The Comedy Cellar: Live from the Table - Eman El-Husseini, Jess Salomon and Eagle Witt

Episode Date: January 25, 2019

Eman El-Husseini, Jess Salomon and Eagle Witt

You're listening to The Comedy Cellar, live from the table on the Riotcast Network, riotcast.com. Good evening, everybody. Welcome to The Comedy Cellar show here on Sirius XM Channel 99. We're here, of course, with my co-host, Mr. Dan Natterman, and we're about to introduce... We have some guests, we're going to introduce them. But first, just before, as we were starting, our producer, Perrielle, our new producer, told us that she has a safe word for sex. And I think we really want to hear about that before we do anything further because...

I said I don't have a safe word. I won't be able to focus. I won't be able to focus. You have to be the subordinate to have a safe word. Ah, and you're never the subordinate. I'm never the subordinate. Okay, so having said that... That makes sense, right? That doesn't surprise anybody, right? Well, what's your husband's safe word

in that case? That's a good question. I don't know that I can answer that. I guess they don't necessarily do that sort of thing. Noam, who are our guests, if you please? I don't want to pronounce it wrong. We have two comedians, two New York City-based comedians. Iman El-Husseini. Perfect. Great job. I'm going to pronounce it wrong. We have two comedians, two New York City-based comedians.

Iman El-Husseini. Perfect. Great job. Thank you very much. Very good. This is the one I'm in trouble with. All right. And Jess, short I imagine for Jessica. Yes.

Jess Solomon. They're both New York City comedians. I think it's Solomon. Solomon, yeah. Solomon. Now, why are they interesting? Well, they're interesting for many reasons, but the reason they're here is because they are a married couple.

Is that correct? That is correct. That is a married couple. As you know, same-sex marriage is legal in America, and so they are a married couple. Yes. Hasn't always been that way. That's true.

We got married in Canada, but... Okay. Yeah. Well, you can do it here now. How long have you been married? We've been married three years. But actually, we got married just in time when the law changed here, which allowed us to move here

as a married couple. Wow. America gets full faith and credit to Canadian marriage. I guess it does. Go ahead. Well, now it certainly would. I don't know how it was in the old days. Now, the fact that they're a married female couple is certainly of no interest to us because it is certainly common enough nowadays, and it's certainly high time that these marriages were legal.

What's interesting here is that Iman El-Husseini is a— they're both, by the way, Canadian, I know. They're from Montreal, Canada, where my parents are from. Iman al-Husseini is of Palestinian origin. Palestinian Muslim origin. Correct. Jess Solomon is of

Jewish origin. That's me. And they are married. So you can imagine... The fireworks. The fireworks that may or may not ensue in such a marriage. And we'll be getting to that. And you're comedians. And we're comedians.

So listen, I have questions to ask, and they're not going to be nice. But here's the question. Just full disclosure, Noam and I are fairly pro-Israel speak for yourself Dan I was worried you were going to ask are women funny so okay at least we're not talking about that the overwhelming likelihood

they're like no we know they're not the overwhelming likelihood is we'll have differences of opinion politically you're still pro-Israel this is my theory this is my theory that when an still pro-Israel. This is my theory. That when an Israeli, when a Jewish woman marries a Palestinian woman, that is a basically pro-Palestinian political marriage.

Correct or incorrect? I mean, I don't know if things have to be set up as pro or anti. In general. That's what I said. I guess I would say I'm pro-justice and my background is in human rights. And Israeli society is unjust.

Well, where international law is broken, I would call that an injustice. I'm not arguing with you. I'm just saying my prediction is correct. Can I ask, by the way, Iman al-Husseini, there you go. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. I love that they knew that I won this whole thing and it was a pro-Palestinian. There you go. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. I love that they knew that I won this whole thing,

and it was a pro-Palestinian marriage. I really do appreciate that. It is important to note that Iman wasn't gay before me, so she became a lesbian. And you became pro-Palestinian. It's a good compromise. It's only fair. I think the reason Noam says that is simply because...

I know my people. Well, there's also many, many, many Jews that are fighting for the Palestinian cause. And I don't know any Palestinians that would consider themselves Zionist, although I could be wrong in that regard. I think you would find maybe Israeli Arabs that could be Zionists. But yeah, I mean, the way Israel came to exist was based in a very difficult way for Palestinians to accept. It was like denial of existence completely, coming to a land,

pretending that nobody was there when some people were there. My mom's family got expelled from their homes, never got compensated or recognized for it. Where was your mother from? Jaffa. And our food is being sold as an Israeli food. Nobody admits that it's Arabic food. I mean, there are so many things that it's so hard for an Arab to become a Zionist. Although, I got to say, I understand that anti-Semitism is still a huge problem.

And I understand that you guys need a safe haven. But I feel like it should have done in a more moral way. Because you guys, you know, well, you guys. Zionism is always based, personally, always based in, like, the most moral army in the world. We did a lot of that, you know, so it's so difficult

to want to be a Zionist when it was done in such an unjust... When were they expelled from Yaffa? During the war? In 1948. Yeah, during the war. But the war was...

Israel was attacked during the war. Well, Israel also came with a lot of money from the West. No, no, but what I'm saying is correct. No, Israel was attacked during the war. Well, the 1948 war, it was... No, it was the partition, war. Well, the 1948 war, it was the partition. They partitioned. The partition, which meant expelled Palestinians. But the partition wasn't necessarily an expulsion.

No, no. No, it's not. That's why there's Israeli Arabs. Nobody was expelled. Some people weren't expelled. The Christians were protected for some reasons, and Muslims weren't. Israel is like, what, 15-20% Israeli Arab. Those are descendants after the partition. But in like, what, 15, 20% Israeli Arab. Those are descendants

after the partition. But in 1948, when the UN partitioned, whether you think they should have or shouldn't have, that's international law. Every Arab army

attacked Israel. I mean, that's not a pro-Israel statement. No, no, no. You're completely right. And in that war, there was an expulsion. But I would say, is that to... Of Muslim Palestinians, not Christians. You're right. Yeah. But what I

would say is that it is complex when people are expelled in a war for survival that their own people initiate. Now, that's a moral question. But the fact is that if Israel hadn't won that war, there would be no Israel anymore. Now, I've read Benny Morris, and I actually am on the side of the Jews who do recognize that there were many, many... A Palestinian...

Yeah. Many, many injustices to the Palestinians, including expulsions that were immoral and where they took advantage of situations. And continue to be. Wait, wait. All right, just please. Is that the voice of God?

Which are basically, unfortunately, the case in every single war that's ever been fought in human history. But what we do think about usually in wars that we do feel can't be washed away is who was the aggressor. And in that war, the aggressor was not the Jews.

Nobody claims it was the Jews. And if anybody had a beef with anybody, you can have a beef with the United Nations. Sure. So that's where, to me, I'm like, well, okay, you know. Listen, I'm not even saying to go back to Palestine.

I'd be so happy to coexist Jews, Muslims, and Christians. The fact that there's no, a mere recognition of our people and our identity, and they're taking our food, they're taking our language. What do you mean taking your food? You mean calling hummus Israeli? Yeah, calling hummus Israeli, opening up Israeli restaurants, shawarma, all of that.

That really shouldn't be the first grievance that you lead with. It bothers me because it is an erasure of my identity. Do you know what I mean? I agree with you that hummus is... But even like in their words, they use Arabic words all the time. The hit Israeli shows out there. Yalla, yalla.

Yeah, I know, I know. I know that our language is amazing and our food is amazing. But by using all of that. Do you know why that is? Because we're all Aramaic people. I mean, Semitic people. No, because there were so many Jews in the Arab countries. I know.

When we coexisted peacefully all together. I know. I'm symbolier. Hold on. Well, peacefully. They were second class citizens. Tit for tat. I was a second class citizen in any country in the Middle East.

I know, just one thing at a time. And so they had generations within the Arab countries. So, of course, they adapted Arab words. And what about the Eastern Europeans that use it now? And then it became part of the vernacular in Israel. And that's not a... By continuing to deny... And they were all

expelled from their homes in the Arab countries. There are zero Jews living in any of those. Zero. Every single one was expelled. I think there's a few in Morocco and elsewhere. I don't think there's any. Maybe. I shouldn't say this. They were all expelled.

Our friend Gad Elmala grew up in Morocco. I know a lot of Morocmala grew up in Morocco. I mean, I've been to Morocco. I've been to a lot of Moroccan Jews that lived. Lebanese Jews that continued to live in Lebanon. Very, very few. Do you have any political differences of opinion that, as a couple, you bury because it's not good for the couple? Or you're in accord on pretty much everything?

I mean, I think early on, the arguments that we had sort of stemmed around this idea that people always have about their people right that like fundamentally my people are the good people and anything that that is uh that's happened is sort of like that is an aberration or something you know like i think you both come at it from the idea of like no we're no like i i think i really came i think some of the original arguments that we had and we don't talk so much about stuff anymore because we've been together a long time and we've kind of been through everything. And honestly, like, I think politically we've been more consumed with what's been going on in the U.S.

So, like, that's sort of been all consuming in general. Don't tell me you guys are Trump supporters too. Okay. I would never tell you. No, we're not Trump supporters. But I think, you know, I was, I didn't grow up with a high level of Jewish propaganda, let's say, or education. You know, I didn't go to Jewish school.

I didn't go on birthright. So I was exposed to a certain level of conversation. And I think a lot of the arguments we had at the beginning, one of the things that we would say to each other was, well, where did you learn that thing that you just said? Did you learn it after Hebrew school? Did you learn it at the dinner table? And then if we disagreed on something, we would go and we would look it up somewhere in a book. In aljazeera.com.

Well, no, but yeah, and we did have some arguments at the beginning, for sure. And she won. Well, honestly, I think part of the thing is that Israel has moved so far to the right that- Why did they move so far to the right? I think that a lot of the left has been, a lot of people on the left have left Israel. I think that the religious people have grown up internationally. They never really wanted peace.

I'm going to tell you exactly why. They never wanted to recognize Palestinian existence. They have recognized Palestine. I think they've stamped out a lot of any resistance. First of all, our most important goal here should be to preserve Iman and Jess as a couple. I'm going to try to end this marriage. It's not going to end. Don't worry.

Did our parents say here? I will tell you that in 2000, with Clinton and Arafat, there was a peace deal. The settlements never stopped, yes? The settlements never stopped. Ever. I'd say they did. There was a peace deal on the table that Bill Clinton thought was good. And the American administration thought, and the Saudis thought was good.

The worst countries? Yeah, the Saudis. Saudis, oh yeah. Come on, please really stop. The point is that the Saudis had always been very, very extreme against Israel, yet they thought this was a good deal. But anyway, leave it at Bill Clinton in America. And Arafat walked out with no counter-proposal.

Then in 2006 or 2007, with Allmert and Bush, they came even closer. Israel came with an even more far-reaching offer. And Abbas walked out, again with no counteroffer. And to this day, I don't think anybody could. I've asked a lot of people this question. Let's ask Amman the question. Hold on. Anybody could tell you what deal the Palestinians would accept.

Obviously, Hamas won't accept any deal. Yeah, I think they would. I think that's not true that they're not. Well, that's what they would say. I think they've changed their tone big time. If I was Israeli prime minister, what could I offer that you say, oh, yeah, that would be a deal? Recognition, being like there's Palestinian history here. These people existed before.

We definitely need a safe haven. That's all we need to do to get a two-state solution? Well, I mean, do something. Are you kidding me? As soon as Israel came to existence, it was always like, the Palestinians want to destroy Israel. Everybody wants to destroy Israel. Are you already pushing that these negotiations broke down over Israel refused to recognize Palestine? Yes, yes, because the illegal settlements continue on happening.

And what did everybody tell me? Don't make it about the settlements. They were going to dismantle the settlements. They were never... Not even under Rabin. Are you kidding me? They dismantled all the settlements in Gaza. They still have settlements in Gaza.

They do not have any settlements. They have settlements in Gaza. Well, now you're just talking. They don't have settlements in Gaza. What they have is they have it under a siege. You said they don't have settlements in Gaza. Well, now you're just talking. They don't have settlements in Gaza. What they have is they have it under a siege. You said they don't have settlements in Gaza, right? They do not have settlements in Gaza. They pulled out of Gaza. She's sure they do. But the pulling, you can pull out of a territory and still control

absolutely everything. You're going to tell me there's no Jews in Gaza? There's Jews in Gaza probably on a border. I agree with you about the siege. But I'm saying in negotiations they were going to raise R-A-Z-E all the settlements or most of the settlements and they were going to have land swaps

in the West Bank. I guess what I would think if I was a Palestinian person is that I have never seen any real good faith on the part of Israel on the ground. Are you aware of these negotiations that went on? I am, but I'm saying...

I guess I think... He keeps interrupting her. He keeps asking questions, but doesn't interrupt him. What was offered by... To be honest, I haven't reviewed what happened. You need to know that before you have a strong opinion on this stuff. I didn't realize I was coming here to debate Israel-Palestine,

so I haven't reviewed what happened. But what was the negotiation? What was, I mean, no, but tell us, what is it, what was such a good deal for Arafat to have accepted or Abbas to have accepted when illegal settlements have continuously separated Palestinians from each other? This would have ended.

Our existence have completely been denied. The point is that if you entered into a negotiation, you should at least show, at a minimum, a good faith gesture of stopping to take territory illegally to at least sit down to have a negotiation and say, well, we've actually, for the time being, have stopped. There was a freeze, actually, during one of these negotiations. I don't remember which one. It was a nine-month settlement freeze. No, it's really not relevant. But it was a controversial freeze because they had laid a bunch of foundations in the run-up to the freeze.

And the freeze allowed them to continue to build on foundations that were already laid. So it was not a totally good-faith freeze. But if it had continued, then the freeze would have locked in. I guess it's hard to come to a negotiation table under those circumstances and take the other side seriously. Listen, this is the bottom line here. Do you know how the land was? Why is Israel occupying the West Bank? How did Israel come to that land?

In 1967. What happened? During the war. Yeah, but I know during the war. Who attacked? I mean... The settlements the war. Who attacked? Who attacked? I mean... The settlements always continued. You know, you always say who attacked who first. There were no settlements prior to 67.

Oh, my God. There was always settlements. No, but I mean, imagining that... There was always division. There was no West Bank prior to 67. It's just... Who attacked in 67? How did...

It was Jordanian land, right? The West Bank was Jordanian. And Jordan... It was under the control of Jordan at that time. I mean... Not under control of Jordan. It was Jordanian land. It was part of Jordan at that time. Not under control of Jordan. It was Jordanian land. It was part of Jordan. It was not

occupied. And Jordan attacked. Not only did they attack, but at the last minute, during the Six-Day War, the Prime Minister of Israel even called King Hussein of Jordan and said, let's stop this now. We promise we won't even take back the old city. Please, let's just stop. Let's climb

down off this now. Jordan, who was using the Wailing Wall at the time as an outdoor toilet, invaded. And in that defensive war, Israel took this land. So they invaded the West Bank. Invaded the West Bank. No, no. Although there was nobody there.

No Jews there. No, Jordan invaded Israel, and Israel beat them back. And in the beating them back, they took a buffer of land and then immediately sued for peace. And Jordan immediately came back. The Arabs immediately came back with the three no's. You know what the three no's were? No recognition, no negotiation, no peace.

And no hummus. And no hummus. And one of the Israeli guys famously said it was the first time that the aggressor, that the winner had sued for peace and the aggressor refused. So now we're stuck with this territory through no fault of the Israelis. I mean, you're not really stuck with it. Yeah, yeah. I mean, please, just let it go. I mean, there's no obligation to hold on to it.

And in that time, Israel has, in that time, in that occupation, there are many, many chapters of Israel behaving reprehensibly. Atrocities, you name it, it's happened. But to not understand that the land was taken, like in 48, like the people who were expelled, like in every one of these, these were responses to not just aggressive attacks,

attempts to end Israel, attempts to ethnically cleanse all the Jews off that part of the world. And in those, in that fighting back, they took territory like every other country

in the world has done. And then they sat down and then the crazy Israeli Jews, you know, the religious ones, start settling. But they pulled all the settlements out of Gaza. And I'll go back to the other question. And I believe, and the reason Israel turned very far to the right is because the left became totally

disenchant... What's the word? Disenchant. Disappointed. Yeah. When they saw that their leader had sat down

and offered basically 100% of the West Bank back with land swaps and instead of the guys, the Arabs saying, no, no, no, that's not enough.

We want this. They said, fuck you, we're out of here. And then the left said, oh God, you know, the right's been right all...

And immediately started an intifada. And immediately started an intifada. And then the left said, the right's been right the whole time. And they said, you know what, they don't want peace. If you could point to me one Palestinian leader who's on record saying that...

Abbas said he wouldn't go back to his hometown where he was born and raised just to ensure peace between Israel and the Palestinians I mean he said it himself so here's your Palestinian leader he said that he wouldn't go back to his own hometown

where he was born who the hell wants to go back to their hometown I don't even understand what do you mean he's Palestinian he was born in a city that's occupied by Israel. He's giving up his right to return to make peace. We're getting to the right of return now. There's another horn.

I think compensate the Palestinians that have been kicked out, that are expelled. Give them an opportunity to leave. That was part of the deal. Compensation? It was erasure and denial of our existence. That wasn't part of the deal that Clinton negotiated. That was what was implemented. Let's talk about something else.

I feel like I got you guys at a disadvantage because... Well, I didn't know that. I didn't realize we were coming. You know what? But I'm glad that we're having this conversation. It's fine. It's fine. I guess I want to hear what you think today,

because we've been talking about going back to 1967 and everything. What do you think is the way forward? I think the way forward is basically what they negotiated with Abbas. What they tried to negotiate, which is they have to get out of it. Do you think that the government now is seriously interested in that kind of a deal? Because the current justice minister has called for the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. That's a statement that she has made. I'm just saying that the way things are today.

How did I miss the fact that Israel wanted to ethically cleanse? Shaquette didn't say that Palestinian children are cancer. And if you kill Palestinians, it's fine. It's genocidal language. I mean, come on. The Knesset is a nightmare. But that's where that's... And she's the justice minister.

Who said it? Shaquette? I elect Shaquette. I believe you're referring to. The great Eagle Witt is joining us. Eagle Witt. Tell us what you think about Israel-Palestine. Well, first, let me just briefly introduce Eagle Witt. No, it's a great conversation to have.

Eagle Witt, by the way, for those of you who are interested, we'll get back to Israel-Palestine. We're clearly not going to solve it. It'll wait. The problem will be there when we come back. Go ahead. For those of you who are interested in how to break into the comedy cellar, and we'll get back to Israel-Palestine. We're clearly not going to solve it. It'll wait. The problem will be there when we come back. Go ahead. For those of you who are interested in how to break into the Comedy Cellar,

Eagle Witt is one of our newest comedians working here, and they're giving you a shit ton of work, as I see on the schedule. Yes, I'm very happy about it. And who was responsible, if you had to point to one person, for your working here? Not to point to elbows,

but Dan, the legend, Natterman, give me the rec. Well, what I did was, I did very little, to be honest with you. I did as little as possible. You said to me, can you recommend me to the comedy cell? I said, okay, I'll forward your shit over to Noam, who's sitting right here beside me, looking up some... I can't find where she said there's a cancer. I'm not saying it's not true. I just can't find it. Can you find it? This Israeli

minister who called for ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians? Go ahead. Sorry. So Eagle said, I said to Eagle, I will do the minimum. I will tell Noam to take a look at you. I will say you're a good comic and he should look at your video. And

I sent it to you, I guess. Yes. And you actually did it, because known, by the way, means that when he says, he will look at people. And what did you think on your first impression?

Well, he's working here, isn't he? Yeah, I guess so. The first video, you couldn't even understand what I was saying. I had to send two. The first video was like shitty video.

But it's not just that he's working here. He's working here a shit ton. A lot of people get in here and they're here today, gone tomorrow. Esty gives them one or two spots, doesn't go great and they're gone. But he goes all

over the schedule, so much so that I'm starting to wonder whether I did the right thing. Because he's, you know, he might be taking spots from me. Absolutely he is. Do you know Iman and Jess? Yes, I actually do. So you've worked together.

How come you guys don't send your tape? Well, I don't know. We should. Of course you should. I guess we have to get a recommendation from somebody. Maybe you don't. First of all, it's funny. Is this how we audition?

It is. I'll tell you why. You know Dino Badala, right? Of course you know Dino Badala. Of course we do. Dino Badala, right? Of course you know Dino Badala. Of course we do. Now, Dino Badala was a nice Italian comedian before 9-11. And after 9-11, he really discovered his Muslim side. And he was Italian with the name Abidallah?

No, I'm kidding. But he really became... No, but you talked about... But anyway... Yeah, because America changed his name. But famously, because when my father was alive, cause my, when my father was like famously, uh, my father used to give him spots all the time. Like every day.

Cause my father wanted to argue about Israel. So, Oh really? You guys will be getting spots every day. Iman and Jess, I just want to underline that. It gets super worked up before you go on stage. Noam does not book on the basis of political,

uh, orientation. I noticed there's a Palestinian guy that works here, right? There's a fellow named Moe Ahmed. That's right. And he's like very Palestinian. Have you guys ever got into it? All the time.

And he still works here. That's a good sign. Works here. I love Moe. Noam is more concerned now, is more concerned with money, I mean with quality of show, than with political

orientation. Good. You don't think I don't like anybody because they disagree? You should know that. Although I got heated, I think it's a great conversation. Noam. I'll show you this stuff after.

I'm way more angry with her than I am with you. She's a traitor, it's true. Oh my god, Iman does great with Jewish audiences. They doubt, no. I'm way more angry with her than I am with you anyway. She's a traitor. It's true. Oh, my God. Iman does great with Jewish audiences. They really do love me, by the way. I do much better with Muslim audiences. Yeah.

Unfortunately, there's more Jewish. Eagle, by the way, one thing a lot of people don't know about Eagle, you look at Eagle, you say to yourself, well, there's a light-skinned African-American gentleman. That's exactly what I say when I see Eagle. That's what I say when I see myself too in the mirror. I'm like, there's a light-skinned African-American gentleman. But a little known fact about Eagle, I found out recently his father is Jewish. That's what I say when I see myself in the mirror. I'm like, here's a light-skinned African-American gentleman. But a little-known fact about Eagle, I found out recently his father is Jewish. That's right.

Wow, so cool. That's why you have great hair. Yeah, something like that, yeah. But he grew up with his Jamaican mom. He does have great hair, right? Good memory. Jamaican mom, absolutely. He's a Jew-raken, or I don't know if there's a word for that.

A Jew-raken, yeah. So, Eagle, do you have any thoughts about this because you are of partial Jewish heritage? See, I don't know the level of Jew argument you guys are talking about right now. Like, that level is beyond my years. Like, I know, like, the American, you know, Jew arguments, but you guys are going into, like, the worldly war going on. Right. You know the, like, everything bagel versus, like, onion.

Yeah, like, I know the simple stuff.el versus like onion. I'm not even sure it's a great debate. If you ever do her, don't mention any of this stuff in front of Esty. As a matter of fact, don't even tell her that you're Arab.

No, I'm kidding. Oh my God. No, I'm kidding. Does she not listen to podcasts? She doesn't know how to get a podcast. There's more than, by the way,

there's more than one Muslim that works here. There's plenty of Muslims that work here. We have Muslim men. It's ridiculous. There's Muslims here in the restaurant. There's plenty of Muslims that work here. We have Muslim men. It's ridiculous. There's Muslims here in the restaurant.

There's Muslims here in the restaurant. In fact, they're making the hummus because they're making Israeli hummus. Because it's an Israeli restaurant. Israeli hummus.

Nobody cares if everybody's Muslim. So this Shiket thing, just for the record, I'm not going to go into it because we've gone to something else, but I would say that

there is a quote here which I don't like, but it is not about ethnic cleansing of the West Bank but it is not about ethnic cleansing the West Bank, and it's specifically about the terrorists. That's what she addresses. And I don't...

It's a direct quote there, and I don't defend the sentiment of what she's saying about the terrorists. It's too far right away for me. She refers to Palestinian children as little snakes. Justify the mass... It appears to justify the mass punishment of... Can I see it?

Where's the snake? This is from the Washington Post. Okay. Where is it? Point to the word snake. Go ahead. You guys... You know.

Okay. Talk amongst yourselves. Do we get to do spots right after this podcast? Because you're half Jewish... Where's the word snake? I don't see the word snake. You don't... You don't see this? I mean, I can get it.

Do you need glasses? Do you see snake? In quotes, it says little snakes. Oh, I'm sorry. Yes, I do see it. Okay. I mean, there's other. I just looked very quickly.

There's other more specific posts, but that comes from a Facebook post that she had. Incidentally, there's an excellent. She posted the text of an article that referred to... Somewhere in the article referred to policies... Right. It was a quote from an author, but she was quoting it as a... Well, she posted an article. Yeah.

But no, but that's her viewpoint. And there's other articles. But I read the extended quote in that one, and it was very clear she was talking about terrorists. Can I ask Iman if you talk about any of this sort of stuff in your... You guys don't work together,

do you? Yeah, we started this year. We started a duo act. Oh, you're a duo act. Okay, this is interesting. So we have our own careers, which will be, you know, obviously growing

at the Comedy Cellar, but... Well, the priority here is if the audience loves you, that's all you need to do. We have started sharing the stage, which is not an obvious thing because comedic chemistry on stage

is different than romantic chemistry. So we've been learning to share the stage and it's been about a year now. And I think we're getting in the groove. It's been much better. The beginning was rough. Do you guys still go separate? We do our own stuff.

We've been doing stand-up for over 10 years separately and it's just this year, Just for Laughs asked us to do a show together last summer. And the show discusses the cultural differences? It's more jokes about our marriage and of course cultural differences

we don't look up stuff during the show that the justice minister has said or not said but we do a lot of relationship material and stuff about our families right we don't get into heated political discussions especially that we're on the same page

well Eagle's parents obviously didn't work for them, their marriage. No, not at all. And she wasn't even Palestinian. She was Jamaican. She was Jamaican, absolutely. Huge culture difference, though. And even that didn't work.

Still a huge culture difference, for sure. How long were they married? They were married a while. They were married a while before it didn't work. But I don't think it was the culture stuff that didn't make it work. I think it was regular romance stuff. It's definitely a big difference, though. I mean, like, it's a different level of complaints.

Just him even being American and her being Jamaican. It's like, when you're from a third world country, you don't complain about the things we complain about here. Right. And Jews complain extra. Yeah, exactly. So it's like a weird dynamic. So this is complicated, this Shiket thing. So I'm not going to take any more time on it.

Yeah, yeah. Only to say that, do you know how many books I could fill with the genocidal rantings against the Jews from the Palestinian world, from the Palestinian textbooks, from leaders

of countries. This is a justice minister. Let him do the comparison because obviously if Muslims said that, then Jews are allowed to say that. No, no, no. There we go. I said I don't, no. You said you don't agree.

I know I don't, I'm repulsed by this kind of thing. Yeah, yeah. But to, if this is the sort of thing that bothers you. Well, that's when it comes from a justice minister. And I think the fair, no, well, I mean, there's plenty of people in, including from Arafat and Abbas who have horrible quotes about the Jews. How about, you know, this congresswoman today, but in America. But the idea is that if you want to use.

I'm not to defend Israel. If you want to use these quotes as the basis for a geopolitical argument in some way, then a fair-minded person would point out all the quotes on both sides because they should be equally damning of each side. I guess we were talking about where Israel is at today with its government, and so I thought it was fair to bring up the justice minister because she's a powerful person in the government

that's been voted democratically into power, and these are things that she... This is her... And it also lines up with her policies. But it's just because we're talking about... She has no policies. She's a... Yeah, I, I, this is her, this is, and it also lines up with her, her policies, but it's just because she has no policy. She's a, she's a, yeah, no, she's terrible. I mean her. What's the other guy they want to start?

Like, can I even more right? Nobody, I guess nobody. The thing is, is that nobody asked me to defend Abbas and, and, and Arafat, but everybody does expect me somehow to, you know, defend Israel. So that's why you can look out concern to me. You can look out on the American political landscape and you can find various politicians in office, out of office, who have said horrible things. And then you can take that and use that as an argument to paint America

as representing this one person who said that. But I do take that. I think of one, two, you need at least a bouquet of these things before you can say that this is... When someone's a cabinet minister

and they're not rebuked and they're not taken out of power for that... I'm sure they were rebuked. I'm sure they were rebuked. I don't... They were rebuked just like all of the

IDF soldiers that have killed Palestinian children and they apparently go on trial and nothing happens to them. I mean, give me a break. You're probably right about that.

But I'm old enough to remember when Israeli children were thrown out the window of kindergartens. It's horrible. Nobody's saying that's a good thing. But you're still doing comparison instead of being like, fuck, this sucks. Like these Palestinians are getting killed and I'm still defending Israel. How could you still defend a country that's doing that? It's representing you. And all they're doing is isolating themselves.

I'm happy for Jews and Muslims and Arabs and Semitic people to live in the Middle East where it's like open borders. The Misrachis could go back to their countries. The Muslims, we could all be neighbors. That's my hope. Open borders would be a slaughter. Yeah, because you think everybody's just going to attack you and kill you, but

you guys have the strongest army and the Western world is backing you up and the three billion taxes Now that we live here, we do pay taxes. I know, and it's definitely not for health care. What do you mean by open borders? I say that you create peace and all, yeah, I think that's what's going to end up happening. But what does open borders mean? That between... I say that you create peace and all...

Yeah, I think that's what's going to happen. But what does open borders mean? That anybody can go into any other country? The Middle East, yeah. Jews and Muslim, Semitic people live all together in the Middle East. So let me ask you this question. So this is what I think. I would love that.

This is what I think. You think that's realistic? I do. I'm an idealist. And I believe in peace and I love Jews and I want us to live together. As soon as... He's very make love, not war this one. Well, except it's astounding.

Everybody tells me that it's not realistic. Can I say something? I can tell you why. As soon as Sunni and Shiite could live together without slaughtering each other, as soon as Wahhabi or Alawite, as soon as any two Arab tribes could live together, I'll let me finish.

They will. As soon as any two, well, they do live together in many countries now. As soon as any two Arab countries could live together in peace and harmony, Arab tribes, then I might begin to say, well, yeah, maybe the one tribe they could live together without bloodshed would be the Jews. Come on now. Throughout that part of the world, it is tribe on tribe, slaughter and eradication.

To think that the one tribe that they would live nicely with is the Jews is why I think I see the world so differently than you guys. And I think that almost willfully, I am not defending any Israeli atrocity. There are dozens of them. But to think that the Arab world would not slaughter the Jews given the chance, when they say it over and over and over again, when the leaders have said it, when Arafat has said it. I mean, the leaders seem to be getting along with Israel so well these days. They say one thing in English.

The only people that are getting fucked over are the Palestinians repeatedly. I'm sorry. Saudi and Israel are best friends. Can I have a question for Eagle? Go ahead. Because of being half Jewish and half Jamaican, Saudi and Israel are best friends. Can I have a question for Eagle? Go ahead. Because of being like half Jewish and half Jamaican, does everybody ask you about Drake?

Is that like something that, like is he taking over? I literally talk about Drake almost every day, I feel like. Just on the way over here with Mateo, we were talking about Drake. Do you really talk about Drake? He gets brought up so much. Not because I want to. I'm not even a huge fan of Drake. But just because of the half Jewish, half black. Yeah.

And Drake is Canadian though. Yeah. That's where you guys part ways. Also, Drake had a thing with Millie Bobby Brown. His mom is Jewish. So his religion is Jewish as well. He's Jewish for real.

Yeah, he's like Jewish for real, for real. I saw pictures of him. Yeah, because his farm is Jewish. If your mom is Jewish, you got to take the religion. Are you Googling to make sure no

okay okay it's like pull out your phone isn't Drake like friends with Millie Bobby Brown in kind of an odd way was that

probably he does have a propensity towards young I'm not saying they're having sex I'm saying it is odd when a grown man

and a young child are friends in any capacity it seems sketchy there's some weird comparisons to R. Kelly right now happening with Drake. Oh, yeah? But not peeing, right?

No, not peeing. Just like the young relationship. Well, that's really the problem. You know, because Drake signed to Lil Wayne, and there's a video, and you would never expect Lil Wayne to be a part of this type of video, but it's a bar mitzvah. The whole rap video is a bar mitzvah.

Oh, shit. And it's kind of dope that Drake's like, no, we're going to bring this in. We're going to bring in the Jewish culture into hip-hop. By the way, Eagle, what are your thoughts on what y'all were just arguing about? No, on going to Las Vegas.

Oh, I'm so... I can't wait. Are you booked out there? No. I hope to get booked there soon. Me too. I would let Esty know that I'm willing to work with Eagle in Vegas. Me too. Because in Vegas it's all about going out there with people that you're knowing your friends with because it's a long week out there in Vegas.

Do you know how much more fun he could have without you in Vegas? Eagle? Look at him. We did great in Long Island together, man. Well, we were there for his briefly. He's going to take you along. He's going to be in tow. That's fine. Then don't book me. His old Jewish friend. But if Bestie wants to book me, there's a certain criteria that she must meet.

That means she must send me out with people that I know. I think you're in agreement with that. I'm in agreement with that. And I would say Eagles. Why do you want to spoil his good time? Why can't we send you out there with Ray Allen and the Alta Cockers? Whatever will get me out there. I will go out there with this table. I don't care.

Because Ray Allen is an emcee, and you already have an emcee out there. All right. So I'm willing to go out there. Can we talk about the Covington kids? What are you willing to do in Vegas? I'm willing to do what I always do, a great job.

Somebody to hang out with. Maybe we'll go see, if the weather permitting, we'll go to the Hoover Dam. Oh, look at Eagle. When I think of Vegas, that's what I think of, Hoover Dam. I'm down. Or maybe we'll go to the rooftop bar at the Rio Hotel and, you know.

He wants to go to strip clubs. Yo, I'm with it. I just want to go to Vegas. You know how dumb and nerdy you just sound to go to strip clubs to pay to see women's breasts? I actually don't like strip clubs. Of course not. Contr pay to see women's breasts? I actually don't like strip clubs. Of course not. Contrary to what you guys would expect, I don't like strip clubs. Because he actually likes to have sex, though.

Yes. Unlike you. I feel like strip clubs are a tease. That pay money just to see a boobie. Usually the girls in strip clubs are like my type in real life. They're like ratchet chicks. And I already have those girls on my phone. I'm like, I want to really have sex with this girl.

Thank you for revealing what a moron Noah is. Dan is the world's worst wingman. If you go to Vegas, you will not have sex. I can tell you that right now. He wanted to take me to a strip club for my birthday in Montreal, because we're from Montreal, which is, you know, the strip club capital of the world. And I just, I didn't like how

when they talk to you, they're trying to pump you up in a way where I'm like, I know she's lying to me. Oh, yeah. She's not going to give you a blowjob. No, she told me, well, yeah, she told me my French was really good,

which is soft. She's like, you look like Beyonce. You're like, this isn't right. Do men fall for this shit? Are you ladies open to, since you bought it up,

and we'll get to Covington in just a second, but since you brought up going to strip clubs, are you ladies open to the possibility of a third person in your relationship? No.

I always, yes, I would be. Oh, shit. Are you some gang? Not me. I think the Koran forbids that. I don't know if the Torah encourages it necessarily. I could never imagine being in an open relationship because I would get too jealous. But if it was something we did together, eventually.

But, I mean, it's... I would get jealous in the bedroom. I mean, she, like, hugs a pillow when she goes to bed at night and I'm jealous of the pillow. So I can't even imagine another person. I call the pillow my boyfriend just to make her mad. I'm just like, it's time to hug my boyfriend. That's right. I can't.

I can't imagine. No one wants to talk about another topic that, without question, I'm happy with threesomes. We will be in disagreement with. Maybe as intensely as about the Israel-Palestine conflict.

I'm very interested in this topic. We're speaking, of course, of the Covington Catholic high school boys, and I assume that you two are familiar with them. Yes. And Eagle, you're familiar with all that's going on? Where they were basically, it was the biggest story of the week on social media. What's the argument?

What's the argument? What's the premise? Well, Noam and I, I think I speak for Noam. Will you stop assuming how I feel about things, Dan? I'm against those little twerps. Are you against them? No, of course not. I'm not against them.

How could anybody be against them? Well, Noam and I both feel that they were horrifically treated by the media, and the media really dropped the ball. Well, even people who were against them have been apologizing right and left. There's not, I mean. But what did the media do? I mean, I know the picture went viral on social media. So I saw that the picture

was shared and a lot of people said really, you know, like terrible things about what they wanted to do to these kids. Well, because he looked like

he was mocking the guy while the guy was, was doing his, his, you know, training. I think he was mocking the guy. We've been 15 year old before.

Like, you mock people when you're young. But he wasn't mocking him. But turns out, turns out he was not. He was not. Apparently he was very respectful and he was just standing there admiring. The guy got in his face.

The guy chanting got into his face. Well, from what I understand, there was this small group of four black Israelites who were taunting the kids. Calling them faggots. Can I address something real quick? Black Israelites,

right, as a black person, they make us more uncomfortable. They make us more uncomfortable than they make white people. It is so uncomfortable walking past a black Israelite by 34th Street and they're like, fuck the white man. You're walking by with white people next to you and you're like, listen, that's not me.

They're so aggressive. I find the black Israelites, I have to say, entertaining as hell. I used to watch them on Channel 35 here in New York City, the public access channel, and those guys are a scream. They're always at 34th Street. You can see them live.

Live, they're a little bit more intimidating. This may shock you. Can I pause? I know some black Israelites. And I worked with some for many years in a band. And there's something very interesting. It's kind of an insight into human nature. Which is that I know they believe this stuff about the white man literally being spawned by having sex with Satan and all this crazy stuff. Yet, if I were in trouble, I know at least one of these dudes would be the first guy to come to my aid,

even though he technically believes all these things about me. The human mind is such that you can have these beliefs and at the same time be inconsistent. I went on the road this summer with a Trump supporter who's a hardcore Trump supporter. We went down south, not like the black down south like Atlanta and stuff, to like Virginia and all that shit. We went down there. We were doing shows in these white rooms

at breweries and stuff. And everybody was like, Eagle, you gonna go with him to these places? He's a Trump supporter. But I knew him as a person, like his character. I was like, I'm good. We're good. And we got along the whole trip. We were gone for like four weeks. We talked about politics, got along. But that's not actually the flip side.

I agree with your point, but just to be fair, a lot of Trump supporters, I know plenty of Trump supporters, I wouldn't call them the mirror image of black Israelites. I'd say a KKK member was closer to that, a white supremacist. There's plenty of Trump supporters who disassociate themselves from certain parts of his agenda, but just prefer him as president because they don't want Kamala Harris to be president,

or whatever that is. But I think we're basically saying the same thing, that people can't necessarily be judged. But having said that, the black Israelites, I know, wouldn't be spitting on some 16-year-olds, I don't think. Did they spit on the 16-year-olds? I don't think so.

I didn't see that. That was the report. When you're speaking loudly, you spit. Ask anybody in the front row of a comedy club. I've spit on so many people. I've spit on thousands over the years. Yeah, but you have wet lips. Anyway.

When you're speaking loudly into a microphone, you're spit flying. So here's what's interesting. I don't have a lot of sympathy for these kids personally. Of course you don't because that is the problem with America today. Is it? Of course it is. Wait, you have no sympathy for these kids personally. Of course you don't. Because that is the problem with America today. Is it? Of course it is. You have no sympathy for the kids? You should have a lot of sympathy for the kids.

Let me tell you why. You guys tell me why. Let me tell you why. A 16-year-old Hasidic Jew, a 16-year-old Palestinian, a 16-year-old Catholic school boy. Whatever he says is simply what he's been

raised to say by his parents. And if he's saying something horrible, then that's a social problem that needs to be addressed. Whether it's racism, whatever's coming out, anti-Semitism, whatever. I mean, we understand why they were even there in the first place. They were protesting for the right to life.

You know what? People have a right to protesting for the right to life. You know what? People have a right to protest for the right to life. Sure. And the idea that people were, even if you take it as true that these kids were saying bad things, the idea that people wanted, talking about putting them in wood chippers, want to see them punched. No. Of course I don't. That's not acceptable.

Well, it was acceptable. I'll tell you why it was acceptable. Because until it turned out that the story was false, nobody cared that these people were saying the left was fine with this kind of language. And let's also keep in mind. And that's why you should, I believe, as a decent person,

much more strong than the ambiguities of the Arab-Israeli conflict. I don't see much middle ground here. That is wrong. It is wrong to talk about kids talking that way. But I never said that it was. It shouldn't matter. I actually haven't even been able to say it.

You said you didn't feel bad for the kids. I'm saying it shouldn't matter to you whether you agree with their position on abortion or not. I didn't. Well, I don't agree with their position on abortion. It's irrelevant. It ought to be irrelevant. Well, irrelevant to what? I'm not saying.

Because that would be like me saying, if some Palestinian kid were treated that way, I'd be like, you know what, I don't feel bad for them. Why? Because I don't agree with them on Palestine. You probably don't. No, because what you would actually say would be like, well, you should see what happens to some Jewish kids. And that's exactly what you would say.

Because that's what you said earlier today. You can say what you want. We're all talking at the same time. You can say what you want, but you're being quite unfair. We're all talking at the same time. Eagle had something to say. Let's say hypothetically. I never got to finish a sentence. Let her say something.

Go ahead. I said what I don't feel badly about is that I don't agree with the fact that people should say that these kids, that they should be thrown in a woodchip or that anything violent should happen to them. But they're there at a protest and an image of anybody could go viral at any time. Nothing actually happened to these kids. They got a PR agency that their parents paid for to change the narrative completely. And the thing is, is that... So they are guilty.

If you're saying that the change in narrative that it's clearly... So they are guilty. Well, the only... If you're saying that the change in narrative was PR, then you think they did it. But what do we talk... What's the crime that we're talking about? Being disrespectful

towards a Native American man? Well, they talk... Like, jeering at him and doing a tomahawk, being just gross kids. They're being gross kids. Let me tell you what I think. And that's...

And you might think that that's fine, and I might think that that's gross. And that's all I'm saying. I might say, put them in jail. I know what I... Here's the thing, though, that that's fine, and I might think that that's gross. And that's all I'm saying. I'm not saying put them in jail. I know what I said. Here's the thing, though, is that is fine.

It is fine. It's not gross. It's not a bad thing. We have to understand. Let's say hypothetically they're actually terrible kids. Terrible people. It's a terrible school. Let him speak now.

It's a terrible school. It's a Catholic school. They're terrible. Let's say hypothetically speaking they're terrible people, and because of their age that makes them terrible kids, right? Like, we could go down the list of great people in the history of the world that before the age of 20 were like pimps, murderers, prostitutes. Like Malcolm X.

And people change. Especially when youth becomes a certain age, they change. Like, so for us to condemn them for being bad as teenagers is ridiculous. They're not bad as teenagers. They're just regular teenagers. The condemnation is a school. Is a school because of everything that you see that has come out about the school? About the blackface?

That was not blackface. That was Snopes debunked that. Well, Snopes said that it was black face paint because it was a blackout day. I didn't hear about this. It's ridiculous. And the post debunked it. And then in the other videos against women who they were saying it's not rape. Hold on.

This is what it's. Okay. I'm just saying in the context. Can you hold on one second? Because it's ridiculous what you're saying. First of all, I'm going to take two points and you can say what you want. The blackface was debunked because what they have because they have a blackout day, which they apparently have at football games, too, where everybody

draws to make the camera look all black. And so the kids would also paint their whole face black. I mean, paint their whole body black, not their face, their arms, everything as part of this blackout day. And sometimes it would be all blue, sometimes it was all black. This is what Snopes said, this is what Poe said, and even in the video, it said blackout

day. And it's the only day that they's the only day that they, and there was no, nobody ever said any, like nobody on the other team said they were doing it because it was black, I believe there were black players on the other team. It's absurd to think that's what it was. But let's say it was that. What you're saying is that, if somebody in my daughter's school does something racist, and then five years later, my daughter is totally accused unfairly of doing something. That's not what I'm saying. Then why is it relevant? I don't understand.

Why is it relevant to these kids that somebody at their school did something in blackface five years earlier? Because what we're talking about is the school. Because what we're condemning is the school. So I'm talking about the context of the school and there's been many, besides that, many other examples

of things that have happened at that school that people have come up with. I read, but you guys are saying two different things so you guys are part of it. Can we please not all talk

at the same time? You stop. I read, I didn't say anything for the past ten minutes. I read a brilliant tweet. I'll read it to you and then I will stop talking.

I posted it on Facebook. You say that every time. I really will. It says, it's a guy named Jeremy McClellan who I don't know who it is but he's verified.

We have reached... So meaning that he's somebody. We have now... I think we performed with him in South Carolina. Oh yeah. I don't know if he's a comedian. Or the Christian guy.

I don't think he's a comedian. Anyway, it says, we have now reached the bargaining phase. Bargaining is in quotes. The bargaining phase think he's a comedian. Anyway, he says, we have now reached the bargaining phase, bargaining is in quotes, the bargaining phase of the five stages of grief that you shared

an internet hoax. Five stages of grief that you shared an internet hoax, which is when you pivot to smaller and smaller allegations in an attempt to justify the original mob.

The smartest ones drop truth altogether and pivot to the larger context. He hit the nail on the head. When it turned out that this was just a fucked up, unfair attack on some innocent kids, rather than

coming to the defense of the injustice, now we're going to talk about their school. Now what do they do? They attack the internet. There must be something out there we can find about this school to somehow cleanse what we've done to these kids. Aha, we found it.

Five years ago, there was a blackout day. It's a horrible school. Now we can talk about that. We don't have to talk about what we did to these kids. Now I'm done. Okay, but there's also a video of those same kids, you know, yelling at women. No, there's not. You didn't see that video?

I saw the accusation, and it's not. There was a video of one kid, and I don't know if it was the same kid. It's not the same kid. We know that it's not the same kid. Okay, it might not have been the same kid. They're not from the same group? Nope. Listen, my point is that you're talking about this incredible injustice,

and I don't know what happened to these kids other than that the picture went viral. Can you just admit something? It's their politics you don't like. If you reverse this to a right to a pro-choice march, you'd be making exactly the opposite arguments, don't you? You think you would be bringing up their school if this was a pro-choice march? You think you would be saying any of this stuff if you agree with their politics? She asked a direct question.

What happened to these kids? You're talking about like it's been the gravest injustice, like some black kid was murdered. Well, I'll tell you what, everybody went back and said like, well, look at what. Look, he wasn't such an innocent guy. Could I answer that question? I'm just asking, what happened? Well, first of all. What actually happened? He's going to tell you.

What happened? Number one is this. Even if nothing happened, it reveals the media has a big, big problem. And that's one thing. Okay. Number two, there were death threats. There were people on the internet. Kathy Griffin went full retard. She didn't there were death threats. There were people on the Internet. Kathy Griffin went full retard.

She didn't have far to go. And she said, I want names. I want these kids doxxed. That's nuts. I would never agree with something like that. That's what happened to them. We don't agree with that. We're not supporting that.

That's what happened to them. Nobody said you'll agree with them. I'm not done yet. The first confrontation. The confrontation. I'm asking about the confrontation. What happened that he was wrong? She asked asking what happened to them. I'm not done yet. The first confrontation. I'm asking about the confrontation. What happened that he was wrong? She asked him what happened. What happened is that people all over the internet were saying things like,

does this kid have the most punchable face ever? Unacceptable. He does have a punchable face. He has a very punchable face. I'm sorry. It's not nice to be violent and encourage violence. That's not what Stane, you have a punchable face. As opposed to Palestinian children being snakes. Really? Be like violent and encourage violence. That's not what saying you have a punchable face is. And imagine what...

As opposed to Palestinian children being snakes. Really? Really? It's okay to talk about punchable faces? I mean, that's not a racial slur. That's saying this particular kid is not saying a group of people... It is a racial slur because you wouldn't say it if you were black. You would never say it in 100 years if you were black.

If you had a punchable face? No, you would not. Oh, yeah, we would. Oh, please. See? No. We would. This is typical of your... We would. This is typical.

We would. Art Kelly doesn't have a punchable face. If you rape enough people, you'll condemn a black man. But a white kid smirks, and he's public enemy number one. Eagle, you say what? He's not just smirking out of context. He's right up in this Native man's face. If you don't kill him now.

That's Keith Robinson. That's Keith Robinson. First of all, I want to deal with him now. It's Keith Robinson. That's Keith Robinson. First of all, I want to deal with this first. R. Kelly doesn't have a punchable face. That little white kid genuinely looks punchable. Like, his face is ugly in a punchable way. He just looks like somebody you can take off. R. Kelly's like squinty face.

I've never been a fan. Even from the LVF days before, I knew he was a rapist. Eagle, I think you are giving in to the fact that you're a comedian and you're saying something, and I know what you're saying. Yes. But it's okay when Eagle says it because he's a comedian. But when you say it, you're saying it with actual resentment towards this kid. No, I just said that's a fact. I never said he should be punched.

I didn't even post about this. I didn't pile on. Keith Robinson has something to say when Dan said if a white kid black kids are getting shot every fucking day by cops it's universally condemned as it should be

not at this table how does the media handle it what kind of picture do they put out nobody condemns it nobody condemns black kids My people don't have it. Nobody condemns black kids being shy? Oh my God,

only people like us. How does the media get off the hook so often? I condemn it. What did we do? How does the media handle it?

He wasn't such a good kid. Do you know how hard it is to talk about anything with a liberal? Because we go from this kid coming to school and now we're talking about the black cops killing the

police killing black cops. The difference is you're talking about media. Please, one at a time. I made the point. Dan made the point. If a black kid had did it, we'd have been taken up for him. Black kids get shot. Of course black kids get shot. All the time. But I'm saying, what I said

to her, if Keith came in That she If this kid I said if this kid was pro-choice Rather than pro-life Pro-life She wouldn't be saying Any of this stuff about him

Well if he was up In that Native American space In the exact same way He didn't get in The Native American space Yes he was He was right up So tell me what happened

The Native guy Started chanting No the Native American Walked up to him Can you please tell me? He walked up to him chanting? But just chanting. I'm not afraid of you anymore, Keith.

Not like chanting at him. He was in a circle and started chanting. What happened exactly? There's two hours of it. You can read about it. The point is, the kid did nothing but mind his own business the entire time. He looked like he was up close in his guy's business. Because the guy walked that close to him.

So the guy walked to him and he just stood there. And the nerve of him, he just stood there. Okay, that's all that happened. I'm going to read up about it because I don't know. I didn't know that it was the main interest that started the whole thing. I think people need to condemn the school more than the kids and talk to the parents more than the kids. For what?

What did they do wrong? If there's any situation when it comes to kids and they're pissing people off, right? Let's say there's an argument that they did something wrong, right? Which there obviously is. Why are we attacking the kids? I agree with you. We do not give kids, even you talk about the R. Kelly situation,

kids don't have rights to make any type of choices so why should they get punished like there's a rapper Triple X that died right he died

they pulled up things of him beating up his ex-girlfriend beating up a gay dude in jail and then on Twitter they said good that he died

I'm happy he died he was 19 I'm like it's horrible y'all don't remember Malcolm X y'all don't remember all these people

that changed this is bullshit we should not attack kids cause it's the same mentality that attacks black kids I'm like, y'all don't remember Malcolm X? Y'all don't remember all these people that changed? This is bullshit. We should not attack kids. Because it's the same mentality that attacks black kids. What Keith said is a good point. When black kids get shot, they go, well, he was in a gang. That has nothing to do with him getting shot by the cop.

And with these white kids. This guy is a victim. Everybody's crying over him now. Black kids lose their lives all the time and nobody gives a fuck. Hold on. Keith, one a fuck Keith, one second Keith, one second can I tell you what really bothers me here is that the people who I know probably are outraged by bullying

somehow go soft on this kid being bullied a punchable face because you don't like his politics and I think what it exposes to me hold on when you tell somebody because you don't like his politics. And I think what it exposes to me... Saying someone has a punchable face doesn't say they should be punched or bullied. When you tell somebody...

That's just a fact. I don't think these kids have politics. I think they're trolls. When people are tweeting about... I don't think they genuinely need to be bullied. When people tweet about somebody having a punchable face, that's bullying. I mean...

And the fact... What I'm trying to get to is that I think that it's exposing a real fucking meanness in human nature. And, you know, And when you're allowed to think that your meanness is righteous, then look out because you're the most... I mean, how do we explain all these nice liberal people tweeting this stuff about children if they're not fucking mean.

I guess my point, can I just make one point? The reason we brought up black kids is because of the difference in the way that the media treats a white kid from a black kid. That's not the reason we brought it up. That's the reason I brought it up. I was the one that brought it up.

I was like, somebody brought up black kids? I didn't even know. I brought it up because of that reason, because of the difference in treatment. But let's look at the difference. We don't say black in front of Keith. Let's look at the difference in treatment. We can, but I just want to make one other point,

and that is that the suggestion that all of this meanness and all of this dog... I think you're mean. I really do. You put so much on me that you've assumed so much about me because I'm married to a Palestinian. Because you assume it. Really? You think that's why? No, because you're like, you're this liberal. You've already... We on me that you've assumed so much about me because I'm married to a Palestinian. Because you assume it. Really?

You think that's why? No, because you're like, you're this liberal. We've never met before. And you're already assuming so much on me that you don't even know who I am. I think you're mean because you failed to express any sympathy for this kid. And that's why I think you're mean. Nothing to do with... But why should I have sympathy?

We argue about the Arabic-Israeli conflict. Believe me. I spent my life surrounded by Arabic people. I think you're mean. Nothing to do with... But why should I have to be... We argue about the Arabic-Greli conflict. Believe me, I spent my life surrounded by Arabic people. I couldn't care less. Actually, on the contrary, I think it's very nice

when I see Arab and Jewish couples getting together. I find that heartwarming. There's nothing about me that is bothered by the fact that you have a... You painted a picture of me and you put a lot of words

in my mouth. I want to make that because there's nothing about me that has at least been upset with you being married to an Arabic woman. I think it's wonderful. But I'm mean. I'm a mean person. You are. I think you're mean because you seem to, in the end, be finding ways to find something to hang your hat on rather than saying, my God, that's terrible.

If that had been my son, I would have been crying. Keith has something he's dying to say. Look, the kid with the Indian guy was out of pocket. He's a very disrespectful kid. That was it. You didn't see the video.

The two-hour video? Where the Indian guy walks right up to him? Yeah, I see the whole thing. But that's a grown-up. If my kid had done anything like that with a grown-up, leave. Leave this space. When you deal with a grown-up, the kid's setting a grown-up's face. What did he do?

He just sat there. He just stood there. No, he was doing it. It wasn't just him. It was a whole mob of them. I'm talking about this kid. He was a mob? You know why they were there?

They were waiting to be picked up. But listen, as a liberal, I want to say one thing. I do not think. If that was his kid. So once again, as a child, you should blame the parent. You guys, out of your mind. If I was his parent, I would have taught him better. In any normal situation, when a bunch of 15 and 16-year-old kids are in any way aggressed upon by grown-ups.

This guy was aggressive? Well, walked up to his face. Yeah, and the black kids. Well, that's why we have to watch the video. In any way, we never blame the kids. We always say, as a matter of fact, if there were two adults and somebody got in the other person's face and the other person pushed him out of the way,

you say, listen, you provoked him. But with kids, nobody talks this way. This is crazy talk. It's meanness. Look at yourself. You're mean. She said he had a problem. She didn't incite violence. You can't find empathy in your heart for a 16-year-old if you don't like his politics

and you don't like he's Catholic. I wouldn't say no one talks this way. She definitely did not say that I don't like him because he's Catholic. I wouldn't say no one talks this way. I didn't say you didn't like him. I said you can't find empathy. You said you're accusing me of things that are baseless. Do you have empathy for this kid? I do not have empathy in this situation.

That's okay. We agree. I have empathy for the Native American man. So you just repeated. Do you have empathy for the Native American man? Hold on. Or do you hate him because he's Native American? That's how you're talking to me right now.

All right. Can I just clarify? Can I clarify, please? No, Matthew's jest of not liking this kid because he's Catholic. No, having no empathy for him. No, she said he has

a punchable face. She could say he has a punchable face. She's not saying punch him in the face. I just asked... He has an annoying face. You just tell me

he doesn't have an annoying face. She said he has a very annoying face. Why am I supposed to have empathy for him? Tell me what's empathetic. I was about to summarize everything. Please go ahead. I don't want an annoying face. You just tell me he doesn't have an annoying face. She said she has a very annoying face. Why am I supposed to have empathy for him? Tell me what's empathetic. I was about to summarize everything. Please go ahead.

I don't want this to end. Noam did, in fact, accuse Jess of having some anti-Catholic bias. I want to clarify that Jess denies anti-Catholic bias, and we have no evidence to suggest that she has anti-Catholic bias. No, not anti-Catholic bias. Yes, she said that. You said you don't like Catholic schools. I didn't, but I don't.

I didn't say I don't like Catholic schools. I didn't, but I don't, I don't, I didn't say I don't like Catholic schools. You didn't like that the school was Catholic. I didn't like the stories that I've heard about the school. Do you like Catholic schools?

And I don't think that, I don't care one way or the other. You support their right? She didn't like their right? I don't think that they should be tax exempt, especially when they're

busing kids for a political purpose every year to protest and try to control women's bodies. No, I don't. I don't think they should be tax exempt. Catholics are all religious. I don't think religions, in general, especially when they have a political agenda.

Do you think that makes your perspective on this situation biased at all? No, I don't think so. I mean, I just have to see this video of this Native man attacking this person. Let me tell you why you're wrong. That's what I want to see. I think there should be levels of empathy

for both parties. I think the Native American people, whatever, there should be empathy for them. And by the way, he was a liar. How was he a liar? He lied about serving in Vietnam. He lied about serving in Vietnam. He did not serve in Vietnam. He told two different stories. Where are we? He told two different stories about the whole incident.

One to the Washington Post, one to CNN. Wait, you're saying he didn't serve in Vietnam? He did not serve in Vietnam. He was a Vietnam-era veteran. I don't know that he ever made the claim that he served in Vietnam, but the media made that claim. I thought he was a veteran. This goes back to your original thing, which is the media is a bigger part of this problem.

The media has dropped the ball, obviously, big time. I agree that the media is a problem. This is certainly lending a lot of credence to Trump's accusations of fake news and a huge score for Trump in terms of him getting back into office in 2020.

This is going to help, I think, a great deal. The media jumps on everything whether it's right, whether it benefits the right or whether it benefits the left, without properly vetting the story. That may be, but then the media... Can I get in now? And it is a win for Trump, whatever the media is undermined. I want you to try a thought experiment and try it in good faith.

Let's say this was a pro-life march. These kids were there marching pro-life. Pro-choice, you mean. Pro-choice. It was a pro-choice march. And I don't know who marched up to them. Somebody in a MAGA hat marched up to the pro-choice kid

just the way this Indian did with the drum in this kid's face. And exactly the same thing. He smiled. Exactly the same thing transpired. Do you really believe you'd have the same outcome? That it doesn't matter to you what their ideology is? It's hard for me to imagine a liberal being that offensive.

No, it's hard for me to imagine a man in a MAGA. Let's be honest. It's hard for me to imagine, to equate an older Native American man. You're going to find a way to avoid the question. Okay, that's fine. Well, no, I just, I can't really equate a MAGA Change it to MAGA Change it to anybody you want Instead of MAGA hat it was a pro-life hat

And a pro-lifer Walked right up to him with a drum Boom boom boom boom You would be blaming the pro-life guy You're seeing the drum as an aggressive thing When the drum was actually something to diffuse the tension between the Israelites and the kids. Of course it's an aggressive thing.

No, how is it an aggressive thing? When you walk up to somebody's face and start banging a drum. Don't say even if it wasn't because it was. Why do you think the guy walked up to him and started banging the drum? I don't think the drum itself was aggressive. I think him walking up with the... He was trying to diffuse the situation between the Israelites and the kids.

It's weird because when you watch the short clip, it feels different than when you watch the long clip. The long clip is what's valid. Whether or not it was aggressive is not the point. The point is, what did the kid do wrong? And the answer is nothing. He stood there. He had what looked like...

He didn't look like he was mocking him? I'm not going to say the kid did nothing wrong. I'm not going to say the kid did nothing wrong. He did nothing wrong in my estimation. I think that's disrespectful. I think it depends how you're raised. When somebody walks up to you in a beating drum... If an adult walks up to me and I'm in high school

and they're protesting some shit... I move. Why should he move when somebody walks up to you with a drum? I think he was disrespectful. That's an adult. Exactly.

You're supposed to respect your elders. I think that's where he failed. I'm not saying he should go to jail. I just think he was disrespectful. It's not even that he's Native American. Just he's older. He's just a grown man. An older guy walks into a kid's face

two inches from his face and the kid's got to move? Absolutely. The kid is obligated to move? He's an adult. I don't know. We were raised differently. Now, we don't know.

Everybody spins. I don't want to say with the kid, but I believe that if I were in that situation at 16, I would have been nervous. I would not have known what to do. That smile I've seen. I'm an employer. I agree with that. I see people making smiles like that quite often.

I agree with that. They might be wanting to be ready to cry. He's a 16-year-old kid. He's surrounded by his friends. I don't want to drive this. But that's peer pressure. His friends made him more nervous. You can see it.

The only reason we're even having this conversation is because you don't like his politics. We don't like his politics. We're having this conversation because you guys brought up the topic. No, what I mean, if this was a pro-choice kid and it was a pro-life adult that got in his face, you would be saying one thing and one thing only. What the fuck was up with that pro-choice kid and it was a pro-life adult

that got in his face, you would be saying one thing and one thing only. What the fuck was up with that pro-life guy walking into that kid's face? Period. My interpretation of that...

And if the kid behaved badly, you would say, all right, the kid behaved badly, the adult provoked him. I really don't think so. You're putting words in her mouth. Let's wait until a situation happens.

She won't even deny it. I don't... I asked her to picture it and she said she couldn't. It's because it's not realistic. I don't know what this is. It's really not realistic. I don't think a liberal kid who's raised properly to be liberal would do something like that. Did you read the tweets from liberals?

I did. It's horrible. And I never condoned any of it. So how is it not realistic? It's terrible. So they'll tweet it, but they would never do it in a protest? Yes. All talk.

They're all talk. That's where they draw the line. That's right. I mean, I think that there's violent people on both. And Antifa, they never committed any violence? Did they? I mean, did they? I don't know.

Of course they have. Liberals have never committed any violence? I mean, can we just get each other's email and send each other news articles every day? Has anybody been murdered? Because I don't know where you're getting your news. Nobody was murdered here. No, but did Antifa ever murder anybody? Not to my knowledge, no.

Because the white supremacists have, so. That's right. I'm not defending white supremacists. I didn't think that you were. I'm just saying that you're suggesting or you're putting things that way. This whole topic is going off left so many times where it's like way off topic.

Somehow we brought up police brutality, white supremacists. Can we stay on topic with these kids? Should I read that tweet again? Because this is so extra. Because this is what happens is there's false equivalency.

There's no need to even bring up white supremacy or kids getting shot by cops because this is nothing compared to those topics. Well, when you talk about Antifa, the opposing side has been,

that's the opposing side is the white supremacists. And can we add another thing? We're going to wrap it up. I want another thing that bothers me about this type of conversation, besides the fact that the lack of, I don't know, logical discipline that makes it impossible to have a conversation when people won't stay within kind of the logical guardrails of the subject matter.

You just want us to agree with you. No, no. That's the only thing. I just want to talk about the kid. I'm not finished. Okay, sorry. I was just going to distill it to him the only thing. I just want to talk about the Kibbutz. I'm not finished. I was just going to distill it to you. The other thing that happens, and it happens too many times that I know that it's not a

is that a guy like me who's taking this position is an attempt to smear me as somehow being sympathetic to Palestinians being killed, black children being killed, white supremacy, all this stuff, because it's conflated with my position. Because if it weren't relevant, why would you bring it up? And it really bugs me. It really bugs me, because I am way more a man of a principle than basically anybody

I know. I don't give a shit what these guys' points of view were. If this was a black kid, a Palestinian kid... Have you been disheeded about Palestinian kids and black kids? Every week. If it was any child, 16 years old,

that I saw had been getting threats and it turned out it was a lie, that would be all I would talk about. I wouldn't even care what his... It doesn't matter what his politics are. It doesn't matter. The only difference we have here is that you are empathetic to this kid, and I

think that he was being disrespectful, and we see that differently. I don't agree that there should be violence against him. I don't think his life should be ruined. I don't think he should be punched. In the end, the headline is, the headline was attractive, but the new headline that

bothers you is, child was disrespectful. It's not what was done to him. How he can't. If you said, if you just said, hold on a second. Please let Eagle go. You just said, right,

that you don't think his life should be threatened, but you're also simultaneously not at all empathetic towards him. That's bullshit. That's contradictory. So technically, you are empathetic towards him

to some extent. I mean, if he got beat up, we wouldn't be okay with that. But you don't want his life to be threatened. We wouldn't be okay with that. But you don't want his life to be threatened. We wouldn't be okay with that. That's not true. That's not true. Do you care about these children that are getting killed by the IDF?

I want to see. She's going to do it right now. Go ahead. Do you care about the Palestinian kids that are getting killed by the IDF on a regular basis? I said it like ten times already. Of course I care. Do you fight for them the way that you fight for the Palestinian kids? You see, I'm doing exactly what I said.

You're doing that to us. You're going to smear me. You're going to smear me as being unsympathetic. Iman, just be quiet for one second. You see how she did exactly to me what I just laid out? She did. Now she's smearing me as not caring about Palestinian kids. I agree with you. Because I have the nerve to talk about this Catholic boy that didn't do anything wrong.

I don't know you, but I feel like you're getting so heated for that. Just because a person has... Was somebody shot here? No. Was that kid shot there? So why are you talking about Palestinian kids being shot? I was trying to be mine. Because I can't imagine you being so angry for that.

By the way, I've never done this podcast. Is it always this intense? No. No, but I don't agree. I was trying to keep things on the rails, and Iman, that was really not helpful. Uh-oh. No, but I, because I was just trying to distill it to the fact that, like, I do not think, I don't agree with doxing.

I don't agree with the right or the left. And it's obviously happened on both sides. I mean, look at what. What do you mean by don't agree? I don't think, I don't agree that with violence. How much does it bother you? It bothers me a lot that people, anyone. Are you outraged by doxing? Are you outraged by doxing?

I am. Because it could happen to anybody. I mean, look at what happened to, and I can't believe it, Christine Bladford. Christine Blasey Ford, yeah. Blasey Ford. Look, I mean, I know a guy. Was she doxed? She can't even go back to her own house.

She can't go back to work. No, I'm asking, was she doxed? I didn't know she was doxed. She's been threatened like she can't even go back to her own house. She can't go back to work. No, I'm asking you, was she doxxed? I didn't know she was doxxed. She's been threatened. Like, she can't even go back to her life. I know she got death threats. I didn't hear about the doxxing. I'm just asking you.

Well, doxxing is part of the same thing. I'm not challenging it. No, doxxing is giving out the name and address and all that stuff. But that's because her name and address was given away, that she wasn't able to return to her home, right? I'm just asking you if she was doxxed. I didn't know she was doxxed. Even though he seems really angry.

He's just asking you a question. Sorry, I don't mean to react angry. I'm angry because I can't believe that that was quite a large story. I know about the death threats. Right. And she can't go. Anyway, but it's just to say that it happens all the time and it can happen to anybody. It can happen to me.

All right. I got death threats. I got death threats. I got death threats. My kids. I got a threat on Facebook kind of about my kids when Louie told a joke about the Parkland shooting

at some other club he's touring. So, you know, whatever. Eagle, just to review, you think the kid was disrespectful because he didn't move or because he had that wry smile on his face? I think because he didn't move. I think the smile was a result of the peer pressure.

His friends, he's feeling nervous. Should I stay? Should I move? He didn't know what the fuck to do. He doesn't know what to do. I think that smile was him being nervous. I interpreted the smile. But I think he should have moved, though. I think he 100% should have moved.

I interpreted the smile as him trying not to laugh. I think he should have moved. Yeah, but no 16-year-old's not going to laugh when some dude with a drum comes up to him. I don't know. I just think he should have moved. This is great. Guys, guys, listen. You know, don't you think if he had better manners, he'd be like, this is great. Let this guy, you know.

You know, we can't be mind readers. We don't know with any certainty that anybody, I think, would form a decision on what was going through that kid's mind. Whether he meant that,

whether that was a nervous smile, whether he was stressed, whether he was mocking him. I will stipulate any one of those for the sake of argument. He could have been mocking him. Absolutely.

What I'm saying is that a 16-year-old, two more years of high school ahead of him, that just went through being called faggot and cracker, and then has a guy pounding his drum in his face. I'm sure these kids were scared by those guys. When I was 16, if I had four black Israelites coming at me like that, I would have been scared.

With your whole, with like a hundred other kids around you? Keith, you say it. I mean, just saying scary black guys is so horrible. Let me say this. Let me say this. It's so horrible. Alright, I know what, I didn't understand what you meant. Okay. Four scary men who happen to be black. Four scary men. No, no, no.

Because the black Israelites, which makes me say scary black guys. Black Israelites, if you've seen them on 34th Street, this is a scary thing. They look like Hasidic Jews, but black. But the things that are coming out of their mouths are scary. I'm going to show you the hypocrisy of it all. Go ahead. With these white kids, oh, they're 16.

They were just kids. And I got to say this. Trayvon Martin was 16 and just a kid, and he was shot. And nobody had that take. Not you, not anybody else. He said, well, he... I did have that take. No, you didn't.

I absolutely did have that take. You didn't have he was 16. You had that... Of course I did. I thought that... That George Zimmerman wasn't guilty. No, I didn't. We can rehash it.

That's absolutely not the case. What I said, I remember what I said was that there was that difficult contradictory testimonies where one person thought that Zimmerman was on top of Trayvon, and one person thought that Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman, and given that fucked up law in Florida, I didn't see how a jury was going to be able to decide beyond a reasonable doubt. But I always said that the idea that a guy like George Zimmerman could legally approach

a 16-year-old was ridiculous. I always said that. Well, it was different from... I'm just saying that the kids... And I always thought that the law was bad, too. I thought the kids were very disrespectful. And, you know, but I just see a difference when it comes to these white kids The law was bad, too. I thought the kids were very disrespectful. But I just see a difference when it comes to these white kids that their lives were looked at differently.

But can I agree with you, by the way? I do think you're absolutely right. They do treat 16-year-old black kids. They do hold them to a standard of judging them in a way that is not fair to them being 16. I don't think Trayvon is the best example because he was a victim who got shot. But I mean, if a 16-year-old black kid was disrespectful to a guy who got in his face,

yeah, I think they might judge that 16-year-old more harshly. Do you really think that if these kids were black, this would even be a story? Or do you think that... I don't believe so. On bright parts. They'd probably get, like, shot. I don't believe...

It'd be a huge story. Yeah, They'd probably get, like, shot. I don't believe. It'd be a huge story. Yeah, they'd probably get shot for being mad. I agree. I agree. I don't think necessarily, I mean, there was no one there to shoot them, but I think it'd be a big story. We have four black Israelites that were saying, among other things, America's wrong for supporting faggots, calling these kids incest, babies, future school shooters, and saying that basically it's a fact that white people were devils.

And that was not the story. The story was a kid that smirked. So there's a double standard there too. Is there not? Not Israelites. It did look... I'll grant you the Israelites, we dismiss them as foolish clowns. I think it was just a lot of people

recognized in this guy's smirk. Do you not believe, and if you read the tweets and if you read the tweets if you read the tweets, there were a lot of the word white was used quite frequently amongst tweeters and the MAGA hat. And the white.

So before we get to what's wrong with the MAGA hat, don't you think that there is, whether or not there's racism against black people, we'll agree that of course there is, but don't you think there's a lot of people out there that are just dying to smear white kids? Okay, can I say something?

Do you think so or no? I don't know. I don't think so. White kids, very easy. White kids, that can be associated with Trump, yeah. But let me say, when I say what's wrong with the MAGA hat, Trump won, I don't know, 47% of the vote. And that's Make America Great Again is his slogan, and

that would be the natural hat for that. I wouldn't wear a MAGA hat, but I do know when I was, for instance, when I was a musician, I had a guy, you ever know, you know Kenny X, the beatboxer, I guess goes by Kenny Muhammad now, he's like the world's greatest beatboxer, he used to play with me,

you can see him on YouTube, you can check him out, Kenny Muhammad with a He's like the world's greatest beatboxer. He used to play with me. You can see him on YouTube. You can check him out. Kenny Muhammad with a full symphony orchestra. He's amazing and talented. But he was, not a black Israelite, he was like a Farrakhan guy.

And he would come in to rehearsal right around the time that Farrakhan was calling Jews a gutter religion and saying, he'd come in with a Farrakhan t-shirt.

And I remember thinking, I said, well, you know, if I wore, I'm like, you know, all right, whatever. Let's just let it go. And we worked together. But this is the double standard that if somebody were to complain about some kid wearing a Farrakhan t-shirt, people would not be sympathetic to that. Yet a MAGA hat is considered to be like, that's a provocation.

I think the difference is that, you know, for me, there's a lot of extremists and racists and anti-Semites and whatever. Like Farrakhan? Sure, but there's a difference when it comes from the highest level of power in the country and it is, and you have the president who is saying there's good people on both sides.

And when kids are repeating Trump's lines while they're committing a racist act and wearing the hat. What was a racist act? Well, in any, there's, I mean, there's so many, there's been so many hate crimes in the country. No, I'm not saying these kids. Jews have been victims of that, too.

Since Trump, there's been so. Jews were victims before Trump, too. Right. But a lot more. But I guess what I'm saying. Actually, the trajectory has been going up since, I'm not blaming Obama, God forbid, but it's been going up since like 2009.

And this just continued through Trump, but it's not new under Trump. But it's a lot more. But the difference under Trump is that many times when hate crimes have been committed, people have been echoing things that he has said and wearing his hat. And so there is an association between those things.

This is, I think, a problem with that. I agree with you on some of that, but the problem with that point of view is that you're going to have to make some allowance for the fact that there are people on the other side, and they get to wear the hats of their slogans and not even... And they do.

And I do not think many of them, in percentage numbers, are David Duke supporters or Richard Spencer supporters. I doubt these Catholic school guys were white supremacists. But they're supporters of a president that has said such awful things, racist, sexist. They're supporters of the president and their kids. And it's not helpful at some point to focus on such petty little things

as them wearing the hat of the president that they voted for. It makes it... But what do you mean? What should be the focus? No, no. If that's an infraction, then at some point it just becomes impossible to have a civil society anymore. In other words, and that's kind of the way I felt about the Farrakhan t-shirt.

I'm like, you know what? There's so much about what Farrakhan... I mean, this guy's wearing a t-shirt of like the modern-day anti-Semite, but I'm like, you know, I just have to let that go because... But what power does Farrakhan have? You know, I'm not saying... What power does he have?

I'm not saying to wear the t-shirt. Oh, he's got a lot of power. Farrakhan's pretty powerful, but, I mean, he wasn't Trump powerful, but he was powerful. Well, he's not in office. Yeah, he wasn't as powerful as Trump, but he was powerful.

He's not shutting down the cover. He's not running the whole show. Well, she just said there's always hate crimes you have to look at it even like with the Farrakhan shirt you have to look at it like this

where it's like just because he has that shirt does not mean that he agrees with the anti-Semite parts of Farrakhan Farrakhan also had a lot of other shit that was pro-black

and just because someone has a mega hat doesn't mean that it's the exact concepts that make you hate Trump and I know you might go oh well I hate everything

about Trump well then I don you might go, oh, well, I hate everything about Trump. Well, then, I don't know. Kanye wears a MAGA hat. I don't like Kanye, and I think he has psychological issues. But here's the thing. You know what's interesting? Okay, so this is something

that's interesting about the liberal side versus the conservative side, right? Is Kanye wore a Trump hat at the same time as he wore a Kaepernick jersey. And the conservatives ignored the Kaepernick jersey, just acted like it was never worn. And the liberals went, he wore a Trump hat, fuck Kanye. And it's like,

but he also wore a Kaepernick jersey. Where's the balance? At that point, you're just like, I think the two cancel each other out. No, but Kanye was making a point, I believe, that they don't cancel each other out. The point is, you can have complex thoughts. I don't know why we all have to think aligned, like mentally.

I think he needs to be medicated, though. What he said about slavery and all of that, come on. That's not a person that we could use as an example because he's something wrong with him. We're not using him as an example. We're using his action, specific action, just that action as an example.

I think the MAGA hat erases the Kaepernick sweatshirt. How does it erase the Kaepernick? But that makes no sense. How does it erase the Kaepernick? Because of all of the racism that the person who came up with the MAGA hat has spewed. But that literally makes no sense. You're letting that side win by going, it erases the Kaepernick jersey. That literally makes no sense.

And the guy that was wearing it said that slavery was a choice. So that's how it's canceled. He said it was wearing it said that slavery was a choice. So that's how it's canceled. He said it, but he was trying to make a point. He didn't really mean it was a choice. But anyway, I will say something. You know, I don't vote, and I'm not partisan. Oh, no.

But he actually doesn't vote, which is odd. Because he feels that his vote wouldn't matter in New York. That's not the only reason. That's one of the reasons. But I just don't want to be associated with a party. But I tell you this, when I hear. Nobody has to know. No, no. When I hear the, the seething stuff coming out of the left of center positions these days, I, despite all the problems I have with Trump and the right, I, no matter, and I, and I know he's reckless,

I fear the country turning even furthermore in a direction of the, of not your politics, of the meanness and the, almost the fascism of that, like, you know, you can't wear that hat. You can't, it's like, it scares me. It's not you can't. Nobody said you can't. As a comedy club owner, I had a particular experience with this because I had the nerve to let Louis perform.

You don't know what I went through. You made a lot of money. You know what? That is typical of the dismissive kind of comments that I got. There's no money in it. We weren't billing him. We didn all, there's no money in it. We think

we weren't billing him. We didn't charge money for Louis C.K. No. I got threats of violence. I had my wife was worried about security for the house. I got hundreds of horrible emails of hate

that didn't actually threaten violence. And it was like a very, very, very tremendous... And this was all done, but the irony here is what reminds me of you guys. The people who are doing this, I'm telling you the truth. They were doing it because they thought they were good. In other words, I was the bad guy they identified. I would never say something

hateful thinking that I'm good, though. And the good people... And I don't think that we've done that today. And the good people... I'll answer. And the good people, And I don't think that we've done that today. And the good people. I'll answer. And the good people have responded by attacking me in a way that scares my wife and scares me for our safety. And the reason I do associate you with that is because if you understood what I was saying, all that we'd be talking now is how fucked up is what happens to these kids and their families. And by the way, one kid was doxxed by mistake that wasn't even part of the family and he had to defend

himself. I guess, my problem is you keep assuming that it's people on the left that are doing this when it's people on the right that are doing all of the things that you're saying. And my proof of what I'm saying is true is that before what came out about these kids, when the people on the left were tweeting all these horrible things, nobody on the left was

complaining about it. It was fine to do this to a 16-year-old kid if he had actually smirked. I don't think it's fine. I'm just saying I thought he was disrespectful. I don't support doxing. 95% of everything that came out of your mouth was trying some way to

put down these kids in one way or another. Or their school, or what they believe in, or their politics, or the MAGA hat. That's not the issue. The issue is much more horrible. This kid is symptomatic and a symbol of a much bigger issue. The Twitter mob canceling people.

But the Twitter mob happens in both directions. That's what I'm saying. Maybe you're right. Give me examples of the other direction. If you want to talk about comedy, this is a very tiny example. Just something that happened to a friend of mine who was writing for galas for Just for Laughs. He lost his job. It's not even as anybody you would know.

For the Me Too thing? No. He wrote a tweet when Trump was putting kids in cages. And it wasn't funny. And it was, you know, whatever. It was just he was anti-Trump, anti-kids being put in cages. And he was singling out like one of Trump's grandkids or something like that. He has no followers.

Nobody saw. But people on the right are looking for this shit. And one of them. And they got him fired. And they got James Woods, who that's what they do, to Google this. Look, anyone would say. Then James Woods retweets it. Then it goes viral.

They find out where he works and just for a last fired him. Like that. I am against that. That's just a guy I know that nobody would even know in the media or whatever, who has no followers who this happened to because there's a program on the right to do this as well. So I think what we should maybe be talking about...

Since we're jumping topics so much, do y'all believe in cancel culture? No, I just... I don't even know what that is. The idea of like an artist does something bad in their personal life, so now you have to cancel their art. They're no longer allowed to have the art. I don't think we should worship that.

They're an awful person. Go deeper than that. People are not artists. They cancel anything. Keith has dying to say something. Go ahead, Keith. In the mic. In the mic.

Keith. I'm just hearing a lot of different things, but I think it's wrong when somebody said left or right, because the left is bad, and the right is horrible, too. People are bad. That's what I'm saying. Right is right, and wrong is wrong. It's just you're coming at me from one direction,

and I'm saying the problem is doxing in general. The problem is mob mentality in general. And it's not like you're saying these people are good, and they're actually terrible, and it's not like you're saying it doesn't surprise me that there's examples on the right they're actually terrible and it's not that however if you ask most comedians if they're worried

about saying the wrong thing on stage they are not worried about the right coming after them they're not worried about being cancelled by the right

is there a point to say something offensive like why don't you just fucking write properly you know there you go there you go I rest my case

I rest my case. I rest my case. That's your team. This is where I step in right now. I rest my case. I think if you say something offensive, you know. You're going to say something offensive.

Apparently, I offend the rights all the time on stage, too. So I don't I'm not there with you You couldn't have made my case for me better You validated everything I said for the entire hour and a half I remember the nasty show Just for Laughs how racist

Against Muslims Bobby Slayton was Openly and that was acceptable That shit he wouldn't get away with it today And that makes me really happy because he made me Feel like shit and nobody wanted to get away with it today and that makes me really happy because he made me feel like shit. And nobody wanted to watch him because it was so mean and hateful. And not funny. I actually don't like

I'm actually to the left a lot of the comedians I actually do get offended by some of these things that other comedians think are fine. Including Louis Parkland joke. I actually didn't like it. But I never have thought that any of these people didn't have the right to say it, ever. I didn't say don't have the

right. You have the right, but I was... But you think that we should write, quote unquote, better for boy offending people? Because you have a fan base. Everybody has a fan base that follows their comedy. Speak for your goddamn self.

We have to wrap it up. No, but I will just say that, again, we've offended people. If we go to a conservative area and we talk about being a Muslim and a Jewish lesbian couple, it doesn't go well either. Those people will shut down.

That's a different type of offense. Is it? No, that is. But I'm just saying it's also like people talk about, oh, it's so hard to perform for liberal audiences. Try being a liberal person going into a red state. You know saying it's also like people talk about like it's always so hard to perform for liberal audiences. Try being a liberal person going into a red state. You know, it is also.

I disagree with that. No, excuse me. It happened to me when Trump got elected at a comedy club here in New York City where I went on stage and I said I was Muslim and I make fun of all religions, especially the Muslim one. And two Trump supporters yelled out Muslims are terrorists. Fuck you, bitch. This whole thing. They had to get kicked out, removed especially the Muslim one. And two Trump supporters yelled out, Muslims are terrorists, fuck you, bitch, this whole thing. They had to get kicked out, removed from the comedy club in fucking New York City. Let me explain the difference to you.

A liberal will write you a letter afterwards? You're absolutely correct. You know what the difference is between a conservative racist person or whatever in the crowd yelling something out when you say something to offend them? No, no, no. It's that moment. It's that moment and it passes. It's literally like the difference between white privilege

and fucking black people. It's like there's a much bigger impact when a liberal's in the crowd because they will take that to Twitter. They will take that to the news outlets. They will try to ruin you. A conservative is more likely to get mad in the moment and be like, fuck this joke and walk out. Cool, great.

I don't care if you're mad at me in the moment. Don't ruin my career. I don't think anybody's ruining anybody's career. Oh, that's not and walk out. Cool. Great. I don't care if you're mad at me in the moment. Don't ruin my career. I don't think anybody's ruining anybody's... Oh, that's not true. People ruin careers like a writer. Whose career that's not a sexual abuser? For instance, Kevin Williamson got fired for The Atlantic because they uncovered an old article

that he'd written that was pro-life. They fired him. People were mad at Chris Rock because he didn't punch Louis in the face for saying that. Edward, what was he supposed to do? Not punch him in the face. Never violence. Never resort to violence. But wasn't John Lasseter fired from a gig in Atlantic City because he made jokes about Trump?

And what's his name? The CNN guy. I thought what happened to Lasseter was horrible. But I think he was... Let's not get into that. I agree with you guys. I don't think that... Nobody should get fired.

Nobody tried to end Laster's... So it's kind of his point, yeah. Laster may have gone in front of an audience. They warned him, this is not the audience for that. He did it anyway. They let him go. I think it's fucked up they let him go.

But then Laster continues to work everywhere. Right. So I'm not on board. I guess I'm saying I'm with you guys in that I don't agree with cancel culture. I think I may stop listening to someone because I don't find them funny or I don't want to support it. But people can do whatever they want and people can find audiences anywhere. And I don't think there should be restrictions on what people say. I think cancel culture is the biggest threat to our livelihoods that there's ever been in my lifetime.

I've never seen. I've never been scared. Everything you work for can go away in a snap. Like, it's crazy. That's insane. If God forbid, if God forbid these kids had actually done what it is that they were accused, first accused of doing, their whole fucking lives were going to be ruined.

What were they accused of doing? They're not. Kavanaugh got in. It was accused of mocking a Native American. What they were accused of doing. His life is not Kavanaugh got in. It was accused of mocking a Native American. What they were accused of doing. His life is not ruined. The way the story was initially. When you're white, you're fine. You see, you have no sympathy.

I'm telling you this. You have no empathy. The way the story. But you're saying his life is ruined. And that's not true. We just saw the example with Kavanaugh. And his life is not ruined. Ruined is a turn of the green.

Meaning that. So you're going to get a nasty look on the street. You can't handle it. Like, get a life. You know what? You know what? I wouldn't wish this on you. But you can't handle it, like, get a life. You know what? You know what? I wouldn't wish this on you, but you don't know

what that's like. You don't know what it's like to be, like, I went to a kid's birthday party, and the parents were wishing, my child overheard.

Those are horrible kid's birthday parties. My child overheard parents talking about me because of the Louis thing. I was like, Daddy, what's up with that? I mean, it's like,

it's, it's, you think, get a life. You can say, get a life. No, it's nothing. It's not nothing. It's not nothing. Well, it hurts your feelings, Daddy, what's up with that? I mean, it's like, you think, get a life. You can say, get a life. No, it's nothing. It's not nothing. It's not nothing. What hurts your feelings? Who wants to live that way

where you're literally worried about somebody knowing who you are because you don't know what they're going to do when they say to your kids. That's your principle. This is your club.

You wanted to have Louis here. But once again, there's so much imbalance and there's just so much hypocrisy because for you to say like, okay, well, your feelings are hurt. Big whoop, right? I didn't say big whoop, but like, you know.

But that's the same thing we could say to people who are offended in the crowd. Oh, you're uncomfortable? Your feelings are hurt? I'm not telling you to get fired for saying something offensive. But if they want to write a letter complaining about what you're saying, that should be fine. Some of cancel culture. And cancel culture is real. But that letter leads to some shit. That letter can mess people's careers up.

Didn't they write Karma Chameleon? Or that was Culture Club. We have to wind it up. You guys should come on again. I know. Honestly, once a month. Have you had fun? Right? Can we come once a month? Well, I don't know about once a month, but you can definitely come again. You can definitely come again soon. But before you come

on again, we should try to figure out what we're going to talk about and we need to send each other source material prior. I had no idea what I was talking about. I said let's exchange emails and send each other stuff. I thought we were going to talk about like, you know, frolicking lesbians. By the way, we're pro-Israel.

That's how it started. Next time we'll talk about lesbian culture. I wanted to warn you that things might get... Well, they probably weren't that lesbian. Well, one turned out to be, in the long run, less lesbian than the other, but I could tell by the wetness. I was like, oh, this one's kind of straight.

Wetness doesn't lie. Yeah, wetness doesn't lie. And that is my mantra. I had wetness... Does dryness lie? That's all I'm concerned about. If dryness lies, I'm okay. At a certain age, I guess. Nobody's going to let me get my point in.

No, please, go ahead. I had wetness fairly recently in a commercial exchange, a commercial sexual exchange. I don't know if that's... In Vegas? No, it wasn't in Vegas. It was in my apartment with a young lady I met on Twitter,

or Tinder, rather, that was seeking extra spending money. Anyhow. Now, listen, you know, speaking of cancel culture, I'm going to cut out something that was said, done here on the podcast. Yeah.

Perrielle, when Dan... When Dan attempted to sing the Native American song, we need to cut that out. Instead of cutting it out, how about you condemn it in no uncertain terms? My point was this. Let me tell you why I'm cutting it out. Why? Because I think it's fine. It's funny.

We all grew up watching F Troop. We all know what he was referring to and what he was saying, whatever it is. But somebody could take that snippet out and wait until Dan has a lead in a sitcom. And then you could put it out there. And they will end him with that snippet. I recorded it on my phone.

That goes back to my point. That's why it needs to be cut out. But that goes back to my point. Think about that moment. Everything Dan worked for, gone. Over that. Gone. That's not right. That's why it needs to be cut out. But that goes back to my point. Think about that moment. Everything Dan worked for, gone. Over that. Gone.

That's not right. It's crazy. I really do want to ask this. I guess we have to also edit out this part as well because we're referring to that. No, no. They're just talking about it.

It's fine. But if they haven't... I just want to ask a question. This is a sincere question. Who's been... I'm just wondering, truly, who's been really canceled?

This guy at the Atlantic. No, he's actually, to be fair, he wasn't canceled. Okay, wait, here's a question. Okay, well, I mean, aside from sexual abusers, I don't know who else has been canceled. And the guy from CNN that got canceled for being pro-Palestinian. But here's the thing, though, is, so do you think those people who got canceled, that was the right move for them to get canceled? Sexual abusers, yes. Here's my thing, right?

Yes. I'm going to try to word this properly. If y'all don't think I worded it properly, please delete it. I personally think no matter what a person does in their personal life, just on a numbers basis, they can't impact as many people as they impact positively with their art, right? So if you look at, like, Louis, he inspired generations of people, also had millions of fans, right? So no matter how many, like, Louis, he inspired generations of people, also had millions of fans, right?

So no matter how many people he might have did that fucked up shit to, just on a numbers basis, his impact is larger through his art. So you can't believe his art. Hitler was a good painter, too, you know. Yeah, I get it. But the paint didn't impact people.

You know what I mean? It never, yeah, I get what you mean. And he wasn't really that good a painter. But the art has more impact than their personal life, in my opinion. Can I make your

point in a different way? I want to make his point in a different way. So let's take somebody who did. Should I never watch

a Cosby special ever again? As a comedian, I should never watch a Cosby special ever again. Do whatever you want. But I mean,

should people not watch Cosby special? He's in jail. We win. He's gone. Now let me watch his special. I'm not getting punished not watch Cosby's special? He's in jail. We win. He's going. Now let me watch his special. I'm not getting punished for his actions. Eagle, if it's not ruined for you, enjoy.

It depends on what your threshold is. Exit question. Okay, that's fair. I can do that. That's fair. Exit question, meaning we're about to wrap up. If a man was accused of six times masturbating on the subway in front of strangers, and you were a judge, what's the most you would sentence him to?

A harsh judge. I don't know what the minimums are for public display. Are we comparing a homeless guy on the subway with mental issues? Not a homeless guy, no mental issues. To a powerful guy? Okay, just answer the question. What do you... It depends if the guy has mental health issues.

No, no mental health issues. He's a regular guy. He's a pervert. Just a regular guy who's a pervert. I don't know. It's probably a fine or a short term. A fine, a week in jail, a month in jail. Probably, something like that, yeah.

Okay, that's fine. Let's say a month in jail. That's probably what the law says. Now let's talk about Louie. Now let's talk about what you think is fair for Louie. He shouldn't work. He shouldn't be able to make movies. $35 million. His children should get called out on the street. He shouldn't get called out

on the street. His kids have nothing to do with that. But that's what happens to his kids. I guess the thing with Louis is that it's a different scenario because he was in a position of power. What position of power was he? He wasn't famous at the time. I tell people that same one.

Can we delete this whole part, by the way? But I tell people that same thing. He was not famous at the time. We work with comics who are on his level. He was probably a headliner, you know, able to take these girls on to open for him. Part of it's a bit, you know, as all work is work for a female comic

or for a young comedian to begin with. So let's say he's in a position of power. It's a position of power. Let's say he's in a position of power. It's different in a work context. How much would this, okay, how much would the jail sentence be in a work context? Well, I think...

If I masturbated in front of Perrielle, how much, what should my sentence be? It probably... Six months in jail? Maybe. But I think the more important question and I think the issue

that people in common... Nobody's going to put me in six months in jail. Well, probably not. Whatever it is. Or a fine or whatever. But the point is is that that person

is not someone that you want to return to your workplace. What am I supposed to do? So she gets a welfare check? She's got to work. People have to work. Well, why are you abusing your power and masturbating

in front of people to begin with? You know you shouldn't be held accountable for taking advantage of that. What I'm trying to point out to you is that there should be some relationship between what you believe the state ought to rightfully punish somebody for doing and what

you think the court of public opinion ought to be meeting out in terms of what it does to people. I never, since this is all off record, I'm hoping. It's not off record. It's not off record. You want to say anything off record? You get off the mic. You're on the mic.

You're on the record. I never understood how people were mad about the timing of the return. Meanwhile, you weren't the ones that banished him. He decided to leave. So when he decided to come back I'm confused on how people are like it's too soon it's like you didn't set the time yourself no one gave him a time

to leave no one said leave why can't he just say I'm sorry to me and just acknowledge it I gotta accuse you guys of please don't hold me to what she's saying that's fine but I gotta accuse you guys of having very strong opinions and not quite the strong will to know all the facts because Louis

not only did he issue a public apology, he issued individual apologies to each of the women and this was all covered in the New York Times story. I asked a question. Can I ask a question? Yes, you can. I'm sorry. Okay, we've got to go. I don't want to go. Finish what you wanted to say.

Last word. The thing that bothers me with Louis is the women's careers who he destroyed. How do you know that? I mean, that was what was reported. No, I didn't read that anywhere. I've heard people say it. I'm not saying it's not true. No, okay. But anyway.

It doesn't say that in the New York Times story. No, but this is what we... This is what the women have said. But you don't believe them. The only story that's been reported was his apology. It is his mission. The only reporter that spoke to the women was Melina Rizek in a New York Times. And she did not

say that their careers were ruined because of this. You can go back and read the story. And as a matter of fact, I'll tell you a story about her. You'll like this. So the original rumor about Louis was in Gawker.com

was that he had Dana and Julia in his hotel room and that he blocked the door or locked the door and wouldn't let them leave. Do you remember that? That was, which is pretty serious. And I asked Melina,

did you ask them if Louis blocked the door? Because that was the story that everybody heard. That was actually reported. And she said, yeah, I asked them. I said, did he block the door? She said, no, he didn't. I said, why didn't you write that in the Times story? She goes, I didn't think it was relevant.

I said, so you only thought it was relevant if he did block the door. You asked the question, but if you got the answer that you didn't want, it wasn't relevant. That's why you have to be wary about this stuff. That's on our podcast that happened. My personal issue is that I wouldn't, if I was the example that people give, if there was a doctor that was caught and admitted to masturbating forcibly

in front of people that were working with him, he wouldn't be invited back to that office. But this is what I'm trying to bring up, that in a court of law, you would wouldn't be invited back to that office. But this is what I'm trying to bring up. In a court of law, you would have to be able to prove these things. So a doctor would lose his license in a court of law. Hold on. In a court of law, you have to prove.

But I'm not talking about a court of law. If you interfere with somebody's career, that's actionable, actually. You could sue for a million dollars for that. What I'm saying is that in what we need as a society now to end somebody's career, we just need somebody to accuse it.

We just need to read it third person. But we can perform anywhere he wants. No, she's saying, look, he ruined somebody's career, so he deserves it. We don't know what he did or didn't do. She's giving you an example of a doctor. Well, no, I'm saying these are the things that are things that bother me about the Louis story in addition to the masturbation.

But what bothers me more is that we need institutions. People should not be losing their careers without a procedure. Louis can perform. I'm just saying maybe people's issue is him performing in a place of work like this place where other women are also working. Should he be able to perform without me being threatened,

without my kids being threatened? You shouldn't be threatened. I've said from the beginning, I'm not on board with any of that. You know what will stop that? If people like you, I mean, we're more outraged

by this kid getting falsely accused. It's all part and parcel of the same thing. Let's take the name Louis out of it. Let's take the name, let's take the actual name Louis out of it. Let's say there's this

person A, person B. We gotta end. There's just a person, right? And he does that in front of women. So the answer is let's separate him from women? That's not going to cause any chance for growth.

I didn't say that. We can continue to talk. We've got to end. Good night, everybody. That was a very abrupt ending. We have to. Why do we have to? On the podcast, we can go as long as we want.

Is this live? I just want to say that I'm impressed by Noam's stamina. That's a fucking hour and a half of nonstop ranting like a lunatic. And that ain't easy. She won't I buy impressed by Noam's stamina. That's a fucking hour and a half of non-stop ranting like a lunatic. And that ain't easy. She won right by me. No, I win. And I would also wish... I'm very anxious about everything that was said.

I would also thank our dear friend Eagle Witt, who has come to replace me here at the Comedy Cellar. And hoping for a quick resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, I am not optimistic. Thank you.