out about it. But assuming there was something I wanted to say, I would still forbear because I wouldn't want to insult them. I don't want them to have to go through that. Like they have to work there. They may not have his freedom to go work somewhere else. And I don't want them to have to go through that. Like they have to work there. They may not have his freedom to go work somewhere else. And I don't want them to have to deal with that. So that's what I think you should do. Having said that, when you are,
Starting point is 00:33:56 having said all that, when you're commenting on the actions of a political entity that justifies everything that it does in terms of religious commandments, in terms of the Quran. That's, you know, everything about Hamas is Islam. But Hamas is not Palestine. They are different.
Starting point is 00:34:18 No, no, but the war is with Hamas. But most of the people dying are not. But the war, well, but the war... Do you know that for a fact? It's about 65% they've done so. Nobody knows. I'm sure that number goes up and down depending on how things are doing in Gaza.
Starting point is 00:34:41 Sure, I'll give it a... So I heard a poll that apparently support in Gaza is going down for Hamas, but it's going up on the West Bank, which is probably because they're dying in Gaza and the West Bank is like, you know. Sure. But nevertheless, when you're fighting an organization which justifies everything it does with religion. But doesn't Israel do that as well?
Starting point is 00:35:04 No. Israel doesn't do it at all. Zero. Zionism is pretty based on the Torah. No. No. No. The idea of no verses are ever in, I mean, Netanyahu quotes verses all the time. Well, no. Netanyahu, we can get into the Amalek thing for a second,
Starting point is 00:35:20 but let's leave the points out. No, no, you don't have to pause. When they are fighting a religious war and justifying religious ways, there has to be some latitude to criticize that and make comments about that without them being called Islamophobic. I mean, it's a tough thing. As far as Israel, the founders of the Jewish state were not religious at all. Herzl, the guy who invented Zionism, came up with it, actually first considered mass conversion to Christianity. I don't even think he'd been bar mitzvahed. He was not religious at all.
Starting point is 00:35:54 This was just a practical solution to the problem of constant murder of the Jews. And said, let's return to our traditional land and join our existing... A tradition based on religion. No, based on historic... If you go to Israel... Because of religion. It's not because of religion. This is 100% wrong.
Starting point is 00:36:18 If you go to Israel and go to archaeological digs, they dig up Jewish... Okay, yeah. Not religious artifacts. Jewish people. But they're Jewish because dig up Jewish artifacts. Not religious artifacts. Jewish people. But they're Jewish because of the Jewish religion. No, they're Jewish because they're Jewish people. When I do my 23andMe
Starting point is 00:36:33 and it comes back Jewish, it's not because it understands what I believe in. No Catholic... There is a connection, though, between the two. The Jewish people have their religion. Yeah. Not 100%. But the connection... The Jewish people have their religion. Yeah, not 100%. But the connection— The secular state is the point, right?
Starting point is 00:36:48 But it's the Jewish people, and they've been there continuously, you know, in greater and smaller numbers, long before the Arabs were there. And, you know, whether you think their connection had expired or they had no right to go back or they had a right to go back but not do it in the way that they did it. And there's a million stories you could tell about that thing. But Israel does not justify its war against Hamas now in religious terms. This is self-defense. This is, we pulled out of Gaza
Starting point is 00:37:20 and we can go through the whole thing. Blockaded it though. Well, rockets started coming. Sure, yeah. Both sides. But we can go through the whole thing. Blockaded it, though. Well, rockets started coming. Sure, yeah. Both sides. But we, no, not both sides. And we tried to make peace at various times, including, I just read about it,
Starting point is 00:37:34 including with Obama. And there's all sorts of stories. I mean, what people like you don't understand is that the Israeli point of view on this is not the mirror image of the Arabic point of view. There was just an interview two days ago with the leader of Hamas. He was talking about,
Starting point is 00:37:51 we want the land from the river to the sea. Sure, they can pull back to the 67 borders, but then we will just continue our battle from then. Where Israel, as you probably know, didn't even have, it's called the 67 borders because before that, Israel didn't have that land, and Israel was fine without having that land.
Starting point is 00:38:11 Israel took that land because they were attacked. The land that they're trying to get back was the land that they were given in 1948. Who's trying to get back? That Hamas is trying to get back. Yeah, it's all the land they're trying to recapture right now. They're trying to recapture all of Israel, but that's besides the fact. The land that they're trying to recapture now is land that they were given in 1948.
Starting point is 00:38:31 Had they not attacked, if there was not the War of Independence, all the land they're fighting for now would be theirs, including Jerusalem, which was a different, like separate country. If you compare it for a second, even though it's not exact, but it is, I think, brings a point. If you compare it to the battle between Egypt and Israel. In the what? Sinai or 6th day or Yom Kippur? Up until there was peace. Okay. Egypt attacked Israel in 48, Egypt attacked Israel in 67, or actually got into war with Israel in 67. Egypt was always an enemy of Israel, always sworn to Israel's destruction.
Starting point is 00:39:05 Egypt never claimed this was Egyptian land. Israel never had any designs on Egypt. Israel's only desire was to have peace, to be left alone by Egypt. Israel's desire in 48
Starting point is 00:39:20 after the partition was to have the partition and move on from there. There's never been a time... Now, it's true, there is a small segment now, growing, unfortunately, of religious fanatics on the West Bank who would like to keep this land for biblical reasons. But as of yet, that's not a critical mass or even closer critical mass of Israelis. I'm quite confident if a Palestinian leader came on TV tomorrow night and said listen
Starting point is 00:39:47 we want peace with Israel we want another child should never die we're going to come to negotiate along the lines of what we almost made a deal in 2007 whatever it is 80% plus of the Israeli people
Starting point is 00:40:03 would be fantastic. That'd be great. They're not. Let's put it the other way. If Israel wanted to take over the West Bank in Gaza, they could. Well, they're trying pretty hard in Gaza. No, they left Gaza. But right now, I mean, like right now.
Starting point is 00:40:19 If you're trying to say that Israel wanted this land all along, then why did they leave it? If you want to say they want the West Bank all along, why? Well, the settlements are great. But the settlements are over 40 years. They could have taken it and annexed it in June of 67. But there was global political reasons they didn't, I'm sure. Much more now than there were then.
Starting point is 00:40:39 Because they wanted peace. That's why they did it. Yeah, they immediately tried to use it as leverage to give it back. I mean, there is a widely recognized thing of it was land for peace. Like, they left and the idea was, and the blockade didn't happen in 2005 until the rockets started coming. When 2007. There's another thing. Wait, wait.
Starting point is 00:41:01 It was because of the Intifada. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and then there were all those suicide bombs, da, da, da. I mean, the whole history, whatever. But putting people in a cage isn't necessarily going to make them like you. Well, okay. Well, what choices do they have? A cage is your word, but I'm saying, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:41:16 Yeah, that's my word. It's very easy to cast aspersions. And the truth is, I'm open to any, very open to any smart person who says, listen, this is not a good policy. They could do it this way or that way because I want the minimum
Starting point is 00:41:31 of suffering, of course. Yeah, I agree. Both because it's suffering and because it's better PR and better politically. The bottom line is, you know, getting back to this situation.
Starting point is 00:41:40 I think you should go work at her club again. That's the conclusion. I think if you can't think if you can't find it in your heart to work that club, then you really should shut up about what you want Israel
Starting point is 00:41:52 to do vis-a-vis Hamas, all right? Okay. There's a solution. There's a compromise there. If you can't tolerate her, you're going to fuck yourself about telling the Jews
Starting point is 00:42:00 what they should tolerate. I just think that what I learned, you know, listen, social media... You're going to Rodney's. Yeah. Social media go. What I learned, you know, listen, social media is bad. I mean, I remember when I posted about my dog dying and I posted all these beautiful pictures about my dog and I posted the most sad thing and all the comments were, oh my
Starting point is 00:42:17 God, that dog's so cute. Where'd you get it? What kind of dog? People don't read. People don't, they just look and they respond. And so it's a very bad forum, as you were saying, to try to get your message across. But I will say, I think shutting someone down
Starting point is 00:42:32 and not wanting to talk to me about it and have a conversation about it and hear my point of view, because I do not believe I am Islamophobic. I am, I, my heart and my heart. And to have you think that I am, not only disturbs me, it's just not true. And I think it's a good way to
Starting point is 00:42:54 open the avenues of conversation with someone so that we can better understand. There's obviously miscommunication. Obviously the way you think, I can understand why you think some of my posts are Islamophobic. This is why I think you're unfair. I'm basically on your side in this, much more than her.
Starting point is 00:43:10 In other words, I think that... Because I'm the competitive club. I was disturbed by what Felicia did. And I basically told her so. But if she were an Arabic club owner and— If they posted death to the Jews, I would not work that club.
Starting point is 00:43:33 She didn't post death. No, but something of that ilk. But if she said that, essentially what you're saying now, that Israel is—the Jewish religion teaches them to want blah, blah, blah. You know, you would not, because you're sympathetic to one side and not the other, you're going to hold it to that standard as opposed to the other. And my advice really to both of you is
Starting point is 00:43:54 you got to have a thick skin about this stuff. It's literally what makes America work. You just have to suck it up and maybe argue about it, whatever it is. You don't need to constantly escalate this stuff. It's not the end of the world. I don't like what you said. It's fucked up. And then you go to your
Starting point is 00:44:14 spot and you still give him his spot because you should not bring the two things together because it's not fair. It's not fair. It's not about his beliefs. It's not about his beliefs, though, or what he feels. He disparages a club in public. He threatened me
Starting point is 00:44:30 as a... There was no threatening. We've got to choose our words. How did he threaten you? He was threatening me and basically calling me an Islamophobe. But how did he threaten you? By the way, it was on my personal comedian page that has nothing about West Side Comedy Club on it. How did he threaten you? By the way, it was on my personal comedian page
Starting point is 00:44:45 that has nothing about West Side Comedy Club on it. How did he threaten you? Yeah, there's no threat going on. He said, well, how did I say I was Islamophobic? He's insinuating. Are you saying by calling you Islamophobic, he put you in a dangerous situation? Yes.
Starting point is 00:44:58 But that's not a threat. Well, people were threatening me as a result of it. I don't think that's... You can't use the word threat. I don't think that's the right word to use. No. I don't think that's... You can't use the word threat. I don't think that's the right word to use. No, I don't think it's the right word, but I don't think it's ridiculous to say that if you paint somebody as an Islamophobe,
Starting point is 00:45:14 that it is a precarious situation to put them in. I would say don't post things that are Islamophobic. And by the way, I wouldn't have minded if he said it personally, and if he said this comedian is Islamophobic. And, you know, I don't like her point of view and blah, blah, blah. But to like cross over, to attack, you know, he attacked my business. He insulted it.
Starting point is 00:45:36 What do you say? That's the best part. I was a stooge of knowledge. You know, and that's what I had a problem with. Not as a political point of view or how he thought or his opinions. I had a problem with him attacking my, the... Saying the tourists were dumb. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:53 Yeah. I stand by that. Do you stand by that? I stand by that, yeah. That's not my experience at that club, but maybe my jokes are dumb. Jerry Seinfeld likes that club better than our club. What? Well, that's crazy. I think that the part is that I feel like if I fucked up and I apologized or I tried
Starting point is 00:46:12 to reach out and be like, I don't know. I mean, you're saying you think it was disingenuous. I don't. If it was actually a mistake, I would accept the apology. I don't even know. Don't even call it a mistake, but call it whatever you want to call it. I feel like if I reached my hand out to somebody and they were like, fuck you, I would be upset too. I understand being upset.
Starting point is 00:46:34 I don't get that. I'm admitting that I fucked up and you don't even want to have a conversation with me. I think you're allowed not to accept an apology if it doesn't come from conversation with me. I think you're allowed not to accept an apology if it doesn't come from a real place. Sure, you're allowed to do whatever you want. Of course, of course, yeah. I think being upset is fine. Is there any way we can have a rapprochement
Starting point is 00:46:55 between you two? I would not. Can you bring up a verse from the Quran that talks about forgiveness? Come on, bring one from Al-Baqarah, the second surah. Come on, let's go. Well, it might well be that you don't, you know, the club doesn't mean enough to you anyway for you to...
Starting point is 00:47:14 It's not nice. She obviously didn't mean it. So what do you want? I'm not going to apologize. I won't. I didn't ask you to apologize. I'm just saying let it go. I will say I shouldn't do these things publicly.
Starting point is 00:47:25 I will agree with that. I should keep it one-on-one. There, I'll take a lesson from this. There we go. Number one in the Quran. Be gracious with forgiveness. There we go. We have not created
Starting point is 00:47:35 the heavens and the earth and everything in between except for a purpose, and the hour is certain to come. So forgive graciously, Jeffrey. Good verse. Yes, and I do believe, by by the way to go back to the quran that it was a reward from reconciliation yeah and the muslim the religion is a very caring
Starting point is 00:47:52 and kind one and i think uh in no stretch of their imagination did i want to infer that but if interpreted i don't know how else you could interpret that post, but yeah. Well, the people... Hamas is taking those... Listen, you can interpret the Quran, you can interpret the Bible as interpreted in a lot of different ways by a lot of different people. I think it's sad that a lot of people actually...
Starting point is 00:48:17 The fact that someone posted it... I didn't even post it. I just reposted it. But the fact that someone else thinks that, I think it's terrible. And it's because... The thing that Felicia posted someone else thinks that, I think it's terrible. And it's because... The thing that Felicia posted with approval. Yeah, but you posted it with approval. I didn't post it with approval. Just because I repost it doesn't mean I posted it with approval.
Starting point is 00:48:33 I'm spreading... No! That is not true. A lot of times I repost things and I ask, is this true or what do you think? But you did it. I mean, I have it right here. I don't remember what I did with the crowd. You didn't say anything. I usually don't.
Starting point is 00:48:47 Well, Blish, I think you should own the fact that if only out of anger and frustration, maybe sadness, you did post something basically saying that you felt that Islam is a religion which breaches hatred. No, I do not believe that. I 100% do not believe that. All right. Well, that's fine. She doesn not believe that. I 100% do not believe that. All right, well, that's fine. She doesn't believe it.
Starting point is 00:49:06 I don't. Do I believe there are portions in it that are contributing to hatred? Yes, but I 100% do not believe that. Good. Well, the fact is none of us really are versed enough in the Koran to make an overall judgment
Starting point is 00:49:20 about what the Koran says. I think it is, like any religious book. It has violent parts, I would say. No more, no less. I know too many religious Muslims who are not hateful for me. Muslims don't even all believe in the Quran. Most people aren't religious.
Starting point is 00:49:38 Or if they're religious Muslims who are not hateful. So obviously this is not the way it is not part and. Yeah, of course. So obviously this is not the way, it is not part and parcel of the Islamic religion. For sure. At the same time, there seems to be a significant number
Starting point is 00:49:55 who interpret the religion in the way that she's referring to it. And by the way, this is not unique to the problem with Israel. What did Sam Harris say? Like 5,000 terrorist attacks within the Middle East over the last 20 years? Like, you know, Muslim on Muslim.
Starting point is 00:50:10 Right, yeah. In the name of... So radical Islam, just like radical Christianity at one time. Just like the IRA. Right, just like radical anything. Yeah, radical Christian groups in America bombing abortion clinics. Well, I'm talking about the crusades and stuff.
Starting point is 00:50:25 Oh, the crusades. Radical Islam is a problem on the world stage right now. And if it's 10% of the Muslims, that's a very big problem. I think, unfortunately, radical movements tend to be, when people are poor and impoverished, they seek hope and they find hope in radical movements. No, no, no. It's not poor movements.
Starting point is 00:50:44 Can I just read something? Bin Laden himself was. Bin Laden was a rich kid, but he got poor people. And as are the leaders of Hamas. The leaders of Hamas. The leaders are always rich. Who are sitting in fucking Qatar, like, while the Palestinian people are suffering. By the way, by the way, no.
Starting point is 00:50:59 And by the way, South Africa had, you know, during the part, had very little violence. Very little violence. During what? In their struggle to end apartheid. There was violence, but I don't know. Very little. Not on the level of Israel. A few dozen.
Starting point is 00:51:15 Very, very little. I don't know enough about that. And our own history of civil rights in this country had very little violence. There was violence, but yeah that you can't it was not it's not at the same level no there weren't but these are like armies fighting yeah can i can i read something that i cut out and i think it's very telling it said he banged the table with his fist and declared that a government which indulged in massacres and
Starting point is 00:51:39 inhuman persecution on religious grounds was not to be trusted, that such a government was a blot upon civilization and cannot last long, for it carried within itself the seeds of destruction. That's Jeffrey? No. Yeah, that's pretty eloquent. That's from his special. I was like, wow, yeah, it's not a very funny special.
Starting point is 00:51:58 So what's fascinating about that quote, did you pay attention to it? It is not talking about the Israeli conflict. It is talking about the pogroms in Russia. So this is something that is... Where is that from? It was from an excerpt from The Money Kings, Daniel Schulman. And it says so much about how it's like a continuing problem and any religious group that's trying to destroy is always... It says so much about how it's like a continuing problem,
Starting point is 00:52:28 and any religious group that's trying to destroy is always, it's just not, it's been going on for centuries. Well, sure, yeah. Conflict is. And I just, you know, and I will say to you outright, and this is what I was trying to say, and you didn't believe it as sincere, and I will say it to you now, sincerely,
Starting point is 00:52:46 that was not what I meant. it was seriously in my head i laughed i thought it was funny i reposted it i can't believe you even seriously think i believe that would be a viable situation it was it was like you know get rid of them all like haha you know it was like kind of like look if this were judge i just wish you just say you believed it I think it would be more if this were Judge Judy she'd tell you not to pee on her leg and tell you that it's raining
Starting point is 00:53:08 I don't believe Felicia's being completely honest I believe that at the time she wrote that and maybe was that a vangor
Starting point is 00:53:17 maybe it wasn't I literally I remember doing it I laughed she was hot at that time it was right after
Starting point is 00:53:22 October 7th I don't remember the exact date no it wasn't it was in November it was literally the way he said it. It was just like, they should all be expelled.
Starting point is 00:53:30 And I was like, would that be great? Just like a riddle ball. I don't know. I write a lot of jokes. I don't know what the joke is exactly there. Easy. Everybody take it easy. You know, well, comedy is in the eye of the beholder, so I won't judge your comedy if you don't judge mine.
Starting point is 00:53:49 I have a great comedian. I'm not worried. Yeah, well, I don't think calling women cunts are like... Well, let's not get into Jeffrey's comedy. Well, he just said I'm not funny. I did not say that. Yes, you did. Well, he said those posts weren't funny.
Starting point is 00:54:04 I said nothing about Muslims in there. Not one thing. Not worth them all.. Yes, you did. I said saying all the Muslims isn't funny. Well, he said those posts weren't funny. I said nothing about Muslims in there. Not one thing. Deport them all. See, there you go. Like, he says I'm insinuating when I say he's insinuating against the post he posted about me calling me an Islamophobe. It's okay for me to be insinuated, but you can't be insinuated again. Can we get a definitive ruling? That post insinuated that I was Islamophobic. If you don't think
Starting point is 00:54:25 saying deport them all and a guy saying deport all people who support Palestine, I don't know. It's kind of just... Did you listen to the speech? I did, unfortunately, many times. Noam, can we get a ruling, please? Oh, do we do a ruling at the time? Well, I don't know. This is Douglas Murray.
Starting point is 00:54:41 Normally we don't, but... Oh, wow. Listen, people have harsh views on this stuff. You're free to call it Islamophobia. Just like I'm sure you're tired of hearing Jews, and they mean it sincerely, labeling something as anti-semitic sure when you really don't feel it's anti-semitic you think that's and and it goes both ways which is why i always think it's just not helpful these labels are not that helpful although sometimes they have
Starting point is 00:55:19 to be used but for the most part you know i try to avoid them. I think that you guys, you know, I think it was wrong for you to, you shouldn't have retweeted or reposted that stuff because it's a little lowbrow. It's like these lowbrow memes. I think you alluded to it earlier, but why would like a Muslim comic who saw that want to perform i mean i would see how they would very easily not want to perform at the club if you're saying their holy scripture is i think that's i think that's true too but i agree with that i think i think it's low brow in the sense that this is not thought-provoking intellectual stuff this is kind of memes that go around and people like pile on and douglas murray well but some of the other stuff
Starting point is 00:56:07 and but but maybe even an excerpt with douglas murray but although he's he's he's not lowbrow he's an intellectual i'd have to look him up but um about him and you have a particular position and you have to consider your position when you express yourself in that way. Unfortunately, I think that's why a lot of people and a lot of Jews are not speaking up. By the way, I've been very outspoken, but I've tried to do it without I don't repost memes.
Starting point is 00:56:43 Stop shitting on memes all the time. All you do is shit on memes. Memes bring joy. Memes suck. Like, you're always like, Perrielle gets all her information from memes. There's nothing wrong with memes.
Starting point is 00:56:55 This I can get behind. I'm into that. Listen, you can post whatever you want, but she, she's a booker of a, of a comedy club in New York City. And,
Starting point is 00:57:04 you know, you should just probably not, not dip York City. And, you know, you should just probably not dip your finger. No, I sent you a comic that I know from the West Side Comedy Club I think would be good here. Is it pro-Israel? I don't know. But can I mention his name? No, please.
Starting point is 00:57:18 What are your thoughts on Adam Muller? I don't know who that is. Well, I think he's quite funny. I sent you a video of his. All right. There you go. I second I think he's quite funny. I sent you a video of his. All right. There you go. I second that. What's that?
Starting point is 00:57:28 Adam Muller? Is it Muller or Mueller? Muller. That's not a Jewish name? No, it's Adam Mueller. Adam Mueller. That one's German. Mueller Steen.
Starting point is 00:57:35 He actually is half Jewish, if that's any. But those are often the worst Jew haters. He's got a 50% more chance of getting passed here now. But in any case, yeah. It's the full Jews are the worst Jew haters. The half Jews sometimes cling to the... Cling to it more, man. Yeah, the side of the parent that they like.
Starting point is 00:58:00 But sometimes they're trying to prove... Sometimes they're trying to... Well, I guess it can go either way. Sometimes they're trying to prove that, you know, like a guy like Cap Weinberger Sometimes they're trying to prove it. You know, like a guy like Cap Weinberger. They're trying to prove that they're not Jewish at all. They go in the other direction. He wasn't Jewish, was he? He was half or a quarter, something like that.
Starting point is 00:58:12 Is he? I don't know. Can we do like one minute? You know what? Can I just say something? Because I'm just really conflicted here because you're telling me... I mean, I understand like maybe one or two posts were a poor judgment,
Starting point is 00:58:22 but I do not feel like I should have to silence myself because of my role or my position. No one's saying you have to. There's just consequences. And so, yes, so I made a mistake. Like, you know, people make mistakes. I'm human, okay? I was not well thought out. And I took it down.
Starting point is 00:58:41 You need to read The Godfather. But you're still clinging to it right now. No, I'm not still clinging. I mean, I you're still clinging to it right now. No, I'm not still clinging. I mean, I'm not still clinging to it. And I don't want to be told by someone, especially by, you know... Some snot-nosed comedian. Some snot-nosed little virgin.
Starting point is 00:58:55 Yeah, who doesn't really... Apparently doesn't really know a lot of the history and doesn't really... I mean, you pointed it out. And I could understand why he thinks a lot of things I posted were against his morals. But I feel like I have a responsibility to speak out, especially. No one's saying you can't.
Starting point is 00:59:15 You literally are allowed to. And I feel like maybe I had one or two, maybe a couple of posts that were in poor judgment. Felicia, you got mad. And we're speaking frankly here, right? Because I don't want to spoil my relationship with either of you. Yeah, I was mad. You got mad and you contacted me. And
Starting point is 00:59:33 to be honest, if I were him, I would be very angry about that. I didn't contact him until after he ditched me. You tried to enlist me in your campaign to his detriment. And he tried to enlist people to my detriment. Yes, yes, maybe.
Starting point is 00:59:57 Yes, yes, maybe. He posted it for the world to see. I didn't tell anyone to join or anything. I just said I will not perform. I don't think he organized a boycott of the club, but I'm just saying from my point of view. You don't think he organized a boycott of the club by posting that on his social media?
Starting point is 01:00:12 If he did, then he was wrong to do that too. I will say many other comics posted the same thing. It was not just me. There is a particular connotation of blacklisting. Well, he was blacklisting me. What usually goes for the people that do the hiring. Yeah, it's a particular connotation of blacklisting. Well, he was blacklisting me. Well, it usually goes for the people that do the hiring. Yeah, it's a power dynamic. Well, I never said I wouldn't hire him.
Starting point is 01:00:32 He said he's not going to work at my club. If we Jews who control the comedy clubs join forces to punish, as it were, the comedians who express their opinions in a pro-Palestinian, whatever way. This was not about his opinions. I think that would have... This was not about his opinions.
Starting point is 01:00:54 This was about him attacking the business. Okay, well... I didn't say his opinions. That's even worse, because if I had a problem with a comedian, they called my wife an ugly cunt, right? Good luck with that. I don't know if they know Juanita, but good fucking luck.
Starting point is 01:01:12 Would I call up Chris Mazzilli and say, listen, you shouldn't book Modi because he called my wife an ugly cunt? He's like, what are you bringing me into your nonsense for? If he threatened your club and you felt like you could be protecting other people. I think the word threat is being thrown on quite lightly. The word threat. I don't think I have mentioned that. I think that's the very wrong word to use.
Starting point is 01:01:34 I'm just saying, it began to escalate. And I think you were wrong to do that. That's not the end of the world to say you were wrong. You got mad. I get it. And that's that. That's what I I get it. And that's that. That's what I think about it. And I think that you probably also should just let things go.
Starting point is 01:01:51 I agree with that. I'll take that. I'll agree with that. But I think what I did. The nicest outcome, inshallah, would be that you guys patch it up and work together again. I mean, assuming. He's a good comedian. You have a good stage.
Starting point is 01:02:08 You want to work. Wait a second, though. You said you think what you did was right. You can admit that it's not nice to say, like, this club is garbage. It's not nice. Okay. But I agree with that. But I stand by doing it.
Starting point is 01:02:21 You don't always have to be nice. The name of the special is The Only Funny White Man. We had to go to church a couple the special is the only funny white man. We had to go to church a couple times a week when I was a kid and my daddy always told me, son, the only goal in life, go to church, get to heaven.
Starting point is 01:02:32 That's the only goal in life is to get to heaven. Because we all know there's a reward in heaven, right? And the reward is that your hot cousin ain't your cousin no more. And if you don't like this joke,
Starting point is 01:02:42 it's because you're from an ugly family. That's not my fault. If you're from an ugly family. That's not my fault. If you're from a hot family like mine, on the count of three, let's shout out that sexy little someone, you guys. Okay. A one, a two, a three.
Starting point is 01:02:55 Lizzie! That's not her name. My mom made me change it for this. Because Lizzie's married now and your little joke is ruining Thanksgiving. One can argue about, you know, both funny and white men are subjective terms. Man, too.
Starting point is 01:03:18 Yeah, we don't know. But I think he's definitely a white man. And Felicia also has a special. And he's funny. Is he the only funny white man? Felicia has a special. Yeah. Felicia has a special? What's your special, Felicia? Coming out February 20th. It's called Better Than Sex.
Starting point is 01:03:30 So do you know how they're recommending to teenagers now in college, kids in college? They should not have sex when they're drunk. I don't know about you, but I couldn't imagine being in college and having sex when I wasn't drunk. I can't even imagine it now.
Starting point is 01:03:49 Which might explain my drinking problem. Anyway, they suggested that you tell your son that if he happens to have sex with a girl when he's drunk to protect himself, he should take her out for coffee the next day. So we dropped our son off at college with a box of condoms and a Starbucks card yeah my sister why he's that jack she says you need to teach us
Starting point is 01:04:13 on that no means no and I'm like you're married no means no and yes means happy birthday better than sex is the name of the special cleansing yeah all right I day. Better than sex is the name of the special. I appreciate both you guys. I hope I didn't insult anybody. Thank you very much, everybody. I'm sorry we won't be seeing you anymore. Good luck with your career.

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