The Comedy Cellar: Live from the Table - Dennis DeYoung and Dave Juskow

Episode Date: July 18, 2020

Former Styx frontman Dennis DeYoung is back with his sixth original solo studio, album "26 East: Volume 1.” He is a singer-songwriter, musician and producer. He is a founding member of the rock band Styx as primary lead vocalist and keyboardist. Dave Juskow is a comedian, writer and actor, perhaps best known for such televisions shows and films as Dr. Katz, Professional Therapist, TV Funhouse, The Sarah Silverman Program and HBO's Crashing.  He is the host of the Podcast, The Nightfly.

You're listening to The Comedy Cellar, live from the Table, the official podcast of New York's world-famous comedy cellar, coming at you on Raw Dog Series XM99 and on the Riotcast Podcast Network. I'm Dan Natterman. I'm with Noam Dorman, owner of the world-famous comedy cellar. Hello, Noam.

Hello, Daniel. We have Perry Alash and Brandon, producer Dave Jeskow, comedy gal comedy seller sort of a regular i don't know how to define him but we'll get into that and we have a special guest legendary musician from a former front man from sticks dennis de young who by the way yes that, that's you, Dennis. Back with his. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's Mike. Hey, know him. I know him anywhere.

I've never heard that. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Yeah. What are you going to do with all those instruments? You play those instruments? Actually, it's a green screen, but I do have, I do play all those instruments. I have, I have, I don't know if you can see, like, I have a bunch of instruments. That's actually my house.

Oh yeah. Look at him. He's going to join Renaissance with his lute. Yeah, yeah. It's an oud. Yeah, that would be, I still like Renaissance actually. The gold records look a little better. And it's, I don't know if you're looking for an oud player, uh, on your next tour.

No, my. Only if he has flowers in his hair. No. Tell us what you're paying. It's not a headband. Dennis, I thought of you because in addition to being a fan of Styx, I saw recently on YouTube you've been posting a little treat for fans. You've been posting some songs that you've been singing from your home.

The Best of Times was the one that I saw. And I think there was another song that you had posted. But are you going to post any more of those? At gunpoint. Let me tell you a story. Here's what happened. You know, some people on my facebook said dennis um we need your music now more than ever they said this and i thought well i prefer a vaccine but okay so um why don't you be like all the other needy celebrities and do something for your

from your house you go hey don't forget about me i still give a shit about you anyway so uh i thought okay um and then somebody said the lyrics from the best of times when people lock their doors hide inside rumor has it it's the end of paradise says well that's not so bad so i just put the this is this ipad best investment i ever made. I just did another thing for a thing. Zoom in. I'm the king of Zoom for some odd reason. And so I put it on the piano.

Piano is out of tune because, have you heard, there's a pandemic. So I do a little bit of best of times. And I think to myself, well, that's sort of horrible. But anyway, I think, well, maybe the fans will like it. I put it up and then it, it trends. So kids, let me just say this. I haven't trended since 1981. And that was because of my mustache. And that, I didn't even invent that.

So anyway, this thing starts, I ended up with like a million, 400,000, no, a million, a million, 40,000, a million. Who cares? Lots. Who am I? Lady Gaga? Lady, Lady Gaga. No, I am not Lady Gaga. So that happened to me. So, you know, I, I, I don't know what to make of it. And honest to God, you kids, you're young. Well, not this guy over here. He looks pretty old, but this one here. Yeah. He's a Dick Van Dyke,

Robin Laura. Yeah, that's right, right. Yeah, I know. Carl Reiner just died. Yeah, that's why I put it up. Lady Gaga got her name from your song, Lady. See, she stole it all. I know, we used to do that joke on stage. We'd just a cappella sing the harmony, Lady, Lady Gaga.

Nothing, I heard nothing from the woman. What? Did she send me? Dennis, you said on actually no there was a video for um for uh show me the way and you uh you said that you had read all of the comments is that true on the best of times video i tried then it got silly these people i don't know what listen look i, I'm 73. Legally, I'm not supposed to be in this business anymore. But nonetheless, here I am. And it was the Sunday. It was posted Saturday. And then it had like 300,000. No, I'm not kidding you. I don't get 300. I went, that's a mistake.

So then he said the comments. I started reading them, and I'm on the couch in my family room, and I started to tear up because I thought, who do these people think I am? They were saying such outrageously beautiful things about me. I kept seeing my name in the sentence, but I thought that's got to be a mistake. You know, an American treasure, God's gift. I thought somebody should have a discussion with God about this because this doesn't sound right to me.

I know who I am. I'm a kid with an accordion who wrote some songs, but nonetheless, people were vulnerable. They poured their hearts out with all these comments i start i got the 5 000 i i wrote i read 5 000 comments and i thought well they like me well listen i'll tell you i mean dan dan's younger than i am i'm class of 80 in high school and you know i can as i'm looking at you i can remember like being in the car in the beginning of come sail away comes in with that little like that on the piano and just the whole car just singing like it just you just connected with that

generation and and you know i don't have that kind of memory of every song at that time and that was a golden age of music on top of it so yeah i can see why people uh are writing your comments this is it you're part of their lives. It's in a very deep way. We were doing concept music at that time when nobody was doing that. And it was your songs mean so much to so many people and it totally holds up. And I assume the new generation is just understanding it now. They could give a shit. By the way,

did you guys ever, did you guys ever play Wonderama? What the heck's that? It was a local show. It was a kids show. Like American bandstand type bands would go on there. For some reason, I have a recollection of that. Here's our manager.

His belief was we should never be on TV. Smart man. Never do any video. Why? But you did. Ask him. I argue with him all the time. So no, it couldn't have been us. We got everything

offered. We did nothing. So no, that never happened. But look, you were talking about uh what were you talking about you was just before that i was talking about how much you connected with people of my you know my age i'm gonna be 58 i'm the same age is it dan is it dan who's young is that well yeah relatively young but i'm 50 but people say i look younger and I would question that anyway um no you do you I thought well let's not talk to Danny he doesn't know anything about me for god's sake but we're you know we're the

thing is we're I just did this brand new album 26 East and here here's the thing you talked about concept albums on this new album my concept was simple it was a concept it was a don't suck because who needs that so we worked really hard me and Jim Peter to write all these songs and it turned out really good but you know what I've learned uh I'm 73 and as I look around the world right now what I've learned is I don't know nothing so um especially with the pandemic I'm going who are these people I used to kind of like human beings. I'm not so sure anymore. Are you?

I'm thinking, what did that guy just say? So the thing is, people come up to me. This is the best part of what I've been doing. This is the truth now, guys. You've come to the wrong person if you want me to bullshit you and give you some stuff about show business. I don't believe in it. But here's what happened to me.

I'm making this new album. And all these people that have come up to me in the last 15 years or so when I'm on the road, they come up to me. They're in 50s, 60s. You know, they're older. And they tell me these stories, just like the comments on Best of Times,

about what an influence I had on their lives personally, how what I did for a living made their life better. You want to talk about a humbling experience because I was never trying to do that. Remember when I was making this music, there were no rock stars that were over 40 years old. And the thought that this would happen being a possibility for me to even consider, I was just trying to kick Aerosmith's ass and clean. That's all I want to do is beat them to a pulp, beat them up to charts. Cause it was, you know, it's competition. That's what we're doing.

And so now you're talking about the luckiest guy in the face of the earth. People tell me honestly, openly, vulnerably what I did to make a living, guys, meant that much to them. I just sometimes I feel like, you know, I don't want to say the word blessed because that implies something, but I was damn lucky. Things like skill and talent to me, but grand illusion alone. I mean, it's powerful.

You know, here's the thing. I always tell people, I talk to you guys, I mean, it's so powerful. I always tell, I talk to you guys, I say, remember this, talent's not enough. People have talent. Wherever you,

you know, watch America's Got Talent. Everyone can do, what that guy's doing over there. He jumped up 70 feet in the air and he landed on the teacup. How did he do that? People got talent.

But you gotta have, you have to have, you guys know, this you got to have, you have to have, you guys know, this year in show business, you have to have such perseverance and such dedication and you've got to want it more than everybody else because everybody else wants it. How has it changed? Okay, the first record

I remember hearing you guys was Lady. Was that your first big hit? So how many hours did it take to record that, start to finish, would you say? Huh? Probably hours. I don't remember because I think I was drunk at the time.

No, I wasn't. I don't remember, honest to God. Here's the thing. That was the first hit record. I didn't know it was Lady when I was recording it. It was a song I'd written. In fact, it was the first song I ever wrote and sang by myself

on a record. So I had no frame of reference. So in other words, mentally, I remember sitting in there playing that piano part until I got it right. But I don't think it took long. I think you did that stuff in a day. You did it right now it could take you to do the same record but another

if you figure that start that was in 1973 and you went up oh i know to the gulf war where i mean if you have a 20-year run as a band that's pretty special that's's rare. It is. To me, we had a lot going for us as a band. We had three writers, three singers. We could sing. Everything we recorded, we could play live. We were good. And we had cut our teeth as a live performer, as so many musicians did in those days.

You had to be able to do that first. You couldn't send in a demo you made in the toilet on your phone. Not possible. And fix everything there on your palm. What do you need? I want more of that. Good. You had to play and sing right there in front of somebody. So we were a very good band. And in my opinion, we're as good as any live American rock and roll band of our day. But really, guys, song is king. I preached all the time I was in the band, all the time we were putting together these records. I said, guys, you know, they're going to forget

that we have tight set and pants on. You know, I had a beard and long hair down there. That's going to go. That goes. What remains is the song. So I focused on trying to get all the very best songs we wrote on the record and to this day i i think i was right because people don't come uh they don't come to see me because they think oh that looks like the guy from 1977 you know they come because they love the songs and they love the singer, singer and songs. This is the magic. That's what I, I preached.

You were right. You were, you were, you were a special live performance group. I mean, it was a big deal to come see you live. You put together shows purposely for live performances that were amazing. You might've even started arena rock, you know, like, I mean, you, you know, the, when you'd sell the big shows were made for your kind of music, the big venues, you know, the garden and all that kind of things. I think, you know, myself and Jeff Rabbits, you guys may know him. He's been Bruce Springsteen's lighting guy for the last 30, 30 some odd years. He was our guy. He was from Chicago.

He's a graduate from Northwestern. He and I, I wanted to take or steal all the best ideas from theater and the scrims and the way this thing goes and bring him into rock. I wasn't the first. I saw Alice Cooper in 73 or four out on the road. And I went, oh my God, there's a Cyclops. Oh my God, look at that. And I was, you know, I wasn't busy watching Judy Garland. I saw Alice do that theatrical thing. I thought it would be so cool because we had little theatrical things. Like the very first time we came on stage when we were snakes, we used to come onto the William Tell Overture with strobe lights. That's pretty pretentious.

Where do you go from there? Up. So, Kep, you know, let's make it this way. Let's do, oh, Snicks is theatrical. Oh, my goodness. I watch Pop Stars today. We look like buskers in the subway compared to what people are doing now. I mean, they got 30 dancers. They got video things and walls and people moving and elephants coming in.

It's beyond believable. Do you think it's better? I don't like when I see a band, like a real band, and they have a lot of dancers and stuff. I just find it distracting. I prefer to watch the Stones standing near each other, you know, relating to each other, and watch a band. I don't like when it's overproduced.

I don't know how you feel about it. Well, that's why you got gray in your beard. But anyway, this is the band. I dyed gray. But he was a pioneer for those kind of things that those guys wouldn't be doing that if it wasn't for Dennis, you know? I mean, he was really a pioneer. I mean, Alice Cooper was probably the pioneer for those kind of shows.

And then, like you said, I mean, really. Wait, wait, wait. I'm interested in my question. So that is because you guys played like a band. You actually prefer to have the dancers and all that stuff? No, are you kidding me? No, what I'm saying is rock is dead. It's been dead for at least a decade.

Yeah. Not because the music's dead or people want to play it or listen to it. radio i have to tell you this you guys make this of your living there's no rock radio in america anymore they made a decision all the kids and i think it's not going to be racist to say white kids because they're the ones that i can say that they're the ones that we don't care popular not famous we know it was you know a combination of things but those white kids now if you watch them here's what i knew things had changed i pull up to a stoplight it might have been 20 years ago and in the old days that would be i don't know who's on there deep purple you name it was it sticks this renegade if you know

with the cranking with the speakers the kid's ears bleeding, he don't care, he thinks he's going to live forever? Suddenly it was rap music. All the people who wanted to rebel against their parents, playing rock music, blah, blah, blah, I think they went over to rap music because it's more rebellious. You know, it's everything that rock maybe stopped being, I don't know. But for me, rock is dead. Admit it. You can't hear it on the radio hardly anyplace. They just released this new album, 26 East.

And I got some airplay, but there's just not enough stations. So where do kids go when they want to rebel? I mean, they're not going to go to Ariana Grande. She's beautiful and wonderful she is. Rap is suiting that need. So for me, all these dancers on stage, I find it, how can I say this gently, nauseating. No, it's not. It's beside the point.

But you and I don't matter, okay? You don't matter. I don't matter I don't matter the public has made a choice because if radio could make money with advertising dollars playing rock and roll you'd be hearing it 24-7 in every place you could go

but for some reason the American public has moved on from rock and roll remember it's lasted over 60 70 years that's a long time for for a musical style and it's turned the page on us and that's just the way it is so kids you can't it's like this i'm going to convince a kid he shouldn't listen to music on his iphone what am i i might as well jump in front of a train you better get on because if you get in front of it it's's going to run you over. And it's the same thing with music.

They've made a decision. And when I talked about your gray beard, I wasn't making fun. I'm saying, well, we believe that because that's our music. That's our music. Let me show you how right you are because I just happened to get a tweet

from somebody today. These are the top five selling rock acts of 2020. Queen, Elton John, Creedence Clearwater Revival, These are the top five selling rock acts of 2020. Queen, Elton John, Creedence Clearwater Revival, Journey, and Fleetwood Mac. Those are the top five selling rock acts in 2020. I mean, time is stints. I was gonna say the same thing.

The only people that are putting out rock music are the people like Green Day and the Foo Fighters. When they put out a new album, that's about all we have left. Foo Fighters are big. They're still big, but yeah. And they're a band band, yeah. Right, but that's where it ends, with those bands,

with those guys who are about our age. I think there's a hunger for, you know, when I look at a YouTube video, and I mostly listen to the older stuff, and I see the comments, a lot of kids saying, wish I were alive in the 80s, wish I were alive in the 90s. Now, I don't know if that's representative of a mass movement. It may be just a small number of people.

But I see those comments, and I wonder if there's any kind of a hunger for that music from people, younger people that aren't getting it, that are going to the old stuff to fulfill their craving for that kind of music. I'd like to believe that, but I don't, because I think the sales figures would, you know, what you're talking about there is people can go back and pick the biggest things of their time. They're tried and true, proven hits, right? And I bet a lot of that stuff is greatest hits records.

There might be i don't know but i'd be guessing okay so you're going to get a uh whatever it is you know like i said i had to i had to break up i almost didn't didn't be i wasn't able to do this interview today because i was i was busy signing downloads and and streams from my new album. So, that's it. You know, they're going to go back. And remember, along with all that great music, there were tens of thousands of crap albums being made too by people. But going back, it's fruitless. The public made a decision.

Let me ask, Sirius XM, right? And by the way, I don't subscribe. I have a not so Sirius XM. Their monthly is less. But for you guys, if Sirius could play brand new rock music and have a 12 share of any market, they'd be playing it. It's financial. Rock and roll. One of the major reasons rock and roll was successful was a numbers game. Here we got all these baby boomers coming of age, right? And all these guys that ran record companies were older and couldn't give, it was Mitch Miller, they didn't care about rock and

roll. But all of a sudden, all the kids had spendable income, my generation, baby boomers. We had dope. Our parents spoiled us here, right? And so these record people said, hey, we can make a fortune off this kid's music. We hate it, right? But let's make a fortune. This is radio. I've made this observation about radio 40 years ago. If there was a radio station

who could get the highest ratings in New York City by playing one song 24 hours a day, they do it. Yeah. They do it because it's a revenue stream. Radio is a business. That station here, and maybe it's all over the country, that plays Christmas music from Thanksgiving to Christmas. I mean, they make a fortune every year on that.

They all do. Is that your uncle's station? Which one? Is that your uncle's station? No. So I have a theory about all that, which is that there are just, and I don't know how you feel about this.

There are magical times of golden ages in various artistic genres and styles and whatever it is. And there was just this period from the late 60s to, seemed like it petered out in the beginning of the 80s of just an amazing series of really innovative, inspired artists, including Styx.

And they themselves ran out of inspiration. Like, I couldn't listen to a Stevie Wonder album after the 80s. I ran out of Paul McCartney. They all kind of lost it for me after a while, not because I was less interested. And it floundered around until Nirvana came along and that was like a breath of fresh air.

And then we're out in the pastures again, we're out in the desert again. And until somebody comes along with a new take on it, it's kind of been exhausted in a way. I don't know how you feel about that. It's an excellent observation. I think there's some good points there, but here it is. There's no radio.

I don't care if somebody writes Abbey Road, or Houses of the Holy tomorrow, it isn't going to matter. Because it's a business. It's the music business. Without the business, the music, that doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter. I think people are trying to do that.

They're trying to write the next whatever it is, Sgt. Pepper, whatever. Nirvana is your thing? Okay, me? I'm going to create some controversy for you guys now. Are you ready? Get your ready so I can get hate mail. It smells like teen spirit.

That song and that video are monumental. Okay? First time I saw it and I saw it and heard it at the same time, never heard the song. And I looked at that video and I said, they've captured the zeitgeist right there. That's Pink Floyd's The Wall for people who like flannel. That's what I thought when I saw it. And I said, okay, that's got to be it. And you know what's better than the song? The video. Yeah. Well, it's so interesting.

The video, it inspired an entire group of young people. Oh, we can be part of this because just before Nirvana, you know, I had guys putting too much lipstick on. That's right. You know what I mean? The number one song in 1989, a year before Nirvana, when people were starving for something like Nirvana, was Chicago, Look Away.

Do you remember that horrible song from Chicago 19? The Chicago 19 album? I think they're friends. But I'm saying that song was not their best. And that was number one and number two it was millie vanilli this was not a good year for music no even though it was good this is so this is so interesting what you said because almost everybody i know can remember the first time they heard and saw smells like teen spirit that's right it's kind of like it's what it just

grabbed everybody which is exactly my point like you can't that can't be coincidence they they and if they hadn't come along rock would have remained floundering until they did it it requires a certain innovation that's what hip-hop wasn't and maybe it'll never happen again maybe it's been exhausted but right now there's nothing exciting really you know except except except staying dennis de young is it is it a sticks album or dennis young album his sixth original solo album is coming out called 26 east volume one so i want to i want to segregate that from everything else i'm saying about music today because uh uh i love him i like him a lot. It's good. But he said the thing.

I apologize. I didn't realize it was a solo album. You're not doing albums with Styx anymore? I've been in the band for 20 years. Oh, I didn't know that. I'm so sorry. I don't think him and Tommy get along too well. Ah.

I feel like a jackass now. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yeah, it's okay. We'll have to resuscitate it after the commercial break. Oh. So do you miss? Here's what you guys, here's what you should have done

to have me on. There is a song called With All Due Respect. Is it Periel? Yes, sir. Yeah, go on YouTube and watch it for a second. Put your headsets on. Tell them how they missed the boat on this damn thing. Okay? So it's called

With All Due Respect. This is for you guys. It's your wheel wheelhouse it would have been something to talk about because i'm attacking the news media in this country and it goes like this the hook is well with all due respect you are an asshole that's the book and i i just gave it away because you haven't listened to it but you'll laugh and the lyrics will get you. But yes, this is my solo album. Yes, I've been touring since 2000 as Dennis DeYoung, because Michael Jackson's name was already taken.

And I haven't been in the band since 1999. That's a fact. But getting back to Nirvana, here's the heresy. I don't connect with anything else they did. Sorry. I mean, maybe not for me. I love that song. I've given it props, right?

It's fantastic. The video is great. The rest of it, I go, I'll take Pearl Jam. That's me. No, I love it. I'll take i'll take sound garden if you're gonna go you know you know like that what was it uh uh flannel makes me itch that's another album but um you see what i mean yeah that's what i think about nirvana i said well yeah they they were the ones that flipped the

door open but you know for me i like some of the other stuff better probably the number one number one grunge which isn't even grunge black hole son oh yeah chris cornell is amazing yeah and then and then jeremy or a bunch of the other stuff and you know anyway that's enough who cares about what i people are gonna write and say this is the asshole that wrote mr roboto for crazy dennis i i heard billy Billy Joel once saying that he couldn't, I don't know how he phrased it, but he said he couldn't tell a hit song if it bit him in the ass or whatever he said.

But he said he just didn't know when he wrote a song whether it was going to hit or not. Did you, when you wrote Come Sail Away, were you thinking to yourself, you know what? I think this just might blow up? Or any of your other big songs. I mean, did you have a sense that they were going to be big or you had to wait and see?

Can I play a little of it? Sorry, Dan. Play a little. What are you playing? I'm going to a desert. I'm going to a desert. This is 20 days. Fake truth.

Fake lie. You. You're saying this? I'm a TV talk show. Fake truth, fake lie. You, you saying this? of these produced in ruby red and royal blue watch out these corny

sente hot dogs good vocals yeah your voice is amazing still listen to the hook let it go play the hook

okay Dennis hasn't lost anything vocally and you just you got a guy who looks like Tommy Shaw on the back. I see. With all due respect You make me sick With all due respect Plug up your pipe

With all due respect You don't deserve no damn respect Hey, that's good. Awesome! That's great. Fantastic. You sound so good. Those background vocals are killer, too.

I'm just saying, you know, news media, what it is, it's these cable TV shows and news in general has become entertainment in the worst possible sense in that they are arms of political parties. And they look right into the camera and tell you that it's a news station. in the worst possible sense, in that they are arms of political parties. And they look right into the camera and tell you that it's a news station. You just know it's not. And they're ruining our country because they're dividing us in ways that we wouldn't normally be divided. Why? For cash. That's what they're trying to do.

Trying to sell advertising. We'll put these maniacs over here and these maniacs over there, and we'll get them in a ring and start smacking at each other. And we, consumers of this, think, well, things are worse off than they ever have been. People hate each other everywhere. I don't believe it. But if you get a steady diet of that long enough, you're going to start to change. You will fundamentally change as a human being. And it's a disgrace to our nation. And with all due respect, there's a song about that. Well, you've always had messages like that in your song, like Mr. Roboto.

That was, I mean, that whole album was a message about what was happening, right? Well, I mean, I think the message was just don't try this. But the message was in the lyrics of Mr. Roboto when he says, the problem's plain to see, too much technology and machines to save our lives. Of course, they were machines to humanize. And everybody went, what did he say? I don't care. I want to go, domo regato, mister.

That's all they wanted to do. So here's what you do. Don't hide a message in something that's catchy. Did you write that song? Did you write Mr. Roboto? Who is this guy? He has guitars. No, but was it you, the writer?

You said there were three writers in the band. Were you the writer of the song? He wrote that one, yeah. You wrote that one. He doesn't like to talk about it. I want to know how you came up with it. How did you come up with Don't Make Me Regatta, Mr. Roboto? What was the inspiration?

You're wrong. I love to talk about that song. When somebody says Don't Make Me Regatta, what do you think? Mr. Roboto. Of course, I wish I had 10 more like that. I wrote that. Do you remember where you were, how it came to you? I think I was constipated you're not gonna get it listen if you know the story is so long

you're gonna you'll just go I hate this guy here it is no it's a song that was written as the transitional piece for a live presentation, a rock theater piece where a movie tells the backstory for 12 minutes in front of all these teenagers. Try that sometime. And then the last scene in the movie is the first scene on stage. That song was written only to make that transition. And then people said, that's pretty catchy. So what it boils down to is Mr. Roboto has gone on to have a life of its own. If I wrote 10 more like that, I'd buy Sirius XM myself. That tour was amazing, though.

And it's to a concept album that I'm not going to bore you with, but they have a thing called Google. You can look it up. But I wrote some of the top ten hits for six. Babe, Lady, Best of Times, Come Sail Away, Mr. Roboto. What am I leaving out? Two others, whatever they are. Don't Let It Throw Me Away.

And then Grand Delusion, I wrote that. Lorelei. Lots of stuff you would know. But Tommy Shaw wrote some great songs too. It was a band. We worked together. We brought the best out in each other. He helped me with my songs.

I helped him with his, J.Y. It was a thing. You know, groups are not supposed to be parsed up in, oh, I like that guy because he wrote that one. Shut up. Everybody, George Harrison, when he went, oh, I like that guy because he wrote that one. Shut up. Everybody, George Harrison, when he went to India, we thought, what's he doing? Okay. But we still had John and Paul.

So, and Ring. So that's my take on that. So just getting quickly back to my previous question, because getting back to the hits, did you have any sense that these were big hits when you wrote them? Babe, Lady, Come Sail Away, things that seemed to me undeniable, but maybe they were deniable.

And I just, in retrospect, find them to be undeniable. Well, politically speaking, as we know now, everything's undeniable. You can deny anything. What? So I'm writing these songs.

The only reason I do what I do as a creative person is not to stand in front of tens of thousands of people and have them you know cheer me that's lovely don't get me wrong uh it's everyone's every performer's dream because remember i'm like you uh apparel i'm just trying to please my mom and dad. That's all I'm trying to do here. That's all you're doing. All these guys sitting in this room, same shit, all the same. You think, which one didn't give me enough love? Was it mommy or daddy? I got to work really hard and be ambitious so they love me more. Not going to work. Not going to ever happen. But that was what drove me. So when I sat down to write a song, the joy of it all is this the moment of creation because everything after that is awful you're sitting at that piano your guitar wherever you are and you do something

and you go god that's you get that feeling maybe the chills you go oh my god maybe sometimes you'll tear up because you said you've connected to the truth in yourself about something in your nature. Because all I've ever done is this. I look around, because I'm an accordion player originally. That's how I started. I look around for some chords I like. Then I find some notes that seem to work nice on the chords and then stick words on them. That's all I do. And then I give my point of view about my personal feelings

and the world I see around me, hoping you will find yourself in my song. And when I do, that's success. Because when people come up to me and tell me how much my music has changed their lives, because it's not my music anymore, it's theirs. They've taken what I feel and I've written and it now belongs to them. Don't tell me that's not how you feel about your favorite songs. Those songs you feel are about you, about the way you feel, the way you think. And that's all any of us do. So when I'm writing a song, most of the time, I know it's hit record. I didn't know Lady because I'd never written one. And I swore up and down Roboto was never going to be a hit record. And my wife made me a bet for a three-carat diamond because she said it's going to be a hit record.

So she's got one. But the truth of the matter is, you know, my wife, you don't know this, but we've been married 50 years, my wife and I. Wow. Oh, God. I had a baby daughter and a wife before I had a record deal. So I came at this from a different point of view. By the way, first of all, the accordion, I mean, I know you know this, Dennis, but most people don't realize this. The accordion is a beautiful instrument. It's one of the most expressive instruments of all instruments. And as you're saying it to me, I'm thinking, it sounds like an accordion melody. You couldn't really play that on the piano,

but you need the long notes. Right? Am I wrong? I think you're right. And I've oftentimes said that my synthesizers just sounded like a giant accordion to me. But accordions are based in melody, okay? And I'm a melody man in a rhythm age. I've always felt that about myself. My songs are predominantly based in melody, and keyboard players tend to do that. Guitar players, it's more of a rhythmic instrument. So, yeah, I think those long passages

and you hear all the trills that I play on the piano, that's an accordion player playing piano. That's not a piano player. That's an accordionist. And then the ultimate question you have to ask any prolific singer-songwriter, which comes first, the music or the lyrics for you um predominantly music because i'm a musician first so i will gravitate toward finding the chords finding the notes and then you know attach lyrics but sometimes you sometimes a phrase will pop into your head, and then you go and see, what is the melody on that? And then you just construct it, because songwriting is a craft.

Nobody understands it. It's a mystery. Nobody knows why you could write this genius piece of music and then write crap after crap or mediocrity. It's every songwriter will tell you the same story. I always say I have a piano upstairs that's got some really good songs in it, but I have to sit behind it for the longest time before they fall out of there. Who were the guys in the late 70s or, you know, from when you guys hit who used to just, you to just bug the shit out of you. You would have butterflies in your stomach when they had a new album coming out

because they were just so fucking good that it would give you anxiety. Who were the guys like that? Nobody. No, because you've got to think you're good. If you don't think you're good, stay home. And you think, okay, are you kidding me?

I can do that. I'm better than that. That's the way you have to think. Although one time I remember thinking to myself, I was watching Friday night videos, and Bohemian Rhapsody came on. And I looked at it and I said, uh-oh. That's what I meant.

Holy shit, right? But listen, let's be honest. Queen never did anything that approached that again. They did not. They're wonderful. Bohemian Rhapsody is like from God. You listen to it. It doesn't have a lyric that makes sense,

which is why music is more important than lyrics. But there you go. I heard that and went, God, shit. Now what? But no, you do. And the video, ding, ding. I'd never even seen that stuff before.

I think this is a trick. A dirty, rotten trick. You mentioned one of the factors of success, not just talent, but desire. You were, I guess, a music teacher prior to your first, You mentioned one of the factors of success, not just talent, but desire. You were, I guess, a music teacher prior to your first big hit. Were you going to that school and thinking, I got to get the hell out of here. I got to be a star.

I don't want to see these kids ever again. Or were you to be a music teacher if that was going to be your life? No, I had a wife and a daughter had responsibilities i graduated from college and i got offered the job we were looking for the record deal and the first album was recorded while both chuck and i the bass player who was a music art teacher we were teaching so we recorded the album at night. So, yeah, I mean, I liked teaching. It was okay. But, you know, I wanted to be in the Beatles. The moment I saw them in 1964 on Ed Sullivan,

we had formed a band, the Penazzo Brothers and myself, in 1962. In my basement, 26 East, the name of my new album is the address of that house. Oh, wow. So, since this is my new album, is the address of that house. Oh, wow. So this is my last album. Where it begins, so shall it end, all that stuff, which is why I have a song on. You can see both of these videos.

Perry, I'll do your homework for these guys. They're like, I think one of them's drunk. Is he still okay? There's a song called To the Good Old Days, which basically ends my album. It's a song called to the good old days which basically ends my album it's a duet with Julian Lennon can you imagine? from a 17 year old kid who saw the Beatles on Ed Sullivan to end up doing his last record and singing a duet with Jules it was it was just you, it was a marvelous thing that happened to me.

That's awesome. All right. Are we, could we, I have more musical questions, but I don't want to, Perry, are we, we have a few more minutes? That's up to Dan. Can I ask you a couple more questions because I'm a music nerd? Yeah.

I'm very'm very entertaining, but there's some more people. That's enough of that guy, so let's go. No, no. I want to... Question mark. You guys, in the old days,

you didn't record with click tracks, right? Yes, from 1979 forward. Everybody started doing it, but the first eight albums, no click. And how would you describe the difference in how it affected the music to play with it and without it? And why do you do it? You know, it's a good question. That is a good question.

I think, you know, today music is so manipulated by Pro Tools and any other device. You can put everything in time, everything in tune. To this day, I won't allow myself to do that when I record. If I can't stand in there and do it, even if it takes me 25, 30 takes, then I should go back to Barber College. That's my view for a living. But the click tracks were nice for long songs, you know,

because to stay at perfect time for a long period of time, it takes great skill. And I don't mind playing to a click, but you can't. They can do things now. It's called put it on a grid. But you can, you know, put a thing in. And that's what's wrong with records. They don't sound real.

They can be very well done. Don't get me wrong. They're well done. Billie Eilish, you know, that's well done for what that is. But the thrill of standing in a room and watching somebody do something they spent countless hours to perfect. To me, that's where human beings should aspire. They should say, this is what I can do. And I'll tell you, I go back now,

I listen to some of the isolated tracks, like Beatle isolated tracks on YouTube. They have the isolated tracks of the Something in the Way She Moves, you know, the George Harrison song. And if you go back and listen to it, that bridge speeds up. I mean, it clearly speeds up. And then they relax back into listen to it, that bridge speeds up. I mean, clearly speeds up.

And then they relax back into the tempo again for the verse. And I listen to that. I'm saying, you know, if they had actually recorded that with a click, it wouldn't feel the same. It would be stiff. It would just be different. It just couldn't be the same. It wouldn't sound like a band.

I like you better now than when you didn't know I wasn't in Styx. Listen to Come Sail Away. The chorus speeds up. But in those days, that was a trick a lot of bands used, was when the hook came in, the drummer says, let's kick it up a little bit because, you it's a lift yeah so in the way if you if you put a click on the on the on the verses when it comes boom it takes off and that's very natural yeah well that's it yeah if you watch orchestras and the conductor there there's nobody going here's the metric no it's human beings learning to play together. It's the most natural thing in the world when you come to something exciting to speed up a little bit. It's all part of the same thing.

And when they compress that, they kill something in a lot of music to me, especially rock music. I've always felt that. Well, I'm sure if you call Jodi Glissman, Jodi Best, she set this up. Pretty sure, yeah. She'll send you my album. You can listen to it. You know, was it done to click? Yeah, most of it.

There are parts that are done, you know, where I'll just play and try to get a feel. But ultimately, with the way records are done today, my musicians are all over the United States. And it doesn't become cost effective to bring anybody in for a period of time because you can't make any money off making rock records anymore. There's no money to be had because you guys know this.

You know the definition of a schmuck? What's that? Somebody who pays for something they can get for free and that's music Just Gal's a musician too come on Dave I'm sure you have your music

I don't know if you saw Dave just put out a I sent it to him a video where he's singing Summer Highland Falls Summer Highland falls, summer Highland falls with images of the comedy seller. Dennis,

the comedy seller is where we usually work when there's not a pandemic. It's a comedy club here in Manhattan. And so Dave singing summer Highland falls with, I say that these are not the best of times, but they're the only time that Billy Joel song. Did you see the video now? Yeah, I saw it. It made me cry. Oh Billy Joel song. Did you see the video now? Yeah, I saw it. It made me cry.

Very sentimental. Thank you. But I don't want to bother Dennis with that. We have vocalists here among us. I'm going to tell you something else, Dennis. This might flatter you. So when I first started, I used to own the Cafe Juan in Manhattan in the 90s. And I used to audition a lot of musicians. And people would come in at least three, four times a year, and they were

doing you. Like they would sing like you, they would write like you, they were totally like trying to, to steal your aura or your essence, you know? And there's very few people who ever had that effect on musicians that I can see. Like people would come in and want to be Hendrix. I want to be McCartney, you know? And I can remember there was one guy,

Dean Bohanna. I still remember his name. He wanted to be you, you know? So I, that's really, you know, that should make you very proud,

honestly, as, as as as someone watching it yeah it's lovely but i'll need their name so i can have them executed he couldn't he couldn't actually be you he was so captivated with that but that's why it's amazing that your voice is still so good did you ever smoke cigarettes were you a cigarettes guy because i'm always amazed how some of these singers like like a Billy Joel, smokes. Sinatra. And his voices hold up, right? And their voice holds up. It's not even fair.

Well, that's a good question when you're done with the voice conversation. Go ahead, Perrie. You say what? Perrie Lashenbrand, everybody. Well, I've done a good deal of my homework, Dennis, and I'm really curious how someone who has such an incredibly long and strong history of being in the kind of limelight and rock and roll life that you have has managed to stay married for 50 years. That's the best question of all. Well, I didn't have the nerve to ask it. It's really simple.

You don't get divorced. And when problems arise, you have to figure out that you're... Have you noticed we're human beings? We're not very good at anything when it comes right down to it. I told you, have you noticed we're human beings? We're not very good at anything when it comes right down to it. I told you, I'm fed up with human beings. Their behavior is too crazy. Maybe just because now we can see it

everywhere all the time on the thing or over there. I don't like them. I'm doing the way with most of them. But when two people get together, do they think it's happily ever after? What a load of horseshit that is. That's the grand illusion. Human beings figure out a way between them to get along through lots of craziness

that's going to take place in anybody's lifetime. But if you love somebody, I met my wife. She's 15. I was 17. Wow. And together 56 years. And, you know, I wish I could define it, but you have to be willing to forgive people for being stupid asses. And understand that the most important thing, at least it was to me, we have very similar backgrounds.

I'm half Italian, she's half Italian. We're both Catholic, raised Catholic. We have a lot of belief systems that are the same. But ultimately, Periel, here's the secret. Jesus Christ, I love the way she smells.

Oh. As far as I know him here's the secret jesus christ i love the way she smells oh no i'm and his wife have very little in common so we're all keeping our fingers crossed like the way she's my doctor told me that the secret to to a successful long marriage is usually the woman the woman being forgiving and and patient with the man. That's his take on it. Remember, he met his wife before he became any famous. It's a miracle that I don't even think I've ever heard that story. Yeah. I think Bono, I think, has a similar story. Well, Howard Stern had that story, but then he, you know, eventually. Yeah, exactly.

Among musicians, I believe Bono is a similar story, but I need to research that. But I'm pretty sure he met her very young, wasn't famous yet, and has been with her ever since. So it can happen. You know, she doesn't care. I mean, she cares if I'm successful. She wants it for me. But she's grounded me.

I have two children. We raised them on the road, both of us. Yeah, we did. We traveled together from 1976 to the current. She's in my band. She sings on stage now. She never did before. And my son is my LD.

It's an unusual situation. I'm proud of it. Yeah, it's amazing. You know what you want to do right now, Mario? This is over. You go look at To the Good Old Days. You're going to love it. You want to know why?

Because of the pandemic, Julian ends up in Europe, and I end up in my aunt's attic. So I have to come up with an idea. It's the first thing in the video. So I went and I got all my Super 8s and BHSs and old photographs. Remember, I was born in 47. So I got stuff. And we made a video that shows you my life story from the guy who's not on stage,

from the guy behind the Grand Illusion. And I think you're going to love it. You'll see my wife, my kids, my parents. Oh, I'm going to watch it. That's great. You'll see the early, the three guys who started the band in 1962 as kids with our accordions

and our black tuxes and our bow ties. And so go watch it. It'll make you feel good. Wow. Oh, that's wonderful. It'll make you feel good. Wow. Oh, that's wonderful. Guys, this is not a story for people who like rock and roll. This is not a story. They want a drug addict.

They want a guy who's divorced. They want a guy who's doing blow off of you know what. They want a guy who's leading the life that they think they'd like to be able to. You know what? If they did for 10 minutes, they what it what a horrible thing that is bruce springsteen's also his life is is not uh what you just described i just read his autobiography which was very very good i thought but he doesn't have any of those stories about the blow and this and the hook he i mean he was married twice but he had long relationships and he avoided drugs

and pretty straight, narrow kind of a guy. That's why you need a Tommy Shorty to even things out. You have the perfect band. But all the lawyers, please listen.

He said that. All right. Listen, we got, we got to wrap it up. We're at an hour. Oh, man.

Yes, we've had it. We have comedians on, and Dennis bested many of them with his zingers, I must say. Yeah, and it was an honor to meet you. Dennis has a comedian stand-up comic in him waiting to get out if he's interested. It certainly sounds that way, right?

You don't understand this. The first person I wanted to be as a child, as a kid, well, I wanted to be the center fielder for the White Sox. But the first, my recollection is I want to be Jerry Lewis. I wanted to be Jerry Lewis. I love Jerry Lewis. Lady, pretty

lady. Alright, everybody. You have been so wonderful. Once again, his sixth original solo album, solo studio album is coming out called 26 East Volume 1. Please download it and check it out.

Dennis DeYoung. Go ahead, Perry. You want to say something? I didn't mean to. Quickly, podcast at comedyseller.com for comments, suggestions, and all podcast at comedy seller.com for comments, suggestions, and all that sort of stuff. And Dennis, is there any place in particular you'd like to send fans and new

fans and to, to check out on your work? Anything in particular that you'd like to plug? Yeah. Send it to the CDC. We need them. The album's been out since May. I don't know. It's been out a while. You can buy it wherever they buy the – well, you can steal it wherever they steal these

things these days. Go there. Look at it. Go to YouTube. It's free. People are having hard times. Watch for free. You'll be entertained.

You'll enjoy it. I have a Facebook page and no stooges, no bots. I write everything on there. I don't write constantly because, you know, what am I going to be on Twitter? Forget about it. But I think we should find Dorsey. I want to have a word with that guy. He needs a good talking to. I don't understand it. I mean, does every thought by human being need to be expressed? Stop this. All right. Young people, go check out Styx if you're not familiar with them.

You know, you might find it. And get yourself an accordion. It's a very, very good instrument. You know, it really is. It's always, if you break out, get outside the box and learn an instrument that you don't hear every day, it might inspire you to play some music that people haven't heard.

No? Yeah. Okay. I'm saying goodnight. Goodnight, everybody. Thanks again, Dennis. Goodnight. Bye, Dennis.

Thank you. Bye, Dennis. Bye, Dennis. Thank you. night good night everybody thanks again thank you bye dennis thank you dave bye dennis thank you dave do you want to say where we can find you oh just you know an instagram at dave jesco and uh boy it was really exciting to uh meet dennis de young i gotta say for real i mean we didn't get to talk to you uh one-on-one very much oh that's all right i mean this was way better i mean this was great. Thank you for having me on on a day like today. I mean, I really, really kind of worshiped that guy,

and it was an honor to meet him, and he was really funny, too. He was coming on, and I don't think Perry L. knew that you would be good with him, but it just worked out that way. Oh, I certainly did know. How could I not have? Well, I was telling Dan on Monday, I said, you know, interesting about those guys is that uh during the gulf war uh it was sticks that kind of got everybody through the

gulf war because they had just written this song which was helping america which was um the one every night i say a prayer with the hopes that there's a... And then Tommy Shaw was in this band, Damn Yankees, which all the troops were listening to overseas with that song. Can you take me high enough? So it's like kind of those two guys like helped America through a rough time. I didn't know that him and Tommy had beef, but you apparently... Oh, yeah. Oh, it's legendary, though. I mean, everybody knows.

I mean, that's... Yeah. I mean, that happens. I mean, you know, I mean, that's yeah. I mean, what I mean, that happens. I mean, you know, I mean, it's amazing that they had this 20 year run. It's very rare. And so many hits. And again, this guy invented he was so prolific. And it was all mostly his doing with the the way he like, like he said about Alice Cooper. It's the perfect example alice cooper kind of invented music videos on stage like he was really trying hard to be more the production value of a concert and then sticks took it to a total other level which now people try to do in concert you know or at least they did for a while before they brought it back because i saw the weekend you know that guy in concert and he brought it back the opposite way just saying stand in the middle of the arena and just sang all night with no dancers no instruments it was fantastic but like sticks you know he needed to bring it up to bring it back down and they they were like you know pioneers in that thing it was amazing that time with them and foreigner and you know all those kind of bands i mean they're so so cool. Boston was kind of like that. Yeah, right, Boston.

Yeah, I just saw Boston open up for Joan Jett over the last summer. Oh, wow, really? Yeah, I'm friends with the lead guitarist in Joan Jett, so we go see her all the time. But Boston was opening for Joan Jett? They switch off, apparently. Well, the main guy died right was it brad delp yeah he died which is the same because his voice was unbelievable and it

wasn't as good without him there's a there's a problem it does the songs don't work as well but again him and uh what's his name shots uh tommy, no, not Tommy, I'm thinking of Tommy Schatz, Schatz is his name, the guy that writes all the songs. Yeah. Which doesn't make any sense because it was very clear that this guy wrote all the songs. And he was like, I think he was jealous of the guy's voice because he didn't sing. So, I mean, this is just the way bands. Tom Schultz. Tom Schultz.

Tom Schultz. It was Tom. Okay, yeah. I mean, what he would do and, you know, with his guitars, I mean, he was amazing too. But, yeah, I mean, just bands, just, I don't know, you know, I mean, let alone we know about the Beatles and all that kind of stuff. People just, it's hard to get along.

Everybody's got different ideas. They end up breaking up eventually. That's why U2 is amazing. I actually think those guys get along. Well, they're outliers because like i said i just looked it up like uh bono met his wife like in school in my high school or middle school and you know yeah what a story that is that's i mean to meet your wife before you become famous and rock and roll it should be right he's on the road with his wife and his kids. I mean,

he said he met his wife when she was 15, 15. Right. But it's like, that should be celebrated. But he's right. We celebrate the other stuff. It's so funny.

Yeah. But yeah, then I was thinking about what I was saying about Chicago. I don't know whether, I mean, it's a fact that that was the, the band Chicago hates that they look away was their number one song of all time.

It was after Peter Cetera left and everything. And that was the number one song. I was just looking this up last week in 89. The people were starving for Nirvana. You know, it's like they had to, the music had to change. If you look at the top 10 songs of 1989, you'll see like they're like something needed to go. And then it was amazing how Nirvana just changed everything. And Noam was so right that we're just in this abyss right now like waiting for

somebody to deliver like an oasis or something that makes a difference in music you know and that's what Dennis was saying too it's just there's nothing happening it's all the same we need we need another Beatles to change things around me think about before the Beatles. There was like Mozart. Sinatra and, you know, those crooners, I guess. Yeah, exactly. And then just, I mean, the Beatles just changed everything. And there hasn't been a change like that until Nirvana.

So it's almost at the 30-year mark where we're ready. That change is coming. It's going to be exciting. Maybe it'll come after COVID. It makes a lot of sense. we're ready that change is coming it's going to be exciting i don't know who it's going to be that's uh it makes a lot of sense you know i'm surprised it didn't change really after september 11th like music didn't there was a couple of cool things coming out in 2000 and then it stopped and then it just like didn't really go anywhere you know i mean like i said the green day and and weezer and the food fighters are still

putting out new albums but they're still old school you know i mean they came out in the 90s but they're the last of the rock and roll people right um why don't we uh wrap it up and uh dave are you going to be down at the olive tree just i was there last night david tell and russ meneve and nick griffin and we had i I saw that on Facebook if you think about it next time you're down there you shoot me a text or not but you know we hung out Monday so I didn't mind you know I didn't feel guilty about

not being there we've never done two days in a row before so I don't know we don't need to you know push things but I had a really good time on Monday together with you. Where did you guys go? We just were on a roof with some friends having a drink. Doing anything that kind of normal is stupid as it is,

just even having dinner on the street. I mean, first of all, they should close off, the mayor should close off McDougal Street between 3rd and Bleecker to traffic. That's a street that needs to be blocked off. If you're going to eat out on the street, it's too tight as it is. You know what I mean? So what does it feel? Really crowded?

I haven't been there in months. It's a disaster. It's not good. Even sitting outside is a disaster? A lot of very aggressive homeless people, you know, a lot of foot traffic and a lot of car traffic, which makes things very difficult, obviously, when you're eating. You know, where I live, like on 2nd Avenue,

where they now built those bike lanes so the cars park even further onto the street, so the tables are really into the street. You know, it's just dangerous. You know, who knows? I mean, you know, right now we're not dealing with a lot of traffic and stuff and crazy people because the bars are closing down early. But I don't know.

I get nervous when I'm sitting outside. And when we went to Little Italy two weeks ago, me and Dave, Atel, and Russ, the people were sitting in the much smaller streets there, and they had to keep moving to people's tables and their food because two garbage trucks couldn't get by.

Oh my God. That's disgusting. What a disgusting nightmare. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of fun eating outside. Plus the weather has been perfect. I worry about when it gets too-

Right. Or when it's, you know, too cold and we- Right. Well, hopefully by then you'd figure maybe

we'll open up a little. But I worry about the – I mean, we've been very lucky. There hasn't been a lot of humidity. It's been cool nights. So everybody's been able to make a little bit of money. I worry about when it gets really hot where nobody wants to sit outside. It's not nice, baby. So I got to – but, yeah, speaking of food, I got to get some neat.

I have a neat meal. Well, you know, I am opening for GAF again on Saturday in Pennsylvania. I did it on Sunday at the racetrack. You know, we're doing drive-in shows where everybody sits in their car and we're just performing to really, it feels like nobody. Everybody looks like they're bombing. I'm used to that, so I did really well. But no, it's really awkward.

It's so, people flash their lights if they like what you're talking about and are you on stage with like a paycheck it's a paycheck yeah am i stage what afterwards you hang out and it's fun i always enjoy the afterwards part of comedy anyway more than the performance but that's not a thing anymore yeah well perry i'm sorry what were you saying just is there a mic and sound and stuff oh yeah yeah there's a stage and a mic and sounded two big screens so everybody can see and it's simulcast on the radio just like a drive-in movie but it's you know and it's not you know it's like four people a car and uh it's just really weird but i think people are so desperate to do anything even

if they're not together because they're not outside just knowing that there are other people next to them i think that's how desperate we are that's amazing though you had 4 000 people 4 000 people i want to come at gas in pennsylvania you don't want to go there gaffigan's an earner He sure is Yeah they love him 4,000 people during a pandemic I mean it was very Like an open field

It's a parking lot I mean this is the racetrack I always go to And they have this huge parking lot And they mainly only use it one day a year For the Haskell which is this Saturday Normally just not that many people come to the track Any but it was packed. You couldn't see the cars over like the horizon like you don't see so far and the video only and the sound only goes halfway and that's why people had to turn on their radios at the back

end. He has a video like a drone where you could see it go backwards and see all the cars. Thank you for so much for having me on that That was so funny. Oh my God, Dave, we love having you. I can't wait to Facebook him. So Instagram, what's our Instagram, Barry L? At Live From The Table. All right, everybody, we will see you next time. Thanks for inviting me. Bye.

Bye.