The Comedy Cellar: Live from the Table - Dov Davidoff

Episode Date: January 21, 2022

Dan Naturman and Periel Aschenbrand with Dov Davidoff.  His numerous television appearances include  Hustlers, Crashing, Shades of Blue. He is a regular at The Comedy Cellar.   

🎵 This is Live from the Table, recording at the world-famous Comedy Cellar. Coming at you on SiriusXM 99, Raw Dog, and on the Laugh Button Podcast Network. This is Dan Natterman. With me, Periel Ashenbrand, our producer, who is also an on-air personality. Things evolved in that direction, and it's kind of too late to turn back now. We also

have with us Dov Davidoff, comedy cell irregular, also has been on the podcast many, many times. I do want to mention that Noam Dorman is not here for reasons unknown. We hope it's nothing serious. It likely is not. Noam will drop this podcast

for any reason. He's really not committed to it. What a great intro. Well, those who are long-time listeners know that Noam's devotion to this podcast is questionable at

best. One wonders why he does it every week. In any case, welcome, Dove. Yes, sir. And Dove, by the way, let me introduce you to Nicole Lyons, who is our sound person, I guess. Hello, Nicole. Audiologist. Hello.

Is that what they call it, an audiologist? That's what I call it. I like that. I think an audiologist is when you go to the doctor and they go beep, and you raise your left hand, and beep, and they raise your right hand. It's an audiology exam. I think that's what an ollie ollie an ollie ollie income for ollie ollie income freed um in any case uh nicole is this the first time you've met dove um maybe just once casually on the pod but other than that i don't think now sure i haven't

i can't nicole doesn't say a lot she prefers just to be behind the scenes. Of course, and she is actually behind them physically. But if you have a question, Nicole, you can feel free to ask. Dove, it's been a minute, as they say, as the kids say. As the kids say, a minute. But you never know what they mean by that. Well, a minute depends on the context. Context in how you're saying it and the relationship therein. Right.

If you see somebody every day and you haven't seen them in two days, you might say it's been a minute. It could be a minute. But it has been a minute since you've been on this podcast. Podcast, yeah. Can you keep us up or get us up to speed on the life of— Up to speed! Up to speed! You know, listen, I don't know.

I mean, I can't just wander on about people that we know in common because Dan and I have known each other a long time. But, you know, in terms of what might be engaging to a viewer, I mean, you know, I've been on the road, but I've been seeing somebody much younger than I am. I'm 48 and she's 22. And I didn't go looking for somebody of that of that uh um vintage um but but in in experiencing the kind well in having the consideration around what people where judgment

is generated around that gap and how i would feel if it were somebody i knew that were much older seeing someone younger um I don't know I mean we can't how do you how do you guys want to initiate the conversation it's like one I would imagine people see in the liability column as if you are the manipulative type then you have that much more leverage experience and wisdom in in in which to use to manipulate and or whatever it is that you're into. On the other hand, one could make an argument for it being reasonably healthy if you have your shit together and, you know, you've been in therapy and read some books and you're a reasonably decent person.

You know, would it be better if a 22-year-old were dating a 25-year-old skateboarder with an opiate problem? I mean, what is necessarily better about dating in one's... So-called age appropriate. Yes. Yeah, it doesn't phase me at all. I mean, of course... No, no, no, it doesn't.

And that's another thing. It's a demographic thing. So two of my five friends are 25 years older than their partner. So you've got Brian Callen and you have Sandy Marks. Both of them are in that range. So it's not uncommon in a certain demographic. And if you saw a man in a movie that had less than 20 years between him and his wife,

and if it's Tom Cruise, you'd wonder what was going on, why the old broad was with him. And so there's a cultural, I found it to be an interesting area to mine comedically because it seems as though there is a cultural hypocrisy and then a demographic kind of, there's a certain type of person

that would be more judgmental around that than another. And then there's the gender differences. And so it's not just about me. It's a comedically rich area because as women age, whether or not they want to date younger because of probably genetic, you know. Wait, so you're saying that if the woman were that much older? Well, look, I don't have any problem with that. I just think it's unlikely that she's going to get a guy that much younger. You know what I mean? It doesn't usually work that way for whatever reason.

It doesn't matter to me. Date away. Well, Marcus Monroe is in that situation where his wife is, and he discussed it on our show, so it's not secret, but his wife is about 15 years older than he is. He actually has a step-grandchild. That's fascinating. Is it a step-grandchild? Yeah, her grandchild, and they're married, so it's his step-grandchild.

Step-grandchild. Oh, but I should, and they're married, so it's his step-grandchild. Step-grandchild. Oh, but I should also mention that she stopped drinking at 19 or 20. And so maybe in the joke, you know, that makes us the same age emotionally or something. But there is a very different dynamic when someone went hard. And then if you've had parallels in your life where you both lost your father young and they're these psychological that being said you know there's a big age difference and it's um and is it something that like you're aware of it is in pop culture i know what you mean like references do you feel alone when you're with the person no no no no because i think that when you connect with somebody you connect with them and those things within the context of the relationship don't matter.

I think you're right. I think some of the judgment comes from men who habitually look for somebody really young. Like I'm not standing in front of a bus station, you know. You're not? This girl's got her mother. Yeah, exactly. Picking up girls on their way in with no return ticket. At Port Authority?

Yeah, short dress, you know. Come on over here, baby. No, you know, I mean, her mother got her MBA at Harvard. It's like, you know, she's not, she's not, didn't just fall off a bus. I don't know, you know, in my specific situation. But I think opening up to the larger consideration perhaps is of some engaging, you know, it's an interesting area. Well, were I to date a girl that much younger um i would make sure to wear a tweed jacket and smoke a pipe just because why not push it as far as it will go

and and and i would say now honey you know we're not going to the club tonight i've gave you those books to read that's right and if you didn't read them you know they'll be a price we not going to the club tonight. I gave you those books to read. That's right. And if you didn't read them, you know, they'll be a price to pay. We're going to the Honeycuts tonight for dinner. I gave you some reading material so that you will be able to converse. Don't embarrass me. Oh, that's good stuff. The only problem I can see with it is if it's a long-term thing, if you're planning marriage or whatever,

then you'll be an old man shitting himself, and she'll still be wanting to go to discotheque. Well, not necessarily, though. Look, you know, nothing's guaranteed. Nothing is guaranteed. Bob Saget's wife was, you wife was significantly younger than he was. Yes, and that's exactly the point. No, but you know,

it's not because he died quite young. I mean... Well, it wasn't quite young. He died... 65 isn't quite young to die? It's young to die. It's not quite young to die. It's young to die. He died too young. Was it quite young? No.

Quite young would be 50 and under. Okay, fine. I can tell you this. When I was in my 20s, I dated guys who were, several guys who were significantly older than I was. And I don't know. I mean, I think that there's a reason why that sort of trope, or, you know, if you want to call it that. Trope is the perfect word. People why that sort of trope or,

you know, if you want to call it, trope is the perfect word trope, but people misuse the word trope, but trope is exactly what, how are we defining? Well, trope is something like, like you see in,

in the movies a lot, like themes that come up in pop culture. I got that right. I got that right. It's a common theme in like pop culture. Yeah. So we see you go to the movie. So I fucked up quite young,

but I got trope right. Well, quite is more subjective. Trope has an actual definition. But there's a reason. I mean, there's something really sexy and appealing about that that goes in both directions, I think. In sort of opposite ways, right? Yeah.

I mean, you like younger girls, too, don't you? Well, no, no. yeah um i mean you like younger girls too well well no no well first of all younger girls they're they're certainly attractive um but as i get older what's young is changing right so now 35 is young well 35 is young but well it wasn't when i was 25 it was 25. It was a dried up old prune. Or a milf. But for me, the two issues are, one of the main issues is also, I just don't like people looking at me weird.

They do that anyway. Well, I don't want to exacerbate the issue. And so people looking at you and, you know, and do you spend any time with her friends? And is that awkward if you do? No, I, you know, one friend with her friend was dating an older guy. No, it's really not that awkward for me, but I don't lead a particularly fragile life in that context, right? If you're a politician, if you're the head of a company and there's some sort of corporate veneer within which you have to kind of, you know, fit in order to not ruffle feathers

and there are real stakes associated with those social circumstances. I don't live in that world. That's a very good point. You know, nobody's looking at me twice in most of the rooms that I go into. You know, I mean, so there is no price for me to pay in that regard. Also, you don't look. There are people your age that do look quite older. Yeah, no, some of, you know,

if you keep yourself in reasonably good condition, you know, that actually never occurred to me. I was more thinking about what is the actual argument? Like, there are many demographics we're in, it's relatively common.

But for people that experience a kind of a judgment like, I mean, even me, if I had a daughter. What kind of, mean, even me, if I had a daughter. What kind of judgment, right. You know, if I had a daughter, I'd be like, what the fuck are you like? Yeah, yeah, yeah, which is legit.

I think it's legit. But then if you go further into that consideration, I think it's about there being too much liability associated with the leverage that an older man may have. Yeah, I think the potential. If it's a shithead. But on the other hand, when you look at people that murder,

you know, that get murdered by their husbands or their boyfriends, they're usually age-appropriate. Oh, that's great. They're often age-appropriate, that's right. So, you know, I mean, an older man is going to be less violent. Less likely to murder your daughter. You know, he has a bad back, he can't...

He's got a bad back, you can chase him around the fireplace and hit him with the thing. With the andirons. So, yes, there's a potential for. He's got a bad back. You can chase him around the fireplace and hit him with the thing. With the andirons. So, yes, there's a potential for – but there is a psychological manipulation. I think the big problem is – I'll just reiterate – is that as a practical matter, she wants to have kids and you're too old or if you get – if she's 50 and still, you know, viable, wants to do things and you're, you know, 75 and in a wheelchair –

Jesus Christ. Well, that could happen. I mean, it's more likely. Obviously, you're playing the odds. There are 100-year-olds that are still bicycling every day, and there are 50-year-olds that drop dead. Understood. We're talking about odds here.

But for the love of God, I mean, you could walk out on the street and get hit by a car. I just said about half a second ago, we're playing the odds. So if I had a daughter, I would say, you want to marry this older gentleman, fine, but think about the life you want, and if you want to have kids, and maybe he already has kids, you know, and doesn't want more kids, and all these considerations. Sure, all of those things are considerations, for sure. In fact, it was why one of my relationships didn't work out,

because he wanted to get married and have kids, and I didn't. That's a good reason, and I did anyway. No, I'm just kidding. No, but really, because he was significantly older than I was. In this case, he's the one that wanted kids. So you were at different places in your life. Correct. That's right.

Perrielle's wearing, by the way, her sweatshirt says Perrielle in huge... Oh, that's cool. I just saw that. Huge, black embroidered letters. Perrielle. She's like Laverne. Laverne DeFazio always had an L on her shirts. And Perrielle has a lot of...

She has earrings that say Perrielle. What a cool look. You look good. How many articles of clothing do you have that say Perrielle? As many as I can because when I was growing up, it was all I wanted because everything said Jennifer and Ashley. Yeah, sure. And I just wanted something with my name on it. Yeah, why not?

And then you end up writing a book. Nobody could take that away from you. That's true. Is that a made-up name or is it an actual name? My mom made this up. It's transliterated to Periel from the Hebrew. In Hebrew, it's Pri-el, and it means fruit of God. But in English, you can't pronounce that.

That's right. Very sweet. So sweet. By the way, I got your email, Dan, of that list of things to translate into Hebrew. Right. I got it email, Dan, of that list of things to translate into Hebrew. Right. I got it. Okay. Perrin and I were having a, I wouldn't say an argument.

It was more like me berating her. But I questioned her proficiency in Hebrew. Of course, of course. But I don't want to get into that now. Dan's a professional linguist. Not a professional linguist. But he consistently challenges... He's got a tremendous ear for language. Not that I have a tremendous ear. I've spent

20 years studying French. I know exactly what it takes to achieve a certain level in a language. And French is easy compared to Hebrew. And I just... It's hard for me to believe that Periel has assimilated the monstrous amount of vocabulary. To really facilitate nuance.

To really be Periel in another language. Because I know what it took for me to get to the level of French that I've gotten. And French is easy, relatively speaking. And I've consistently explained it. In other words, I've read, every single, I probably watch two hours of French on television. If I read a book, it's almost always going to be in French. If I see a movie on Netflix, it's always, always going to be in French. And this has been going on for decades.

So if you're telling me that you're not doing this, and unless you're a genius, and Hebrew is so difficult, I just have to be skeptical. So does it worry you that possibly I'm much more intelligent than you give me credit for? And that sort of makes you feel a little bit insecure? No, no, no. That doesn't worry me because, however,

and even... No, it doesn't worry me because even intelligent people to assimilate, I mean, Hebrew is monstrously difficult. I understand to be very gentle. I mean, just words like, so many words that are freebies in English. And aren't the mechanics of reading from right to left?

Well, but that's not the difficulty. The difficulty would be- That is actually difficult, but here's the thing. The difficulty would be like if you wanted to say, you know, progressive in French, you'd say progressive and you'd be done. Yes.

International, international. You know, division, division. It's a romance line. It's, it's, and there's thousands of these words. Yes, understood. Problematic, problematic. Ah, oui.

Biatique in Hebrew. What's that? Biatique in Hebrew. Problematic. Well, I'll have to take your words. You know. But the thing is, is that you realize. Construction.

Construction. Construction, of course. You know. Destruction. Destruction. Champagne. Yes, of course. And it goes on and on and on.

Whereas in Hebrew, every single one of these words would be some ridiculous word. Totally different. No relationship at all. So that's why I say. But you're missing a huge part of this, which is if you grow up speaking a language... Yeah, but you grew up with... But you grew up with what exactly?

Hebrew. No, your parents are American. My mother is Israeli. But your father is American. My father is American. I've just known so many people, and I know people who both their parents come from a particular country, and they're raised in America. They don't speak the language.

Happens all the time. I'm sorry to disappoint you. So you're telling me one parent is a native Hebrew speaker. Correct. It just doesn't correspond to my experience. Well, then it must be impossible if it doesn't correspond. It's not impossible. I just have to say I'm skeptical.

I'm going to invite you over for a Shabbat dinner. I want to hear a long, involved conversation about a nuanced topic. Noam Chomsky. I don't want to hear, it is nice out today. How is your mother? My mother is fine. What's your name? I have been living in New York since three years.

Where's the bathroom? And you? I have been living in New York since three years. Where's the bathroom? And you? I have been living in New York since three years also. What am I going to get when I just decimate this fucking idiotic notion

of yours? I'm about to call my husband and have a whole conversation in Hebrew with him. Well, I won't really know what the conversation is. I need to have an independent arbiter.

And if you speak to my satisfaction, you will get dinner for two at an Israeli restaurant in the Upper West Side. Okay. I'm going to bring in Esty to referee. Oh, I can just have a conversation with her. Esty grew up in Poland. No, no, she grew up from a young age.

She was born in Poland. You're right. Young grew up from a young age. She was born in Poland. You're right. Young enough that, yes. I'll find somebody. Understood. Maybe that guy that owns the WA. Could be the WA.

I tell you, these Israelis are everywhere. Here's the thing that I want to say. I do think that they're... We're getting back to the younger. Yeah, I'm not saying

that this is you. Yeah. But I'm saying that you can objectively understand I objectively understand why someone would say that there is some, and of course this isn't true for everyone. But overall, I get it. But like there's some. Power differential. Yeah, that's exactly right.

There's some power dynamic or. Yeah. No, that all adds up. That was sort of part of my consideration. I was really just interested in the real kind of... What is the actual argument? The moral argument. The moral argument, other than the general logistics,

which are, of course, somebody could be 75, they're more likely to die than somebody who's 50, and that could leave them stranded, or there could be, you know, different objectives in terms of child rearing and whether or not somebody's too old too young now that being said i was dating before her 38 year old software executive and um uh she would i would imagine since she was interested in having children she would want to have them much sooner which would have been a challenge for me than somebody you have more time with someone who's younger um so

i mean that could go both ways, but certainly, you know, any of those logistical actual chronological elements could create an issue. I was wondering what the moral consideration is. Yeah, I think it's an interesting question. Nicole, if you have anything to say, you can jump in, because you're a woman, a 20-something woman, or

you know, right, woman, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you have anything to say, you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, baby, sure. If you have anything to say, you're certainly welcome to do so. I don't, but thank you for asking. Okay. Yeah, as a moral consideration, I think you're on very shaky ground if you're taking an anti-position, morally speaking.

Yes, there's the potential for manipulation, but of course you can manipulate, you know, a very good looking, wealthy 30 year old can be manipulative. And so the judgment then. Who's judging? Are people judging? No, not in my personal experience, but for the joke, my consideration was what, where's the funny in it and where's the cultural hypocrisy? Like if there is judgment, I've heard it from, you know, I just could imagine

one of my mother's MSW friends sort of hissing. And it's not really a concern, but for the joke, I have to create a counter-argument and an argument so that I understand how to put the kind of variables together

to make something humorous because the humor would be she's dating the other person who could be productive. The humor might be that the people that look down and you have no leg to stand on that could be and that and that's where the humor well or you could be to take the easy way and be like do you know like do jokes about so she's you know she wanted to go to a she wanted to go to disneyland or something like that well you. There's many people that have dated young women and have jokes about where they just say,

oh, my girlfriend, I had to go to her prom or something. Those kinds of jokes. Yes, of course. Well, when I was 22, my boyfriend was, I don't know, probably 15 or so years older than I was. And he always told me he felt like he was with a runaway. Yeah. That's half the fun.

Well, because I also looked super young when I was. Now there is, there is, there is the fetish aspect of it too. Well, I think that sort of, I think that, you know, the moral morality of it all is really wrapped up in stuff like that, right? Like, look at Lolita. I mean, that was a kid. Right. But that was a pre-adolescent child.

Right. But again, that trope is repeated. I mean, 16, 22, you know, 17, 18. Like, the lines start to get blurry. But 11 years old is a touch different. You know, once you hit 29 as a woman, you know, 17, 18, like the lines start to get blurry. But 11 years old is a touch different. You know, once you hit 29 as a woman, you know, I mean, you start to form a personality, you know.

29. No, I don't mean that. I meant at 29 you could date, in theory, psychologically, a 60-year-old person. Sure. I don't know if there's a major emotional. What I'm saying is I've met 29-year-olds

that are absolutely as engaging and reasonably thinking about the world than dopey, you know, older people. Of course. But yeah, on world than the dopey you know older people of course but yeah on average i think you know but i think that's where the judgment comes right yeah yeah and so yeah it's i mean listen in yemen they're marrying 12 year olds to 40 year old men so well you know and then you have mormon communities i mean you know you can go to pretty extreme cultures and find a lot of examples. You know, maybe even Hollywood's one of them. For sure.

But like 22 and 48 suddenly doesn't seem that outrageous. Listen, it's a big hop, you know. And then there's the two individual people and, you know, whether or not, you know, when she's been in therapy since she was 15 years old and we lost our father at the same, like there are these parallels that feel reasonable and and and because if you develop some facility with like therapy language it makes it easier to

communicate in a way that i don't but you miss the years you're not getting any sort of sexual charge out of the age difference of course not certainly not you know there was a young there's no getting around you know you're drawn to anything childbearing age you know there's no getting around, you know, you're drawn to anything. Child bearing age. You know, there's a reason why, you know, we have, we have mores, societal mores that aren't just contingent upon what we're attracted to, what we're not, but what is morally appropriate because everybody's attracted to young. You can look up porn data and see where, you know, it's, they're not all heading in the direction of women that are 58 and older.

Not that you have. Not that you have. Not that I have? Of course not. No, never. Well, there's a reason barely legal is a category. I did have an old laptop that I looked around on a bit. There's a reason barely legal is a category. It's a category. Well, then again, so is MILF, so is, you know. No, no, no, they have many categories, but the most popular ones are not many of the other groups.

Right, but that's also because girls are sexualized in our society, right? Well, but they're sexualized for a reason. They're sexualized because people find them sexy. No, because we live in a patriarchal society. That's why. That's part of it, but it's pretty universal, the relative sexualization.

I mean, the reason in Muslim countries everybody wears a burqa and the religious ones is because we know that we would sexualize them had they not been wearing a burqa right but the men don't have well i mean the men don't have to dress like that oh yeah no no i'm not arguing that it's patriarchal i'm just saying it's it's it's hard to get around a universal sexualization i think is there any culture that doesn't yeah ones that are less yeah i think there are ones that are probably less, but I think the world is a fucking patriarchy.

I mean, there's rape culture that's I don't want to get there. Well, I mean, listen, you can't talk about fucking young girls without talking about the culture that's sexualized. There's a reason that cultures are the way they are. The culture is laid over the substrate

of human biology. No, it's a power dynamic. But they're both inclusive of one another. Relating just slightly off topic, but still relating to the generation gap, I wanted to ask Nicole briefly. Don't worry, Nicole, this is a one-word answer. Have you heard of Hogan's Heroes? I have not.

I had a joke that incorporated Hogan's Heroes I have not I had a joke That incorporated Hogan's Heroes And I was worried I would lose The younger people I think you are Going to miss that

I had I reconstructed the joke Okay And maybe it'll work What's Hogan's Heroes I gotta think You're going to lose them Hogan's Heroes

Is a show from the 1960s But it's still available You just lost Perrielle It's still If I'm losing Yeah I mean But that's what I mean I'm a little bit younger

She's not sweet 16 But that's my point Yeah so if I'm losing, yeah, I mean, she's, but that's what I mean. I mean, I'm a little bit younger. You know, she's not sweet 16. But that's my point. Yeah, so if I'm losing Periel, if I'm losing Periel, I'm losing, that's a big, thick part of your demographic.

Right, yeah, I mean, cruise ships, it might kill. Of course, by all means. Hogan's Heroes was a TV show

from the 1960s that played in syndication. I didn't watch it in the 60s. I'm not quite that old, but it played in syndication. I used to watch it in college. Lord knows I wasn't doing anything else.

You know, I watched... Yeah, so it's a show about a Nazi prison camp, and it's like... Technically, it was a Luftwaffe prison camp. I don't know if they were really Nazis or not, but... Be that as it may, it was buffoonish Germans running a prison camp with American and British and French soldiers.

And it was a farcical. OK. And it was kind of ridiculous. But where are you going with the explanation? I just asked what it was. I'll leave relating to that, which is that I do also think that women are, generally speaking, more mature than men. Especially ones that stopped drinking, got into therapy really young to deal with their own shit. Probably.

I mean, you're right. When I was 30, there was this super hot 23-year-old guy who was a model in New York City who was just obsessed with me. And I finally gave in and hung out with him. And he was the sweetest guy ever. He really was. And he was gorgeous. And I just couldn't tolerate having a fucking conversation with him. Yep. So there is that, too.

Oh, yeah. Listen, if you can't get over that, like, if that's there, that's part of it. That's going to be a problem for both people. That's not a moral problem. That's a personality or generational problem. No, he did not mind. Didn't mind at all.

He was learning so much. Well, because he was exploring so many things. He was learning, but you were, you know, so for him it was all upside. Right, I guess so. You know, in that sense. I also didn't grow up with know, so for him it was all upside. Right, I guess so. You know, in that sense. I also didn't grow up with TV, so I don't have a lot. I don't have a lexicon of references that I need to place time and space.

You know, my mother was on comedy. There were no, I didn't grow up with the pop culture kind of sense of phenomenon. But, oh, the other thing that I thought maybe was funny, and maybe you might have heard a joke, was we were watching, we started watching Braveheart. This is a generational thing. She wasn't really sure who Mel Gibson was. But then I just, but apart from that,

I realized in Braveheart, that guy's like 45. You see, you remember? In Braveheart. In Braveheart. He's 45. And he's pulling, he's riding around on a horse with no shirt. He's pulling up to ask if he can take somebody out on a date. One, the life expectancy was like 38, 500 years ago.

This guy's 45 with no shoes on, just getting married for the first time. Was his age in the movie 45? You're saying Mel Gibson in real life was 45. Mel Gibson in real life. But in the movie, whatever, he was probably 19. The guy's a 45-year-old actor, and he looks it. He's running around on a horse,

and I just thought it was ironic that 500 years ago. The girl, he had to ask her parents for the right to take her out on a horse and I just thought it was ironic that 500 years ago, and he's the girl was he had to ask her parents for the right to take her on a date and it's like if you weren't married by the time you were 25 in Scotland 500 years ago, you were and that guy's 20 years past

45 then is like 75 now and he was a brave heart observation I gotta get more into Scottish, what's it 14th century Scottish movie reference Any brave heart observation. I got to get more into Scottish. What's it? 14th century Scottish movie reference. Yeah. The 90s for her was like the 60s for us, right?

Yeah. Yeah. But it hasn't. Which is crazy to think about. Yeah. Sure. Sure it is. Look, things show up on my Facebook feed that says, first of all, how do you shut that down? Because my Facebook feed will say like, Dan, this is nine years ago this happened.

And they'll show a picture of something that I could swear happened last January. You know, I mean, so you could probably turn that off, but it's very upsetting. I don't go on the book. But, you know, you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, I know. You know, hey, Dan, five years ago and then shows a picture. And you're like, what? This was fucking five years ago. You've got to be kidding me because you project that

into the future and if that the five years or the 10 years happen that quickly right it's scary then you don't need that feed in your life i i need to you know it's no it's the opposite of getting an endorphin bump from some social media post you know with a bunch of likes that feed is the opposite yeah i gotta I gotta shut that off. You have that in real time when you have a kid. Yes, you do.

You're like, what the fuck? Yeah, that's your Facebook feed right in front of you. Every second of every day. yes. And for him,

it's, the years are just going by like molasses. Correct. So, molasses, so slow, so sweet,

so slow. So sweet. I did want to discuss, we discussed it last week but it's worth revisiting is bob saget who died at 65 um uh you know two weeks ago i guess it was yeah i mean i think for people listening i mean saget occupied this space where he was a guy who had a magnanimous kind of spirit um universally you know kind of experienced as such and he was a guy that had a lot of life was engaged by comedy and really enjoyed it and the people around him and doing shows there wasn't that you know sometimes with an older comedian who's got some dangerous dark ennui going on

this death for those of you that aren't familiar with the french term i was gonna say nice nice use of the term we we we death of the spirit but um anyway he was the last guy you would think 65 years old notwithstanding like dan said it's it's perhaps not quite young but um it's he had the kind of life in his eyes that you do not expect to hear that he passed away in a motel room, in a hotel rather. I believe it was the Ritz. Yeah, no, it wasn't a heroin addict in a motel. Yeah, of course. No. Yeah.

Something I didn't know, I read he lost both his sisters. Yeah. I didn't know. Which is pretty horrifying. Horrible, yeah. I also read that he started working for the Scleroderma Foundation before his sister was diagnosed, which is incredible. That's an utterly bizarre coincidence, if true. Would you like me to verify that?

Yes, yes I would. They're never sure if they want me to because I don't know if it bothers them more when I'm right or when I'm wrong. Trust but verify. I'm not saying you're wrong. It makes for a good show dynamic. I'm not saying you're wrong.

I'm saying you're telling me that he started volunteering for scleroderma, but what prompted him? It could be that it's genetic and there was another relative that had scleroderma. Yeah. But that's a bizarre thing to volunteer for. It's very.

I mean, if I was going to volunteer for something. Yeah. You know. Well, one would imagine he had a family member. I think it's likely there was some. Jeff Ross posted about this. He also died, I think, on his sister's birthday. Bob did.

There's a whole thing. Jeff wrote all about it. Hang on. Well, OK. But Jeff, I don't on his sister's birthday, Bob did. There's a whole thing Jeff wrote all about it. Hang on. Well, okay, but Jeff, I don't, I don't, that to me is not a primary. Okay, fair enough. Source material matters. I mean, you know, if you handed in a university paper and it

said, footnote one, the roast master, then you wouldn't get credit for that. But they were best friends. I understand. But it does you have to admit it sounds a little

bizarre. I do. That he would Scleroderma by the way is what killed the great Lucian Hold who was I know it's a type of cancer.

No, no. It's not cancer. It's a skin disease but it affects like the arteries too and it's it's a bizarre thing. I'm not exactly sure what it is, but...

But isn't it the kind of... Well, I mean, do we know what happened to Saget? Do you know what the cause of death actually was? Well, no. I just Googled it, and they're still... For some reason, they still don't have the final diagnosis. Because when it's that sudden... Something like scleroderma, I mean, you would know...

No, it's not sclerod mean, you would know over time. Heart attack is the one that... Yeah, heart attack is the leading candidate. Yeah. Quote. This quote from the Roastmaster, though. No, this is quote from Bob. Okay. I became familiar with scleroderma several years before my sister came down

with it. It began 25 years ago when I met Sharon Monsky, a woman who was to become one of the dearest friends of my life. She was the founder and then CEO of the Scleroderma Research Foundation, a great mother, a woman of three who'd been stricken with the disease herself as a

young mom. Anyway, you can read the whole thing if you're interested. Okay, I will accept that source. I will accept that source. But you understand, Peril, I have to verify. You can. As the, I have a grave responsibility. It's a grave.

Do you understand that if people, that I cannot take the chance of misinformation and then, God forbid, something tragic happens? Listen, I have no problem proving you wrong over, and both you and Noam wrong over and over and over again. I don't think that's what happens generally. And you're not proving me wrong because I never said, I never said, Periel, that is incorrect. I said that sounds a little bit. That sounds real dicey. It sounds dicey as I think you would agree. And I have a responsibility.

Yeah. To the people. Yeah, okay. To the people. To the people. To the people. It does sound a little questionable. So I had to verify that. You can't just say, you know.

That is the Walter Cronkite of the comedy cellar. We all rely on him for truth and balanced information. You understand. If your son comes home and says, Mommy, you know, I don't know. I'm trying to come up with an example. Yeah, of course. Mommy, I have, you know, I need this particular medication

because I have this particular disease. You'd say, you know, I Googled it and I diagnosed myself. You'd say, let's go to the doctor. Right, right, right. Are you the doctor in this scenario? Yeah, well, no, but I'm saying you can't just take the word for shit when there's things at stake.

And what's at stake here is my reputation as a podcast journalist. That's right. Right, okay. And speaking of which, Joe Rogan has gotten some blowback because of some of the things that he said in his show

regarding COVID and vaccines. And now that people sign this long letter or whatever, like 150 science people or whatever saying that Spotify should, I don't know what they want Spotify to do, pull them off the air and give them an ultimato and tell them. An ultimato? That's right, an ultimato. That's right, baby.

Play on the ultimato. And say you got to stop this shit, but that brings up questions of free speech, even though free speech, as we know it, as a constitutional concept is about the government, but as a wider concept about, you know. Well, aren't they saying that he's spreading misinformation? About monoclonal antibodies and hypermactin, that kind of thing?

He might well be spreading misinformation. But you're saying that's fine. I'm saying, I don't know if I'm saying that's fine. I'm saying, you know, how much do you want people to monitor what everybody's saying? I don't know. You just took me to task about Bob Saget's Clara German. But I'm not saying you shouldn't have said it. I'm saying it's my responsibility to clarify.

Okay. Caveat emptor, I think, is the best way to handle these types of things. Remind the folks at home what that means. Well, that means buyer beware, but in this case, listener beware. Yes, of course. And I think that we should educate people to be skeptical. Of course. To listen and to verify.

You know, on that note, and perhaps even more interesting than this, I was reading the latest Gladwell book. I mean, as it relates to these things. And we are inclined to believe people when, in fact, and they were analyzing the Bernie Madoff scandal and breaking down what happened. Yeah. We're inclined to believe people because evolutionarily, it's more metabolically responsible to group information if i believe you if i don't believe you i have to underwrite or deconstruct each individual instance of communication from each individual which would be an impossible way to run a society and to live your life right if you didn't believe i mean there's there's been and

that's why we're so fooled right but but Because we're emotionally, we are set up evolutionarily to believe. Well, there's been ample evidence that if you, people follow signs. Yes. That's right. Regardless of whether or not it makes any sense to follow them. Yep.

Well, it depends. If the sign is on paper and written in crayon, I'm less likely to follow it than if it's a big green sign on the highway that says, this exit to great adventure. That's right. More likely if I'm in fact looking to go to great adventure to get off at that particular exit.

7A, by the way. It's 7A. Jersey Turnpike has always been there. Nothing better. Curb your dog. Don't feed the squirrel. I was having this argument last night with a friend of mine who will go nameless because everybody knows him,

and he's talking about... Dove? No. He's just ranting about how the, you know, the lockdowns were bullshit, and these people should be, you know, brought up on charges, and it's like, you know, the lockdown

might prove to have been maybe not the best move, I don't know, but you have to go with the information that you have. It's all context. And it might turn out to be wrong. Right, but it's whether or not your having been wrong is looked upon as a lie or something egregious should be contingent upon the context in which the decision was made.

If the decision is made in good faith. In good faith. Caveat emptor, if you will. Well, I don't know if it has to do with caveat well the believer beware you know people like if the decision turns out to be wrong to have gone into lockdown then people say that put fauci in jail or you know he's responsible for for the suicides that took place because people were depressed no if it was a good faith decision made based on all the evidence that we had at that time of course uh you know but i mean

because from what i've read there when an investment goes south you don't put the ceo in jail unless there was fraud if you were acting in good faith and got beat by the market for whatever reason i think perhaps that's a more reasonable analogy well i think people have a lot of trauma right about all of this stuff and so they're not really they They're emotional. Yeah. But also the thing that surprises me is that like, don't people understand that these people are scientists? Like they're reacting as they get the information and the information changes, I mean, constantly.

Yeah, and it feels like the default position should be that if you're a scientist, you are acting in good faith. Whether or not you are wrong will be a determination made in the future because we don't know yet. Right, right. And if we choose to be inclined towards skepticism around science, then we're going to be questioning everything that would have been good for us. You know, it's like you have to be a skeptic to a degree, but you also have to lean into the unknown to a degree and hope that the person telling you, you know, I don't know, listen,

be skeptical, but also don't be crazy. You know, yes. I mean, and know that there are people that know more than you. And oftentimes you have to rely on them. If I take my car to the mechanic, I've got to trust that he knows how to fix that car. Yes. Yeah. You know, and I'm not going to second guess him because I don't know anything about cars. Right. The problem is, is that people don't read anymore. They don't think critically. People are like fully getting their information from Facebook. But I don't know that people were any better 20 years ago.

No, but the algorithms are better now. You're right. Human nature hasn't been better for thousands of years. People have been making the same mistakes. If you track markets and market cycles and booms and busts, it's all human emotionality and psychology. Nothing's changed. The tulip bubble

in the 1700s, nothing's changed. But the algorithms have changed. The ability to divide people at scale has been altered tremendously through technology. And that's very manipulative, right? I mean, you're taking advantage intentionally in order to attain a really sort of... It's market.

In order to change the bottom line. The reason Facebook's one of the most valuable companies in the world is because they're able to garner the interest of billions of people, and the way they do that is by drawing your eyeballs. And any service you don't pay for, you're the product. Correct. And so those algorithms, that's what's so scary about AI,

without going into the singularity. What's that film, that documentary about social... The social experiment. The social. Oh, yeah. It sounds like the social network, but it's not. It's like, by the way, Dove, you haven't gotten COVID yet, have you?

Well, no, not that I know of. But my theory, my working thesis is that I have had it and that I didn't test for it because I wasn't traveling anywhere. I mean, if I got the sniffles, listen, if you have big time, if I got this, I've had, I've been, you know, sniffly head coldy for several times. But I didn't run out, you know. But I think if you had COVID, I mean, yeah, no, it's quite possible you didn't run out. Quite possibly you did. I got tested when I went to Aruba. And I got tested when I went to my brother's house for a Thanksgiving thing. So I got tested. We're in. I, and I got tested when I went to my brother's house for a Thanksgiving thing. So I got tested.

We were in. I had to protect being around groups of people. But other than that, I was, you know. I mean, it's possible you've been one of the few people that have been able to, you know, kind of move between the raindrops. Well, possibly. Or I had it, and now I'm particularly resilient. I've vaxxed, and I've had had it but didn't know it kind of demographic. Is this thing over

soon? You're asking us? Yes. Spain says it's over. The next iteration will be like a flu. At some point you gotta go listen. Noam sent around an email. Did you get Noam Zin?

I didn't see it. No, no. He sent about some Twitter thread by some guy. I don't know who this guy is. But basically, he's saying it's over. That Omicron is... Signed the roast master. The Omicron was the roast master.

Omicron is, you know, the symptoms are relatively light. The vaccines are very good. Does anybody know anybody who's been vaxxed, got Omicron, and ended up in the hospital? I haven't heard about one person. I've heard about a lot of people Andre Leontali died today.

Who did? Andre Leontali. Of COVID? Yeah, of complications from COVID. Who was Andre Leontali? He was, I don't remember, I was the creative director of Vogue. Were there underlying health issues?

I mean, he was a major force in the fashion industry. Huge. But what was his age and health condition? He was 73. Okay, that's the answer. When you're 73, you can die from the flu. I mean, from what I understand, very few people as a percentage of the people

Well, I think very few people that got Omicron were either vaxxed or not wound up in the vaxxed or not, wound up in the hospital, but of those that wound up in the hospital, most were unvaxxed. Right. Perhaps, but almost no one has done. You don't know who that is? No. Well, no, I'm not in the fashion.

He's heavy and in his 70s. I mean, it doesn't take a whole lot if you've got some... Was he vaxxed or unvaxxed? I'm assuming. Or it doesn't say. I haven't gotten that far yet. I don't know. I mean, I'm not in it doesn't say I haven't gotten that far yet I don't know I mean I'm not in the fashion industry

I don't think it's like I'm not in like the painting industry either But I know who Picasso was Yeah I don't But I don't think I don't know that guy Nicole you ever hear this dude

What's his name again? Andre Leon Talley Nicole any Have you ever heard of Andre Leon Talley? Not until today Alright And Dove hadn't heard of him? Well, I don't know anything.

And I haven't heard of him. Well, then he must not be important. No. Well, your analogy to Picasso, I think, is... Okay, that might be a reach, but... A tortured analogy. Do you know who Anna Wintour is? Yeah, I've heard of her.

I do as well. Okay, so he is as... But if I hadn't heard of Anna Wintour, I don't think it would be scandalous. A little bit would be. And again, I wouldn't... of Anna Wintour, I don't think it would be scandalous. A little bit would be. And again, I wouldn't... Yeah, but Picasso is...

Okay, Picasso was a reach, but... A reach. Now, I get it. You were trying to make a point and oftentimes we make points. Hyperbole is generally... I just...

My spider sense tells me that Andre Leontali... Lance Malek, huge. Hugely famous. Hugely influential. In that business. In the fashion industry. But those that aren't in the business, I just, you know, like there's people that are huge.

On the cover of the New York Times today. I don't know. People still read that? Yes. I mean, he's big in his business, in his field. Every single news outlet's covering it. An important man to be sure, but I just don't...

I just don't think that he... If I haven't heard of him, and Nicole is, you know, the young person that's got her finger on the pulse. You've got your demographics covered. Now, if you had said Karl Lagerfeld, then yeah. Or Ralph Lifshitz-Loren.

CNN. CNN. I get it. People. Yeah. You know, or Ralph Lifshitz, Lauren. CNN. Yeah, I get it. I get it. It's all, yeah, sure. I understand. People.com. Point taken. Okay.

But the fact that neither me nor Dove nor Nicole have heard of him. It means nothing other than the fact that you guys haven't heard of him. Well, it means that one has to wonder just how much of a household name he was outside of the fashion world. Yes, of course. And we can, when we go downstairs after, we can certainly ask people. I don't think there would be a great use of time. We can ask David Tell. Have you ever heard of Andre Leontelli?

Huh? Huh? Of course. So anyway, Dove, you are back on the road I'm gonna hit the road I go to the city by the sea What's it called, San Francisco? It's by the bay

By the bay, baby By the bay Cobbs Comedy Club Yeah, Cobbs, yeah Next month, Feb 18 Now, do you enjoy the road? Look, you know I don't know

I'm parts of it, right? I mean, you don't want to be on the road every week I don't want to be on the road? Look, you know, I don't know. I'm parts of it, right? I mean, you don't want to be on the road every week. I don't want to be on the road any week. You don't? No. No. Really? Yes, really.

Yes, really. Yeah, no, the road can be challenging. I want to be downstairs with a fucking plate of roast chicken. Roast bird. And a cabernet. So sweet. So, so sweet. Well, then you're extraordinarily lucky that that's what you get to do most days.

Yes, that's the way to look at it. Of course that's the way to look at it. But the point is, no, I... Ben's found another way to look at it. A lot of people do love the road. Some people hate the road and some people like dove find it. They're sort of indifferent, I guess. Oh, you know, I mean, it's context, right?

If you haven't been out for a while and you're going to go do a gig that you think is going to be reasonably good and reasonably well run and it's in a decent place where you like to walk around, there are enough elements that make it worthwhile. Do I want to run to, you know, Duluth and tear into a, you know, a bingo hall? No.

With all due respect to our many, first of all, our Duluth listeners are basically carrying this whole show. I know. Without Duluth, we don't have a show. You're right. I take that back.

I'll issue an apology. That is so funny. Next week. First of all, seriously, do you have any idea how magical and fucking lucky you are that you just said that?

Like, can you garner that appreciation for your life? He can't internalize it. He can conceptually understand what you're saying, but he can't internalize it. It's what makes him so funny, but it's his cross to bear. Right.

Look at his expression. I see you, like, considering. Interesting, interesting, and taking it into consideration. That's his cross to bear. But, you know, the protagonist in his book would have the same challenge with it. I mean, that's the fascinating aspect of- Thank you for bringing up the book because, dear listeners, you are not pulling your weight

on the book. Iris Spiro Before COVID, available on Amazon at a minimum. Read the fucking free chapters you get on Kindle. Iris Spiro Before COVID. Wait, stop. Don't go away from this because it's an important point. Well, it is an important point. That's why you should go to Amazon.com and just read.

No, you're not going to get in. I've tried over the course of 20 years, Perry. You are quite correct. You're saying I should be more grateful for the skills that I have. Grateful? You should be, I mean, elated on a daily basis. That's not human nature. Nobody's elated on a daily basis unless they're using heroin.

It's just not... You get to do your... Listen to me. And even heroin will turn against you. They're very deaf. It'll turn on you. It'll turn on you. You get to do your favorite thing at your favorite place almost daily for most of the days of your life.

Do you know how fucking rare that is for people to be able to say? But Dan's world view, it seems anchored in an aspect of his consciousness that is not communicating. Look, I was sort of joking about the roast chicken. It really isn't, you know, I mean, I enjoy the roast chicken, but it would... No, no, there's some truth to that. I do enjoy the roast chicken, but that's... You'd be complaining if they took it off the menu.

Let's start there. Well, they did, and I was. They put it back on. I don't know if it was due to my complaining or there was a general outcry that was heard. Perry, there was a time where they were doing construction in the kitchen. And Dan was so enraged after, I don't know, about five months. The construction was taking too long and they were doing a podcast with somebody who had,

I think maybe it was Kaplan, somebody who had won a Nobel Prize, you know, as a group. And they're getting into the aspect that this, you know, esteemed guest knew a great deal about. And Dan just got on, Dan just turned to the microwave and he goes, I cannot take another panini. And the show just became about Dan's rage associated with the fact that the kitchen is only producing paninis. Well, you remember those dark days. Very dark. You were 100% right. Noam was redoing the kitchen, and it took, I don't know how long. I felt the Nobel Prize winner also had a point of view,

but yes, you were right about... I don't know if it was Nobel Prize, but I had the point taken. But Noam took forever to redo this kitchen, and the only thing available was paninis. I should the point taken. But Noam took forever to redo this kitchen, and the only thing available was paninis. I should have added that. It's been a year since I told that story. I mean, that's probably five, six years ago that that happened. So Noam rebuilt this kitchen because his—

It's like a Facebook feed. It feels like yesterday. His plan was to really, really step up the menu here, make this dining, take it to another level. And it doesn't seem as though that's happened necessarily. I mean, to an extent, we've added the steak is good and the roast chicken, but I was expecting more. I was expecting a real out-of-this-world dining experience.

You know, the thing for me is I miss out on most of it because I don't eat meat, so there's really nothing for me to eat on the menu. Middle Eastern plate's pretty good. Yeah, but I can't eat all that fried stuff. No, no, no. The Middle Eastern plate has no fried stuff. Speaking of jokes and

deconstructing jokes, I have been toying with the idea of a joke about my... about meat eating. A lot of people talk about vegetarianism. It's a very common theme in stand-up. But they usually take the position like, you know, they make fun of vegetarians. Okay. Whereas I want to do jokes about my own struggle, whereas I know morally the vegetarians are correct.

It's hard to argue with the other ones. That's the take to make because Rock was doing 20 years ago talking about, get your hands on a steak, eat that. It's been done. The other way. It's been done the other way. But to do because we all feel that. That's the contemporary experience that nobody's explored

that I haven't heard yet. I don't know that everybody has that feeling, but I think a lot of people do. But I think a lot of people can relate to it because we all love a Berg, and then, but you go, it's, you know, it's,

there's a more, there is a heightened sense that these are sentient beings that are being consumed, and especially in the face of these approximated products like protein, you know,

anyway, it's a rich area because we can all relate to it, and people have not done it well yet. But, like, the only real moral case I can make for eating meat is that it makes my life far more pleasurable. And that's of some value.

I mean, it's not nothing. Well, I mean, pedophiles could argue that. They could, and I would listen to their argument. I would dismiss it because I think that it's outweighed by the... Well, the cows would argue. They would, and they have a hell of an argument. They would have a hell of an argument. That's really good, though.

Maybe... You know... Peter Singer is the guy. We had him on the show. We did? Yeah. I love Peter Singer. Yes, we had...

I was so excited. I read his book, yeah. Oh. Well, Peter Singer refreshed my memory. They didn't know who he was. I was like, this guy is one of the most important ethicist philosophers alive. And of course, yes, you were there. Okay, okay, okay, okay.

He's a professor at Princeton. And he's a vegetare. Yes. Or a vegan. No, I don't know if he's a vegan, but he's written extensively on animal rights. But he does, from a real philosopher philosopher's pov he really goes deeply into a nuanced argument around the moral case against consuming animals based on it being if the notion is that it's a sentient being and you go well you know but it's an animal so it's a lower

sentient being than me he he he equivocates or he correlates the intelligence of a pig and that of a three-year-old. And based on the data, it is not a significant differential. And so if you're going to make the argument for the ability to eat somebody based on a lesser intelligence, then one has to get pretty dark in their considerations if you're going to make a more argument for consuming the animal. That's a funny joke to talk about eating a three-year-old. Yeah, relative to a pig because of the similar intelligence levels. That's good. After this, you're going to help me work out my joke

about a tampon. There you go. The moral equivalency of eating a three-year-old. Yeah, no, Singer's a badass. He was amazing. I was so excited. Do you remember? I mean, to quote the great Celine Dion, it's all coming back to me now.

We had him over Zoom. Yeah. You know, we've had, well, especially over the pandemic, we had a lot of these kinds of people on. Dan has a very interesting life. He does? I do? My life's not that interesting. I get up.

I go to the gym. I steam. Such a steam. I sit in the steam room for longer than any. Probably get up, I go to the gym, I steam. Steam. Such a steam. I sit in the steam room for longer than any, probably, I have the club, I'm sure I have the club, right? Future generations will look at his steam as, you know, perhaps not beaten for the next hundred years. I mean, the people that work there must be thinking, what the fuck is this guy?

This guy can steam. They know, I mean, they see you every day, though, practically. Well, not every day, but when they see me and they go in that steam room and I don't come out. And, you know, and they're like, well, he didn't come out at the end of my shift. Did he come out at the end of your shift? How long? They're getting together after the fucking work.

I not see him after my shift. I work from 3 to 6. Maybe he's dead. Maybe he's dead. He's still in this. You're not supposed to be still in there. Pop socket. Because they're all Spanish.

Anyway. I picked up on that. That's a funny one. He go in at 2 o'clock. Wake up. I shift. He ends at 7.30. Five half hour.

Steam. Nobody. Steam. Five. I Google him. I Google him. He thought of David Letterman's show back in 2000. What accent is this?

I don't know. There's a reason that I don't do voices and characters on stage. I stick to the jokes as written. But you do some good impressions. I do? Well, I do. You do an amazing Jackie Mason. Not an SNL impression, but a good impression.

It's okay. I do the basics. Haven't we had this number? Like Rodney Dangerfield. I'll tell you. Decent Woody Allen. Yeah, good Dangerfield. Do it, please.

He could do a Tracy Morgan. He's good. Tracy Morgan. I do a little bit of Tracy. I do. I heard the Pope quit. Tom's a dog. You know Tom's a dog with the Pope.

That's not good. It's not bad. You know Tom's a dog with the Pope. Nah, I'm not It's not bad. You know Todd's a dog with the Pope. Nah, I'm not getting it. Because he came up to me once. This was like years ago. I mean, probably four years ago. And he just comes up to me out of nowhere.

I'm standing there. And he goes, he comes up to me, Todd's a dog. The Pope quit. This was after the Pope resigned or whatever. And he goes, the Pope quit. You know Todd's a dog with the Pope quit. I missed Thursday night lineup. And that's what he said to me. And he goes, the Pope quit? You don't tie the dog with the Pope quit. I'm his Thursday night lineup. And that's what he said to me.

And I didn't know what he was talking about. You know, like, Simon is, he's talking about, like, shows. Yeah, no, I know. It's a lot of non-sequiturs with him. He's an odd bird. And Jackie Mason? Oh, sometimes I can get into his rhythm, but I'm not very good at it. This, this, so, you know, tell you something.

This, this, this person. Yeah, this, this. The Gentiles, you know, they drink, they choose, they eat, they eat, they eat. That's a good man. It's okay. He had a joke. He said, if I'm in the back,

he said, if a black man should get to school with a lower score, a white man should be able to ask about basketball with a lower net.

Yeah, yeah. Anyway, may he rest. May he rest. And his daughter, of course, Sheba, was on our show. You know Sheba. Well, I don't know her,

know her, but certainly I know of her. There are a lot of second-generation comedians outba. Well, I don't know her, know her, but certainly I know of her. There are a lot of second generation comedians out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe Emerson, your son,

will one day. Let's hope not. Take the mantle. Take the mantle. Yeah, no, let's hope he receives enough love, acceptance,

and in what psychological circles they refer to as a holding period, enough sanity, grounded, warm sanity that the buffer with which many humorists do not experience Circles they referred to as a holding period of sanity, grounded, warm sanity. The buffer with which many humorists

do not experience the world with he will have. Well, we certainly hope that for Emerson. You will be at Cobb's. Cobb's, baby. Cobb's by the Bay. By the Bay. It's a good spot. It's a good club. On February 18-19.

And that's one show on February 18 and one show on that day. One and two. Three shows in all. Okay, one and two. Friday one, Saturday two. That's what I prefer. Yeah, me too. I don't want, I don't, I'll tell you what I prefer, stay home and get a check. But if I have to do something, I'd rather just one and.

I'd rather do one. I'd rather do one. I don't like. There's something about that second show. Oh, yeah. Used to be three on Saturday night. And the audience doesn't realize they're not getting the same show. They're getting the tired version of the show.

By show three, they're not getting even close. They're not getting the same show. Wait, you're doing one on Friday and one on Saturday? If there is... Two. Two on Saturday. One Friday, two Saturday. But there used to be...

I remember working Miami Improv. It was three shows every Saturday. And then, I don't know, there were several clubs. And I just remember hearing that and going, I have to go do the gig, but I really don't want to. So the best show to go see is the first one? I think so. You're the freshest.

Yeah. I mean, the second one's probably okay. Yeah, the second one sounds like it. Yeah, for an audience. The third one's tough. I'm just from a comedian perspective. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I hated it.

And then from the audience perspective, they're getting less of a show on the third. They're getting a tired show. They're getting a comedian perspective. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I hated it. And then from the audience perspective, they're getting less of a show on the third. They're getting a tired show. They're getting a tired show. Well, no, in this case, there's no three or third show Saturday night. There's just two, and that's okay. They'll both get good shows.

One show Friday. Not many clubs do three anymore. Right, that's what I'm saying. You're doing one on Friday and two on Saturday. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. There used to be more three-show clubs, I think. Yeah, they'd work you like a pony three-show clubs, I think. Yeah. They'd work you like a pony.

Work you like a donkey in a field, boy, three shows. What am I, a donkey? And you can't phone this shit in. You can't phone stand-up in. No, you can't phone stand-up. You have to be so present. Yeah. I know.

You can't just be up there and off somewhere and then the words are coming out. No, no, no. You have to be very present. Yeah. That's why i forced myself to host all of these shows because i was so terrified to be on stage for so long yeah that i was just like memorizing things and it's like you can't you got good muscle and then you can relax into the joke which makes it funnier yeah it's made me much more comfortable on stage and much quicker and much less like it's a good

muscle verge of a nervous breakdown yeah no totally and the more comfortable you get it's another evolutionary thing it's why when somebody's tense even if the material is wonderful the audience can't appreciate can't experience it as as that funny because they're tight because the performer's totally and it's so psychological totally yeah even if the material's spot on you know it's weird a hundred percent if it's really one of the things that i've really learned in this past year of being on stage is like i have to be having fun we subconsciously experience that about one another nobody knows why they're getting tight and it's not funny because the math is that the joke is funny yeah but it's that delivery and we it was so important for our evolution to intuit another person's tenseness

because we were sensing whether or not they were telling the truth whether or not there was danger with them and now you can't laugh it's odd how that's that's so interesting yeah it's real deep in us it is it is for sure yeah speaking of deep, I have this itch. You know, you figure you wipe and wipe and there's nothing left on the... Why is it still itchy? Anyway. You should see somebody about that. You might need some cortisone cream.

You might have a hemorrhoid, a small one that you can't see. Light rod. No, it doesn't happen all the time. It's just once in a while. Why do you got a rod? No, but once in a while, there's itching even after. It seems like a thorough, I'm sorry, Nicole.

Why are you sorry, Nicole? He fucking berated me about talking about my period once. Oh, God. That's disgusting. That's disgusting. No, because you render him unable to object.

Because I'm a man and men are dirty and disgusting whereas women are a little charo. Women are so sweet, so pure.

So clean. Yeah, it's just They don't do that sort of thing. They don't do those sorts of things. Oh boy.

So anyway, thank you so much, everybody, for listening to us. We wish Noam a speedy recovery from, assuming he's not well,

but I don't think that's the case. No, I don't think so. He probably just didn't feel like coming. Speedy recovery from having to wire money overnight

to the Cayman Islands. Dan Aderman, Irish people before Before COVID, available on Amazon. Periel Ashenbrand, On My Knees. And The Only Bush I Trust is My Own, available on Amazon. Doug Davidoff, Coming to a Town Near You. You, baby. Road Dog. Road Dogging it.

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