The Comedy Cellar: Live from the Table - Danny Cohen and Nikki Jax

Episode Date: October 30, 2020

Transgender politics, woke culture, pronouns and sex. Sound engineer, DJ and one of Noam's oldest and dearest friends, Nikki Jax joins us along with stand up comic and Cellar regular, Danny Cohen.  

You're listening to The Comedy Cellar, live from the Table, the official podcast of New York's world-famous comedy cellar. Coming at you on the Ridecast Podcast Network and on Sirius XM 99. Raw dog. This is Dan Natterman we have with us today. Noam Dorman, he's the owner of the world-famous comedy cellar. Hopefully, we'll be opening sometime before 2025.

Purell Ashenbrand, that's my new nickname for her, although her real name is Purell Ashenbrand. She is our producer and an on-air personality. It just kind of evolved in that direction. That was unplanned. Danny Cohen is with us. He is a comedy cellar regular. That is, when the comedy cellar is open, he's a regular.

And we'll be again. Danny Cohen, how are you? And we have coming up Nikki Jackson, who is the former manager of the Comedy Cellar, who used to be known as Michael Greer, but transitioned and is now Nikki Jackson. She'll be with us in a bit. Hello, everybody. Hello, hello. I want to talk about Borat, by the way, because I just saw the movie. My wife. Yeah. But first, Danny Cohen went to vote today, I believe. There's early voting in New York City. They sent me away. I waited in line for like an hour and 20 minutes.

I got there, and I was like, here's my name. And they took my name. They're like, wait, what's your address? I gave them my address. And I went with Jodi, who lives across the street from me. She was at the right place. I was at the wrong place. And we live across the street from each other.

I have to go to Quentin Road tomorrow. So I'm going to go tomorrow. So you're going to go tomorrow. And are you decided on who you're going to vote for? I'm undecided. I'm so undecided that I decided that I'm going to just vote independent. I, because I cannot make a choice that will sit in my heart.

Well, I can't, I can't make a decision. Well, then it seems to me you're just wasting your time. Stay in your apartment and, and chill out, you know, make a decision. Then it seems to me you're just wasting your time staying in your apartment and chill out. Read a book. I don't see the point.

I'll vote. You've got to go out. It's a duty. I've got to do it. But you're not doing any good one way or the other. Listen, if you were ready to vote, if you were ready to take the chance and vote and waste your vote, just have unprotected sex and stay home.

Unprotected sex. I'm saying it's like a risk budget. Don't waste your risk that you're going to take on standing in line to get COVID. Live it up if you're going to take some risk. You're taking, I hate to say it. I can't do it. You're taking the easy way out.

We have a choice of two people. I have so many friends that I love. I have so many friends I love on the right. I can't take it. I can't take it. You're taking the easy way out. You have a decision to make and a man makes a decision. I'm a loser. I'm a loser. No, I think it's good that you're voting.

No, it's okay. Give me a crown that says loser. If you had to vote for Biden or Trump and you absolutely had to vote for one or the other, can you say who you would vote for at this time? Trump. You would vote for Biden or Trump, and you absolutely had to vote for one or the other, can you say who you would vote for at this time? Trump. You would vote for Trump. Okay.

Wow. Why? You got balls admitting that. Because Trump, for sure, and I know he's going to win anyway. Trump is going to win, and I would vote for Trump. But I can't vote for Trump because I can't vote for Trump. Gay people don't vote for Trump. I could vote for Trump very easily, but I'm not going to vote for Trump because I can't vote for Trump. Gay people don't vote for Trump. I could vote for Trump very easily,

but I'm not going to vote for Trump. And I'm not going to vote for Biden. For sure. Not. Why? What's your problem with Biden? I'm not interested in what the Democratic Party has turned into. 10 years ago, it was a different story.

I'm sorry, but the Democratic Party today is not my party anymore. They lost me. I'm not. I'm a Zionist. I'm a but the Democratic Party today is not my party anymore they lost me I'm not I'm hardcore Zionist I'm I'm pro-jewish I did too much Jew hatred on the left for me too much too much too much about the gay hatred on the right you know what I can deal with the gay hatred I can't deal with the Jew hatred and the annihilation of Israel and and and and who was surrounded by Israel we're surrounded by enemies were surrounded by all these people that want us out it's a very serious situation for me I don't like it and the gay thing will be fine there's everyone had the gay brother in a gay

sign it's not gonna happen where if you vote for Trump all the gays are gonna be disappearing it's not gonna happen everyone had the gay brother a gay brother and a gay son. It's not going to happen where if you vote for Trump, all the gays are going to be disappearing. It's not going to happen. Everyone has a gay brother, a gay child, a gay mother, a gay father, a gay uncle, everyone in America. So the gays aren't going anywhere. We're fine. We're going to be okay. We have a strong gay...

Can I say something? Can I say something while Perrielle drives me up a fucking wall? Yeah. But it's good because she's a perfect representation of her people. First of all... People can't laugh wingers.

First of all, let's just be honest. What is the single most anti-gay ethnic group in America? I'll give you another hint. Why did the gay rights referendum a few years ago fail in California? Does anybody remember why?

I didn't know there was a gay rights referendum. Yeah, it was a gay marriage referendum in California, like, because of the black community. And I'm not faulting the black community i mean they're right i'm just saying like that there is there is um it was well known that the black community was very very slow to embrace gay rights that's why obama was such a trailblazer so number one number two i'll grant you that um right now there's like outspoken religious homosexuality, it lives on the Republican Party.

But, as I told Perry Elgis yesterday, but the libertarian right was responsible for gay marriage. I mean, Andrew Sullivan was a conservative and I mean, I don't know what he is now. But and the guy who argued the court before the Supreme Court was George Bush's attorney, and it was a liberal lawyer. But if you pick up, you know, the National Review or whatever are the, you know, the leading intellectual magazines of the right, you will not find one nasty word about gays to be found. But if you pick up the nation or anything on the left or whatever, it's anti-Israel all day long. We've talked about it. They've turned the Jews from indigenous people into colonialists.

I mean, there's no comparison, Perriell. It's so upsetting that I don't have that. It's so upsetting to me that then that's why I'm not a Democrat anymore. No, no.

But I'm so upset by it. That might be a good transition into what I really do want to hit before Nikki gets here is there is somebody who is also Jewish and definitely not voting for Donald Trump, and his name is Sacha Baron Cohen, and he just came out with a movie called, well, I actually don't know, it's like a long name.

What's the Borat subsequent movie, film, or something, whatever it is. The new Borat movie, let's just call it that in which of course he is very anti-Trump but Noam, did you see the movie? Yes, I saw the movie Mariel, did you see the movie? I did not see the movie There may be a spoiler or two

but we'll try to keep the spoilers out of the conversation The reason why I shut it off in the middle of the movie is the whole thing is spoiled the magic is gone the reason why I love it off in the middle of the movie is the whole thing is spoiled. The magic is gone. The reason why I love Borat personally, the first one, it was hilarious. He broke ground. It was the craziest exploitation.

Somebody's standing behind you, Dan. I think it's Jody Wasserman. Jody Wasserman. Okay. I thought the new Borat was... The old Borat was 14 years ago Which by the way scares the shit out of me Because I can't believe the time goes by that quickly

So I don't remember how funny it was I do think that the new Borat was very Very funny Noam do you concur? The new one? I thought it was alright We saw it already We saw Borat one big deal same thing

nothing fresh nothing new i i love the the tampon dance i wish she could have taken it a little further because i would have liked for her to pull down a dirty bloody tampon and then fling it around and throw it at somebody in the crowd that would have been for me satisfying but it was good it was good enough but the question look whether it's or not, is a discussion that's very subjective, but I have, and that everybody's having, but I have another discussion with regard to Borat that I'm interested in everybody's opinion. And that is this. First of all, does Sacha Baron Cohen, does he go too far, ethically speaking, when he goes up in front of a group of people, and I don't want to give too much away.

But for example, let me make an analogy. And this is basically what he did, assuming that it's not staged. Because I don't know how much of it was staged and how much of it were real pranks. Some of it has to be staged. But look, if somebody invited, we'll talk about Giuliani too. But if somebody invited me to do a comedy show in front of religious Christians, the YMCA, say for example, they said, it's the YMCA, it's a Christian group, so be appropriate. And I went up there and I did filthy material, you know, dirty material, sexual material in front of this group of this Christian group is that you know and I and it

was funny material but but they were horrified by it is that is am I doing something wrong am I doing something ethically inappropriate sure there might be uptight Christians and they're not that's not how I am but do I owe them some respect? And I believe that I do. And basically, this is what Sacha Baron Cohen, without wanting to sound too prudish, because I do think he's exceedingly funny. And I think he's one of the greats in the pantheon of comedy. But that's what he's doing. Unless, of course, this is staged.

But assuming it's not staged, and it is what we think it is, he's going up in front of people that don't expect and don't want this kind of thing. And he's doing it. Danny, what do you say? I think it's funny. It is funny, but would you do it? And should you do it? Would I do it? I would totally do it. If it was like a dare. Like if a friend of mine was in the green room and said, listen, Danny, it's an all Jewish audience. It's Christmas night. It's a Jewish Christmas show. They're all Hasidic.

Like the religious. Go out and do the most like crazy gay material. Just go crazy. I would say, you know, yeah, for a laugh, yeah, I would. I would do it. This is like steeped in like real history here I mean what's the difference between this and like the jerky boys and making prank phone calls I mean this is steeped in you know there's this he's not the first person you

can hang up on a prank phone you can prank hang up in a prank phone call you can walk out of a comedy show i suppose but when you're no and there was also that scene where danny was our head art referred to it where she's showing her crotch and bloody period blood to people that didn't come there for that again unless they were warned and we didn't see all that but assuming they they just came to this reception and they were supposed to do a traditional dance from their country. And next thing you know, she's pulling up her pants and showing her beave. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. It's a fine line. I kind of have to judge it on a case by case basis. I don't like when people are mocked. It did seem more and more that this had to be staged

because of things like the clarity of the vocal clarity of certain people who were speaking. I don't see how they could be that without being liked. There had to be some sort of production. Also,

I just remember the first one being funnier and Bruno being funnier. Yeah, but no, to my question, no, to my question, please. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Like the Giuliani thing has got the most press and I thought that was, I mean, I mean, it's a pox on both of them because Giuliani was so creepy, right?

On the other hand- He was creepy, but yeah? On the other hand, he was creepy. But on the other hand, they pretend that he was, she brings him into the bedroom. She's suggestively putting her hand near his crotch. She's taking out the lavalier, you know, from his clothing. He leans back on the bed, obviously to adjust his shirt. He's not playing with his dick like they tried to pretend and um and the thing is that even if he was i mean it's possible he was trying to adjust a boner

which which i think we've all done he wasn't adjusting a boner not at his age with his prostate the thing is that that um even if he was in there trying to get busy, as we say in my neighborhood, she was coming on to him. Like, he's a grown man. Like, he's not doing anything wrong. And moreover, there was nothing to indicate that he thought that she was underage. No. It was only when Borat barged into the room and said,

she's my 15-year-old daughter, that it was indicated that she was underage or she wasn't really underage, but that she was supposed to be underage. So yeah. So wait, so now this guy, Giuliani, who we all, you know, kind of thing has become sort of weird, creepy guy. But the thing is I've said many times that, you know, people who are hated almost never get a fair shake. It's one of the things I've learned running a business is that an employee who's not liked is hard to get, to make sure that everybody gives them a fair shake. It's one of the things I've learned running a business is that an employee who's not liked is hard to get to make sure that everybody gives them a fair shake. So,

but we have to give Giuliani a fair shake and imagine him as anybody that go, you know, has somebody, a hot chick comes up to him as being sexual and coming on to him, brings him to a bedroom and is a hidden camera. Imagine if they did that to a woman. Can you imagine the outrage of what they would say if a woman were treated to the same treatment as Giuliani was treated to? It's fucking outrageous. If it was a woman that people didn't like,

if it was Coney Barrett, then I don't know how outraged. Maybe. But the point is that it's wrong. That's just wrong. And I don't know why they can do it without him getting, I guess because he signs a release for the interview. There's something wrong and i don't know why they can do it without him getting i guess because he signs a release for the interview there's something wrong there something wrong

i don't know how on earth that is legal because it was a hidden camera was it not yeah i mean giuliani did not know i assume that there was a camera for it he has to sign he has to sign off for it right i guess he might have signed and not paid strict attention to what he was signing, which I've done, but I'm not Giuliani. But look, whenever I sign anything, I don't read it. There was five pages of shit to sign for a comedy-seller TV show. I didn't read it.

No. When you're someone like him, you don't... When somebody like him, yeah, puts everything through their lawyers, absolutely. But it's just unimaginable. I have more sympathy for the Ali g or the kind of thing when they think they're in an interview and they and they deal with ridiculous questions and and and sasha baron cohen miraculously gets them to say the n word or or whatever it is but that's that doesn't bother me as much because it's on the up and up in a sense they kind of know they're being you know so like but that's quite different than than putting a hidden camera in a sexual situation

and trying to get some and then they edit it it's it's not nice it's wrong i don't know about the giuliani thing so i can't speak to that but i mean aren't we being like a little bit prudish it's a honey it's a honey trap and uh i mean isn't this stuff usually judged by how funny it is? He's brilliant and a genius because he fucking pulls it off, and it's hysterical. He's brilliant and a genius without hurting people. Is he hurting people, really? He hurt Giuliani. Okay, I said I can't speak to the Giuliani thing.

I think he hurt someone. I mean, it depends. That's why I said I can't speak to the Giuliani thing. I think he heard some. I mean, depends. That's why I said you have to see it scene by scene. Some of it's mocking. It just wasn't that funny to me. I mean, that's a different criticism, though. I mean, in terms of- It affects it.

Like, when he had that This Is America, was that on HBO or something last, two years ago or something? I thought it was funny. I mean, it was hysterical to me. Now I can't remember what the difference was, but there was something different about it. I mean, are years ago or something? I thought it was funny. I mean, it was hysterical to me. Now I can't remember what the difference was, but there was something different about it. I mean, are we that scandalized

because of like a girl's pussy is being shown and then you're not expecting it? Like this country is like- If you're ruining somebody's evening, look again, I don't know exactly what happened, but if you're ruining somebody's evening, then yeah, I would say that that's, I mean, was it funny? I thought so no maybe he signed off on it finished he he probably his lawyer probably he had to sign off yeah because but the lawyer you know people don't

always read what they sign let me put it this way this is not good for the jews this is this is this is a sneaky jew sneakily putting papers in front of people sign here and it's just not it's it's uh it's not good for our people uh but is he hysterically funny sure do you hear how silly periel is if it's all about a woman's pussy or bloody but you don't you don't you don't show a bloody vagina at a, at a formal function for Christ's sake. It's not, I mean, there's a time and place. Nobody's saying a vagina is, we're not in the OBGYN here. You don't have to pull out your, your bloody, I mean, come on now.

Right. And these guys are like getting hand jobs under the table. Give me a break. I mean, under the table. Give me a break. Under the table? I don't know. I didn't see the movie. I'm just saying you don't get to pick and choose what you're so prudish about, you know? It's like, oh my God, suddenly this- I'm not prudish, Perrielle.

Excuse me, let me show you something, Perrielle. It's not a matter of me being prudish. It's a matter of me having respect. I wouldn't go up in front of an elderly group of people and whip out my cock. No, but the whole scene is built up. It's built up.

She eats the cupcake, then she swallows it. I understand. I understand it's built up, but the bottom line is... I didn't see it. The bottom line is this. If you go up in front of a group of people that aren't expecting this kind of thing and you do things that are going to put them ill at ease,

assuming, you know, then... I'm a fan. Dan, you get no respect. I'm not a fan of Borat Part 2 because I already saw all that in Part 1. You say what? Dan gets no respect because he must have

emailed me and Periel five times this week, please watch Borat for the show. And I watched the show. I watched it for Dan. And Periel who bitches and moans if I don't answer any emails on time to time, this was important to Dan and you didn't watch it.

And then you come in and you didn't watch it. All right. And then you, and then you come in and you're spouting off your nonsense with authority. But you didn't even watch it. This is the single thing that I have not done that was requested of me since we started this show. This is showbiz, baby. We get lists and lists that you just ignore and delete and don't read. And you have the audacity to call me out on one movie.

Yeah, because the viewers and the listeners suffer. They could have been treated to your informed ridiculous opinions. And instead they have to get your uninformed ridiculous opinion. It's a close cousin, but it's not as good. The informed ridiculous opinion gives me more things to latch on to. Also, to be fair in my defense, I just got this request, I believe, yesterday

or the day before. Oh no, I sent it. No, you didn't. But look, if you look at the text... I'm going to. I was excited. I was excited to see it i was really excited but you know anyway um can we talk about tony is anybody talking about tony bobolinsky or

no yeah well i have it on my list bobolinsky bombshell that's how i see i give a title to every one of my topics bobolinsky bombshell what do you think bobolinsky claims joe biden was in on hunter's business dealings. Has the media been trying to cover this up or were they rightfully prudent about the story's veracity? No. What do you think, Dan?

Um, well, I assume that the media, yeah, they, they have their, you know, they have their biases.

Um, but we, we got the information anyway. I don't know. No, I'm a, you're, you're more biases. But we got the information anyway. I don't know. Noam, you're more in tune with this sort of thing. I'm better off talking about period blood. Full disclosure, I know Tony Bobulinski. I had dinner with him one time. And I've seen him at a social event.

But I don't know him like pals or anything far from it. I'm not even sure he'd recognize me on the street. But I know him enough to say as a personal opinion that it's almost ridiculous to me for anybody to think that he's lying. I mean, he was like a very down to earth, normal, serious businessman with a lot of money who, you know, who, the reason I know is because he helped introduce me to somebody who had helped me open up a cell in Las Vegas. So like for anybody listening who thinks he's some sort of russian you know disinformation pawn or something i mean unless he he pulled the wool over on me uh in 2014 when i met him

um i would say no they they banned the story on twitter they said it was russian disinformation clearly not russian disinformation um i think the emails are clearly true what they show is not any clear law breaking but just the fact that joe was involved in basically everything hunter was doing there's a quote there one of the emails where hunter says to his i think that his wife or his or his daughter is complaining saying you know at least i don't make you pay half of your salary to pop, half your salary to me the way pop does to me. So there's, and then there's also a thing where they have a business deal

and they say we're leaving 10% aside for the big man. And the big man is Joe Biden. And there's another thing we talked about, my chairman and it's pretty clear that the chairman- If the big man is not Joe Biden, then they should say who the big man is. Well, that's right. And the Bidens have never, not Hunter not joe biden not any of those other

guys who are in these emails not one of them has said no you're you got it wrong not only that if this is not true at this point i mean i don't know why the fbi isn't locking tony bobolinsky up in handcuffs i mean if this is russian disinformation and he's lying and he's now he's lying to the fbi and now i mean, it's, it's not plausible anymore. So how do they not cover it? They covered Julie Swetnick who claimed that Kavanaugh did the train on her or something, you know, they cover everything without, I mean, the Cushais, the field dossier. Yeah. The Covington Catholic school thing they cover. They cover everything and all of a sudden they can't now, do I think it's a reason

to vote against Joe Biden? No, but we know we did impeach the president because he was trying to look into the idea that Hunter Biden was that Joe Biden and Hunter Biden were

corrupt. I don't think we would have impeached them so easily if we had all these emails back then. Maybe I'm wrong. It seemed like at this point, be like, yeah, of course Trump wanted to look into that. No, and what do you think Joe Biden should do? Just continue to kind of ignore it

the way he's been doing or come clean and say, yes, all right, I'm the big man. But, you know, I don't know. I mean, what's his best strategy? Politically, I guess it's working for him to just stonewall this issue. I tell you, though, it angers me so much, not him so much, but the way the press and social media are censoring all this, that it does bring out the urge to vote for the other guy. It really is like, it's like, if you're going to really, this is what you take me for. Fuck you. Let me teach you a lesson. You know, that's, that's the urge it brings out. And I know that's

probably not good for the country. And I'm just saying it's, there's something really wrong with the fact that they don't report this report it and if you can prove you know put everybody on record if you can prove it's fake all the better you know do the country a service but you can't pretend it's not happening there's emails you have there's laptops there's i mean it's just it's crazy biden clearly had he tony babalinski was on there saying i met with joe biden here on this date i met with met with Joe Biden here on this date. I met with Joe Biden here on this date. They took me to the front of the table.

Then I walked him out to the car. Then his brother said, I mean, he said, you could check that. There's probably pictures of it. I mean, he's being so specific. Why don't they just check it out? Why don't they ask Biden questions? Why don't they say, hey, Joe, did you or did you not meet with Tony Bobulinski? Just ask him.

Just fucking ask him, right? Hold out another week. They're going to hold out another week. Okay. And I'm in touch with really smart people about this, like people who work at TV networks and stuff like that, and they're all like Stepford wives. They're all repeating the same party line,

and it's unbelievable what we've come to. And now, you know, it's related. It came out that the guy Anonymous, you know, Anonymous. Hey, Nikki. Anonymous, the one who wrote the editorial in the Times. You guys following me? Yeah. I didn't read that editorial.

Well, that was a big editorial by Anonymous saying how there's a resistance within the administration, blah, blah, blah. And the Times described it as a high-ranking administration official. So it comes out today that the guy's name is Miles Taylor or something, and he was a staffer. He was assistant to somebody high up. But

they lied. He was never a high... So this just shows you what we're dealing with here. Anyway. Yeah. Fix your makeup. You want to give Nikki an intro since you've known her longer. Oh my God.

You know what? I have, I just found Nikki is, is one of my oldest friends. Listen, I want to, I just want to disclaimer here. I'm not going to be able to handle the pronoun things. You're going to be able to handle it. I'm going to tell you why I can't handle it. Because it's not even clear to me, aside from the habit,

which is almost impossible to break out of. I have a friend whose daughter is transgender. And I know he struggled with it for years. He would just automatically say the wrong name, the wrong gender, whatever it is. But on top of that, when I'm telling stories about somebody previous to the change,

it's tremendous cognitive dissonance to describe the mental image in the opposite. Anyway, so I'm going to talk. So what I'm going to do, unless she objects, I'm going to talk. So what I'm going to do, unless she objects, I'm going to use the natural pronoun to describe the past. And I will try my best

to use the correct pronoun now, but with full, she knows, intention to be respectful. Nikki, how do you respond to that? Okay, before you launch into it, this is what I tell everybody. I was like i did the pronoun issue to me it's like if you're not being disrespectful if it's just like you like i i

hate watching people try to trip over it just like noam is trying to do right now you know he wants to do the right thing uh but you know in the course of natural conversation if you slip up i don't care if you misgender me i don't care if you, you know, if you use my dead name, if you dead name me. I don't particularly care. What's dead name? You mean the previous incarnation of Nicky Jacks? Correct. I'll send you like the, you know, the memo with all that.

So this is the thing. But wait. There's a point I make. Hold on. There's a thing. And I made this point in another show. I'm not worried about Nick Nikki being mad at me. It's woke white people

who are going to get furious in her behalf. It's not just woke white people. I'll let Nikki finish, though, because you... No, I haven't introduced her yet. Yeah, do the intro. So I met

Michael in 1989 or 90? 89, when was it? I think it was actually 88. 88. He was dancing on the street for money, tap dancing on the street for money. And then he became a big fan of my band and what I was doing at the cafe while I would come down. And then, you know, we just kind of knew each other. And I thought he was like a village. Character.

A character, yeah. I didn't take him very seriously. But then I needed some work done or something. And I think the first thing was just a light switch in my apartment. And somehow he said, I can do that. And, and I think the first thing was just a light switch in my apartment. And somehow he says, I can do that. And I'm like, all right,

I'll get. And, and he became, and he did a fantastic job, like fantastic professional job. It's still, it's still there today. And,

um, then, so we began to, so I began to engage him in work. And then he, he, his big claim to fame, he,

he wired this whole wiring harness behind the stage with on hinges and it it came out and you could switch all the microphones from one system to the other whatever and it was on wheels and it was like okay this guy is uh is talented and then so then he became basically my most trusted and valuable uh employee and very very dear dear friend for many, many years. And then he left. He went to do his own thing. And he got married to a woman that I set him up with. And then I can remember how deep it was.

Because when I sold the Cafe Juan in 2005, I'm sure he remembers this. And I get emotional i i for some reason i called him to tell him that i'd sold it and i just burst into not just tears but like i i lost my shit like just crying do you remember that a hundred percent you know it was emotional on both sides of the phone call because that was a uh i mean the venue itself it itself, it has such character and such history. And we were so emotionally invested in it. But this is the thing. It was at least eight or ten years after she had left the States. So it was just, I was just saying, well, I'm ending this chapter of my life.

And I wanted to call Michael to thank him for the critical help he gave me when it counted, when I was getting off the ground. And I was just overcome with this emotion. So anyway, so that's, that's the peak, the history. And then, you know, we, I've godfathered to his daughter, even though she's angry with me, maybe still. And, um, I would love to see you. All right. I don't know. And I took her to a One Direction concert. And so that's it.

So, you know, Michael would call me every New Year's Eve. So it's a very, very close relationship. And she was a Trump Republican until not very long ago. I was never a Trump Republican. Oh, yes, you were. No, I was not. Oh, you absolutely were. Remember we had a conversation at the Olive Tree. I've been a Republican. Oh, yes, you are. No, I was not. Remember we had a conversation at the Olive Tree.

I've been a Republican. You were a Fox News, Fox News, Trump Republican. I was, okay, listen, I watched. I don't mean to dead name you, but you were. I'm more pissed off about this, you're accusing me of being a Trump Republican than using my old name. I warned you, I told you he would be bad news. I always said that he should never have been voted in. Nicky, can I ask you a question about protocol, pronoun protocol, and protocol in general? Regardless of what offends you, when no one's referring to his relationship with you in uh the before time uh he's certainly he calling you michael is appropriate is that right i if he said i called michael and referring to you as a as a him would that be appropriate when speaking of his relationship with yeah that

you know what that's fine like i came to this actually when i was talking with my daughter uh jade when when she was first like hey um it's father's day do you still want a card and i was like i perform that job function i absolutely want the card and food and but you can make it more chocolate this time yeah i mean also other people have memories of you when you were michael so you have to also remember that for them there's a part there's a beautiful part of that and but it's in the past I always say listen I am not not proud of my old life just like you said I'm not not proud I'm very proud of my old life I'm proud of my old name um and plus my old name you know has some respect in some circles and it makes me some money.

So it opens some doors. So I'm not going to, you know, totally walk away from it. I'm proud of who I am as an individual. And this is the larger conversation, which, you know, which I've touched upon before is perhaps I'm easygoing about my transition and my choice in life because my being transgender, my, my, the manifestation of my true self, my honest authentic self is secondary to what I am as an individual in terms of like the workforce and what value I bring to my work, my society, you know, wherever I am. And that's, I really, like every other American, I, you know,

I base my self-worth on work, what I can do. So if... Yeah, but you're not the same. I teased her because, you know, in the old days, if there was like a mouse that would run through the olive tree, Michael would just jump on it. Like, literally, with his boots, just stop, kill it. Like, kill it.

Pick it up and throw it out. Now there's a mouse walking. Michael's like, eek, a mouse! He's jumping down the table. It's just like the exterminator. I saw a mouse. I'm literally going to my landlord. Eek, eek, a mouse. I'm literally going to my landlord.

Okay. Can I say something though? Um, and I think it's important though, to say that it's not just woke white people, like radical progressive left-wing people that whose feelings you're hurting or who feel disrespected for people to just be like the pronouns they're just too much for me it's like no it's not too fucking much it's not that hard you people should make an effort to i didn't say the pronouns. I'm not talking about you. This is not a reference. Ariel, can I jump in? Of course.

Danny, it's you. Because the last time you were on at about the 23-minute mark, you went on for a while about, oh, it's too much. If you were born a man, you were a man. If you were born. Let me tell you something. So I throw a little shindig, a little kiki, every Saturday night for all my trans sisters, and I played that for everybody.

Oh, no. And to a person, they, like myself, I was outraged. I was throwing stuff at the screen at what you were saying. So let him defend himself. No, it's okay. You you can finish there is no defense can i read you danny can i properly read you like we should in the community listen if you're gonna be so fucking lazy as to just like totally disrespect our entire authenticity go back to long island brooklyn wherever the rest of your hasidic family came from stay with them maybe they will understand you maybe they will

put up with your putzery whatever it is that they call it in your family or go paint your walls that's probably where you probably belong okay nikki nik Okay, good. By the way, they didn't hate me, though, right? Oh, they love you. Okay, go ahead. That's all I care about. Many, many kudos to you. Okay, go ahead. Danny, for shame. Can I just say something? Okay, okay, okay, okay. Because,

no, no, no. Let Danny talk. Can I just say one thing? Just one thing. What did I, just one thing. What did I say about what Danny said, though? You, I don't want to, I don't want to let him say. I'll tell you afterwards what you said. Go ahead. Look, you know, to the point,

it was really more about the attacks that I get from, and like, like Noam was saying, from people not, because I don't have a problem with the transgender community. What I have a problem with are people that are super sensitive, that when you make a mistake, they come at you like you just killed someone. And it really is about the entire the entire you know

woke community that comes at you all the time and that's what my anger that was about them and it's certainly not about Nikki and okay our community so it was I maybe I I didn't add that in but that's where it was coming from when I was upset about it. Right. Okay. So that's understandable. Right. So that's...

But let me... Go ahead, Nikki. Okay. I can understand there being some... I think I have a bad connection, so I'm going to try to get through this. Here's part of the problem with why we have to stand strong and be careful all the time, because people are dying. This is, here we are in New York, and we think that we've kind of conquered this problem. We really haven't.

There's people dying all across the country. There's people dying all across the country there's people dying all across the world there's organizations like the rainbow railroad that are trying to get people out um and if we don't start to change the language and the narrative and the acceptance especially from people who are in a very public eye like you know you know, like, you know, I'm in some mild public eye, but we, you know, we have to, every time we open up the door for hatred, it's going to walk in. Every time we, you know, there's a law, for example, there's a law on the books in New York.

This is a big thing that's going on right now, which is called walking while trans, which means it wasn't intended that way. It was intended to be, to try to stop loitering and solicitation, but sadly, it means that the police can go in and arrest you for looking trans. And sadly, there's like two groups of transgender people really, well, there's more than that. But amongst the, in the community,

you have the trans women who are, you know, come from a lower economic background, who come from, you know, someplace where they tend to dress and talk a certain way that's a little more extra, that's a little more extra that's a little more out um and these people tend to get targeted black trans essentially what i'm talking about is black trans lives and there are those like myself there's like a group of us that all transition later in life we all all, you know, we all have jobs. We have enjoyed the, you know, the benefits of white entitlement where, you know, and so we don't suffer from this. So I tend to be particularly easygoing about it. I also didn't get clocked a lot. But a lot of my other girlfriends, they get beat up. I have a friend that died earlier this year.

Black trans woman, moved to Florida, tried to get her life together, found dead in a gas station. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, Nikki. Yeah. Because she was pulling tricks. Well, I was about to say That's exactly my point So before we

There's no reason I want to say two things First of all What Danny is referring to is why I'm so tongue tied here And I think it needs to be Accepted that You know me So I would have no trouble Just talking about this with you But the fact is And I think it needs to be accepted that, I mean, you know me, my, you know.

So I would have no trouble just talking about this with you. But the fact is, there's a huge number of people out there, just like a loaded spring, just waiting to get me, catch me saying something in the wrong way. Somehow, I'm going to step on the landmine, and now they got me. And this is, and it's sickening after all. That could be a trans person.

So here's the thing. So I look at it. In 2019, 26 trans people were killed. This year, 33. This year, 33. Now, it's not logically correct to assume that every trans person that was killed was killed either because they were trans or to assume that they weren't killed by another trans person.

And of course, some of them are killed in bigotry. And of course, prostitutes, prostitutes in general are subject to a lot of violence. So that's another layer which makes it, you know, sloppy to assume that we know what we're talking about in any particular instance. But I'm going to say just one more thing

that I don't think you need to prove to me. There could be zero trans killings. And I don't think you wouldn't have to prove to me that the bigotry and ridicule and hatred and whatever it is towards trans people is a significant issue. I don't think you need to define it

in terms of murders. It's kind of like the police issue with the black community where the actual number of black people killed by the cops is actually quite, quite low. But that shouldn't be taken for the idea that blacks are not treated like crap by the cops, you know?

Well, okay. There's a bunch to unpack in that. I hate that expression. I'm sorry. It's like a box of gifts. I have to unpack it. So just talking about like the, the, the violence, right? This is, we have to change. We have to like, for those of us who do accept the population, for those of you who are not in the population that do accept us, that open us with open arms. If you slip up, that's not a thing.

It's like generally those of us who are, you know, are pretty balanced or even moderately, but most of my trans friends, like if they know you're not doing it intentionally, we don't care, right? That's Danny's point. I've never, I've had a lot of, I've met a lot of trans people in my life

and I've never ever had a problem with any trans person, but I've had a lot of problems with people who are not trans and who don't even have a trans person in their family but they're very woke and they come at me for whatever reason it was not a lot just two or three times that i said that something came up and it really was crazy and it had nothing to do with anything and okay let me that's so i i am um you know and even within my own community so i know exactly what you're talking about right because like for example i'm very close with the ballroom community you know the ballroom you know for like pose and jack mitzrahi thank you jack mitzrahi glasses, my coach glasses.

But this is primarily an urban black phenomenon. And even though I maintain what I call the house of Jack's, which is me, I'm not really part of that community and I will work with them, but I won't like, I rarely will walk a runway or I'll rarely like serve because it's not my background. And I would be culturally appropriating it. So it's wrong. Like, I think it's wrong, even though I'd be welcome with open arms and I am.

Right. And so in the same way, I do agree with you that there are those people that are out there that will immediately shotgun you to the head because heaven forbid you say the wrong thing. You got the wrong vernacular. You know, you pick the wrong thing to say this week or that week. You know how things change. Like when did cis come up? Right. Apparently it's always been there, but like I had to actually look it up. Like where the hell does this come from like cisgender versus transgender um but it i still want to get back to how imperative it is that whenever we can and i know i'm speaking to like preacher to the choir here um there is a like a domino effect right of why these people get killed because because they're pulling tricks. It's because if you look at the black trans community, a lot of them start as being, they come out as gay,

right? And then they're in a community where the black community, or there are many cultures out there that won't accept it russia is one right that that won't accept it uh lebanon if you come out as as get anything lgbt in lebanon you're going to get killed um jamaica russia these are all hotbeds around the world and that of course we find that here in this cult in the in the united states so you know uh if what when these people like move in this community they're gay they end up by getting with some you know on the side and we know that this used to happen at the village underground right like that a man would come down and be with his wife one night and then the next night he'd be there with a little side piece.

But the problem is when you get caught as a side piece, or if something happens, that the male, the dominant male, can't handle the fact that he's attracted either to a gay male or he's attracted to a trans woman, and kills them, or beats them, or does something to this effect. That's why we need to like really reach deep and reach out and not so much

into the people that we think are the ones that are, that are inflicting the murders and beatings, but it's, it's the people, you know, most of the, most of the, almost all of the 33 transgender people that were murdered this year in the U.S. were murdered by their friends, by their family, by their lovers, by somebody that couldn't take the fact that they were attracted to a trans male. And if we can change society to try to lift that stigma against being attracted to somebody in the LGBT community.

Our dear friend Jim Norton, fellow comedian, Jim Norton is doing his part and more toward that end because, I don't know if you know this, Nicky, but Jim Norton not only dates trans women, but talks about it on stage. He does. He talks about it very freely. I never paid attention. I was always going to be trying to make his baba ganoush or his tabbouleh.

It's very new. Oh, look. So, you know, yeah. It's not new. Jim Norton's only been outwardly dating trans women for a few years, I think. A few years, yeah. A few years. I've known him for 20, so that's new to me.

So now we're going back to... Perrielle said that she thought that Danny was just kidding, and I said Danny was not. No, that's not what I said. I said that I know Danny very well personally, and I know that he would, that I thought he was just being... Dramatic.

No, not dramatic. That he, I said that there's, I've never heard him say anything against trans people. I'm a very liberal and open-minded. She said he didn't really mean it. And I said, yes, he did mean it. I'm just aggravated with the left a lot. I'm just aggravated with the left.

I'm coming from a lot of crazy, just so much craziness coming from the left and I'm so liberal and it's so upsetting to me. So I want to say something. I accept that. Hearing this from your words, Danny, I accept it. Nikki, Nikki, yeah, yeah, listen.

If Danny Cohen is the worst the trans community has to worry about, the trans community is flourishing. Believe me, all right? I'm not really worried about getting beaten up by him when they're trying to track down the gas station murderer i don't think they have to worry that it's danny cohen all right but um but it was it was it was a

little harsh the the way it came out but um you know there's a thing where there's parts of it i don't know how i don't know how you felt like like maybe i asked you this maybe i didn't but when when you um knew that i was gonna know that you were trans you know transitioning or whatever whatever the right term um what did you think my reaction was gonna be okay um let me get i'll tell like like what i thought beforehand then i got to tell you you know how i felt afterwards right okay so because i'm getting to a point but let you go ahead all right well i well i had no it was very early in you found out at the very beginning when i was actually trying to lay the groundwork so in case i had to go through therapy i'd have all my w path uh issues checked off like you know

and so like it came out through one of your bartenders who i'm not gonna name his name benny and i think he thought he was like oh we got another one you know it was a shitty thing he did but go ahead go ahead oh well so it got out and it went like wildfire through the community and the next thing i know you're communicating with me about this and you and won't really touched my heart in such a way and that you have been so completely supportive and immediately accepting. And, and I really, I can't thank you enough. And this, you know, it's only one of another reasons of why I love you so much. No,

I don't know if Seth Simon is listening, but he, he should take note. But, but so, so I, I mean, you know, thank you. Thank you, Nikki. But what, what did you think? What did you, what did you expect? Like, was that surprising that I was accepting? Did you think I was going to say,

don't get the fuck out of here. Don't ever talk to me again. What did you, what did you think might be my reaction? Knowing me as, knowing me as you did. I thought that you, you wouldn't be like mean or abusive or like, you know,

kick me to the curb or whatever. But I didn't know how you would accept. I didn't know how anybody was going to accept it. And you being so dear to me and part of my life for so long, I thought that that would be a major like tectonic shift, you know? It is. No, I'm still the same person. I have a different email address. I'm way more fabulous now, but otherwise'm still the same person i have a different email address i'm way more fabulous now but otherwise i'm the same person it's not it's not as a tectonic shift as um as one might think it is maybe that's because i'm in denial about it i'm just i'm still looking at

michael in a dress i'm sorry no i i i i don't really care as long as you're happy. That's the obvious point. I don't care as long as you're happy. And, but I was getting to is that, because to that, you're right. I am totally accepting, but what people seem to feel is that just, it's not enough to be totally accepting. You have to be totally accepting you have to mouth agreement with every aspect of the the current theories on this stuff many of which you know are here today and gone tomorrow so for instance

i was i was arguing the other day like what does it mean to be cis male heterosexual male so to me what it means is you're attracted to the opposite sex so some so i asked somebody the question well if i'm a heterosexual man and i say i'm not attracted to a trans woman uh does that make me some sort of bigot and people say well yes i'm like oh no that is not how the conversation went i'm saying like if gender is just i'm saying gender is not just a construct because i because i don't think there are heterosexual men who are attracted to trans women obviously but oh wait you're saying that didn't that jim norton is not heterosexual i'm saying that the basic i'm saying that that the most, there's something of everything

and there's mixtures of everything that gets complex. What I'm just saying is that the most basic building block, a heterosexual man, let's say, is attracted to the opposite sex. Not the opposite identity in that person's head.

I'm not attracted to Dan based on whether Dan identifies as a woman. I'm attracted to Dan based on whether or not he is X, Y, or X, Y, Y. And X, X, or X. Now, I can be wrong about that. You think that, like, if Dan looked exactly like he is right now, except that, you know, let's say you're attracted to Dan. But he's got, oh, I'm sorry, Danny. But he's got what?

Dan or Danny, who are we talking about here? But he's got what? It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. But he's got what? But let's just say that, you know, he looks exactly like you guys, and you were always sort of, like, attracted to him,

but he's got, like, a more feminine package down below. Are you saying that you would be attracted to him because he was born a cis female? I'm saying that the attraction is towards the innate biological attraction is to the opposite sex. Now, that can be, I don't know what the word is, confused or redirected, I suppose, by a perfect facsimile as what you're describing,

but when they take it a step further, they say that it actually doesn't matter even whether or not the trans woman has changed her genitals. Meaning that they will go as far as telling you that actually, even if she has a penis, you are still, if you're heterosexual, so long as you know that she's a woman, that's part of your heterosexuality. I'm like, you know what? I just don't buy that.

Are you like throwing gas on a fire? What? No, of course not. Perrielle, can you like share an image? Hold on, hold on. Am I wrong on what I just said? Look up India Moore. Here's a good one.

Look up India Moore. Hold on. I don't want to look anybody up. Just tell me where I'm wrong. She's on the cover of two Vogue magazines this month. Nikki, don't distract now. Just tell me where I'm wrong. I'm not looking up India Moore.

What I'm saying is that they will go so far as to tell me that if I am not attracted to a woman with a penis and I say, I don't want to, they're like, oh, well, you know, that's, and I'm saying, well, that's part of, that's what heterosexual means to me. You're attracted to the opposite sex i guess complex when you have a perfect gender reassignment surgery when it's just i mean i don't know how to deal with that are you perhaps maybe i'm misunderstanding the statement are you saying that other people are telling you that if you don't happen to be attracted to a specific individual who happens to be or not be transgender i'm saying the following without without i'm saying

the following and let me let me stipulate i haven't i haven't thought it through every angle so i'm not even going to pretend that i'm not going to commit myself 100 to anything i'm saying now because i'm thinking out loud but but at the core, there is a conflict in my mind between gender as a social construct and it's whatever you identify as and the world should therefore, has no basis other than to react to you as the gender that you identify as and you present yourself as. As opposed to what I feel is a reality about heterosexual or homosexual attraction, which I think is not about what the opposite person identifies as. It's about what they physically are.

So I think a gay man is attracted to the same sex, not someone who identifies as the same sex, but actually physically the same sex. A gay man does not want most, for the most part, is not attracted to a man with a vagina. We have a gay man amongst us. Danny, I would like to ask you. What do you say, Danny?

First of all, I'd like to say that for me, I would much rather have sex with a woman that looks exactly like a woman, but has a penis. Then somebody that looks exactly like a man, but has a vagina, if those were my choice. Okay, go ahead. Go ahead, Danny. Understandable. understandable i i i'm attracted to men i'm sexually attracted to men but i've also been strangely attracted and i don't know if it's sexual but something happens to me and i've met many women who are trans to men but they're women and they haven't transitioned yet when they're in the beginning stages, but they're very masculine and tough. And I found that very sexy. And I was like, oh, because they're like sort of

manly, but they're women. Because they're sort of manly. Dan and Danny, you both just proved a point that it's a social construct. No, it's not a social construct. No, no, hold on. This is important. Where are we at?

No, no, no. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Because I don't want to give it on this point. No, they've got to look like women for me to be attracted to them. That's the whole point. Listen, if you have to teach somebody something about their sexuality,

I think you need to take a close look at it. Meaning that in, in, in the year, you know, in the year one, a, a heterosexual man,

it never occurred to him that he was attracted to somebody's, what they're identifying. And he was attracted to the opposite sex in the same way, every animal, every animal. And we're one of them is attracted to the opposite sex in the same way every animal, every animal, and we're one of them, is attracted to the opposite sex. Now, humans have a very flexible and high-order intelligence and sexuality, and we can, there's a little clay to it, and we can be turned on by certain things,

and we can be, something can be evocative enough. A trans woman can be so soft and feminine and I can get used to it and it's evocative enough of what it is that I'm actually attracted to that I'll say, yeah, you know what? I can go this way, but I'm still attracted to the opposite sex. And what I'm saying is I'm attracted to the opposite sex and she's pulling it off. You know what? You're pulling it off and I'm going to be able to relate. I'm going to be able to somehow just be okay. To me, you're the opposite sex, but I'm never attracted. I can never get to the point where I say, you know what? You're kind of hot. And you say to me, when we're fucking in bed, I don't give a shit whether you think you're a man or a woman.

I'm not attracted to what your psychology is. I'm attracted to whether or not you are the opposite sex. That's what I'm attracted to. If you make fuck, tell me, you know what? I changed my mind. I'm going back. I don't know what happened, but all of a sudden I'm identifying as the boy again.

I was like, it's not going to change anything. Okay. So wait, wait, wait. First of all, Perry has been dying to say something. I have like 50 things I want to say now. Say, say. Perry, what do you want to say?

First of all, you just totally supported the opposite of the claim that you made, number one. No, I did not. You did. I should speak more slowly because you didn't understand me. I have to say that there is homosexuality in the animal kingdom outside of human beings, because no one implied that there was not. And.

I think. Monkey butt. because no, no, I'm implied that there was not. And I think the question, the way that this conversation started was, if you asked me to answer this question, you said, if somebody is a heterosexual, are they attracted to women or people who also identify as women? And I said, people who identify as women. That's not the case. Of course it's the case. You will find some heterosexual man for the case, but I mean, if I pick, hold on, if I pick- No, but let me just finish my sentence. No, no, no. If I pick a hundred of my heterosexual friends and I say, are you attracted to women

or are you attracted to anybody who identifies as a woman? Maybe one of them will say anybody who identifies as a woman. 99 will say, I'm attracted to women. You're conflating gender with biology. Biological sex is not the same as gender. I'm equating, no. I'm equating you. I'm going to grant you the gender thing.

I'm equating primitive physical, the attraction of your most primitive sexuality. You're born gay. You're born hetero. When you're born gay, that to me, when you are eight years old and you realize you're gay, you open up magazines of naked men. You don't know what they identify as and you don't care. Exactly.

You are identified to the same sex not and and if i showed and if i showed a young gay man a dirty magazine listen i haven't got one but i have i have some uh some these people they these people identify as men they would be like no no that's you know i don't think you understand what i'm thinking about when i go to bed at night i'm attracted to the same sex show me naked pictures of men that's what i'm saying but that's sexual that's sexual, that's like a sexual orientation. It's not a gender orientation. I'm talking about sexual orientation. I'm talking about being hetero or gay.

No, I'm talking about a full transgender world. What are you trying with definitions here? But let me make the deeper point because the deeper point is this, and to get back to the circle all the way around because this is really what I was getting at. Thank you, Dan Aderman. That's India Moore around, because this is really what I was getting at. Thank you, Dan Aderman. That's India Moore. Listen, listen, this is what I'm really getting at.

I'm taking a risk by even having this conversation. And this is where Danny's so upset. It's like, I could be wrong. I could be right. The truth could be. I mean, there's almost been no issue of sexuality where the correct scientific opinion has not changed in my lifetime. None. I mean, you go back and read a book about homosexuality and the cause of the whole thing about it and transgender from when I was a kid.

It's all changed. And now also we hear things changing about. So, you know, hopefully they got it right now. I don't know. But the idea, the idea that they equate acceptance, decency, morality with, you just have to repeat after me. And you don't, and if you're asking questions, if you don't get it, if you disagree, because it doesn't sound right to you, you're some kind of bigot. This is what makes us sick. No, no, no. You shouldn't have that. You shouldn't have that. You can't have an open dialogue. This is what makes us sick. Not about trans. This is what makes us sick about the entire

left-right divide right now. It's like, you know what? I mean, you described it. It's not going to be enough for the world that I was totally accepting, supportive of Nikki and other people we both know and everything. It's not enough that I live like a dream version of what they wish the whole world would be. They got to catch me on some fucking thing that I don't make the right hostage video.. I say, listen, I don't get it because I'm not attracted to anything that has a penis. Call me names. Say what you want about me. Say that I'm an old fashioned. I, you can put

a, you can put me under the most deep truth serum you want. I'm going to say, you know what? When I get that hot chick home and she takes off her pants and she has a dick, I'll be? When I get that hot chick home, and she takes off her pants, and she has a dick, I'll be like, I'm not saying you're not a woman, but I'm sorry, I can't. And he's like, so tell me, and I always say, well, no, of course, don't say you can't.

That's not what I said. Because you said that if you're hetero, you're attracted to someone who identifies as a woman. Right, but I didn't say anything about you and what you're attracted to in that you're a... I'm hetero. So what am I attracted to? Okay, but there's nothing wrong with being hetero. We love our hetero.

No, I'm saying she said... They pay me the most. She said if I'm hetero, what I'm saying, if I tell Peril I'm a heterosexual and she's... So she takes from that. She thinks the reasonable reaction to that is, oh, he's attracted to someone who identifies as a woman. And I'm saying nine times out of a 10, a dude tells you I'm a heterosexual male. If you think what they're saying is they're attracting someone who identifies as a woman, as opposed to a woman with tits and ass and a pussy, you are living in a dream world. That's to me, not reality. Now, does that mean in any kind of ridiculous way

that I'm not tolerant of trans? No, it's not. Nobody said you weren't tolerant of trans people. I'm just saying. But people will say that. They'll say that. What I think he's saying, Peril, is it's not amongst us.

He's got this fear. And again, it's coming from the larger group on the left that is like the thought police that is you know that and and i i'm very much against them too i know you are if they they would negate my existence if it was just thought police because i nikki if they're right i know what they say if they're right, I know what they say. If they're right, then my own belief about my own sexuality is incorrect. And that's ridiculous to me. I'm attracted to the opposite sex. I am not attracted to someone who identifies as the opposite sex.

You're right. If you are beautiful and you might fool me and you know what, with a few drinks and me, I might go that way. But nevertheless, I'm not attracted to what you identify as. I'm attracted. I want to see the fucking naked pictures. No, you're attracted to the. Okay.

Okay. So we're not coming down at you. And you are completely entitled to what you're attracted to. I'm fine with definitions. You do you. It's all we're doing. Exactly. That's what they do.

I mean, everything is about definitions today. The point is, is that what I was saying is that you don't need to be a biological woman to be a woman. You do not need to have a vagina to be a woman. That's what I was saying. Whether you're personally attracted to that is neither here nor there.

You do need to have a vagina, however, to get half of Noam's estate. Well, I mean, Nikki, Nikki, she says that, and I know I'm supposed to say the hostage video, but... You don't have to say anything. But to be very honest about it, I think that it is a... It would be a wonderful world

if we treated every human with such respect that anybody who identified as a woman in every single way of their life could be treated as a woman. That is not the same thing to me. I think in some ways, I can't even say it out loud, so I'm going to avoid saying it the way I would naturally say it to you alone, but that is not the same thing to me as saying that there is no difference

between a trans woman and a woman because that's why we talk about trans women. We have a category called trans women, and maybe it's, it's, it's a, maybe it's a subcategory of women or, or maybe it's a subcategory of, it's either a subcategory of the male sex or a subcategory of the female gender. But what is it? Is trans, Nikki, is, is trans a subcategory of the male sex or the female gender? Wow. We're playing with definitions.

I don't think it's going to be something. No, I'm going to go straight back to trans women are women. Okay. So that's that. So, okay. You know, trans women are women. Why? Why? Because it means that you have to define.

What we're talking about here is. So how far do you like that? Why? Because it means that you have to define. What we're talking about here is. So how far do you take that? You're assuming a predefined assumption about what a woman is, what a man is. Okay. So hold on. So how far do we take it? So when you have an ultrasound of the infant, and they determine the XX or XY, what should the ultrasound technician tell you? You're having a, a boy. How do they know? I'm serious. Because they're telling you the biology.

If I go into a doctor's office, I'm going to tell them, Hey, I know I'm totally fierce and you would never clock me, but just in case if you get down there, you're going to find a little something extra. I'm going to tell them that. Why? Because it's just common sense, right? I have certain physical things that I will not like. I will always have a prostate. I will always have, well, you know, we used to have it. We used to have it. We, we, we have a term. What's the, what is the correct term for the people who have the same things that you and I, is that, or I don't know if you have, but is is that, it's a male? Biological. I'm asking you. Biological. A biological male. I was born male.

I was born a biological male. Okay. So I understand that. So a woman can be biological male or female. Again, I say, if I could just speak. Man, Dan, we heard you. We're talking about definitions, but they happen to be interesting because- We're talking about definitions here. How do we define- Okay, all right. No, we're not talking about just definition. It's the baby in the uterus saying,

whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a second. I feel much more glitter than just being a boy. I must be able to, no, the baby's not saying anything. You have to treat it through some kind of common sense. And I think even where the point you're going to do is, what is the liberal left trying to like force down our throats that we can't say that it's a dialogue for one or the other? I absolutely do not agree with what,

as you're saying it, I'm agreeing less and less because I think what's happening here. Listen, what I think is the reality here is that there are two concepts. They're both good concepts. One is gender that you're saying, which is, you know, how you identify as a woman, and a woman is a woman gender.

But what they're trying to do to us now is tell us that the other concept of biological male, biological female should become totally irrelevant to any decent thinking person. Meaning even in your sexual attraction, what you're attracted to, if you're actually considering their biological sex as opposed to their gender identity, you're some kind of bigot. And this is where, this is where, because I think at various times,

I will think of someone like you as a woman or like, you know, like Diana Taylor, I think of her as a woman. But then if I think about going to bed with her, I think of her as a biological male. Can I, is anybody saying- And, and I'm, I mean, you can hold a gun to my head. I don't do, I wish, I wish somebody could hypnotize me and I no longer thought that. I'm just sharing, like if I, if I bring sharing. If I bring a hot chick home and she has a penis, I'm going to think of her all of a sudden, not as a woman,

but as a biological male. I'm not going to deny she's a woman. It doesn't even matter to me. But at that point, the key fact is that I just went home with a biological male. Noam, is anybody saying- If she was a fully transitioned woman, Noam, if she's gorgeous, would you allow yourself to fall in love with her? I don't know the answer to that, but that would be a lot easier.

Allow yourself implies that love is under your control, but Noam, panelist, is anybody saying what Noam is suggesting? Is anybody saying you're a bigot if you won't have sex with a transgender woman? Is anyone making that point? Or is any, should I say, is any substantial number of people making that point such that we have to worry about that

as a dominant thought? Right, I mean, is this a big thing that you're coming, I'm interested if that's a big thing that you're coming across because I want to meet these other people that are trying to force you. Oh, it's a very big thing. It is this a big thing that like you're coming? I'm interested if that's a big thing that you're coming across, because I want to meet these other people that like are trying to force you. Oh, it's a very big thing. It's a very big thing. I've never heard of it. I totally have never come across that, but it may well be.

It's a very big thing. I'm giving the extreme example. It's a very big thing in the sense that when people talk about somebody's gender or sex, quite often what they want to talk about is the biological sex. When I'm with a bunch of dudes, we want to talk about the biological sex, right? What they've done is made it almost impossible to talk about that even though it's it's deep within your sexuality because they try to think well if that's if that's what you want to talk about you guys now you have some hatred going on you got some bigotry going on like and that and that's what that and that is very common you guys are doing like you know, you know, locker room talk.

You're talking about, you know, what's great and whatnot. That's what you're talking about. How often do you sit around talking about, oh, I want to, like, check out that package on that training. I'm assuming that does not happen that often. My question to you is, in your experience, does anybody think you're bigoted if you refuse to have sex with a gorgeous woman if she has a penis would anybody in your community think that is bigoted or wrong think no they just figure they don't like us we move on but they don't what does that mean they don't like us they don't like you just not attracted to you correct yeah yeah me

personally i don't take it as like some big you know big sociological thing they're just like hey this guy's not into me i'm not gonna waste my time i'm moving on i can make a phone call one hour i could be getting some what percent yeah i get but what but okay i i mean when you said something interesting, you said that if you were, if you met a woman who was incredibly feminine, which I think is sort of one of the things that you're saying is that you're attracted to women who are extremely feminine, who happened to be trans and had had both top and bottom surgery, and you didn't know that, you would probably be attracted to her regardless, right?

Of course. Yeah. If I didn't know it, then I didn't know it. And if I did know it... If she had a pussy and tits and she was super hot, and you were attracted to her, because that's what you're saying you're attracted to, right? You're attracted to pussy and tits. That's what the guys are sitting at the table and to right you're attracted to pussy and tits that's what the guys are sitting at the

table and saying they're attracted to pussy and tits right yes okay what's the difference if that person is trans or not assuming that they've had top and bottom surgery which not all trans people do Noam would have sex with a beautiful trans woman that was was had a vagina and breasts and looked just like a cis woman. Yes. All right. You know what? I got to be honest.

I have a, like I said, I throw a little shindig, a little kiki regularly. I have been with a lot of men that say, oh, I'm straight. Oh, they identify as straight. They identify as being a cis male mask. But you know what? A lot of them are switches as well. What do you mean switches? No, they're not.

You're a woman. Clearly. What do you mean by switches? Well, okay. I like penis. You see, this is the thing. You actually agree with me. And you just said it.

They're switches. I didn't finish what he means by switches. Switches mean they want to be a cop and they want to be a boss. That's sexual. Who cares what you're doing, how you do it? The point being is that they enjoy, you know, they're gay. You prefaced it by saying. But as soon as they walk right back out or they're attracted to the LGBT community or trans women,

but the second they walk out the door, they, bam, put on the costume of being male, not being attractive. You put them in a group of other people, they would never, of other men, they would never admit to the fact that they had just slept with a trans woman yes we know we know that this goes on we know that jim norton because he he uh says this to a fan base that is very bro-y in large measure and of course jim norton was with the opie and anthony show and even but but i gotta tell you that even that's not quite correct when you look at it with with talmudically because even those men who who are even those men who are attracted to that and i've i've known some they talk about being attracted to to to to to i i don't know what's trans uh to trans

they say they say trannies right but you can't say anymore but they were you know yeah they talk about being attracted. I'm describing their words. They will talk about being attracted to trannies. What they will never say is, it was just a woman. What are you talking about? Like, it's a distinction to them. They don't see it as just another woman.

They see it as a particular thing. It's a trans woman. It's its own entity. And I think, most accurately, it's its own thing. It's a trans woman. It's its own entity. And I think most accurately, it's its own thing. Okay. So number one, I'm happy that they're having the conversation and they're not beating the shit out of whoever they dealt with, whoever they were with. And number two, I'm happy that they're admitting in a bro way, I'm attracted. Great. Every time somebody says that, it gets us a little bit more in the door, right? And number three, yes, third sex, I can completely concur with that. I often call myself, refer to myself as third sex. You see, that's all I was saying. It doesn't quite fit. It's a square peg.

I'm sorry. It used to be a square peg. It's a round peg. It fits. You can squeeze it in either hole, but it's not a perfect fit for either hole. The definitions don't fit for either hole. And it's interesting to talk about. And I think to the extent that you can talk about it will only make

people more accepting you know because nobody like i said well whatever so so yeah i think it i mean could you what's his name what's the big comedian um uh chapelle yeah well who's like for some reason i don't know why everybody's beating up on him for his transgender jokes i've listened i tried to find every any one of them that i felt offended by none of them them. In fact, there's a couple of them where he was like, there was one he talks about, like, I was dancing late at night, and the woman said, oh, I'm so sorry. You know, he didn't know. And he makes the joke, hey, there's two more dances.

Let's keep going. You know, I haven't heard a bad joke. And the more it's talked about, the less we, you know, rather the more we are out in the open. Now, Nicky, Nicky, and I want are out in the open. Now, Nikki, Nikki, and then we'll leave it. I want to just go back to one thing that you just said. Maybe it was off guard, but I think it was a Freudian slip. And I'm going to, I'm going to call you out on it.

You prefaced it by saying, before you say, I've been with guys who claim they were all hetero. Right. And then when I got them, the implication being, and then when I got them, I realized there was something a little bit more than hetero, and then when I got them, the implication being, and then when I got them, I realized there was something a little bit more than hetero, meaning you were kind of buying into my definition of the most basic definition of hetero is being attracted to the opposite biology, and then you realized that these guys were a little bit more flexible than

that. Okay. So most of the, not really because I think where, you know, this goes back to a construct. There's a specific construct of what we think a male is supposed to be. He's supposed to be a top. He's supposed to be strong, butch, dominant, top, right? Wait, I'll take it a step further. Wait, I'm sorry. sorry i just if i if i find myself in bed with a really attractive female and i find out that she identifies as male i don't care and i don't and i don't and i will not feel like i had a homosexual experience if i if i bang this shit out of an unsexually deconstructed female, all the while she's thinking she's having, or he's thinking he's having a homosexual experience

with me, but I'm just having sex with a female, you can't tell me, or actually that makes you buy. It's like, I don't care what she identifies with. I'm attracted to the opposite sex. But I think that- Right? Am I wrong? I don't find it- identifies with. I'm attracted to the opposite sex. But I think that's your mental makeup. I think if you walked away and you never knew that she was one way or the other, or however she identified. I don't care how she identifies. Okay, exactly. But if you, but if it was a trans woman and you were in bed with her and she never admitted it you would walk away saying that was so hot you know but i must confess go ahead and confess to not finding this conversation all that interesting i think it could have been summed up in 10 minutes now all right let's move on to

something else uh biden versus trump well first of all um we'd say 28. How much longer do we want to go on? Because we have Tony Barrett and we have our pre-election predictions. Okay, pre-election predictions. Go ahead. First, I got to introduce it because I came up with a thing about it. I said predictions about the big day. Four more years or Trumpers in tears. Know them. Four more years or Trumpers in tears.

I've said that Trump's going to lose since 2016 already. Trumpers in tears. Danny Cohen. Four more years. I mean, sadly. Perry Al or Kimmel Ashenbrand. I mean, I have, much to my deep chagrin,

been saying for months that I think they are not going to get out of this fucking white house well i'm not sure what you mean who's going to win the election and please four more years in other words there's only two four more years sorry four more years nikki uh jacks four more years trumpers in tearsers in tears. I think the wind's at his back right now. At Biden's back. At Biden's back, yeah. I think there is, I think it's four more years. Because the people I talk to,

not crazy people, not rednecks, not normal people, tell me that they're considering voting for Trump. And I assume there's a lot of people out there in that category and people that are not admitting who they're voting for to poll takers. But, you know. If Trump wins, I think there's going to be violence in the streets. What about ifiden wins biden wins it won't be any violence i don't think oh i think there will be why because i think that trump supporters are going to go ballistic no trump supporters have lost elections before trump trump is nobody mean, Trump supporters don't want Biden, but it's like Obama's back,

but Trump is a singular entity and the hatred that people feel towards Trump is, we've never seen anything like it. But also the love that people feel for Trump, we've never seen anything like that. Yeah, but they're not going to be violent. And if Trump wins, people are going to think that he cheated in some way.

Also, if Trump, and this is, I'm about to say, I get this. If Trump wins, he's going to win by losing the popular vote, which is always weird, you know, in America. So that adds to it. What's that face? I don't know. You know, I see a lot of support for Biden.

I think that he represented himself pretty well across all the debates. The more he's got out there, I think he is an increasingly or an incredibly sympathetic. And, you know, listen, you watch him and he's just like an honest heartfelt guy he's decent and i think okay all right my definition but he's gonna change the tempo or he's gonna change the conversation or the tenor of the conversation what's coming up

i think people are tired of this constant air horn in our ears. That's, that's Trump. I think that I do feel sorry for, for Hunter. I must say, I mean, you know, he's had such a hard time of it. He, you know, you have a family name like that, that you're trying to live up to and you wind up getting thrown out of the military and your father has to get you a gig. I must say my, my, my reaction toward that,

I sort of feel bad for the whole family. They've really had terrible tragedy befalling them. So, so Robert Gates has an interview with him. He's a former defense secretary under Barack Obama and George Bush. And they asked him, they quoted his book to him. And he said, you said that, he said essentially close to what Nikki said, that he says, Biden is the nicest, most genuine guy. If you have a personal problem, he's the one who will sincerely help you. However, he was wrong about basically every single foreign policy issue that he ever took a

position on, including voting against the raid on bin Laden. So the reporter read this quote back to Robert Gates and said to him, do you think he'd be, you wrote this, do you think he'd be a good commander in chief? And he says, he looks, he goes, I don't know. I stand by everything I said. So that's, that worries me. You know, that worries me. And here's this guy who served Obama who was in the room with Biden. And he goes public and says that this guy essentially was his way of saying is no, he doesn't. When he says, I don't know, you have to take it for a no. He doesn't think he'd be a good commander in chief.

And then you have, for example, Biden said that Trump made a terrible mistake by assassinating Soleimani, this Iraqi murderer, right? And Trump was right and Biden was wrong, right? Nothing went wrong about it. We haven't heard a peep, not a peep out of Iran since Trump took that bold action. So what I'm saying is that there are very good reasons to vote against Trump because

he's such a nightmarish, detestable figure. But there's also very good reasons to worry about a Biden presidency. And if you don't like the left, there's very good reasons to worry about a Biden presidency there too. But this guy is on foreign policy. He's been terrible, just terrible. Foreign policy matters. I would say, I'm planning to vote for Biden.

If I do vote for Trump and it's unlikely, I will never tell anybody. That's what I'm saying about trans, Dan. You're a Biden supporter. What you fantasize about otherwise is nobody's business thing. Okay. I love being equated as a fantasy. I wonder if anybody is not going to vote for Trump just because they don't feel like lying for the rest of their lives. It's kind of exhausting.

It is exhausting. You know, to lie for the rest of your life when you could just vote for Biden. That's why I'm voting independent. I can't live an honest life and do this. I got to get out of both of them because I can't do it. So I'd rather just say, and I'll get the slack. I don't mind getting the hits for, you're an idiot. You know, you wasted a vote.

I don't mind that. I just can't deal with the Biden and Trump thing. I don't think they're wasting a vote. I think that they count all the votes and the act of voting is important. Good. Down ballot. You can vote whoever you want at the top of the ticket.

I think what really affects our lives is down ballot. I will say what I'm going to do, my plan is this, vote for Biden and do something I've never done before in my entire voting life, republican for everything else because this i mean who else is running by the way are there any senators nobody no any house of representatives anything maybe you you there's no chance of a republican house of representatives winning and there's no senators running in new york schumer's running in 2022,

and Jill ran, I think, in 2014. Oh, okay. Because my plan was... Maybe it won't work, but my plan was to... Dog catcher. To vote all Republicans for Congress to keep the left from getting too crazy and keep Biden in check

until such time as we can have a normal human being in the White House. That's great. That's not a crazy leftist. You know something that occurred to me? Kamala Harris next year. Nikki, this is pretty interesting. It just occurred to me.

You know, Christianity teaches that Jews can't go to heaven, right? You know, if you're not baptized, Jews can't go to heaven. It's a basic belief, right? Right. And there are Jews who will get furious at a Christian for talking about that. And from a very early age, I used to say, why are you getting mad about that?

Like, they're just telling you what they believe, right? And I think there's a lesson there. You know, it just never helps right and I think there's a lesson that you know it's not it just never helps when somebody

is coming to a conversation in good faith to try to use their words against them

it's fine to do that when somebody is coming no you don't do that I'm saying it's fine to do that but this is what

we see more and more of now it's fine when somebody has a bad intention to call them on their bad intention and see if you're going to make them pay a consequence for that bad intention. Right. But we've crossed off into something else now where so many people are getting in trouble for absolutely no bad intention. If I were famous and I had this conversation that I just had tonight.

Forget about it. Forget it. Forget it. You know, that conversation that I just had tonight. Forget it. Forget it. This is why Trump has got to be out of the White House. This is why we don't need so much polarization. That's why he got elected. Because of the polarization? Yeah. He got elected because people were tired

of the PC shit. That's one of the reasons. I don't know if I have an argument against that but i think when the country was more centrist that it was far more accepting and you go out to the midwest you know people are far more accepting of different ideals i would still prefer to be in new york being the way i am dan you're shaking your head danny right in our in our world new y way I am. Dan, you're shaking your head. Danny, right? In our world, New York is L.A. I want to stay in a cosmopolitan city at the least. Right.

Right. Rome, Italy. Any of you watchers want to take me to Paris, I'm flying. But I think when we can approach things as humans and be far more accepting and like you know you do you i don't need to know how you live your life i don't really know any other details but it's making you happy it's not hurting anybody we can be a lot easier we can live a lot easier we can learn a lot more from each other and uh yeah like so i agree that you know i don't want anybody telling me my how to think heaven forbid.

I used to tell you how to think. Yeah, you did. You still try. Now you have your own children. I had two, I had two daydreams in the, I drove, I drove someplace today and I had two daydreams in the car and, and what's that? And you never know, like you you ever have the same way, you think something,

and you think it's smart, and then you wake up the next day, and you think it's kind of like, tried, like, you can't get, you know, but I'll tell you what they were.

One of them is put into this conversation, I'll save that for a second. One day dream I had was that, one like, really easy way to resist temptation, when you're tempted to do something morally questionable in your life whether for greed or selfishly whatever it is is that you just if you just imagine the angel and the devil on your shoulders right it's actually quite obvious

who's talking in any good like and if you just in very simplistic terms like okay who's talking now oh it's the devil and and and then just like okay that that was easy that that that was easy like why was i getting like obviously that's the wrong thing to do it's very very simplistic like anytime that i ever did something that i that i thought you know i should like it was obvious it was never not obvious it was not the angel telling me to do that right we can always like identify by you know yeah just don't do anything that the devil tells you to do and you can't go wrong it's so simple i know it's like always let your conscience be your guide but somehow that seemed insightful to me okay the second thing is this i i pictured myself dying in a hospital bed like my father died you know the hospital and i because i was thinking

about like how i'm conservative on things. And I, you know, get in trouble for Seth Simons called me, you know, whites, you know, of endorsing some white supremacy or something.

And because I read my kids kill a mockingbird and blah, blah, blah. And I say, well, who would I, who would I surround myself with in the hospital? When I had a few days to live?

The cast of characters would be so fucking bizarre. It would be transgender, gay, Steve King, Rosalynn, black people, I mean, it would be so, very few, Coleman. I mean, like, like. Like your wedding. What's that? Like your wedding. Yeah, but I'm saying like, but I mean, like at the most intimate moment of death, when I, like, I had to betray, like, who, who do I really care about?

Like who I want with me in my last moments. It's so clear to me and anybody who knows me who that would be that it just brings home how absurd it is that many of the things I actually believe would allow people to call me somehow bigoted in some way. Really? I know so many fucking woke white people who wouldn't have anybody fucking woke white people who wouldn't have anybody but other white people around them at that last moment of their lives. I know a bunch of them too.

I think either woke white or white woke is acceptable. I was trying to say woke white. I don't know why you were thinking about such dark things. I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. I'll tell you exactly why. Because I was trying to examine myself at my core

to try to say, well, why do you feel this way? Could this be bigotry? Could this be, you know, going through everything I've done and as I try and get to the very essence of it and I say, well, and I came somehow, well, at my dying moment, who would I want around me? Couldn't you just think it like your birthday party? No, birthday party is different. Birthday party can be diplomatic. A birthday party,

when you're dying is when you have nothing else to prove or to lose. In other words, if you've been hiding for professional reasons, your distaste for black people, which many people probably do, right? At their deathbed, they'd be like, get those fucking n-words out of here. You know, like, I'm on my way out. I don't need to play this game anymore, right? That's what you would expect, like, in that final moment. I was saying, like, I was examining myself, like, who are the people that I care most about?

I know that people will say, that's maybe a cousin of some of my best friends, but that's just bullshit. If that's the people that you really care about, you're not a good candidate for bigotry. You can actually disagree about critical race theory. You know what? You can actually disagree about critical race theory and still not be a racist. Fuck the world that tells you that's not the case. Fuck Robin DiAngelo

and, you know, his name, Ibram Kendi, and all these people who tell you that you're not entitled, that they can tell you what you are based on a questionnaire of whether you agree with them or not. We add Tim Wise to the fuck you list, just as long as we're

on the subject. Who? Tim Wise. Who's that? He's an anti-race guy i thought you knew oh i don't i don't know yeah i mean so no one yeah so in looking at the people who you you had surrounded amongst you and this is a serious question were you um were you proud of the assortment? No. I don't know. I mean, now that you're asking me, I think it's a gross thing to be proud of. You shouldn't be proud of not being evil. But no, I wasn't feeling proud of it, no. No, no, but looking at the piece. Of course, you don't have to be evil to have a homogeneous group of friends.

Some people are just more comfortable in a homogenized group. No, but what I'm saying is that, Noam, like I can imagine, like I can imagine who you would have, who you would request to be around you. And I, it's going to be a motley crew, you know, and you will, people are often judged or you can often judge yourself by the company in which you keep right and so um look if i was on my deathbed no pressure and i would be honored

truly if you you know if you were there i'll check my schedule you know he's so um not bigoted that he's just as big of an asshole whether you're trans or cis i mean you think you think she'd want it any other way listen i mean there's something else one reason that i'm gonna be continue to have a healthy relationship with Nikki till the day one of us drops is exactly because I'm not going to let this fucking change force me to start lying to her about what I'm thinking that creates barriers

I was being very genuine about that that was not a dig I will say that I I wasn't being I am known for his ability to be completely honest with anybody because, you know, there's topics that I won't discuss with some of our black colleagues down at the Comedy Cellar. And I'll just nod my head and say, you know, and agree. And Noam will get right in there and argue any topic with any person. topic with any any person so you know but he can you can't huh you're a comic and and noam's the owner he has an upper hand he can argue and say

anything he wants you you have a you you're tied you can't talk about anything you want no there that that is true matter i i'm not as combative or as honest as Noam I don't think that's it My father was the same way This is my beautiful Well it's the human That I spawned I don't know what he is yet

I don't know what You're beautiful You are so beautiful. Daddy. Yes. Last year, at 2019, I don't know the month or the day.

Yeah. This kid is cute, no question. What? You said that I could watch the new season of Hunter X Hunter. That's what you want to watch? It's time for bed now. But mom... I actually have to go.

I'll come here. He's like a Christmas story. My God. It's so cute. All right. Anyway. Thank you, Manny, for participating.

That's Manny Dwarman. Noam Seven or whatever age he is, son. Nicky, play this podcast to the girls down at the clubhouse, wherever you are. And if they still, if they're interested. Daddy, are we allowed to watch? Yes. And I'm curious to know what they,

if they think they're upset with what I said. I apologize to all of them, please. Okay. So I will. You're going to get a bunch of hits the second this posts, because I'm planning. Listen, if you know them, I don't want nasty comments on YouTube.

No, no, no, no, no, no. Email me. And if they want to come on the show, we can come on the show. Go ahead. Let me filter them. no. Email me. And if they want to come on the show, we can come on the show. Go ahead. Let me filter them before I say yes. But I do not – I know coming away from this that it's going to change people's views from minute 23 of the previous episode that we referred to.

And Danny, Danny, you're lovely. Please keep doing what you're doing. Don't let my viewpoints change you or what you have to say. Please continue to be a voice in a very male mask dominated world. I know we each have a struggle. We each have a path to walk.

I expect to see you at the Marge. You're always welcome here at the House of Jacks. And yes, I will be playing. I love you with all my heart. I'm not sure what the House of Jacks is, but is there food served there? Yes.

I do have a sensitive question about transgender issues. So yesterday I showed Perry L. I found video footage of you tap dancing and singing. Oh, my God. In the wah. Is that something I have to burn? Like, I can't put it up on Facebook?

No, play it. Oh, okay. Play it. Like I prefaced earlier, I am 100% proud of my previous life i think most women who transition trans women transition later in life like yeah that that was me and now this is me and that that happened my daughter doesn't disappear now because like i am who i am right but please play it send it to me i'm kind of scared now nicky jacks the house of jacks is that right nicky yes that that this is okay so this is ballroom culture i am mama nicky nicky jacks

of the house of jacks all you know all these trans children are my children you're always welcome there is food i will cook for you it won't be kosher i guarantee i don't keep kosher nick by the way nicky also wrote a uh a vampire novel he wrote a vampire novel that's available on amazon.com it's called carmella jackson uh something vampire what's it what's the uh yeah carmella jackson manifest vampire you can look that up he wrote she wrote a whole book which is quite an impressive thing for any human to do thank you to write a book you need to write a book no one yeah that's interesting you've never said that to me i'm not gonna write a book i just hope i didn't say the wrong thing on the show tonight

no i meant you've never said okay also for the record anybody that's watching out there if you're part of the lgbt community if you're there, if you're part of the LGBT community, if you're on the spectrum and you've heard what's going on today, I can tell you that Noam is speaking from a position of love and acceptance and nothing he has said to me, either in person or in private, anything I've ever witnessed has ever given me a single scintilla of evidence that he feels nothing but pure acceptance and and and you are welcome at the comedy cell you're welcome at his house be a good person it goes back to the like right yeah well nikki would know because you know when when nikki never told me that the thoughts that she was having and she and she uh but we i mean, I mean, you know, there was nothing secret, whatever I felt.

She knows how I feel about everything. We all kept. Okay, what? Right. I know quite a lot. I know. I've been weird. I know a lot of things. generalizing from my own private feelings about my own sexuality,

which is I'm attracted to and, and, and assuming, and that may, that can be where I get in trouble that I'm not unique in that, that I'm, you know, that that's, that I'm pretty typical of my cohort. I don't think most people spend all day thinking or like anytime, like what is my sexuality? are my gender choices they just accept what life was is this oh that's what teenager okay we gotta go trying to wrap this up okay difficult indeed um we were supposed to we're trying to get glenn miller on here with us nicky but i we can't get in touch with him. Wait a minute, Glenn Miller? I thought he died.

Not the orchestra leader. No, I know who you're talking about. No, he's still alive. She's still alive. Podcast at ComedyCellar.com. Questions, comments, suggestions? Is nobody sending

you emails? I mean, that's... We got one today, but it wasn't much. We got to say it at the top of the show. Alright, I have to go. My daughter has to practice the piano. Thank you, everybody, for coming. Wait, where can we find you guys? Danny, where can people find you?

Danny Cone Comedy on Instagram. And Nicky, where can people find you? At DJ Nicky Jacks on Facebook, Venmo, and Instagram. And Nikki, where can people find you? At DJ Nikki Jacks on Facebook, Venmo, and Instagram. You can find me

by the Midtown Tunnel at night. Thank you for coming. And you can follow us on Instagram at Live From the Table. And next week, we'll be after the election,

I guess. Or next week. Although we're doing a special show on election day. Anyway, thank you're doing a special show on Election Day. Anyway, thank you, everybody. Bye. Bye.

Thank you.